not with just Caitlyn, but with the thing that destroyed their whole lives and took their parents - enforcers. Powder used to know Vi wanted to kill enforcers with every part of her soul, now she's working alongside them. that's what Jinx meant by saying "but you changed too"
And it's totally false, he's sister always went to her and was her who chosed Silco while Vi just didn't want to KILL Catlyn, but was willing to abandon her to run away with JINX until she chosed Silco instead of Vi. Sadly Jinx just makes her own ideas and take it as reality instead of seeing the reality.
@@xCoatlicuex Jinx obviously chose Vi there, she literrally killed Silco to save Vi? Issue was that Vi tormented her to that point where Silco decided to kill Vi, making Jinx choose between the two, she choose Vi, but then she realised Silco's dead and was shattered, possibly resenting Vi even further for doing this to her, and afterwards Vi didn't say anything to Jinx either, when Jinx said "I wish you loved me like you used to", Vi just stays silent and doesn't tell her she loves her, it is Vi who choose Cait over Jinx. Jinx was willing to kill the person who wanted to kill her sister, Silco, who was like her father, but Vi on the other hand worked with the person who wanted to kill her sister and helped her in her mission, a girl she just met weeks ago, and in no way what Silco was to Jinx is comparable to what Cait was to Vi.
@@Blaidd1298You have to remember who Silco is to Vi. Silco is the man who killed her father, and he is to Vi what enforcers are to Jinx. Vi did not accept Caitlyn as quickly as Jinx believed. Edit: what I should have meant is that Slick us what influenced Powder to Vi. He is also the opposite of what Van der stands for and so what she looks up to.
@@Mia-nk1kg Silco was to Vi what Cait is to Jinx yes, though Jinx was also aware of Silco's wrongdoings, "He took everything from us" she said at the tea party. With all that Jinx killed Silco in Vi's defense, but Vi, so far, worked with Cait and the enforcers to kill Jinx, not stop them, not stay out of it, but actively partake in the manhunt. Also Enforcers are same to Vi and Jinx, it's just that Vi being all over Caitlyn manipulated herself into thinking otherwise, which might change after s2act1 after what had happend.
There’s something else, too. This is the first time we’re seeing Caitlyn and her team, and they’re given the same monstrous portrayal as the Enforcers at the beginning of the show. All you hear is heavy breathing, and they’re mostly silhouettes with glowing eyes. They don’t look like the characters we like, and seeing how deeply terrified Jinx is at the sight makes it even worse. One more thing: Jinx can’t bring herself to kill her sister. Vi doesn’t really have this problem until Isha steps in, and that’s when she hesitates.
I disagree with the last sentence. Vi knows children die daily in Zaun and its shown in season 1 when she and Jayce fought the factory workers. Jayce was stunned but she knew this was the ordinary. She could've shoved Isha out of the way and kill Jinx, but she doesn't. I feel its more about Vi realizing someone cared for Jinx, and so she didnt want to kill her own sister.
Fully disagree, Jinx never had problems hurting Vi, from gaslight her to hit her, shoot at her, kiddnap her, torture her, Jinx was really wanting to hurt and Kill Vi, we see thier faces and were Vi was full of sorrow and pain Jinx was just angry.
@@xCoatlicuex The previous time Jinx shot at Vi was when she as hallucinating with Cait and probably was freaking out and in ep 5 where she think she's playing her because she showed up with an enforcer. Every time she's upset with her to the point of violence, it's about Cait and it's about Cait because Cait is an enforcer like the ones who killed her parents. She only resolves to kill her after this scene and even in their fight she's msotly just scratching and wacking her like a child. The fight looks more like siblings wrestling than two people who earnestly want each other dead. Like they did try to kill each other but their hearts aren't fully in it.
@@azvr8997yea, although the whole fight seemed more like just siblings going at it 😂 I think when Isha came into the picture, Vi also saw a glimpse of Powder again and realised the one person that kept her going for so long was not completely gone
To Jinx it is the ultimate betrayal. Not only is her sister hunting her down, but she is also doing it as an enforcer, and with the person who Jinx perceives she left her for.
While it tears me apart to see her in more pain, a part of me wishes someone could have told Jinx: 'That pain you feel right now, is exactly how Vi and Ekko felt after you choose to love and fight for Silco, often against them'. That is a betrayal as well.
3:08 This is a moment that I noticed some good little lore and storytelling. In game, Jinx has named all her weapons: Zap Zap is her pistol, Fishbones is the Rocket Launcher, and she named the gatling gun Pow Pow, the nickname Vi gave her. So as she sees Vi tear through Pow Pow, it means that Vi is serious when she says she won't hold back against Jinx, that she can't hide behind Powder's memory anymore, which is why she has that face of almost solemn realization in the next scene. I might be looking into that too much, but i thought I'd share my theory.
I was wondering what that scared expression on Jinx's face meant! That's such a good catch, more people like me who don't play league should know about this.
There are so many amazing parallels in this scene. Jinx realizes that she isn’t safe anywhere, and won’t be protected by anyone. I also like the fact that that is proven completely untrue when Isha runs to her side ready to shoot Vi when Jinx is threatened. Jinx sees Powder in Isha, and so do I. They are so much alike. It’s hard to watch Jinx go through this, but I also think it is going to be a detrimental factor in her character arch. Can’t wait for act 2.
omg i didn't know she did it like that cause sevika liked gambling.. I thought it was already showing how jinx just wants to be useful to others and give but this just makes it even more obvious. SI find the character so relatable...
Yeah I didn’t realize the connection. An allusion to Sevika’s gambling is a better explanation instead of just “a random detail that makes jinx seem even more chaotic”
@@BrandyHoelscher The pain she goes through is even worse when you know even now after all she went through she still just wants to give to people and be useful. It hurts so much more 🥲
Vi is no monster. Lol. And while Caitlyn seems to be to extreme, her actions are lass extreme than Jinx' but at the same time she has more reason to react in that way. People need to stop simping for Jinx. Being mentally ill does not deny accountability for your actions. While a lot of the "good" characters aren't perfect, Jinx clearly is flawed and a villain. Things are more complex than "Jinx, Caitlyn, Vi = equally good / bad".
@@moritzasbrand9656Idk deliberately releasing toxic gas to suffocate an "enemy" populace into submission doesn't seem any morally better to me than bombs. Also it's not just Jinx's mental illness that has a lot of people "siding" with her, it's also the duality of oppressed Zaun vs. oppressor Piltover, the social class duality, and the police enforcer vs. queer reactionary dynamic. (Yes obv CaitVi are the actual lesbians, but speaking as a lesbian Jinx is much more the "queer outcast" stereotype that many people can relate to)
@@moritzasbrand9656 Every body has a part to be taken accountable for: - Vi abandoned Powder when she needed her most, even after Vander told her to protect her and love her, opening the doors to Silco to swoop in. - Jinx is derengend to to her past trauma. The enforcers killing thier parents, being responsible for the death of her friends, her sister "abandonment", a over all Silco's poisonous teachings and the shimmer used to save her from death. - Caitlin didn't do anything wrong in the first season, but after her mother's death by Jinx's attack she doesn't care about justice anymore and is willing to sacrifice innocent lives to achieve her revenge. If anyone think that there is a true villan that was Silco. Everyone else has done wrong things do to sentiments of betrayal, giving up on your love ones when they need you and trying to accomplish revenge no matter the cost
@@voidtracer2397 While I agree she made a mistake (hitting Powder and calling her a Jinx), Vi was forced to leave after being kindnapped by an enforcer.
@@BatAmerica Yeah I know, but Powder didn't knew that and Jinx doesn't know to this day. From her perspective her sister abandoned her in the worst moment. That's why I don't see any of the girls here as bad. They all done bad things but they are not villains or nothing similar to that. I just hope Vi and Jinx figure some stuff out before the end.
On Vi not being able to kill Jinx. She does stell herself and was about to move her fist after Jinx says those words but I feel seeing Isha and being shocked that Jinx has someone dependent on her snaps her out of it and was partially the reason she was telling Cait to not shoot.
Agreed, I initially thought Vi couldn't kill Jinx but was fully intending on finishing the job even after that second of hesitation. It's the little facial movements that really tell the story. And even if Caitlyn had the shot, that hextech powered bullet should have gone through both of Isha and Jinx's skulls.
What I love about this whole Scene and set up is that it shows that jinx is still mentally broken and continues to break even more. ( had some people say she would just become numb and do what, which does not make sense.) Jinx is still very much traumatised by the horror on the bridge when she lost her parents and to see her sister like that absolutely terrifies her. Jinx and vi still somewhat care about each other and even when they fought it act two it was a I don’t want anyone to hurt you-unless I hurt you kind of thing. Jinx couldn’t even kill vi at that moment because the pain was too great, jinx fights back without thinking, shoots without thinking when she is given time to process and think she feels to much thus why I feel like she couldn’t shoot.
True, but jinx has a reason for working for silco. Vi on the other hand only knew caitlyn for a couple days and never gave a shit about piltover and actively hated the enforcers. But all the sudden she cares about piltover and becomes a enforcer and starts gasing her? Wtf vi!
@@ip8595 jayce and ekko will be on the both side, after jayce realize what up city making the underground city more worse and viktor will be the guide too
It’s pretty jarring, Vi being the most stalwart ready to fight the enforcers, only to become one of them. That looming shadow that Jinx was scared of when the series first starts. It’s a well written contrast.
It's also interesting that when Vi and the squad enter the scene, they use the same visual language with the creature with multiple blue eyes that we saw inside the Gray earlier the same episode. The Gray also appears to have eyes and occasionally a jaw in its depictions in the Kiramman contraption. In E1, the Gray is projected onto Caitlyn's face, not too unlike the scratches over Vi's face in the arcade visually. The enforcer characters seem to be (at least thematically) linked to it, so using the word "demonic" to describe Vi's look IS right, but I have a suspicion it may also be a little more literal than you'd think. Edit: additionally, the opening montage of E3 features the squad and the Gray heavily, and the lyric “is it bad that I’m making friends with my demons?” could be a cheeky hint.
I think it’s more painful because jinx feels seriously replaced even though vi assured her she wasn’t but this to jinx shows who she stands with. She doesn’t just stand with Cait but also piltover. This obviously drew her over the edge
This is SUCH a powerful show. The story is great, animation is breathtaking. Color and music themes are thoughtful. There’s a lot happening with the visual storytelling, and I appreciate it. I’ve played a little league of legends ages ago (but unfortunately don’t know the lore), but I love dystopian fiction so this is a treat. ❤ enjoying following your content. New follower
@@plethoradulcet ya but some people are not capable of understaning nuance and don't understand that (ESPECIALLY IN THIS SHOW) there is not simply black and white
@@olliewithane6933 Of course there are nuances in the characters. But unfortunately not in the cities themselves. Topside has been oppressing, poisoning and exploiting Zaun for decades. That they wanted to make peace before Jinx doesn't matter. That was pretty late and only came about under conditions and pressure from Silco. V has lived and suffered in Zaun and knows how wrong the situation is. I can understand her acting against Jinx and Silco, maybe I can understand her helping Caitlyn. But the fact that she actively joins the Enforcers makes her the worst character in the show. She could have joined Ekko but instead it's the people who have treated her like dirt for years. She is the only one besides Victor who has seen both sides but unlike him not only ignores the suffering of her former people but is now a member of the group who are known to be violent towards them. Even Warwick says in the game how she has turned her back on everything.
Ill keep defending Vi idc. Vi wouldn’t have the tools she needed to capture and actually stop Jinx for good anywhere else besides in Piltover. Teaming up with Ekko wasn’t on the table for a reason 1. They do not have the resources to contain or capture someone like Jinx, they have literally had conflicts for as long as they’ve been in Zaun and they never win against Jinx, we see that in S1 2. Ekko’s priority and responsibility is not Jinx right now, it’s the tree, his home. Which is what he was busy with along with Jayce while Vi and Jinx fought Vi still has a good enough sense of morality left in her to stop Cait from going too far. Knowing Vi, if they were to capture Jinx she most likely would’ve stopped being an enforcer after that because she obviously didn’t like the fact that because of the circumstances she had to become something she hated. She has no reason to stay in that position, unless Vi decides to stay in order to change the corrupt and oppressive police system of Piltover. Jinx has put Vi into this corner, she’s become almost a war criminal, making orphans out of children, being erratic in general. She’s already had other dangerous people come after her, and Jinx may be able to handle herself but to Vi, it would seem like having herself be the one to capture Jinx is the safest way to bring her mayhem to a full stop and also keep her out of harms way, because as much as she likes to say Jinx isn’t her sister anymore, she still loves her. The acceptance of Powders death is there, but the love is still there too. She told Cait to take the shot because she knew that she could never hit the finishing blow on her own little sister Whether you agree with her actions or not, she still has her reasons, Jinx was willing to kill Powder for Silco and Vi is willing to kill her own integrity to capture Jinx which is tragic
so true. and its not like vi is happy about any of this!!! ive literally never seen her so dour and depressed as she was in episode 3. poor thing. like do people not understand that, while enforcers killed her parents, it was silco and jinx (zaunites) who killed her adoptive family???
@@badbunnyky Bah, did you see her face at the end of episode 1? She is nowhere near as proud and confident as Cait. She seems hesitant and ashamed. She is doing this only because she has no other choice. From her perspective, she only has Cait right now, while Jinx is slowly drifting away. Of course she would go and help her, especially when it's about Jinx.
Discordo completamente. Vi não precisa de Piltover, da Caitlyn ou do Ekko para resolver as questões com a irmã. Se, no primeiro encontro, Caitlyn e Ekko não estivessem presentes, as coisas poderiam ter se resolvido. Mesmo agora, basta Vi pedir um encontro entre as duas para resolver as coisas, e Jinx certamente iria.
agree! some ppl don't even try to understand Vi and it makes me really sad. She's been through so much too, but because her mental state isn't as evident from the outside, people forget about it.
I love how ever since season 1. Jinx had a huge intuition that Caitlyn was evil. Whenever she saw Caitlyn, she would grow horns and a creepy smile. Like, that wasn't just hallucination, SHE KNEW!
@@Jonas-ox7eo Before that she was a naive child. Cait is my favorite character but I like this interpretation. Jinx knew before Cait did. But to be fair to Cait she didn't go fully into the darkness. Oh, she went pretty dark but she was strong enough to pull herself back. She never totally lost herself. And at the end turned out to be the much stronger person. I love how Cait held herself accountable at the end. By the way, we are all evil. Or to say it better evil is just a construct. At least that was a theme of the show which we can take or leave. There is no good or evil but just the struggle.
@@Jonas-ox7eo But it was always within her. Just waiting for something to bring it out. She had the "luxury" of not having to face that within her. Until that luxury was taken away and Cait just folded. Looking back it shocks her how quickly it happened. But by the end I love how though Cait became so self aware. “No amount of good deeds can undo our crimes!” I know the current generation has a problem with pronouns but "our" includes Cait and she knows that in fact at the moment she was saying that she probably was referring to herself more than Jinx. That is also why for those taking about "redemption" this is the wrong place to do so because one of the points of the show (agree with it or don't but that what the show was putting forward) is that redemption doesn't really exist. At least not in the sense many take it as. But just because redemption doesn't exist it doesn't mean we can't start making better choices."You know, I learned from someone very special that no matter what happened in the past, it’s never too late to build something new. Someone worth building it for." I don't think it was a good enough quote to get Jinx back in the fight after losing Isha but I kind of get what the show was going after. You don't do "good" (which by the way again is just a construct at least according to the show) to redeem yourself but of course it's not ever too late to change course despite your past mistakes. You can always build something new. By the way there was an episode of "Angel" that kind of made the same point about redemption.
I’m so glad you talked about this scene!It’s extremely important and we can see how much pain she was holding in after she gets out and screams..never heard Jinx cry like that
id like to remind everyone that this show is literally all about nuance and the fact that there is no black/white good/bad. there are good characters who do bad things, and bad characters who do good things. vi obviously feels guilt about being an enforcer but doesn't see any other way to stop jinx.
@@ingenjannik i think the big initial one is that she spent all the time vi was in jail working for silco (who is responsible for vanders death, and destroying the undercity with shimmer). her next big act was stealing the gemstone, which not only killed a bunch enforcers but severely agitated tensions between the two cities. then on the bridge scene, jinx massacred a bunch of people and literally shot directly at vi and cait. THEN, jinx attacked vi and kidnapped her, telling vi she should kill cait, didn't listen to vi's pleading, and then destroyed any chance for peace by bombing the councilors. here's some things about vi people seem to not remember- first off, she HATES SILCO!!! as much as if not more than the enforcers. he's brought so much suffering and strife within their home of zaun, and the idea that jinx not only worked for him but effectively became his daughter feels like the ultimate betrayal to vi. why? because Vander was basically their dad after their parents were killed. and the things vander taught vi also influence her views. despite hating enforcers, i don't think she's okay with just killing them indiscriminately. he taught her violence doesn't solve your problems. esp after meeting caitlyn, vi starts to have a much more nuanced worldview, which jinx spits in the face of. sorry that was long but yeah. vi also considers herself responsible for powders transformation into jinx, so feels she is the one who must right her wrongs.
@@badbunnyky Yeah, makes sense. Not overall, but definitely from Vi's perspective. Witnessing Jinx's genuine affection for Silco could be construed as betrayal in Vi's mind.
@@ingenjannik totally. i guess something to add to my original comment is not only it about nuance, but perspective. like does what cait is doing right now make sense if you look at the whole story? jesus no. but if you look at her POV and consider her actions/experiences thus far, it is a lot more understandable (though still very wrong and obviously reactionary) and also i think vi is about to defect from the enforcers for this next arc, she is def still very full of conflicting feelings
hey thank you 👍 I don't really watch super long videos so I try and make videos I would watch, which usually just end up being shorter. I'm glad you like it!
Omg I need another longer analysis of this scene because it actually breaks my heart seeing their relationship and how even as now an almost adult jinx can’t bring herself to killing her sister (along with vi not being able to kill jinx)
Vi is a class traiot. The girl from noble house likes her and she got a glimpse of luxurious life in topside in exchange of betrayal of her own people. From opressed she become opressor. Meanwhile Jinx unintentionally become a symbol that Vi wanted to be once. Symbol of fighting for freedom.
Caitlyn got promoted to Macbeth & Ambessa will be whispering in her ear to go to the extremes to get her revenge. Did not end well for Macbeth, Ok if Vi or Jinx will end up killing Cait that is just too Shakespearean, let's go with Ambessa being the one to die in the final ACT. Not Cait. Even though they have already Set Cait up to be Macbeth, I mean she used the Grey, A Toxic gas that does major damage to the lungs and she used it as a weapon just to get Jinx, Ends Justify the means. Cait was already losing it. I asked AI if there were parallels to Arcane Season 2 and Macbeth possibly being Caitlyn. AI keeps blowing my mind, check this out. If the rest of the season Arcane goes full Macbeth, Based on the scenario you've described, we can draw some interesting parallels between the characters in Arcane and those in Shakespeare's Macbeth. Here's how some of the major Arcane characters might align with Macbeth characters: Character Parallels Caitlyn Kiramman as Macbeth Caitlyn is being positioned as the central figure, similar to Macbeth. She's being manipulated into a position of power, potentially declaring martial law, which mirrors Macbeth's rise to kingship17. Ambessa Medarda as Lady Macbeth Ambessa seems to be playing a role similar to Lady Macbeth. She's the manipulator behind the scenes, orchestrating events to push Caitlyn into a position of power for her own ambitions8. Like Lady Macbeth, she's using her influence to shape events and push the protagonist towards a darker path. Vi as Banquo Vi could be seen as a Banquo-like figure. As Caitlyn's close friend and potential love interest, she represents a moral compass and a link to Caitlyn's past. Like Banquo, she might become a threat to Ambessa's plans due to her influence over Caitlyn7. Jinx as Macduff Jinx, as Caitlyn's nemesis and a symbol of the conflict between Piltover and Zaun, could be seen as a Macduff-like character. She represents the opposition to the new regime and could potentially be the one to challenge Caitlyn's rule8. Jayce as Duncan Jayce, as a leader in Piltover, could be seen as a Duncan-like figure. His potential opposition to martial law or his own political ambitions might put him at odds with Caitlyn's new role10. Mel Medarda as Malcolm Mel, opposing her mother's militaristic ambitions and working for peace, could be seen as a Malcolm-like character. She represents a potential alternative to the path of conflict10. Thematic Parallels The situation in Arcane echoes several themes from Macbeth: Ambition and its corrupting influence Manipulation and political intrigue The burden of power and leadership The conflict between loyalty and personal gain It's important to note that while these parallels are interesting, Arcane is its own unique story. The characters and plot will likely diverge significantly from Macbeth as the series progresses, offering its own twists and complexities78
Watching their fight scene is kinda of funny and also painful. It like I don't want to be the one who kill you but im going to kill you. Honestly i love how relatable the fight scene is, it is like two sisters fighting and frustrated about the other one
I feel like jinx felt heartbreak more than scared when seeing vi with the enforcers, she already knew vi with cait so I think it's more bout vi fully went to the other side
I think the only thing I didn't like about act 1 was vi. I feel like there wasn't enough push back or reaction to her becoming a enforcer from her own perspective. She is literally becoming the thing that killed her parents, destroyed her home, separated her from powder, and thrown in prison for years. She literally became a sell out and I hope people call her out on it.
After seeing what her sister become, the only way she can be a part of the team that stops her is becoming and enforcer. This isn't about selling out for power is becoming something you hate to stop Jinx.
@@Restovic300But why is she trying to stop jinx? In the first season she didn't give a single fuck about piltover and its people. She didn't even care about the things jinx did, she only cared that she was working for silco. But all of a sudden she meets a pretty girl she only knows for about 3 days at most and starts caring about piltover and becomes an enforcer. Wtf vi.
Enforcers didn't separate Vi from Powder. That was Silco, a Zaunite. "Enforcers" also didn't throw her in prison. Marcus may as well have been another of Silco's henchmen, and the alternative had been killing her like Silco wanted. And while it's true her parents were killed by enforcers, it was while they were participating in a violent revolt against Piltover led by Vander. How many enforcers or innocent Piltover citizens didn't similarly have their families torn apart by the violence her parents participated in? Some of y'all need to get some perspective.
From watching this, I've just now realized that S2 Jinx isn't getting as much hallucinations as S1 Jinx did. She's become more stable and grounded to reality ever since Silco died. Makes this scene all the more worse to digest. Maybe bevause of this, she feels a protective instinct for Isha. She's taken the role of Silco when she was Powder.
This scene made me really realize the predatory nature of Caitlyn’s grief, it’s not just that she feels hurt, she feels shame and has to lash out at others to show she does have power. Something no zaunite has the privilege to feel. Hopefully she can learn to separate the two because she seems the only competent person left that could solve the whole crisis that isn’t another Silco but so far I’m doubtful.
Before season 2 I thought that this is Jinx who should be forgiven. But now I see that this is also Vi. This is really unforgivable what she has done to her home, like my heart broke when I have seen that she participated in unleashing Gray. It is also so funny and sad that she told Jinx to stop mocking the memory of her sister, but in fact this is her who has done so. She also has led them to this place, knowing what this place means for both of them. Very sad(
Are ya’ll forgetting that the reason Zaun is in deep shit in the first place is because of Jinx right? Yes Piltover is very exploitative of Zaun and Vi is technically “betraying” the undercity by becoming an enforcer but she is helping not for Piltover but FOR ZAUN. She’s trying to right all the wrongs Jinx has done to Zaun and to Piltover by capturing her. The only reason Vi’s going along with this is to stop the brewing war by capturing her
@@itsallfictional5119 well no, Zaun is not in the big shit because of Jinx, Jinx contributed to the continuation of the chain of violence, but it didn’t start from her. Vi is like “trying to break the chain of violence”, but it’s just shitty excuses. Because violence is not gonna break the cycle of violence) Violence to your people especially
@@liznesterova603the whole reason the war started is because of jinx, i cannot blame Vi for siding with enforcers who want to stop a literal terrorist, i feel pity for jinx but it's impossible to side with her at least for me
This is aside from the topic presented in the video but what if powder instead of being born in zaun was born in piltover? Do you think she would still become Jinx? I think that she would not have became Jinx if her parents were alive & if she was living in piltover.
I always lean on the quotes Vander said. “Taking that path? This? It is not going to solve your problems, it just makes more of them.” “No body wins in war.” “Who are you willing to lose?” “The are worse things than Enforcers out there, we both know that.” When I look back on these quotes, they sound awfully predictable and true. I’m not trying to say Vander was right all along, but he wasn’t a liar by any means.
This scene is my favorite of s2 so far, but I dont understand what makes you say that it shatters Jinx so much and even more than past experiences. Only a couple minutes later she is joking and dancing during the fight scene. And when she is outside, running away, yes she cries but 50% because of the smoke and 50% because of Vi being an enforcer. I really dont understand what they are trying to do here.
Off topic (not really), but I kinda see a new relationship building between Caitlyn and Ambessa as a mother-daughter relationship. Both Medardas and Kirammans are matriarchy family, where women are the head of the house. Caitlyn lost her mother, and I think Mel will be killed by a Zaunite some time in season 2, and Ambessa loses her daughter. They both will have a vengeance against Zaun. Maybe a through Mel's death, we may even see a redemption of Ambessa and Caitlyn? This is similar to Vi and Jinx lose their mother (and even their father figure Vander and Silco for Jinx). Maybe Vi may find someone with a parent-figure in Piltover, and stop being lost. In contrast, Jinx is already becoming a mother- or hero-figure in Zaun.
This is so fucked up man, poor powder. And dont blame vi, powder was manipulated the same way vi was in a way. Its just so fucked. And in the end, she isnt with vi again, she isnt with ekko. For me it was the Bad ending. Even tho it couldve been way worse but it just fucked me up and continues to fuck me up
I hope not, i really hope not, be she told Cait to take the shot if she got it, she also didn't stop the bullet during the first shot, the bullet she believed that was about to kill her sister, she also seemed ready to execute her sister several times herself before being interuppted. At the final scene for example she was about to kill her sister before Isha stepped in.
SPOILERS FOR ACT 1 AHEAD, but if you're watching this video you should have watched it already. Anyway, I didn't like the pacing and characterization for act 1, everything but Cait/Jayce/Jinx's arcs felt extremely rushed. Vi and Viktor were done extremely dirty imo. Vi's choice to become an enforcer and Vik leaving Jayce should have been the apex of the act, just like Cait becoming commander (? Is that the title, idk) was. This scene was awesome, FOR JINX's character. But Vi? She needed only the first episode 40 minutes to be ok to GAS her own people without batting an eye??? And don't get me started on Vik hiding Skye's death from Jayce only the let the cat out of the bag and abandon him literally 5 minutes after waking up from his hexcore sleep. Don't get me wrong, technically the series is still unbelievable in its quality, but I do think the studio kinda got self absorbed in their own skill this time. What were those AMV looking sequences for the funeral of Cait's mother, where we could have get more insight through dialogue or else, or Vi's acts as an enforcer? That wasn't supposed to be a triumphant end for Vi, but an anguished decision. I do hope the writing will be back on track in the next episodes.
I don't think they got absorbed in their own skills thinking they can do really good at writing characters. I legit just think that they literally have 8 episodes and this is the final season. They need to end the story as fast as they can basically. They have to cut some stuff short or make them fast.
Vi is wearing the mask and uniform of the monsters Jinx saw murder their parents, and by using the Grey for cover, has effectively weaponized it against Zaun. Jinx isn't the good guy here, but Vi can't say the same either, now.
Vi is trying to protect people Even those she used to see as enemies, she was badly hurt Even more than Jinx since she was the one protecting Powder while she had to endure all alone, still she gives Piltovers the chance to prove themselves and they show that are just people who want to improve. Vi picks forgive, go on and protect innocents while Jinx picks hate and hurt people and feed the problems.
If you define “weaker” anyone able to: 1) Killing three criminals in less than one second with a pistol; 2) Getting the upper hand into an ambush; 3) Setting different traps into a sanctuary and planning the release of the toxic gas driving it away from your town and your people; 4) Resisting to a massive gut wrenching without dying nor losing consciousness but counterattacking with increased rage and determination…then tell me the definition of “powerful” according to your standards We all know that Jinx wasn’t, isn’t (and will never be) a Mary Sue or even a female Saitama but she proved herself quite determined and fearless by far. I’m pretty sure the best is yet to come…
@@MrRenix1990 Wow okay chill, yes you prove me wrong amazing, now i feel like my opinion is wrong and does not matter. Seems u spent too much time analizing every single detail. See i dont watch every milisecond of story and analize it as if im being paid for that time. I watch to enjoy, not to break down ever milisecond of an action. She still is somehow weaker, thats my opinion, you cannot change it. And no i didnt read your big message,sounds like AI wrote it.
@@LeonStar155 I don’t agree with your opinion, that’s all. If you’ve been offended It wasn’t my intention, but that’s not my problem either. Feel free to ignore my whole comment above if you wish, but it won’t prevent me to write further comments if I want to P.S. Sorry for you but I’m everything but an AI, a robot or a Blade Runner’s replicant. You just took it too hard
@@MrRenix1990 Absolutely agree with your comment, she held her own power in many scenes, even against Vi in hand-to-hand combat (with gauntlets) and emphasised just how powerful she really is, I can’t wait for the rest of the season. I’m sure the other episodes will be just as legendary!!
Its funny cause in season 1. Caitlyn was the replacement to Powder in Season 1 after vi abandoned her. In season 2. Isha is Jinx's replacement to Vi after Caitlyn abandoned Vi
😂😂😂😂 Vi never abandoned Jinx, was all in Jinx mind and she never Let things as reality stop her from taking "revenge" For imaginary insults? Vi was running back to Powder TO PROTECT HER when she was kiddnaped, while Jinx very intentionally disowned Vi to side with Silco.
Watching their fight scene is kinda of funny and also painful. It like I don't want to be the one who kill you but im going to kill you. Honestly i love how relatable the fight scene is, it is like two sisters fighting and frustrated about the other one
thats five words homie
shockingly you are the first person to point this out, I did in fact fuck that up
lol i was counting too :P But honestly great video!
haha
@@flowchartkenYT technically if u separate it's, it'll create 6 words.
It is all clear, sorry Commander.
So don't worry u didn't make a mistake
@@midnight_friends Not to be a grammar Nazi, but "It's" is a conjunction.
It's heartbreaking because this is Jinx's worst fears coming true. Her sister has sided with Caitlyn, the one "monster" she couldn't chase away.
not with just Caitlyn, but with the thing that destroyed their whole lives and took their parents - enforcers. Powder used to know Vi wanted to kill enforcers with every part of her soul, now she's working alongside them. that's what Jinx meant by saying "but you changed too"
And it's totally false, he's sister always went to her and was her who chosed Silco while Vi just didn't want to KILL Catlyn, but was willing to abandon her to run away with JINX until she chosed Silco instead of Vi. Sadly Jinx just makes her own ideas and take it as reality instead of seeing the reality.
@@xCoatlicuex Jinx obviously chose Vi there, she literrally killed Silco to save Vi?
Issue was that Vi tormented her to that point where Silco decided to kill Vi, making Jinx choose between the two, she choose Vi, but then she realised Silco's dead and was shattered, possibly resenting Vi even further for doing this to her, and afterwards Vi didn't say anything to Jinx either, when Jinx said "I wish you loved me like you used to", Vi just stays silent and doesn't tell her she loves her, it is Vi who choose Cait over Jinx.
Jinx was willing to kill the person who wanted to kill her sister, Silco, who was like her father, but Vi on the other hand worked with the person who wanted to kill her sister and helped her in her mission, a girl she just met weeks ago, and in no way what Silco was to Jinx is comparable to what Cait was to Vi.
@@Blaidd1298You have to remember who Silco is to Vi. Silco is the man who killed her father, and he is to Vi what enforcers are to Jinx. Vi did not accept Caitlyn as quickly as Jinx believed.
Edit: what I should have meant is that Slick us what influenced Powder to Vi. He is also the opposite of what Van der stands for and so what she looks up to.
@@Mia-nk1kg Silco was to Vi what Cait is to Jinx yes, though Jinx was also aware of Silco's wrongdoings, "He took everything from us" she said at the tea party.
With all that Jinx killed Silco in Vi's defense, but Vi, so far, worked with Cait and the enforcers to kill Jinx, not stop them, not stay out of it, but actively partake in the manhunt. Also Enforcers are same to Vi and Jinx, it's just that Vi being all over Caitlyn manipulated herself into thinking otherwise, which might change after s2act1 after what had happend.
There’s something else, too. This is the first time we’re seeing Caitlyn and her team, and they’re given the same monstrous portrayal as the Enforcers at the beginning of the show.
All you hear is heavy breathing, and they’re mostly silhouettes with glowing eyes. They don’t look like the characters we like, and seeing how deeply terrified Jinx is at the sight makes it even worse.
One more thing: Jinx can’t bring herself to kill her sister. Vi doesn’t really have this problem until Isha steps in, and that’s when she hesitates.
I disagree with the last sentence. Vi knows children die daily in Zaun and its shown in season 1 when she and Jayce fought the factory workers. Jayce was stunned but she knew this was the ordinary.
She could've shoved Isha out of the way and kill Jinx, but she doesn't. I feel its more about Vi realizing someone cared for Jinx, and so she didnt want to kill her own sister.
Fully disagree, Jinx never had problems hurting Vi, from gaslight her to hit her, shoot at her, kiddnap her, torture her, Jinx was really wanting to hurt and Kill Vi, we see thier faces and were Vi was full of sorrow and pain Jinx was just angry.
@@xCoatlicuex The previous time Jinx shot at Vi was when she as hallucinating with Cait and probably was freaking out and in ep 5 where she think she's playing her because she showed up with an enforcer.
Every time she's upset with her to the point of violence, it's about Cait and it's about Cait because Cait is an enforcer like the ones who killed her parents.
She only resolves to kill her after this scene and even in their fight she's msotly just scratching and wacking her like a child. The fight looks more like siblings wrestling than two people who earnestly want each other dead.
Like they did try to kill each other but their hearts aren't fully in it.
@@azvr8997yea, although the whole fight seemed more like just siblings going at it 😂 I think when Isha came into the picture, Vi also saw a glimpse of Powder again and realised the one person that kept her going for so long was not completely gone
No, Vi still hesitated a lot when Jinx said "I'm ready, it had to be you" before Isha jumped in
To Jinx it is the ultimate betrayal. Not only is her sister hunting her down, but she is also doing it as an enforcer, and with the person who Jinx perceives she left her for.
That's.... exactly what we heard in the video
While it tears me apart to see her in more pain, a part of me wishes someone could have told Jinx: 'That pain you feel right now, is exactly how Vi and Ekko felt after you choose to love and fight for Silco, often against them'.
That is a betrayal as well.
we saw the video too
this is also the only time we see jinx hallucinating in S2 so far
not really, aslo she heard the voice of Silco
@@fei_carriedaway also when sevika told her they got isha
@@brenleysoccerbee at the time only act 1 had been released
3:08 This is a moment that I noticed some good little lore and storytelling. In game, Jinx has named all her weapons: Zap Zap is her pistol, Fishbones is the Rocket Launcher, and she named the gatling gun Pow Pow, the nickname Vi gave her. So as she sees Vi tear through Pow Pow, it means that Vi is serious when she says she won't hold back against Jinx, that she can't hide behind Powder's memory anymore, which is why she has that face of almost solemn realization in the next scene.
I might be looking into that too much, but i thought I'd share my theory.
I was wondering what that scared expression on Jinx's face meant! That's such a good catch, more people like me who don't play league should know about this.
She was already over the edge lol
This is such a good theory omg.
There are so many amazing parallels in this scene. Jinx realizes that she isn’t safe anywhere, and won’t be protected by anyone. I also like the fact that that is proven completely untrue when Isha runs to her side ready to shoot Vi when Jinx is threatened. Jinx sees Powder in Isha, and so do I. They are so much alike. It’s hard to watch Jinx go through this, but I also think it is going to be a detrimental factor in her character arch. Can’t wait for act 2.
Jinx sucks
@@killmonger5097 u suck
Vi sucks
@ Not really, but slay.
@@killmonger5097 WRONG
I think seeing your sister as a enforcer, the people that killed your parents, was also a fact that lead to the panic.
omg i didn't know she did it like that cause sevika liked gambling.. I thought it was already showing how jinx just wants to be useful to others and give but this just makes it even more obvious. SI find the character so relatable...
Yeah I didn’t realize the connection. An allusion to Sevika’s gambling is a better explanation instead of just “a random detail that makes jinx seem even more chaotic”
@@BrandyHoelscher The pain she goes through is even worse when you know even now after all she went through she still just wants to give to people and be useful. It hurts so much more 🥲
Oh yeah, I totally forgot sevika loves gambling. It was shown at least twice in season 1. Before vi decided to pick a fight with her.
It’s so sad that Jinx believes that she is cursed
She kinda is tho
@@AaronChristopher869yes,powder is cursed by jinx
@@Z-EDIT9 Nah, she's cursed by Vi. She just sort of accepted it.
Yeah, it’s true
Jinx is the monster Vi created,
Vi is the monster Caitlin created,
Caitlin is the monster Jinx created
Vi is no monster. Lol. And while Caitlyn seems to be to extreme, her actions are lass extreme than Jinx' but at the same time she has more reason to react in that way. People need to stop simping for Jinx. Being mentally ill does not deny accountability for your actions. While a lot of the "good" characters aren't perfect, Jinx clearly is flawed and a villain. Things are more complex than "Jinx, Caitlyn, Vi = equally good / bad".
@@moritzasbrand9656Idk deliberately releasing toxic gas to suffocate an "enemy" populace into submission doesn't seem any morally better to me than bombs. Also it's not just Jinx's mental illness that has a lot of people "siding" with her, it's also the duality of oppressed Zaun vs. oppressor Piltover, the social class duality, and the police enforcer vs. queer reactionary dynamic. (Yes obv CaitVi are the actual lesbians, but speaking as a lesbian Jinx is much more the "queer outcast" stereotype that many people can relate to)
@@moritzasbrand9656 Every body has a part to be taken accountable for:
- Vi abandoned Powder when she needed her most, even after Vander told her to protect her and love her, opening the doors to Silco to swoop in.
- Jinx is derengend to to her past trauma. The enforcers killing thier parents, being responsible for the death of her friends, her sister "abandonment", a over all Silco's poisonous teachings and the shimmer used to save her from death.
- Caitlin didn't do anything wrong in the first season, but after her mother's death by Jinx's attack she doesn't care about justice anymore and is willing to sacrifice innocent lives to achieve her revenge.
If anyone think that there is a true villan that was Silco. Everyone else has done wrong things do to sentiments of betrayal, giving up on your love ones when they need you and trying to accomplish revenge no matter the cost
@@voidtracer2397 While I agree she made a mistake (hitting Powder and calling her a Jinx), Vi was forced to leave after being kindnapped by an enforcer.
@@BatAmerica Yeah I know, but Powder didn't knew that and Jinx doesn't know to this day. From her perspective her sister abandoned her in the worst moment. That's why I don't see any of the girls here as bad. They all done bad things but they are not villains or nothing similar to that. I just hope Vi and Jinx figure some stuff out before the end.
On Vi not being able to kill Jinx. She does stell herself and was about to move her fist after Jinx says those words but I feel seeing Isha and being shocked that Jinx has someone dependent on her snaps her out of it and was partially the reason she was telling Cait to not shoot.
None of them is ready to kill each other. That would be devastating and dishonorable
Agreed, I initially thought Vi couldn't kill Jinx but was fully intending on finishing the job even after that second of hesitation. It's the little facial movements that really tell the story. And even if Caitlyn had the shot, that hextech powered bullet should have gone through both of Isha and Jinx's skulls.
True
Vi no longer hesitates to kill jinx …
Vi saw Isha as another Powder, trying her best to protect someone they looked up to.
What I love about this whole Scene and set up is that it shows that jinx is still mentally broken and continues to break even more. ( had some people say she would just become numb and do what, which does not make sense.)
Jinx is still very much traumatised by the horror on the bridge when she lost her parents and to see her sister like that absolutely terrifies her. Jinx and vi still somewhat care about each other and even when they fought it act two it was a I don’t want anyone to hurt you-unless I hurt you kind of thing.
Jinx couldn’t even kill vi at that moment because the pain was too great, jinx fights back without thinking, shoots without thinking when she is given time to process and think she feels to much thus why I feel like she couldn’t shoot.
Vi also gets the same scribbles on her face as the enforcer in the very first seconds of s1 ep1
it's the same when Vi realizing Jinx works for Silco
True, but jinx has a reason for working for silco. Vi on the other hand only knew caitlyn for a couple days and never gave a shit about piltover and actively hated the enforcers. But all the sudden she cares about piltover and becomes a enforcer and starts gasing her? Wtf vi!
@@stur3366She chose the power of female boners over her original principles. She's the worst.
@@ip8595Fr, also…it’s the right thing to do, at least for her. Also, Ekko joins the Topside too (Jayce and Heim) soo..
@@ip8595 Alr then :)))
@@ip8595 jayce and ekko will be on the both side, after jayce realize what up city making the underground city more worse and viktor will be the guide too
It’s pretty jarring, Vi being the most stalwart ready to fight the enforcers, only to become one of them. That looming shadow that Jinx was scared of when the series first starts.
It’s a well written contrast.
It's also interesting that when Vi and the squad enter the scene, they use the same visual language with the creature with multiple blue eyes that we saw inside the Gray earlier the same episode. The Gray also appears to have eyes and occasionally a jaw in its depictions in the Kiramman contraption. In E1, the Gray is projected onto Caitlyn's face, not too unlike the scratches over Vi's face in the arcade visually. The enforcer characters seem to be (at least thematically) linked to it, so using the word "demonic" to describe Vi's look IS right, but I have a suspicion it may also be a little more literal than you'd think.
Edit: additionally, the opening montage of E3 features the squad and the Gray heavily, and the lyric “is it bad that I’m making friends with my demons?” could be a cheeky hint.
I noticed this too. Interesting to see what happens
I think it’s more painful because jinx feels seriously replaced even though vi assured her she wasn’t but this to jinx shows who she stands with. She doesn’t just stand with Cait but also piltover. This obviously drew her over the edge
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Vi became the monster from beyond the bridge...
Which is why I hate Vi.
@JavelinAngel1295 what? She doesn't deserve the hate..
@@JavelinAngel1295 she did nothing wrong
@@plethoradulcet ya but some people are not capable of understaning nuance and don't understand that (ESPECIALLY IN THIS SHOW) there is not simply black and white
@@olliewithane6933 Of course there are nuances in the characters. But unfortunately not in the cities themselves. Topside has been oppressing, poisoning and exploiting Zaun for decades. That they wanted to make peace before Jinx doesn't matter. That was pretty late and only came about under conditions and pressure from Silco. V has lived and suffered in Zaun and knows how wrong the situation is. I can understand her acting against Jinx and Silco, maybe I can understand her helping Caitlyn. But the fact that she actively joins the Enforcers makes her the worst character in the show. She could have joined Ekko but instead it's the people who have treated her like dirt for years. She is the only one besides Victor who has seen both sides but unlike him not only ignores the suffering of her former people but is now a member of the group who are known to be violent towards them. Even Warwick says in the game how she has turned her back on everything.
Ill keep defending Vi idc. Vi wouldn’t have the tools she needed to capture and actually stop Jinx for good anywhere else besides in Piltover. Teaming up with Ekko wasn’t on the table for a reason
1. They do not have the resources to contain or capture someone like Jinx, they have literally had conflicts for as long as they’ve been in Zaun and they never win against Jinx, we see that in S1
2. Ekko’s priority and responsibility is not Jinx right now, it’s the tree, his home. Which is what he was busy with along with Jayce while Vi and Jinx fought
Vi still has a good enough sense of morality left in her to stop Cait from going too far. Knowing Vi, if they were to capture Jinx she most likely would’ve stopped being an enforcer after that because she obviously didn’t like the fact that because of the circumstances she had to become something she hated. She has no reason to stay in that position, unless Vi decides to stay in order to change the corrupt and oppressive police system of Piltover.
Jinx has put Vi into this corner, she’s become almost a war criminal, making orphans out of children, being erratic in general. She’s already had other dangerous people come after her, and Jinx may be able to handle herself but to Vi, it would seem like having herself be the one to capture Jinx is the safest way to bring her mayhem to a full stop and also keep her out of harms way, because as much as she likes to say Jinx isn’t her sister anymore, she still loves her. The acceptance of Powders death is there, but the love is still there too. She told Cait to take the shot because she knew that she could never hit the finishing blow on her own little sister
Whether you agree with her actions or not, she still has her reasons, Jinx was willing to kill Powder for Silco and Vi is willing to kill her own integrity to capture Jinx which is tragic
so true. and its not like vi is happy about any of this!!! ive literally never seen her so dour and depressed as she was in episode 3. poor thing. like do people not understand that, while enforcers killed her parents, it was silco and jinx (zaunites) who killed her adoptive family???
Jinx needs to die
@@badbunnyky Bah, did you see her face at the end of episode 1? She is nowhere near as proud and confident as Cait. She seems hesitant and ashamed. She is doing this only because she has no other choice. From her perspective, she only has Cait right now, while Jinx is slowly drifting away. Of course she would go and help her, especially when it's about Jinx.
Discordo completamente. Vi não precisa de Piltover, da Caitlyn ou do Ekko para resolver as questões com a irmã. Se, no primeiro encontro, Caitlyn e Ekko não estivessem presentes, as coisas poderiam ter se resolvido.
Mesmo agora, basta Vi pedir um encontro entre as duas para resolver as coisas, e Jinx certamente iria.
agree! some ppl don't even try to understand Vi and it makes me really sad. She's been through so much too, but because her mental state isn't as evident from the outside, people forget about it.
All vi saw was jinx, when vi saw isha protecting her it reminded vi of powder.
Perhaps she didn't want to kill a little kid.
@GeneJohnson-vy2ci unlike jayce. God he killed one kid and seemed to develop a hunger for it. 😂😂😂
"show don't tell" fortiche really took that serious
Just like the sayings, "You either die as a hero, or live enough to become a villain."
I love how ever since season 1. Jinx had a huge intuition that Caitlyn was evil. Whenever she saw Caitlyn, she would grow horns and a creepy smile. Like, that wasn't just hallucination, SHE KNEW!
Cait only became this way recently due to the grief and rage of having her mother murdered
@@Jonas-ox7eo Before that she was a naive child. Cait is my favorite character but I like this interpretation. Jinx knew before Cait did. But to be fair to Cait she didn't go fully into the darkness. Oh, she went pretty dark but she was strong enough to pull herself back. She never totally lost herself. And at the end turned out to be the much stronger person. I love how Cait held herself accountable at the end.
By the way, we are all evil. Or to say it better evil is just a construct. At least that was a theme of the show which we can take or leave. There is no good or evil but just the struggle.
@@Jonas-ox7eo But it was always within her. Just waiting for something to bring it out. She had the "luxury" of not having to face that within her. Until that luxury was taken away and Cait just folded. Looking back it shocks her how quickly it happened. But by the end I love how though Cait became so self aware. “No amount of good deeds can undo our crimes!” I know the current generation has a problem with pronouns but "our" includes Cait and she knows that in fact at the moment she was saying that she probably was referring to herself more than Jinx. That is also why for those taking about "redemption" this is the wrong place to do so because one of the points of the show (agree with it or don't but that what the show was putting forward) is that redemption doesn't really exist. At least not in the sense many take it as. But just because redemption doesn't exist it doesn't mean we can't start making better choices."You know, I learned from someone very special that no matter what happened in the past, it’s never too late to build something new. Someone worth building it for." I don't think it was a good enough quote to get Jinx back in the fight after losing Isha but I kind of get what the show was going after. You don't do "good" (which by the way again is just a construct at least according to the show) to redeem yourself but of course it's not ever too late to change course despite your past mistakes. You can always build something new. By the way there was an episode of "Angel" that kind of made the same point about redemption.
I’ve never played the games… but obsessed with the show! I’ve been painting their pictures nonstop! ❤
This scene broke my heart >:
I’m so glad you talked about this scene!It’s extremely important and we can see how much pain she was holding in after she gets out and screams..never heard Jinx cry like that
id like to remind everyone that this show is literally all about nuance and the fact that there is no black/white good/bad. there are good characters who do bad things, and bad characters who do good things. vi obviously feels guilt about being an enforcer but doesn't see any other way to stop jinx.
Why exactly does Vi believe she has to stop Jinx? It's not like Jinx ran around, indiscriminately killing whoever was caught in her scope.
@@ingenjannik i think the big initial one is that she spent all the time vi was in jail working for silco (who is responsible for vanders death, and destroying the undercity with shimmer). her next big act was stealing the gemstone, which not only killed a bunch enforcers but severely agitated tensions between the two cities. then on the bridge scene, jinx massacred a bunch of people and literally shot directly at vi and cait. THEN, jinx attacked vi and kidnapped her, telling vi she should kill cait, didn't listen to vi's pleading, and then destroyed any chance for peace by bombing the councilors.
here's some things about vi people seem to not remember- first off, she HATES SILCO!!! as much as if not more than the enforcers. he's brought so much suffering and strife within their home of zaun, and the idea that jinx not only worked for him but effectively became his daughter feels like the ultimate betrayal to vi. why? because Vander was basically their dad after their parents were killed. and the things vander taught vi also influence her views. despite hating enforcers, i don't think she's okay with just killing them indiscriminately. he taught her violence doesn't solve your problems. esp after meeting caitlyn, vi starts to have a much more nuanced worldview, which jinx spits in the face of.
sorry that was long but yeah. vi also considers herself responsible for powders transformation into jinx, so feels she is the one who must right her wrongs.
@@badbunnyky Yeah, makes sense. Not overall, but definitely from Vi's perspective. Witnessing Jinx's genuine affection for Silco could be construed as betrayal in Vi's mind.
@@ingenjannik totally. i guess something to add to my original comment is not only it about nuance, but perspective. like does what cait is doing right now make sense if you look at the whole story? jesus no. but if you look at her POV and consider her actions/experiences thus far, it is a lot more understandable (though still very wrong and obviously reactionary)
and also i think vi is about to defect from the enforcers for this next arc, she is def still very full of conflicting feelings
@@ingenjannikthat's like exactly what she did lol
Finally someone who understands Jinx’s character! Please make more arcane videos
Love your shorts and “short” video analysis😊 you made them so easy and comfortable to consume!
hey thank you 👍
I don't really watch super long videos so I try and make videos I would watch, which usually just end up being shorter. I'm glad you like it!
Omg I need another longer analysis of this scene because it actually breaks my heart seeing their relationship and how even as now an almost adult jinx can’t bring herself to killing her sister (along with vi not being able to kill jinx)
Very nice Video and Analysis.
Thanks!
Vi is a class traiot. The girl from noble house likes her and she got a glimpse of luxurious life in topside in exchange of betrayal of her own people. From opressed she become opressor. Meanwhile Jinx unintentionally become a symbol that Vi wanted to be once. Symbol of fighting for freedom.
"And then a real monster showed up."
There’s also that VI takes Claggors goggles the one thing she had left of her past family and VI the monster takes that too
Vi didn’t even try to understand Jinx! Jinx just wanted unconditional love
Yeah, at the expense of everyone else. Unconditional love is not actually great.
That's very simple minded
Jinx didn’t understand Vi either. That’s a very black and white take for a show that is very diverse.
Jinx didn’t understand vi either
the real question is can they come back from this? Can they reconcile, even if only a little.
Well if this is shattered her, then the last episode of act2 of the 2nd season completely broke her 💀💀
Caitlyn got promoted to Macbeth & Ambessa will be whispering in her ear to go to the extremes to get her revenge. Did not end well for Macbeth, Ok if Vi or Jinx will end up killing Cait that is just too Shakespearean, let's go with Ambessa being the one to die in the final ACT. Not Cait. Even though they have already Set Cait up to be Macbeth, I mean she used the Grey, A Toxic gas that does major damage to the lungs and she used it as a weapon just to get Jinx, Ends Justify the means. Cait was already losing it. I asked AI if there were parallels to Arcane Season 2 and Macbeth possibly being Caitlyn. AI keeps blowing my mind, check this out. If the rest of the season Arcane goes full Macbeth, Based on the scenario you've described, we can draw some interesting parallels between the characters in Arcane and those in Shakespeare's Macbeth. Here's how some of the major Arcane characters might align with Macbeth characters:
Character Parallels
Caitlyn Kiramman as Macbeth
Caitlyn is being positioned as the central figure, similar to Macbeth. She's being manipulated into a position of power, potentially declaring martial law, which mirrors Macbeth's rise to kingship17.
Ambessa Medarda as Lady Macbeth
Ambessa seems to be playing a role similar to Lady Macbeth. She's the manipulator behind the scenes, orchestrating events to push Caitlyn into a position of power for her own ambitions8. Like Lady Macbeth, she's using her influence to shape events and push the protagonist towards a darker path.
Vi as Banquo
Vi could be seen as a Banquo-like figure. As Caitlyn's close friend and potential love interest, she represents a moral compass and a link to Caitlyn's past. Like Banquo, she might become a threat to Ambessa's plans due to her influence over Caitlyn7.
Jinx as Macduff
Jinx, as Caitlyn's nemesis and a symbol of the conflict between Piltover and Zaun, could be seen as a Macduff-like character. She represents the opposition to the new regime and could potentially be the one to challenge Caitlyn's rule8.
Jayce as Duncan
Jayce, as a leader in Piltover, could be seen as a Duncan-like figure. His potential opposition to martial law or his own political ambitions might put him at odds with Caitlyn's new role10.
Mel Medarda as Malcolm
Mel, opposing her mother's militaristic ambitions and working for peace, could be seen as a Malcolm-like character. She represents a potential alternative to the path of conflict10.
Thematic Parallels
The situation in Arcane echoes several themes from Macbeth:
Ambition and its corrupting influence
Manipulation and political intrigue
The burden of power and leadership
The conflict between loyalty and personal gain
It's important to note that while these parallels are interesting, Arcane is its own unique story. The characters and plot will likely diverge significantly from Macbeth as the series progresses, offering its own twists and complexities78
I truly relate to jinx. For my own personal reasons. ❤
Watching their fight scene is kinda of funny and also painful.
It like I don't want to be the one who kill you but im going to kill you.
Honestly i love how relatable the fight scene is, it is like two sisters fighting and frustrated about the other one
I feel like jinx felt heartbreak more than scared when seeing vi with the enforcers, she already knew vi with cait so I think it's more bout vi fully went to the other side
"SIX WORDS FROM MADDIE"
Maddie only said 5
Damn this video blew up, you da man ken
I think the only thing I didn't like about act 1 was vi. I feel like there wasn't enough push back or reaction to her becoming a enforcer from her own perspective. She is literally becoming the thing that killed her parents, destroyed her home, separated her from powder, and thrown in prison for years. She literally became a sell out and I hope people call her out on it.
I hate Vi. Jinx is entirely justified.
After seeing what her sister become, the only way she can be a part of the team that stops her is becoming and enforcer. This isn't about selling out for power is becoming something you hate to stop Jinx.
@@JavelinAngel1295so is vi!
@@Restovic300But why is she trying to stop jinx? In the first season she didn't give a single fuck about piltover and its people. She didn't even care about the things jinx did, she only cared that she was working for silco. But all of a sudden she meets a pretty girl she only knows for about 3 days at most and starts caring about piltover and becomes an enforcer. Wtf vi.
Enforcers didn't separate Vi from Powder. That was Silco, a Zaunite. "Enforcers" also didn't throw her in prison. Marcus may as well have been another of Silco's henchmen, and the alternative had been killing her like Silco wanted. And while it's true her parents were killed by enforcers, it was while they were participating in a violent revolt against Piltover led by Vander. How many enforcers or innocent Piltover citizens didn't similarly have their families torn apart by the violence her parents participated in?
Some of y'all need to get some perspective.
Awesome video
From watching this, I've just now realized that S2 Jinx isn't getting as much hallucinations as S1 Jinx did. She's become more stable and grounded to reality ever since Silco died. Makes this scene all the more worse to digest.
Maybe bevause of this, she feels a protective instinct for Isha. She's taken the role of Silco when she was Powder.
thank you
0:00 *Season 2
S2A2 comes out Nov 16
This scene made me really realize the predatory nature of Caitlyn’s grief, it’s not just that she feels hurt, she feels shame and has to lash out at others to show she does have power. Something no zaunite has the privilege to feel. Hopefully she can learn to separate the two because she seems the only competent person left that could solve the whole crisis that isn’t another Silco but so far I’m doubtful.
I was terrified too
Amazing video
I knew Caitlyn would be undergoing a character change after season one, but seeing Her Dad and Caitlyn loose their empathy hurts.😢
Before season 2 I thought that this is Jinx who should be forgiven. But now I see that this is also Vi. This is really unforgivable what she has done to her home, like my heart broke when I have seen that she participated in unleashing Gray. It is also so funny and sad that she told Jinx to stop mocking the memory of her sister, but in fact this is her who has done so. She also has led them to this place, knowing what this place means for both of them. Very sad(
I hope ekko calls her out on her shit.
Which is exactly why I hate Vi.
Are ya’ll forgetting that the reason Zaun is in deep shit in the first place is because of Jinx right? Yes Piltover is very exploitative of Zaun and Vi is technically “betraying” the undercity by becoming an enforcer but she is helping not for Piltover but FOR ZAUN. She’s trying to right all the wrongs Jinx has done to Zaun and to Piltover by capturing her. The only reason Vi’s going along with this is to stop the brewing war by capturing her
@@itsallfictional5119 well no, Zaun is not in the big shit because of Jinx, Jinx contributed to the continuation of the chain of violence, but it didn’t start from her. Vi is like “trying to break the chain of violence”, but it’s just shitty excuses. Because violence is not gonna break the cycle of violence) Violence to your people especially
@@liznesterova603the whole reason the war started is because of jinx, i cannot blame Vi for siding with enforcers who want to stop a literal terrorist, i feel pity for jinx but it's impossible to side with her at least for me
This is aside from the topic presented in the video but what if powder instead of being born in zaun was born in piltover? Do you think she would still become Jinx? I think that she would not have became Jinx if her parents were alive & if she was living in piltover.
why would she become the same person under completely different circumstances, this makes zero sense
I always lean on the quotes Vander said.
“Taking that path? This? It is not going to solve your problems, it just makes more of them.”
“No body wins in war.”
“Who are you willing to lose?”
“The are worse things than Enforcers out there, we both know that.”
When I look back on these quotes, they sound awfully predictable and true. I’m not trying to say Vander was right all along, but he wasn’t a liar by any means.
This scene is my favorite of s2 so far, but I dont understand what makes you say that it shatters Jinx so much and even more than past experiences. Only a couple minutes later she is joking and dancing during the fight scene. And when she is outside, running away, yes she cries but 50% because of the smoke and 50% because of Vi being an enforcer. I really dont understand what they are trying to do here.
Off topic (not really), but I kinda see a new relationship building between Caitlyn and Ambessa as a mother-daughter relationship. Both Medardas and Kirammans are matriarchy family, where women are the head of the house. Caitlyn lost her mother, and I think Mel will be killed by a Zaunite some time in season 2, and Ambessa loses her daughter. They both will have a vengeance against Zaun. Maybe a through Mel's death, we may even see a redemption of Ambessa and Caitlyn? This is similar to Vi and Jinx lose their mother (and even their father figure Vander and Silco for Jinx). Maybe Vi may find someone with a parent-figure in Piltover, and stop being lost. In contrast, Jinx is already becoming a mother- or hero-figure in Zaun.
Song in background?
This is so fucked up man, poor powder. And dont blame vi, powder was manipulated the same way vi was in a way. Its just so fucked. And in the end, she isnt with vi again, she isnt with ekko. For me it was the Bad ending. Even tho it couldve been way worse but it just fucked me up and continues to fuck me up
She deserved it.. she’s the Villain, Arcane only shows her POV and people loved her even though she’s actually the enemy
she's a villain but she has her own understandable motivations and mental problems, as any good villain should
Jinx is most definitely more than just an “enemy” and this season its clear cait is taking more of that role.
Oof
Season 1 Jinx is a soldier fighting in war, killing the enemy combatants and political leaders of an oppressive, exploitative nation. What a monster.
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Do you think Vi would be able to live with herself if Caitlyn killed Jinx
I hope not, i really hope not, be she told Cait to take the shot if she got it, she also didn't stop the bullet during the first shot, the bullet she believed that was about to kill her sister, she also seemed ready to execute her sister several times herself before being interuppted. At the final scene for example she was about to kill her sister before Isha stepped in.
I kid you not. At first, I thought it was that Scarecrow guy that mimics people's worst memories (not a LOL gamer and don't know his name).
You are talking about fiddlesticks
@markmathew1366 Ohh. Thank you so much for telling me.
@@rlynnmcneil9962 No Problem
Wait song name?
To Ashes and Blood by Woodkid
@ thanksss
SPOILERS FOR ACT 1 AHEAD, but if you're watching this video you should have watched it already. Anyway,
I didn't like the pacing and characterization for act 1, everything but Cait/Jayce/Jinx's arcs felt extremely rushed. Vi and Viktor were done extremely dirty imo. Vi's choice to become an enforcer and Vik leaving Jayce should have been the apex of the act, just like Cait becoming commander (? Is that the title, idk) was. This scene was awesome, FOR JINX's character. But Vi? She needed only the first episode 40 minutes to be ok to GAS her own people without batting an eye???
And don't get me started on Vik hiding Skye's death from Jayce only the let the cat out of the bag and abandon him literally 5 minutes after waking up from his hexcore sleep.
Don't get me wrong, technically the series is still unbelievable in its quality, but I do think the studio kinda got self absorbed in their own skill this time. What were those AMV looking sequences for the funeral of Cait's mother, where we could have get more insight through dialogue or else, or Vi's acts as an enforcer? That wasn't supposed to be a triumphant end for Vi, but an anguished decision.
I do hope the writing will be back on track in the next episodes.
Well put, couldn't agree more!
I don't think they got absorbed in their own skills thinking they can do really good at writing characters.
I legit just think that they literally have 8 episodes and this is the final season. They need to end the story as fast as they can basically. They have to cut some stuff short or make them fast.
Maybe more shows/movies will take the hint and stop explaining everything with unnecessary dialogue.
U guys wanna watch an anime as good as this? Find trigun stampede, it need more attention.
I’ll defend vi till the end 🤷🏽♀️
Vi is wearing the mask and uniform of the monsters Jinx saw murder their parents, and by using the Grey for cover, has effectively weaponized it against Zaun. Jinx isn't the good guy here, but Vi can't say the same either, now.
Vi is trying to protect people Even those she used to see as enemies, she was badly hurt Even more than Jinx since she was the one protecting Powder while she had to endure all alone, still she gives Piltovers the chance to prove themselves and they show that are just people who want to improve. Vi picks forgive, go on and protect innocents while Jinx picks hate and hurt people and feed the problems.
Wow have a cookie by discovering "There are no good guys in Arcane" you little detective
I hate ken players, but I'll sub
Ansiedad
In season 1 Jinx was so powerful.
But in season 2 she is weaker somehow
If you define “weaker” anyone able to:
1) Killing three criminals in less than one second with a pistol;
2) Getting the upper hand into an ambush;
3) Setting different traps into a sanctuary and planning the release of the toxic gas driving it away from your town and your people;
4) Resisting to a massive gut wrenching without dying nor losing consciousness but counterattacking with increased rage and determination…then tell me the definition of “powerful” according to your standards
We all know that Jinx wasn’t, isn’t (and will never be) a Mary Sue or even a female Saitama but she proved herself quite determined and fearless by far. I’m pretty sure the best is yet to come…
@@MrRenix1990 Wow okay chill, yes you prove me wrong amazing, now i feel like my opinion is wrong and does not matter.
Seems u spent too much time analizing every single detail.
See i dont watch every milisecond of story and analize it as if im being paid for that time.
I watch to enjoy, not to break down ever milisecond of an action.
She still is somehow weaker, thats my opinion, you cannot change it.
And no i didnt read your big message,sounds like AI wrote it.
@@LeonStar155 I don’t agree with your opinion, that’s all.
If you’ve been offended It wasn’t my intention, but that’s not my problem either.
Feel free to ignore my whole comment above if you wish, but it won’t prevent me to write further comments if I want to
P.S. Sorry for you but I’m everything but an AI, a robot or a Blade Runner’s replicant. You just took it too hard
@@MrRenix1990 yes i took it hard cus im going trough alot, A bit of sarcasam here: if i were caitlyn you would just boost my bitterness
@@MrRenix1990 Absolutely agree with your comment, she held her own power in many scenes, even against Vi in hand-to-hand combat (with gauntlets) and emphasised just how powerful she really is, I can’t wait for the rest of the season. I’m sure the other episodes will be just as legendary!!
Great animation.... Not too good writing.
lesson:
horniness > political principles apparently
Its funny cause in season 1. Caitlyn was the replacement to Powder in Season 1 after vi abandoned her. In season 2. Isha is Jinx's replacement to Vi after Caitlyn abandoned Vi
😂😂😂😂 Vi never abandoned Jinx, was all in Jinx mind and she never Let things as reality stop her from taking "revenge" For imaginary insults? Vi was running back to Powder TO PROTECT HER when she was kiddnaped, while Jinx very intentionally disowned Vi to side with Silco.
and caitlyn is becoming more like jinx, jinx becoming more like cait. CINEMATIC PARALLELS
Watching their fight scene is kinda of funny and also painful.
It like I don't want to be the one who kill you but im going to kill you.
Honestly i love how relatable the fight scene is, it is like two sisters fighting and frustrated about the other one