Mr Bates vs The Post Office: The Real Select Committee - Nadhim Zahawi & Paula Vennells
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- Footage from ITV's Mr Bates vs The Post Office is followed by the full exchange between Nadhim Zahawi and Paula Vennells at the real Select Committee hearing about the Post Office Horizon scandal on February 3, 2015.
Business, Innovation and Skills Select Committee Hearing
Participants:
Nadhim Zahawi MP
Paula Vennells
Angela Van Den Bogerd
Ian Henderson
The ITV drama combines Ron Warburton and Ian Henderson into one composite character, Bob Rutherford.
Mr Bates vs The Post Office © ITV Studios 2024
Business, Innovation and Skills Select Committee Hearing © UK Parliament 2015
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surprisingly the real version is better than the ITV one
It’s these two that should face criminal charges
Actually far more than those two . If you Google Private Eye + Post office scandal you get a crystal clear and very thorough 7 page report on the whole sad mess .
This clip is all the evidence that is required for paula vennels to face criminal charges. Lie upon lie upon lie.
What's upsetting in general about parliamentary questioning is that if you lie there the worst that can happen is you are held to be 'in contempt of parliament'. The punishment for this is... nothing. A statutory public inquiry is different. Not only can you be compelled to give evidence (failure to do so without reasonable excuse is criminal offence), but if you lie to an inquiry that is a criminal offence. I don't actually see that she's lying here, necessarily. She is just claiming not to really understand what has been requested and withheld. If it turns out she was fully briefed and part of the decision that was made to withhold the documents, then it does appear that she is lying.
@@yetanotherstronk Except that the privilege against self incrimination can be taken advantage of in a public enquiry.
The ITV show was utterly compelling, drama of the very highest order. But this, the actual scene being played out in real life takes the whole thing to an even greater level.
Those two women are hopelessly, this really needs to be fully in the hands of the police.
These post office executives (and others involved in the cover up) should be in prison.
@brightphartRich, white, upper middle class, Christian criminals almost never face justice. Anyone hoping to see Vennells prosecuted is in for a big disappointment. She's going to enjoy her gold plated pension in her multi million pound Bedfordshire mansion.
It's fraud that they committed which is a criminal offence. By that I mean, they carried out deception in order acquire a financial gain. They should go to jail.
Vennells must face a very long Jail Sentence, without fail.
The dramatised version actually waters down the real version of events. Appreciate Zahawi has found himself in hot water over taxes in the past year or so, but he was on fine form here.
indeed, credit where its due. In 2015 he was doing his job well
Michael Howard would be proud of these two's inability to answer a simple yes/no question.
There's been quite a few potential future politician material unearthed by this enquiry! (Highly evasive types.)
Once you start to lie , theres no going back , Nadim was brilliant .
Well done Nadhim Zahawi - an (albeit rare) example of a politician getting it right.
For a change, he truly is amazing here.
Both these women need locking up!
MrPants1970 lol what a brilliant name you have lol 😂
Zahawi playing the part of an MP who does his job properly
Paula and Angela both belong in jail. But no, they get bonuses, directorships and CBEs instead 🤦♂
Went after them, fair play to the lad. Amazing line of questioning.
I despise Zahawi, but he did a good job here hounding Vennells.
The "vicious vicar" in full swing...!
It is simply stunning to directly witness such levels of arrogance and hypocrisy.
These two are liars.
Imagine, at your place of work, some money goes missing. You get blamed. If you deny it you are threatened with court resulting in prison. Or if you admit it you just get a suspended sentence or community punishment. So to avoid prison you admit guilt. Over and done with you think. Then your company sues you for court costs because you were found guilty, you owe £350,000 in court costs. Your life ruined. This company is called the Post Office. Their logo is " whatever you need us for, we're here for you". They spent £100 million in expensive lawers to try to avoid paying £58 million in compensation. The class action saw the incorrectly convicted see £20,000 in compensation after court costs. The executive salaries were between £250,000 and £500,000. Post Office investigators were given bonuses for every Horizon conviction
Paula Vennells is evil.
Two outright barefaced liars.. should be in jail
2:32 did the CEO really say “it is about the reputation of the Post Office”…how can she believe that..surely it is about the truth and justice!
The gruesome twosome, destroyed peoples lives then left to get high paid jobs elsewhere..... shocking 😢
The Post office does the impossible by making Tory MPs look good in comparison
😂
@namefinder
Tory: asks a question
NotATory: starts to answer
Tory: SHOUTS
Fuck the lot of them
he shouted cos she was gonna spew some shite
@@dan32767
I nearly spat my morning coffee out! Just goes to show how badly they handled the scandal if they can make Zahawi look competent!
@@dan32767 Because she starts answering her own question, not the question that was asked.
Post office is clearly shameful
The real committee dialogue is more outrageous.
They have to cut it down for TV and dramatical purposes
This is what happens when you run the government as a corporation.
I’m a Texan-American where privatization of government entities have been allowed to propagate; infiltrating (and often, ‘changing’ the laws) for their own profit, at the sake of the workers.
I thought the UK was better than that.
I agree with the principle of your point, but the Post Office is publicly owned in the UK. Much of the public sector in the UK is institutionally corrupt or incompetent, let alone the greedy, unscrupulous private sector. The one difference is that corporate criminals can usually be prosecuted. Here, the chief executives in the public sector just move to a different position or get a gold plated retirement. No one is ever held accountable.
@@Illustraful
Did they not learn anything from the Aberfan disaster??? Not holding political officials accountable has a tendency to prevent other major disasters!
@@tetchuma Look up Sharon Shoesmith Baby P scandal and it'll tell you all you need to know about the public sector in the UK.
@@Illustraful
Wow. That case is truly disturbing.
Hats off to Zahawi on this one….they wriggled, dissembled, disseminated and lied and were seen to do so….9 years later they’re still do it….
Paula and the other hard-faced cow should be brought to justice.
And someone in government thought it a good idea to give her a CBE?
NAME THAT PERSON, WE NEED TO KNOW !
In theory honours are handed out by the monarch of the day, so in this case the late Queen, but in fact honours are recommended by the Prime Minister of the day, so it depends on who was in no. 10 when she received the CBE. Honours can also be nominated by members of the public, but my guess is that hers was recommended by the Prime Minister.
Both need to go to prison, such a big cover up and Paula needs to have her CBE taken away immediately.....
Glad they have now been named and shamed....
And pay back her huge pension!
@@philh8288 Absolutely!!!!
The Post Office needs to pay back the money they took from the subpostmasters.
And more for destroying their lives.
Disgusting 🤮
Jail is the only place for these liars
The answer is this. We cannot provide the files because if we do the games up and we're going to jail.
She needs to hand back her golden hand shake and if not she needs to go to jail. How thick are the judges to think after getting a new computer system in that over . r 700 postmasters become thieves
Paula Vennells walked into being the chair of an NHS Trust with the help of Dido Harding. Yet another example of failing upwards.
From Alexander’s Excavations blog:
Dido Harding the Chair of NHS Improvement was personally involved in Vennells’ selection for the Imperial Chair. NHS Improvement has admitted that it gave no ‘specific weight’ to the major litigation against the Post Office nor to MPs’ concerns about the Post Office’s leadership at the time that it appointed Vennells to the Imperial Chair. NHS Fit and Proper Person arrangements are not fit for purpose. They are also under the control of Dido Harding and NHS Improvement, who have delayed in acting properly upon the recommendations of a review by Tom Kark QC into these issues.
You might know more but I heard Nick Ross non exec semi threatened someone who actually raised a voice of dissent when Vennells was selected for this role
@@PJMcInerney I thought you were kidding but I looked it up & sure enough Nick Ross got involved:
... "She was stunned to receive a lengthy 'private' email from former BBC Crimewatch presenter Nick Ross, who at the time was a non-executive board member at the trust, telling her: 'I truly fear you may come to regret your attempts to have Paula Vennells sacked from her existing roles,' and adding: 'I worry that, for the best of intentions, you are pursuing a vendetta that may backfire on you.'"......
@@cdeakerThat's shocking. I wasn't aware of that. I wouldn't be surprised if Ross is keeping a low profile now.
Once you are accepted into 'the gang' usually you get the backing of the other gang members....
@@Illustraful it looks as if NHS Imperial Health have scrubbed Nick Ross off their list of trustees. I compared latest version of page to GoogleCache
I've developed a newfound respect for Mr Zahawi! He absolutely destroyed them 😅
He's a tax evading liar, but yes he did a good job here. Broken clocks etc.
He did a good job but he's also grandstanding. Any decent MP would have done the same. Zahawi is a tax evader who has kept money to himself which could have gone to the NHS and other vital services.
@@Illustrafultax avoidance is not tax evasion.
@@alxdavy Either way, he lied about it until the truth emerged.
Craziest thing about the entire fucking saga surrounding the ITV dramas, the fact that Nadim Zahari fucking played himself
stay off the poison
My respect for Nadhim Zahawi has been enhanced one-hundred-fold!
Zero times a hundred equals ...
The horse-warming tax-dodger deserves no respect at all.
Why wasn’t Vennells punished for obstruction of justice or perjury??? She didn’t want the British Post Office to take its rightful blame and incrimination.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😡🤬
Probably for the same reason that Zuckerburg stonewalled and obfuscated the Senate? If you waffle for long enough, the time for questioning runs out, and you're golden.
I have no qualms about both these women going to jail for a very long time for their shocking willingness to allow innocent postmasters to be jailed or losing their life savings.
Not just them who should be doing jail time.
Karma is coming for the gross incompetents at the post office who are responsible for so much suffering. I want to see Vennells behind bars.
I hope so too, but she needs to be made to pay back her pension first.
What A total horrible BITCH
Can't wait for Paula on Wednesday.......got the popcorn ready! 😊😊😊😊
The real thing is actually worse than the drama
Hilarious when you get a politician asking the questions they want a straight answer when you never get a straight answer out of any of them
To be fair, select committees can show some politicians at their best. I highly recommend watching some of Darren Jones' select committees. He has a genuinely zero tolerance for BS and it's glorious to watch.
@@joeogle7729 I'm sure it does. But why can't they extend that no bs mentality to when someone is asking then a question
I take great joy in watching the pair of them sit there and stew in their own lies. Put them both in prison.
And why are these two women not in prison?
Because it would set a precedence of corporate individuals being held to account for malpractice in public bodies.Its possible after much deflection from vennels and co that the tea lady eill take the hit for their eicked actions
Because they know they kept ministers fully informed further up the chain right into Government from 2010 onwards. There has to be a firebreak otherwise ministers will also have to go to jail. These two have been shredding evidence since 2012 so there isn't an upwards paper trail. The Government know that if these two go to jail, they will start to sing. The only way to keep them quiet is to keep them out of jail. I think you will find that only a few of the lower ranks in the PO and Fujitsu will go to jail. They will be found to have operated beyond their authorisation, it will be found that the former PO Board will all claim that nobody told them that there were problems with the system. Of course it's all complete rubbish but a lie doesn't have to be believable to stand if all the evidence has been shredded. That's why Paula got a CBE in 2019, it was a form of statement from on high that she's got air cover.
After further questions by the MP Brian Bilney it became apparent that Post Office Head of Legal had refused to provide the later files.
both women need to serve time in prison
Still can't believe they got Nadhim Zahawi to do this.
Alot of bad stuff to say about him, but he's on fire here.
This is disgusting, they have nothing but contempt for all the people they have cruelly hounded until their lives and lively hoods were stolen from them. Now it's all about saving their own skins. Justice needs to be served.
Pack your bags for prison
Wicked woman!
So look forward to hear that both of these women are going to prison
I wish.
No chance are those liars going to prison .vennels in a few years will get a knighthood
Wouldn't hold your breath. These people operate above the rules they enforce on the rest of us, or the laws which govern the country, for that matter.
Look at Boeing in America, broke safety rules with the 737 Max which saw two passenger planes go down and kill everyone on board, and nobody has been charged or prosecuted.
Wouldn't hold your breath. These people operate above the rules they enforce on the rest of their own staff, nor appear to be subject to the laws which govern the rest of us, for that matter.
Look at Boeing in America, broke safety rules with the 737 Max which saw two passenger planes go down and kill everyone on board, and nobody has been charged or prosecuted.
Fair play. Straford Upon Avon MP doing his job, and well. Im not usually a fan, but credit where credit is due. Back in 2015!
easy task for him, he's a dreadful MP. His eagerness to be in the Tv drama pretty much somes him up
I don't like Zahawi at all either but he made more of an effort than Ed Davey.
@@chrislong6350 Im no fan of his, but in this case he asked the right questions
but someone who has had to return money back to the taxpayer should never been in this position questioning criminality
*Stratford
Clear evidence that full depth of problem was known by post office management,obviously Vennells should have taken action but was charged with making profit at any cost.The blame must be with Moya Greene the previous ceo when this system was introduced and Ed Davey who refused five to meet with Alan Bates to discuss in 2010 / 2011 and 2012 😡
Ed Davey was the first cabinet MP to actually meet Alan Bates, so repeating that he 'refused to meet' Mr Bates is misleading at best.
@@SIXITHS utter nonsense ( written by Ed “the dead “ Davey 😡
Ed Davey in that position for 2 years lied to repeatedly by Post Office executives.What about Labour Ministers and Conservative Ministers in that post before or after. Are you a Tory supporter trying to put it all on to Ed Davey for political reasons? Sounds like it.
Hearing Ian Henderson contradict everything Angela Van Den Bogerd says right at the end of the clip is dynamite - would love to have seen a few more minutes of this.
You can watch the full session online. I just chose to upload the section depicted in the TV show.
Yep... that was proper brave of him. kudos
If the Post Office had a problem with its IT and this was causing significant branch issues, you would have thought it was in their best interest to get to the bottom of it. After all, how can the business proceed effectively if they are spending time closing down branches and prosecuting their Sub postmasters?? Surely, it was in the best interest of the Post Office to get to the truth so that they could draw a line under it and move on . . . the first step being to scrap the system and seek redress from Fujitsu. What on earth did Vennells and her dreadful colleague stand to gain from being deceptive, evasive and dishonest?? I just don't understand their motivation. As it is, they have destroyed themselves moving forward, done untold damage to the Post Office brand but most important of all, damaged and in some cases, literally destroyed the lives of large numbers of hard working, loyal Post Office employees. Of course, the ridiculous thing in all of this is the fact this Select Committee roasting took place exactly 9 years ago in 2015 and this begs the question - what's been happening since?? The evidence from this committee was damning to say the least and yet here we are, all these years later and it takes an ITV drama documentary to get something done about it. The situation is shameful . . . . .
Vennells is a christian. Religious criminals are the worst and most vindictive.
@@Illustraful 😂😂 As an atheist myself, I’m inclined to agree. Religion . . any religion. . . Underpins untold evils, bigotry and intolerance but I doubt we can pin this on her deluded god fetish.
@@ybliga Not on her specific fairytale beliefs but on the fact that religion instils arrogance, narcissism and judgemental sectarianism into its adherents. In her eyes, these were inferior, godless little people who were liars and deserved no fair hearing, and when she knew they were innocent, she covered it up to save her career. She is without conscience and remorse. Accepting a CBE when she knew how many lives she had destroyed just shows how sociopathic she is.
Follow the money. There was too much money coming in from this 'computer error'. The computer was always in error in their favour. The stupid thing is, if there was fraud, it would show on the computer that they were in the positive, not in the negative. The subpostmasters were literally borrowing from their own savings, friends, re-mortgaging their houses to pay the shortfall. This is not an example of someone stealing the money. When police investigate fraud, they look for evidence of the perpetrator having an excess / extra money/posessions etc that they would not normally have in such a position. When your sub-postmaster turns up in a Bughatti, then you can ask questions, otherwise, look the other way. How rich are the executives and former executives and managers of the post office now?@@Illustraful
@@pclemison Vennells is receiving her gold plated pension and lives in her luxury mansion. She is living off literal blood money. She and Angela van den Bogerd are responsible for multiple deaths. In a just society they'd be in prison for the rest of their lives. Instead Vennells was awarded with a CBE.
I truly hope karma pays them both a visit.
NZ is my local MP (I did not vote for him). I watched this episode very late at night, tired I thought “that’s a very good look a like” till I googled and saw he had a real cameo 😂 tbf here he did a good job, just about the only time I’ve seen him do that in the 8 years I’ve been here
These two women need to be in prison. I am appalled they have got away with this.
Not incompetence… lying and criminality
Truly putrid women. How can they sleep at night.
Neither woman came out of this meeting smelling of roses, even to a layman like myself it seems obvious that the post office hierarchy have been involved in a massive cover up.
YES I agree ! I await the appearance of that idiot A Crozier, he was the PO boss for years during the onset of Horizon, he has a case to answer.
Both of them are liars!
Incompetence at another level
The most obvious question is why the lie about each individual post master being told they were the only one being prosecuted and the attempts to isolate them from each other. The vile Vennels has never been honest about anything clearly
And Vennells received her honour 4 years after this..by the same government grilling her here
It was an All Party Committee, not a Government one.
Do us all a favour Paula...
Are they serios? Do they go under a rock when they join the PO executive team? Are they so closeted in their little world, thinking no one out there can see what they are doing or get to them in any way, that they believe they are immune from social jusice?
Van der Bogerde comes across as an utter liar during this
That’s because she is.
She cares about her own self and nothing else
pushing people to plead guilty knowing they was not .how many of post office bosses gone to jail yet.
She has the nerve to go to church!!
Why does that surprise you? Religious criminals are always the worst.
Isn't that where most morally questionable people go? It's the church for crying out loud - full of as many lies at the post office executive hallways.
If Paula Vennells and Angela Van Den Bogerd were wearing pants they would have gone up in flames by now.
Evil personified. Abject liars. Unbelievable.
Paula Vennells is such a crooko she made Nadim Zahawi look competent.
That last 2 mins or so is just psinful......angela and paula should just say ok we will provide all info ian needs.....end of but no they have to go away first and look into it....just buying time in my book......how vennells is so well regarded in the church is beyond ne......disgraceful.
Religious criminals always look out for their own.
For those who wish to watch the full Select Committee, this is the link:
www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/d05cb9e7-04d0-4d05-8a43-ddd74b1eecc0
The Vennells part begins at ten thirty three in the Parliament video.
Thank you
Thank you!!
@@Twistedsoul1988 I've also uploaded it to my channel.
@@Illustraful I already started watching but i will X2 it on your channel to the point i was at. Thank you again
Thank you for that. The really shameful thing is that the real event took place in February 2015 - and nothing came of it until the TV Drama managed to wake everyone up.
Should be in jail all of em
It isn’t just those two women at fault. There are lots of people at the Post Office and Fujitsu who have a lot to answer for. They’ve perverted the course of justice. That’s a criminal offence and someone needs to respond accordingly, but reducing it down to two women is wrong. You’ve only got to have seen one of the Post Office investigators at the Public Inquiry the other day, absolutely insisting that one of the men whose criminal conviction has been quashed by the Court of Appeal, was actually guilty. That’s a disgusting and delusional thing to say about a man who has been through the courts and judges have seen that his conviction was wrong.
And they gave her a CBE!!! jesus wept
Just fucking corporate word spaghetti
Brilliant casting and portrayal!
Alan Bates smiling at the lies at 5:16
Never trust anyone who starts every sentence with .. so .
Agreed 💯. Their prefacing replies with "so" is a deliberate attempt at deception because its use implies a sincere attempt to be honest and fully transparent - "So, these are the facts".
Unfucking believable? … just answer the fucking question… !!!!!!!!
Suprised that after the tenth time asking and still not getting an answer, Zahawi didn't just go "motherfucker..."
If say for example an employee sent a rude email to another post office worker and that other post office worker reported this issue to their line manager. HR would be informed and they would find any email sent by any employee at any time within minutes and the sender of the rude email would be hung out to dry by HR.
So in this case, how is it that they CEO a doesn’t seem to know fuck all squared about serious allegations and request for information in her organisations emails?
How is it these people can just answer to a public enquiry that they don’t know? That is no defence, any ordinary person saying they don’t know in response to a magistrates question will be deemed to have no defence and therefore guilty of the charge. It doesn’t make fucking sense.
They're liars.
Paula Vennells caught out in more false history. misunderstanding ???
5:14 Alan Bates himself (to the right of Ian Henderson) delighting in seeing the PO bosses squirm!
this whole scandal stinks of cover up
Being a chaplin will come in handy in prison
Chaplain. Though hopefully she'll end up walking like Chaplin. 😂
She won’t go to prison 😔
Why was Vennells not fully aware of everything before going into the hearing?? What kind of department head, is going to leave things like this to others; especially for a highly public and sensitive meeting???🤬😡🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
The more she knew, the worse her position would be. It helps if all she can say is: "I don't know" or "I can't remember".
They knew all them people were innocent and carried on ruining their lives for years and stealing their money. One stands up in church preaching when her decisions and cover up caused people to commit suicide. The two females in the video behaved so disgracefully they should be in prison. I’ll give the MPs involved some credit. What those two women did caused decent, innocent hard working people to kill themselves, be falsely imprisoned and go bankrupt.
Religious criminals tend to be the worst.
Totally agree!!,
They're the biggest hypocrites
@@Illustraful agree
Sadly they got locked into rubbishing the SBMs to protect the system and then found it hard to extricate themselves from the pile of dung they had created
‘SPMS’
Just keep on digging, not advisable when you're already in a vary deep hole - but there we are then eh!
She lied through her a#se….
She is such a liar and shameless as she tries to evade an honest answer
The most horrible women since Rebecca Brookes-Wade.
Thanks for posting. Is that the sound of a couple of jail cell door's opening I can hear? To think that Vennells considers herself a Christian.
Religious criminals are always the worst.
Would appear so@@Illustraful
Its ALL part of her disguise.......People like her will do anything to reach the top, even insulting the CHURCH, if IT succeeds. Disgusting , deserves her forthcoming cell with its bread & water in Holloway.
@@jamesbowskill362No, she's a genuinely devout christian.
The lies from people in power is repugnant mr zahawi isn’t any better he’s lied before.
Yeah excess deaths in the UK, he said no plans to restrict people having a life for refusing medication
The attempted cover up is outrageous, l do agree these two women should be charged , however sending them to prison won’t achieve anything…….do as one of the sub post masters said ‘hit them in there pockets’!
And give them a criminal conviction
Wonder if she still preaches on a Sunday, and if she does.... I wonder how many turn up and what happens to the collection.
Christian crooks can always rely on their fellow Christians.
No she doesn’t preach any more -