Review: Breville Dose Control Pro Grinder
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- Marc and Morgan from Wholelattelove.com review the features of the new Breville BCG600SIL Dose Control Pro Grinder.
Available here: www.wholelattelove.com/product...
Thoughtfully designed to accommodate all forms of coffee preparation, the Dose Control Pro is a timed conical burr grinder. Choose between one of 60 stepped grind settings based on what you’re brewing, dial in your grind time, and go! If you’re grinding for espresso, the Dose Control comes two removable portafilter cradles (designed for 50-54 and 58mm) for hands free operation. Also included is Breville’s unique Razor dosing tool that can be used to level off your grounds before tamping. - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
Can confirm the impeller on the model I just purchased is now metal and not plastic, so hopefully will not be having the reported wear down issues mentioned in the comments. Made my first non-pressured espresso on grind setting 11, good crema and the taste is superior to the pressured filter - very happy with this initial result.
Hi Scott, Thanks for the input!
Marc
Great video, thanks for making it!!
Glad you enjoyed, thanks for your comment!
What is the set up for getting the right grind for a Breville Roma?
Hi Mark, any idea how to make the internal grind size adjustment? I need to go a little finer for my La Pavoni and the instructions aren't too clear. Thx Alan
Hi Alan, I've included a link to the grinder manual. See page 15 for instructions for making the adjustments to the inner burr. What Breville suggests is making adjustments there one notch at a time. There is an indicator on the burr showing which diirection to move for a finer grind. Hope this helps: www.brevilleusa.com/media/mediaappearance/15941/BCG600SIL_USC_IB_C14_Lowres.pdf
do we find that the internal grind adjustments are bigger steps than those when you turn the hopper? And if so by what factor, just wanna get an idea for when I try and dial it in for a new non pressurised machine. thanks
Hi Toby, Great question and one that we've asked Breville about and have not gotten a definitive answer on. Their official line is "...allows you to extend the grinding range to either coarser or finer without the use of tools." in our use of the grinder it seems each step on the burr is larger than the steps on the dial. But there does seem to be a lot of overlap. So it's not like one step on the burr equals a whole new range for the dial adjustments if that makes sense.
Hi Marc,
I'm a home espresso user I am also considering the sette 270, but it's twice the price point. For espresso would you recommend this grinder or the Sette 270? Can the double price be really justified on the Sette 270?
Hi UC, Thanks for the question. The Sette 270 and 270Wi are our favorite appliance grade home espresso grinders. They are fast (a bit louder than the DCPs), very accurate dose to dose with weights - the 270Wi is crazy good with dosing accuracy. The Sette 270's have far better control of grind size with macro and micro grind size adjustments. Long term I definitely think the Settes are worth the price. Build quality is superior to the Breville grinders. And should you have any problem with a Sette Baratza has excellent support. Hope that helps.
Marc
Hey, so I just got the Breville Duo Temp Pro and looking to get grinder. Budget is around 200$, would you recommend this one or another?
Hi, This will be a good match for the Duo Temp and about the best option in that price range.
According to the manual grinde (dose control pro) - 60 grind settings. Does the grinding level switch with a double click (moving the ring is 120 "clicks"), or is it different?
there is a 10 levels (+5/-5) inside the grinder to fine tune
Awesome video guys! What do you guys think would be the ideal setting on the dose control for an espresso grind? Im using the duo-temp with it.
Thanks!
Christo M Thanks for the comment. Start in the middle of the espresso range. Then time your shot. Looking for 20-30 sec for 2oz/60ml. If to fast grind a bit finer. If slow, courser. As you do more shots and “dial in” the grind, keep all other variables the same.
@Christo M I also have the duo temp pro and just purchased this grinder but really struggling to get the perfect settings. I'm having to go to about grind size 5 on the collar to just hit 20 seconds on a 60ml shot. The manual recommends 10 seconds grind time to achieve enough coffee for a double shot I'm finding this time the coffee just overflows and makes a mess maybe its because my coffee is just so fine like powder.
Help would be much appreciated.
Mark Cullender I have the top collar around 10-11 and usually fill my basket on the 8 second timer. I know it is different for everyone but this seems to be ideal for ours!
How does this stack up to the breville smart pro. I mean grinding. Not so much the programming aspect. Do you get the same grind quality.
Hi DD, Grind quality is similar as both use essentially the same burrs.
Marc
Hi, thanks for the video. What do you think of a combo between a Sage Bambino Plus and DCP ? you think it's a good choice for making a good espresso or are there any better options for similar price? Thanks a lot!
Hey b, You are welcome. Since it's a Sage and not a Breville I'm guessing you're not in the US. If you were in the US I'd recommend the Gaggia Classic Evo Pro over the Bambino as they are nearly identical in price. I know that's not the case elsewhere. So Bambino might better fit a budget while sacrificing some build quality. On the other hand the Bambino has some automatic features some users may appreciate. I'm not much of a fan of the DCP. It's been around a long time and there are better options now. Here's a video I did recently with an assortment of grinder which pair well with the Gaggia Classic - they'd also be good with the Bambino: th-cam.com/video/Krh0XzFX1m0/w-d-xo.html
Hope that helps!
Marc
Hi there, what is the grind size for medium-fine? Assuming it is for nespresso reusable capsules.
Hey Wan, Hard to give you a setting number but grind to a particle size similar to table salt.
Marc
Hi. Would you say this grinder is capable of producing somewhat respectable grounds for espresso using the gaggia pro? How does it compare to the sette 30? Wish I could afford the 270. Love your content. Great to hear some Americans that know so much about coffee!
Hi Rich, Thanks for the kind comments and question. The Breville DCP can feed the Gaggia Classic Pro. Honestly not the best choice, but it can work. Compared to the Sette 30 you'll get a clumpier grind and it's a lot slower. If I were choosing I'd go with the Sette 30 over the DCP. Both are limited in precision of grind size control but the Sette has better build quality IMO. Be aware the Sette is louder. Hope that helps!
Marc
You’ve just answered my question too! Although with the sette 30 - can it go coarse enough for French press?
very useful. thanks
Hi Dave, You are welcome and thank you for the comment!
Hi there, would you say this grinder is good for use with the ROK GC espresso machine? Thanks
Hi TK, Yes it can work with the ROK.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage That’s great and thanks for your quick response! Have a great Christmas!
I'd like to know what's the best SIZE of grind and AMOUNT of grind time for a smooth and consistent espresso coffe ? I have a Mr. Coffee Barista Semi Automatic espresso machine.
Hi LF, So your machine uses a pressurized filter basket. With those, grind size is not super critical as it is for standard non-pressurized baskets. But, you do want a very fine grind - it should be a little finer than granulated sugar. Can't really give you a number for your grinder as every grinder (even same make/model) is a little different. As to amount to use, I'd fill the filter basket and then tamp it a bit before attaching to machine.
Got it! thanks a lot
does it do grind consistency by weight? Ive read about Breville grinders doing around +/- 0.8g all the time...
And how about the consistency of grind sizes? are they uniform enough?
Also, the maximum grind time that it can handle before its heat up?
all the suggestions will be helpful. thank you. :)
Hi Raj, Thanks for the questions. Breville's are fairly good at weight consistency when doing timed grinding. There are others that are better but they are of course more $$. Customers report good grind size consistency and very good results when used for espresso where grind size is key. Max duty cycle (% time on vs. off) varies depending on grind size. In espresso size range one dose every 1.5 to 2 minutes. Should only be used to serve a single espresso machine and not in commercial setting. Hope that helps!
Whole Latte Love sounds good. just what I needed to make a decision. thank you. :)
You are most welcome!
what is PERK grind option for? where is the option for V60? something like Medium fine.
Hi Syed, Thanks for the question. Perk is for a perculator www.wholelattelove.com/products/capresso-perk-8-cup For V60 one would use something in the drip range and adjust to your preference.
Marc
Google: Hidden defect in Breville coffee grinders
@@itsJPhere they fixed it apparently, replaced plastic part with a metal one.
Hi Everyone , I had this grinder just under for about 8 months. I had the following problem 3 times. It grinds on settings reguested but sometimes it stops half way through a grind and the grind timer button flashes light and no longer grinds. When electric is turned on and off i can repeat the same process but repeats the same problem again with Grind time flashing light coming on so stopping the grind..😭🤔 I haved tried different beans and the same problem occurs.
Hi AZ, Have you contacted Breville support in regards to your issue? If not here's their contact: www.breville.com/us/en/support/breville-support.html
Google: Hidden defect in Breville coffee grinders
Plastic or metal impeller? Its a well known problem on this grinder but they fixed that on newer models. The metal impeller should solve the problem
Hey I’m having this problem now what was the fix?
I mean it seems the dose pro distributes grinds mor evenly. No faster to the smart grinder. Am I wrong about that?
Hi DD, Esentially the same grinding mechanics. Big difference between the two is features beyond the grind.
Marc
Nice job
Thank you! Cheers!
Ur well
i need something for spices.
Hi, Well, we're more about grinders for coffee for which we recommend burr grinders. For spices, a cheaper blade grinder should suffice. Here's a link to an assortment of quality blade grinders in the $19 - $36 price range: www.wholelattelove.com/grinders/blade
Hi, does anyone here knows who to judge the Breville Smart Grinder Pro burr has worn out? How do we know which one? Upper or lower burr?
Hi K, Burr replacement is usually judged by the total amount of coffee ground. On most burr grinders replacement is not needed until 100's of pounds of grinding. On this grade of grinder the burrs usually outlast other components so burr replacement is rare.
@@Wholelattelovepage Than you. So far i had consumed about 50lb of ground coffee. I had replaced the upper burr assembly but the problem didn't go away. I am wondering whether my Breville Bambino Plus pressure has changed since I am unable to judge it without the pressure gauge. I assumed by default should be 9bar.
Inner burrs setting is the one that is important, not the outer setting. Inner burr setting is not "fine tune", it's MAIN SETTING! When I was grinding coffee with setting 6 inner (factory setting) even with 1 on outer setting I could not get fine at all! My espresso was watery and acidic. Today I put inner factory setting to 1 and lo and behold, now 1 on outer setting was choking gaggia! So I fine tune outer setting to about 14 and got a decent espresso. I wish breville would mention that in the materials...
Hi Peter, Thanks for the clarifying comment. You're right they were not very clear on this point. Some years ago they had a manual recommending descaling one of their machines with vinegar. Turns out that caused a bunch of problems in those machines in hard water areas with the vinegar causing degradation of a seal in the machine.
Marc
Vs the mdf?
The MDF is a much more powerful grinder - a better motor. Big difference in that the MDF is a dosing grinder and the Breville is doserless. What type of machine and/or brewing. Just for espresso?
Whole Latte Love wow, thanks for the fast reply.
So I plan on bying a gaggia classic. My parents use french press so i kinda need the range...
If the gaggia mdf can handle that and is presise enough for espresso, I might go fot it, considering the price...
The problem however is that these type of products aren't to be found in south africa, so ill have to import it through amazon, and the shipping is more than a 100 dollars per product(which i have to buy individually, no bundles). I might be wrong, but i dont believe you ship internationally? Any help?
Hi JF, You are welcome and correct. We currently do not ship international. :( MDF is a good pair with the Gaggia Classic.
Whole Latte Love ok thanks. Do you maybe know of a place except amazon that ships internationally
I have had bad experience with grinders WASTING COFFEE. I m not talking about spillage. I am saying a grinder that leaks internally and I opened it up and found about 3 or more cups of ground coffee all packed up around the circiut board and motor. So then I measured output of my grinder based on 1 lb in and I found I lost about 15% . So THE ASK IS, can you run an experiment on the Breville BCG600SIL and weigh the coffee before and after. Ideally as much as a lb. Oh ya and of course also weigh the grinder before the experiment and after. I found my grinder all cleaned up outside weighed slightly more than when I started. The amount of $$ I spend of coffee I no longer want to waste it. I think problem is ONLY with the finer grind settings. So tests should be at the very lowest end. I can only ask but seems this would be a pretty cool watch. Cheers
Hi Brian, Thanks for the request. Got to say something is not right with your grinder! I could do test but really no way you should be losing 15% of your coffee internally. That's crazy! Something must be broken between the grinding chamber and delivery chute. Did the grinder take a tumble? Maybe damaged in shipping? I've worked with 100's of grinders and never experienced anything like what you describe.
Marc
I think its a wearing parts issue because if went from a minor issue to a huge discrepancy between beans in and coffee out, and this lead to my testing. The grinding chamber is plastic. ( its a flat burr about 40mm dia with carbide tips) . I have take this apart now as much as I can and still cannot see where it is leaking around the chamber. It has definitely as increased in severity and so i think its wear. The only wear that I can imagine is the clearance between the drive shaft and the chamber and possibly the clearance between the underside of the rotating burr wheel and the chamber. I think will be looking for something that has a replicable gasket around this chamber or a chamber made of steel.
Finally I think these areas of the design will be a COMMON challenge for all makers of coffee mills. So I suspect the TEST i proposed might still be of use in understanding the deeper quality issues.
I might add, our grinder has never had fall and looks brand new .. no dents or broken plastic etc.
Hi Brian, Thanks for the additional detail. Curious how old your DCP is? As mentioned I've never had that issue with other grinders. But, the vast majority of grinders I use are what I refer to as "machine grade" in build quality with little to no plastic and commercial grade components and fasteners. The DCP is an "appliance grade" product with a lot of plastic used in construction. While machine grade grinders can provide many years (even decades) of service appliance grade grinders have a limited lifespan. If your grinder is relatively new, still in warranty or has not had much use I would contact Breville support.
Marc
Well I have had this grinder for a year and a half. I shouldn't have bought it......and I knew it was going to be a problem......But Breville said it wouldn't be a problem. The impeller design is crap. If you want espresso grind it will clog and then you get the flashy light. The impeller will wear down and does not meet the edge of the space where the grind collects. Yeah yeah Breville will say it is now wrapped in metal but I still have the problem.
Hi Dan, Thanks for sharing your experience. They did change to the metal a few years ago. But, it is a lower cost appliance grade grinder that can be challenged by espresso grinding - especially if using hard/dense high altitude beans or over roasted beans with visible surface oils. It's a reasonable entry to espresso grinding for those with a limited budget and an understanding that it's an appliance grade product with limited lifespan.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Well I purchased mine in May 2019 from a Canadian supplier......and it's plastic...And no warranty or replacement part available for a known defect. And if it says it's an espresso grinder.....it should do espresso grind doesn't matter where I live in North America. I didn't notice any description saying "this product is only expected to last 2 years". If it said that I wouldn't have purchased it.
@@danhenne3739 DAN thanks so much for your review. I will Not be looking at this model. I totally agree that if you buy an espresso grinder it should do it with out any excuses otherwise its simply NOT what it purported to be . Also the plastic vs metal shield leads me to ask you a question re my post at the top of this page. How much coffee are you getting out .. simple to weigh it and find out. I think that shield is the answer. I BET YOU the reason yours is clogged up is there is a FULL POUND of coffee or MORE all packed inside the machine.... mmmm good
LOL read or hear between the lines, in other words, this is an under powered grinder with weak motor that cannot grind more fancy beans and this machine can't do espresso grind properly. No one need 600 grind option to choose. I would rather have only 8-10 grind choice level from Turkish to coarse French Press grind, but a good motor that can grind espresso grind all the time and don't have to worry about oily beans.
Hi pA, Thanks for the comment. Yes, the Breville is an appliance grade grinder. Sounds like you'd do best with a machine grade grinder with stronger motor, better burrs and more robust build quality! If grinding for espresso you may want to reconsider having only 8-10 grind sizes choice in a range going from turkish to French press. Grind size is critical for espresso. Tiny changes make a huge difference!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hey Marc, your channel, amazing! learn a lot from you! And what amazed me the most is that you reply to comments! Very much appreciated you effort to share knowledge. This Breville grinder, from my interpretation of your review, it is not a good grinder. But I hab=ve very limited budget. So I plan to pair it with Breville Bambino Plus. Do you think it can grind respectable espresso grind? My current grinder is a hand grind. Ceramic burr grinder $25 that surprisingly grind even fine Turkish grind. Amazing fine even grind. Only challenge is it is hand grind. Early morning half a sleep grinding for 10 minutes is no fun. If I clean and maintain this Breville grinder regularly, do you think it can grind respectable espresso grind? Your opinion and suggestion is very much appreciated. Thanks.