Catelyn's Dark Side: What Game of Thrones Will NEVER Show You! - A Song of Ice and Fire (End Game)

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  • Welcome back for another A Song of Ice and Fire video. Today I am talking about our old friend, Lady Catelyn, who is now known as Lady Stoneheart. This is one of the many interesting characters from the books, but for whatever reason Game of Thrones decided to leave her out of their show. For those of you that don't know, Lady Catelyn was resurrected as Lady Stoneheart after the Red Wedding. When Arya Stark when warging inside of Nymeria, she picks up on her mother's scent, and pulls her from the river. This leads to the Brotherhood without Banners finding her body, then Beric Dondarrion gives her the Kiss of Life, which passes his life flame to her. Ever since this day, Lady Stoneheart has been on a mission. She is hunting down any and everyone involved in the Red Wedding, and this leads to her capturing Brienne, Podrick, and Ser Hyle. Brienne is held under suspicion of working with Jaime Lannister, which leads to all sorts of fun and shenanigans. My question is: where does Lady Stoneheart's story go from here? What will happen when Brienne brings Jaime back to Lady Stoneheart and the Brotherhood? Will their be another Red Wedding? Will Lady Stoneheart gives the Kiss of Life to Jon Snow? As of right now, Jon Snow has not been resurrected, so many fans thinks this can be done through Lady Stoneheart, but I'm not so sure. Let me know what you think about some of these ideas. Thanks for watching the video!
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  • @Blep42O
    @Blep42O 5 ปีที่แล้ว +385

    This is the one story I wanted to see on the show. I was so bummed about it

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      It would have been amazing if they added it.

    • @taylorsmith3211
      @taylorsmith3211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      In a way, yes; but when you actually think about it, it's a ridiculous story line. At least for the show. I think it makes much more sense to tell this revenge plot through the actions of Arya instead. It creates more focus for the show and gives Arya more purpose. The only thing hanging off this plot reconstruction for the show is the eventual fate of Beric. What will his ultimate purpose be when he dies. If not to give his resurrection power to Catelyn, will he possibly give it to Jon if he dies again during battle? Time will tell. If they do nothing with Beric's fate and he just dies though, then f**K D and D.

    • @Firenutz
      @Firenutz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Taylor Smith He’s going to sacrifice himself to save The Hound! Then we get Cleganebowl! Right, TT?! 🤘🏼😝🤘🏼

    • @taylorsmith3211
      @taylorsmith3211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @chris johnston, exactly. I'm sure they thought that her warging wasn't necessary to the overall story they're trying to tell and figured it would be better to keep the warging power of main characters specifically to Bran and his story.

    • @taylorsmith3211
      @taylorsmith3211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @William, that would make a lot of sense considering their history together, but who knows. As far as Cleganebowl is concerned, I really hope that he tag teams with Arya to take him down. Cross a name off both their lists ;). That, to me, would be epic.

  • @EWJHalifu2766
    @EWJHalifu2766 5 ปีที่แล้ว +422

    It would be nice if Lady Stone-heart were told who Jon Snow really is and she then decides to give him the kiss of life.

    • @jphinojosacorral
      @jphinojosacorral 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      wooo that would be so cool

    • @SharonPernes
      @SharonPernes 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      No she has to become a wight and John will have to kill her, probably in front of the girls. She was always horrible to John and this would be the ultimate decision that he has to make.

    • @amalantrahhymn4555
      @amalantrahhymn4555 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      There was a reason why ned did not tell her and would prefer to have her beleive jon is his bastard. He obviously did not trust his own wife with that truth...

    • @Hemmetime
      @Hemmetime 5 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      @@amalantrahhymn4555 it's more that ned needs her to hate Jon to make it more believable that he would have a bastard

    • @rhi3rhi391
      @rhi3rhi391 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Eric Winston yes!! I really wish they would of included her as Lady Stoneheart in the TV show

  • @varun1348
    @varun1348 5 ปีที่แล้ว +309

    Ohh come on man why do you want to put that particular scene where Catelyn's throat is slit open in a loop😥

    • @kareemg.w5849
      @kareemg.w5849 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Lmaoooo man i was getting ready to say the same.

    • @Bubbles2cute4u
      @Bubbles2cute4u 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Varun bundy the scream before she has the throat cut is actually haunting.

    • @karenbaumgartel6077
      @karenbaumgartel6077 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I agree! I had to cover my eyes partially every time! I couldn't stand to see it over and over!

    • @tasneemedwards2574
      @tasneemedwards2574 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Omg I was thinking the same thing , it's horrendous 😰💔

  • @Che_sells_Cshells
    @Che_sells_Cshells 5 ปีที่แล้ว +235

    I don’t think Catelyn would want to keep living. She would secure her children’s lives then walk into the river to her father.

    • @PedroLucas-mg5je
      @PedroLucas-mg5je ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think either Arya will give her the gift of mercy or Jon (after resurrection) stabs her heart, forging Lightbringer (or Melisandre will receive the Nissa Nissa treatment)and putting Stoneheart to rest with Sansa, Arya, Bran, Rickon, Blackfish and Edmure watching!

    • @georgepkelley
      @georgepkelley ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She died and came back, so who she was before death is not who she is after death. Like come on already

    • @slipstreamxr3763
      @slipstreamxr3763 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PedroLucas-mg5je Arya will probably be the one to end her. Arya's NK kill in the show is probably meant to be how she kills Lady Stoneheart in the books. Jon Snow will be the one to deal with the book version of the NK who is probably going to be linked to Bran. Jamie will be the one to kills Ceresi in the books and Sansa will probably be the one to figure out Littlefinger on her own. She now possibly knows that it was LF pulling the strings that lead to her family's death and her imprisonment in Kings Landing, she'll play along with his schemes by doing what she has always been doing by pretending to not be a threat, then she'll be the one to end him in the books.

  • @Khaleesi_Of_NZ
    @Khaleesi_Of_NZ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +181

    Ever since Arya killed Petyr Baelish I've thought maybe Lady Stoneheart will be the one to do this in the books.

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Hmmm, maybe so!

    • @anomietoponymie2140
      @anomietoponymie2140 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      That would be a much more satisfying death for Baelish.

    • @emintey
      @emintey 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I think it likely that in the books it is likely that lady Stoneheart is the one behind the reverse red wedding using Jaime and Brienne and not Arya.

    • @ThatFoxJD
      @ThatFoxJD 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      i can see her finding out about Petyr but toying with him by saying "Do you love me, do you still think I'm beautiful?" to which he replies uneasy "yes..of course" but quickly snaps back with "more lies!" and before Petyr can finishing saying "wait cat i lo-" she kills him

    • @irkz6690
      @irkz6690 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Looks like arts will do most of the things lady stoneheart will do

  • @branstark4178
    @branstark4178 5 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    while reading the chapter when Arya pulls her mother from the river i stopped reading when she says "rise" and i started crying and cursing GRRM and his messed up mind. Then i praised it 10 seconds later. He not only shocked us by killing cat and rob he also made cat's daughter drag her mother's dead body out of the river. MESSED UP, messed up and genius.

  • @fluffyspunsugar
    @fluffyspunsugar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +216

    If Lady Stoneheart can get her hands on Melisandre's necklace, maybe she can transform herself back to Catelyn Stark.

    • @mbnhiphopmusik6429
      @mbnhiphopmusik6429 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      She might look like her. She would likely still not be her.

    • @LordofFullmetal
      @LordofFullmetal 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      One of the things this series makes very clear is that death CHANGES you. I don't think she'd be the same person.

    • @mightyshady1016
      @mightyshady1016 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@LordofFullmetal Death changes you? Jon didnt change. Neither did the dude that died like 9 times.

    • @iankof90
      @iankof90 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@mightyshady1016 his actor changed though ;)

    • @maggieoconnell3775
      @maggieoconnell3775 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t think it would happen but I rlly want it to

  • @stupidusername84
    @stupidusername84 5 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I love that Brienne’s impossible choice parallels Jaime’s: be an oathbreaker or save the innocent. I think Brienne will break her oath (just like Jaime did with the mad king) and kill Lady Stoneheart

    • @ronmaxwell2296
      @ronmaxwell2296 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Brienne could lie to lady stone heart

    • @TheMonkeygoneape
      @TheMonkeygoneape ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ronmaxwell2296 It's too bad we will never see what happens between Lady Stone Heart and the more mature Jamie

  • @Andrea-nom
    @Andrea-nom 5 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    Arya sees her father, mother, and eldest brother die. I can’t imagine what that did to her. Her final character arc will be amazing!

    • @SynneDennis
      @SynneDennis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Arya didn't see Ned die though right? I thought she was made to look away.

    • @zaynrivers7433
      @zaynrivers7433 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      SynneDennis by that logic she didn’t see any of them die, but she was there

    • @betimsulejmani1001
      @betimsulejmani1001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Surprise surprise

    • @mortalkomment8028
      @mortalkomment8028 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They destroyed Jon's and Arya's arc. And Jaime's, Cersei's, Brienne's, Tyrion's, Dany's. Everyone's.

    • @kecleonboi
      @kecleonboi ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Update: it will not be amazing

  • @lyannatargaryen3223
    @lyannatargaryen3223 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I think it was an opportunity lost that the show didn’t include the warging abilities of Arya, Jon, and Daenerys. They’re all so good at it that they don’t even realize they could/were doing it.

  • @garvitxduggal
    @garvitxduggal 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I really wanted to see lady stoneheart

  • @emintey
    @emintey 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I dont think it's possible for Lady Stoneheart to resume anything like a normal life, not only her body after having been dead for several days but in her heart and essence, so much of her is gone in terms of her thoughts, feelings and memories, she's just a black shadow of the woman who she was...good enough for tracking down and murdering her foes but not for anything else and she would know this and not make the attempt. It may well be that rather than Arya it is lady Stoneheart who is responsible for the reverse red wedding (the decimation of House Frey) possibly with the help of Jaime after Brienne brings Jaime before lady Stoneheart, a way for Jaimie to prove his innocence as Brienne did in bringing Jaimie. I guess we'll find out...one day.

  • @carlosbarboza3655
    @carlosbarboza3655 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Brienne fight with the last of the Mummers IS crazy awesome scene at the books. The series are a great show and fun to watch, but the books have so much more depth. It is normal to be it, and by all means it put the show down. The show mix up several time lines within less characters. It is clear, at the books, that the Freys will have it back on the Red Wedding, and the show finishing them all off at once with Arya, is for me a clear sign of that. Jamie helping Lady Stoneheart for sure it is a logic path for his on going redemption, but will not come easy. The Blackfish is on a guerrilla mode if recall well, would be nice if Jamie is the one to find him, and to have some kind of scene like that in the show when they meet, "Sieges are dull"... Great video!

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yup, the Blackfish is still hiding in the shadows right now, but it's only a matter of time before he enters the game again. I hope he plays a part in the Lady Stoneheart - Jaime Lannister storyline.

  • @iloveadele21
    @iloveadele21 5 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    Last time I came this early I was still on incognito mode

    • @TakaNoSasuke
      @TakaNoSasuke 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This does put a smile on my face.

    • @mrvulture8981
      @mrvulture8981 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Damn it took way too long from me to relase this...

    • @rodrickhatton8636
      @rodrickhatton8636 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ha! It happens

  • @dougtexas
    @dougtexas 5 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I don't know how you do it, but I'm always amazed at your insight and skill in bringing it to us.

  • @kivend.7048
    @kivend.7048 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    AWESOME!!! I cant click fast enough whenever i see a new video posted!!
    Lady stone heart is a badass.. i wish they would have introduced her in the show

  • @jerynsutton7361
    @jerynsutton7361 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    The StoneHeart story is really cool and creepy. They missed a great story line that would have made the show even better but then again if they screwed it up like the Dornish plotline...maybe we came out ahead!! Lol
    I think I'm more stoked about the book than I am season 8!! Thanks for the video, man. Awesome stuff.

    • @emintey
      @emintey 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I really like the Lady Stoneheart character but I read somewhere that GRR Martin later regretted creating her. The TV series is wonderful and perhaps the best video recreation of a book ever, but inevitably it cant include everything.

    • @backstabbingscumbag6657
      @backstabbingscumbag6657 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That’s actually wrong considering George has said multiple times he wishes the show included her.

  • @fernandacruz5288
    @fernandacruz5288 5 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    This video made me want to read the books ! They skip the good stuff in the show 😑

    • @angelalamb632
      @angelalamb632 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      The books are fantastic!

    • @emintey
      @emintey 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I cant imagine anyone not reading the books if they are a fan of the show.

    • @001Flange
      @001Flange 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@emintey especially with such long gaps between seasons.

    • @greedykibble
      @greedykibble 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lady stone heart is the only reason I want to read the books. And if I ever do it will be for her.

    • @tj_2701
      @tj_2701 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The books are ten times better than the show at least

  • @ronihackett2910
    @ronihackett2910 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Wow Book v Show, this video is on point! Lady Catelyn and Brienne both of their faces had been disfigured and close to death (Brienne) or dead (Lady Catelyn). Excellent narrating, brilliant topic, thank you!

  • @KayFiedler
    @KayFiedler 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank God your back, I wait every day for your videos, can’t wait, thank you so much.

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much!! That is nice to hear.

  • @HOTDNews
    @HOTDNews 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I would love such an interesting character but Beric is one of my favourite :-)
    Still a great video!!!

  • @BonanzaRoad
    @BonanzaRoad 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As always Dan, excellent overview and analysis.

  • @ws7919
    @ws7919 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man i cant get enough of your channel your insite into GOT is mind blowing i havent read the books i think there is so much that you've said that they could have put into the show

  • @kdub2627
    @kdub2627 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Because of you I bought all five books! Thanks for the awesome videos. I'm still on the first book though lol

  • @ericthomas7643
    @ericthomas7643 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video! I love Lady Stoneheart’s story. Thanks for sharing this! Wished she could’ve been on the show.

  • @SithScribe21
    @SithScribe21 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Good stuff, as per usual!

  • @brianbernstein3826
    @brianbernstein3826 5 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    the books are sooooo much better than the show. I know that's a cliche/nerdy statement but with GOT it really is true. The writer is so spectacular, he's like another Tolkien

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      No question. Thanks for your response.

    • @stevem2323
      @stevem2323 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      If the book is written in a great fashion no TV show or a movie has a chance to be better, absolutely none. Lord of the Rings movies were masterpieces but still nowhere near the books in terms of the quality.

    • @Fauss
      @Fauss 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      But GOT started so well.. The first season has to be the best adapted film from books ever..

    • @stevem2323
      @stevem2323 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Fauss It is always easier when the story is starting and the storylines are developing and branching out. When you have to conclude the storylines, characters and plot lines it's a different mattet all together, then it becomes tricky.

    • @emintey
      @emintey 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You know, I dont think that GRR Martin is a great writer but I do think he's a phenomenal story teller. His words dont carry the beauty or deep insight of a great writer but as far as complexity, interest and originality of his story telling he may have no equal.

  • @stefanfilipovits21
    @stefanfilipovits21 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the channel dude, always have. I especially love these types of videos where we get a mix of a reading of the text & some theorizing.

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I like making these too. I wish it didn't take so long to do, but that's alright. As long as people enjoy them I'll keep making them. 😁

  • @markpjf85
    @markpjf85 5 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I do think that lady Stonehart will just give the kiss of life to jon and then turn to dust

    • @mcd6163
      @mcd6163 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Mark PJF85 hell no, she hates Jon, it would be her worst nightmare

    • @markpjf85
      @markpjf85 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      fauxpiano V2 no she not cat though in her physical present she a revengeful Spirit that need to past a kiss of life too and someone worthy of the kiss will be jon I think anyway

    • @mcd6163
      @mcd6163 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mark PJF85 no matter what she hates Jon, she has always been selfish and will stay selfish. She would rather give it arya Sansa or bran

    • @markpjf85
      @markpjf85 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      fauxpiano V2 she was selfish yes and does depend on what grrm will do with lady stoneheart and who she give her life too in the story so far And what going to happen next in the great war will see but heading intothe direction to jon as he is dead now and his Spirit in ghost

    • @DiannelLaird
      @DiannelLaird 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      fauxpiano V2 she may have hated Jon but only because she thought he was her husband’s & his lovers child. When she finds out the truth don’t you think she will feel so bad that she will want to help him in anyway she can after all she was friends with his mother and will understand why her husband had to keep the secret.

  • @My5StarLife
    @My5StarLife 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this is such a great vid. i have most of the same thoughts you do on this topic and im glad somebody could piece it together as well as you

  • @kristinfrostlazerbeams
    @kristinfrostlazerbeams 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So awesome, I need to read the books. I had no idea that Cayliyn was "alive" in the books. Thank you for the lengthy explanation because people like me need it. :)

  • @bongodrumzz
    @bongodrumzz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Lady Stoneheart's introduction now wouldn't make sense, its way too late for that, but it would have thrown another spanner in the works, possibly even for the Night King, pity eh? Great work TT, you da man!!

  • @drd6893
    @drd6893 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Actually that’s not the last thing cat heard
    Lord Bolton said. “The Lannister’s send their regards “
    Not Jaime Lannister sends his regards, Just the Lannister’s send their regards. 👍🏽

  • @serpent6827
    @serpent6827 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It would have been cool to see Lady Stoneheart in the show but I'm still satisfied with whats happened in the show and books.
    Great vids as always TT.

  • @quay1251
    @quay1251 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a great video!! Thanks so much!💯💞🙏🙌💪👏

  • @garymcneal4539
    @garymcneal4539 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You are the best brother, couldn’t get through waiting for the final season without you!

  • @jessicabaublit2835
    @jessicabaublit2835 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you can't tell by my sparatic comments, I've been a subscriber for years. Now that the show is over I binge and even re watch your videos frequently. Just know that all of your work, thoughts, content, is incredible and means a lot to many of us. I look forward to all of your uploads involving GOT and ASOIAF. havnt read the books yet but I plan to do so. Keep pushing man! Loving it!

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Jess! I'm happy you're still here.

  • @Jennifer-di4nl
    @Jennifer-di4nl 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    LMAO 😂 You timed your "Bye" at the end perfectly with Stonehearts collapse!

  • @witchfindergeneral2504
    @witchfindergeneral2504 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fantastic video one of the best ones I have ever seen, I loved it.

  • @drd6893
    @drd6893 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve read all the books several times
    But i am always so happy to listen to your reading and stories

  • @mikewazzupski
    @mikewazzupski 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    The red wedding was one of the best scenes in game of thrones

  • @davidgrant6262
    @davidgrant6262 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video again my friend. Great ideas and theories. Still a long wait till the show is back on so keep the videos coming

  • @CoRoy-G
    @CoRoy-G 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The long videos are dope! Keep up the good work, plus the white walker music in the back ground is awesome in some of your other videos!

  • @Jockeylotforfun
    @Jockeylotforfun 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I 'll never forget reading the Red wedding in the book before the show! I was so shocked, I kept re-reading it saying no, noway..this can't be true! great job Dan, love QOT.🌹

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was intense!! Thanks QOT

    • @kevanbaconofficial
      @kevanbaconofficial 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd read the books long before the show started, so when everyone was getting really into GoT, I posted a synopsis of the various Season 1 characters who died. I lost a few facebook friends over that one, hahaha

    • @Jockeylotforfun
      @Jockeylotforfun 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TalkingThrones 1st Ned, then Catelyn and Robb! I said that's it, I'm done with this dam story...that just lasted a few days, 20 years later, I'm still all-in!

  • @vee8610
    @vee8610 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here early!! another great video!!!

  • @cliffordheart8261
    @cliffordheart8261 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    She will take Jamie and take revenge on the house Frey this will take some time and Jamie will stay loyal to her till he dies in winterfell (but I'm getting ahead of myself). More importantly though she will collect the second sword that completed ice. Then with Gendry she will travel North with the Brotherhood without banners to winerfell when they find out the north is held by John Snow. At first she will probably be pissed but after arriving she will see brain, Aria, Sansa. I believe Sansa will hold the Knights of the vale by then and be known as a Stark that saved the vale with Littlefinger getting to fly out the moon door.
    Once lady stoneheart gets there the first thing she'll do is visit the Crips. Being so in-between live and death she will see more then we know and she will finally learn the truth about John and even more important how to love him! Gendry Will Forge ice and lady stoneheart will give her heart that is no longer made of stone to temper it for John to to use it against the night King.
    I'm a belief that ice was a special sword and this is due to the special properties that was used in it. That even as it was melted down we were shown in the show and heard it in the books of the uniqueness of it.

  • @judybrown4993
    @judybrown4993 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    love all of ur videos! keep it up. Watching from Panama City, Panama

  • @carloswilson2113
    @carloswilson2113 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Epic as always !! This channel ❤❤

  • @darrylreid8145
    @darrylreid8145 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your videos are well put together. Cheers.

  • @newmoon4989
    @newmoon4989 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing as always 👑👑another masterpiece 👏🏻👏🏻keep coming so good🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! That's really nice of you to say.

    • @newmoon4989
      @newmoon4989 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for your time I really enjoy your job👑👑🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • @margaretsieger2862
    @margaretsieger2862 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow Dan the videos keep getting better and better. Nicely done.

  • @assumptionisthemotherofall2402
    @assumptionisthemotherofall2402 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly if I had never read the books or seen the show your channel would negate me needing them 👍🏿

  • @generalPWNS
    @generalPWNS 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video. Really tied the story together AND outlined the differences between the show and the book. I think GRRM does a great job of building the trials and torture that Brienne must endure throughout her story. Hopefully, she is destined for greatness.
    Love the fact that Nymeria is still on the lam. GRRM really loves to sprinkle in the fact that Arya dreams as Nymeria. So does Jon with Ghost, but never as detailed. I wonder how this will play out, if at all, in the show.
    I wonder if the chapter on Sixskins, the Wildling Warg, that traveled with Mance Rayder has anything to do with the time Jon may spend within Ghost...You made a good point here, but logistically, it would be tough for the Hangwoman to get to the wall...however, perhaps the entire story of Beric and the BWB sets the precedent for the Red Clergy's ability to revive....

  • @emmaagostini5757
    @emmaagostini5757 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hi TT, I was just thinking about the Riverlands ' book plot in next volumes... What about Thoros of Myr? Reading Brienne's chapter I had the feeling He wasn't happy about the turn the Brotherood had taken after Beric's death. Could him be part of LS's final death after her vengeance? I also love the theory of a Red Wedding 2.0, even if I don't want Devan Lannister to die in this possible wrdding. He was funny to read. Anyways, as always good work! See you in your next video

  • @chrisleufkens5445
    @chrisleufkens5445 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video!!!! Thank you, as I am just NOW reading the books ( on your advice) !! Your the best!!!

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's great! Thank you.

    • @aryastark7103
      @aryastark7103 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Talking Thrones he’s such an amazing actor

  • @lynsmalec5484
    @lynsmalec5484 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am loving these videos!!! Thk u!

  • @freyedattheedges5229
    @freyedattheedges5229 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fantasy is not my genre so i tried the show first. I loved it from the moment Waymar Royce, Will and Gared left Castle Black. I've read the books and admit there is so much more to be gained from them. They're the first Fiction books that i have read. Your video on ''five scene's that GoT could not show'' proves that point.
    Your videos are really good

  • @craigscott822
    @craigscott822 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Dan , sorry I've not commented much , I've had such a crazy past few weeks but I'm all caught up with you and G.A. so all is good in my realm lol ...
    Hope you're all good and the GoT fans are all happy and healthy x
    Much love

  • @chrisph9910
    @chrisph9910 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think she will eventually give Jon the Kiss of Life, but later in the books, during the Great War. I think at Castle Black it will again be Melisandre. Then later once the War for the Dawn has started, Jon will fall in battle, and then be resurrected by LSH as a form of atonement for all she did to him as a boy. In the show it will play out similar, but with Beric giving Jon Snow the Kiss of Life.

  • @88happiness
    @88happiness 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this. I'd been wondering about Cat and I'd forgotten where her story got up to .

  • @sav4470
    @sav4470 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This was so good. I have no idea what's going to happen with her, but resurrecting Jon is too sweet for GoT

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching!

    • @MrJoeylj
      @MrJoeylj 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      But he was lol

    • @sav4470
      @sav4470 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrJoeylj not by stoneheart. I'm referring to grrm making stoneheart resurrect Jon.

    • @PedroLucas-mg5je
      @PedroLucas-mg5je 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sav4470 It would've make more sense if she's the one who crowns Jon King in the North in the books instead of Sansa, Arya, Bran and Rickon! (If Arya doesn't get killed by the FM when she tries to leave Braavos and if BR and the COTF let Bran get out of that cave)

  • @kayprince8321
    @kayprince8321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very Interesting, I can't wait to see how this version of the story pans out.

  • @bsweat9230
    @bsweat9230 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You amaze me! Through your pov I appreciate the craftsmanship of the TV show Producers as well as Martin's writing skill. How do you do what you do? Just keep it up. The looong night is almost over! ♡♡♡

  • @Tbbbbba
    @Tbbbbba 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Top notch video, Ser

  • @mrvulture8981
    @mrvulture8981 5 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    It sucked how Arya killed Freys... I feel like it was to easy and fast...

    • @medeaendor3706
      @medeaendor3706 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is it different in the books? I am still not there yet

    • @mrvulture8981
      @mrvulture8981 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@medeaendor3706 it has not happened in books

    • @xzerox200922
      @xzerox200922 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      AHAHHHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHHHAH
      YOU'RE SO FUNNY

  • @sumayyaaabdelmalik607
    @sumayyaaabdelmalik607 5 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    There must always be a Stark in Winterfell: do you think the night King came back because there wasn't a Stark in Winterfell

    • @pierce9128
      @pierce9128 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sumayyaa Abdelmalik great theory, haven’t heard it before. Makes sense with the theory’s about who the he is meant to be

    • @SharonPernes
      @SharonPernes 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He,could actually be a Stark from way back when and is going to go back there. Interesting theory.

    • @gabrieladerre2862
      @gabrieladerre2862 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The White Walkers were already "awake" a while before all the Starks had left Winterfell. It's possible that he was still asleep up until the time that we were introduced to him. However, that seems unlikely. However, since we haven't been given any details, so far as I'm aware, it's a possibility.

    • @blitzkriegdiscord3366
      @blitzkriegdiscord3366 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Its pretty self explanatory, Winterfell is the home of the Starks and from there is the North led. If there is no Stark in Winterfell, there is no one to lead the North should there be a crisis.

    • @zacksilver8257
      @zacksilver8257 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Daniel Hernandez exactly. Idk why everyone is over-analyzing that.

  • @Belovelyava
    @Belovelyava 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video, makes me want to re=read the books!

  • @angelalamb632
    @angelalamb632 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great vid Dan.. Such a shame Lady Stoneheart wasn't incorporated into the shows, do hope she's in the last books

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      She will be. Grrm said she had a part to play.

    • @PedroLucas-mg5je
      @PedroLucas-mg5je ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TalkingThrones And he also said that he's been writing POV chapters of Jaime and Brienne, so the 3 of them will get out alive!

  • @bobbicatalano
    @bobbicatalano 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as always❣️ With a renewed need to start reading the books .. Such a slacker 😇

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks, Bobbi.. I've been reading again, but it is a task. These books are so damn long lol..

  • @lexibrowning7447
    @lexibrowning7447 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just read the books. This is definitely the most drastic difference in quality between books and movies/tv I’ve ever seen. The show amazing but if you times that by 10, that’s the book. George is the modern day Tolkien.

  • @auntietoya1980
    @auntietoya1980 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love this videooooo!!!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @Kiki-ny7qr
    @Kiki-ny7qr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    After watching many videos about the story from the book series I feel like there’s too much I didn’t know. I always thought that the tv series were closely adapted from the book, but damn I was so wrong. Gonna go and find the book version to read the book after this also good content!

  • @ahsansiddiqui4263
    @ahsansiddiqui4263 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    rob stark shouldve jut married the Home Secretary, i mean Lord freys daughter, she was hot!

    • @ladyblackswann
      @ladyblackswann 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You mean he should've married the Ma'am 🇬🇧😂

    • @matewhatthefuck6516
      @matewhatthefuck6516 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      But he already impregnated Jeyne, so the honourable Stark that he is, decided to marry her as to not make their son a bastard and to not disgrace Jeyne and her house.

  • @obsidian00
    @obsidian00 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like the way you put your videos together...keep up the good work. That being said...people, READ THE BOOKS!!!

  • @brodrickmorse
    @brodrickmorse 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I had no interest reading all the books until I learned about Lady Stoneheart. I hope she has a significant role in the next books!

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      According to GRRM, she will have a nice role to play.

    • @saljpal3
      @saljpal3 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Since she's not even in the show I'm guessing she gonna die and not really affect the overall plot to much.

  • @corey2justified1
    @corey2justified1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, I had questions about this exact thing

  • @samflanagan1249
    @samflanagan1249 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Happy 2nd Anniversary on YT there Talking Thrones. Man, this channel grown since I first started watching you back in the day. Congratulations, brother.

  • @carlyh6913
    @carlyh6913 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    "Tywin Lannister sends his regards" ...Not Jamie

    • @Kopfschuss87
      @Kopfschuss87 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      A man in dark armor and a pale pink cloak spotted with blood stepped up to Robb. "Jaime Lannister sends his regards." He thrust his longsword through her son's heart, and twisted.

    • @darkaero
      @darkaero 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The quote is different in the show than it is in the books.

    • @yomichaelwhatzup
      @yomichaelwhatzup 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s what should of been said

  • @Kellykellbell
    @Kellykellbell 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This video wasn't to long at all. I could keep listening to u talk about this or any GOT content for hours. This was really good Dan. Thank u so much for an awesome video. 💯 👍

  • @GaiusJuliusCaesarMasterOfRome
    @GaiusJuliusCaesarMasterOfRome 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just wanted to let to know that these videoes where you read from the book is truly amazing. I have not read the book and struggle with reading books so thank you very much for your hard work!

  • @bloutrane101
    @bloutrane101 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can't wait to read that chapter!!!!🤗🤗🤗🤗

  • @outqast
    @outqast 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Now that I know what I know, as just a fan of the show prior, Vs having read Martin's novels, the show is just a vague and horribly achieved "re telling" . I was always under the impression that Weiss & Benioff (D&D) were praised for staying so true to the original story... Really? Nothing I see or hear or watch as I dig deeper is even remotely close to staying true to Martin. And I also argue, that they had more than enough to continue the show and remain true and still be filming seasons now, without being forced to blame Martin for not finishing the books. D&D plowed through those novels and desecrated the main characters and structure and then I believe , being who they are, as frauds, couldn't sustain the charade and facade any longer and HBO I blame for this as well, for continuing with those two. And now we see a avalanche of research coming to surface about the insane conditions and Narcissism that those who worked on the show had to deal with and contend, being suffocated by larping narcissists, who project throughout the entire show , in every way, personalizing their own beef through dialogue.
    I am pissed that we won't ever get to see the true story and the actual novels brought to life, because it was totally used up and syphoned by D&D and HBO , and would almost be impossible now to scrub from the public and fans. I love the cast and so many aspects of the show, and I don7thinknyou can re create that. Unless it was just so insanely good, written and captivating, that we are allowed to cheer on a new telling .
    There is so much that was changed and even omitted that now I want to go read the novels fully , to try and forget about the robbery of this shows end. No wonder D&D were fired from whatever project they jumped ship to try and start... THEY ARE FRAUDS AND EXPOSED NOW and will never watch anything done by Benioff especially again.

  • @TheTonyb82
    @TheTonyb82 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Talking thrones-love your channel!
    When do you think we will get the trailer for the final season?

  • @shellbean263
    @shellbean263 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You do the best GOT commentary ! it would be nice to here you read chapters ! real sure you would be better than what i have been listening to!

  • @billrogers6256
    @billrogers6256 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Well done lad...& it was not as long as you think.

  • @beckymaggie4606
    @beckymaggie4606 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Michelle Fairley did an excellent job and subtly showing Catelyns madness. Yes, she wasnt clawing at her face etc, but you can see that she 'died' spiritually before physically dying.

  • @thats4thebirds
    @thats4thebirds 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    It’s hard to imagine any form of catelyn stark wanting to resurrect Jon lmao

    • @angadsingh9314
      @angadsingh9314 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I mean, Robb named Jon the heir to the North.

  • @MylaCruz11
    @MylaCruz11 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love when you explain the book because it was hard for me to follow

  • @christophertracy7272
    @christophertracy7272 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    That was 1 of the 2 mistakes D&D made. 1st we should have gotten Lady Stoneheart, the 2nd was killing Viserion.

  • @greendayfecer
    @greendayfecer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like this story arc for catelyn. It’s a shame that it didn’t get used on the show. Because it would have been so cool to see. Though, as if Arya wasn’t traumatized enough during the red wedding in the book she also finds her moms dead body. Damn, that messed up.

    • @PedroLucas-mg5je
      @PedroLucas-mg5je ปีที่แล้ว

      If Arya learns about Jon's murder in TWOW, she'll go mad!

  • @Justindedwards215
    @Justindedwards215 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Keep up the amaxing vixeos man...new subscriber here and ur def amazing...keep it up!!!!

  • @cfrandre8319
    @cfrandre8319 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for treatment of Lady Stoneheart...I hate being stuck at Book 5!! Really want to know resolutions of her story line-GRRM doesn’t create a character and situation for no reason...unless that’s why he’s stuck and hasn’t finished the🤬🤬🤬🤬 books!

    • @PedroLucas-mg5je
      @PedroLucas-mg5je ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If Martin had done the 5 years timeskip or didn't separated Book 4's original script into 2, we would have Winds and George could be writing ADOS!

  • @bradleywarren7666
    @bradleywarren7666 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    BTW - I really like the style of your videos & how you tie the show stories into the book. I'm sure not all show watchers the subtleties that book readers will appreciate. Great work! 😊

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, Bradley. I do appreciate that.

  • @alicetheblackrabbit5872
    @alicetheblackrabbit5872 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Now I’m Interested in the books.
    “Evil Giggle”

  • @DiannelLaird
    @DiannelLaird 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve become one of your many fans.💕

  • @bsweaty5325
    @bsweaty5325 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video brother, I think she will hand out a lot of vengeance, then give the kiss of life to save someone, and complete her story arch

  • @andrewnieto5549
    @andrewnieto5549 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This girl comes to life after kissing her.
    Ok boys shes the leader, anything she says goes.

  • @annclark3914
    @annclark3914 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can say now 4 myself, "i know nuthin"! Thk u sir as i hvnt read alot of the books or atleast understand wht this character wud of bn if she wud of bn presented. Now i wish we cud of seen it via the show..hmmmmm.

  • @anzaumair6375
    @anzaumair6375 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow this is incredible work as always! Can anyone please tell me where can I read the books online? That’ll be a great great help!! X :)