Range Rover P38 - Air Suspension vs Coil Suspension

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  • Hi guys, quick walk around of p38 air suspension and my opinions on what is better! Hope you enjoy the video - see you on our next episode!
    All 4x4
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  • @rangeroverkid
    @rangeroverkid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I too am interested in this kit. Thank you for a great video

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi
      Thank you for your nice comment👍
      I will let you know when I have more info.
      Regards
      Martin

  • @keefiboy
    @keefiboy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Martin- another great video. As a P38 on air owner i'd definitely be interested in a kit should they become available. Keep up the good work and i'm looking forward to the next video.

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi
      Thank you for your kind words👍
      I am waiting to see how much interest is created, then will remove mine and get quotes to duplicate. Have a few more videos coming up, a 4inch stainless steel snorkel and raptor coating fore the rangey!
      Regards
      Martin

  • @wesleyconn620
    @wesleyconn620 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    at last someone with sense i love the air suspension and would take it over any spring great to see

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Wesley
      Thank you for your message, yes air is great so many advantages👍
      Regards
      Martin

  • @kaibintech
    @kaibintech 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video!

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Steven
      Thank you for your comment👍
      Hopefully doing a part two very soon!
      Regards
      Martin

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Steven
      Just been looking at your channel, and was wondering if you could supply air bags that are 2inch higher than standard.
      I realise that sensors and bump stops would need to be modified like the ones I have currently modified.
      I have several people globally waiting for a solution to a lift kit!
      Regards
      Martin

  • @Keithy_W
    @Keithy_W 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    G’day Martin, I love the vid mate! It shows how you’ve done the 2” lift great! I really like the tyres you’re running too 😀
    The spacers you have on the rear are from “Hard Range” in Australia, sadly they’re no longer in business. Originally run by Paul (great bloke) and then bought by other P38 enthusiasts.
    I love how you’ve done the Front spring spacers for your lift. It’s common to see air leaks on the front springs due to rubbing when lifted from below (as I’ve done, although I’ve not experienced the issue) rather than above (as you’ve done).
    It’d be good to see you knock up spacer kits over there, I’m sure the market there would be much bigger than over here in Australia.
    My recovery is coming along well, can’t wait until I can head out 4wding again!
    Cheers
    Keithy

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Keithy
      Thank you for your nice comments appreciated👍👍😀

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Will keep you posted with the demand, great to see last video looking good 👍

  • @loizoug
    @loizoug 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another nice and interesting vid mate. I am an air bag lover as well and i really dont wanna convert to springs but still i would like some inches lifting. Interested for the kit in Cyprus 🇨🇾🇨🇾😎

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hi
      Thank you for your comment👍
      Will keep you informed!
      Regards
      Martin

  • @enricopasetti6684
    @enricopasetti6684 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting kit. My truck is a 1996 one and still run on airbags, thank you for let me know about Arnott bags, which are going to be installed soon after being delivered.
    Interested to your kit, count me too.

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Enrico
      That’s great news they are excellent air bags.
      Will let you know soon as available!
      Regards
      Martin

    • @enricopasetti6684
      @enricopasetti6684 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@all4x451 copy that!
      I'm in.

  • @dennisschwinn3704
    @dennisschwinn3704 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video is the air bag lift available again ? I would love the lift my 95 p38 2in thanks

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi
      Thank you for the message👍
      Sorry not yet but will keep you updated!
      Regards
      Martin

  • @gordonwedman3179
    @gordonwedman3179 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    On my 99 P38 I used the free version of EAS Unlock to reprogram the offload height to give me something like 4 inches of lift. In that setting I have 16 inches of clearance under the frame rails.

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Gordon
      Thank you for your message!
      Yes that’s an option but be careful as air springs may rip as only have a certain amount of travel before failing.
      Have been talking to a manufacturer about increasing the travel but is very slow😂😂
      Good luck with things👍
      Regards
      Martin

    • @gordonwedman3179
      @gordonwedman3179 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@all4x451
      As a matter of fact I destroyed an Arnott air spring on an offroad trail in Colorado this summer. The lower locating pin on my left rear bag sheared off, the bag folded over and ripped. Ended up driving 137 miles on the bump stops including quite a few miles of offroad. Was able to replace the bag and continue my trip. Some mechanical lift would take some strain off the bags.

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh dear not pleasant on the bump stops😬
      Still trying to get a company to replicate my kit for correct money without jeopardising quality, may have a solution soon and will do video on manufacturing and supply😀👍

    • @gordonwedman3179
      @gordonwedman3179 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@all4x451
      That's an understatement. If I didn't have my seat belt fastened my head would be hitting the roof top. OK on pavement but brutle offroad. Would probably buy a kit if not too expensive.

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  ปีที่แล้ว

      😂
      Hopefully soon can organise lift kit and price🤞🏻
      There are many that have shown interest 😀👍

  • @carlchilders6069
    @carlchilders6069 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a 2" lift on my 2001 HSE 4.6L P38...same color. When I bought mine it already had coils so im not changing them out at this point. Question: where did you get the front grill? I like the one you have although i just ordered a replacement for my cracked one. thanks!

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Carl
      Thank you for your message!
      The grill is a standard Range Rover sport grill, the difference is that holes have been drilled in it😀👍
      Will do a close up in next video👍

    • @burgerdentone16
      @burgerdentone16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@all4x451 I admire your P38 and your expeditions👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
      Did you do the close up of the front grill?
      Cheers from Punta del Este

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@burgerdentone16 Hi
      Yes will do a walk around soon, the front grill is of a Range Rover sport but with holes drilled in it!
      Cheers
      Martin

  • @MrColinmwood
    @MrColinmwood 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’ve been looking for extended bump stops for my P 38 on air Anybody know how to wear to get some could drop a link

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi
      Thank you for your message!
      I am currently looking for a company to copy my 2 inch lift kit from Australia!
      Although only the front has extended bump stops due to design!
      Once I have arranged copy will let you know!
      Regards
      Martin

    • @lampiaoo
      @lampiaoo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same here. I would love to get a set of extended bump stops as well

  • @JLTiro
    @JLTiro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Martin, I currently have springs on a 2002 P38. I would like to converted back to Air. What Air bottles do you recommend? I live in New York. Thanks

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi
      Thank you for your message!
      There is a company called Arnott that make better re-enforced air bags air bags, they are idea for off road as standard air bags tend to rip under articulation these are what I use on my P38. Check out the link below and thanks again for the question, if I can help any further just let me know👍
      Regards
      Martin

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry
      Hear is the link
      www.arnotteurope.com/

    • @BOOMSTICK-PRODUCTIONS
      @BOOMSTICK-PRODUCTIONS 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      🗽

  • @alhamedi66
    @alhamedi66 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing work thank you for sharing your experience with us,
    Air suspension p38 when normal its headache for all now after lift up what will happen. I plan to convert my car to coil spring no more headache.

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi
      Thank you for message 👍
      Yes a lot of people are changing to coil springs, my P38 was not great when I bought it! I rebuilt eas block and checked and changed faulty height sensors, all been good since for a few years now.
      The main problem that I can see is the hight sensors, as if one is faulty the system will work but not great!
      Regards
      Martin

    • @alhamedi66
      @alhamedi66 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@all4x451 Thank you Martin for your quick reply and interest and patience. I tray to calibration by RSW EAS unlock suite with new air pump I spent hours but still not correct hight until I damaged the new pump. Same doubt in hight sensors faulty. You change the orginal or aftermarket sensors any help.
      Again I need new pump with sensors.
      Best regards,

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi
      I was lucky to find nearly new original parts, my next purchase would be from Arnott they also make very good air bags at reasonable prices!
      Regards
      Martin

  • @harryjones94
    @harryjones94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Martin - am interested in a kit - I have had Arnott Gen 111 bags on mine for a few years now and no problems at all - agree air bags are best.

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Harry
      Thank you for message👍
      The Arnott Gen 3 are the best as they have a little further travel than OEM!
      Will keep you posted ref the lift kit👍

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Harry
      Will let you know how I get on with lift kit, maybe a few weeks👍
      Regards
      Martin

  • @wesleyconn620
    @wesleyconn620 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love the Airl supension in my p38 and i do not care for coil springs. i would put them on my defender if i knew how to maker it work properly

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Wesley
      Yes the air suspension is the P38 secret making it very capable off road, lots of 4x4s now getting air assist fitted👍
      Regards
      Martin

  • @73Ox
    @73Ox 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's the use of a 2" lift when you extend the bump stops with 2"? Isn't the whole idea you have more flex? The P38 has plenty of ground clearance, chassis wise, so that can't be it. Genuine question, not to bash you. What you say about equal pressure with the axles flexed as in the video is partly right. not while driving, it only gets the same pressure when the EAS has enough time to adjust.

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi
      Thank you for comment.
      Is always good to air views😂😂
      The 2 inch lift is also for the fitment of larger tyres, and increasing wading depth.
      The larger bump stops have to be fitted or the flex will be too much for the air springs, and will damaged them as they have only so much travel!
      Regarding the air pressures, once the wheel sensor detects a wheel drop the designated valve opens to allow more pressure, combined with pressure switches rapid opening and closing of said valves occur. Granted the faster you travel the harder to control👍
      Regards
      Martin

  • @paulgiddy5631
    @paulgiddy5631 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hoorah! Not a wheeler but often at near to 6 tons with a 21' trailer and another P38 on the back. Wouldn't entertain the thought on springs. P38Addicts.

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Paul
      Absolutely more to air than people are aware👍
      Thanks for the comment.
      Cheers
      Martin

  • @BonganiMagadu
    @BonganiMagadu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is it easy swapping air for coil suspension?
    Thanks

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Sorry for late reply!
      You can get kits I believe, will not be difficult as air springs come out easy. Problem will be having the warning lights on dash and disabling EAS!

    • @BonganiMagadu
      @BonganiMagadu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@all4x451 Thanks for reply sir
      Do I need a programming tool for springs after

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not sure as not removed an EAS system, only what I have heard about!
      Also heard that people that use P38 for adventure touring usually go back to air😀

    • @BonganiMagadu
      @BonganiMagadu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@all4x451 Awesome. I want a P38 as my weekend ride and will very rarely be used off-road. I'm considering buying one here in South Africa though it needs a gearbox and cosmetic repairs

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BonganiMagadu you will not be disappointed with the P38 it’s a great off roader and tourer, keep me posted what you think!
      If I can help with anything let me know😀

  • @sterrepracht3052
    @sterrepracht3052 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Martin ,I'm also intrested in a kit .

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi
      Thank you for letting me know, have had a few people interested. Will keep you posted of any further developments!
      Regards
      Martin

  • @simongoodfellow2766
    @simongoodfellow2766 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would be interested in this kit

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Simon
      Thank you for your message, will keep you posted!
      Cheers
      Martin

    • @simongoodfellow2766
      @simongoodfellow2766 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Have you fitted diff guards on yours

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Simon
      No not yet looking for the right one, have see some nice ones in America that I am tempted with though!

    • @simongoodfellow2766
      @simongoodfellow2766 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I'm looking as well can't seem to see any

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Currently lowering diff ratio to 4.12 as have just but larger Toyo tyres on LT305 70 R16😀

  • @stephenbrown9998
    @stephenbrown9998 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Still the same weight per corner

  • @BOOMSTICK-PRODUCTIONS
    @BOOMSTICK-PRODUCTIONS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I obtained my Pegasus with coils. Everyone thinks I’m nuts for wanting to convert back to air. 🥴 🥜

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi
      Thank you for your message.
      There are a lot of people and manufacturers now seeing the real benefits of air springs, I personally think that many will start choosing air over coil springs in very near future!
      Regards
      Martin

    • @73Ox
      @73Ox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Air is way more comfortable!! Do use the right shocks, Boge or Sachs.

    • @Renizuko
      @Renizuko 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I do over 1k miles a month in mine with coil springs fitted. It was already converted when I bought it.
      I rarely go off-road and for what I do with it, it’s fine.
      I get why people prefer bags for off roading and comfort but I like the maintenance free aspect of coils. Drives just fine running standard 18s with ax7s.
      I drive many p38s at work with bags and coils alike, I prefer coils.
      I read a lot of passionate comments on forums over this topic, there is no need for it. Your vehicle, do what suits you.

  • @adsaccuracy
    @adsaccuracy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    On our pheasant shoot the only vehicles that we have to tow out is defenders and range rovers. they are really not meant to be off road. period.

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi
      Thank you for sharing your opinion!

  • @dcoop1422
    @dcoop1422 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Drop to access when parking in public, so thieves with cordless grinders will look elsewhere for new Cats.

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi
      Another great advantage to air suspension, thank you for the tip👍
      Cheers
      Martin

  • @namibgtv6
    @namibgtv6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    P38 was never designed to be on coil suspension. The EAS is what sets the P38 apart from other shite SUV’s like Land Cruisers and Patrols etc..

    • @all4x451
      @all4x451  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi
      Very true! Large company’s now see advantages of air and are putting air springs in coil springs😀👍
      Regards
      Martin

    • @oumaniac
      @oumaniac ปีที่แล้ว

      You're showing your ignorance when you call Landcruisers shite.

    • @namibgtv6
      @namibgtv6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@oumaniac, the ONLY thing a Land Cruiser, or most Toyotas have going for them is the claimed reliability.. There is much more to a good car than just reliability. They lack style, they lack comfort, compared to any Range Rover. They really are nothing to look at, and, if you buy one new, 6 months later there will be a new facelifted one on the showroom floor, making your brand new Cruiser look dated. Every generation of Range Rover had around a 10 year run without notable changes, and even a 10 year old Range Rover still looks as modern as the current one. A 2 year old Land Cruiser on the other hand looks dated, as theres a new updated version every second day. And that goes for all Japanese marques… They just can’t seem to decide what they wan’t their cars to look like, or who to copy.. Look at Lexus throughout the 90’s and 2000’s, their sedans were shameless copies of Mercedes E/S classes, just somehow hideous, and ungainly.. And keep in mind that the Range Rover is the original SUV, the big daddy. Toyota was still busy trying to figure out how best to copy a Willys Jeep when the first Rangie rolled out…