Ford only needs to lower the price AND unlock the damn ECU. ECU should be first though because that’s the #1 reason why people are choosing s550s over the s650.
It's the same fuckin car! It's just heavier and it has different exterior panels,oh and that fugly iPad dash. There is no difference in performance from the S550 to the S650, it's a sales gimmick. I used to sell these things.
The only gimmick is selling you a car that was not too long ago sub 40k or sub 50k for the double prices to low IQ peasants who want to keep themselves poor. Second if your buy this kind of car, at these interest rates your not very smart to begin with. That and Ford is struggling to make a quality car as of late. No way in hell I'd buy American designed Mexican made right now anyway. In 10 years the Ford is gonna have something break from the alternator or AC system anyway. Inb4 an idiot comment about another brand. Don't worry the Chevy won't last very long anyway and the Dodge will just be a working engine borderline having lifter issues and every else falling apart.
@Sub-Zero-C6-ZO6 even then interior mostly looks the same. The body is the same with diff headlights and tail lights it's like a refresh from a 10 year old car.
Ford messed up. They forgot the Mustang was always an AFFORDABLE sports car, but like oversized pickups and SUVs they want the big profits-oh, those aren’t selling either. They also totally fucked up the interior with the STUPID Kia style iPad on a shelf dashboard. And it didn’t help they eliminated the manual option with the Ecoboost.
I wouldn’t have a problem with the high price if the interior reflected it, but they still feel like typical Ford garbage on the inside. There are cars nearly half the price of the new Mustang GT with interiors that rival some entry level luxury cars.
not really, mfers always wanted a nicer GT this is the nicer GT, now cut the mfern check. whats not clicking for you guys. then sprinkle a spooky economy, and higher interests on top
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Ford did an absolute fantastic job selling 40 somewhat thousand units of the two door Mustang in this economy! Every other two door sports car on the market sold far worse! As a matter of fact, if you grab every single two-door sports car and add all their sales together. It doesn’t come up to the amount of mustangs that were sold. Facts!!!!!!!
I've seen spec'd out 2025 GTs go for $65k. Ford's problem is if someone has that kind of money to blow on an impractical car, they aren't gonna blow it on a mustang.
The price increases over the years for the Mustang froze out a large portion of those people who purchased Mustangs before the prices got insane. It's really not that hard to figure out why the Mustang sales have plummeted but they'll pontificate on every reason outside of price.
They should have kept the Mustang as a more stripped down traditional pony car with a more reasonable price. Luxury comfort options like heated steering wheel, heated and cooled seats etc belong nowhere near a Mustang. Then they could have brought out a Lincoln model based off the Mustang to be the luxury sports coupe.
@ What about the idea of a luxury sports coupe loaded up with all the stuff like I mentioned plus the magnaride and others as a Lincoln model? That brand REALLY needs a boost!
I mean a rc-f is around 75-78k. If someone wants a manual - gt or dark horse for sure. If they want an auto i would definitely say go with a lexus rc-f.
@lucian7182 Just looked it up and your right. But who cross shops a Muscle car with a Luxury car? Most wouldnt even think of an RCF. More like Base Porsche 911, a 2 door E Class AMG (maybe), but more realistically a base C8 Corvette. Not really much to choose from to be honest.
In the same price range as a Mustang you can get the M2 which is about the same power and weight. It is a downpipe and TUNE away from smoking a Mustang...with luxery. AND...the C8 is about the same price as a darkhorse. Both cars are tunable. The Mustang is not tunable. I like my S650, but I am liking it a lot less without tuning. Mustang owners generally are workingclass freedom lovers who want to tune their private automobiles.
Yup. M2 has a way nicer interior for the same price & is very easy to make faster as you said. Ford really threw a laggy, gimmick of a screen into an already poor interior & called it a day.
He is tone deaf......money is the issue. Its crazy how these clowns talk to you fools. The brand manger acts as if we need to buy a mustang to survive🤣🤣🤣
The Mustang was the best looking car in the S 550 configuration of the GT 350. This late model S 650 is plain ugly. On top of that , the electronic hand brake , digital instrumentation , ugly rear spoiler , ugly wheels , drab looking gray or blue calipers , locked out ECU , ever climbing high prices , plus dealer markups is a deal breaker.
prices for any new car are insane. How can anyone afford a new car when insurance is through the roof, car prices are through the roof and rent and housing. fug that
People aren’t being realistic here. I get stuff is expensive, the problem is wages haven’t gone up with inflation. A 2005 base mustang was $19,150 today that would be $31,252. The mustang starting is $31,920 while offering way more power, tech and efficiency. It’s pricing isn’t really that outrageous considering
They should offer a 6MT for the Ecoboost. Until they figure this out, I'll keep my 2018 6MT Ecoboost. Tuned and light mods, it's a much more fun car to drive than any automatic.
I agree 100% about the screens! Sure, have a small one in the middle, some analog, and the primary (thru steering wheel) screen being analog or even digital that has analog-looking options like now.
I know people are saying the price is what’s making it decline but to be honest with you, the mustang lost its aggressive look… especially on the front end. It looks like a Honda accord or some sporty sedan… looks nothing like an aggressive muscle car.
@@havoz I guess that’s where I would disagree. I’m not a mustang guy so I’m looking at it from a different perspective. But I love the look of the s550 mustang.
Well I'm getting a mustang gt before they stop and band v8's period,the writing is on the wall,yall can complain, bs about getting 1,and you won't have 1 to enjoy ever. It's all part of America plan for Americans.
As the owner of two previous GTs, and I LOVED them, I really really want this new one and it would be an emotional decision. That said, there are some issues I have with this new one, including weight, size, electronics (including, excessive screens), some things I've heard about creaks and other random noises, tune-lockdown, MPG, and yeah, price. You mentioned the Lexus LC500. I'm tempted to wait until/if I can ever afford that.
Put the 550 digital style dash back I’d buy one. The screens is ugly, offer a heritage package with a more og cluster and put the big screen in the center like the f150
The totally unwarranted dramatic increase in MSRP for 2025 versus 2024 has convinced me that Ford wants Mustang sales to dwindle to the point the model will then be discontinued due to poor sales. And they will blame the discontinuation on consumers for not buying them. In the future, this will be identified as the beginning of the end for Ford Motor Company. Bank on it!!!
You can't get a manual ecoboost, and the V8 just isn't affordable anymore. Ford has made some stupid decisions recently. They stopped selling all of their affordable cars and now they only sell SUVs and trucks starting at 50k and going up from there. And then they wonder why their sales are down when they don't offer entry level options anymore. The only good choice they made recently was the Maverick. They proved an American company can make a really good hot hatch and then immediately stopped selling them here. The gen 4 focus and fiesta ST's they sell in Europe look amazing.
Well Ford. Its the worst sales year ever. Maybe make some changes. You polled Gen Z to design a car that costs 50k-70k. From a current Mustang owner, heres how you fix this: 1. Fix the dash. The stuck on screens are stupid. 2. Make it tunable. 3. Fix the GT's weird front bumper. It looks like the catfish Camaro. 4. Ditch the Dark Horse. The name sounds stupid and makes no sense for a v8 Mustang. Replace it with Boss and/or Cobra. Whatever idiot decided to get rid of heritage in 2024 should be fired. You had a chance to court chevy/dodge owners and you failed.
Dark horse is a cool name (and logo) and common folk could buy the first year chassis numbered car. Compare that to a gt350 where only special people got the 2015 and common folk could only get the 2016. Price is too high and the screen is not preferred but all cars are getting them. One screen is cheaper than a bunch of knobs. I agree to integrate it better.
@GojirasBreath it's a cool name if you're a boomer female who lets everyone know she's treasurer of her HOA and a really great logo for a middle school girl's art project. The GT350 and the Dark Horse aren't even on the same playing field. The GT350 is a waaay more special vehicle. If you're a boomer and obsessed with number plates, you cant even compare the 2015 gt350 to the 2024 dark horse. The gt350 was released in late 2015 just to make the 50th anniversary. They made 137 cars. Its an apples to oranges comparison. If you're going to compare the Dark Horse to anything, it'd be the Mach 1 since it's literally a rebadged mach 1.
@House_of_Schmidt i owned a 2016 gt350 and currently own a DH. I like the DH better. It's not even close imo from drivability. Main issue with gt350 is ground clearance. Daily driving is almost impossible due to the low ground clearance. I spent $15k to repour my driveway so it wouldn't scrape. It still scraped. The engine in the gt350 is very special and I regret selling it, but I got a big boat in exchange. I've tracked the DH. Charlotte motor speedway road course and 2 road tracks in Texas. The car is great. It's just too much $$ but so is everything including eggs and rent. I still own a 2003 mach 1 and a 2016 focus rs. Both bought new. Kind of tells my age but hopefully you can appreciate I'm not talking out my ass.
I disagree with the take this car is overpriced. When a Civic is topping out in the mid $30k this doesn’t seem that far off considering how much performance it has over it. I think people should also convert 2005 prices to today and many models you will find aren’t far off. I think also, Ford doesn’t offer a true base Mustang anymore. My 2005 V6 had 210hp. The base engine it outputting numbers that V8 did and offering more tech and efficiency for about the same money. Sure you don’t get to say you have a V8 but the even that has jumped up a category of performance.
When i was shopping for a new car i was like ok civic type r 47k plus mark ups, integra s 56k plus mark ups. Made perfect sense that the gt and dark horse are prices where they are. Ended up with a 25 darkhorse for 65k.
I'd say the economy is the main factor combined with pricing for the low sales but second to that is the fact that they didn't change its appearance enough. I love my 2024 but it really looks like a refresh of the S550 and not an all-new car. They should have split the rear quarter windows from the front glass in the way the S197 was, I think this would have made a big difference.
I was looking forward to buying a new Mustang with the new bodystyle.. then I saw the price.. lol you can buy a 650 hp zl1 for less than a darkhorse.. what a JOKE!
Ford essentially said “now consumers have no choice if they want a muscle car since the Camaro and challenger have been dropped, so now we can extort you.” If it had a normal dash, so that the interior could be timeless and not be outdated in 10 years, people would be more willing to buy it.
I’ve been a mustang guy for about 30 years now . But with the price of it . I’ve been looking at GT 350 and even (blasphemous from my mouth lol ) looking at a 2018-19 vette zo6 3Lz for the same price if not less than this . And I’m like damn
Ford thinking the Mustang should be priced the same as a luxury car is insane to me. Mustang used to be cheap muscle and now they're same price as an M3, S3, G70, A4....I can get an Alfa Romeo Giulia for the same price!
Also Fords response should be frustrating and tell everyone why they should not be looking at buying one of these vehicles. Ford is okay with selling less because they've jacked up the margins on these and are looking to screw the customer. They'll make more selling 1 now than they used to by selling 5.
There's also not enough engine options. I would want a v6 ecoboost engine that would be cool as hell and who cares if the HP numbers is close to a V8. That would make it even better for internal competition. Plus they need more low producing runs mustangs. Boss, mach1, cobra, Shelby etc.
I'm in all the Mustang group pages and owned a 2019 myself. The actual reason why people aren't buying the new Mustang is because, #1. They weigh as much as a Dodge, #2. They are ugly, #3. You can't tune them, and #3. The used car market is strong now. You can buy a C6, C7, C8 corvettes, and ZL1 Camaros for the price of a base NEW mustang. NOPE!
I work in the industry, something people don't understand it's not always the manufacturer profiting on higher prices. Vendors or suppliers of parts raise their prices which means Ford has to raise their prices, doesn't mean Ford is making any more money. We all know the consumer pays the ultimate price.
that brand manager should be fired. the cars aren't selling because they aren't as good as the ones they replaced, cost more, and the previous ones were too expensive to begin with.
Just because they have the only v8 muscle car don't mean they can jack up the price. obviously people don't care they have the only v8. You ain't gonna get a camaro or challenger lover to buy a mustang. It's still not acceptable ford.
Nice summary! Thanks. I think I slide right into the oddball buyer segment Ford has aimed for. Give me a dealer who is willing to cut me a discount of some sort and they'll sell me a 'Stang.
GM locks ECU's as well, tat will be an ongoing trend for automakers like, you can't have body kits made for the GTD, they want you to go through OEM, authorized dealerships/ warranty. Adding Screens don't increase the cost of the vehicle itself the opposite,.
i placed a ordered on a Dark horse day 1 for 69k now i find out i don't have my order but also i would need to reorder with no priority or guarantee and the kicker is to reorder it now costs 79k
25 Dark Horse Premium with handling package 80k. Then add 15k for Supercharger/ Supporting Mods. Hell that’s gently used GT500 money. So unless you gotta have the newest, doesn’t make much sense from a money perspective.
There is no difference between the S550 and S650. The S650 is just a fatter turd with an iPad dash that every manufacturer is using nowadays. Some people wanna complain about tuning which is stupid because once again, it's the same exact car as the previous generation just heavier and actually a sorry ass off brand Camaro. Spending that much cash on any mustang is beyond stupid.
What screwed up the Mustang is that they discontinued the manual trans on the turbo Lima and V6. You have to buy a GT to get a manual and convertible. Bring back the turbo 4 Lima theft deterent manual, and you will sell cars.
People don't realise a new platform is a risky investment, sales are low for the first year of new gen mustangs all around. Everybody usually waits for the first wave of bugs and since there were not much to be had with the s650 platform 2025 sales will skyrocket given dodge isn't releasing the twin turbo straight 6 charger until 2026
Ford is out pricing their actual target audience; you can purchase a used S550 Mustang (V8, V6, Ecoboost) in good condition… easily about $35-30k max. Although the price hike in the S650 maybe makes sense, still very brand new but Mustang buyers may not willingly pay that much when you have to consider gas, insurance, and maintenance… and there is some maintenance involved, lil bits of money you gotta throw as an S550 owner myself
I think the problem is the price but it’s the price in perspective. Why buy a new mustang gt for 55k when you can get a previous gen for 25k. It’s only like 30 more hp and some tablets on the interior. For twice the price? Also the dark horse is just not it, it’s the same price as a base c8. That’s a mid engined car also with a v8. Or you can get a bmw m2 with a s58, one of the best engines out there currently. Sure the base gt is cheaper but it’s still not a deal like it use to be.
New viewer and just subbed...I could not agree more as I just purchased a 24 Raptor 801A and had to watch many several videos to figure out the damn cluster and steering wheel functions...tech should assist us not be hidden through 2-5 actions in succession. Its like windows update upon the purchase of a new vehicle...It needs to become more customer focused or voice assisted so if I want floor heat...say that...then my old boomer ass of 60 does not have to go to college upon every new purchase!
Just went to the dealer, forth f150 80k and over Ford ranger 60k and over They had the venum package 160k and over Single cab f150 50k and over I remember when i bought my gen2 coyote with the recaros etc. 34k 😂 Yeah, this is greed! And trying to take advantage of the community.
The big problem with the S650 is not only price, it's slower than the S550 and you can't tune them to change that as of right now. And honestly, it looks worse In my opinion. The side profile of the rear end looks just like a Camaro. I mean it's cool but it's too heavy, too underpowered, and not worth the cost 🤷🏻♂️ Edit: someone else mentioned the stupid electric e brake which is also a reason to get an S550 over an S650
Looks are subjective some love them some hate them,I personally love it but then again I loved the camaro also. In regards to it being slower than the s550 most people wouldn’t even really notice that on the street as its not a huge difference is fractions of a second.
The enthusiast who tunes their car is only a minority when compared to fleet sales of the vehicle so I wouldn’t discount the fact that it is untunable being a bigger factor than the actual price. Every other car it is competing with with its current price point can be tuned.
I actually didn't care about the price. I don't like the way it looks, the interior sucks for me, and the biggest draw back is absolutely a LOCKED ECU. So I'm good . Probably no more new cars for me.
Bring back the S197 style, keep it all analog, no damn screens. Keep away from all the technology and luxury features. It will help dramatically to reduce production price. It ain't a damn SUV or Luxury car ffs, it is a Mustang. The poor man's vette.
The back seat has always had no room. That's nothing new and not worth talking about. Styling changes, engine options, pricing, overreach, and control are all contributing factors. The more I hear Ford controlling things and sharing info, the less I want one. But I definitely don't want a gm or chrysler pos. I really don't get why you are dogging on v8s. I drive a v8 everyday. I want a v8. I'm not buying a v6 mustang. You just can't beat a v8 roar. If someone wants a Mustang but wants a v6 or 4 cyl and have a family, they need to rethink their thoughts. I hate seeing Mustangs or any nice muscle style car, just to see it has a 4cyl in it. Why waste your money. You don't buy a mustang for luxury. You buy it because it used to be an affordable, nice-looking sports car, easy to mod, and gave decent performance. Now, not worth buying any new vehicle.
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It’s hilarious how dodge people try to make fun of the mustang, sales decline in every brand/auto Mach-e had more sales but check how many 2023’s and incentives they had. Ultimately keep crying you don’t have your “big engine trash can” anymore
It's called a S650 only because it has a few different looks on the outside and the two screens inside. But everything else is a S550!! The engine has been taken apart and it rven has it printed inside the block that says S550! WTH is Ford doing. Way too expensive and untunable. If Ford doesn't change those two things then the car is dead. They are killing the mustang customer who put the care in the reputation it had!
Price is too high.....Plus the cheap video game dash cluster looks ridiculous.....And the styling is too generic jelly bean looking for me.....I worked for Ford and I priced out a GT with the retiree X-Plan pricing just to see what kind of discounts I would get and it was still too high.....So I bought a brand new "23 Challenger RT instead.....5.7,6M.....The Ford pricing for a comparably equipped GT was something like a $15,000 difference. 😅😅😅😅😅
Ford only needs to lower the price AND unlock the damn ECU. ECU should be first though because that’s the #1 reason why people are choosing s550s over the s650.
It's the same fuckin car! It's just heavier and it has different exterior panels,oh and that fugly iPad dash. There is no difference in performance from the S550 to the S650, it's a sales gimmick. I used to sell these things.
I prefer the look of the 2023 Mustang. The folded paper look of the 2024 does nothing for me.
The only gimmick is selling you a car that was not too long ago sub 40k or sub 50k for the double prices to low IQ peasants who want to keep themselves poor. Second if your buy this kind of car, at these interest rates your not very smart to begin with. That and Ford is struggling to make a quality car as of late. No way in hell I'd buy American designed Mexican made right now anyway. In 10 years the Ford is gonna have something break from the alternator or AC system anyway.
Inb4 an idiot comment about another brand. Don't worry the Chevy won't last very long anyway and the Dodge will just be a working engine borderline having lifter issues and every else falling apart.
@Sub-Zero-C6-ZO6 even then interior mostly looks the same. The body is the same with diff headlights and tail lights it's like a refresh from a 10 year old car.
@@717Chris yeah, it's just BS from the gayest brand in America (Ford)
Ford messed up. They forgot the Mustang was always an AFFORDABLE sports car, but like oversized pickups and SUVs they want the big profits-oh, those aren’t selling either. They also totally fucked up the interior with the STUPID Kia style iPad on a shelf dashboard. And it didn’t help they eliminated the manual option with the Ecoboost.
And the 2025 GTs in Illinois are in the 60ks lmao FORD LOST THEIR GOT DAMN MIND!
I wouldn’t have a problem with the high price if the interior reflected it, but they still feel like typical Ford garbage on the inside. There are cars nearly half the price of the new Mustang GT with interiors that rival some entry level luxury cars.
@@CadexLawWhich cars?
@@sonny9608 GR86, for one.
Actually, it’s a BMW type screen
Price is to damn high 💵💰...
I remember a GT uses ro be 35k. Now a 2024 will cost u from 45k to 55k and the 2025 models are in the 60ks like wtf FORD DOING!?!?!
@amert3928 I bought my 2017 gt for 25,000 in 2019
not really, mfers always wanted a nicer GT this is the nicer GT, now cut the mfern check. whats not clicking for you guys. then sprinkle a spooky economy, and higher interests on top
@@amert3928 I remember when 03/04 cobras were $32k...
@@demikpre wages haven't increased to justify that b.s
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Ford did an absolute fantastic job selling 40 somewhat thousand units of the two door Mustang in this economy! Every other two door sports car on the market sold far worse! As a matter of fact, if you grab every single two-door sports car and add all their sales together. It doesn’t come up to the amount of mustangs that were sold. Facts!!!!!!!
I've seen spec'd out 2025 GTs go for $65k. Ford's problem is if someone has that kind of money to blow on an impractical car, they aren't gonna blow it on a mustang.
Used hellcat money
Make it less ugly, integrate the screens into the dash, make them easier to modify, and lower the price. For starters.
THE HORRIBLE Economics of the LAST FOUR YEARS OF INFLATION IS A FACTOR ❤
Give me a naturally aspirated v-8 for under 35k . Styling like the Challenger, old school gauges and basic.
How about get your fucking bread up. If you can’t afford 42-45k for a car maybe get a better job.
100%
You’d be hard pressed to even find a newer Mustang with low mileage for under 30k prices are just insane stupid right now
be realistic... you're soout of touch with that price it's laughable
The price increases over the years for the Mustang froze out a large portion of those people who purchased Mustangs before the prices got insane. It's really not that hard to figure out why the Mustang sales have plummeted but they'll pontificate on every reason outside of price.
They should have kept the Mustang as a more stripped down traditional pony car with a more reasonable price. Luxury comfort options like heated steering wheel, heated and cooled seats etc belong nowhere near a Mustang. Then they could have brought out a Lincoln model based off the Mustang to be the luxury sports coupe.
@waynek805 I definitely agree!!!! The Mustang is nice but has left its roots!!!
@ What about the idea of a luxury sports coupe loaded up with all the stuff like I mentioned plus the magnaride and others as a Lincoln model? That brand REALLY needs a boost!
All the 2 door sports cars with rear seats other than the Mustang cost about $90k start. Its why Ford aint worried
I mean a rc-f is around 75-78k. If someone wants a manual - gt or dark horse for sure. If they want an auto i would definitely say go with a lexus rc-f.
@lucian7182 Just looked it up and your right. But who cross shops a Muscle car with a Luxury car? Most wouldnt even think of an RCF. More like Base Porsche 911, a 2 door E Class AMG (maybe), but more realistically a base C8 Corvette. Not really much to choose from to be honest.
In the same price range as a Mustang you can get the M2 which is about the same power and weight. It is a downpipe and TUNE away from smoking a Mustang...with luxery. AND...the C8 is about the same price as a darkhorse. Both cars are tunable. The Mustang is not tunable. I like my S650, but I am liking it a lot less without tuning. Mustang owners generally are workingclass freedom lovers who want to tune their private automobiles.
Yup. M2 has a way nicer interior for the same price & is very easy to make faster as you said. Ford really threw a laggy, gimmick of a screen into an already poor interior & called it a day.
Pretty sure the C8 is locked too… they are just working around it using piggyback systems or outright aftermarket ECUs
@@TexarmageddonIf i remember right the engine is unlocked but the transmission is still locked
He is tone deaf......money is the issue. Its crazy how these clowns talk to you fools. The brand manger acts as if we need to buy a mustang to survive🤣🤣🤣
The Mustang was the best looking car in the S 550 configuration of the GT 350. This late model S 650 is plain ugly. On top of that , the electronic hand brake , digital instrumentation , ugly rear spoiler , ugly wheels , drab looking gray or blue calipers , locked out ECU , ever climbing high prices , plus dealer markups is a deal breaker.
I remember people was saying the s550 2018 refresh was ugly l.
prices for any new car are insane. How can anyone afford a new car when insurance is through the roof, car prices are through the roof and rent and housing. fug that
People aren’t being realistic here. I get stuff is expensive, the problem is wages haven’t gone up with inflation. A 2005 base mustang was $19,150 today that would be $31,252. The mustang starting is $31,920 while offering way more power, tech and efficiency. It’s pricing isn’t really that outrageous considering
They should offer a 6MT for the Ecoboost. Until they figure this out, I'll keep my 2018 6MT Ecoboost. Tuned and light mods, it's a much more fun car to drive than any automatic.
You've got to move that mic out of your face. It's still popping. Lower the tripod just 3 inches.
Not just price, not a single enthusiast wants that screen. They designed and marketed this update for gamers and it, unsurprisingly, didn't work
35-37k GT with basic gauges id be interested.
Sadly they cost around 45k+ and the 2025 models 50k+! Wtf!!
Dude, 35-37k will get a 4cylinder turbo with under 300 hp, not a 500hp v8. A gt should never be as cheap as a hyundai or a subaru.
You can get a 2018 5.0 10spd for 26k making 460hp stock. And those cars you mentioned are different class vehicles. It really doesn't matter.
@@rickitysplitz7035wow you can get a 7 year old car for 20k less than a new one, sounds like every other car manufacturer.
I agree 100% about the screens! Sure, have a small one in the middle, some analog, and the primary (thru steering wheel) screen being analog or even digital that has analog-looking options like now.
Ford says relax, meanwhile Bmw has record sales on the M2 😂😂
I know people are saying the price is what’s making it decline but to be honest with you, the mustang lost its aggressive look… especially on the front end. It looks like a Honda accord or some sporty sedan… looks nothing like an aggressive muscle car.
It's not a muscle car
It's basically Ford's sad attempt to make their own Camaro. The Camaro SS and ZL1 have a very aggressive look to them.
I disagree I think the s550 is arguable the worst looking mustang besides like the 70s era. It looks like a muscle car again.
@havoz you basically you think the Camaro wannabe mustang is the best looking. Why not just get a Camaro then?
@@havoz I guess that’s where I would disagree. I’m not a mustang guy so I’m looking at it from a different perspective. But I love the look of the s550 mustang.
Well I'm getting a mustang gt before they stop and band v8's period,the writing is on the wall,yall can complain, bs about getting 1,and you won't have 1 to enjoy ever. It's all part of America plan for Americans.
As the owner of two previous GTs, and I LOVED them, I really really want this new one and it would be an emotional decision. That said, there are some issues I have with this new one, including weight, size, electronics (including, excessive screens), some things I've heard about creaks and other random noises, tune-lockdown, MPG, and yeah, price. You mentioned the Lexus LC500. I'm tempted to wait until/if I can ever afford that.
I live in Houston Texas, Haven't see not one dark horse on the streets 😂
I’ve seen plenty gts in Texas not the dark horse for sure
I drive a Roush stage 3 as a daily with a phase 2 750hp
Put the 550 digital style dash back I’d buy one. The screens is ugly, offer a heritage package with a more og cluster and put the big screen in the center like the f150
He is wrong about not being able to put a car set in a mustang
I know right, i have 2 car seats in the back of my dark horse. Its inconvenient but totally doable .
Ford jacked up the prices after George Saliba claimed that a Mustang GT is a poor man's car
The Mustangs purpose was to be affordable performance. Lol
The totally unwarranted dramatic increase in MSRP for 2025 versus 2024 has convinced me that Ford wants Mustang sales to dwindle to the point the model will then be discontinued due to poor sales. And they will blame the discontinuation on consumers for not buying them. In the future, this will be identified as the beginning of the end for Ford Motor Company. Bank on it!!!
You can't get a manual ecoboost, and the V8 just isn't affordable anymore. Ford has made some stupid decisions recently. They stopped selling all of their affordable cars and now they only sell SUVs and trucks starting at 50k and going up from there. And then they wonder why their sales are down when they don't offer entry level options anymore. The only good choice they made recently was the Maverick. They proved an American company can make a really good hot hatch and then immediately stopped selling them here. The gen 4 focus and fiesta ST's they sell in Europe look amazing.
Well Ford. Its the worst sales year ever. Maybe make some changes. You polled Gen Z to design a car that costs 50k-70k.
From a current Mustang owner, heres how you fix this:
1. Fix the dash. The stuck on screens are stupid.
2. Make it tunable.
3. Fix the GT's weird front bumper. It looks like the catfish Camaro.
4. Ditch the Dark Horse. The name sounds stupid and makes no sense for a v8 Mustang. Replace it with Boss and/or Cobra. Whatever idiot decided to get rid of heritage in 2024 should be fired. You had a chance to court chevy/dodge owners and you failed.
Spot on!!!!
Dark horse is a cool name (and logo) and common folk could buy the first year chassis numbered car. Compare that to a gt350 where only special people got the 2015 and common folk could only get the 2016. Price is too high and the screen is not preferred but all cars are getting them. One screen is cheaper than a bunch of knobs. I agree to integrate it better.
Let me correct. Anybody could buy it if they could afford it. It is priced too high.
@GojirasBreath it's a cool name if you're a boomer female who lets everyone know she's treasurer of her HOA and a really great logo for a middle school girl's art project.
The GT350 and the Dark Horse aren't even on the same playing field. The GT350 is a waaay more special vehicle. If you're a boomer and obsessed with number plates, you cant even compare the 2015 gt350 to the 2024 dark horse. The gt350 was released in late 2015 just to make the 50th anniversary. They made 137 cars. Its an apples to oranges comparison.
If you're going to compare the Dark Horse to anything, it'd be the Mach 1 since it's literally a rebadged mach 1.
@House_of_Schmidt i owned a 2016 gt350 and currently own a DH. I like the DH better. It's not even close imo from drivability. Main issue with gt350 is ground clearance. Daily driving is almost impossible due to the low ground clearance. I spent $15k to repour my driveway so it wouldn't scrape. It still scraped. The engine in the gt350 is very special and I regret selling it, but I got a big boat in exchange. I've tracked the DH. Charlotte motor speedway road course and 2 road tracks in Texas. The car is great. It's just too much $$ but so is everything including eggs and rent. I still own a 2003 mach 1 and a 2016 focus rs. Both bought new. Kind of tells my age but hopefully you can appreciate I'm not talking out my ass.
I disagree with the take this car is overpriced. When a Civic is topping out in the mid $30k this doesn’t seem that far off considering how much performance it has over it. I think people should also convert 2005 prices to today and many models you will find aren’t far off. I think also, Ford doesn’t offer a true base Mustang anymore. My 2005 V6 had 210hp. The base engine it outputting numbers that V8 did and offering more tech and efficiency for about the same money. Sure you don’t get to say you have a V8 but the even that has jumped up a category of performance.
When i was shopping for a new car i was like ok civic type r 47k plus mark ups, integra s 56k plus mark ups. Made perfect sense that the gt and dark horse are prices where they are. Ended up with a 25 darkhorse for 65k.
I'd say the economy is the main factor combined with pricing for the low sales but second to that is the fact that they didn't change its appearance enough. I love my 2024 but it really looks like a refresh of the S550 and not an all-new car. They should have split the rear quarter windows from the front glass in the way the S197 was, I think this would have made a big difference.
I was looking forward to buying a new Mustang with the new bodystyle.. then I saw the price.. lol you can buy a 650 hp zl1 for less than a darkhorse.. what a JOKE!
Ford essentially said “now consumers have no choice if they want a muscle car since the Camaro and challenger have been dropped, so now we can extort you.”
If it had a normal dash, so that the interior could be timeless and not be outdated in 10 years, people would be more willing to buy it.
Not to mention that there are mustangs everywhere. Yeah it makes good power and RWD for an okay price but it’s not unique
I’ve been a mustang guy for about 30 years now . But with the price of it . I’ve been looking at GT 350 and even (blasphemous from my mouth lol ) looking at a 2018-19 vette zo6 3Lz for the same price if not less than this . And I’m like damn
Ford thinking the Mustang should be priced the same as a luxury car is insane to me. Mustang used to be cheap muscle and now they're same price as an M3, S3, G70, A4....I can get an Alfa Romeo Giulia for the same price!
Also Fords response should be frustrating and tell everyone why they should not be looking at buying one of these vehicles.
Ford is okay with selling less because they've jacked up the margins on these and are looking to screw the customer. They'll make more selling 1 now than they used to by selling 5.
There's also not enough engine options. I would want a v6 ecoboost engine that would be cool as hell and who cares if the HP numbers is close to a V8. That would make it even better for internal competition.
Plus they need more low producing runs mustangs. Boss, mach1, cobra, Shelby etc.
I'm in all the Mustang group pages and owned a 2019 myself. The actual reason why people aren't buying the new Mustang is because, #1. They weigh as much as a Dodge, #2. They are ugly, #3. You can't tune them, and #3. The used car market is strong now. You can buy a C6, C7, C8 corvettes, and ZL1 Camaros for the price of a base NEW mustang. NOPE!
It's too expensive or I would have bought it
Ford is charging too much.. you can get use c8 for the price.
I work in the industry, something people don't understand it's not always the manufacturer profiting on higher prices. Vendors or suppliers of parts raise their prices which means Ford has to raise their prices, doesn't mean Ford is making any more money. We all know the consumer pays the ultimate price.
They also forget the fines/ fees ford has to pay to the government for each v8 they manufacture and sell due to epa pollution and fuel requirements.
I was going to buy one, but the stupid screens, crappy manual trans, locked ecu, and price 5-10k too high made me keep my money.
The ugliest Mustang gen that I have ever seen!
Ford tried to make a Camaro and failed.
@Sub-Zero-C6-ZO6 I have been a Mustang fan all these years, and this particular gen is definitely a letdown.
that brand manager should be fired. the cars aren't selling because they aren't as good as the ones they replaced, cost more, and the previous ones were too expensive to begin with.
Closest thing I’ve ever owned to a mustang was a mazdaspeed3. They need to cater to enthusiasts (within reason) as much as possible like dodge did
Price is the only reason. 60k for a GT insanity!
The ECu is locked. And price to high
You can't tuned the car is the biggest beside the price.
Just because they have the only v8 muscle car don't mean they can jack up the price. obviously people don't care they have the only v8. You ain't gonna get a camaro or challenger lover to buy a mustang. It's still not acceptable ford.
@@tonynew9588 it's everything though, and it's shocking. A little bitty maverick truck costs as much as an f150 did a few years ago.
Yes ford is making up from that union strike they had.
Nice summary! Thanks. I think I slide right into the oddball buyer segment Ford has aimed for. Give me a dealer who is willing to cut me a discount of some sort and they'll sell me a 'Stang.
GM locks ECU's as well, tat will be an ongoing trend for automakers like, you can't have body kits made for the GTD, they want you to go through OEM, authorized dealerships/ warranty. Adding Screens don't increase the cost of the vehicle itself the opposite,.
i placed a ordered on a Dark horse day 1 for 69k now i find out i don't have my order but also i would need to reorder with no priority or guarantee and the kicker is to reorder it now costs 79k
1 thing i always hated in cars is screens :|
Im okay with the higher price as long as the build quality and quality control is there.
If they could give the base with less shit in it for like 38 an the premium like 44 would be nice
25 Dark Horse Premium with handling package 80k. Then add 15k for Supercharger/ Supporting Mods. Hell that’s gently used GT500 money. So unless you gotta have the newest, doesn’t make much sense from a money perspective.
In that case I’m going with the 500 every time.😁
@ Me Too.
Or you could get a base dark horse for 65k add a super charger and supporting mods , and be at the price of a premium with handling pack.
I loved my mustang (a 2007 GT) but I got married and bought a Lexus ES 350 for far less than what a good GT costs.
There is no difference between the S550 and S650. The S650 is just a fatter turd with an iPad dash that every manufacturer is using nowadays. Some people wanna complain about tuning which is stupid because once again, it's the same exact car as the previous generation just heavier and actually a sorry ass off brand Camaro. Spending that much cash on any mustang is beyond stupid.
Nothing sorry about that 5.0 under the hood unless you like slower chevys
@SpotTheSteez 🤣🤣 there is no Chevy the mustang competes with. Without boost that coyote is a joke.
What screwed up the Mustang is that they discontinued the manual trans on the turbo Lima and V6. You have to buy a GT to get a manual and convertible. Bring back the turbo 4 Lima theft deterent manual, and you will sell cars.
People don't realise a new platform is a risky investment, sales are low for the first year of new gen mustangs all around. Everybody usually waits for the first wave of bugs and since there were not much to be had with the s650 platform 2025 sales will skyrocket given dodge isn't releasing the twin turbo straight 6 charger until 2026
I feel like back in the day everyone drove coupes and had families. Now people single with family cars.
They need to add the 3.0l TT from the ranger raptor as another option!
Ford is out pricing their actual target audience; you can purchase a used S550 Mustang (V8, V6, Ecoboost) in good condition… easily about $35-30k max. Although the price hike in the S650 maybe makes sense, still very brand new but Mustang buyers may not willingly pay that much when you have to consider gas, insurance, and maintenance… and there is some maintenance involved, lil bits of money you gotta throw as an S550 owner myself
I think the problem is the price but it’s the price in perspective. Why buy a new mustang gt for 55k when you can get a previous gen for 25k. It’s only like 30 more hp and some tablets on the interior. For twice the price? Also the dark horse is just not it, it’s the same price as a base c8. That’s a mid engined car also with a v8. Or you can get a bmw m2 with a s58, one of the best engines out there currently. Sure the base gt is cheaper but it’s still not a deal like it use to be.
For people who bought the dark horse in 2024 it’s great news because they are less of them around.
The reason for low sales is Ford has gotten insane with the price. A Mustang should Not ever be in the 60s and not to mention higher.
Thing has looked the same since 2015. Bring back a modern retro look like 2005?
I still believe the GT PP2 was the best value for the money.
going inside the interior is like visiting iPad city
From Sweden I order my dark Horse with Tremec gear box , which I could by M3 com almost same price but I want Tremec and V8
I was planning to get the new Mustang, but when I saw the hideous interior with the ridicules screens, I immediately canceled.
you're saying their justification for the price hike is because "theres no other options/competitors" ? is that forreal or you're just saying that?
New viewer and just subbed...I could not agree more as I just purchased a 24 Raptor 801A and had to watch many several videos to figure out the damn cluster and steering wheel functions...tech should assist us not be hidden through 2-5 actions in succession. Its like windows update upon the purchase of a new vehicle...It needs to become more customer focused or voice assisted so if I want floor heat...say that...then my old boomer ass of 60 does not have to go to college upon every new purchase!
Price too high, interior feels almost exactly the same except with that awful screen & there’s no Shelby’s.
Just went to the dealer, forth f150 80k and over
Ford ranger 60k and over
They had the venum package 160k and over
Single cab f150 50k and over
I remember when i bought my gen2 coyote with the recaros etc. 34k 😂
Yeah, this is greed! And trying to take advantage of the community.
Also owned a gen3 premium 2021 for 50k
I got my f150 5.0 4x4 and dark horse for 110 combined otd.
@lucian7182 what dealership? New f-150 crew cab? V8? If so what dealership, need to visit. Need truck for my business.
The big problem with the S650 is not only price, it's slower than the S550 and you can't tune them to change that as of right now. And honestly, it looks worse In my opinion. The side profile of the rear end looks just like a Camaro. I mean it's cool but it's too heavy, too underpowered, and not worth the cost 🤷🏻♂️
Edit: someone else mentioned the stupid electric e brake which is also a reason to get an S550 over an S650
Looks are subjective some love them some hate them,I personally love it but then again I loved the camaro also. In regards to it being slower than the s550 most people wouldn’t even really notice that on the street as its not a huge difference is fractions of a second.
We stare at screens all day. Bring back gauges.
Price too high and need a four door gt.
I fit my boys back there in my 24
And add AWD with more room in the back seat!
Stop the dealer “ market adjustment “, and make a de-contented stripper LX model. Just the go-fast stuff, leaving the gingerbread to the GT.
Pricing
JUST WAIT I'M 29 lol I cant afford it yet! 35th bday present to myself though 37th the latest !!
they need to change the rear end of the car
The enthusiast who tunes their car is only a minority when compared to fleet sales of the vehicle so I wouldn’t discount the fact that it is untunable being a bigger factor than the actual price. Every other car it is competing with with its current price point can be tuned.
I’ll keep my foxbody. Only newer mustang I’d consider is the 03-04 cobra. All the new stuff is trash.
I actually didn't care about the price. I don't like the way it looks, the interior sucks for me, and the biggest draw back is absolutely a LOCKED ECU. So I'm good . Probably no more new cars for me.
You also have Lexus Rcf, gr86, gr Corolla, & Supra
Bring back the S197 style, keep it all analog, no damn screens. Keep away from all the technology and luxury features. It will help dramatically to reduce production price. It ain't a damn SUV or Luxury car ffs, it is a Mustang. The poor man's vette.
They should try, idk, making a Mustang.
The back seat has always had no room. That's nothing new and not worth talking about. Styling changes, engine options, pricing, overreach, and control are all contributing factors. The more I hear Ford controlling things and sharing info, the less I want one. But I definitely don't want a gm or chrysler pos.
I really don't get why you are dogging on v8s. I drive a v8 everyday. I want a v8. I'm not buying a v6 mustang. You just can't beat a v8 roar. If someone wants a Mustang but wants a v6 or 4 cyl and have a family, they need to rethink their thoughts. I hate seeing Mustangs or any nice muscle style car, just to see it has a 4cyl in it. Why waste your money. You don't buy a mustang for luxury. You buy it because it used to be an affordable, nice-looking sports car, easy to mod, and gave decent performance.
Now, not worth buying any new vehicle.
I’m not dogging on V8s. My daily is one 😎
@RUBIX3 My bad, I have my 2yr old granddaughter climbing on me while I'm watching videos. She's kinda distracting. I was just getting bits and pieces and prob missed the sarcasm. My apologies!
@@OKHotrodder4u no worries! I get it.
Dam do you work for Ford??
Ford needs to put a V8 with some balls into the Mustang. Hard to convert Hemi and LT/LS fans to an engine with no bottom end character whatsoever.
It’s hilarious how dodge people try to make fun of the mustang, sales decline in every brand/auto Mach-e had more sales but check how many 2023’s and incentives they had. Ultimately keep crying you don’t have your “big engine trash can” anymore
Ford is stuck on stupid! I'm a Ford guy but I'm currently looking at leftover Challenger's including the wide body!
start putting the 5.2 and i bet they'll sell
It's called a S650 only because it has a few different looks on the outside and the two screens inside. But everything else is a S550!! The engine has been taken apart and it rven has it printed inside the block that says S550! WTH is Ford doing. Way too expensive and untunable. If Ford doesn't change those two things then the car is dead. They are killing the mustang customer who put the care in the reputation it had!
BMW M cars out sold the Mustang by 20k units
Did an M model sell more than the mustang? Or are you adding multiple vehicles up? Lol
Not a lot of competition? Lol they made the better option for the last 60+ years
Price is too high.....Plus the cheap video game dash cluster looks ridiculous.....And the styling is too generic jelly bean looking for me.....I worked for Ford and I priced out a GT with the retiree X-Plan pricing just to see what kind of discounts I would get and it was still too high.....So I bought a brand new "23 Challenger RT instead.....5.7,6M.....The Ford pricing for a comparably equipped GT was something like a $15,000 difference. 😅😅😅😅😅