Obviously, Netlix's looks better, because it's a remake. But also, we know that the Netflix version isn't a game, while Story Mode itself is. But yeah, again, they did a great job enhancing the visuals.
So the one on Netflix was just made for watching. And choose choices of what the character will say? That's why I reset the original, which is cooler. Yes, I will complete this in 2023, 1 and 2
Having a multi-year long gap between playing the original game and the Netflix version, I never realized they remade the visuals, but it makes sense that they did thinking about it now.
Well Netflix didnt just “let it go” because they wanted to, actually Minecraft Story Mode was Netflix’s most viewed interactive movie, but Telltale Games the game company who made mcsm filed for bankruptcy causing there games licenses to be taken so Netflix had to take it down
The Netflix version just isn't the same, it was just pressing text options. I remember playing the demo in ps3 and during the sections where you could move around felt so special. The QTEs during a tense scene felt so engaging. I loved it but I never really got a full copy for some reason. I wanted to know what happened after they found the ruined base but never even bothered watching videos for it because I understood it wouldn't feel the same that way.
Dude same! I play on the Netflix version and it all felt so off! Like cutting off my fav scenes! And choosing just two options? What’s with that!? So I never got the chance to finishing it 😢
I think the Netflix one is pre-rendered, so it has better graphics, but its art direction was lost in the process since they didn't have the same artists
@@ChuckSploder i mean the game already actually has better graphics then vanilla Minecraft if you look close and compare, but the netflix version isnt running on a game engine so they can make it look as real as they want
@@sansdw7723 bruh, Netflix doesn't have gameplay, you only choose the answers, while the original game gives you more choices and freedom in exploration
I remember MCSM, such a good game, too bad it got taken down from netflix and telltale games😔😔, it was one of the only games and series that actually made me emotional lol
oh yeah, good point, they could always buy it back but that would probably cost a lot. I think the new Telltale isn't gonna buy every IP as they did in the old Telltale days. (That's what got them bankrupt in the first place.) What the new Telltale is doing is making original games, they might do one or two collaborations but I don't think it's gonna be crazy or anything.@@FrizzOnDaEditzz
I personally prefer the video game. Yes, I was introduced to it via Netflix but I like the lighting better in the game. I also really don’t like how a lot of things were removed in netflix, such as a lot of the choices and the swearing. There were even a few small scenes that were removed.
I liked the lighting better in the Netflix version, but I don’t like that for some reason the frame rate seems worse than the game. Also got rid of the old subtitles which I liked.
Im an OG, and I think it goes back and forth in quality. some shots look better in the game, but then other shots look better in the netflix version. I still prefer the OG though.
I think they did a pretty good job with there being less glitches (obviously) because its not running on a game engine but yk dialogue audio being more clearer if you compare to the actual game, and new animations and scenes etc
I did the Netflix version when I was younger, and I kinda wish there was more Netflix episode, I remember seeing the 5th episode, and being so excited for Season Two, and it never came, and I was very, very, disappointed.
I have played the first season on my PS3, still got the disc. That game was a masterpiece. I also got to finish the second season before it was deleted...
i miss both! tbh if mcsm returned, they better use netflix graphics cuz ITS AWESOME also the scene at like 5:02 for the netflix version should be in the game like actually
1:10 the original game looks a lot better here imo, the nighttime lighting is better and the wither storm is farther away yet retains its massive scale
A small detail about the Magnus/Ellegard’s death scene in the Netflix version of the game is they actually made them die by disappearing in smoke which is more accurate to deaths in normal Minecraft and the deaths of the Minecraft Story Mode
I don't know much about the Story Mode... yet, but from what i know is that Netflix Version is rendered, per events and chapters. While the game version is actually rendered in real time using the hardware of your device (that being Xbox, Playstation, Wii U or Nintendo Switch or whatever.)
5:05 I have such a eerie vibe when I see this, in the Netflix version it makes it look like Jesse thinks he’s gonna die and he just accepts it, this never happens in the game. The music change makes it weirder too
Minecraft: Story Mode Netflix. A true legacy to the fallen game. It sadly was remove on January 1st 2023 and is the first interactive on Netflix to be removed :(
It was actually removed the 5th December of 2022 and I saw it disappear right I when went to see if it was removed and it didn’t but then an error happened but that error was the remove of the series
though the netflix one looks better on the contrary of looks, i think the original fits the enviorment more, its dark and mysterious, unlike the gloomy warm lighting the other one has.
Hate the fact that in netflix version you can only pick like 2 options for out of 4 there is only like a couple times you can pick 3 options never 4 like in the orginal game
It’s really just a slightly interactive, way dumbed down tv show. You don’t have any control over anything but a few voice lines. Even the few choices of the original are stripped away. I managed to find a physical copy of the game on switch, I’ve had way more fun. Also, I’m pretty sure the Netflix version was remove a while back.
@@BilbsyMore no, just pay attention to the wither storm parts, they seem darker and more terrifying in the game version than in the netflix version which is supposed to look better (which it does but in this case i feel like the game does it better)
Honestly, why Netflix removed Minecraft story mode, yeah, it was a bit cringe and when I first started watching it, and saw the start where you have to choose characters or something, and 11 year old me thought it was dogshit. Then a day later, I decided to watch it, watching episode 2 and it hooked me in. Then, when I finished watching all the episodes, I watch episode 1 and understood. Looking back, the nostalgia is strong. I remember when I was watching it, I was wondering why the characters can’t go into creative mode? Silly 11 year old me, those were the days.
@@Tyresaurusmy guess is they had the right to have it on their platform for a certain time, then it ran out. a company dying doesn't mean that the contract would be null and void.
It's Sad the Game got discontinued and Gone off Netflix. The only free ways to play MCSM is getting a Physical Copy on the Console Or getting "The Complete Adventure" Copy of the Game. That's the only ways.
@@Mrjukesy I heard they got bought out by another company (which specific one I don’t remember), and I’m hoping they at least remaster the series. I also deeply hope I’m not misinformed on telltale being bought out by another company…
I really wish they finished the Netflix version of Minecraft Story Mode, it was really fun to replay the game that way and it just never got the second story of the first season. It also never got season 2. It's a shame, really
@@dracula0 40 minutes later, I have new information. It was removed in December last year, so it's already long gone, but an archive project here on TH-cam is keeping the Netflix version alive
Seriously though, when I noticed him ready to sacrifice himself I was genuinely surprised, I didn't know they changed scenes I just thought they increased the graphics quality and removed non dialogue gameplay
Having the chance to finally play the entirity of this game series of my childhood on my xbox in November and December last year and "playing" the Netflix version before they removed it entirely, I will say the OG game copies is the waaaaaay better way to experience this masterpiece. Sure it might not be "as visually appealing/impressive" with it's details, but it just way better experiencing the story in Jesse's boots by having full control over him, as the Netflix version does not give as much freedom of choice as the game episodes do. For example, when you get to Redstonia you can choose whether to find resources to craft a lever to get to Ellegard in her dome, or you can take the easy route and steal it off the cow dancer inventor guy (I built my own lever in my recent playthrough btw). The netflix version forced you to building your own lever as it has the more "activity".
I Gonna Miss you Minecraft Story Mode Netflix Version When I First Played Minecraft Story Mode Is Really Fun To Play I Played Episode One To Four But Not Five Episode Five Doesn't Impress Tho And I Will Never Forget The Time I Played Minecraft Story Mode Netflix...
Honestly I have to go with the actual game itself because one there’s a lot more options to pick from for Jesse compared to Netflix plus it just doesn't fill as exciting for the Netflix one compared to the actual game itself
Obviously, Netlix's looks better, because it's a remake. But also, we know that the Netflix version isn't a game, while Story Mode itself is. But yeah, again, they did a great job enhancing the visuals.
Finally somebody understanding it lol
the only gameplay in netflix is deciding what to say
@@retplays yes, because it isn’t a game sadly.
So the one on Netflix was just made for watching. And choose choices of what the character will say? That's why I reset the original, which is cooler. Yes, I will complete this in 2023, 1 and 2
The Netflix version is more like a choose your own adventure thing then right? I’ve watched a few movies with that feature and it’s pretty neat. 🙂
That's probably the best use of Netflix's interactive functions, i wish Telltale was still around to make stuff specially for them
Yeah same here
Telltale games exist tho
@@that_little_mf They shut down in 2018
@@The_Thunderous_Gecko that was telltale I'm talking about Telltale games
@@that_little_mf The games one did shut down in 2018 the whole thing shut down as a whole
Having a multi-year long gap between playing the original game and the Netflix version, I never realized they remade the visuals, but it makes sense that they did thinking about it now.
Biggest flex is that I have this game on a disc for my 360
I have the disc for my 360, but it doesnt work.
I have it for my ps3
Ok..? So do I and millions of other people.
@@IceYetiWins Not sure about that but ok
@@walkert6213 Yeah, there were only 95k-ish copies sold in total lol (or at least that's what I've gathered).
Netflix: Shaders ON
Minecraft: Shaders OFF / Vanilla
Netflix:Jessie black mode ON
Axel is hands down my favorite character.
"Come on, dispenser faces. I thought we were friends."
This was cinema and gaming at the same time, I don't know why Netflix let this gem go
What do you mean by "letting this gem go" exactly?
Well Netflix didnt just “let it go” because they wanted to, actually Minecraft Story Mode was Netflix’s most viewed interactive movie, but Telltale Games the game company who made mcsm filed for bankruptcy causing there games licenses to be taken so Netflix had to take it down
Wait it’s gone?I never finished it! :(
@@Mateo-qw9px You can't play it on Netflix anymore
@@Theanimateddevice358 a shame
It's now a burning memory, both the game, and the netflix as well
I got to play the Netflix version at least, but I couldn't play the full game while Telltale was up
The Netflix version just isn't the same, it was just pressing text options. I remember playing the demo in ps3 and during the sections where you could move around felt so special. The QTEs during a tense scene felt so engaging. I loved it but I never really got a full copy for some reason. I wanted to know what happened after they found the ruined base but never even bothered watching videos for it because I understood it wouldn't feel the same that way.
Dude same! I play on the Netflix version and it all felt so off! Like cutting off my fav scenes! And choosing just two options? What’s with that!? So I never got the chance to finishing it 😢
5:09 in netflix he was just accepting his fate
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@@infinity_sh4816a
The lighting is way better in the original, but the shaders are better in the Netflix version
I think the Netflix one is pre-rendered, so it has better graphics, but its art direction was lost in the process since they didn't have the same artists
@@ChuckSploder i mean the game already actually has better graphics then vanilla Minecraft if you look close and compare, but the netflix version isnt running on a game engine so they can make it look as real as they want
You know the Wither Storm is the most fearful one when even the mobs can't try and kill you..
Graphics to Netflix, gameplay to the game
netflix you also have gameplay, bro just removed for no reason in this video
@@sansdw7723 bruh, Netflix doesn't have gameplay, you only choose the answers, while the original game gives you more choices and freedom in exploration
@@sansdw7723no
In Netflix you only choose
The original had More options, quick Time events, etc
Netflix is way better, but the original game is also great. I like both of them!
nah
You just read my mind
what@@kinen6745
Netflix added shaders to the game
🫀👈💀
Ooh Netflix is pretty! I'm glad I got to play the OG version tho because that's how it was intended.
I remember MCSM, such a good game, too bad it got taken down from netflix and telltale games😔😔, it was one of the only games and series that actually made me emotional lol
Can still play it tho
@@OldSport83 you cant, telltale shutdown and netflix took it down
Telltale is back, they were bought out by a company and they made the wolf among us 2@@EclipzAMV619
SAME THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME I EVER CRIED IN ANY VIDEOGAME OR FILM!!
oh yeah, good point, they could always buy it back but that would probably cost a lot. I think the new Telltale isn't gonna buy every IP as they did in the old Telltale days. (That's what got them bankrupt in the first place.) What the new Telltale is doing is making original games, they might do one or two collaborations but I don't think it's gonna be crazy or anything.@@FrizzOnDaEditzz
Netflix is most likely pre rendered and also color graded so ye you could get a pretty similar look with some graphics enhancements
So sad it got removed 😢
WOW. HI. HERE IN 2024 MEE TOO
i love sometimes its funny when everybody is building instantly
I personally prefer the video game. Yes, I was introduced to it via Netflix but I like the lighting better in the game. I also really don’t like how a lot of things were removed in netflix, such as a lot of the choices and the swearing. There were even a few small scenes that were removed.
I liked the lighting better in the Netflix version, but I don’t like that for some reason the frame rate seems worse than the game. Also got rid of the old subtitles which I liked.
I didnt know there was swearing lol
Im an OG, and I think it goes back and forth in quality. some shots look better in the game, but then other shots look better in the netflix version. I still prefer the OG though.
Bro Netflix installed shaders
Netflix is better to use a Netflix interactive Minecraft series.
Not bad for a movie that’s based off a game.
Well there's still choices you need to make, but other than that it's basically a movie.
I think they did a pretty good job with there being less glitches (obviously) because its not running on a game engine but yk dialogue audio being more clearer if you compare to the actual game, and new animations and scenes etc
I actually never played the original game because I was basically 5. I still really liked it because something Minecraft related was on Netflix
I did the Netflix version when I was younger, and I kinda wish there was more Netflix episode, I remember seeing the 5th episode, and being so excited for Season Two, and it never came, and I was very, very, disappointed.
yea i dont think they could’ve done anymore yk considering Telltale games went bankrupt and had very little staff to finish it off
Ain’t no way Minecraft story mode got RTX before Vanilla Minecraft
I have played the first season on my PS3, still got the disc. That game was a masterpiece. I also got to finish the second season before it was deleted...
bro I miss the Netflix version of this game
I miss the game altogether 😭
@@Favvlatina frrr you can still buy em but its just not the same anymore 💔
@@RobloxianDisasterDepartment Yess fr!!
i miss both! tbh if mcsm returned, they better use netflix graphics cuz ITS AWESOME
also the scene at like 5:02 for the netflix version should be in the game like actually
when the Netflix remake is better than the manga
“The Netflix version is way better!”
“Unless it’s dead.”
I was too focused on how much was cut out from the Netflix version to see how much the visuals improved.
i like how netflix took advantage of everything not having to be rendered and enhanced the visual effects
I wish they hadn't taken it off of Netflix 😢
Netflix is so high quality
Netflix removed Minecraft story mode for some reason
bankrupt im pretty sure
Netflix licensing expired for Minecraft story mode that's probably why they took it off
They wanted money, and now we are getting a Netflix Minecraft show for real this time
@@hybridvenom9 lets hope Netflix doesn't mess this up
@@Yoooitscjyeah truly, and for the movie as well
1:10 the original game looks a lot better here imo, the nighttime lighting is better and the wither storm is farther away yet retains its massive scale
The graphics for the Netflix version were really good but the characters looked kind of lifeless 💀
Whenever i played the netflix version it didn't always use my choice. A lot of the times it would pick for me
A small detail about the Magnus/Ellegard’s death scene in the Netflix version of the game is they actually made them die by disappearing in smoke which is more accurate to deaths in normal Minecraft and the deaths of the Minecraft Story Mode
I miss this game . Mad Respect for Reuben for sacrificing his life to save the world
They Made The Netflix version look almost Real.
the only reason why the Netflix one looks better is because it's not actually running on a game engine, it's pretty much an interactable animation.
I don't know much about the Story Mode... yet, but from what i know is that Netflix Version is rendered, per events and chapters.
While the game version is actually rendered in real time using the hardware of your device (that being Xbox, Playstation, Wii U or Nintendo Switch or whatever.)
0:17 i like og jessies reaction... its more like a "cant you mobs be normal for 5 minutes..."
I feel like this fandom is slowly coming back
5:05 I have such a eerie vibe when I see this, in the Netflix version it makes it look like Jesse thinks he’s gonna die and he just accepts it, this never happens in the game. The music change makes it weirder too
The way the colors darken too and the music kicks back in when he gets rescued, its so well made.
@@petersinkworking6198couldn’t agree more
i think its a good change
@@kazivxX I agree
I loved the moment when Jesse said "It's formidi-bomb time" and... I don't want to continue this joke, everyone got it already
I’m dense so I didn’t get the joke💀
What does it mean?💀
the fact if you take Ellegard's armor, she died.
if you take Magnus's Armor, he died too.
such a cool detail choices between the two.
Not really
Man I absolutely loved Sorens new look! The nostalgia for the og one...
ikr
I forgot Netflix somehow added Minecraft story mode to be played on a tv remote
i know it just removed all the actual fighting stuf
I just remembered that the order of the stone were liars
Wait for real?
They used the Command Block to defeat the Ender Dragon.
@@ThreeHeadedGhastmojang anti cheat propoganda
8:07 bro💀…….. but in all seriousness why… it makes it more sad but I feel like not necessary. especially the sound
It probably could have worked fine if it didn’t have the sound
Minecraft Story Mode RTX on
Just changing the lighting can make it look so much better.
I really like the graphics in the Netflix version, but the original has better gameplay because it actually does have gameplay.
Minecraft: Story Mode Netflix. A true legacy to the fallen game.
It sadly was remove on January 1st 2023 and is the first interactive on Netflix to be removed :(
It was actually removed the 5th December of 2022 and I saw it disappear right I when went to see if it was removed and it didn’t but then an error happened but that error was the remove of the series
@@leochannel5619 that's really interesting. Maybe it "officially" was removed at 23/01/01
it still remains for me
@@hhbkawaii if you don't mind, what country do you live in? Maybe it's region locked for me
Netflix is story mode but with shaders
though the netflix one looks better on the contrary of looks, i think the original fits the enviorment more, its dark and mysterious, unlike the gloomy warm lighting the other one has.
Hate the fact that in netflix version you can only pick like 2 options for out of 4 there is only like a couple times you can pick 3 options never 4 like in the orginal game
isn't anybody else mad that they took minecraft story mode off netflix???
yea
They. What?
@@chipproductions1510 yeah. they took it off
Its gone because it expired idk.
@@joyjiajima2870 telltale games or whatever it was called went out of business prob because of bankruptcy i thnk
Netflix has better graphics but the original game looks more like the actual game (console edition)
this comment gave me
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It’s slightly haunting seeing both Magnus and Ellegaard watching each other in their deaths, in two alternate realities.
ikr, the simplicity but also genius of the games by Telltale
I didn't know Netflix did a remastered story mode.
It’s really just a slightly interactive, way dumbed down tv show. You don’t have any control over anything but a few voice lines. Even the few choices of the original are stripped away. I managed to find a physical copy of the game on switch, I’ve had way more fun.
Also, I’m pretty sure the Netflix version was remove a while back.
Man I miss this game
Jessie any time something happens: auruagh!
Whie netflix does have better visuals i feel like the original version makes it look scarier
because netflix version is just playing a video instead of actually playing the game.
I getting Vietnam flashbacks from this
@@BilbsyMore no, just pay attention to the wither storm parts, they seem darker and more terrifying in the game version than in the netflix version which is supposed to look better (which it does but in this case i feel like the game does it better)
Honestly, why Netflix removed Minecraft story mode, yeah, it was a bit cringe and when I first started watching it, and saw the start where you have to choose characters or something, and 11 year old me thought it was dogshit. Then a day later, I decided to watch it, watching episode 2 and it hooked me in. Then, when I finished watching all the episodes, I watch episode 1 and understood. Looking back, the nostalgia is strong. I remember when I was watching it, I was wondering why the characters can’t go into creative mode? Silly 11 year old me, those were the days.
Telltale went bankrupt
@@RafanAhmed-iz8gx No, it was still there for years then last year they removed it from netfilx
@@RafanAhmed-iz8gx No, it was still there for years then last year they removed it from netfilx
@@Tyresaurusmy guess is they had the right to have it on their platform for a certain time, then it ran out. a company dying doesn't mean that the contract would be null and void.
@@polocatfan Yeah, heard the license expired.
imagine a minecraft story mode game in the trailer style!
the shaders on netflix are better but the lighting on the original are better
1:14 And then he Formidi-bombed all over the place.
It's Sad the Game got discontinued and Gone off Netflix.
The only free ways to play MCSM is getting a Physical Copy on the Console Or getting "The Complete Adventure" Copy of the Game. That's the only ways.
its not on netflix anymore? why would a game like this just die?
@@madurog97 I was about to say that
@@Skribblee what sites to you know for pirating? Cause Steam Unlocked I think has lots of viruses
@@raoulmarin9516Not viruses, iirc, but download speeds are limited.
@@Gravy_Guzzler Idk, The Company Or Netflix wants space to put new Movies.
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Netflix shading looks really good! Be nice if teltale ever did a remaster of the series a the very least...
erm
telltale went bankrupt my guy XP
@@Mrjukesy I heard they got bought out by another company (which specific one I don’t remember), and I’m hoping they at least remaster the series.
I also deeply hope I’m not misinformed on telltale being bought out by another company…
telltale is alive again, just weak at the moment so they can't do much right now
The fact that Magnus/Elligard go poof and disappear in the Netflix version just makes it hit harder in my opinion.
they just disappear as if they never existed...
I didn't even know they were different :0
So Netflix is better looks, less interactions while the OG is the opposite?
Yep
I really wish they finished the Netflix version of Minecraft Story Mode, it was really fun to replay the game that way and it just never got the second story of the first season. It also never got season 2. It's a shame, really
they are removing it fully in december 😭
@@dracula0 damn, that's really sad. Hopefully it can be preserved somehow in an unofficial way
@@dracula0 40 minutes later, I have new information. It was removed in December last year, so it's already long gone, but an archive project here on TH-cam is keeping the Netflix version alive
why dont more games have this much lovable characters with good backstories, the character development is crazy
telltale shutdown which created minecraft story mode n other rly good games too
yall remember dantdm in minecraft story mode or some stuff like that
yea season one chapter 6
The netflix version could use some qte
absolute cinema
1:32 this part would have been sick if they just reused the exact ingame animation and the old sky with the new graphics
4:50 This music is W
ngl for the first time, I thnk netflix actually did it better (yes less buttom pressing but alteast it looks way nicer)
Netflix version is like:
Wait... wait... now!
great! *_NOW WAIT MORE_*
yeah just imagine Telltale gets the license back and has this graphical change + all the choices and quick times AND. gameplay
The scene where jesse throws the formidi bomb is so much better on netflix oh my god
Skibidi bomb
@@akioasakura3624be quiet
@akioasakura3624 why must you corrupt my childhood
Seriously though, when I noticed him ready to sacrifice himself I was genuinely surprised, I didn't know they changed scenes I just thought they increased the graphics quality and removed non dialogue gameplay
Having the chance to finally play the entirity of this game series of my childhood on my xbox in November and December last year and "playing" the Netflix version before they removed it entirely, I will say the OG game copies is the waaaaaay better way to experience this masterpiece. Sure it might not be "as visually appealing/impressive" with it's details, but it just way better experiencing the story in Jesse's boots by having full control over him, as the Netflix version does not give as much freedom of choice as the game episodes do. For example, when you get to Redstonia you can choose whether to find resources to craft a lever to get to Ellegard in her dome, or you can take the easy route and steal it off the cow dancer inventor guy (I built my own lever in my recent playthrough btw). The netflix version forced you to building your own lever as it has the more "activity".
5:02
Open your mouth and say ah ❌
Eat this ✅
my bro:ill respawn in 10 seconds
the situation im in:
They need to bring back Minecraft story mode. Instead they spend years making Minecraft legends which completely failed and they’re shutting it down.
the company (TT) died and went bankrupt
@@ggggggggggggggggggggggg333 Mojang still owns Minecraft and it’s not like this genre of games is solely owned by that game studio
@@ggggggggggggggggggggggg333it’s back buddy
@@ggggggggggggggggggggggg333telltale was bought back to life
@@Diabolical420how
there shouldve been an option for netflix visuals in the actual game
The Netflix version was released around half a year before the actual game was taken down
Sadly tho, they cancelled season 3..
I Gonna Miss you Minecraft Story Mode Netflix Version When I First Played Minecraft Story Mode Is Really Fun To Play I Played Episode One To Four But Not Five Episode Five Doesn't Impress Tho And I Will Never Forget The Time I Played Minecraft Story Mode Netflix...
I wish I got to play the Netflix version while it was up. There don't seem to be any roms for it either.
I played it while it was there, it was actually very fun to play I got to the end of it
@@AbsentPFPsame here and I wish it had all 8 episodes in season 1 and had season 2 and that stay
Honestly I have to go with the actual game itself because one there’s a lot more options to pick from for Jesse compared to Netflix plus it just doesn't fill as exciting for the Netflix one compared to the actual game itself
(Remake ps5) (original ps4)
I miss minecraft story mode
I see netflix found the shader mods for minecraft.
RTX on vs RTX off
I kind of feel similar about Halo TMCC’s “remastered” graphics. Sure it looks gorgeous, but the originals fit the mood better by leaps and bounds.
no it doesn't