"He was praised among all ninja as the greatest in god-like speed". Now that's a sentence i'll never get tired of hearing and it seems you will never get tired of saying it my friend.
@@Virhtue Itachi has many different things in his arsenal that can instantly kill minato unlike minato’s arsenal. Starting with Amaterasu, tsukuyomi, kotoamatsukami, IZANAGI, susanoo, totsuka blade, Crow Clone Technique, Body Flicker, Tactical Genius, etc. Itachi doesn’t even have to look at you to put you in a genjutsu “explanation ahead”. Comparing both by the time of their deaths because comparing edo tenseis is irrelevant because both are immortals. 1. FTG mark: Being marked by minato ftg and lose is the greatest joke i have heard. 15 year old killer bee was marked by minato and still end up in a tie with him, during the war minato also marked the kunai under madara’s feet which is basically marking him because madara wasn’t aware, minato tried a sneaky attack and lost an arm because of that. if the oponnent you marked is at same speed or faster than you then its irrelevant to mark him. If 15 year old killer bee wasn’t defeat by it, why would adult itachi? The only relevant opponent minato marked and defeated was 13 year old kid Obito and adult Obito that was being held by black zetsu. That’s it, if marking with ftg means victory he would hit killer bee and madara. Ftg mark ain’t doing shit even because susanoo can instally appear. “Remember Kirin which travels at speed of light?” Do y think minato ftg + rosengan hand gesture are speed of light? Definitely NOT. itachi can also use 15 kunais at once to counter any ftg kunai coming towards him, itachi way better in the kunai game. “As shown many times”. by the way I think ftg is ass because using something else to teleport only delay the whole teleportation process. Itachi Crow Clone Technique negates FTG that is his signature clone technique, where his body disperses into a flock of crows that confuse the enemy. 2. NAGATO/ killer bee/ Naruto: Itachi fought and saved Killer bee and kmc1 Naruto which was canonically already faster than minato and also itachi defeated NAGATO which is stronger than both Naruto/killer bee which canonically Naruto already stronger than minato. it’s pretty simple here, itachi fought killer bee which minato wasn’t able to defeat even when he was only 15 year old, itachi also fought equal level with Naruto kmc1 which was faster/stronger than minato canonically. itachi is relative in speed with adult killer bee and kmc1 Naruto which canonically was said to be faster than minato. So no ftg success there. 3. AMATERASU: Amaterasu can literally burn all those ftg kunais or rock or floor or whatever he marks. Minato will not be the target of Amaterasu but the things he use to teleport. Amaterasu just need to target the things he uses to teleport which are either stoped or not fast enough ones meaning easy target. Kunais are like 5 inches, the whole uchiha hideout area itachi burned with Amaterasu is like a few hundred thousand sqft and he burned all that area when he was spamming Amaterasu for over an hour so I don’t see why itachi can’t burn a few 5 inch kunai with absolutely no effort. Again remember the size of uchiha hideout. 4. SUSANOO: susanoo and kyuubi are at the same brutal power level and guess who killed minato? Wasn’t it kyuubi? Susanoo is fast enough to react to Kirin speed of light so he can definitely react to a ftg + rosengan hand gesture. 5. GENJUTSU: I don’t see why minato wouldn’t get caught in a genjutsu, just because Obito and madara canonically never tried genjutsu on their main opponents doesn’t mean itachi wouldn’t. Itachi is literally the dude that uses the most genjutsu. itachi genjutsus are 4: kotoamatsukami, tsukuyomi, IZANAGI, and regular genjutsu. Itachi has 4 ways to put minato in genjutsu: 1/ by crows flying everywhere like he did to Naruto filing the whole field of fight with genjutsu crows, 2/ finger genjutsu like he did to kakashi, 3/ looking in the eye genjutsu and 4/ kunai reflection as show before. Do y really think minato can escape all these ways of itachi genjutsu? Itachi the master of genjutsu? Think again buddy because the series showed you don’t need to look at itachi to get caught on his genjutsu just ask kakashi and Naruto. I hope minato is not bold enough to try to fight itachi with closed eyes because itachi will obliterate him. Explaining more: 1.Finger Genjutsu: Itachi can cast genjutsu by simply pointing at a target, bypassing the need for direct eye contact. 2.Crow Genjutsu: He frequently uses crows in his techniques, allowing him to create illusions involving flocks of crows. 3. IZANAGI: izanagi dont need anything to activate and he can activate it in case he get killed, and then counter attack the attack that killed him at the right time so he can kill his opponent. Lose an eye for a definitive victory. Izanagi can also be activated before the fight even start like madara did and you can also include conditions. You can actually shape reality to your own like with this ability. OHER ITACHI ABILITIES: 1. Crow Clone Technique: Itachi's signature clone technique, where his body disperses into a flock of crows that confuse the enemy. Negate FTG. 2. Body Flicker Technique (Shunshin no Jutsu): Itachi can move at extreme speeds, appearing to teleport short distances. 3. Tactical Genius: Itachi is renowned for his incredible intelligence, strategic mind, and ability to anticipate and counter his opponents' moves with precision. itachi is always 5 steps ahead of everyone. CONIDERATIONS: People like to bring up reaper death seal which is the only thing minato have that will actually work here but so would totsuka blade. Both are top level sealing jutsus and as soon as minato uses it itachi will also use totsuka blade and both will seal each other at the same time. Also people like to mention that Raikage dodged Amaterasu and minato is faster than Raikage. First of all minato body speed is not faster than Raikage body lightening speed. There is a difference between speed and teleportation. When Raikage fought minato, minato was teleporting everywhere. That’s is not speed that’s teleportation. Body lightening enhancement speed is a better counter to Amaterasu than FTG teleportation because FTG uses kunai to teleport delaying the whole teleportation process and Amaterasu is going to target the kunai instead of minato himself. Resuming, raikage speed can’t hit minato teleportation, but raikage speed can dodge Amaterasu, but minato can’t dodge Amaterasu because minato himself will not be the target of Amaterasu but the kunais he uses to teleport. Those kunai need to be thrown and they gonna burn before reaching itachi and thats for sure.
Minato finding out Obito’s kamui weakness in just a few seconds is certainly one of the most impressive feats that I have never seen in the manga. Remember that it took a lot of time for Kakashi, Gai, Naruto and Konan to find a way just to touch him…
Additionally, not only did Minato figure out Kamui, but he also figured out that Obito wanted to end the battle quicker due to the fact that Obito was controlling Kurama, and therefore Minato took advantage of it.
People saying Tobirama would have an amp are wrong, he’d probably be even weaker because he’s fighting two uchihas to save thousands of uchihas, he’s definitely getting nerfed with that or joining the two😭
I don't hate orochimaru for stealing people's body but not using reanimation technique to bring young prime hiruzen is the real reason he is the villian.
if he did that then he would have hurt tobirama's feelings since prime hiruzen > tobirama so then definitvely all the other hokage would have been above tobirama lel
Been a while since I did this. Hashirama: He stomps Lil’rama: Racism amp carries Prime Hiruzen: He should be fine Old Hiruzen: Cooked Minato: He gonna blow obito’s back out again KCM Minato: He stomps Tsunade: Itachi no diffed Orochimaru at this age so tsunade getting cooked Danzo: Cooked Hokage Kakashi: This oughta be interesting but Kakashi should win from I been hearing Naruto: He stomps Shikamaru: Can’t even beat his own wife
@@Virhtue Itachi has many different things in his arsenal that can instantly kill minato unlike minato’s arsenal. Starting with Amaterasu, tsukuyomi, kotoamatsukami, IZANAGI, susanoo, totsuka blade, Crow Clone Technique, Body Flicker, Tactical Genius, etc. Itachi doesn’t even have to look at you to put you in a genjutsu “explanation ahead”. Comparing both by the time of their deaths because comparing edo tenseis is irrelevant because both are immortals. 1. FTG mark: Being marked by minato ftg and lose is the greatest joke i have heard. 15 year old killer bee was marked by minato and still end up in a tie with him, during the war minato also marked the kunai under madara’s feet which is basically marking him because madara wasn’t aware, minato tried a sneaky attack and lost an arm because of that. if the oponnent you marked is at same speed or faster than you then its irrelevant to mark him. If 15 year old killer bee wasn’t defeat by it, why would adult itachi? The only relevant opponent minato marked and defeated was 13 year old kid Obito and adult Obito that was being held by black zetsu. That’s it, if marking with ftg means victory he would hit killer bee and madara. Ftg mark ain’t doing shit even because susanoo can instally appear. “Remember Kirin which travels at speed of light?” Do y think minato ftg + rosengan hand gesture are speed of light? Definitely NOT. itachi can also use 15 kunais at once to counter any ftg kunai coming towards him, itachi way better in the kunai game. “As shown many times”. by the way I think ftg is ass because using something else to teleport only delay the whole teleportation process. Itachi Crow Clone Technique negates FTG that is his signature clone technique, where his body disperses into a flock of crows that confuse the enemy. 2. NAGATO/ killer bee/ Naruto: Itachi fought and saved Killer bee and kmc1 Naruto which was canonically already faster than minato and also itachi defeated NAGATO which is stronger than both Naruto/killer bee which canonically Naruto already stronger than minato. it’s pretty simple here, itachi fought killer bee which minato wasn’t able to defeat even when he was only 15 year old, itachi also fought equal level with Naruto kmc1 which was faster/stronger than minato canonically. itachi is relative in speed with adult killer bee and kmc1 Naruto which canonically was said to be faster than minato. So no ftg success there. 3. AMATERASU: Amaterasu can literally burn all those ftg kunais or rock or floor or whatever he marks. Minato will not be the target of Amaterasu but the things he use to teleport. Amaterasu just need to target the things he uses to teleport which are either stoped or not fast enough ones meaning easy target. Kunais are like 5 inches, the whole uchiha hideout area itachi burned with Amaterasu is like a few hundred thousand sqft and he burned all that area when he was spamming Amaterasu for over an hour so I don’t see why itachi can’t burn a few 5 inch kunai with absolutely no effort. Again remember the size of uchiha hideout. 4. SUSANOO: susanoo and kyuubi are at the same brutal power level and guess who killed minato? Wasn’t it kyuubi? Susanoo is fast enough to react to Kirin speed of light so he can definitely react to a ftg + rosengan hand gesture. 5. GENJUTSU: I don’t see why minato wouldn’t get caught in a genjutsu, just because Obito and madara canonically never tried genjutsu on their main opponents doesn’t mean itachi wouldn’t. Itachi is literally the dude that uses the most genjutsu. itachi genjutsus are 4: kotoamatsukami, tsukuyomi, IZANAGI, and regular genjutsu. Itachi has 4 ways to put minato in genjutsu: 1/ by crows flying everywhere like he did to Naruto filing the whole field of fight with genjutsu crows, 2/ finger genjutsu like he did to kakashi, 3/ looking in the eye genjutsu and 4/ kunai reflection as show before. Do y really think minato can escape all these ways of itachi genjutsu? Itachi the master of genjutsu? Think again buddy because the series showed you don’t need to look at itachi to get caught on his genjutsu just ask kakashi and Naruto. I hope minato is not bold enough to try to fight itachi with closed eyes because itachi will obliterate him. Explaining more: 1.Finger Genjutsu: Itachi can cast genjutsu by simply pointing at a target, bypassing the need for direct eye contact. 2.Crow Genjutsu: He frequently uses crows in his techniques, allowing him to create illusions involving flocks of crows. 3. IZANAGI: izanagi dont need anything to activate and he can activate it in case he get killed, and then counter attack the attack that killed him at the right time so he can kill his opponent. Lose an eye for a definitive victory. Izanagi can also be activated before the fight even start like madara did and you can also include conditions. You can actually shape reality to your own like with this ability. OHER ITACHI ABILITIES: 1. Crow Clone Technique: Itachi's signature clone technique, where his body disperses into a flock of crows that confuse the enemy. Negate FTG. 2. Body Flicker Technique (Shunshin no Jutsu): Itachi can move at extreme speeds, appearing to teleport short distances. 3. Tactical Genius: Itachi is renowned for his incredible intelligence, strategic mind, and ability to anticipate and counter his opponents' moves with precision. itachi is always 5 steps ahead of everyone. CONIDERATIONS: People like to bring up reaper death seal which is the only thing minato have that will actually work here but so would totsuka blade. Both are top level sealing jutsus and as soon as minato uses it itachi will also use totsuka blade and both will seal each other at the same time. Also people like to mention that Raikage dodged Amaterasu and minato is faster than Raikage. First of all minato body speed is not faster than Raikage body lightening speed. There is a difference between speed and teleportation. When Raikage fought minato, minato was teleporting everywhere. That’s is not speed that’s teleportation. Body lightening enhancement speed is a better counter to Amaterasu than FTG teleportation because FTG uses kunai to teleport delaying the whole teleportation process and Amaterasu is going to target the kunai instead of minato himself. Resuming, raikage speed can’t hit minato teleportation, but raikage speed can dodge Amaterasu, but minato can’t dodge Amaterasu because minato himself will not be the target of Amaterasu but the kunais he uses to teleport. Those kunai need to be thrown and they gonna burn before reaching itachi and thats for sure.
Lol. Though to be fair, Konan had a lot of prep time for what she did and there are only 2 characters that can single-handedly pressure Obito in that way without any prep time: Naruto and Hashirama. Both have the chakra and fighting styles (especially Naruto with his kage bunshin) to just continuously barrage Obito for 5 minutes straight with large scale explosive attacks to get around Kamui.
@@treeztop yeah tobirama got cooked by 20 ninja & kinaku l. It’s stated it was the kinaku unit which implies ginkaku wasn’t there. So he got cooked by kinkaku and 20 ninja. Minato mowed down atleast 50 of them in the blink of an eye without suffering any injury. Tobirama is just ass. Hiruzen who’s stated equal and or above Tobirama implied he can handle them himself.
I really don't think vs Hashirama is a cut and dry stomp. Obito and Itachi synergizing together should allow them to punch _well_ above their weight class. Like what does Hashirama actually do if Obito just tells Itachi to sit in the Kamui dimension with his Susanoo up and strike with the totsuka blade as soon as he sees a portal pop up? Hashirama's overwhelming strength doesn't really matter when Obito can just Kamui himself and Itachi away to avoid the damage. They also should both be able to use Izanagi at least once if worse comes to worst. Obito's main problem vs Hashirama solo is that he just can't do any meaningful damage; the totsuka blade addresses that problem. I'm not saying it's an auto win, but it's a pretty significant win-con. This is arguably the most broken hypothetical duo in Naruto. Unless they just get blitzed off rip I honestly have a hard time seeing them losing badly in pretty much any non six paths level matchup.
The uncomfortable conversation people are scared to have about Hashirama haha 🤣. It’s the truth though that’s most likely what would happen knowing his reputation and him not knowing theirs besides they are uchiha. People have been weird with these vs battles.
You bring up some very valid points. Unfortunately, if the two of them try to stall by hiding this gives Hashirama the opportunity to go into sage mode. With danger sensing this makes the wind calm moot. I really like your critical thinking though. Like it was fun actually having to think about the matchup.👍
@@___________0Z0X Thanks. _"this gives Hashirama the opportunity to go into sage mode."_ Damn that's a really good point. I would've argued that Hashirama doesn't tend to go into sage mode immediately, but it only makes sense for him to do it if he loses sight of them. To be fair I only said it's not a cut and dry stomp for Hashirama. They have to retreat basically as soon as Hashirama enters sage mode, but he can't keep it up forever and they can try again later. It'd be a mickey ass W, but hey: they're ninjas 🤷♂.
the picture of Hashirama just getting super pissed off one day, and deciding he felt like leveling the entire Uchiha compound because of Madara would be a hilarious situation. Bro just walks in, hands fall from the sky, and no one can do anything about it.
While I agree that Hashirama and Minato would definitely win, way too much evidence from the manga to support it. That said, I also believe that in both cases it would be more challenging than it seems. Itachi and Obito together are arguably the most haxed ninja duo ever (aside from Six Path Naruto and Sasuke), that canonically existed. In Hashirama's case, I don't think he'll purely just go with his big wood golem or buddha statue. Just like how Naruto didn't summon Gamabunta against Sasuke in their first valley of the end and be like "my giant toad is here, gg". It's just not practical against these type of fighters, especially with a guy that just becomes intangible and can warp people into another dimension in basically the blink of an eye. Now, as to how he'd fight differently I can't really comment on (we don't see much of how he actually fights). What I can see him do however is go the Konan route and continuously barrage the battlefield with kage bunshin and woodstyle to keep pressure on Obito (if and once he figures out kamui) and Itachi. That's how I see him kind of nullifying their hax. In Minato's case, I see the battle being more of "no room for mistakes from either side and precision timing strikes". Both sides have to go for instant wins. Minato has the clear speed advantage and has proven to take out opponents of this caliber effortlessly. But still Itachi and Obito together are no joke.
@@Virhtuei have fun suggestion for a video: which Ultimate jutsu from the storm games, are just for visual coolness and which are more canon( if its confusing, which jutsu are just for fun and which are replicable in cannon. EX: minato ulti jutsu where he teleports like crazy, )
Yea Minato is above madara you meatrider. Sharingan cannot react to flying raijin because teleportation has no movements and sharingan works by tracking movements. With teleportation theee is nothing to track and Minato is known as the fastest so there’s nothing madara can do to dodge no stop him (unless he activated susanoo and stays in that form the entire match)
@SageOfSixVidz genuinely retarded lmao. He couldn't deal with obito and kurama and make it out alive. Madara can react to ftg and has shown so in the war. Madara can still sense his chakra and the chakra in the kunai to react especially because outside of teleportation madara is just faster. Also even with minato teleporting around he dead still can't hurt madara for a couple of reasons. Susanoo has an instant activation and would immediately neg any attempt minato makes on top of blowing him back. And even funnier is minato straight up lacks the ap to damage madara. Minato does NOT have a jutsu that can rival narutos massive rasenshuriken in terms of ap and guess what?? Madara tanked one with 0 damage and a smile on his face whilst being held by a wood dragon. So its like cmon bruh. Lastly I noticed that you only said madara. Which means you think hashirama wins despite kishimoto the dammed author stating hashirama and madara are equals and honestly if hashirama didn't resort to a sneak attack while madara was talking hashirama would've lost at the valley. So for madara and Hashirama to literally be neck to neck in power and skill of you say minato beats madara then you're saying he beats hashirama too. And you yourself don't even agree with that idea so you need to wake up, read a databook maybe, watch some better madara and Hashirama scaling or something, or just pay attention to the manga. Cause you guys are an embarrassment in this thread. I should not be having to explain what should essentially be common sense
@@SageOfSixVidzhe gets washed he was getting played with by teen obito😂. ems alive madara is stronger than naruto and sasuke before they got six paths amp. and hashirama could oneshot an amped version of him
@@vert6537 lack of reading comprehension I guess. Minato not only one shotted obito but also canceled the genjutsu that was on the nine tails. Toyed with. Choose better verbiage when you debate bro.
@judgemasterneimaz8260 you're the one lacking reading comprehension. When you replied to me you called me a madara meat rider which implies that you believe minato beats madara but not hashirama when kishimoto himself has called them equals.... if you actually read naruto in it's entirety you would actually see hashirama only won due to stabbing madara while he was of guard and talking to him. so realistically if minato loses to hashirama he loses to madara.. the two of them are combat power are 🤏🏾 this close. So either say minato beats both or neither. Also you should know from reading that susanoo's activation is instantaneous. So all madara has to due is activate any lower stage of susanoo and minato is getting blown away from madara. Not to mention madara outside of teleportation is just fast enough to keep up with minato. The fact that Madara causally reacts to blitz attemps from kc2 naruto when hokage minato is compared to kcm 1 should really tell you something. So considering madara speed blitzed naruto's full power avatar which believe it or not is faster than kcm 2.... madara is actually just able to casually react to minato. Especially when he isnt teleporting. Also since madara is a sensor he can and will sense the chakra on the kunai to know what he is doing and where he will teleport. We literally see madara counter ftg on panel lol so ftg isn't enough to save minato. Also the most fun part is minato doesn't have the ap to damage madara considering he took a massive rasenshuriken with no damage.. what jutsu does minato have that surpasses that in ap?? A regular rasengan 😭😭. Even just madara's sword was blocking bijuu bombs from the 9 tails and less than half of the susanoo had formed... and what's even crazier is he got bombarded with 1000 hands and albeit he blasted most of them away he still tanked multiple hits from the buddha statue. Minato does not have the ap to actually kill this tank whether you like it or not minato gets ran down and killed vs hashirama or madara. He is a tier above everyone else but still below hashirama and madara. Basically in the same position as obito. Stronger than most of everybody but still below the characters that are blatantly depicted and stated to be the peak of shinobi. God's of shinobi.... so before you call out someone for reading comprehension, try comprehending authors' intent, data books, and basic power scaling because you clearly don't if you think minato wins.
Kaguya just appearing is stated to far more powerful than Juubidara who was stated to be stronger than Juubito, she then absorbs a ton of chakra from the Infinite Tsukuyomi to fight Naruto and Sasuke (who got stronger after fighting Juubidara) causally overpowering and blitzing them multiple times. Then Kaguya absorbs so much more chakra that Zetsu states her power and speed have increased exponentially. DMS Kakashi proceeds to react to this more powerful Kaguya's attacks and speed blitzes her with a Kamui Raikri. DMS Kakashi ~ Chakra Absorbed Kaguya > Base Kaguya >>>>>>>>>>>> Juubidara > Juubito
We should start giving tobirama edo tensi for win cons.Hiruzen says his tandem combo is his specialty. So A good win con Is him just using bringer of darkness to blind them,and get a shadow clone, and edo to fodderize a young itachi.While he him self just pressures obito to run.Obito almost sucked an off guard Minato Tobirama was more attentive compared to Minato fighting jubito.
Dont try and use that juubito nonsense to try and say tobirama> minato in any way. Minato obviously was in a daze and even if we did grant u that, he is admittedly slower than Minato
@@ramikpark8387 You don’t have to say Tobirama over KCM Minato.But you do have to acknowledge Tobirama’s awareness was the highest of the group.He shouldn’t get beaten by the first kamui swipe.Which gives him time to have a strategy.
Not even glazing but where did Obito give Minato a challenge? And I’m talking hand to hand, no 9 tails distraction, no going after his pregnant wife and child, just straight up hands, mind you before he even faced Obito 1 v 1 he teleport a beast ball and the 9 tails out of the village and still no dif Obito, so where was the challenge, and even Obito was banking on Minato being tired after or being in a tough spot after all that and he still lost.
@@progamer_otaku65421. Minato showed no fatigue after teleporting the tailed beast bomb so it’s an irrelevant thing to point out, on top of this obito is the one who’s linked with the full 9 tails in general, I would think that cost more chakra. 2. 9 tails wasnt a distraction, minato himself already said obito was the bigger threat and that he needed to get rid of obito first. He also said that obito was in a hurry due to the seal on the 9 tails weakening so they BOTH were in a rush. 3. Minato didn’t no diff obito, minato himself said the winner would be by a a split second diffence meaning the winner would win with a single attack and remained unharmed. So it would look like he no diffed obito if u ignore the writing, but the truth is he won that fight by a split second. So an adult obito beats minato let alone him having itachi by his side.
i would say obito was above itachi but like konan itachi would find a way to kill obito due to his intelligence and like he said more knowledge of him and his abilites. i would say obito obviously wins in a straight up fight but give itachi prep time and knowledge and he could find a way to kill obito just like konan did that isn't far fetched. obito is stronger yes but he was wary of itachi's intelligence
@Virhtue you have potential! I've seen your shorts and many of them cut off at the end. You could do livestreams or discord as well. Or more laid-back nonedited videos. Opinionated videos like your thoughts on scaling chains or character abilities. Shoot if you game that could work too. I just thought you had a membership but turns out you don't xD.
Do we know if Itachi had the susano around the era of the uchiha massacre? Let alone the Yata Mirror or Totsuka blade? I ask cause Orochimaru said that he didn’t know had Itachi acquired them at some unknown point. Cause they have a history that predates Itachi apparently for Orochimaru to know about them.
@@Virhtue For a 2v1 giving him the mystical weapons is definitely overkill when paired with Obito? They can literally kamui away and send out the T.sword for offense and the Y.mirror for defense. Everything else MS wise is fair game, but in every versus 1v1 both Obito and Itachi clear 99% no matter what anyways.
@@Virhtue Itachi has many different things in his arsenal that can instantly kill minato unlike minato’s arsenal. Starting with Amaterasu, tsukuyomi, kotoamatsukami, IZANAGI, susanoo, totsuka blade, Crow Clone Technique, Body Flicker, Tactical Genius, etc. Itachi doesn’t even have to look at you to put you in a genjutsu “explanation ahead”. Comparing both by the time of their deaths because comparing edo tenseis is irrelevant because both are immortals. 1. FTG mark: Being marked by minato ftg and lose is the greatest joke i have heard. 15 year old killer bee was marked by minato and still end up in a tie with him, during the war minato also marked the kunai under madara’s feet which is basically marking him because madara wasn’t aware, minato tried a sneaky attack and lost an arm because of that. if the oponnent you marked is at same speed or faster than you then its irrelevant to mark him. If 15 year old killer bee wasn’t defeat by it, why would adult itachi? The only relevant opponent minato marked and defeated was 13 year old kid Obito and adult Obito that was being held by black zetsu. That’s it, if marking with ftg means victory he would hit killer bee and madara. Ftg mark ain’t doing shit even because susanoo can instally appear. “Remember Kirin which travels at speed of light?” Do y think minato ftg + rosengan hand gesture are speed of light? Definitely NOT. itachi can also use 15 kunais at once to counter any ftg kunai coming towards him, itachi way better in the kunai game. “As shown many times”. by the way I think ftg is ass because using something else to teleport only delay the whole teleportation process. Itachi Crow Clone Technique negates FTG that is his signature clone technique, where his body disperses into a flock of crows that confuse the enemy. 2. NAGATO/ killer bee/ Naruto: Itachi fought and saved Killer bee and kmc1 Naruto which was canonically already faster than minato and also itachi defeated NAGATO which is stronger than both Naruto/killer bee which canonically Naruto already stronger than minato. it’s pretty simple here, itachi fought killer bee which minato wasn’t able to defeat even when he was only 15 year old, itachi also fought equal level with Naruto kmc1 which was faster/stronger than minato canonically. itachi is relative in speed with adult killer bee and kmc1 Naruto which canonically was said to be faster than minato. So no ftg success there. 3. AMATERASU: Amaterasu can literally burn all those ftg kunais or rock or floor or whatever he marks. Minato will not be the target of Amaterasu but the things he use to teleport. Amaterasu just need to target the things he uses to teleport which are either stoped or not fast enough ones meaning easy target. Kunais are like 5 inches, the whole uchiha hideout area itachi burned with Amaterasu is like a few hundred thousand sqft and he burned all that area when he was spamming Amaterasu for over an hour so I don’t see why itachi can’t burn a few 5 inch kunai with absolutely no effort. Again remember the size of uchiha hideout. 4. SUSANOO: susanoo and kyuubi are at the same brutal power level and guess who killed minato? Wasn’t it kyuubi? Susanoo is fast enough to react to Kirin speed of light so he can definitely react to a ftg + rosengan hand gesture. 5. GENJUTSU: I don’t see why minato wouldn’t get caught in a genjutsu, just because Obito and madara canonically never tried genjutsu on their main opponents doesn’t mean itachi wouldn’t. Itachi is literally the dude that uses the most genjutsu. itachi genjutsus are 4: kotoamatsukami, tsukuyomi, IZANAGI, and regular genjutsu. Itachi has 4 ways to put minato in genjutsu: 1/ by crows flying everywhere like he did to Naruto filing the whole field of fight with genjutsu crows, 2/ finger genjutsu like he did to kakashi, 3/ looking in the eye genjutsu and 4/ kunai reflection as show before. Do y really think minato can escape all these ways of itachi genjutsu? Itachi the master of genjutsu? Think again buddy because the series showed you don’t need to look at itachi to get caught on his genjutsu just ask kakashi and Naruto. I hope minato is not bold enough to try to fight itachi with closed eyes because itachi will obliterate him. Explaining more: 1.Finger Genjutsu: Itachi can cast genjutsu by simply pointing at a target, bypassing the need for direct eye contact. 2.Crow Genjutsu: He frequently uses crows in his techniques, allowing him to create illusions involving flocks of crows. 3. IZANAGI: izanagi dont need anything to activate and he can activate it in case he get killed, and then counter attack the attack that killed him at the right time so he can kill his opponent. Lose an eye for a definitive victory. Izanagi can also be activated before the fight even start like madara did and you can also include conditions. You can actually shape reality to your own like with this ability. OHER ITACHI ABILITIES: 1. Crow Clone Technique: Itachi's signature clone technique, where his body disperses into a flock of crows that confuse the enemy. Negate FTG. 2. Body Flicker Technique (Shunshin no Jutsu): Itachi can move at extreme speeds, appearing to teleport short distances. 3. Tactical Genius: Itachi is renowned for his incredible intelligence, strategic mind, and ability to anticipate and counter his opponents' moves with precision. itachi is always 5 steps ahead of everyone. CONIDERATIONS: People like to bring up reaper death seal which is the only thing minato have that will actually work here but so would totsuka blade. Both are top level sealing jutsus and as soon as minato uses it itachi will also use totsuka blade and both will seal each other at the same time. Also people like to mention that Raikage dodged Amaterasu and minato is faster than Raikage. First of all minato body speed is not faster than Raikage body lightening speed. There is a difference between speed and teleportation. When Raikage fought minato, minato was teleporting everywhere. That’s is not speed that’s teleportation. Body lightening enhancement speed is a better counter to Amaterasu than FTG teleportation because FTG uses kunai to teleport delaying the whole teleportation process and Amaterasu is going to target the kunai instead of minato himself. Resuming, raikage speed can’t hit minato teleportation, but raikage speed can dodge Amaterasu, but minato can’t dodge Amaterasu because minato himself will not be the target of Amaterasu but the kunais he uses to teleport. Those kunai need to be thrown and they gonna burn before reaching itachi and thats for sure.
I would humbly encourage Virthue, Lonk's Tales, Yacine, ThunderGod, and Six to stop doing the EXACT same types of videos over and over again with a different franchise. Lonk's Tales at least does wacky shit like Can Hercules survive Five Nights' at Freddy's. Maybe try a wacky scenario, or at least don't fall into this rut of "can Itachi/Obito/the Hokage/the Sannin/the Akatsuki fightthe Espada/do better in the war/defeat Kisame/defeat Minato?" * Can Kara defeat the Akatsuki? * Edo Madara vs Madara in his prime * How would Konoha fare after Hurricane Helene? * Could the Konoha Rookies capture Sadam Hussein? * What if Major Metallitron hunted down Naruto? * Could Naruto survive the Basilisk Ninja Scrolls? * What if the Pillar Men existed in Naruto? * What if Naruto had One For All? * Naruto vs Kara * Kara vs Madara Uchiha Just, you know, stuff you don't see a lot of.
Yeah I know they are the same comments of the previous video but, i think they fit with the Itachi/obito against Minato section of the video and maybe some people will respond or even @virhtue Ok I’ll explain why itachi wins point by point and why Minato is overrated in this video but it’s gonna be long anyway, so take popcorns. 1. Itachi is the most suitable person to counter Minato as the Flying Raijin offensiveness mostly works by placing a seal over a kunai to be thrown and then teleporting to where the kunai was thrown. From the beginning we have always been shown Itachi training with kunai and being so strong that he can throw the kunai and immediately after, hit the same kunai thrown a second earlier with another kunai and hit all the targets. All this with his eyes closed. Kabuto himself in the battle against Nagato states "I thought that the greater field of vision provided by the rinnegan summons would be enough but Itachi is so good with the kunai that he manages to find a blind spot to use to hit the targets. He is actually too strong." To counter flying Raijin it would be enough to do what he has always done, that is, deflect the thrown kunai. And this is a very probable scenario as the power of the flying Raijin itself also depends on the user's ability to throw the kunai as the weapon mainly used for it. Itachi, being certainly with evidence and statements the best in this, he would have no problem deflecting the kunai thrown by Minato. A similar scenario happened when Ems Sasuke has thrown 3 shuriken at Kabuto and Itachi immediately deflected all of them, to stop Sasuke from killing Kabuto. In some battles, Minato throws kunai scattered across the battlefield to create a favorable scenario for the use of the flying Raijin. To counter this, Itachi could use amaterasu to make the points or most of the points where the kunais are stuck unusable. Then like I said Minato to kill his opponents uses mainly the flying Raijin with his kunai. Like he did against Obito or against Killer Bee and Ay. Realistically to kill someone Minato needs to teleport near him and the simplest way is to throw the kunai near the opponent and then teleport. So the flying Raijin techinque depends for the majority on the skills of the person in kunai and shuriken jutsu. Itachi is stated and shown through the entire naruto matarial to be the best user of kunai and to deflect kunai like it’s nothing with his eyes closed or to blitz Nagato’s summining’s vision with Kabuto admitting he’s the best. So Itachi can just deflect all of Minato’s kunai since he’s stated to be better than anyone in kunai and so better than Minato. Also Itachi was shown to be so fast with hands movements that not even kakashi with the sharingan was able to see it. So he can throw the kunai faster than Minato. Yeah minato can mark other things and not only kunais, but it would be useless since the main victory factor comes from blitzing the opponent with ftg using kunai. To assume that Minato can kill Itachi without his kunai we have to concede the fact that Minato has prep time and so an advantage. Minato would not have any time to mark trees or other things. The only way that he could is that Itachi let him do so, but that would never happen. Also minato can mark you with the ftg seal but to do that he must get close to you and touch you but without ftg is improbable that he can do it and I’ll explain in the second point.
2. Minato was regarded as the fastest shinobi only because of ftg, his reputation of being so fast comes from him using ftg and not because his so fast with his normal speed, since we have no real proof or statements of him being that fast without ftg. Every time someone talks about minato’s speed is in reference to ftg. Shisui was stated to be the best body flicker user of all time meaning better and so faster than minato, and so the reputation of him being the fastest shinobi it’s not in reference to body flicker. Then in the battle against yellow mask obito we clearly see both of them going at the same speed, move at the same time and speed and even obito blitzing minato with his chains, with him escaping only because of ftg. If minato was really that fast normally, like it is explained in the video, he wouldn’t have needed ftg to escape from obito’s chain since he could have effortlessly avoid it with his normal combat speed or body flicker. Minato had the upper hand in speed only because of ftg since without it he was never shown moving faster or blitzing obito in the fight. So if minato is Kcm2 Naruto level of speed, also yellow mask obito is at that level since he was shown to move and run as fast as minato without ftg. But we all know that it doesn’t make sense to have yellow mask obito at kcm2 level of speed. 3. Then for the kurama feat where he summons gamabunta, there’s no real proof that suggest minato running through the entire village and jump so high to go above kurama. The only plausible explanation is him using ftg to do that feat or like teleport somewhere near kurama and then get close to him and throw a kunai over kurama, since to make a jump that high you need to be fucking goku or fly and we have never seen any shinobi jump so damn high with his normal strength. Then the fact that kurama haven’t even noticed him is because he was focused on making the bijou bomb so he wasn’t paying attention to anything
4. Then we have Itachi’s speed scaling. Itachi has shown in every aspect better feats than Ems Sasuke against Kabuto. He is shown superior in combat than ems Sasuke, more faster, reacting faster and better to kabuto’s attacks, while protecting his brother, telling him what to do, and all of that while suppressing his power and while preparing all the stages for the activation of izanami. Edo Itachi by feats is shown above Ems sasuke without even going all out, with all restrictions that comes from protecting Sasuke and preparing the activation of izanami, since from the beginning his goal was to put Kabuto under izanami and almost every action was for the activation of it. And that’s edo Itachi who’s weaker than his alive healthy counterpart that is taken into consideration in the video. Then Itachi in the databook statement, about Sasuke being equal to him, says that he recognize Sasuke as his equal but that could just mean that he doesn’t see him like the little brother who needs protection but instead a skilled ninja like him who can cooperate and help him, more like a status thing, and that’s supported by the fact that against Kabuto Ems Sasuke was not shown equal to Itachi in almost every aspect. The same Ems Sasuke was shown relative to mkcm1 Naruto who’s by feat relative and for some reasons above or at least faster than early kcm2 Naruto(the same early kcm2 Naruto who was compared to minato by kakashi). But even if we assume that minato is really fast like kcm2 Naruto without ftg, Itachi is not so behind that level. In fact, since he’s faster than Ems Sasuke who’s relative to mkcm1 Naruto, he should be at least near kcm2 Naruto level by some degree and so near minato’s speed. But if we take into consideration that early kcm2 Naruto was compared by kakashi to minato, then Itachi could be faster than him since he scales higher than mkcm1 Naruto who’s at least in speed by feat above early kcm2 (feat like reacting better to white mask obito who blitzed early kcm2 Naruto with wood style meanwhile mkcm1 Naruto could react to obito's surprise attack from behind). Meaning minato would not speed blitz him since they are in a similar tier of speed and surely Itachi can at least react to him, without even mentioning the susanoo who’s faster than Itachi himself and so even more near kcm2 Naruto tier of speed.
5. There is also a statement that can be used to scale Edo Itachi. Kabuto stated in chapter 585 that Itachi is the finest foil in his Edo tensei, meaning his best Edo tensei. Above even edo Madara who is also one of Kabuto’s Edo tensei foil. Kabuto has witnessed Madara fighting against the alliance and was aware of most of his top abilities: Tengai Shinsei, Six Paths / Rinnegan, Hashirama's power, Susano'o, etc. Also it's fair to say that Kabuto had a strong grasp on Madara's overall power level, even if he wasn't privy to certain skills and techniques. Despite that he regards Itachi as his best Edo tensei. Some people can argue that Kabuto said this but not in reference to Itachi’s power, but in the overall statement kabuto mentions not only itachi’s intelligence and that he knows many secrets, but also his power and jutsu (“and you also had many jutsu and much power”) meaning that Kabuto was also referring to itachi’s power and justu when he stated that he’s better than any of his Edo tensei. Then to support even more the statement in reference to also power, Kabuto in the sentence “and my pawns are part of my power” wants to underline that Edo tensei pawns affect his own power. So the stronger the pawn is, the stronger Kabuto himself is. If Madara is so much stronger than edo Itachi, than Madara would be the finest foil of Kabuto and he would prefer him over Itachi, since he would overall gain and benefit more from controlling Madara than Itachi. Like Itachi, Madara is an uchiha, has the mangekyo sharingan and bore many secrets, the only difference is in jutsu and power. Despite all of that, Itachi with his intelligence, many jutsu and power, is seen better than Madara by Kabuto, and so he would benefit and gain more from Itachi than Madara. With that statement Itachi has a comparable scaling to that of minato of the video. The same Kabuto in chapter 580 says to Itachi, “what sets you apart from the rest of your uchiha brethren is that you have true ocular powers, the ability to peer into and read people’s souls and use what you learn in battle” With that statement Kabuto says that Itachi has true ocular powers with the ability for Itachi to read people’s soul and use that in combat which is a thing that no uchiha can do, except him, not even Madara. For Kabuto Itachi has true ocular powers and not Madara. So it’s not so improbable to think that Itachi is (also narratively at this point) at least (maybe above) Edo madara’s level who is relative to kcm2 level combatants, and that’s also consistent with the speed scaling of Itachi being near or at kcm2 Naruto level.
6. Minato is not immune to genjutsu and tsukuyomi and if he does what he's done in the fight against obito, like looking his opponent in the eyes then it would be over for him. Minato is shown in character to look at uchiha’s eyes despite knowing it’s dangerous, and despite knowing his opponent is “Madara”. So why would minato avoid eye contact with Itachi if not even with Obito he did that, despite knowing his strong ocular power? So he would probably do the same thing against Itachi since there’s no proof of him avoiding eye contact when facing an uchiha. The only one who can fight without looking his opponent directly in the eyes is stated to be Guy, something Minato can't do. Some people can say that with sage mode he can but Minato stated "actually i'm not good at senjutsu. It takes too long to knead that chakra and i can't maintain it for a long time. I've never really used it in an actual fight". Minato literally states that he's not good at it and that he never used it in a battle. So even with itachi he would most likely avoid using sage mode. Furthermore, Itachi can create an illusion even just by pointing at you, or touching you, so it's not just the eye contact that matters. Minato has no valid proof of him being able to resist or escape from itachi’s genjutsu and we all know with evidence that Itachi can put almost everyone if he wants under genjutsu and also at the very begging of the fight, without the opponent even noticing that. Like he did against Deidara where he puts him under genjutsu the very first time Deidara looked into itachi’s eyes. With Kisame stating “from the get go, the moment you looked into itachi’s sharingan you were trapped”. So since minato would not avoid in character eye contact is very probable that Itachi at the very beginning of the fight puts him under genjutsu or even tsukuyomi, maybe without minato even noticing it. And surely Minato would at least for some time look into itachi’s eyes, so it’s very probable to happen. Also the statement of Sage, of minato sealing sharingan power with his sealing jutsus doesn't make sense since he's never been shown of being capable of doing such things and not even with obito did that. So why do that against itachi? Even if we concede that he can, he's shown in character not to do such a thing, since he has not done that against Obito when he could possibly do that.
7. We can also say that Itachi has knowledge and intel advantage over minato. As a highly skilled shinobi prodigy, Itachi studied Konoha's history, leadership and jutsu extensively (like it’s said in the novel Itachi shinden), allowing him to learn about Minato's accomplishments and abilities even without having met the Fourth Hokage directly. So he knows about Minato, his reputation, strength and jutsus. He will surely use that informations in battle, and come up with a plan to beat him. Like when, after seeing the chibaku tensei for the first time, Itachi immediately came up with a plan to counter it. Or just like Kabuto said in chapter 580 where he stated that Itachi, with his true ocular powers, can peer into and read people’s soul and use the informations he gets in battle. So almost immediately Itachi can think of a way to beat minato. While minato does know nothing about Itachi and his abilities, making him unaware of what he’s capable of. This is a huge advantage for Itachi, who can use those informations about minato to have the upper hand, find his weakness and outsmart him. What people need to realize is that itachi’s true power doesn’t come from his raw strength or even jutsus, but from his intelligence. His main weapon is his intelligence. In fact he outsmarted almost everyone he faced off, and nothing can prove that Itachi cannot outsmart minato, the same Itachi who is smarter and better in battle iq than the fourth hokage.
If Tobirama loses base mInato gets destroyed yeah im saying it.If the fight needs more then speed tobirama is just strides better than base Minato.He has a bunch of anti Uchiha moves that will be more useful here.
@@Archer170true but he lost to the gold and silver brothers and 20 other shinobi obito beat like 20 s rank mist shinobi he and itachi could develop a plan to catch tobirama off guard with their level of genius
@@MickKing-og6xouse feats that we've seen for example the war arc.Tobirama is able to surprise jubito with speed whom is able to easily block amaterasu EASILY.So saying tobirama loses to 2 characters that are way lower than jubito is pure madness
@@vaughnjackson6297 why would you use the feats in the war the argument is each hokage at the time of when they were the hokage not as a reanimated soldier the way I look at it if he uses the edo tensi with paper bombs and has no ethics its arguable other wise no way
0:10 The Senju and Hyūga are also in contention for that spot, amongst others. 0:19 It is worth noting Itachi did not have to face two of the strongest Uchiha, Shisui and Fugaku, and also got a free pass on Mikoto (however strong it would be), and much of the problem that Obito dealt with was the non-fighting population. 0:27 Not sure what "strongest set" means, but Itachi and Shisui were also the "strongest set" before, technically. 1:00 Yashiro, one of the five strongest Uchiha in the clan, completely kowtows to Obito, so Itachi's relation to the clan is sort of a moot point when Obito also surpasses all of them. 2:00 He clearly did not grasp Kamui since his Amaterasu trap completely fizzled against it. 2:10 So did Tenma, a relatively no-name genin who just had a talent for genjutsu. Seems Obito traded in potency for area of effect. Also, the wording is a bit off. He did not it break it without using his Sharingan, he did not even have Sharingan until after Obito left. Itachi not faltering later on does not prove relativity to Obito, either. Konan was confident in killing Obito one way or another, but was obviously outclassed. Obito having Konoha as a goal also does not mean he would have to go through Itachi; Kurama comes last regardless, and he gets to use Itachi as an asset and then get Sasuke to replace him when he does, he just needs to wait, which is well within his plans. 3:20 If Konan knew all about Obito, he would also probably be dead. Intelligence goes a long way. It has nothing to do with relativity, unless one wishes to assert Konan is as well? 4:15 That is not really said in the novel, and one could argue the opposite since Itachi hardened his heart after killing Izumi. He told Obito he had already been broken by the darkness for a long time before. 4:52 It did not actually kill Yashiro. He was still spouting gibberish (so his brain was not completely destroyed) when Itachi decapitated him, causing his death. 5:20 It was not telepathy. Obito is actually surprised to se the reason he called him, since all it did was just alert Obito that he is being pinged, to his location. 6:23 Could be argued he does not want his newly minted pawn to burn out. 3:35 That is not the Phoenix Sage Fire technique. 6:42 They look relative on that page. Probably need to substantiate that claim. 7:35 That could just be a regular metal pipe. 8:30 It is not stated to be a third, and it is actually stated to be his strongest long-range ninjutsu, so presumably it has higher attack potency than the Amaterasu. 8:55 Both were going relative, and Itachi does not amplify his chakra by progressing his dōjutsu. 11:15 Does not help that it is also an inferior Wood Clone whilst that is actually Tobirama's body. The term is Seal of Confrontation, also. 16:28 Feel Tobirama's Water Dragon is a more obvious example. 18:05 Itachi thought the Uchiha were delusional in their plans, and even Hiruzen's own student underestimated him at a point in time even after the planned kidnapping, so it is likely the Uchiha even more strongly underestimated a younger, stronger Hiruzen. 19:55 This analysis for Hiruzen also should conclude with a "buff" of a few years as I imagine the Hiruzen being placed against Itachi and Obito could be the younger Hiruzen of that time. 20:38 unless Hiruzen smells him coming from behind him. Even Minato was able to feel Obito appear behind him, and he is probably less capable in that area than Hiruzen. 21:45 Feel they would not be including the Hokage in the list, more so other active shinobi. Shisui was not a notable shinobi according to the birthday columns until after Minato died. 23:58 He was already making the seals before it was fired. 25:00 VIZism. In Japanese, he just question if it is Minato, not saying it has to be/can only be him. 25:14 Shikaku was not referring to a seal, he was referring to a time-space barrier. Those are different categories altogether. 30:50 Chōza sort of implies Tsunade may have surpassed the other two Sannin by the time of the Fourth Shinobi World War, for what that is worth.
@@Arcadia_warlic no body contends a statement, contentious is typically defined as a heated or intense disagreement, there isn’t one considering there is a statement, silly
There are statements that other clans are also potentially the strongest. Given it is mutually exclusive, amongst all of the statements, it could be said there is contention, or dispute.
We don't know if Itachi had Amaterasu during the massacre right? This is assuming Obito and Itachi during the canon storyline? I can't see them working together during their Akatsuki days
So Itachi has better and more ware senses than Anbu black ops? This is why people usually run with broke through because it’s a more charitable interpretation to Obito
@Virhtue I believe the level-headed mind of Itachi will be of immense aid to Obito Itachi himself is as intelligent as Minato. Their Chunin exam results paint a picture of relativity (in terms of battle IQ) at that age. Obito will have someone who will constantly remind him to focus and not underestimate their opponent, so we will probably see a better performance from him. And Itachi himself has never underestimated an opponent. I believe that being in a fight that has to end quickly against the Hokage will prompt Itachi to use his MS techniques asap. If Minato lacks Intel and keeps staring at Itachi, then Tsukuyomi GG. But if not, then I can see a situation where Itachi creates enough pressure for Obito to get the bfr.
I think the yata mirror deflecting “Any and all attacks” is a bit hyperbole. I’d say it can deflect whatever it has shown to deflect and nothing more. Sounds like a massive NLF. Feats > Everything else (including whatever author says).
pretty obvious this guy is a hokage glazer. hashirama win 8/10 tobirama wins 3/10 hiruzen 1/10 minato 4/10 tsunade 0/10 itachi and obito would be basically 2v1 each of them how does minato win..
Minato loses 1v1 against each of them,hes overrated bcs he’s cool which i agree, hashirama loses to them itachi is a big problem with tsukuyomi or amaterasu
Yea you gotta be smoking crack bro, where the fuck you getting these numbers from? And Itachi and Obito ain’t holding a candle to Madara and you’re telling me Hashirama is winning 8/10, the guy that tamed all 9 tailed beast and gave them out to other villages, and feet that Itachi and Obito wouldn’t even achieve in their dreams, I need to have what you’re having fam.
I fell like itachi and obito lose to hiruzen just because of reaper death seal and has a lot of jutsu and i don't think obito can phase for that long if i'm correct.
I understand that minato is superior to tobirama but how is “way faster than tobirama” to a point where people don’t think he could simply teleport out of almost being sucked away from orange mask Obito ? Or teleport behind Obito before he could put himself back in kamui dimension?
@@vaughnjackson6297 I don’t think he is “way faster” either but he is faster. I just think the gap between their speed sometimes is exaggerated and the gap between Tobirama and people slower and weaker than him is downplayed based off one off feats or loose assertions.
Wait the data book said susanoo couldn't be absorbed by pain. And kamui wouldn't work on it. But sand does. No i ignore that it doesn't seem right. Tamari is universal remember.
Why would you title in the massacre but then give Susanoo unlocked Itachi which he did not have then. If Itachi had susanoo during the massacre hw wouldnt need Obito to take care of the police force. Should have just been titled Itachi prime and Obito pre war
You dont unlock other abilities until further progression. Neither Kakashi nor Obito used susanoo immediately. Sasuke unlocked MS and didn't immediately unlock susanoo. Shisui canonically never had susanoo, and to our knowledge neither has Sarada yet. Point is, Itachi needed Obito's help taking on the Uchiha because he couldn't do it alone. If he had susanoo in his arsenal, it would had been more than sufficient to carry a solo mission.
@@Antonio-vn5xc I ain’t disagreeing with it, just like it’s being represented. Base Minato > base hashirama is very consistent, multiple ways to prove it
@@kaizel2264 he can beat kurama in base, its shown in a flashback so thats something (puts him below minato still though since he took damage from doing it)
@@spicyboi544 well I still have hashirama over but to be on someone's level doesn't mean you can beat them. Madara is on hashiramas level but can't beat him. Minato stomps these two
@@NirmanTamang Uchiha fanboys clearly didn't watch Naruto... 😂🤣 Y'all be doing overtime on yuh knees for these overated bums. This isn't Shippuden Obito and Itachi. 😐 Hashirama is obviously not supposed to be included in this. He one taps both at the same time. Tobirama bested izuna with ease. I don't think I need to go into all the reasons why he sparks them. Especially considering how he had EMS Sasuke shook!! Minato made obito look like he didn't belong when they faced each other!! Plus he has a similar moveset to Tobirama which is a hard counter to the Uchiha. He clears with ease!! Hiruzen took on Orochimaru, Tobirama and Hashirama all at once while being out of his prime. He also knows every single jutsu in the leaf! He clears! Are we including the Hokages after the 4th? If so Tsunade is the closest match here but Tsunade took on Madara and did well, carried the team a few times. Unless Obito uses the genjutsu he used on the mizukage right from the get go, I don't see them getting this done. Hokage Kakashi CLEARS!! He's literally stronger than DMS Kakashi, stated by multiple official sources. Do I even need to say anything about Hokage Naruto??!! 😭😂 This isn't close!! The Hokages takes this at this point in the series with ease.
@@RoundOfApplauseChannel well tobirama doesn't even need a discussion..he obviously stomps both cause they are uchiha..I agree on that Point....but where is it stated that hokage kakashi is stronger than Dms kakashi...I thought hokage kakashi was stated to be superior to his base war arc version ..with no statements related to dms kakashi
@@NirmanTamangyeah in his light novel its stated that hes stronger than the base version of him in the war arc cuz no chakra drain from the sharingan and purple lightning to replace chidori
The thing is with the hokages all of them hard counters uchiha even tsundade was capable of fighting a weaker variant sussanoo and madara just playing around still a greater threat than obito and itachi together
Prove they are above. To do such your claim would have to be that Hashirama, who is combatively slower than his wood style which in Golem form is equal to Kurama and Madara’s Susanoo. Therefore in proving such you have to assert that either Madara or Hashirama have a speed beyond there Susanoo and wood styles that are both faster than themselves or just concede that full Kurama is much greater than KCM2
@@DatsLegitnesshun naruto never quite surpasses hashirama in strength until sage of six paths mode and madara was his equal so they are like if this existed kcm2.4 cuz the can fight for 24 hours straight against each other the mode only lasts for like 8 minutes
@@MickKing-og6xo not true. Sixpaths Naruto 1 shotted tentails absorbed rinnegan/sharingan madara in his “base” with lava style rasenshuriken. If it was that easy this tells me if you take away sixpaths from either of them Naruto would still be stronger since he’s stronger with it.
@@Virhtue I agree. EMS Madra and the Hashirama at the valley of the end being KCM 2 is fine by me. However, reanimated Madara and Hashirama (which means he got stronger since the last time he fought Madara) would mip the floor with KCM 2 Naruto.
He was twelve/thirteen during the massacre and I prefaced that I will be taking Itachi just after the massacre which is likely very relative to his Akatsuki days unless you can prove he got stronger through that time despite not training?
@@Virhtue I mean I would say he’s weaker not stronger when he slaughtered his clan and he didn’t have a mangekyou or just got it maybe I’ll get the whole idea wrong I thought the video is about when a hokage would be in Konoha to stop the massacre could he defeat them before they massacre the uchiha
Tobirama wins matches base hashi which is more than enough and tobirama is equal to it minato loses was struggling against a weaker obito this doesn’t make sense.
@@Virhtue Itachi needed Sasuke help in his fight with Kabuto even tho Itachi used more power against Kabuto than what he used against Nagato, on top of that most of the attacks Kabuto did that hit Itachi would have killed him if he wasn't an Edo. Also Sasori>deidara>kisame
I’m aware; however in setting a consensus for the community, I have to use transportation as teleportation because that’s generally considered instantaneous
@@ispeakfacts6867 Never said Itachi and Obito stand a chance in a straight up battle. But on the unlikely chance Itachi hits Hashirama with Tsukiyomi or Obito manages to suck in Hashirama into the Kamui dimension, Hashirama loses.
I only see hashirama and naruturd winning Minato is an idiot who looked a uchiha straight in the eyes the first time he met one, especially since he thought it was madara of all people, he gets cooked by any genjutsu from eye touchy or obito. And unlike the reveree flash whos an actual speedster, he cant phase through the shit I only bring up reverse flash becahse a certain someone insisted that thawne loses to this overrated fodder, and no its not virtue
@@Virhtue Not really. I'll try to explain and hopefully TH-cam doesn't take down my comment. Hashirama is obviously not supposed to be included in this. He one taps both at the same time. Tobirama bested izuna with ease. I don't think I need to go into all the reasons why he sparks them. Especially considering how he had EMS Sasuke shook!! Minato made obito look like he didn't belong when they faced each other!! Plus he has a similar moveset to Tobirama which is a hard counter to the Uchiha. He clears with ease!! Hiruzen took on Orochimaru, Tobirama and Hashirama all at once while being out of his prime. He also knows every single jutsu in the leaf! He clears! Are we including the Hokages after the 4th? If so Tsunade is the closest match here but Tsunade took on Madara and did well, carried the team a few times. Unless Obito uses the genjutsu he used on the mizukage right from the get go, I don't see them getting this done. Hokage Kakashi CLEARS!! He's literally stronger than DMS Kakashi, stated by multiple official sources. Do I even need to say anything about Hokage Naruto??!! 😭😂 This isn't close!! The Hokages takes this at this point in the series with ease.
@@stephenking2895 Check my response. This is also early Itachi and Obito. Stop applying feats that come later in their journey to their early selves. Makes yuh look “limited..."
@@RoundOfApplauseChannel what feats that come later in their did I apply?? They still have tysukinomi kamui and Amaterasu. Itachi still wiped out the entire uchiha police force by himself. Obito still controlled the nine tails and fought Minato. They are still cracked at this point. Why would u assume that one is applying feats that come for later points in the story. Makes yuh look “limited…”
Tobirama is winning cus he's fighting against two uchihas
Ahh, I forgot
@@artim4610 oh yeah
Lol
hahahaha
Tobirama coming in clutch with the racism buff
@@artim4610 I thought so too but the only reason he’s fighting uchiha’s is to protect the uchiha so I think it cancels out
Why would Tobirama want to fight them? If anything, he'd want to shake their hands while crying tears of joy at seeing his dream come true.
Because he gotta finish the job
Shake their hands is crazy
@@Virhtuefocusing on the “shake their hands” part instead of the “tears of joy” is crazier😭
Can’t believe you forgot about Tobirama’s racism amp, smh
tobirama would be mentally nerfed because he is protecting the uchiha
@@waffleenjoyer-re3pg 🤔🤔😱😱😱
@@waffleenjoyer-re3pg na he Fighting them after they did the job
@@logic-dy1su he’ll finish the whole clan off with plausible deniability.
"He was praised among all ninja as the greatest in god-like speed". Now that's a sentence i'll never get tired of hearing and it seems you will never get tired of saying it my friend.
Absolutely
It's also a sentence that ragebaits Minato haters
@@Virhtue Itachi has many different things in his arsenal that can instantly kill minato unlike minato’s arsenal. Starting with Amaterasu, tsukuyomi, kotoamatsukami, IZANAGI, susanoo, totsuka blade, Crow Clone Technique, Body Flicker, Tactical Genius, etc. Itachi doesn’t even have to look at you to put you in a genjutsu “explanation ahead”. Comparing both by the time of their deaths because comparing edo tenseis is irrelevant because both are immortals.
1. FTG mark:
Being marked by minato ftg and lose is the greatest joke i have heard. 15 year old killer bee was marked by minato and still end up in a tie with him, during the war minato also marked the kunai under madara’s feet which is basically marking him because madara wasn’t aware, minato tried a sneaky attack and lost an arm because of that. if the oponnent you marked is at same speed or faster than you then its irrelevant to mark him. If 15 year old killer bee wasn’t defeat by it, why would adult itachi?
The only relevant opponent minato marked and defeated was 13 year old kid Obito and adult Obito that was being held by black zetsu. That’s it, if marking with ftg means victory he would hit killer bee and madara.
Ftg mark ain’t doing shit even because susanoo can instally appear. “Remember Kirin which travels at speed of light?” Do y think minato ftg + rosengan hand gesture are speed of light? Definitely NOT.
itachi can also use 15 kunais at once to counter any ftg kunai coming towards him, itachi way better in the kunai game. “As shown many times”.
by the way I think ftg is ass because using something else to teleport only delay the whole teleportation process.
Itachi Crow Clone Technique negates FTG that is his signature clone technique, where his body disperses into a flock of crows that confuse the enemy.
2. NAGATO/ killer bee/ Naruto:
Itachi fought and saved Killer bee and kmc1 Naruto which was canonically already faster than minato and also itachi defeated NAGATO which is stronger than both Naruto/killer bee which canonically Naruto already stronger than minato. it’s pretty simple here, itachi fought killer bee which minato wasn’t able to defeat even when he was only 15 year old, itachi also fought equal level with Naruto kmc1 which was faster/stronger than minato canonically. itachi is relative in speed with adult killer bee and kmc1 Naruto which canonically was said to be faster than minato. So no ftg success there.
3. AMATERASU:
Amaterasu can literally burn all those ftg kunais or rock or floor or whatever he marks. Minato will not be the target of Amaterasu but the things he use to teleport. Amaterasu just need to target the things he uses to teleport which are either stoped or not fast enough ones meaning easy target. Kunais are like 5 inches, the whole uchiha hideout area itachi burned with Amaterasu is like a few hundred thousand sqft and he burned all that area when he was spamming Amaterasu for over an hour so I don’t see why itachi can’t burn a few 5 inch kunai with absolutely no effort. Again remember the size of uchiha hideout.
4. SUSANOO:
susanoo and kyuubi are at the same brutal power level and guess who killed minato? Wasn’t it kyuubi? Susanoo is fast enough to react to Kirin speed of light so he can definitely react to a ftg + rosengan hand gesture.
5. GENJUTSU:
I don’t see why minato wouldn’t get caught in a genjutsu, just because Obito and madara canonically never tried genjutsu on their main opponents doesn’t mean itachi wouldn’t. Itachi is literally the dude that uses the most genjutsu.
itachi genjutsus are 4: kotoamatsukami, tsukuyomi, IZANAGI, and regular genjutsu. Itachi has 4 ways to put minato in genjutsu: 1/ by crows flying everywhere like he did to Naruto filing the whole field of fight with genjutsu crows, 2/ finger genjutsu like he did to kakashi, 3/ looking in the eye genjutsu and 4/ kunai reflection as show before. Do y really think minato can escape all these ways of itachi genjutsu? Itachi the master of genjutsu? Think again buddy because the series showed you don’t need to look at itachi to get caught on his genjutsu just ask kakashi and Naruto. I hope minato is not bold enough to try to fight itachi with closed eyes because itachi will obliterate him.
Explaining more:
1.Finger Genjutsu: Itachi can cast genjutsu by simply pointing at a target, bypassing the need for direct eye contact.
2.Crow Genjutsu: He frequently uses crows in his techniques, allowing him to create illusions involving flocks of crows.
3. IZANAGI: izanagi dont need anything to activate and he can activate it in case he get killed, and then counter attack the attack that killed him at the right time so he can kill his opponent. Lose an eye for a definitive victory. Izanagi can also be activated before the fight even start like madara did and you can also include conditions. You can actually shape reality to your own like with this ability.
OHER ITACHI ABILITIES:
1. Crow Clone Technique: Itachi's signature clone technique, where his body disperses into a flock of crows that confuse the enemy. Negate FTG.
2. Body Flicker Technique (Shunshin no Jutsu): Itachi can move at extreme speeds, appearing to teleport short distances.
3. Tactical Genius: Itachi is renowned for his incredible intelligence, strategic mind, and ability to anticipate and counter his opponents' moves with precision. itachi is always 5 steps ahead of everyone.
CONIDERATIONS:
People like to bring up reaper death seal which is the only thing minato have that will actually work here but so would totsuka blade. Both are top level sealing jutsus and as soon as minato uses it itachi will also use totsuka blade and both will seal each other at the same time.
Also people like to mention that Raikage dodged Amaterasu and minato is faster than Raikage. First of all minato body speed is not faster than Raikage body lightening speed. There is a difference between speed and teleportation. When Raikage fought minato, minato was teleporting everywhere. That’s is not speed that’s teleportation. Body lightening enhancement speed is a better counter to Amaterasu than FTG teleportation because FTG uses kunai to teleport delaying the whole teleportation process and Amaterasu is going to target the kunai instead of minato himself. Resuming, raikage speed can’t hit minato teleportation, but raikage speed can dodge Amaterasu, but minato can’t dodge Amaterasu because minato himself will not be the target of Amaterasu but the kunais he uses to teleport. Those kunai need to be thrown and they gonna burn before reaching itachi and thats for sure.
@tonypaca3015 Itachi Glazer and Minato Hater spotted, Don't you get tired of being pregnant with all the dickriding you're doin?
Its called being hyperbolic
Minato finding out Obito’s kamui weakness in just a few seconds is certainly one of the most impressive feats that I have never seen in the manga. Remember that it took a lot of time for Kakashi, Gai, Naruto and Konan to find a way just to touch him…
It’s a really nasty feat
Additionally, not only did Minato figure out Kamui, but he also figured out that Obito wanted to end the battle quicker due to the fact that Obito was controlling Kurama, and therefore Minato took advantage of it.
People saying Tobirama would have an amp are wrong, he’d probably be even weaker because he’s fighting two uchihas to save thousands of uchihas, he’s definitely getting nerfed with that or joining the two😭
I don't hate orochimaru for stealing people's body but not using reanimation technique to bring young prime hiruzen is the real reason he is the villian.
Grudges man LOL
Probably just wanted to spite him 😂
he would need prep to do that
Or they come back how they left.@@antoniopraide6855
if he did that then he would have hurt tobirama's feelings since prime hiruzen > tobirama so then definitvely all the other hokage would have been above tobirama lel
I LOVE HOW TECHNICAL YOU ARE. I LOVE YOUR VOCABULARY. A VERY INTELLIGENT MAN YOU ARE
Appreciate it goat
Been a while since I did this.
Hashirama: He stomps
Lil’rama: Racism amp carries
Prime Hiruzen: He should be fine
Old Hiruzen: Cooked
Minato: He gonna blow obito’s back out again
KCM Minato: He stomps
Tsunade: Itachi no diffed Orochimaru at this age so tsunade getting cooked
Danzo: Cooked
Hokage Kakashi: This oughta be interesting but Kakashi should win from I been hearing
Naruto: He stomps
Shikamaru: Can’t even beat his own wife
Bro was briefly retired
low-key based of the boruto power cliff shikamaru should pretty much one shot.
@@Virhtue Itachi has many different things in his arsenal that can instantly kill minato unlike minato’s arsenal. Starting with Amaterasu, tsukuyomi, kotoamatsukami, IZANAGI, susanoo, totsuka blade, Crow Clone Technique, Body Flicker, Tactical Genius, etc. Itachi doesn’t even have to look at you to put you in a genjutsu “explanation ahead”. Comparing both by the time of their deaths because comparing edo tenseis is irrelevant because both are immortals.
1. FTG mark:
Being marked by minato ftg and lose is the greatest joke i have heard. 15 year old killer bee was marked by minato and still end up in a tie with him, during the war minato also marked the kunai under madara’s feet which is basically marking him because madara wasn’t aware, minato tried a sneaky attack and lost an arm because of that. if the oponnent you marked is at same speed or faster than you then its irrelevant to mark him. If 15 year old killer bee wasn’t defeat by it, why would adult itachi?
The only relevant opponent minato marked and defeated was 13 year old kid Obito and adult Obito that was being held by black zetsu. That’s it, if marking with ftg means victory he would hit killer bee and madara.
Ftg mark ain’t doing shit even because susanoo can instally appear. “Remember Kirin which travels at speed of light?” Do y think minato ftg + rosengan hand gesture are speed of light? Definitely NOT.
itachi can also use 15 kunais at once to counter any ftg kunai coming towards him, itachi way better in the kunai game. “As shown many times”.
by the way I think ftg is ass because using something else to teleport only delay the whole teleportation process.
Itachi Crow Clone Technique negates FTG that is his signature clone technique, where his body disperses into a flock of crows that confuse the enemy.
2. NAGATO/ killer bee/ Naruto:
Itachi fought and saved Killer bee and kmc1 Naruto which was canonically already faster than minato and also itachi defeated NAGATO which is stronger than both Naruto/killer bee which canonically Naruto already stronger than minato. it’s pretty simple here, itachi fought killer bee which minato wasn’t able to defeat even when he was only 15 year old, itachi also fought equal level with Naruto kmc1 which was faster/stronger than minato canonically. itachi is relative in speed with adult killer bee and kmc1 Naruto which canonically was said to be faster than minato. So no ftg success there.
3. AMATERASU:
Amaterasu can literally burn all those ftg kunais or rock or floor or whatever he marks. Minato will not be the target of Amaterasu but the things he use to teleport. Amaterasu just need to target the things he uses to teleport which are either stoped or not fast enough ones meaning easy target. Kunais are like 5 inches, the whole uchiha hideout area itachi burned with Amaterasu is like a few hundred thousand sqft and he burned all that area when he was spamming Amaterasu for over an hour so I don’t see why itachi can’t burn a few 5 inch kunai with absolutely no effort. Again remember the size of uchiha hideout.
4. SUSANOO:
susanoo and kyuubi are at the same brutal power level and guess who killed minato? Wasn’t it kyuubi? Susanoo is fast enough to react to Kirin speed of light so he can definitely react to a ftg + rosengan hand gesture.
5. GENJUTSU:
I don’t see why minato wouldn’t get caught in a genjutsu, just because Obito and madara canonically never tried genjutsu on their main opponents doesn’t mean itachi wouldn’t. Itachi is literally the dude that uses the most genjutsu.
itachi genjutsus are 4: kotoamatsukami, tsukuyomi, IZANAGI, and regular genjutsu. Itachi has 4 ways to put minato in genjutsu: 1/ by crows flying everywhere like he did to Naruto filing the whole field of fight with genjutsu crows, 2/ finger genjutsu like he did to kakashi, 3/ looking in the eye genjutsu and 4/ kunai reflection as show before. Do y really think minato can escape all these ways of itachi genjutsu? Itachi the master of genjutsu? Think again buddy because the series showed you don’t need to look at itachi to get caught on his genjutsu just ask kakashi and Naruto. I hope minato is not bold enough to try to fight itachi with closed eyes because itachi will obliterate him.
Explaining more:
1.Finger Genjutsu: Itachi can cast genjutsu by simply pointing at a target, bypassing the need for direct eye contact.
2.Crow Genjutsu: He frequently uses crows in his techniques, allowing him to create illusions involving flocks of crows.
3. IZANAGI: izanagi dont need anything to activate and he can activate it in case he get killed, and then counter attack the attack that killed him at the right time so he can kill his opponent. Lose an eye for a definitive victory. Izanagi can also be activated before the fight even start like madara did and you can also include conditions. You can actually shape reality to your own like with this ability.
OHER ITACHI ABILITIES:
1. Crow Clone Technique: Itachi's signature clone technique, where his body disperses into a flock of crows that confuse the enemy. Negate FTG.
2. Body Flicker Technique (Shunshin no Jutsu): Itachi can move at extreme speeds, appearing to teleport short distances.
3. Tactical Genius: Itachi is renowned for his incredible intelligence, strategic mind, and ability to anticipate and counter his opponents' moves with precision. itachi is always 5 steps ahead of everyone.
CONIDERATIONS:
People like to bring up reaper death seal which is the only thing minato have that will actually work here but so would totsuka blade. Both are top level sealing jutsus and as soon as minato uses it itachi will also use totsuka blade and both will seal each other at the same time.
Also people like to mention that Raikage dodged Amaterasu and minato is faster than Raikage. First of all minato body speed is not faster than Raikage body lightening speed. There is a difference between speed and teleportation. When Raikage fought minato, minato was teleporting everywhere. That’s is not speed that’s teleportation. Body lightening enhancement speed is a better counter to Amaterasu than FTG teleportation because FTG uses kunai to teleport delaying the whole teleportation process and Amaterasu is going to target the kunai instead of minato himself. Resuming, raikage speed can’t hit minato teleportation, but raikage speed can dodge Amaterasu, but minato can’t dodge Amaterasu because minato himself will not be the target of Amaterasu but the kunais he uses to teleport. Those kunai need to be thrown and they gonna burn before reaching itachi and thats for sure.
Can't even beat his wife is crazy lol.
Minato (normal) is getting cooked, this Obito is much stronger than he was when he first fought Minato, plus the itachi team up, Minato is meeting Rin
Minato: "You'll need to master the nine tails to defeat him."
*Obito dies to Konan*
Minato:....
Lol. Though to be fair, Konan had a lot of prep time for what she did and there are only 2 characters that can single-handedly pressure Obito in that way without any prep time:
Naruto and Hashirama.
Both have the chakra and fighting styles (especially Naruto with his kage bunshin) to just continuously barrage Obito for 5 minutes straight with large scale explosive attacks to get around Kamui.
Never forget Danzo killed the strongest Uchiha with some prep 😂.
True
Obito n Itachi comparison makes sense
For sure!
NGL two uchiha teaming up is so disgustingly savage 😬
It’s a nasty duo for sure
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Tobirama mid diffs them both. He was bodying uchiha who casually had izanagi in his time.
Tobirama is ass. He got beat up by kinaku
@@DatsLegitness do we have any proof that kinkaku & Ginkaku aren’t exceptionally strong? Serious question cause the shows makes them seem strong.
@@treeztop they got beat up by Darui (jonin)
@@DatsLegitness under much different circumstances, yes. But tobi fought more than just those two. I think he fought their whole squad.
@@treeztop yeah tobirama got cooked by 20 ninja & kinaku l. It’s stated it was the kinaku unit which implies ginkaku wasn’t there. So he got cooked by kinkaku and 20 ninja. Minato mowed down atleast 50 of them in the blink of an eye without suffering any injury. Tobirama is just ass. Hiruzen who’s stated equal and or above Tobirama implied he can handle them himself.
I really don't think vs Hashirama is a cut and dry stomp.
Obito and Itachi synergizing together should allow them to punch _well_ above their weight class.
Like what does Hashirama actually do if Obito just tells Itachi to sit in the Kamui dimension with his Susanoo up and strike with the totsuka blade as soon as he sees a portal pop up?
Hashirama's overwhelming strength doesn't really matter when Obito can just Kamui himself and Itachi away to avoid the damage. They also should both be able to use Izanagi at least once if worse comes to worst. Obito's main problem vs Hashirama solo is that he just can't do any meaningful damage; the totsuka blade addresses that problem.
I'm not saying it's an auto win, but it's a pretty significant win-con.
This is arguably the most broken hypothetical duo in Naruto.
Unless they just get blitzed off rip I honestly have a hard time seeing them losing badly in pretty much any non six paths level matchup.
The uncomfortable conversation people are scared to have about Hashirama haha 🤣. It’s the truth though that’s most likely what would happen knowing his reputation and him not knowing theirs besides they are uchiha. People have been weird with these vs battles.
You bring up some very valid points.
Unfortunately, if the two of them try to stall by hiding this gives Hashirama the opportunity to go into sage mode.
With danger sensing this makes the wind calm moot.
I really like your critical thinking though. Like it was fun actually having to think about the matchup.👍
@@___________0Z0X Thanks.
_"this gives Hashirama the opportunity to go into sage mode."_
Damn that's a really good point. I would've argued that Hashirama doesn't tend to go into sage mode immediately, but it only makes sense for him to do it if he loses sight of them.
To be fair I only said it's not a cut and dry stomp for Hashirama. They have to retreat basically as soon as Hashirama enters sage mode, but he can't keep it up forever and they can try again later.
It'd be a mickey ass W, but hey: they're ninjas 🤷♂.
@@whispr_2ME hey man, you just got me thinking is all.
After I read your comment I had to pause for a bit because you cooked man!
You don’t?!
the picture of Hashirama just getting super pissed off one day, and deciding he felt like leveling the entire Uchiha compound because of Madara would be a hilarious situation. Bro just walks in, hands fall from the sky, and no one can do anything about it.
bro never runs out of ideas
You know what’s up my friend🔥
Ngl this a fire idea
Thank you!
I feel like if obito didn’t give up his other eye his susanoo would make him unbeatable
Yes
While I agree that Hashirama and Minato would definitely win, way too much evidence from the manga to support it. That said, I also believe that in both cases it would be more challenging than it seems. Itachi and Obito together are arguably the most haxed ninja duo ever (aside from Six Path Naruto and Sasuke), that canonically existed.
In Hashirama's case, I don't think he'll purely just go with his big wood golem or buddha statue. Just like how Naruto didn't summon Gamabunta against Sasuke in their first valley of the end and be like "my giant toad is here, gg". It's just not practical against these type of fighters, especially with a guy that just becomes intangible and can warp people into another dimension in basically the blink of an eye. Now, as to how he'd fight differently I can't really comment on (we don't see much of how he actually fights). What I can see him do however is go the Konan route and continuously barrage the battlefield with kage bunshin and woodstyle to keep pressure on Obito (if and once he figures out kamui) and Itachi. That's how I see him kind of nullifying their hax.
In Minato's case, I see the battle being more of "no room for mistakes from either side and precision timing strikes". Both sides have to go for instant wins. Minato has the clear speed advantage and has proven to take out opponents of this caliber effortlessly. But still Itachi and Obito together are no joke.
Obito could kamui Itachi susanoo and just randomly attack with the sword or AM and counter with the mirror.
bruh minato is really a problem😅😂
Always, bros just a speed demon
The dude is a menace
@@Virhtue i like that
"Speed demon" never seen anyone call him like That That's funny LOL
@@Virhtuei have fun suggestion for a video: which Ultimate jutsu from the storm games, are just for visual coolness and which are more canon( if its confusing, which jutsu are just for fun and which are replicable in cannon. EX: minato ulti jutsu where he teleports like crazy, )
@@rafaelconstantino9736biggest downplay is them not making Minato use flying raijin with multiple shadow clones
Minato glaze is insane. Minato is not close to hashirama or madara... that was a wild statement
Yea Minato is above madara you meatrider. Sharingan cannot react to flying raijin because teleportation has no movements and sharingan works by tracking movements. With teleportation theee is nothing to track and Minato is known as the fastest so there’s nothing madara can do to dodge no stop him (unless he activated susanoo and stays in that form the entire match)
@SageOfSixVidz genuinely retarded lmao. He couldn't deal with obito and kurama and make it out alive. Madara can react to ftg and has shown so in the war. Madara can still sense his chakra and the chakra in the kunai to react especially because outside of teleportation madara is just faster.
Also even with minato teleporting around he dead still can't hurt madara for a couple of reasons. Susanoo has an instant activation and would immediately neg any attempt minato makes on top of blowing him back. And even funnier is minato straight up lacks the ap to damage madara. Minato does NOT have a jutsu that can rival narutos massive rasenshuriken in terms of ap and guess what?? Madara tanked one with 0 damage and a smile on his face whilst being held by a wood dragon. So its like cmon bruh. Lastly I noticed that you only said madara. Which means you think hashirama wins despite kishimoto the dammed author stating hashirama and madara are equals and honestly if hashirama didn't resort to a sneak attack while madara was talking hashirama would've lost at the valley. So for madara and Hashirama to literally be neck to neck in power and skill of you say minato beats madara then you're saying he beats hashirama too. And you yourself don't even agree with that idea so you need to wake up, read a databook maybe, watch some better madara and Hashirama scaling or something, or just pay attention to the manga. Cause you guys are an embarrassment in this thread. I should not be having to explain what should essentially be common sense
@@SageOfSixVidzhe gets washed he was getting played with by teen obito😂. ems alive madara is stronger than naruto and sasuke before they got six paths amp. and hashirama could oneshot an amped version of him
@@vert6537 lack of reading comprehension I guess. Minato not only one shotted obito but also canceled the genjutsu that was on the nine tails. Toyed with. Choose better verbiage when you debate bro.
@judgemasterneimaz8260 you're the one lacking reading comprehension. When you replied to me you called me a madara meat rider which implies that you believe minato beats madara but not hashirama when kishimoto himself has called them equals.... if you actually read naruto in it's entirety you would actually see hashirama only won due to stabbing madara while he was of guard and talking to him. so realistically if minato loses to hashirama he loses to madara.. the two of them are combat power are 🤏🏾 this close. So either say minato beats both or neither.
Also you should know from reading that susanoo's activation is instantaneous. So all madara has to due is activate any lower stage of susanoo and minato is getting blown away from madara. Not to mention madara outside of teleportation is just fast enough to keep up with minato. The fact that Madara causally reacts to blitz attemps from kc2 naruto when hokage minato is compared to kcm 1 should really tell you something. So considering madara speed blitzed naruto's full power avatar which believe it or not is faster than kcm 2.... madara is actually just able to casually react to minato. Especially when he isnt teleporting. Also since madara is a sensor he can and will sense the chakra on the kunai to know what he is doing and where he will teleport. We literally see madara counter ftg on panel lol so ftg isn't enough to save minato.
Also the most fun part is minato doesn't have the ap to damage madara considering he took a massive rasenshuriken with no damage.. what jutsu does minato have that surpasses that in ap?? A regular rasengan 😭😭. Even just madara's sword was blocking bijuu bombs from the 9 tails and less than half of the susanoo had formed... and what's even crazier is he got bombarded with 1000 hands and albeit he blasted most of them away he still tanked multiple hits from the buddha statue. Minato does not have the ap to actually kill this tank
whether you like it or not minato gets ran down and killed vs hashirama or madara. He is a tier above everyone else but still below hashirama and madara. Basically in the same position as obito. Stronger than most of everybody but still below the characters that are blatantly depicted and stated to be the peak of shinobi. God's of shinobi.... so before you call out someone for reading comprehension, try comprehending authors' intent, data books, and basic power scaling because you clearly don't if you think minato wins.
I love your videos man
I make them for comments like these my friend
@@Virhtue Bro ur one of the best naruto youtubers if im being honest the quality of ur content and the ideas u come up w for vids r top tier
Virhtue forgot about Tobiramas racism boost he gets from fighting Uchihas
Tobirama’s racism is a crazy point
😂
I like how you gave the weaker hokage higher interpretations so they stand a chance.
do u edit these vids urself ?
Yes
Her best asset isn't healing, its her upper portion.
* Assets
Do a dms kakashi vs juubidara video because I think dms kakashi beats madara but some people think dms kakashi is weaker than even juubito
Kaguya just appearing is stated to far more powerful than Juubidara who was stated to be stronger than Juubito, she then absorbs a ton of chakra from the Infinite Tsukuyomi to fight Naruto and Sasuke (who got stronger after fighting Juubidara) causally overpowering and blitzing them multiple times. Then Kaguya absorbs so much more chakra that Zetsu states her power and speed have increased exponentially. DMS Kakashi proceeds to react to this more powerful Kaguya's attacks and speed blitzes her with a Kamui Raikri.
DMS Kakashi ~ Chakra Absorbed Kaguya > Base Kaguya >>>>>>>>>>>> Juubidara > Juubito
@@newaceoftheuniverse5948 dms kakashi cant beat madara he only take speed and agility
Also juubito>Dms kakashi
@@ispeakfacts6867 juubidara does not have a spacetime ninjutsu so kamui gg
DMS Kakashi has a timer so he loses like 8th gate guy
@@GeneFOX70finallly somebody with an actual brain. i have been making this argument for months now lol.
We should start giving tobirama edo tensi for win cons.Hiruzen says his tandem combo is his specialty.
So A good win con Is him just using bringer of darkness to blind them,and get a shadow clone, and edo to fodderize a young itachi.While he him self just pressures obito to run.Obito almost sucked an off guard Minato Tobirama was more attentive compared to Minato fighting jubito.
Dont try and use that juubito nonsense to try and say tobirama> minato in any way. Minato obviously was in a daze and even if we did grant u that, he is admittedly slower than Minato
His tandem was special for its common scenario
@@ramikpark8387 You don’t have to say Tobirama over KCM Minato.But you do have to acknowledge Tobirama’s awareness was the highest of the group.He shouldn’t get beaten by the first kamui swipe.Which gives him time to have a strategy.
If a younger Obito could give minato a challenge, there’s no way Minato wins if you add Itachi on his team
Minato glazing, ya gotta ignore these fans
Not even glazing but where did Obito give Minato a challenge? And I’m talking hand to hand, no 9 tails distraction, no going after his pregnant wife and child, just straight up hands, mind you before he even faced Obito 1 v 1 he teleport a beast ball and the 9 tails out of the village and still no dif Obito, so where was the challenge, and even Obito was banking on Minato being tired after or being in a tough spot after all that and he still lost.
And also are taking Minato at when he died or is he still alive after the 9 tails attack?
@@progamer_otaku65421. Minato showed no fatigue after teleporting the tailed beast bomb so it’s an irrelevant thing to point out, on top of this obito is the one who’s linked with the full 9 tails in general, I would think that cost more chakra.
2. 9 tails wasnt a distraction, minato himself already said obito was the bigger threat and that he needed to get rid of obito first. He also said that obito was in a hurry due to the seal on the 9 tails weakening so they BOTH were in a rush.
3. Minato didn’t no diff obito, minato himself said the winner would be by a a split second diffence meaning the winner would win with a single attack and remained unharmed. So it would look like he no diffed obito if u ignore the writing, but the truth is he won that fight by a split second. So an adult obito beats minato let alone him having itachi by his side.
@@dc5855 see you smoking crack also
i would say obito was above itachi but like konan itachi would find a way to kill obito due to his intelligence and like he said more knowledge of him and his abilites. i would say obito obviously wins in a straight up fight but give itachi prep time and knowledge and he could find a way to kill obito just like konan did that isn't far fetched. obito is stronger yes but he was wary of itachi's intelligence
Virtue u need a membership my guy
I’ve thought about opening it up and giving some extra vids I never editing out for the members and what not, maybe a private discord to talk to me
@Virhtue you have potential! I've seen your shorts and many of them cut off at the end. You could do livestreams or discord as well. Or more laid-back nonedited videos. Opinionated videos like your thoughts on scaling chains or character abilities. Shoot if you game that could work too. I just thought you had a membership but turns out you don't xD.
Do we know if Itachi had the susano around the era of the uchiha massacre? Let alone the Yata Mirror or Totsuka blade?
I ask cause Orochimaru said that he didn’t know had Itachi acquired them at some unknown point.
Cause they have a history that predates Itachi apparently for Orochimaru to know about them.
No we don’t, if you listened in the beginning I said we will grant it for clarity
@@Virhtue For a 2v1 giving him the mystical weapons is definitely overkill when paired with Obito? They can literally kamui away and send out the T.sword for offense and the Y.mirror for defense.
Everything else MS wise is fair game, but in every versus 1v1 both Obito and Itachi clear 99% no matter what anyways.
@@Virhtue Ah my mistake than.
@@Virhtue Itachi has many different things in his arsenal that can instantly kill minato unlike minato’s arsenal. Starting with Amaterasu, tsukuyomi, kotoamatsukami, IZANAGI, susanoo, totsuka blade, Crow Clone Technique, Body Flicker, Tactical Genius, etc. Itachi doesn’t even have to look at you to put you in a genjutsu “explanation ahead”. Comparing both by the time of their deaths because comparing edo tenseis is irrelevant because both are immortals.
1. FTG mark:
Being marked by minato ftg and lose is the greatest joke i have heard. 15 year old killer bee was marked by minato and still end up in a tie with him, during the war minato also marked the kunai under madara’s feet which is basically marking him because madara wasn’t aware, minato tried a sneaky attack and lost an arm because of that. if the oponnent you marked is at same speed or faster than you then its irrelevant to mark him. If 15 year old killer bee wasn’t defeat by it, why would adult itachi?
The only relevant opponent minato marked and defeated was 13 year old kid Obito and adult Obito that was being held by black zetsu. That’s it, if marking with ftg means victory he would hit killer bee and madara.
Ftg mark ain’t doing shit even because susanoo can instally appear. “Remember Kirin which travels at speed of light?” Do y think minato ftg + rosengan hand gesture are speed of light? Definitely NOT.
itachi can also use 15 kunais at once to counter any ftg kunai coming towards him, itachi way better in the kunai game. “As shown many times”.
by the way I think ftg is ass because using something else to teleport only delay the whole teleportation process.
Itachi Crow Clone Technique negates FTG that is his signature clone technique, where his body disperses into a flock of crows that confuse the enemy.
2. NAGATO/ killer bee/ Naruto:
Itachi fought and saved Killer bee and kmc1 Naruto which was canonically already faster than minato and also itachi defeated NAGATO which is stronger than both Naruto/killer bee which canonically Naruto already stronger than minato. it’s pretty simple here, itachi fought killer bee which minato wasn’t able to defeat even when he was only 15 year old, itachi also fought equal level with Naruto kmc1 which was faster/stronger than minato canonically. itachi is relative in speed with adult killer bee and kmc1 Naruto which canonically was said to be faster than minato. So no ftg success there.
3. AMATERASU:
Amaterasu can literally burn all those ftg kunais or rock or floor or whatever he marks. Minato will not be the target of Amaterasu but the things he use to teleport. Amaterasu just need to target the things he uses to teleport which are either stoped or not fast enough ones meaning easy target. Kunais are like 5 inches, the whole uchiha hideout area itachi burned with Amaterasu is like a few hundred thousand sqft and he burned all that area when he was spamming Amaterasu for over an hour so I don’t see why itachi can’t burn a few 5 inch kunai with absolutely no effort. Again remember the size of uchiha hideout.
4. SUSANOO:
susanoo and kyuubi are at the same brutal power level and guess who killed minato? Wasn’t it kyuubi? Susanoo is fast enough to react to Kirin speed of light so he can definitely react to a ftg + rosengan hand gesture.
5. GENJUTSU:
I don’t see why minato wouldn’t get caught in a genjutsu, just because Obito and madara canonically never tried genjutsu on their main opponents doesn’t mean itachi wouldn’t. Itachi is literally the dude that uses the most genjutsu.
itachi genjutsus are 4: kotoamatsukami, tsukuyomi, IZANAGI, and regular genjutsu. Itachi has 4 ways to put minato in genjutsu: 1/ by crows flying everywhere like he did to Naruto filing the whole field of fight with genjutsu crows, 2/ finger genjutsu like he did to kakashi, 3/ looking in the eye genjutsu and 4/ kunai reflection as show before. Do y really think minato can escape all these ways of itachi genjutsu? Itachi the master of genjutsu? Think again buddy because the series showed you don’t need to look at itachi to get caught on his genjutsu just ask kakashi and Naruto. I hope minato is not bold enough to try to fight itachi with closed eyes because itachi will obliterate him.
Explaining more:
1.Finger Genjutsu: Itachi can cast genjutsu by simply pointing at a target, bypassing the need for direct eye contact.
2.Crow Genjutsu: He frequently uses crows in his techniques, allowing him to create illusions involving flocks of crows.
3. IZANAGI: izanagi dont need anything to activate and he can activate it in case he get killed, and then counter attack the attack that killed him at the right time so he can kill his opponent. Lose an eye for a definitive victory. Izanagi can also be activated before the fight even start like madara did and you can also include conditions. You can actually shape reality to your own like with this ability.
OHER ITACHI ABILITIES:
1. Crow Clone Technique: Itachi's signature clone technique, where his body disperses into a flock of crows that confuse the enemy. Negate FTG.
2. Body Flicker Technique (Shunshin no Jutsu): Itachi can move at extreme speeds, appearing to teleport short distances.
3. Tactical Genius: Itachi is renowned for his incredible intelligence, strategic mind, and ability to anticipate and counter his opponents' moves with precision. itachi is always 5 steps ahead of everyone.
CONIDERATIONS:
People like to bring up reaper death seal which is the only thing minato have that will actually work here but so would totsuka blade. Both are top level sealing jutsus and as soon as minato uses it itachi will also use totsuka blade and both will seal each other at the same time.
Also people like to mention that Raikage dodged Amaterasu and minato is faster than Raikage. First of all minato body speed is not faster than Raikage body lightening speed. There is a difference between speed and teleportation. When Raikage fought minato, minato was teleporting everywhere. That’s is not speed that’s teleportation. Body lightening enhancement speed is a better counter to Amaterasu than FTG teleportation because FTG uses kunai to teleport delaying the whole teleportation process and Amaterasu is going to target the kunai instead of minato himself. Resuming, raikage speed can’t hit minato teleportation, but raikage speed can dodge Amaterasu, but minato can’t dodge Amaterasu because minato himself will not be the target of Amaterasu but the kunais he uses to teleport. Those kunai need to be thrown and they gonna burn before reaching itachi and thats for sure.
have you done minato (vs obito and kurama version) vs itachi and nagato (edo versions) if you haven’t can you do this
I’ve done this in Edo Nagato and Itachi vs each hokage
@@Virhtue oh mb😭
Itachi takes fugaku eyes and gets ems + totsuka blade, yata mirror plus takes a couple sharingans for izanagi dude claps everyone
I would humbly encourage Virthue, Lonk's Tales, Yacine, ThunderGod, and Six to stop doing the EXACT same types of videos over and over again with a different franchise.
Lonk's Tales at least does wacky shit like Can Hercules survive Five Nights' at Freddy's. Maybe try a wacky scenario, or at least don't fall into this rut of "can Itachi/Obito/the Hokage/the Sannin/the Akatsuki fightthe Espada/do better in the war/defeat Kisame/defeat Minato?"
* Can Kara defeat the Akatsuki?
* Edo Madara vs Madara in his prime
* How would Konoha fare after Hurricane Helene?
* Could the Konoha Rookies capture Sadam Hussein?
* What if Major Metallitron hunted down Naruto?
* Could Naruto survive the Basilisk Ninja Scrolls?
* What if the Pillar Men existed in Naruto?
* What if Naruto had One For All?
* Naruto vs Kara
* Kara vs Madara Uchiha
Just, you know, stuff you don't see a lot of.
This is what the people want to see and of someone as such a caliber of my knowledge and articulation can’t just switch in the blink of an eye
Yeah I know they are the same comments of the previous video but, i think they fit with the Itachi/obito against Minato section of the video and maybe some people will respond or even @virhtue
Ok I’ll explain why itachi wins point by point and why Minato is overrated in this video but it’s gonna be long anyway, so take popcorns.
1. Itachi is the most suitable person to counter Minato as the Flying Raijin offensiveness mostly works by placing a seal over a kunai to be thrown and then teleporting to where the kunai was thrown. From the beginning we have always been shown Itachi training with kunai and being so strong that he can throw the kunai and immediately after, hit the same kunai thrown a second earlier with another kunai and hit all the targets. All this with his eyes closed. Kabuto himself in the battle against Nagato states "I thought that the greater field of vision provided by the rinnegan summons would be enough but Itachi is so good with the kunai that he manages to find a blind spot to use to hit the targets. He is actually too strong." To counter flying Raijin it would be enough to do what he has always done, that is, deflect the thrown kunai. And this is a very probable scenario as the power of the flying Raijin itself also depends on the user's ability to throw the kunai as the weapon mainly used for it. Itachi, being certainly with evidence and statements the best in this, he would have no problem deflecting the kunai thrown by Minato. A similar scenario happened when Ems Sasuke has thrown 3 shuriken at Kabuto and Itachi immediately deflected all of them, to stop Sasuke from killing Kabuto. In some battles, Minato throws kunai scattered across the battlefield to create a favorable scenario for the use of the flying Raijin. To counter this, Itachi could use amaterasu to make the points or most of the points where the kunais are stuck unusable. Then like I said Minato to kill his opponents uses mainly the flying Raijin with his kunai. Like he did against Obito or against Killer Bee and Ay. Realistically to kill someone Minato needs to teleport near him and the simplest way is to throw the kunai near the opponent and then teleport. So the flying Raijin techinque depends for the majority on the skills of the person in kunai and shuriken jutsu. Itachi is stated and shown through the entire naruto matarial to be the best user of kunai and to deflect kunai like it’s nothing with his eyes closed or to blitz Nagato’s summining’s vision with Kabuto admitting he’s the best. So Itachi can just deflect all of Minato’s kunai since he’s stated to be better than anyone in kunai and so better than Minato. Also Itachi was shown to be so fast with hands movements that not even kakashi with the sharingan was able to see it. So he can throw the kunai faster than Minato. Yeah minato can mark other things and not only kunais, but it would be useless since the main victory factor comes from blitzing the opponent with ftg using kunai. To assume that Minato can kill Itachi without his kunai we have to concede the fact that Minato has prep time and so an advantage. Minato would not have any time to mark trees or other things. The only way that he could is that Itachi let him do so, but that would never happen. Also minato can mark you with the ftg seal but to do that he must get close to you and touch you but without ftg is improbable that he can do it and I’ll explain in the second point.
2. Minato was regarded as the fastest shinobi only because of ftg, his reputation of being so fast comes from him using ftg and not because his so fast with his normal speed, since we have no real proof or statements of him being that fast without ftg. Every time someone talks about minato’s speed is in reference to ftg. Shisui was stated to be the best body flicker user of all time meaning better and so faster than minato, and so the reputation of him being the fastest shinobi it’s not in reference to body flicker. Then in the battle against yellow mask obito we clearly see both of them going at the same speed, move at the same time and speed and even obito blitzing minato with his chains, with him escaping only because of ftg. If minato was really that fast normally, like it is explained in the video, he wouldn’t have needed ftg to escape from obito’s chain since he could have effortlessly avoid it with his normal combat speed or body flicker. Minato had the upper hand in speed only because of ftg since without it he was never shown moving faster or blitzing obito in the fight. So if minato is Kcm2 Naruto level of speed, also yellow mask obito is at that level since he was shown to move and run as fast as minato without ftg. But we all know that it doesn’t make sense to have yellow mask obito at kcm2 level of speed.
3. Then for the kurama feat where he summons gamabunta, there’s no real proof that suggest minato running through the entire village and jump so high to go above kurama. The only plausible explanation is him using ftg to do that feat or like teleport somewhere near kurama and then get close to him and throw a kunai over kurama, since to make a jump that high you need to be fucking goku or fly and we have never seen any shinobi jump so damn high with his normal strength. Then the fact that kurama haven’t even noticed him is because he was focused on making the bijou bomb so he wasn’t paying attention to anything
4. Then we have Itachi’s speed scaling. Itachi has shown in every aspect better feats than Ems Sasuke against Kabuto. He is shown superior in combat than ems Sasuke, more faster, reacting faster and better to kabuto’s attacks, while protecting his brother, telling him what to do, and all of that while suppressing his power and while preparing all the stages for the activation of izanami. Edo Itachi by feats is shown above Ems sasuke without even going all out, with all restrictions that comes from protecting Sasuke and preparing the activation of izanami, since from the beginning his goal was to put Kabuto under izanami and almost every action was for the activation of it. And that’s edo Itachi who’s weaker than his alive healthy counterpart that is taken into consideration in the video. Then Itachi in the databook statement, about Sasuke being equal to him, says that he recognize Sasuke as his equal but that could just mean that he doesn’t see him like the little brother who needs protection but instead a skilled ninja like him who can cooperate and help him, more like a status thing, and that’s supported by the fact that against Kabuto Ems Sasuke was not shown equal to Itachi in almost every aspect. The same Ems Sasuke was shown relative to mkcm1 Naruto who’s by feat relative and for some reasons above or at least faster than early kcm2 Naruto(the same early kcm2 Naruto who was compared to minato by kakashi). But even if we assume that minato is really fast like kcm2 Naruto without ftg, Itachi is not so behind that level. In fact, since he’s faster than Ems Sasuke who’s relative to mkcm1 Naruto, he should be at least near kcm2 Naruto level by some degree and so near minato’s speed. But if we take into consideration that early kcm2 Naruto was compared by kakashi to minato, then Itachi could be faster than him since he scales higher than mkcm1 Naruto who’s at least in speed by feat above early kcm2 (feat like reacting better to white mask obito who blitzed early kcm2 Naruto with wood style meanwhile mkcm1 Naruto could react to obito's surprise attack from behind). Meaning minato would not speed blitz him since they are in a similar tier of speed and surely Itachi can at least react to him, without even mentioning the susanoo who’s faster than Itachi himself and so even more near kcm2 Naruto tier of speed.
5. There is also a statement that can be used to scale Edo Itachi. Kabuto stated in chapter 585 that Itachi is the finest foil in his Edo tensei, meaning his best Edo tensei. Above even edo Madara who is also one of Kabuto’s Edo tensei foil. Kabuto has witnessed Madara fighting against the alliance and was aware of most of his top abilities: Tengai Shinsei, Six Paths / Rinnegan, Hashirama's power, Susano'o, etc. Also it's fair to say that Kabuto had a strong grasp on Madara's overall power level, even if he wasn't privy to certain skills and techniques. Despite that he regards Itachi as his best Edo tensei. Some people can argue that Kabuto said this but not in reference to Itachi’s power, but in the overall statement kabuto mentions not only itachi’s intelligence and that he knows many secrets, but also his power and jutsu (“and you also had many jutsu and much power”) meaning that Kabuto was also referring to itachi’s power and justu when he stated that he’s better than any of his Edo tensei. Then to support even more the statement in reference to also power, Kabuto in the sentence “and my pawns are part of my power” wants to underline that Edo tensei pawns affect his own power. So the stronger the pawn is, the stronger Kabuto himself is. If Madara is so much stronger than edo Itachi, than Madara would be the finest foil of Kabuto and he would prefer him over Itachi, since he would overall gain and benefit more from controlling Madara than Itachi. Like Itachi, Madara is an uchiha, has the mangekyo sharingan and bore many secrets, the only difference is in jutsu and power. Despite all of that, Itachi with his intelligence, many jutsu and power, is seen better than Madara by Kabuto, and so he would benefit and gain more from Itachi than Madara. With that statement Itachi has a comparable scaling to that of minato of the video. The same Kabuto in chapter 580 says to Itachi, “what sets you apart from the rest of your uchiha brethren is that you have true ocular powers, the ability to peer into and read people’s souls and use what you learn in battle” With that statement Kabuto says that Itachi has true ocular powers with the ability for Itachi to read people’s soul and use that in combat which is a thing that no uchiha can do, except him, not even Madara. For Kabuto Itachi has true ocular powers and not Madara. So it’s not so improbable to think that Itachi is (also narratively at this point) at least (maybe above) Edo madara’s level who is relative to kcm2 level combatants, and that’s also
consistent with the speed scaling of Itachi being near or at kcm2 Naruto level.
6. Minato is not immune to genjutsu and tsukuyomi and if he does what he's done in the fight against obito, like looking his opponent in the eyes then it would be over for him. Minato is shown in character to look at uchiha’s eyes despite knowing it’s dangerous, and despite knowing his opponent is “Madara”. So why would minato avoid eye contact with Itachi if not even with Obito he did that, despite knowing his strong ocular power? So he would probably do the same thing against Itachi since there’s no proof of him avoiding eye contact when facing an uchiha. The only one who can fight without looking his opponent directly in the eyes is stated to be Guy, something Minato can't do. Some people can say that with sage mode he can but Minato stated "actually i'm not good at senjutsu. It takes too long to knead that chakra and i can't maintain it for a long time. I've never really used it in an actual fight". Minato literally states that he's not good at it and that he never used it in a battle. So even with itachi he would most likely avoid using sage mode. Furthermore, Itachi can create an illusion even just by pointing at you, or touching you, so it's not just the eye contact that matters. Minato has no valid proof of him being able to resist or escape from itachi’s genjutsu and we all know with evidence that Itachi can put almost everyone if he wants under genjutsu and also at the very begging of the fight, without the opponent even noticing that. Like he did against Deidara where he puts him under genjutsu the very first time Deidara looked into itachi’s eyes. With Kisame stating “from the get go, the moment you looked into itachi’s sharingan you were trapped”. So since minato would not avoid in character eye contact is very probable that Itachi at the very beginning of the fight puts him under genjutsu or even tsukuyomi, maybe without minato even noticing it. And surely Minato would at least for some time look into itachi’s eyes, so it’s very probable to happen. Also the statement of Sage, of minato sealing sharingan power with his sealing jutsus doesn't make sense since he's never been shown of being capable of doing such things and not even with obito did that. So why do that against itachi? Even if we concede that he can, he's shown in character not to do such a thing, since he has not done that against Obito when he could possibly do that.
7. We can also say that Itachi has knowledge and intel advantage over minato. As a highly skilled shinobi prodigy, Itachi studied Konoha's history, leadership and jutsu extensively (like it’s said in the novel Itachi shinden), allowing him to learn about Minato's accomplishments and abilities even without having met the Fourth Hokage directly. So he knows about Minato, his reputation, strength and jutsus. He will surely use that informations in battle, and come up with a plan to beat him. Like when, after seeing the chibaku tensei for the first time, Itachi immediately came up with a plan to counter it. Or just like Kabuto said in chapter 580 where he stated that Itachi, with his true ocular powers, can peer into and read people’s soul and use the informations he gets in battle. So almost immediately Itachi can think of a way to beat minato. While minato does know nothing about Itachi and his abilities, making him unaware of what he’s capable of. This is a huge advantage for Itachi, who can use those informations about minato to have the upper hand, find his weakness and outsmart him. What people need to realize is that itachi’s true power doesn’t come from his raw strength or even jutsus, but from his intelligence. His main weapon is his intelligence. In fact he outsmarted almost everyone he faced off, and nothing can prove that Itachi cannot outsmart minato, the same Itachi who is smarter and better in battle iq than the fourth hokage.
Hashirama stomps. Tobirama gets stomped. Minato wins. Hiruzen gets stomped.
If Tobirama loses base mInato gets destroyed yeah im saying it.If the fight needs more then speed tobirama is just strides better than base Minato.He has a bunch of anti Uchiha moves that will be more useful here.
@@Archer170true but he lost to the gold and silver brothers and 20 other shinobi obito beat like 20 s rank mist shinobi he and itachi could develop a plan to catch tobirama off guard with their level of genius
@@MickKing-og6xouse feats that we've seen for example the war arc.Tobirama is able to surprise jubito with speed whom is able to easily block amaterasu EASILY.So saying tobirama loses to 2 characters that are way lower than jubito is pure madness
@@vaughnjackson6297 why would you use the feats in the war the argument is each hokage at the time of when they were the hokage not as a reanimated soldier the way I look at it if he uses the edo tensi with paper bombs and has no ethics its arguable other wise no way
tobiramas body flicker is slower than minatos
0:10 The Senju and Hyūga are also in contention for that spot, amongst others.
0:19 It is worth noting Itachi did not have to face two of the strongest Uchiha, Shisui and Fugaku, and also got a free pass on Mikoto (however strong it would be), and much of the problem that Obito dealt with was the non-fighting population.
0:27 Not sure what "strongest set" means, but Itachi and Shisui were also the "strongest set" before, technically.
1:00 Yashiro, one of the five strongest Uchiha in the clan, completely kowtows to Obito, so Itachi's relation to the clan is sort of a moot point when Obito also surpasses all of them.
2:00 He clearly did not grasp Kamui since his Amaterasu trap completely fizzled against it.
2:10 So did Tenma, a relatively no-name genin who just had a talent for genjutsu. Seems Obito traded in potency for area of effect. Also, the wording is a bit off. He did not it break it without using his Sharingan, he did not even have Sharingan until after Obito left. Itachi not faltering later on does not prove relativity to Obito, either. Konan was confident in killing Obito one way or another, but was obviously outclassed. Obito having Konoha as a goal also does not mean he would have to go through Itachi; Kurama comes last regardless, and he gets to use Itachi as an asset and then get Sasuke to replace him when he does, he just needs to wait, which is well within his plans.
3:20 If Konan knew all about Obito, he would also probably be dead. Intelligence goes a long way. It has nothing to do with relativity, unless one wishes to assert Konan is as well?
4:15 That is not really said in the novel, and one could argue the opposite since Itachi hardened his heart after killing Izumi. He told Obito he had already been broken by the darkness for a long time before.
4:52 It did not actually kill Yashiro. He was still spouting gibberish (so his brain was not completely destroyed) when Itachi decapitated him, causing his death.
5:20 It was not telepathy. Obito is actually surprised to se the reason he called him, since all it did was just alert Obito that he is being pinged, to his location.
6:23 Could be argued he does not want his newly minted pawn to burn out.
3:35 That is not the Phoenix Sage Fire technique.
6:42 They look relative on that page. Probably need to substantiate that claim.
7:35 That could just be a regular metal pipe.
8:30 It is not stated to be a third, and it is actually stated to be his strongest long-range ninjutsu, so presumably it has higher attack potency than the Amaterasu.
8:55 Both were going relative, and Itachi does not amplify his chakra by progressing his dōjutsu.
11:15 Does not help that it is also an inferior Wood Clone whilst that is actually Tobirama's body. The term is Seal of Confrontation, also.
16:28 Feel Tobirama's Water Dragon is a more obvious example.
18:05 Itachi thought the Uchiha were delusional in their plans, and even Hiruzen's own student underestimated him at a point in time even after the planned kidnapping, so it is likely the Uchiha even more strongly underestimated a younger, stronger Hiruzen.
19:55 This analysis for Hiruzen also should conclude with a "buff" of a few years as I imagine the Hiruzen being placed against Itachi and Obito could be the younger Hiruzen of that time.
20:38 unless Hiruzen smells him coming from behind him. Even Minato was able to feel Obito appear behind him, and he is probably less capable in that area than Hiruzen.
21:45 Feel they would not be including the Hokage in the list, more so other active shinobi. Shisui was not a notable shinobi according to the birthday columns until after Minato died.
23:58 He was already making the seals before it was fired.
25:00 VIZism. In Japanese, he just question if it is Minato, not saying it has to be/can only be him.
25:14 Shikaku was not referring to a seal, he was referring to a time-space barrier. Those are different categories altogether.
30:50 Chōza sort of implies Tsunade may have surpassed the other two Sannin by the time of the Fourth Shinobi World War, for what that is worth.
It’s stated for the Uchiha
Yes, that is what contention means.
@@Arcadia_warlic no body contends a statement, contentious is typically defined as a heated or intense disagreement, there isn’t one considering there is a statement, silly
There are statements that other clans are also potentially the strongest. Given it is mutually exclusive, amongst all of the statements, it could be said there is contention, or dispute.
We don't know if Itachi had Amaterasu during the massacre right? This is assuming Obito and Itachi during the canon storyline? I can't see them working together during their Akatsuki days
he didnt have MS during the massacre. Actually its likely he got it right after.
@@spadelcdhe had it
Why do people keep saying itachi broke the genjutsu? He avoided it because he was on guard. Only 1 person broke out and he is no longer with us
So Itachi has better and more ware senses than Anbu black ops? This is why people usually run with broke through because it’s a more charitable interpretation to Obito
This idea is fire 🔥
I think Obito + Itachi can beat Minato in a close fight tho.
Why so?
@Virhtue I believe the level-headed mind of Itachi will be of immense aid to Obito
Itachi himself is as intelligent as Minato. Their Chunin exam results paint a picture of relativity (in terms of battle IQ) at that age.
Obito will have someone who will constantly remind him to focus and not underestimate their opponent, so we will probably see a better performance from him. And Itachi himself has never underestimated an opponent. I believe that being in a fight that has to end quickly against the Hokage will prompt Itachi to use his MS techniques asap.
If Minato lacks Intel and keeps staring at Itachi, then Tsukuyomi GG. But if not, then I can see a situation where Itachi creates enough pressure for Obito to get the bfr.
naruto so strong u didn't even bother putting him in the video
That’s how you know; he boxes and killing alien gods he’s one tapping the entire Uchiha compound
Minato would individual beat them
But in a 2 vs 1 he will get eaten
Maybe
@@Virhtue »maybe » admit that you just wished more comments, or either you are delusional
I think the yata mirror deflecting “Any and all attacks” is a bit hyperbole. I’d say it can deflect whatever it has shown to deflect and nothing more. Sounds like a massive NLF. Feats > Everything else (including whatever author says).
hold this like comment blitz fam. i told you to work on ur reflexes. 😴 another epic vid
Love it
pretty obvious this guy is a hokage glazer.
hashirama win 8/10
tobirama wins 3/10
hiruzen 1/10
minato 4/10
tsunade 0/10
itachi and obito would be basically 2v1 each of them how does minato win..
Minato loses 1v1 against each of them,hes overrated bcs he’s cool which i agree, hashirama loses to them itachi is a big problem with tsukuyomi or amaterasu
Yea you gotta be smoking crack bro, where the fuck you getting these numbers from? And Itachi and Obito ain’t holding a candle to Madara and you’re telling me Hashirama is winning 8/10, the guy that tamed all 9 tailed beast and gave them out to other villages, and feet that Itachi and Obito wouldn’t even achieve in their dreams, I need to have what you’re having fam.
@tsukuyomiinfini9962 nah hashirama wins he's to powerful. But any other hokage loses in that 2v1
@@tsukuyomiinfini9962braindead take minato cooks both 1v1
I laid that out already, so give me your disagreements
I fell like itachi and obito lose to hiruzen just because of reaper death seal and has a lot of jutsu and i don't think obito can phase for that long if i'm correct.
Is he fast enough to use them?
I understand that minato is superior to tobirama but how is “way faster than tobirama” to a point where people don’t think he could simply teleport out of almost being sucked away from orange mask Obito ? Or teleport behind Obito before he could put himself back in kamui dimension?
Minato is not way faster than tobirama the war arc shows this vs jubito
@@vaughnjackson6297 I don’t think he is “way faster” either but he is faster. I just think the gap between their speed sometimes is exaggerated and the gap between Tobirama and people slower and weaker than him is downplayed based off one off feats or loose assertions.
Minato is like 15 perception blitz levels above Tobirama
@@Virhtue Sure
@@Virhtue prove it buddy🤣
Why did you not include Naruto and kakashi
Pretty interesting hypothetical
You know what’s up
Wait the data book said susanoo couldn't be absorbed by pain. And kamui wouldn't work on it. But sand does. No i ignore that it doesn't seem right. Tamari is universal remember.
They hardstomp every hokage, for hashirama case im sorry but he has nothing to deal with tsukuyomi ( 0 Knowledge so not closed eyes 😅)
Hashirama had the bringer of darkness that orochimaru used against 3rd homage. I think it's a tobirama technique. So he has it also.
Besides Hashirama , Naruto And maybe Minato (But he would need KCM to beat Them both) everyone Else Gets mopped probably
You forgot DMS Kakashi
@@dylanoliver9703True
@@dylanoliver9703he didn’t have that as hokage
Hokage Kakashi blitzes and oneshots both
@@stephenking2895 oh yeah Sorry lol
He Lost Them
I had forgotten
But even still
He probably cuts Them in half With a speed blitz
Why would you title in the massacre but then give Susanoo unlocked Itachi which he did not have then. If Itachi had susanoo during the massacre hw wouldnt need Obito to take care of the police force. Should have just been titled Itachi prime and Obito pre war
He had ms…
He got Ms/susanoo before the massacre lol
You dont unlock other abilities until further progression. Neither Kakashi nor Obito used susanoo immediately. Sasuke unlocked MS and didn't immediately unlock susanoo. Shisui canonically never had susanoo, and to our knowledge neither has Sarada yet.
Point is, Itachi needed Obito's help taking on the Uchiha because he couldn't do it alone. If he had susanoo in his arsenal, it would had been more than sufficient to carry a solo mission.
Didn’t like the fact that Naruto and kakashi weren’t included just because of their strength level. He says each hokage and Dosent include all of them
I’ve done it once and didn’t get a single comment
The minato being hashirama tier agenda is strong here, i like it lel
9 tails said it. It's valid. Hed know
@@Antonio-vn5xc I ain’t disagreeing with it, just like it’s being represented. Base Minato > base hashirama is very consistent, multiple ways to prove it
@@spicyboi544 Base Hashirama actually has zero quantifiable Feats aside from having About 10-20% more chakra than KCM2 Naruto
@@kaizel2264 he can beat kurama in base, its shown in a flashback so thats something (puts him below minato still though since he took damage from doing it)
@@spicyboi544 well I still have hashirama over but to be on someone's level doesn't mean you can beat them. Madara is on hashiramas level but can't beat him. Minato stomps these two
Everyone except hashirama minato and naruto gets cooked
Agreed
Hokage Kakashi folds Itachi and Obito too.
@@NirmanTamang Uchiha fanboys clearly didn't watch Naruto... 😂🤣 Y'all be doing overtime on yuh knees for these overated bums. This isn't Shippuden Obito and Itachi. 😐 Hashirama is obviously not supposed to be included in this. He one taps both at the same time. Tobirama bested izuna with ease. I don't think I need to go into all the reasons why he sparks them. Especially considering how he had EMS Sasuke shook!! Minato made obito look like he didn't belong when they faced each other!! Plus he has a similar moveset to Tobirama which is a hard counter to the Uchiha. He clears with ease!! Hiruzen took on Orochimaru, Tobirama and Hashirama all at once while being out of his prime. He also knows every single jutsu in the leaf! He clears! Are we including the Hokages after the 4th? If so Tsunade is the closest match here but Tsunade took on Madara and did well, carried the team a few times. Unless Obito uses the genjutsu he used on the mizukage right from the get go, I don't see them getting this done. Hokage Kakashi CLEARS!! He's literally stronger than DMS Kakashi, stated by multiple official sources. Do I even need to say anything about Hokage Naruto??!! 😭😂 This isn't close!! The Hokages takes this at this point in the series with ease.
@@RoundOfApplauseChannel well tobirama doesn't even need a discussion..he obviously stomps both cause they are uchiha..I agree on that Point....but where is it stated that hokage kakashi is stronger than Dms kakashi...I thought hokage kakashi was stated to be superior to his base war arc version ..with no statements related to dms kakashi
@@NirmanTamangyeah in his light novel its stated that hes stronger than the base version of him in the war arc cuz no chakra drain from the sharingan and purple lightning to replace chidori
I don’t think hashirama is fast enough for obito if we take the kcm2~om-itachi narrative
Everything was expected except the 8/10 in favor of Minato. 5 years a fan and I’m still learning. Naruto is built diff than other anime im sorry yall
There is a lot of information in this series
@@Virhtue there really is a lot in the details
Obito and itachi might mop everyone.. hashiramas power is kinda irrelevant to obito.. but obito can’t get hashirama.. with itachis help they might
Tsukuyomi one shot anyone since they have no knowledge
The thing is with the hokages all of them hard counters uchiha even tsundade was capable of fighting a weaker variant sussanoo and madara just playing around still a greater threat than obito and itachi together
Yo when is the Sakura video dropping
When I feel the compassion for its topic
Why are Madara and Hashirama just KCM 2?
Prove they are above. To do such your claim would have to be that Hashirama, who is combatively slower than his wood style which in Golem form is equal to Kurama and Madara’s Susanoo. Therefore in proving such you have to assert that either Madara or Hashirama have a speed beyond there Susanoo and wood styles that are both faster than themselves or just concede that full Kurama is much greater than KCM2
They should be under kcm1 if we’re being real & sage mode hashirama is like kcm1.5
@@DatsLegitnesshun naruto never quite surpasses hashirama in strength until sage of six paths mode and madara was his equal so they are like if this existed kcm2.4 cuz the can fight for 24 hours straight against each other the mode only lasts for like 8 minutes
@@MickKing-og6xo not true. Sixpaths Naruto 1 shotted tentails absorbed rinnegan/sharingan madara in his “base” with lava style rasenshuriken. If it was that easy this tells me if you take away sixpaths from either of them Naruto would still be stronger since he’s stronger with it.
@@Virhtue I agree. EMS Madra and the Hashirama at the valley of the end being KCM 2 is fine by me. However, reanimated Madara and Hashirama (which means he got stronger since the last time he fought Madara) would mip the floor with KCM 2 Naruto.
Obito dunks on itachi
Lmao 🤣 the hate is wild
You don’t even know what he stabbed Konan with but I’m supposed to listen to the rest of the video?
It’s a chakra receiver
@@Virhtue no it’s a metal pipe… he didn’t even have the rinnegan yet to be able to to do that
Yea ima unsub the Minato glaze is actually cringe mybad boss
Its even worse than the « itachi > kaguya because zetsu said hes invincible »
How about you present disagreement to his higher scaling and I’ll debunk to show you why I’m presenting the most consistent basis
@@Virhtue debunk Bee intercepting and countering/ stalemating Minatos FTG
Minato was 14 when he fought kurama not 15
Nah you half to take his age from the Rasengan creation
Am I tripping or does he compare adult itachi the whole time ? That massacre happened when he was like 15 ? Why is he comparing adult itachi
He was twelve/thirteen during the massacre and I prefaced that I will be taking Itachi just after the massacre which is likely very relative to his Akatsuki days unless you can prove he got stronger through that time despite not training?
@@Virhtue I mean I would say he’s weaker not stronger when he slaughtered his clan and he didn’t have a mangekyou or just got it maybe I’ll get the whole idea wrong I thought the video is about when a hokage would be in Konoha to stop the massacre could he defeat them before they massacre the uchiha
@@noeljonah7248well he got sick from illness so perhaps adult itachi is weaker he just has more experience
hiruzen slaps both.
?
Dawg I can’t cap, if this isn’t prime, your tripping
Itachi i will kill you. Years later itachi is dead and never learned enought to actually kill obito. Why does this trip so many up.
Yeah
Everyone but Kakashi and tsunade wins
Kakashi is stronger than Hashirama
@@Virhtue lol
Tobirama wins matches base hashi which is more than enough and tobirama is equal to it minato loses was struggling against a weaker obito this doesn’t make sense.
Sm kabuto over Itachi tbh
Why so?
@@Virhtue Itachi needed Sasuke help in his fight with Kabuto even tho Itachi used more power against Kabuto than what he used against Nagato, on top of that most of the attacks Kabuto did that hit Itachi would have killed him if he wasn't an Edo. Also Sasori>deidara>kisame
Minatos Transportatiom IS Teleportation.
Just as Nightcrawler from XMen teleports. Its just a different mode of teleportation
I’m aware; however in setting a consensus for the community, I have to use transportation as teleportation because that’s generally considered instantaneous
@@Virhtue I hear you
Yay 🤍
Excitement
🙄 dazed minato
Yeah he was clearly dazed
Minato speed bitz anbu Itachi,hes not on obito 13 yer old level when obito was fighting Minato
obito going have his rematch
Obito was 18 during the Nine tails attack btw, the only source where you get 14 is the manga
@@Virhtue isn't Kakashi like 31 fourth great ninja war
Hashirama slams both no diff
Tobirama lose
Hiruzenl lose
Minato lose
Tsunade lose
Agreed. Though I would say If Hashirama gets caught in Tsukiyomi or Kamui world then it’s gg.
@@zerox6615 hashirama legit was on par and stronger then madara
Itachi and obito doesnt stand a chance
@@ispeakfacts6867 Never said Itachi and Obito stand a chance in a straight up battle. But on the unlikely chance Itachi hits Hashirama with Tsukiyomi or Obito manages to suck in Hashirama into the Kamui dimension, Hashirama loses.
@@zerox6615 he wouldnt Get caught by neither of These But even If he does
Hashirama fighting two characters he would make wood clones
@@ispeakfacts6867 facts
Hashirama would beat The Whole akatsuki With Obito Pain And Itachi there Just like Madara would too
I only see hashirama and naruturd winning
Minato is an idiot who looked a uchiha straight in the eyes the first time he met one, especially since he thought it was madara of all people, he gets cooked by any genjutsu from eye touchy or obito. And unlike the reveree flash whos an actual speedster, he cant phase through the shit
I only bring up reverse flash becahse a certain someone insisted that thawne loses to this overrated fodder, and no its not virtue
"minato is an idiot" so we just didnt read the series huh
@@AidenB1010not an idiot but he gets shitdiffed by the duo
Is Naruto
Any one of these Hokages SPARKS these 2 Uchihas at that point in the story!! This is not even remotely close, what's the point??
It’s close in a couple of the match
@@RoundOfApplauseChannel bruh what?? These are of the most broken ms wielders in the series.
@@Virhtue Not really. I'll try to explain and hopefully TH-cam doesn't take down my comment. Hashirama is obviously not supposed to be included in this. He one taps both at the same time. Tobirama bested izuna with ease. I don't think I need to go into all the reasons why he sparks them. Especially considering how he had EMS Sasuke shook!! Minato made obito look like he didn't belong when they faced each other!! Plus he has a similar moveset to Tobirama which is a hard counter to the Uchiha. He clears with ease!! Hiruzen took on Orochimaru, Tobirama and Hashirama all at once while being out of his prime. He also knows every single jutsu in the leaf! He clears! Are we including the Hokages after the 4th? If so Tsunade is the closest match here but Tsunade took on Madara and did well, carried the team a few times. Unless Obito uses the genjutsu he used on the mizukage right from the get go, I don't see them getting this done. Hokage Kakashi CLEARS!! He's literally stronger than DMS Kakashi, stated by multiple official sources. Do I even need to say anything about Hokage Naruto??!! 😭😂 This isn't close!! The Hokages takes this at this point in the series with ease.
@@stephenking2895 Check my response. This is also early Itachi and Obito. Stop applying feats that come later in their journey to their early selves. Makes yuh look “limited..."
@@RoundOfApplauseChannel what feats that come later in their did I apply??
They still have tysukinomi kamui and Amaterasu. Itachi still wiped out the entire uchiha police force by himself. Obito still controlled the nine tails and fought Minato. They are still cracked at this point. Why would u assume that one is applying feats that come for later points in the story. Makes yuh look “limited…”
14 likes in 18 minutes?! nah bro fell off fr
Creative comments fell off even harder. Not even life alert can get that ish back up
Fr, so down