It’s gotten so bad to the point where now they have to tow 2816 out of Mexico with a diesel, and they are apparently only running at night to prevent all of this hell from happening all over again because people just cant stand back 25 feet.
@@csxnstrainman I mean it does make since they gotta run it in the dark so that there’s no huge crowds they can’t be delayed any more or hit another person
Now I feel kinda bad for the rail fans in Mexico that were behaving and trying to get shots like we we are able to get here in the us (because everyone mostly behaves around choo choos ) but it had to be ruined (for good, probably) by a buncha people that don’t have common sense when it comes to trains.
One word I would describe 2816's tour is... *Turbulent* I feel like all went decently well with railroaders, railfans and the American Foamers who came to see the old experienced empress cross transcontinental into the Spanish lands and expected high hopes for her, only to end in disaster by the time it hits Mexico (no pun intended). This sorta left 2816's reputation in a rough state. So Scotsman trip 2.0?
I’m pretty sure the wood they put over the lights and number plates was to prevent damage. Also, by towing 2816 back behind the diesels it alows them to cover more ground on a given day because 2816 will consume a considerably smaller amount of fuel.
I like to stay a good ways away from trains when railfanning, so around 10-20 feet away. Usually I try to get close enough that I can wave but far enough so I don’t end up like… well… the person in the orange shirt in Mexico
With what happened, I won't be surprised that no future steam trains from any railroad head south. Not because these businesses hate the people of Mexico, but because of these factors. 1. The clearly displayed ignorance of safety protocol and common sense 2. The serious risk of people getting hurt or killed 3. The possibility of the locomotive being damaged by over excited fans (like climbing on the train when your not supposed to) 4. The looming threat of a lawsuit, or legal action against the company
its not cpkc fault, how ever it sort of is. the people who run the company clearly do not do research towards or focuses on mexico’s rail safety problem. obviously cp 2816 won’t come back on tour they’ll retire the locomotive once the return trip is finished. coming from a mexican, i would love to see the train in mexico, however i would also witness the amount of bullshit people are doing on railroad property. it wasn’t bad that cp 2816 to mexico considering the hype was definitely worth it for them, however the citizens of mexico needs to be more cautious when it comes to trains, and respect it.
From what I've seen the crowds didn't get as bad till a point after Monterrey and a shame that happened with minimal control. At one point it looked liked a whole town came to the tracks and it was pretty chaotic when they closed in on Mexico City looking like the majority of the city came trackside.
Makes me wonder how this would play out if it was India, those guys literally ride the outside of the trains and even walk over tracks, some moments before trains arrive
Yeah, but those guys are savvy and know what they are doing from decades of experience... Except for that one guy years ago that reached up to grab the catenary wire while the crowd yelled "No!!!" but that didn't stop him!!
Yeah some Mexican Railfans we're able to see the Empress upclose at a safe distance (because they have common sense compared to everyone else that almost got hit during the tour) I also wouldn't be surprised if sometime after this Railways like Ferromex will get some Railroad Crossings after making a deal from the Government or something but i have no conformation on that
I watched the video and my stance is no 2816 should not go back to Mexico Unless UNLESS they have a security team by the tracks to keep bystanders from having their skulls crushed inward. I do not have sympathy for people who trespass and can see the engine coming and do this the women could have moved but chose not to and set an example
Great Video And Yeah, It SUCKS That There Are (Some) People Who Don't Respect The Railroads And Railroad Safety, And I Knew Sending CP 2816 To Mexico Was A Bad, And At Best, A Questionable Idea, As I Had A Feeling It Was Going To Get Vandalized As Well As Other Things, It's (Allegedly) Out Of Mexico Now. I'm Sorry For The Mexican Railfans But I'm Glad They (And To Some Extent Mexico As A Whole) Got To Have A Treat, But Unfortunately Due To Some Improper Behavior Of Some People (No Hate Directed Towards Anyone) It's Extremely Unlikely That CP 2816 Will Ever Return To Mexico (Or Any Other Steam Locomotive Will Ever Go Down To Mexico Period). Also, Like I Said In My Comment In Part 1, The Reason(s) CPKC'S Going To Put The North American Railway Industry In An Unstable Postion Is/Are Because If They Start Running (Direct/Non-Stop) Trains From Mexico City To Chicago, IL, Toronto, ON Or Montréal, QC, All Of The Other Class I Railroads Are Going To Complain And Then We'll Be Witnessing The Biggest Railway War In North American Railroading History. I Don't Know What The STB Was Thinking Because That Was A Detail That Was COMPLETELY OVERLOOKED When They Gave This Merger The Greenlight.
This is why Keith Creel shouldn’t merged the KCS system with KCS de México, I swear this is a bad image for themselves, and their historic of Empress, no why wonder the Railroads is a complete laughingstock, with no high speed trains, no manufactured but Siemens and any other European and Asia companies (that I forgot their company’s name).🤦🏿♂️🔥 The Canadian Pacific-Kansas City is a bad example, shouldn’t be the CP Rail System with the US.🇨🇦🇺🇸 I hope Empress towed back to Canada, and I hope there’s no more dangers on the tracks while the tour is settling over, the train is sorta damaged, recently one of the F9s got vandalized, same with one of the coaches with small graffiti, and now Empress’s part of the headlamp either they get damaged or parts got stolen.😒💧 They can’t afford damages or fatal incidents. Just saying.🙍🏿♂️💧
@DanielTheTrainNerd8006 Even Better, Tell CPKC As A Whole To Completely Withdraw From Mexico, Because It Will Put The Rail Industry In An Unstable Position. This Is Becuase They Now Have Service In The U.S. Canada And Mexico Because And If They Start Running (Direct/Non-Stop) Trains From Mexico City To Chicago, IL, Toronto, ON Or Montréal, QC, All Of The Other Class I Railroads Are Going To Complain And Then We'll Be Witnessing The Biggest Railway War In North American Railroading History. I Don't Know What The STB Was Thinking Because That Was A Detail That Was COMPLETELY OVERLOOKED When They Gave This Merger The Greenlight.
It’s gotten so bad to the point where now they have to tow 2816 out of Mexico with a diesel, and they are apparently only running at night to prevent all of this hell from happening all over again because people just cant stand back 25 feet.
What do ya know, the chaos really got to them
They actually left Mexico City around 3am yesterday and from San Luis Potusi at the same time today.
@@csxnstrainman I mean it does make since they gotta run it in the dark so that there’s no huge crowds they can’t be delayed any more or hit another person
THOSE STUPID ILLEGALS
Apparently the engineer of 2816 is traumatized and is refusing to board or even get near 2816 I feel so bad for him
What a baby, typical class 1 employee today
@@trains2057 dude he feels that it was his fault you are being disrespectful
@@trains2057idiot
That's horrible... It's haunting to see steam locomotive accidents in the modern day.
@trains2057
I guess you could say that CP 2816 in Mexico was a "trainwreck"
Now 2816 got towed by diesels for the return trip in mexico to make sure crowds dont get too chaotic again.
Of course, let's hope that by the time she is back in the States.... she'll be leading again.
And the best part is, the diesel towage worked
@@BNSFrailfan01 Indeed it did. :)
But, hey atleast It might lead out of Laredo again.
@@csxguy3002 It is already out of Laredo and leading
Now I feel kinda bad for the rail fans in Mexico that were behaving and trying to get shots like we we are able to get here in the us (because everyone mostly behaves around choo choos ) but it had to be ruined (for good, probably) by a buncha people that don’t have common sense when it comes to trains.
It's going as well as the USA Scotsman tour lol😊
But Scotsman didn’t hit anyone
One word I would describe 2816's tour is...
*Turbulent*
I feel like all went decently well with railroaders, railfans and the American Foamers who came to see the old experienced empress cross transcontinental into the Spanish lands and expected high hopes for her, only to end in disaster by the time it hits Mexico (no pun intended).
This sorta left 2816's reputation in a rough state.
So Scotsman trip 2.0?
2816's reputation remains intact. Mexican rail safety on the other hand...
@@Jo-un6es Fair enough.
Tbh everything came crashing down as soon as 2816 layed a wheel into Mexico. No offense to anyone.
I’m pretty sure the wood they put over the lights and number plates was to prevent damage. Also, by towing 2816 back behind the diesels it alows them to cover more ground on a given day because 2816 will consume a considerably smaller amount of fuel.
I like to stay a good ways away from trains when railfanning, so around 10-20 feet away. Usually I try to get close enough that I can wave but far enough so I don’t end up like… well… the person in the orange shirt in Mexico
With what happened, I won't be surprised that no future steam trains from any railroad head south. Not because these businesses hate the people of Mexico, but because of these factors.
1. The clearly displayed ignorance of safety protocol and common sense
2. The serious risk of people getting hurt or killed
3. The possibility of the locomotive being damaged by over excited fans (like climbing on the train when your not supposed to)
4. The looming threat of a lawsuit, or legal action against the company
2816 in Mexico 2 electric boogaloo
If every railfan acted like this when a heritage unit came up we would all be cooked 😭
2816 and mexico do not belong in the same room
Agreed
2:11 Darwin Award Recipients would argue against that
its not cpkc fault, how ever it sort of is. the people who run the company clearly do not do research towards or focuses on mexico’s rail safety problem. obviously cp 2816 won’t come back on tour they’ll retire the locomotive once the return trip is finished. coming from a mexican, i would love to see the train in mexico, however i would also witness the amount of bullshit people are doing on railroad property. it wasn’t bad that cp 2816 to mexico considering the hype was definitely worth it for them, however the citizens of mexico needs to be more cautious when it comes to trains, and respect it.
Is 2816 still gonna run in the US?
From what I've seen the crowds didn't get as bad till a point after Monterrey and a shame that happened with minimal control. At one point it looked liked a whole town came to the tracks and it was pretty chaotic when they closed in on Mexico City looking like the majority of the city came trackside.
Makes me wonder how this would play out if it was India, those guys literally ride the outside of the trains and even walk over tracks, some moments before trains arrive
Yeah, but those guys are savvy and know what they are doing from decades of experience... Except for that one guy years ago that reached up to grab the catenary wire while the crowd yelled "No!!!" but that didn't stop him!!
Yeah some Mexican Railfans we're able to see the Empress upclose at a safe distance (because they have common sense compared to everyone else that almost got hit during the tour)
I also wouldn't be surprised if sometime after this Railways like Ferromex will get some Railroad Crossings after making a deal from the Government or something but i have no conformation on that
I watched the video and my stance is no 2816 should not go back to Mexico Unless UNLESS they have a security team by the tracks to keep bystanders from having their skulls crushed inward. I do not have sympathy for people who trespass and can see the engine coming and do this the women could have moved but chose not to and set an example
i saw a video of the script heritage unit pulling the entire consist out of mexico and they were hauling straight ASS
That CSX 1869 photo is from DiamondMaster2.0
th-cam.com/video/u16hnIb5zkU/w-d-xo.html
What where the damages on 2816
Great Video And Yeah, It SUCKS That There Are (Some) People Who Don't Respect The Railroads And Railroad Safety, And I Knew Sending CP 2816 To Mexico Was A Bad, And At Best, A Questionable Idea, As I Had A Feeling It Was Going To Get Vandalized As Well As Other Things, It's (Allegedly) Out Of Mexico Now. I'm Sorry For The Mexican Railfans But I'm Glad They (And To Some Extent Mexico As A Whole) Got To Have A Treat, But Unfortunately Due To Some Improper Behavior Of Some People (No Hate Directed Towards Anyone) It's Extremely Unlikely That CP 2816 Will Ever Return To Mexico (Or Any Other Steam Locomotive Will Ever Go Down To Mexico Period). Also, Like I Said In My Comment In Part 1, The Reason(s) CPKC'S Going To Put The North American Railway Industry In An Unstable Postion Is/Are Because If They Start Running (Direct/Non-Stop) Trains From Mexico City To Chicago, IL, Toronto, ON Or Montréal, QC, All Of The Other Class I Railroads Are Going To Complain And Then We'll Be Witnessing The Biggest Railway War In North American Railroading History. I Don't Know What The STB Was Thinking Because That Was A Detail That Was COMPLETELY OVERLOOKED When They Gave This Merger The Greenlight.
This is why Keith Creel shouldn’t merged the KCS system with KCS de México, I swear this is a bad image for themselves, and their historic of Empress, no why wonder the Railroads is a complete laughingstock, with no high speed trains, no manufactured but Siemens and any other European and Asia companies (that I forgot their company’s name).🤦🏿♂️🔥
The Canadian Pacific-Kansas City is a bad example, shouldn’t be the CP Rail System with the US.🇨🇦🇺🇸
I hope Empress towed back to Canada, and I hope there’s no more dangers on the tracks while the tour is settling over, the train is sorta damaged, recently one of the F9s got vandalized, same with one of the coaches with small graffiti, and now Empress’s part of the headlamp either they get damaged or parts got stolen.😒💧
They can’t afford damages or fatal incidents. Just saying.🙍🏿♂️💧
I SMELL CONTENT (part 2)
Friend, but why are you saying that it was a bad idea to bring amazing engineering things to Mexico?
It sounded fine at first but man execution was horrible.
hello
Again WHY CPKFC WHY ARE YOU SENDING A AWESOME STEAM LOCO TO A COUNTRY THAT SHIT IS GONNA HAPPEN
@DanielTheTrainNerd8006 Even Better, Tell CPKC As A Whole To Completely Withdraw From Mexico, Because It Will Put The Rail Industry In An Unstable Position. This Is Becuase They Now Have Service In The U.S. Canada And Mexico Because And If They Start Running (Direct/Non-Stop) Trains From Mexico City To Chicago, IL, Toronto, ON Or Montréal, QC, All Of The Other Class I Railroads Are Going To Complain And Then We'll Be Witnessing The Biggest Railway War In North American Railroading History. I Don't Know What The STB Was Thinking Because That Was A Detail That Was COMPLETELY OVERLOOKED When They Gave This Merger The Greenlight.