Not a Boston or Florida fan, but NHL refs have been increasing suspect over the last few years. Their credibility has never recovered from the Tim Peel Hot Mic scandal. With increased sports betting, there is more incentive than ever for the refs to effect games. If fans have no confidence in the refs either because of their corruption and/or their incompetence, then the popularity of the sport will suffer.
There’s been bad calls all series, the E rod elbow, the high stick that directly lead to a bruins goal game 1, the 6 consecutive elbows never called on the bruins towards the end of one of the games, etc. A few missed calls isn’t gonna stop the cats when they recorded the same shots on net in one night that the bruins have in the entire series thus far.
Look at the records for both teams the last two years with that ref crew… Boston 8-0-2 and Florida with losing record. I love the panthers but agree that was prob not a good goal… calling it a conspiracy is not serious however.
If you genuinely didn't know that even up calls were a thing years before the Tim Peel hot mic, then I really ask how long you've been a hockey follower. That's been something that NHL officials, and even down to beer league officials for that matter, have done for as long as I can remember. The refs have always been inconsistent and will always be the favorite scape goat of any fan who can't accept their team losing. It's never the players who cry about it like it was the only reason they lost. At most, it's mentioned as a factor by the coach and maybe a few players but they know the responsibility lies with them. Every person who cries about officiating, it just makes me wonder if they played sports before. Like this is the same shit you'll see in pee-wee hockey, bro. It's just humans will never be consistent no matter how much you wish they were.
@Desert-Father Thanks, I thought I was the only one questioning the refs behavior. It's not just the bruins/panthers. Refs are protecting McDavid after he slashed Quinn Hughes' neck and drew blood but refs usually protect the stars. And the refs play dumb during the playoffs. Hadn't thought of the gambling angle cause I don't throw my $ away. I love hockey-only sport I watch but i can't stand the owners, Bettman or senior management. NHL is FUBAR
I'm a Panthers fan, and *that* goal really wrecked my head. I don't think anything's rigged, but that was a stupid call. Coyle was clearly in the way of Swayman and unable to make space or clear the puck and that was only because of the cross-check.
How I see it (just a Wild/hockey fan), Coyle was already in the goalies way. He entered the crease on his own. The shove just allowed Bennett to shoot the puck.
@@Slipp_PI kinda agree. I think the shove/crosscheck sealed the deal. But without it the goal chance was still pretty high. Which is most likely why it wasnt called a bad goal. I think a lot of the anger comes from that what happened is almost straight from the rule book a bad goal, yet the officiating still said good goal. Like HP said, nobody knows the rule, not even the refs lol
I don't believe in a league wide conspiracy. But I do believe, as a *Habs* fan wanting only for Boston to suffer, that that Panthers goal shouldn't have counted.
@@staffan144I thought that in the first game but as the series went on it showed me that their goalie just isn’t getting much help. He’s constantly seeing redirections in his own zone or center ice & the defense never seems ready enough for the turnovers to help him. He’s been making some good stops the last couple games but every goalie is gonna let in a couple & with the lack of defense help & stars shutting down the avs offense, the avs haven’t been able to even it out. i’ll take it tho, Go Stars
@@nick.heintz Yup. The Avs' lack of team defence is clear. It's less evident when you can score 4-5 goals a game, but when you're lucky to get 3, you notice that they can't keep the puck out of their net. Makar was exposed on the shortie last night. He's thinking about what he's going to do 190ft down the ice instead of how to get past the man on his own goalie.
Yeah, I’m an Oilers fan, and I’ve been saying all along that if the Oil do advance, I’d much rather them play the Avs because Dallas is too scary. After that EXTREMELY dominant win today, I can’t see them not being in the finals for the West.
There’s been bad calls all series, the E rod elbow, the high stick that directly lead to a bruins goal game 1, the 6 consecutive elbows never called on the bruins towards the end of one of the games, etc. A few missed calls isn’t gonna stop the cats when they recorded the same shots on net in one night that the bruins have in the entire series thus far. 🤣 copium
@@c-rod512if Marchand was the one punching Bennett out you Boston clowns would be praising him. Yall are just mad this is the first time it’s finally happening to you guys. Bruins can’t hang with the Panthers, pasta has become overcooked, and Swayman isn’t so elite after all
I'm the Vancouver series you missed that Hyman cross-checked zadorov in the face in that same play that required stitches and he went unpunished. The NHL will do everything they can to help McDavid.
@@jamesharris4041 i dont think making to the playoffs consistently is a one trick pony show, you have to be good enough to make it there in the first place.
Nobody watched it outside of Edmonton and LA, but it was going on in round 1 too. Refs got a hole to dig themselves of if they wanna get Mickey the cup…
Following the Oilers and the LA series and Van series, heavily favourite Oilers for sure. Diving call in a deciding game?? They're knowing the Oilers PP is hot. Easy to dictate the game by the refs.
Step one jawing between CMD and CS. Step 2 CS shoves CMD. Step 3 CMD does a light two hander while slipping to the side against CS's pads. Step 4 CMD recovers posture. CS returns with a light slash on the pads of his own. Step 5 CMD is cross checked from behind by NZ, resulting in CMD buckling and falling forward. Step 6 CS goes to cross stick shove CMD up high, but due to step 4 gets him in the face. Step 7 full scrum ensues behind the net, with some shoving, wrestling and light punches by all skaters on the ice. I agree NHL player safety screwed up. CMD should have been fined. NZ should have a one game suspension. CS should have received nothing. The was also a couple of missed calls in game two that drew blood. Overall not impressed with the post whistle reviews this spring in many of the series.
@@kaneox123NHL wouldn't dare punish their golden boy. He doesn't get anything for putting his stick in another's face but when it happens to him, it's a game suspension
As a bruins fan. There have been plenty of questionable calls primarily for the panthers gain. But that doesn’t mean you just stop attacking and stop shooting the puck. The panthers are very good but they’re not some monster that can’t be taken down. Most of the bruins problems are on the bruins right now they need to find a way to create more offense and get more pucks on net even if they aren’t good shots I think we’ve seen that quality over quantity only goes so far.
Bad officiating is a tale as old as time. I usually chalk it up to be maybe being in a bad angle, because things look different on the ice, but that goalie interference call was pretty hard to swallow after a video review. There is a pretty clear rule on the books for this, so it really blows my mind, and I have no dog in that fight.
I saw a stat somewhere that in this years playoffs only one of four goalie interference challenges were overturned, and the one was in favor of the Panthers (last round)
With the Bruins series, there have been COUNTLESS questionable penalty calls (Lauko interference, Maroon high stick, McAvoys interference, Lindholm interference) that 1. Restrict the bruins from generating offense because they’re always on the penalty kill and 2. Puts into question the NHLs handling of this series. If they’re gonna “scrutinize” the “dirty play”of the Bruins/Panthers, Bennett should’ve been suspended, the goal shouldn’t have counted, and countless others. Now that the NHL’s policing of this is a joke, players do not care about the hits they’re going to make. I’m not sure how the slightest infractions and common occurrences (Maroons high stick, Lindholm interference) are called as penalties and giving the panthers an obvious edge.
There’s been bad calls all series, the E rod elbow, the high stick that directly lead to a bruins goal game 1, the 6 consecutive elbows never called on the bruins towards the end of one of the games, etc. Acting like a few missed calls isn’t gonna stop the cats when they recorded the same shots on net in one night that the bruins have in the entire series thus far.
The problem is the inevitable result of the non calls. At some point, the players will police the play on the ice and someone like Bennett will end up getting very hurt in a very ugly play - likely after he's done the same to someone else.
@@therecanbeonly1497 I totally agree. I can see why they called Lauko on the goalie interference because he barreled in Bob, but he was literally held and pushed into him by the Panthers dman. Im just not sure why so many of these "soft" (plays that are not totally penalties) are called on the Bruins while they are not called on the panthers
@@NicEeEe843 I do believe the panthers are the better team. They have outclassed the Bruins in many facets. But the obvious bias from the referees in numerous calls have prevented the Bruins from generating offense and having a chance to actually do anything. Its not a few missed calls when 3 (arguably 4) of the 5 penalties (not counting the minor due to the challenge, which was bs) were HORRIBLE calls. A tap on the visor is NOT a high stick. A shoulder to shoulder check is not interference. The Lindholm interference was embellishment. All of these penalties allow the Cats to generate more offense. It doesn't take a lot to see that more powerplays=more shots for the team benefitting and less shots for the team defending
It's not like the Bs haven't gotten away with stuff all season. I remember marchand elbowing a king in the face and the league did nothing. They have historically been one of the dirtiest teams in the league. With that said, I want the refs to make the calls when it happens. Putting a free hand on a player isn't holding, once you tug a jersey they should make the call. Now goaltender interference is a whole different mess. I've been watching hockey for over 40 years and have never seen it called consistently. Once day it's let the boys play, the next Mike Smith is rolling around on the ice holding his mask acting like he'd been shot. I never did figure out how his mask could hurt so much...
Coyle was already in the crease, the hit doesn’t even matter when he was already in the exact position swayman had to be to make that save. That’s what was being reviewed in Toronto, and they saw coyle in the exact location swayman had to move, that makes overturning it significantly harder to call
@@NicEeEe843 Yes. And the goaltender interference was verofied not the brutal cross-check before the goal. Great referees real-life rules. Bravo. Not to mention the punch into Marchand’s face in the 3rd match. When teams are so close these “subtleties” count.
@@NicEeEe843 thats not the point. There was goaltender interferance. If and how swayman would make the save does not matter. Its not up to the referee to make up an alternative future. Call the interferance, cus thats the only thing we know happened.
Lets just be honest. The NHL is slowly becoming the WWF. Even worse, the NHL is promoting betting that eventually causes players with gambling addictions to potentially throw games.
The NHL’s explanation of why they allowed that goal is bizarre as F. One it’s been called a cross check forever. Two, this is literal definition of the goaltender interference rule via NHL. “If a defending player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by an attacking player so as to cause the defending player to come into contact with his own goalkeeper, such contact shall be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, and if necessary a penalty assessed to the attacking player and if a goal is scored it would be disallowed.” Therefore, whether the save was a possibility or not, that’s goaltender interference. The argument over whether it could’ve been saved or not isn’t one that’s needed to be had. Coyle had the positioning to defend the rebound via skate or stick, and Swayman had no chance to get over. He’s insanely flexible. It’s not just this. The sucker punch by Bennett was during a game that the NHL issued warning pregame to both teams saying that the game would be heavily scrutinized. Bennett has used this type of sneaky sucker punch many times already. He actually uses the stick as well to make partial contact. How Player Safety didn’t even have a talk with Bennett is beside me. There is a video of a net scrum in front of Swayman where he has control of the puck and despite a whistle, Tkachuck does the exact same sucker punch attempt with one hand on his stick but misses Swayman’s face. Look it up. The Bruins organization hasn’t been able to absolutely crush the NHL and refs because Jeremy Jacobs is one of the most uncaring, stingiest, money hungry owners ever. He clearly put a gag order out on everyone. For Cam Neely to not even leave his office during the press conference shows that he just said F it all then. The worst part about all of this is that when you try to have an open dialogue about it, You get everyone coming at your throat saying you’re whining, making excuses, blaming the refs, Marchand deserves it, etc.. Do people not realize that Bruins fans are clearly aware of their lack of offensive production and ability to play their game effectively? You can call these plays for what they are without being a homer. Bruins were heavy underdogs going into this series. They lost their 1C, 2C, 1/2Winger & more. They’ve overachieved. All of these incidents and more that have occurred truly make my “spidey sense” tingle. Something fishy is going on. Whether win or lose, the Bruins are always a top 5 revenue generating team; 1.5B+. The Panthers yearly revenue is less than half the Bruins. They’re 30th in revenue yearly. Gary Bettman knows that the Panthers have untapped potential revenue wise if they can draw fans in. Biggest way to do so? Win in the playoffs. It’s all about getting Florida closer to the revenue of other teams close by such as Tampa Bay. In the end, it’s always about money. Player safety and ensuring the integrity of the game means nothing; except if it’s done to a superstar who pulls in massive money via apparel sales & attendance. As a lifelong diehard fan of hockey for 35+ years, I’m losing interest at a massive rate. New York Rangers crush either team anyway next round and I’m all for it.
@parrydox.gaming well & accurately written-I also see I need to watch some of the officiating of these other games cuz it does INDEED appear to be a trend!!
You summed this up (pretty much exactly how I feel about it) really well. And you absolute nailed it…if you even try to have an open dialogue about it we are labeled whiners, losers and hypocrites. All because everyone just already hates Brad Marchand and Boston sports. Disappointing and infuriating tbh. Any true fan of the sport should be incensed by this
Even down to the point about how the league has more to gain in the longterm by heavily expanding into southern markets lol. This could provide a clear motive for why they would actually prefer a relatively unpopular and historically unmarketable team (ESPECIALLY in a market like Florida) over a massive money ball like the Bruins. Why? Well let’s just look at history. Bruins fans will lineup and pay for their $25 beers no matter how many times they fold or get screwed over in the playoffs. But think about it, you’re starting to see more NHL players coming out of Florida. There’s a treasure trove for the NHL and southern markets of untapped potential. If multiple recent Stanley Cup teams are on every billboard and magazine in the sunshine state, all those the little tots grow up wanting to be like Matthew Tkachuk…well, that’s millions and millions and millions and millions of potential more dollars that didn’t exist before…. people are just looking at this stuff on the surface level. It goes deeper than almost anyone could imagine
At the end of the day, anyone who says professional sports couldn’t possibly be rigged are just naïve. Professional sports are legally classified as entertainment. There is absolutely nothing in the world stopping them from steering a game or entire series toward their desired outcome for entertainment and/or FINANCIAL purposes. Same with the draft lol
Wow I left a long comment detailing exactly why it would be entirely plausible that the NHL would prefer the Panthers over the Bruins and the specific series and it got magically deleted. Imagine that! 😂
just about every game this post season has had horrible officiating. Its gotten to the point where I am not watching anymore because I see no calls on one team for the whole game and bs calls on the other side. My team isn't in the post season this year so I was watching to watch but its horrible.
Me too, after that garbage call on Draisaitl lead to a PP for the Canucks leading to goal one, I knew it would be other referee meltdown so I turned off the game. I’m not an Oilers fan, just tired of watching hockey games decided by poor officiating.
This season and last season felt especially bad. Last season we basically just watched Florida and Vegas avoid multiple suspensions until they got to the final….
The push was so light coyle either flopped or is made of paper 😂. Coyle was already well in the crease in front of swayman moments before Bennett touched him, the only question is did Sam’s push fully cause the blockage, was Charlie far enough away that the push was the thing that caused swayman to not be able to slide? No, Charlie was already well into the blue/crease in the literal exact location swayman had to be to make that play just moments before Sam touched him, so without the push swayman still most likely can’t make that save with Coyle right in the way, or at least taking the goal away is very hard and it should be a hard call since it’s difficult to make the argument it was Sam’s fault when Charlie was already in the exact space Jeremy had to be before the push was initiated
@@NicEeEe843 "Coyle was already well in the crease in front of swayman" Yes. That's exactly the problem. You can hit a player outside of the crease, but not in the crease when it causes them to come into contact with or fall on the goalie. That's what Bennett did: hit him into the blue paint, to contact the goalie. That's precisely the language of the rule that makes this no goal. Moreover without the crosscheck (it's not a "push" when you hit a player with your stick) Coyle has an opportunity to play the puck or to prevent Bennett from making a play on the puck. It's not complicated. If you disagree, you may be a Panthers' fan, but you're not a fan of hockey. That's not a hockey play.
@@AC-gw4qu It doesn’t change the fact that Coyle is facing the goalie. That goal is less likely to happen if Coyle turns his ass around. Can’t deny it. Players are literally taught this in mites.
"What pissed you off" Oh boy - I just don't understand (well I do) why Hyman isn't getting a game as well, seeing as the reasoning they gave Soucy is the exact same situation Hyman was in when he joined that scrum. "Not a hockey play", check. "Stick raised to an unacceptably high level", (He cross checked Big Z in the head so yeah, he had to raise it to 6'6 to get there), "Happened well after the end of the game", check. But the NHL wants to make their money, so they can't punish one of EDM's top scorers, bewildered. And before any EDM fans get their panties in a bunch and say "Well he was defending his captain" - by that logic the next time Kane gives Hughes a slew-foot that means it's open season on his head too then, yeah? OOF.
and anyone who thinks the punch was fine bc it was on marchand is in agreeance that it was a sucker punch, so every 'couldnt happen to a nicer guy' comment thinks it should be a suspension
2013 sharks sweep of the canucks was a masterclass in one sided officiating. Pps were 22-8, the sharks twice in the series picked up and threw the puck in their zone (once on the goal line) no call. Every game was 1 goal diff or 1 goal + an empty netter. It's always been like this.
I couldn't resist when I saw Hockey Psychology. I'm a Bruins fan. The ref's are not the reason they are losing this series. Look at the stats as you already stated, HP. The Bruins beat the panthers in all five meetings this regular season. There is a post season adjustment teams have to make to advance in the brackets. They have to adjust to their opponent in each round. Sometimes each game. The Bruins cannot perform this adjustment as they displayed last year and are this year. Each team can play a certain style that other teams can't match and advance until you are matched evenly or unevenly. Then, you make the adjustment. Dirty plays are always happening in the games. We don't notice it as often until everything is going wrong for a team and we look for an excuse as to why. I agree there are bad calls that have lead to deciding goals in games, but again, teams need to focus on scoring goals. I've seen four goals scored in under a minute by the same team. Now, each team has sixty minutes on the ice to put a puck in the net as many times as often until the horn blows and in the end the scoreboard decides. The Bruins have been shut down by the Panthers. Boston needs to figure it out and score goals. Period! At the end of the game, again, what ever is on the score boards decides. Now, on the other side of things I'll leave you with this: I have to ask when a man punches another man in the side of the head from behind and goes on to win the championship, does that represent excellence? The mark of a champion? That's a sham and it is why the NHL is fifth overall in major professional sports in North America. I apologize for my diatribe. Peace out.
Toronto's entire lineup is built for the 'stand around and look at the puck" game and the "don't show up for 1 or 2 periods a game" game and the "let's lose quickly without any physical stuff so I can still be flexible at the bath house" game.
OK I am not actually wearing a tinfoil hat here but I can see where some people could be convinced theres something sus going on with regards to the Panthers. Way way back in 2010 the VP of Hockey Operations for the NHL, Colin Campbell, sent the Director of Officiating emails complaining about a bunch of on ice calls and one referee he eventually got fired in particular. Many of the calls he was complaining about involved his son Gregory, these emails were one might say overly harsh and definitely profanity laden. This all came out and there was a little bit of a scandal about it but it wasn't big news outside of very invested hockey fans. Campbell apologized and kept his job, he is in fact still the Director of Hockey Operations. Gregory his son is no longer playing but he is the Assistant General Manager of the Florida Panthers. So one of the three most powerful executives in the league offices who is known for cursing out his subrodinates in person and via email for making questionable calls regarding his son is still in a position of power. And maybe, just maybe this might be going through the minds of those head officials as theyre looking over the tape of that goal to determine if it should be called back. The Panthers still deserved to win that game they were outplaying the Bruins but this isnt a good look for NHL officiating.
So the Director of Hockey operations is the father of the assistant gm of the Panthers and has a history of threatening and getting refs fired. Cased closed. Conflict of interest. NHL, guilty.
The rules are not followed. The rule states you cannot interfere or impede another player if they don't have the puck. Yet this goes on continuously especially in front of the net. You can't push interfere etc. a player unless he has the puck. It seems now anything goes. It's ruining the game.
Yeah man, that shits been a part of hockey forever though. Net front battles are literally a part of the game. You're absolutely allowed in hockey to battle for ice position, you are allowed to do that. You're not allowed to interfere with someone in the course of going for the puck, typically. That's how it's called. I don't even understand why so many are upset about this shit. I've seen similar plays a lot that aren't called interference. The only difference is that Coyle fell on Swayman but I don't think Swayman can make that save anyway and the shove came right as the puck was being bounced to Bennett. My guess is they felt Swayman wouldn't have made the save and Coyle wouldn't have been able to play the puck so they felt it didn't impact the play. But that's also not at all consistent with what other officials would call and that's where people get upset. But we won't ever have consistency to the levels that claims of fixing and favoritism will go away.
Boston plays similar games like this too though. Look at series 1, Marchand cork screw trips Bertuzzi in the middle of the ice and no call on the play allows for Boston to score. You have to muscle past the cheap shots.
Hockey players are entertainers no different than singers, dancers, etc. So the question is the NHL willing to compromise their own rules to make the game more entertaining. In my view yes. I find the game far from the earlier days of Hockey when it was passing and stick handling and skating. Now it's roller derby on ice.
Great adjustments to your format, thank you to listening to our feedback bro. Keep up the great work. Cats vs bruins: Tbh, I've seen much worse goalie interference calls. Players cross-check all the time in front of the net, this one didn't look egregious and Coyle looked kinda soft going into sway. Disagree with the League saying sway wasn't impacted. My statement would've been that Coyle should've done more to avoid falling into his own goalie as the crosscheck wasn't hard enough to warrant a call. Also technically, I think they couldn't bring the goal back because the crosscheck itself wasn't called. That said, Bennett the Menace for sure lied to the TNT boys right to their face about "defending himself" from Marchand and it being a hockey play. Not a great look. Oilers look done as always mid-playoffs. Agree that the 25+ minutes for forwards is a telling sign they got nothing else. And skinner has definitely returned to form. If they don't fix both, might be Canucks in 5 to everyone's surprise, including my own. Props to tocchet, he's a great coach and got them looking like the 16 and 17 Pens, which he was a huge part of. Bravo Dallas has so much depth and such a good system, it's crazy. Avs are Def frustrated, so might be like the Oilers where it's gonna get to them. Back to form when they couldn't get past the 2nd round. Rags reverse swept? Hrmm...would be hilarious but prob unlikely even now that canes grabbed 2 back Edit: some typos
The Stars are doing to the AVS what the Avs did to the Jets in rd 1 . Oilers still can't get good goaltending or depth scoring . Canucks are just happy to be where they are . Carolina refuses to go quietly and the Rangers appearing to on their way to another choke job . Florida lives rent free in the Bruins head after last season . Marchand got marchanded and doesn't like how it tastes . Bennett is doing doing what it takes to help his team win by any means necessary !!!
Avs suck pp and even worse since known-quantity-addict choo choo train got suspended. even after getting an unjustified $40mm+ long term contract, he couldn’t get his shit together. Sad situation, but the reality is that most addicts relapse and you have to be bonkers to give one an 8 year contract in the immediate aftermath of his playoff antics last year. Hopefully they can’t get out of the contract and are stuck paying $40 million for their idiocy.
@@qwerty112311 As a stars fan i’m just hoping Nich can get himself sorted out during this suspension. I hope he can take that money & put it towards help for whatever underlying mental issue is causing him to patch it with substances. Hockey aside, he’s still somebody’s son & friend so it sucks watching that unfold & on a personal level I hope he comes out of the other side a better, healthier person
Canucks just happy to be there?! To date, no team in the playoffs has had to grind out more results and show more resilience than Vancouver has. Canucks have won the most games on the road this playoffs. They came from 4-2 down in the 3rd to win game 1 and won game three in Edmonton to lead the series 2-1 and they’re still making up the numbers?
Canucks just happy to be where they are? Hahhahaha well they should be considering they’re playing against McCrybaby, never seen such a whiner in the league for a while now!! All the coilers have is the whiner and Leon, who blames the posts for not getting goals on our 3rd string goalie, like most others have said, it’s the shooters fault, maybe aim better!! lol but yea, blame everyone,thing but yourselves, speaks volumes about what a great team should be like! Hahahha
I'm a Leafs fan, so definitely not a Brad Marchand fan. I just can understand how so called "player safety" can look at that hit and not give a suspension. he absolutely thrusts his fist forward to make it primary point of contact, it's even worse than the clothesline he gave to Matthew Knies last year In both cases those players missed the following game, I get it's the playoffs and all, but you can't 2 separate sets of rules. Also, that not being goalie interference is crazy to me
When the playoffs are rigged the canucks get suspended for an accidental hit to the face, meanwhile Hyman crosschecks Zadorov purposely in the face with the exact same hit while Zadorov is a giant and wasnt falling over, McDavid is allowed to purposely slash Hughes in the face and draw blood without penalty, two oilers are allowed to slew foot canucks players dangerously without repercussions, Nurse is allowed to hit Pettersson from behind head first into the boards nearly breaking his neck, and Oilers are allowed to spear Hoglander in the nuts.
Absolutely. Anyone who knows hockey at all could see this series and how the Canucks would be up 3-0 if not for the fixing in game 2, and now it continues into game 4.. the audacity for some delusional oilers fans to be complaining about the refs on their side is outstanding.
The idea of being rigged is gaining with me. Last night in the Ranger and Canes game in the third period there were multiple non-calls against the Rangers. One where the Breadman was behind the net and Burns literally wrapped his arms around him to prevent him from skating away, the ref was five feet away staring at the play and no call. Five minutes later on a face off in the Cane end, Mika Z took the face off and while there was a scrum for the puck the opposing player grabbed his stick shaft to prevent him from getting it on the ice, as the other player skated away he held the stick parallel to the ice, again Mika stared at the ref during the infraction shrugging his shoulders and pointing with his free hand. Again no call.
It’s also odd because multiple tv banners for the series keep messing up. After the Dallas Avs game they showed it 4-1 series (meaning Dallas wins) and I’ve seen it for the kings last series. They also have misreported scores too. I’m not sure what’s going on but it’s getting weird and even weirder with these calls. And it’s all when sports betting is taking off and the ads for sports betting are all over their digital boards.
@@r2488 People said the same thing last year about the fucking Ravens and the Chiefs being in the Superbowl on a banner months before. Guess who didn't make it to the Superbowl. You guys need to seriously grow up. Bad calls and calls that seem to favor an opponent have literally gone on for as far back as you'd care to look. You're doing nothing but seeing something you want to see if you think sports are rigged. And it makes me ask if you've ever played sports when people claim this shit. These types of things occur at every level of sport, there will never been a way to perfectly officiate any sport.
That wasn't Burns, it was Chatfield--the other bearded D man. The play's a bit more complicated because once Chatfield's stick goes up to hook, it appears on replay that Breadman holds the stick against his body with his arm--essentially holding the stick, in hopes of insuring a hooking call. That's not to say it wasn't a hook, it may have been, but Panarin didn't help things by appearing to hold the stick. I thought it was a clear hook, until I saw the replay from near the ref's POV.
Hey man great video and love your stuff, but as a Panthers fan I have to correct you. We run a 2-1 forecheck with the F3 as the one to capitalize or to cover for pinching defensemen
i hate the bruins, i hate the panthers but c'mon. I'm not saying any of this changed the game or the series but bennet sucker punched marchand, thats a suspension. bennet cross checked coyle into swayman, that is goaltender interference.
Heres my thing about the crosschecks to McDavid. Early in the regular season Dylan Larkin takes a punch in the back they pushes him down into a crosscheck to the jaw. Knocks him the F out. Nothing. (The suspension to Perron afterward was totally warranted). But it was a similar play. And only now it warrants a suspension and a fine for both involved? Cmon man i dont believe in leage bias but McDavid gets away with so much
That's a great point. The "rigged" claims are laughable. But the fact that the NHL has a set of regular season officiating standards and then switches pretty radically to a playoff set of standards that no one can define or understand gives oxygen to all the crying fan bases' grievances.
I appreciate your analysis of the bruins vs fla and how you covered the main points without falling in. I'm a bruins fan, but also pay attention to game glow and believe that 99% of the time, odds level out and the team playing better wins. I think the crease call was a shitty call, but I also knew the bruins were going to lose when they were up 2-0 because they were on their heels for the last 45 minutes of that game. The idea that the league would rig for a shorter series is a joke, and people jumping on the rig theory are smoking copium. Also, that goal didn't lose them the game, it tied it, and they responded by pouting and taking terrible penalties and that's not what Champions do. I hope they turn it around and I love the Bs but just be real, people.
My favourite thing about this round 2 series is McDavid not getting a single thing called on him but if any Vancouver player touches him then it's a penalty, fine or suspension. Gotta protect McJesus I guess
I have NOT seen a good Referee in a LONG time. Vancouver has been handicapped by QUESTIONABLE officials for years. We need ACCOUNTABILITY!!! On a public stage. Tar and Feather, anyone?
0:51 No, that's not true. Marchand didn't miss the rest of the game after Bennett's hit. He played a few shifts and got rocked again when hitting Steven Lorentz.
shhhh don't tell them that just let them play the victim acting like marchand is some kind of boy scout and that he didn't get hurt trying to hurt other players.
@@masterchef9512tough shit for him. He has no problem knocking players out, so it’s a moment of celebration when what goes around finally comes around.
0:20 that’s the face of “I almost shit myself for a second there” But I feel like they think that goalie interference is when a player messes with the goalie on purpose
I think this round is a truly glorious smorgasbord of great gamesmanship, coaching, creativity, skillful netminding, and old-time hockey grittiness. I also think your video (s) is (are) the perfect way to complete the viewing experience. Your take on my Bruins, for example, was extremely lucid and helps alleviate the tangible pain I’m feeling of watching my favorite team lose to those mouthpiece-gnawing halfwits from the hockey “paradise” in South Florinada. 😱😱
NHL's ruling on Bennet's cross check in front of the goal is starting to look like NACSAR - make the rules up as you go. Easy to lose interest in a sport when the rules are changed to create a desired outcome.
I want to state for the record, I don’t think the NHL is rigged. At all. This isn’t just an issue this year. It’s been consistently an issue that gets progressively worse every year for at least the last 3 years if not 5. Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. I truly think the refs are either out of their prime (too old) too young (inexperienced) or just simply don’t have the tracking and eye skills needed to be refereeing at such a high caliber in the fastest hockey league in the world. I’ve seen calls in the last 2 rounds where refs called penalties on the wrong player, sent them to the box and then switched who it was called on a minute later. How do you expect anyone to have faith in a system that consistently gets so much wrong? So yeah. I don’t blame people for thinking it’s rigged because when fans are passionate and it’s competitive, everything feels rigged when it doesn’t go your way. But I will say this: games shouldn’t be decided by bad calls or a lack of calls thereof. It should be entirely skill based, and I think we’re seeing WAY too much of the former these last several years.
I appreciate so much that you bring a genuine logical perspective here. It's nothing but an issue that hockey fans have dealt with for all of time. Inconsistent calls is a problem in sports from the top to the bottom in terms of leagues. Parents cry about it at their kids games, fans cry about it at the professional games. It's just something you deal with. On that note, I can't agree with your last part. The game is decided on a lot more than a few calls and can always be won in spite of bad calls. It's up to the team to get the fucking job done.
Its definitely bad, but as a Sharks fan who went through both 2011 and 2019 (where they were on each side of getting screwed and benefitting from ref mistakes), as a friend of a Sabres fan still upset about 98, Im not convinced this is "getting worse". The NHL has always been screwy regarding playoff reffing.
Nah trust me. They are rigged to SOME degree. All of them. Legally, professional sports are classified as “entertainment”. They can do whatever they want within certain reasonable boundaries, if it gets too obvious people will freak out, especially now that they are betting obscene amounts on it, again….”legally”..it will continue to get much much worse and more obvious as legalized sports betting spreads
Playoff hockey the calls are normally pretty even with the refs letting a lot of stuff go, the panthers have gotten everything their way 21 - 9 for Power plays in the series in favor of Florida idk how you don't bring that up
@@elijahmatter5635 No not at all the Rangers have a number of finishers that the Canes do not add the goalies and STs and it makes plenty of sense why the Rangers had won 9 of 11 against Carolina going into the series. The real question should be why the Canes were ever favored in the first place.
@@jameshannagan4256 The canes would have won if they had a better PP they ended that series 2-21. personally i think the canes were the better team but Igor was a god and the canes PP sucked
When it comes to GI the panthers have won every single challenge and every call through the first two rounds so far lol. Lohrei somehow called on a GI makes no sense and Florida won both of Tampas GI challenges in the last game of last series. Can’t help but think the worst.
I love the NHL and want new fans to be attracted to it, but the league can just never seem to get out of it's own way. What are we all talking about right now? Should be talking about the amazing playoffs, but nope, it's the conspiracy theory level awful officiating and the goonish play.
The Panthers know exactly what they can get away with and will push the limits as far as they can. And good on them, that's how you become a better playoff hockey team, I'm saying that as a B's fan. But I'm also saying if the league doesn't want to get rightfully clowned on like this, it's on them to fix it, or it's tacit endorsement that teams should absolutely treat as such.
I absolutely cannot stand the Bruins and I cant believe I am actually defending them but the GI non call was the most dumbfounded Ive been about a call. That absolutely has devastating effects on outcomes of games. Im not giving excuses for Bostons poor play after but you can understand how they feel. I also cant stand Marchand, and everyone knows that dude 9 times out of 10 deserves a shot to the head but not like this and now in a cowardly way that could end someones career. Shots to the temple you dont see coming can and has killed people or left them impaired. Unacceptable.
You could claim that it’s a conspiracy…if there wasn’t video and audio of refs admitting “game management” add to the fact that officials are never made to answer for their actions publicly and the absolute lack of consistency game to game or official to official means it is actually happening. Takes a whole lot of gymnastics to pretend otherwise.
As an EU Andy it's quite difficult for me to watch the NHL without getting the results spoiled, therefore I'm on 0 sleep atm. But man I couldn't wait for a review of these games by you. Great work.
Canadian teams represent 1/5th of the league but have won 1 Stanley cup 40 years. It doesn't add up unless the head office goal is increasing fan base. Bettman knows the Canadian market is already maxed out with few other professional sports as competition, other that Toronto.
Sorry but I had to stop 1 minute in because you are wrong about the Marchand incident. He didn’t leave after the hit from Bennett, he played until the third period. That’s when we got the news he’s not coming back out
Literally the rule is worded exactly as this Bennett play went down and somehow these referees missed this call? Clearly they don't know the rules or they are too gutless to enforce the rules. They brought in replays just so we did not have this nonsense of refs arbitrarily calling what they want and to help them out and yet they still can't get it right? Costly call...tied an important playoff game up. Great work refs !!! I don't know if rigged is the right word as I don't think a particular team is being singled out to win it but you can clearly see how when a team gets a lead, suddenly penalties are called on only them etc. It's as if the refs have orders from high to make games as close as possible to make them more exciting.
Dallas and Florida in the cup I’m calling it. The NHL is trying to get a bigger audience down south, let’s be real the north carries most of the NHL with viewers, look at the prices of tickets in Boston vs Florida, the fan bases don’t compare in size. The most popular teams with the biggest fan bases come mainly from Northern US and Canada.
The officiating is not rigged... But it is incompetent and biased. It's clear that referees' authority matters more to the league than the rules or the integrity of the game. Because decisions are so inconsistent, random and arbitrary, and because none of them are ever explained, everyone feels cheated at some point or another.
If the Bruins just focused on the playing the game, I believe they would do much better. Instead, they're out there focusing on head hunting and settling scores. This is true from the 1st game in of the series, not since Bennett and Marchand's collision. Marchand was focusing on head hunting on that one to by the way. He was going for Bennett and found out. Boston wants be tough guys instead of winning the damn cup.
Rigged is a step too far, but the NHL clearly has a preference for who they want to win and they give certain teams preferential calls. It’s a business first and foremost. If Florida doesn’t win games, their fans stop watching. That’s bad for the league and the league needs to protect its financial viability. They basically have to manage the entertainment value of the games to maximize viewership while still having some semblance of competition.
So how does the league "give" preferenfial calls? You think refs are told to be lop sided? Theres no way--this would get exposed extremely quickly. Crooked refs in other sports/leagues are exposed very quickly--let a lone a league wide coordinated conspiracy at the highest level. Hockey is simply a hard game to ref cause there are subjective borderline penalties almost every shift
Same thing has happened for years in the playoffs to Toronto with the same 2 Teams Florida and Boston one sided calls and none calls when its Clear .Leafs have Figured it out not worth the $164,000 to get Butchered in the playoffs and bad calls from the refs .🏌♀🏌♂🏌♀ Leafs Fabulous 50 Million Dollar 5 Golfing in the Sun .Simpsons HA HA !!!
I don't think it goes that far personally, I think they want to keep games competitive though, they want series to go longer so they try to keep calls in favor of the losing team or equal, even when one team is in reality more deserving of penalty's and such.
yeah punching lundell in the face, skating into bobrovsky, making tkachuk bleed. Clearly just soft penalties. Open your eyes, boston turned into goons as soon as the 3rd period of game 2 started
That was way more goalie interference than both of the goals called back from the lightning vs Panthers in the last series. Definitely seems like the refs are favoring Florida this year
Stopped my 40 year addiction to the Bruins and the NHL when they started putting Chinese writing on the boards and they started the lgbt awareness weakness bs. All sports are totally rigged now. No time for the woke version of anything.
I used to think it was just inept officiating but now I think it’s a combination of inept officiating and League ‘desired outcomes’ (with the overall goal of expanding the game in the US markets). Don’t forget the spectre of corporate Gambling sponsorship weaving its way through the NHL. I love the game, watch when I can, but these days sometimes have to shake my head and say ‘that’s fishy’. WWE, tbh.
Officiating is wildly inconsistent. I can accept that refs are going to miss things. It's a fast game and they're human. What's less acceptable is when the call is still wrong after a video review. And what's even worse is when the DOPS makes these wildly inconsistent rulings. Soucey gets a game for a poorly timed crosscheck, but Bennet walks away free for a blindside full-speed sucker punch that injures a guy out of the series? Make it make sense
Yeah, that punch was rough. I certainly have no love for Marchant, but nobody deserves that. Unfortunately, the DoP"S" didn't even punish Hyman's cross-check to the face of Zadorov, which you can watch by watching the video about Soucy's 1 game suspension for a cross-check to the face. Comedic timing is about all those DoP"S" clowns are good for.
@@methany8788 For sure. The DOPS has all the time in the world and every camera angle to review these plays. The optics are that they put the business first over consistently applying fines and suspensions.
Oh they’re not generating enough chances and they haven’t been the better team so the goal is ok and the punch is ok. That’s all I keep hearing that’s even more ridiculous of a take.
I'd rather the ref's bury their whistles or keep calls consistent at the very least. In the case of Bos/Fla, 21-11 pp's, let's be real the panthers are no angels on the ice...
Wait until the next round when one of the Oilers and Canucks have to overcome an American team and the officials to progress, then let’s assess whether the playoffs and NHL are rigged.
@@JimboSlice-cg5ky A couple times... 2011 and 1994. While I haven't physically been there, I am sure there aren't car fires that are just randomly happening. Then again, I could always be wrong.
Just commenting here since it's the most recent vid: Because of you Vancouver break down recently, I knew a TJ Miller goal was a set play. That would have made me feel important except I'm in Asia and watch the games alone at 5 am. 😥😜 Don't ever stop.
There was interference I suppose, but clearly Swayman wouldn't have slid over in time to save it. I mean you can't call every shove or "accidental" fall into the goaltender. The Bruins then allowed the panthers to march right down and score another one so it is not like the disputed goal was the deciding factor.
It was a crosscheck for one, it interfered with swaymans ability to make a save (the above angle shows him looking to the right but unable to move since he had a player pushed on him) and had that guy not been crosscheck he would have been in the way to block or intercept the shot/pass. The only thing saddens me from this series is that both teams can't lose in the same series.
That's the Sidney Crosby Rule. The game's elite get judged by a different rulebook. McDavid would've had to impale Hughes with his stick to get called for a penalty.
Even worse on the bennett goal was the bs interference call that led to the pp. A bs pp with a goal that should have been disallowed by a player that could have been suspended for the Marchand hit. Its crazy. The bruins have no business being in this series at all, I mean they're being completely outplayed, but if that goal didn't happen, there's a chance this is going back to Florida 2-2.
So we’re going to start blaming bad calls on Bruins shitty performance? I mean cmon look at what happened to Vancouver, Hughes took a literal high stick- hell he took the entire stick to the face only for the play to go uncalled, what did Hughes and Vancouver do? They took the L and came back ten-fold and won, maybe ppl should start questioning bostons discipline and performance…….
Exactly!! But no don’t say that… these people don’t want the truth or reality. They want to blame bad calls on the reason why their team is losing. Look at game 5. Bruins played a much better and disciplined game, and they won. But yea it’s “rigged” 😂
He obviously cross checks him into the goalie intentionally. He was also smart about it as to not make it too egregious and give just enough of a shove. But, the rule states that its illegal. Toronto should have overruled the on ice crew on this one.
Interesting that Brad Marchand had 10:51 TOI in game 3 but the hit from Bennet that supposedly took him out took place 3:41 into the first. Pretty sure Marchand hurt himself on a hit to Steven Lorentz later in the game. Somehow that’s being overlooked
regardless of that, thats a dirty hit by bennet anyways. Everyone says the rat gets what he deserves, right up until its bennet or someone else doing that to their player. Fans are delusional and need to realize shit like that doesnt help anyone and only makes the league worse. So do the refs, makes the game unfun to watch.
That's not how concussions work. Some players (and people in real life) can be concussed and not realize it at the time. That's part of what makes them dangerous. You take a hit, think you're fine and keep playing, only to exacerbate the problem. I once got concussed on the first set of downs in a football game (illegally tackled after scoring a touchdown) and went on to play the whole game. I woke up the next day and had no idea where I was, how I got there, or what day it was. Apparently, from all reports, I had a good game. But I couldn't play or practice for weeks as a result of the injury.
That isn't how all Injuries work. For example, last postseason Eberly hit Cagliano awkwardly into the boards in the Kraken avs series. Cagliano played a few more shifts before heading down the tunnel. Turns out he had a neck fracture. Most of these guys will tell you they're fine and can play when they clearly should not be out there.
I hate the Bruins. But that call blew my mind. It shouldn't have even needed challenged. That should've been blown dead as soon as Florida touched the puck. How they allowed that goal to stand is baffling.
Not a Boston or Florida fan, but NHL refs have been increasing suspect over the last few years. Their credibility has never recovered from the Tim Peel Hot Mic scandal. With increased sports betting, there is more incentive than ever for the refs to effect games. If fans have no confidence in the refs either because of their corruption and/or their incompetence, then the popularity of the sport will suffer.
There’s been bad calls all series, the E rod elbow, the high stick that directly lead to a bruins goal game 1, the 6 consecutive elbows never called on the bruins towards the end of one of the games, etc. A few missed calls isn’t gonna stop the cats when they recorded the same shots on net in one night that the bruins have in the entire series thus far.
Look at the records for both teams the last two years with that ref crew… Boston 8-0-2 and Florida with losing record. I love the panthers but agree that was prob not a good goal… calling it a conspiracy is not serious however.
If you genuinely didn't know that even up calls were a thing years before the Tim Peel hot mic, then I really ask how long you've been a hockey follower. That's been something that NHL officials, and even down to beer league officials for that matter, have done for as long as I can remember. The refs have always been inconsistent and will always be the favorite scape goat of any fan who can't accept their team losing. It's never the players who cry about it like it was the only reason they lost. At most, it's mentioned as a factor by the coach and maybe a few players but they know the responsibility lies with them. Every person who cries about officiating, it just makes me wonder if they played sports before. Like this is the same shit you'll see in pee-wee hockey, bro. It's just humans will never be consistent no matter how much you wish they were.
@Desert-Father Thanks, I thought I was the only one questioning the refs behavior. It's not just the bruins/panthers. Refs are protecting McDavid after he slashed Quinn Hughes' neck and drew blood but refs usually protect the stars. And the refs play dumb during the playoffs. Hadn't thought of the gambling angle cause I don't throw my $ away. I love hockey-only sport I watch but i can't stand the owners, Bettman or senior management. NHL is FUBAR
Crosschecks need to be called
I'm a Panthers fan, and *that* goal really wrecked my head. I don't think anything's rigged, but that was a stupid call. Coyle was clearly in the way of Swayman and unable to make space or clear the puck and that was only because of the cross-check.
100% agree as a fellow Cats fan.
You score the goal without crosschecking the player on top of his own goalie. Like legally.
How I see it (just a Wild/hockey fan), Coyle was already in the goalies way. He entered the crease on his own. The shove just allowed Bennett to shoot the puck.
@@Slipp_PI kinda agree. I think the shove/crosscheck sealed the deal. But without it the goal chance was still pretty high. Which is most likely why it wasnt called a bad goal.
I think a lot of the anger comes from that what happened is almost straight from the rule book a bad goal, yet the officiating still said good goal. Like HP said, nobody knows the rule, not even the refs lol
@@Slipp_P DING DING DING DING DING 🛎️
The officials are not referees anymore. They’re just game managing.
Anymore? They've never been!
More like game manipulators. NHL is approaching WWE territory.
Ref back in the day here: Always have been.
lol, sorry I called them refs. What a joke.
@victorsi the refs are the real joke. The more the league resist the calls for reform, the worse the scandal will become.
It definitely diminishes the enjoyment of watching the sport when the officials and the league put this on display!
Watch something else and stop crying. 😮
@@edl5553 someday it will be your team on the receiving end of bias calls, I’m sure you’ll be just as enthusiastic then you smooth brain
@@edl5553 This is not the 3rd grade playground no matter how much you wish you had stayed there.
I don't believe in a league wide conspiracy.
But I do believe, as a *Habs* fan wanting only for Boston to suffer, that that Panthers goal shouldn't have counted.
Dallas is scary good! So many goals throughout the whole team! They are the team to beat at the moment. Greetings from Dundee, Scotland!! UK
Even better than I originally assessed, I am now picking them as likely to take home the cup.
Colorado's weakness is their goaly
@@staffan144I thought that in the first game but as the series went on it showed me that their goalie just isn’t getting much help. He’s constantly seeing redirections in his own zone or center ice & the defense never seems ready enough for the turnovers to help him. He’s been making some good stops the last couple games but every goalie is gonna let in a couple & with the lack of defense help & stars shutting down the avs offense, the avs haven’t been able to even it out. i’ll take it tho, Go Stars
@@nick.heintz Yup. The Avs' lack of team defence is clear. It's less evident when you can score 4-5 goals a game, but when you're lucky to get 3, you notice that they can't keep the puck out of their net. Makar was exposed on the shortie last night. He's thinking about what he's going to do 190ft down the ice instead of how to get past the man on his own goalie.
Yeah, I’m an Oilers fan, and I’ve been saying all along that if the Oil do advance, I’d much rather them play the Avs because Dallas is too scary. After that EXTREMELY dominant win today, I can’t see them not being in the finals for the West.
since sports betting became so mainstream i have been questioning the whole integrity of the NHL.
If you think the NHL is bad watch the NBA. Both are actually becoming unwatchable
@@generationxpvp these playoffs have been making me schizophrenic as a boston fan
the nHL has no intergrity and never has. Look at its fucking owner bud.
There’s been bad calls all series, the E rod elbow, the high stick that directly lead to a bruins goal game 1, the 6 consecutive elbows never called on the bruins towards the end of one of the games, etc. A few missed calls isn’t gonna stop the cats when they recorded the same shots on net in one night that the bruins have in the entire series thus far. 🤣 copium
@@c-rod512if Marchand was the one punching Bennett out you Boston clowns would be praising him. Yall are just mad this is the first time it’s finally happening to you guys. Bruins can’t hang with the Panthers, pasta has become overcooked, and Swayman isn’t so elite after all
You won't hear this much, from me, but I agree with Boston. %100
I'm the Vancouver series you missed that Hyman cross-checked zadorov in the face in that same play that required stitches and he went unpunished. The NHL will do everything they can to help McDavid.
Watching that in the Soucy suspension video, right as they're saying "that is cross-checking" had me rolling on the floor.
its actually crazy the excuses crynucks fans come up with up 2-1
@@alexandersiver Let us know when u can beat us without sutherland
Oilers are a one trick pony show. Conor McCrybaby channeling Gretzky with his constant whining at the refs.
@@jamesharris4041 i dont think making to the playoffs consistently is a one trick pony show, you have to be good enough to make it there in the first place.
After watching game 2 of the Oilers in Vancouver series I can't believe this officiating is allowed in the league
Nobody watched it outside of Edmonton and LA, but it was going on in round 1 too. Refs got a hole to dig themselves of if they wanna get Mickey the cup…
Kelly Sutherland is STILL going
They want looser McDavid to get to the cup
Following the Oilers and the LA series and Van series, heavily favourite Oilers for sure.
Diving call in a deciding game??
They're knowing the Oilers PP is hot. Easy to dictate the game by the refs.
@@mr2_mike 💯
What pissed me off? The entire sequence that resulted in the Soucy suspension was started by Mcdavid, and ended by Hyman. And yet here we are.
Step one jawing between CMD and CS.
Step 2 CS shoves CMD.
Step 3 CMD does a light two hander while slipping to the side against CS's pads.
Step 4 CMD recovers posture. CS returns with a light slash on the pads of his own.
Step 5 CMD is cross checked from behind by NZ, resulting in CMD buckling and falling forward.
Step 6 CS goes to cross stick shove CMD up high, but due to step 4 gets him in the face.
Step 7 full scrum ensues behind the net, with some shoving, wrestling and light punches by all skaters on the ice.
I agree NHL player safety screwed up. CMD should have been fined. NZ should have a one game suspension. CS should have received nothing.
The was also a couple of missed calls in game two that drew blood. Overall not impressed with the post whistle reviews this spring in many of the series.
The only problem I have is that McJesus wasn’t fined.
NOBODY gets more preferential treatment from the refs than Edmonton.
@@kaneox123NHL wouldn't dare punish their golden boy. He doesn't get anything for putting his stick in another's face but when it happens to him, it's a game suspension
@@absolvdthat's why Nurse got the weakest penalty I've ever witnessed in a playoff game on Sunday. Pull your head out of your ass
As a bruins fan. There have been plenty of questionable calls primarily for the panthers gain. But that doesn’t mean you just stop attacking and stop shooting the puck. The panthers are very good but they’re not some monster that can’t be taken down. Most of the bruins problems are on the bruins right now they need to find a way to create more offense and get more pucks on net even if they aren’t good shots I think we’ve seen that quality over quantity only goes so far.
Bruins only way of creating offense is by injuring the other team
Floridas beating them at their own game
taste of their own medicine
@@EmporerSprinkel nah you’re actually dumb if you think the bruins from years ago is the same team now
@@EmporerSprinkel Dumb comment. Watch another sport
the Bruins have no answer to Barkov they are gone in 5
Sounds like a Boston fan as usual. Crying crying crying
The way to fix this is the refs meet post game with the media to review tape and explain each penalty called
Yea
There's nothing to fix, the refs are not infallible, so deal with it.
The refs don't make the call
It's the warroom in Toronto.
That'll be a useless waste of time. They'll just say that all their calls were right and just tell you what the rule says.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bad officiating is a tale as old as time. I usually chalk it up to be maybe being in a bad angle, because things look different on the ice, but that goalie interference call was pretty hard to swallow after a video review. There is a pretty clear rule on the books for this, so it really blows my mind, and I have no dog in that fight.
I saw a stat somewhere that in this years playoffs only one of four goalie interference challenges were overturned, and the one was in favor of the Panthers (last round)
With the Bruins series, there have been COUNTLESS questionable penalty calls (Lauko interference, Maroon high stick, McAvoys interference, Lindholm interference) that 1. Restrict the bruins from generating offense because they’re always on the penalty kill and 2. Puts into question the NHLs handling of this series. If they’re gonna “scrutinize” the “dirty play”of the Bruins/Panthers, Bennett should’ve been suspended, the goal shouldn’t have counted, and countless others. Now that the NHL’s policing of this is a joke, players do not care about the hits they’re going to make. I’m not sure how the slightest infractions and common occurrences (Maroons high stick, Lindholm interference) are called as penalties and giving the panthers an obvious edge.
There’s been bad calls all series, the E rod elbow, the high stick that directly lead to a bruins goal game 1, the 6 consecutive elbows never called on the bruins towards the end of one of the games, etc. Acting like a few missed calls isn’t gonna stop the cats when they recorded the same shots on net in one night that the bruins have in the entire series thus far.
The problem is the inevitable result of the non calls. At some point, the players will police the play on the ice and someone like Bennett will end up getting very hurt in a very ugly play - likely after he's done the same to someone else.
@@therecanbeonly1497 I totally agree. I can see why they called Lauko on the goalie interference because he barreled in Bob, but he was literally held and pushed into him by the Panthers dman. Im just not sure why so many of these "soft" (plays that are not totally penalties) are called on the Bruins while they are not called on the panthers
@@NicEeEe843 I do believe the panthers are the better team. They have outclassed the Bruins in many facets. But the obvious bias from the referees in numerous calls have prevented the Bruins from generating offense and having a chance to actually do anything. Its not a few missed calls when 3 (arguably 4) of the 5 penalties (not counting the minor due to the challenge, which was bs) were HORRIBLE calls. A tap on the visor is NOT a high stick. A shoulder to shoulder check is not interference. The Lindholm interference was embellishment. All of these penalties allow the Cats to generate more offense. It doesn't take a lot to see that more powerplays=more shots for the team benefitting and less shots for the team defending
It's not like the Bs haven't gotten away with stuff all season. I remember marchand elbowing a king in the face and the league did nothing. They have historically been one of the dirtiest teams in the league. With that said, I want the refs to make the calls when it happens. Putting a free hand on a player isn't holding, once you tug a jersey they should make the call.
Now goaltender interference is a whole different mess. I've been watching hockey for over 40 years and have never seen it called consistently. Once day it's let the boys play, the next Mike Smith is rolling around on the ice holding his mask acting like he'd been shot. I never did figure out how his mask could hurt so much...
I'd never thought I could hate a team more than Boston, but Florida made a step-up.
Coyle was already in the crease, the hit doesn’t even matter when he was already in the exact position swayman had to be to make that save. That’s what was being reviewed in Toronto, and they saw coyle in the exact location swayman had to move, that makes overturning it significantly harder to call
@@NicEeEe843 Yes. And the goaltender interference was verofied not the brutal cross-check before the goal. Great referees real-life rules. Bravo.
Not to mention the punch into Marchand’s face in the 3rd match.
When teams are so close these “subtleties” count.
Exactly my thoughts. I’m starting to hate Florida more than the Bruins. Especially Tkachuk and Bennet. Hate dirty players!
@@NicEeEe843 thats not the point. There was goaltender interferance. If and how swayman would make the save does not matter. Its not up to the referee to make up an alternative future. Call the interferance, cus thats the only thing we know happened.
@@Pekka.Pekka.1296 you dsid not just call that a "brutal cross-check" that just shows your bias lol, he tapped him.
Lets just be honest. The NHL is slowly becoming the WWF. Even worse, the NHL is promoting betting that eventually causes players with gambling addictions to potentially throw games.
Compared to the NBA or NFL this is nothing tbh lol
You mean players wouldn’t bet on their own team 😭
@@lachlanchester8142i guess its easier to lose intentionally than win.
The NHL’s explanation of why they allowed that goal is bizarre as F.
One it’s been called a cross check forever.
Two, this is literal definition of the goaltender interference rule via NHL.
“If a defending player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by an attacking player so as to cause the defending player to come into contact with his own goalkeeper, such contact shall be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, and if necessary a penalty assessed to the attacking player and if a goal is scored it would be disallowed.”
Therefore, whether the save was a possibility or not, that’s goaltender interference. The argument over whether it could’ve been saved or not isn’t one that’s needed to be had. Coyle had the positioning to defend the rebound via skate or stick, and Swayman had no chance to get over. He’s insanely flexible.
It’s not just this. The sucker punch by Bennett was during a game that the NHL issued warning pregame to both teams saying that the game would be heavily scrutinized. Bennett has used this type of sneaky sucker punch many times already. He actually uses the stick as well to make partial contact. How Player Safety didn’t even have a talk with Bennett is beside me.
There is a video of a net scrum in front of Swayman where he has control of the puck and despite a whistle, Tkachuck does the exact same sucker punch attempt with one hand on his stick but misses Swayman’s face. Look it up.
The Bruins organization hasn’t been able to absolutely crush the NHL and refs because Jeremy Jacobs is one of the most uncaring, stingiest, money hungry owners ever. He clearly put a gag order out on everyone. For Cam Neely to not even leave his office during the press conference shows that he just said F it all then.
The worst part about all of this is that when you try to have an open dialogue about it, You get everyone coming at your throat saying you’re whining, making excuses, blaming the refs, Marchand deserves it, etc.. Do people not realize that Bruins fans are clearly aware of their lack of offensive production and ability to play their game effectively? You can call these plays for what they are without being a homer. Bruins were heavy underdogs going into this series. They lost their 1C, 2C, 1/2Winger & more. They’ve overachieved.
All of these incidents and more that have occurred truly make my “spidey sense” tingle. Something fishy is going on.
Whether win or lose, the Bruins are always a top 5 revenue generating team; 1.5B+.
The Panthers yearly revenue is less than half the Bruins. They’re 30th in revenue yearly.
Gary Bettman knows that the Panthers have untapped potential revenue wise if they can draw fans in. Biggest way to do so? Win in the playoffs. It’s all about getting Florida closer to the revenue of other teams close by such as Tampa Bay. In the end, it’s always about money. Player safety and ensuring the integrity of the game means nothing; except if it’s done to a superstar who pulls in massive money via apparel sales & attendance.
As a lifelong diehard fan of hockey for 35+ years, I’m losing interest at a massive rate.
New York Rangers crush either team anyway next round and I’m all for it.
@parrydox.gaming well & accurately written-I also see I need to watch some of the officiating of these other games cuz it does INDEED appear to be a trend!!
You summed this up (pretty much exactly how I feel about it) really well. And you absolute nailed it…if you even try to have an open dialogue about it we are labeled whiners, losers and hypocrites. All because everyone just already hates Brad Marchand and Boston sports. Disappointing and infuriating tbh. Any true fan of the sport should be incensed by this
Even down to the point about how the league has more to gain in the longterm by heavily expanding into southern markets lol. This could provide a clear motive for why they would actually prefer a relatively unpopular and historically unmarketable team (ESPECIALLY in a market like Florida) over a massive money ball like the Bruins. Why? Well let’s just look at history. Bruins fans will lineup and pay for their $25 beers no matter how many times they fold or get screwed over in the playoffs. But think about it, you’re starting to see more NHL players coming out of Florida. There’s a treasure trove for the NHL and southern markets of untapped potential. If multiple recent Stanley Cup teams are on every billboard and magazine in the sunshine state, all those the little tots grow up wanting to be like Matthew Tkachuk…well, that’s millions and millions and millions and millions of potential more dollars that didn’t exist before…. people are just looking at this stuff on the surface level. It goes deeper than almost anyone could imagine
At the end of the day, anyone who says professional sports couldn’t possibly be rigged are just naïve. Professional sports are legally classified as entertainment. There is absolutely nothing in the world stopping them from steering a game or entire series toward their desired outcome for entertainment and/or FINANCIAL purposes. Same with the draft lol
Wow I left a long comment detailing exactly why it would be entirely plausible that the NHL would prefer the Panthers over the Bruins and the specific series and it got magically deleted. Imagine that! 😂
just about every game this post season has had horrible officiating. Its gotten to the point where I am not watching anymore because I see no calls on one team for the whole game and bs calls on the other side. My team isn't in the post season this year so I was watching to watch but its horrible.
Welcome to the club. I love my cities team, but I realized a while ago, it is often not up to skill, but an inconsistent refs decision
Me too, after that garbage call on Draisaitl lead to a PP for the Canucks leading to goal one, I knew it would be other referee meltdown so I turned off the game. I’m not an Oilers fan, just tired of watching hockey games decided by poor officiating.
This season and last season felt especially bad. Last season we basically just watched Florida and Vegas avoid multiple suspensions until they got to the final….
The league's explanation, on Bennet's goal, makes no sense.
Everything to do surrounding Bennett NOT getting punished makes no Fu king sense
The push was so light coyle either flopped or is made of paper 😂. Coyle was already well in the crease in front of swayman moments before Bennett touched him, the only question is did Sam’s push fully cause the blockage, was Charlie far enough away that the push was the thing that caused swayman to not be able to slide? No, Charlie was already well into the blue/crease in the literal exact location swayman had to be to make that play just moments before Sam touched him, so without the push swayman still most likely can’t make that save with Coyle right in the way, or at least taking the goal away is very hard and it should be a hard call since it’s difficult to make the argument it was Sam’s fault when Charlie was already in the exact space Jeremy had to be before the push was initiated
@@NicEeEe843 "Coyle was already well in the crease in front of swayman" Yes. That's exactly the problem. You can hit a player outside of the crease, but not in the crease when it causes them to come into contact with or fall on the goalie. That's what Bennett did: hit him into the blue paint, to contact the goalie. That's precisely the language of the rule that makes this no goal. Moreover without the crosscheck (it's not a "push" when you hit a player with your stick) Coyle has an opportunity to play the puck or to prevent Bennett from making a play on the puck. It's not complicated. If you disagree, you may be a Panthers' fan, but you're not a fan of hockey. That's not a hockey play.
100% that was a crosscheck into the goalie, that was an awful call
@@AC-gw4qu It doesn’t change the fact that Coyle is facing the goalie. That goal is less likely to happen if Coyle turns his ass around. Can’t deny it. Players are literally taught this in mites.
"What pissed you off" Oh boy - I just don't understand (well I do) why Hyman isn't getting a game as well, seeing as the reasoning they gave Soucy is the exact same situation Hyman was in when he joined that scrum. "Not a hockey play", check. "Stick raised to an unacceptably high level", (He cross checked Big Z in the head so yeah, he had to raise it to 6'6 to get there), "Happened well after the end of the game", check. But the NHL wants to make their money, so they can't punish one of EDM's top scorers, bewildered.
And before any EDM fans get their panties in a bunch and say "Well he was defending his captain" - by that logic the next time Kane gives Hughes a slew-foot that means it's open season on his head too then, yeah? OOF.
How about the controversial dive, I mean interference penality that lead to that PP. All involving a guy that should have been suspended.
I dont know what you’re talking about and even if you are right you are saying two wrongs make a right and excuses the bone head officials and NHL?
and anyone who thinks the punch was fine bc it was on marchand is in agreeance that it was a sucker punch, so every 'couldnt happen to a nicer guy' comment thinks it should be a suspension
@@175gOFdisc And basically every dirty thing Marchand has done, he's been suspended for. It makes no sense.
Hyman crosscheck right after lol. Skinner is getting hung out to dry by oilers D...Boeser clear shooting lanes all the time
2013 sharks sweep of the canucks was a masterclass in one sided officiating. Pps were 22-8, the sharks twice in the series picked up and threw the puck in their zone (once on the goal line) no call. Every game was 1 goal diff or 1 goal + an empty netter. It's always been like this.
same with the 2011 final. the canucks loss to the bruins saw the refs ignoring a LOT of calls against the bruins
I couldn't resist when I saw Hockey Psychology.
I'm a Bruins fan. The ref's are not the reason they are losing this series. Look at the stats as you already stated, HP.
The Bruins beat the panthers in all five meetings this regular season. There is a post season adjustment teams have to make to advance in the brackets. They have to adjust to their opponent in each round. Sometimes each game. The Bruins cannot perform this adjustment as they displayed last year and are this year.
Each team can play a certain style that other teams can't match and advance until you are matched evenly or unevenly. Then, you make the adjustment.
Dirty plays are always happening in the games. We don't notice it as often until everything is going wrong for a team and we look for an excuse as to why.
I agree there are bad calls that have lead to deciding goals in games, but again, teams need to focus on scoring goals.
I've seen four goals scored in under a minute by the same team. Now, each team has sixty minutes on the ice to put a puck in the net as many times as often until the horn blows and in the end the scoreboard decides.
The Bruins have been shut down by the Panthers. Boston needs to figure it out and score goals. Period! At the end of the game, again, what ever is on the score boards decides.
Now, on the other side of things I'll leave you with this: I have to ask when a man punches another man in the side of the head from behind and goes on to win the championship, does that represent excellence? The mark of a champion? That's a sham and it is why the NHL is fifth overall in major professional sports in North America.
I apologize for my diatribe. Peace out.
The refs ALL year have seriously been the biggest embarrassment in the history of NHL. They ALL need to be replaced.
So when are you getting out there.
So when are you getting out there.
@@tulms6307he will
@@tulms6307 If i was allowed 100% i would.
People say this every year
Toronto's entire lineup is built for the 'stand around and look at the puck" game and the "don't show up for 1 or 2 periods a game" game and the "let's lose quickly without any physical stuff so I can still be flexible at the bath house" game.
Ouch
All true. Reminds me of Buffalo’s “let’s never make the playoffs because who cares about winning the Cup” game….which they have perfected.
Toronto is built for regular season, not for playoffs
Same thing in edm
@@theris2747 so is Edmonton...
OK I am not actually wearing a tinfoil hat here but I can see where some people could be convinced theres something sus going on with regards to the Panthers. Way way back in 2010 the VP of Hockey Operations for the NHL, Colin Campbell, sent the Director of Officiating emails complaining about a bunch of on ice calls and one referee he eventually got fired in particular. Many of the calls he was complaining about involved his son Gregory, these emails were one might say overly harsh and definitely profanity laden. This all came out and there was a little bit of a scandal about it but it wasn't big news outside of very invested hockey fans. Campbell apologized and kept his job, he is in fact still the Director of Hockey Operations. Gregory his son is no longer playing but he is the Assistant General Manager of the Florida Panthers.
So one of the three most powerful executives in the league offices who is known for cursing out his subrodinates in person and via email for making questionable calls regarding his son is still in a position of power. And maybe, just maybe this might be going through the minds of those head officials as theyre looking over the tape of that goal to determine if it should be called back.
The Panthers still deserved to win that game they were outplaying the Bruins but this isnt a good look for NHL officiating.
So the Director of Hockey operations is the father of the assistant gm of the Panthers and has a history of threatening and getting refs fired.
Cased closed. Conflict of interest. NHL, guilty.
@@Love.IsTheAnswer Yeah and he's been in that position for more than a decade.
The rules are not followed. The rule states you cannot interfere or impede another player if they don't have the puck. Yet this goes on continuously especially in front of the net. You can't push interfere etc. a player unless he has the puck. It seems now anything goes. It's ruining the game.
Yeah man, that shits been a part of hockey forever though. Net front battles are literally a part of the game. You're absolutely allowed in hockey to battle for ice position, you are allowed to do that. You're not allowed to interfere with someone in the course of going for the puck, typically. That's how it's called. I don't even understand why so many are upset about this shit. I've seen similar plays a lot that aren't called interference. The only difference is that Coyle fell on Swayman but I don't think Swayman can make that save anyway and the shove came right as the puck was being bounced to Bennett. My guess is they felt Swayman wouldn't have made the save and Coyle wouldn't have been able to play the puck so they felt it didn't impact the play. But that's also not at all consistent with what other officials would call and that's where people get upset. But we won't ever have consistency to the levels that claims of fixing and favoritism will go away.
Boston plays similar games like this too though. Look at series 1, Marchand cork screw trips Bertuzzi in the middle of the ice and no call on the play allows for Boston to score. You have to muscle past the cheap shots.
Hockey players are entertainers no different than singers, dancers, etc.
So the question is the NHL willing to compromise their own rules to make the game more entertaining. In my view yes. I find the game far from the earlier days of Hockey when it was passing and stick handling and skating. Now it's roller derby on ice.
@@adamg7984 Bingo. I was going to type the same words. Thank you.
Great adjustments to your format, thank you to listening to our feedback bro. Keep up the great work.
Cats vs bruins: Tbh, I've seen much worse goalie interference calls. Players cross-check all the time in front of the net, this one didn't look egregious and Coyle looked kinda soft going into sway. Disagree with the League saying sway wasn't impacted. My statement would've been that Coyle should've done more to avoid falling into his own goalie as the crosscheck wasn't hard enough to warrant a call. Also technically, I think they couldn't bring the goal back because the crosscheck itself wasn't called.
That said, Bennett the Menace for sure lied to the TNT boys right to their face about "defending himself" from Marchand and it being a hockey play. Not a great look.
Oilers look done as always mid-playoffs. Agree that the 25+ minutes for forwards is a telling sign they got nothing else. And skinner has definitely returned to form. If they don't fix both, might be Canucks in 5 to everyone's surprise, including my own. Props to tocchet, he's a great coach and got them looking like the 16 and 17 Pens, which he was a huge part of. Bravo
Dallas has so much depth and such a good system, it's crazy. Avs are Def frustrated, so might be like the Oilers where it's gonna get to them. Back to form when they couldn't get past the 2nd round.
Rags reverse swept? Hrmm...would be hilarious but prob unlikely even now that canes grabbed 2 back
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I think it's obvious that the leagues explanation of the goal was simply to protect the referees
It was so funny listening to the announcers try to create a reason to justify the call .
The Stars are doing to the AVS what the Avs did to the Jets in rd 1 . Oilers still can't get good goaltending or depth scoring . Canucks are just happy to be where they are . Carolina refuses to go quietly and the Rangers appearing to on their way to another choke job . Florida lives rent free in the Bruins head after last season . Marchand got marchanded and doesn't like how it tastes . Bennett is doing doing what it takes to help his team win by any means necessary !!!
Avs suck pp and even worse since known-quantity-addict choo choo train got suspended. even after getting an unjustified $40mm+ long term contract, he couldn’t get his shit together. Sad situation, but the reality is that most addicts relapse and you have to be bonkers to give one an 8 year contract in the immediate aftermath of his playoff antics last year.
Hopefully they can’t get out of the contract and are stuck paying $40 million for their idiocy.
@@qwerty112311 As a stars fan i’m just hoping Nich can get himself sorted out during this suspension. I hope he can take that money & put it towards help for whatever underlying mental issue is causing him to patch it with substances. Hockey aside, he’s still somebody’s son & friend so it sucks watching that unfold & on a personal level I hope he comes out of the other side a better, healthier person
Canucks just happy to be there?! To date, no team in the playoffs has had to grind out more results and show more resilience than Vancouver has. Canucks have won the most games on the road this playoffs. They came from 4-2 down in the 3rd to win game 1 and won game three in Edmonton to lead the series 2-1 and they’re still making up the numbers?
Canucks just happy to be where they are? Hahhahaha well they should be considering they’re playing against McCrybaby, never seen such a whiner in the league for a while now!! All the coilers have is the whiner and Leon, who blames the posts for not getting goals on our 3rd string goalie, like most others have said, it’s the shooters fault, maybe aim better!! lol but yea, blame everyone,thing but yourselves, speaks volumes about what a great team should be like! Hahahha
I'm a Leafs fan, so definitely not a Brad Marchand fan. I just can understand how so called "player safety" can look at that hit and not give a suspension. he absolutely thrusts his fist forward to make it primary point of contact, it's even worse than the clothesline he gave to Matthew Knies last year
In both cases those players missed the following game, I get it's the playoffs and all, but you can't 2 separate sets of rules.
Also, that not being goalie interference is crazy to me
There is a reason why it's called sports ENTERTAINMENT. Pro sports is managed and controlled.
When the playoffs are rigged the canucks get suspended for an accidental hit to the face, meanwhile Hyman crosschecks Zadorov purposely in the face with the exact same hit while Zadorov is a giant and wasnt falling over, McDavid is allowed to purposely slash Hughes in the face and draw blood without penalty, two oilers are allowed to slew foot canucks players dangerously without repercussions, Nurse is allowed to hit Pettersson from behind head first into the boards nearly breaking his neck, and Oilers are allowed to spear Hoglander in the nuts.
This*
Absolutely. Anyone who knows hockey at all could see this series and how the Canucks would be up 3-0 if not for the fixing in game 2, and now it continues into game 4.. the audacity for some delusional oilers fans to be complaining about the refs on their side is outstanding.
Ummmm…? Go Nucks.
That was quite the spiel.
Enjoy the playoffs, it’s good hockey.
I discovered this channel during Round 1 and I'm loving the content.
The idea of being rigged is gaining with me. Last night in the Ranger and Canes game in the third period there were multiple non-calls against the Rangers. One where the Breadman was behind the net and Burns literally wrapped his arms around him to prevent him from skating away, the ref was five feet away staring at the play and no call. Five minutes later on a face off in the Cane end, Mika Z took the face off and while there was a scrum for the puck the opposing player grabbed his stick shaft to prevent him from getting it on the ice, as the other player skated away he held the stick parallel to the ice, again Mika stared at the ref during the infraction shrugging his shoulders and pointing with his free hand. Again no call.
It’s also odd because multiple tv banners for the series keep messing up. After the Dallas Avs game they showed it 4-1 series (meaning Dallas wins) and I’ve seen it for the kings last series. They also have misreported scores too. I’m not sure what’s going on but it’s getting weird and even weirder with these calls. And it’s all when sports betting is taking off and the ads for sports betting are all over their digital boards.
Betting is making it worse, and espn now having own betting pyramid has announcers talk shit on whoever is losing.
Nhl playoffs should be on pbs
@@r2488 People said the same thing last year about the fucking Ravens and the Chiefs being in the Superbowl on a banner months before. Guess who didn't make it to the Superbowl. You guys need to seriously grow up. Bad calls and calls that seem to favor an opponent have literally gone on for as far back as you'd care to look. You're doing nothing but seeing something you want to see if you think sports are rigged. And it makes me ask if you've ever played sports when people claim this shit. These types of things occur at every level of sport, there will never been a way to perfectly officiate any sport.
That wasn't Burns, it was Chatfield--the other bearded D man. The play's a bit more complicated because once Chatfield's stick goes up to hook, it appears on replay that Breadman holds the stick against his body with his arm--essentially holding the stick, in hopes of insuring a hooking call. That's not to say it wasn't a hook, it may have been, but Panarin didn't help things by appearing to hold the stick. I thought it was a clear hook, until I saw the replay from near the ref's POV.
Hey man great video and love your stuff, but as a Panthers fan I have to correct you. We run a 2-1 forecheck with the F3 as the one to capitalize or to cover for pinching defensemen
If Canucks have a suspension, the oilers have been easily the instigator or equally as nasty. Shocked they haven’t had a player suspended
In that Bennet hit on Marchand though, if you look at it, Marchand was going for a dirty hit on Bennet at the same time and Bennet just reversed it
i hate the bruins, i hate the panthers but c'mon. I'm not saying any of this changed the game or the series but bennet sucker punched marchand, thats a suspension. bennet cross checked coyle into swayman, that is goaltender interference.
Not according to the NHL. They set a precedent. Wouldn’t be surprised if Boston goes out there looking for blood since it’s apparently allowed
Stars fan here.I was fifteen minutes late to work this morning, because I wanted to watch this at home. Not on my phone. EXCELLENT video, as always.
Heres my thing about the crosschecks to McDavid. Early in the regular season Dylan Larkin takes a punch in the back they pushes him down into a crosscheck to the jaw. Knocks him the F out. Nothing. (The suspension to Perron afterward was totally warranted). But it was a similar play. And only now it warrants a suspension and a fine for both involved? Cmon man i dont believe in leage bias but McDavid gets away with so much
Lol, changing the rules for playoff hockey is so stupid. Especially if we're mad about the inconsistent referee calls.
and when the league gets one right, everyone loses their mind
@@Venture143 more so when a call is blatantly ignored
That's a great point. The "rigged" claims are laughable. But the fact that the NHL has a set of regular season officiating standards and then switches pretty radically to a playoff set of standards that no one can define or understand gives oxygen to all the crying fan bases' grievances.
Changing the rules is one thing, but the insanely inconsistent calls and the favoritism is fucking aweful.
@@KoSXxPotatisbarnetXD Well good news, there isn't any favoritism. Just bad officiating.
The refs are making me want to just stop watching completely. Even though my teams are out, it angers me seeing what's happening.
Same
I appreciate your analysis of the bruins vs fla and how you covered the main points without falling in. I'm a bruins fan, but also pay attention to game glow and believe that 99% of the time, odds level out and the team playing better wins. I think the crease call was a shitty call, but I also knew the bruins were going to lose when they were up 2-0 because they were on their heels for the last 45 minutes of that game. The idea that the league would rig for a shorter series is a joke, and people jumping on the rig theory are smoking copium. Also, that goal didn't lose them the game, it tied it, and they responded by pouting and taking terrible penalties and that's not what Champions do. I hope they turn it around and I love the Bs but just be real, people.
Wow! Nothing about the blind-eye attacks on Hughes, just poor poor McBaby.
You forgot the blown interference call when Lorei was pulled into Bobby
My favourite thing about this round 2 series is McDavid not getting a single thing called on him but if any Vancouver player touches him then it's a penalty, fine or suspension. Gotta protect McJesus I guess
Lol. They could have suspended Zadorov and Hyman too, would that make you feel better???
I have NOT seen a good Referee in a LONG time. Vancouver has been handicapped by QUESTIONABLE officials for years.
We need ACCOUNTABILITY!!! On a public stage. Tar and Feather, anyone?
0:51 No, that's not true. Marchand didn't miss the rest of the game after Bennett's hit. He played a few shifts and got rocked again when hitting Steven Lorentz.
shhhh don't tell them that just let them play the victim acting like marchand is some kind of boy scout and that he didn't get hurt trying to hurt other players.
@Hockeyfanfromfinland literally ignoring the fact that Marchand got knocked the fuck out after the punch
@@idawg7332 womp womp, everyone does it, he got injured more after getting a concussion. THATS why he played more because he thought he could play
@@masterchef9512tough shit for him. He has no problem knocking players out, so it’s a moment of celebration when what goes around finally comes around.
@@masterchef9512 Marchand got Marchand-ed. And Bruins got Bruins-ed. Justice.
if Bennett wore the blue and white he'd be suspended for the playoffs 5 games next season find the max then traded to Colorado....
0:20 that’s the face of “I almost shit myself for a second there”
But I feel like they think that goalie interference is when a player messes with the goalie on purpose
I think this round is a truly glorious smorgasbord of great gamesmanship, coaching, creativity, skillful netminding, and old-time hockey grittiness. I also think your video (s) is (are) the perfect way to complete the viewing experience. Your take on my Bruins, for example, was extremely lucid and helps alleviate the tangible pain I’m feeling of watching my favorite team lose to those mouthpiece-gnawing halfwits from the hockey “paradise” in South Florinada. 😱😱
B's in 7.
@@stephendacey8761 They'll be lucky to make it to G6.
Yeah? Well, we half-wits down here are hoping to elevate the tangible pain you're feeling tonight in G5!!! Go Cats!!!
@@JohnVelcofsky Wait until they realize that a decent amount of their fanbase lives down here lol
@@JohnVelcofsky The script is flipped from last year.
NHL's ruling on Bennet's cross check in front of the goal is starting to look like NACSAR - make the rules up as you go. Easy to lose interest in a sport when the rules are changed to create a desired outcome.
Its the Sargent Schultz Rule: "I see nothing, I hear nothing, I KNOW nothing!"
I want to state for the record, I don’t think the NHL is rigged. At all. This isn’t just an issue this year. It’s been consistently an issue that gets progressively worse every year for at least the last 3 years if not 5.
Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. I truly think the refs are either out of their prime (too old) too young (inexperienced) or just simply don’t have the tracking and eye skills needed to be refereeing at such a high caliber in the fastest hockey league in the world. I’ve seen calls in the last 2 rounds where refs called penalties on the wrong player, sent them to the box and then switched who it was called on a minute later. How do you expect anyone to have faith in a system that consistently gets so much wrong? So yeah. I don’t blame people for thinking it’s rigged because when fans are passionate and it’s competitive, everything feels rigged when it doesn’t go your way.
But I will say this: games shouldn’t be decided by bad calls or a lack of calls thereof. It should be entirely skill based, and I think we’re seeing WAY too much of the former these last several years.
I appreciate so much that you bring a genuine logical perspective here. It's nothing but an issue that hockey fans have dealt with for all of time. Inconsistent calls is a problem in sports from the top to the bottom in terms of leagues. Parents cry about it at their kids games, fans cry about it at the professional games. It's just something you deal with.
On that note, I can't agree with your last part. The game is decided on a lot more than a few calls and can always be won in spite of bad calls. It's up to the team to get the fucking job done.
Its definitely bad, but as a Sharks fan who went through both 2011 and 2019 (where they were on each side of getting screwed and benefitting from ref mistakes), as a friend of a Sabres fan still upset about 98, Im not convinced this is "getting worse". The NHL has always been screwy regarding playoff reffing.
Nah trust me. They are rigged to SOME degree. All of them. Legally, professional sports are classified as “entertainment”. They can do whatever they want within certain reasonable boundaries, if it gets too obvious people will freak out, especially now that they are betting obscene amounts on it, again….”legally”..it will continue to get much much worse and more obvious as legalized sports betting spreads
You make a lot of great points here but not all incompetence is accidental. Just remember that
all pro sports are rigged
Even though i watch these games, I still love watching your analysis and comments. Thanks!
Playoff hockey the calls are normally pretty even with the refs letting a lot of stuff go, the panthers have gotten everything their way 21 - 9 for Power plays in the series in favor of Florida idk how you don't bring that up
I find it a bit crazy bennett not getting at least talked to by the league for that punch
The way I see it is that Vancouver is the better team 5v5 and that Edmonton is relying heavily on the PP
Just like the canes and rangers
@@elijahmatter5635 No not at all the Rangers have a number of finishers that the Canes do not add the goalies and STs and it makes plenty of sense why the Rangers had won 9 of 11 against Carolina going into the series. The real question should be why the Canes were ever favored in the first place.
@@jameshannagan4256 The canes would have won if they had a better PP they ended that series 2-21. personally i think the canes were the better team but Igor was a god and the canes PP sucked
When it comes to GI the panthers have won every single challenge and every call through the first two rounds so far lol. Lohrei somehow called on a GI makes no sense and Florida won both of Tampas GI challenges in the last game of last series. Can’t help but think the worst.
McDavid is gonna think about that slash he gave before he got his chicklets removed though.
I like to see LOOSER MCDAVID get smoked on a clean check or a good hit
It also doesn't help that coaching keeps putting Ceci, & Nurse together, who have been on the ice for nearly half of Vancouvers goals on us.
I love the NHL and want new fans to be attracted to it, but the league can just never seem to get out of it's own way. What are we all talking about right now? Should be talking about the amazing playoffs, but nope, it's the conspiracy theory level awful officiating and the goonish play.
The Panthers know exactly what they can get away with and will push the limits as far as they can. And good on them, that's how you become a better playoff hockey team, I'm saying that as a B's fan. But I'm also saying if the league doesn't want to get rightfully clowned on like this, it's on them to fix it, or it's tacit endorsement that teams should absolutely treat as such.
I absolutely cannot stand the Bruins and I cant believe I am actually defending them but the GI non call was the most dumbfounded Ive been about a call. That absolutely has devastating effects on outcomes of games. Im not giving excuses for Bostons poor play after but you can understand how they feel. I also cant stand Marchand, and everyone knows that dude 9 times out of 10 deserves a shot to the head but not like this and now in a cowardly way that could end someones career. Shots to the temple you dont see coming can and has killed people or left them impaired. Unacceptable.
Love the consistent Cabo jokes because I'm currently on my way to Cabo so I hope some of these players take your advice and meet me there 😂
These bots are crazy
Also the mcdavid bias is actually real and I’m a oilers fan
It’s just like Crosby bias before it.
Thank you! Can you convince the other million?! 😂
@@eMRH1202 difference is Crosby had a complete team surrounding him when he won
How many cheap hits has Marchand dealt out unabated? All sports are rigged.
You could claim that it’s a conspiracy…if there wasn’t video and audio of refs admitting “game management” add to the fact that officials are never made to answer for their actions publicly and the absolute lack of consistency game to game or official to official means it is actually happening. Takes a whole lot of gymnastics to pretend otherwise.
I wish sports betting wasn't a thing. bets between friends, that's fine. But when betting becomes big business that ruins EVERYTHING.
As an EU Andy it's quite difficult for me to watch the NHL without getting the results spoiled, therefore I'm on 0 sleep atm. But man I couldn't wait for a review of these games by you. Great work.
What's an "EU Andy"?
@@humanbeing2420 casual from Europe
@@kevinbacon7772 Thanks. I googled it and found nothing...
Canadian teams represent 1/5th of the league but have won 1 Stanley cup 40 years. It doesn't add up unless the head office goal is increasing fan base. Bettman knows the Canadian market is already maxed out with few other professional sports as competition, other that Toronto.
Sorry but I had to stop 1 minute in because you are wrong about the Marchand incident. He didn’t leave after the hit from Bennett, he played until the third period. That’s when we got the news he’s not coming back out
Literally the rule is worded exactly as this Bennett play went down and somehow these referees missed this call? Clearly they don't know the rules or they are too gutless to enforce the rules. They brought in replays just so we did not have this nonsense of refs arbitrarily calling what they want and to help them out and yet they still can't get it right? Costly call...tied an important playoff game up. Great work refs !!!
I don't know if rigged is the right word as I don't think a particular team is being singled out to win it but you can clearly see how when a team gets a lead, suddenly penalties are called on only them etc. It's as if the refs have orders from high to make games as close as possible to make them more exciting.
Dallas and Florida in the cup I’m calling it. The NHL is trying to get a bigger audience down south, let’s be real the north carries most of the NHL with viewers, look at the prices of tickets in Boston vs Florida, the fan bases don’t compare in size. The most popular teams with the biggest fan bases come mainly from Northern US and Canada.
The officiating is not rigged... But it is incompetent and biased. It's clear that referees' authority matters more to the league than the rules or the integrity of the game. Because decisions are so inconsistent, random and arbitrary, and because none of them are ever explained, everyone feels cheated at some point or another.
If the Bruins just focused on the playing the game, I believe they would do much better. Instead, they're out there focusing on head hunting and settling scores. This is true from the 1st game in of the series, not since Bennett and Marchand's collision. Marchand was focusing on head hunting on that one to by the way. He was going for Bennett and found out. Boston wants be tough guys instead of winning the damn cup.
Rigged is a step too far, but the NHL clearly has a preference for who they want to win and they give certain teams preferential calls. It’s a business first and foremost. If Florida doesn’t win games, their fans stop watching. That’s bad for the league and the league needs to protect its financial viability. They basically have to manage the entertainment value of the games to maximize viewership while still having some semblance of competition.
So how does the league "give" preferenfial calls? You think refs are told to be lop sided? Theres no way--this would get exposed extremely quickly. Crooked refs in other sports/leagues are exposed very quickly--let a lone a league wide coordinated conspiracy at the highest level. Hockey is simply a hard game to ref cause there are subjective borderline penalties almost every shift
If the NHL rigged games then Toronto would’ve won a Stanley Cup by now.
Same thing has happened for years in the playoffs to Toronto with the same 2 Teams Florida and Boston one sided calls and none calls when its Clear .Leafs have Figured it out not worth the $164,000 to get Butchered in the playoffs and bad calls from the refs .🏌♀🏌♂🏌♀ Leafs Fabulous 50 Million Dollar 5 Golfing in the Sun .Simpsons HA HA !!!
@@joshciviletti3032 Toronto Sells out anyway. They never need to win the cup.
I don't think it goes that far personally, I think they want to keep games competitive though, they want series to go longer so they try to keep calls in favor of the losing team or equal, even when one team is in reality more deserving of penalty's and such.
Florida may have comeback and won that game. But the fact that it happened that way is unacceptable
Bennetts hit ppl say “they’re letting them play” but Boston is getting called for the softest.. dumbest and insane shit
😂😂😂 only if you're a Boston fanboy
yeah punching lundell in the face, skating into bobrovsky, making tkachuk bleed. Clearly just soft penalties. Open your eyes, boston turned into goons as soon as the 3rd period of game 2 started
@@idawg7332 yea what do u expect when the refs aren’t calling penalties on Florida 🤡
Same thing is happening in the Rangers vs Canes series.
@@idawg7332 called Boston “not physical” all playoffs.. so bennett hurts our captain and now THEYRE the dirty ones 🤦♂️
That was way more goalie interference than both of the goals called back from the lightning vs Panthers in the last series. Definitely seems like the refs are favoring Florida this year
The refs look the most dangerous in the playoffs
Stopped my 40 year addiction to the Bruins and the NHL when they started putting Chinese writing on the boards and they started the lgbt awareness weakness bs. All sports are totally rigged now. No time for the woke version of anything.
I used to think it was just inept officiating but now I think it’s a combination of inept officiating and League ‘desired outcomes’ (with the overall goal of expanding the game in the US markets). Don’t forget the spectre of corporate Gambling sponsorship weaving its way through the NHL. I love the game, watch when I can, but these days sometimes have to shake my head and say ‘that’s fishy’. WWE, tbh.
Officiating is wildly inconsistent. I can accept that refs are going to miss things. It's a fast game and they're human.
What's less acceptable is when the call is still wrong after a video review.
And what's even worse is when the DOPS makes these wildly inconsistent rulings. Soucey gets a game for a poorly timed crosscheck, but Bennet walks away free for a blindside full-speed sucker punch that injures a guy out of the series?
Make it make sense
Yeah, that punch was rough. I certainly have no love for Marchant, but nobody deserves that.
Unfortunately, the DoP"S" didn't even punish Hyman's cross-check to the face of Zadorov, which you can watch by watching the video about Soucy's 1 game suspension for a cross-check to the face. Comedic timing is about all those DoP"S" clowns are good for.
@@methany8788 For sure. The DOPS has all the time in the world and every camera angle to review these plays. The optics are that they put the business first over consistently applying fines and suspensions.
Oh they’re not generating enough chances and they haven’t been the better team so the goal is ok and the punch is ok. That’s all I keep hearing that’s even more ridiculous of a take.
Vancouver had 18 shots and won. Edmonton had 45 shots and lost. Your propaganda is weak.
Panthers are just playing better than the bruins so they deserved to have their lead and season sabotaged by the refs
I'd rather the ref's bury their whistles or keep calls consistent at the very least. In the case of Bos/Fla, 21-11 pp's, let's be real the panthers are no angels on the ice...
Wait until the next round when one of the Oilers and Canucks have to overcome an American team and the officials to progress, then let’s assess whether the playoffs and NHL are rigged.
100% agree.
I hope it is the Oilers so we don't have to see Vancouver tear the town apart again!
@@MrBildozer17 sorry but have you seen Downtown Vancouver?
@@JimboSlice-cg5ky A couple times... 2011 and 1994. While I haven't physically been there, I am sure there aren't car fires that are just randomly happening. Then again, I could always be wrong.
Just commenting here since it's the most recent vid: Because of you Vancouver break down recently, I knew a TJ Miller goal was a set play. That would have made me feel important except I'm in Asia and watch the games alone at 5 am. 😥😜 Don't ever stop.
There was interference I suppose, but clearly Swayman wouldn't have slid over in time to save it. I mean you can't call every shove or "accidental" fall into the goaltender. The Bruins then allowed the panthers to march right down and score another one so it is not like the disputed goal was the deciding factor.
It was a crosscheck for one, it interfered with swaymans ability to make a save (the above angle shows him looking to the right but unable to move since he had a player pushed on him) and had that guy not been crosscheck he would have been in the way to block or intercept the shot/pass.
The only thing saddens me from this series is that both teams can't lose in the same series.
These playoffs have been so obviously scripted that it isn't even funny
Missed the mcdavid high stick to hughes that drew blood
That's the Sidney Crosby Rule. The game's elite get judged by a different rulebook. McDavid would've had to impale Hughes with his stick to get called for a penalty.
Even worse on the bennett goal was the bs interference call that led to the pp. A bs pp with a goal that should have been disallowed by a player that could have been suspended for the Marchand hit. Its crazy. The bruins have no business being in this series at all, I mean they're being completely outplayed, but if that goal didn't happen, there's a chance this is going back to Florida 2-2.
So we’re going to start blaming bad calls on Bruins shitty performance? I mean cmon look at what happened to Vancouver, Hughes took a literal high stick- hell he took the entire stick to the face only for the play to go uncalled, what did Hughes and Vancouver do? They took the L and came back ten-fold and won, maybe ppl should start questioning bostons discipline and performance…….
Exactly!! But no don’t say that… these people don’t want the truth or reality. They want to blame bad calls on the reason why their team is losing. Look at game 5. Bruins played a much better and disciplined game, and they won. But yea it’s “rigged” 😂
He obviously cross checks him into the goalie intentionally. He was also smart about it as to not make it too egregious and give just enough of a shove. But, the rule states that its illegal. Toronto should have overruled the on ice crew on this one.
Interesting that Brad Marchand had 10:51 TOI in game 3 but the hit from Bennet that supposedly took him out took place 3:41 into the first. Pretty sure Marchand hurt himself on a hit to Steven Lorentz later in the game. Somehow that’s being overlooked
regardless of that, thats a dirty hit by bennet anyways. Everyone says the rat gets what he deserves, right up until its bennet or someone else doing that to their player. Fans are delusional and need to realize shit like that doesnt help anyone and only makes the league worse. So do the refs, makes the game unfun to watch.
That's not how concussions work. Some players (and people in real life) can be concussed and not realize it at the time. That's part of what makes them dangerous. You take a hit, think you're fine and keep playing, only to exacerbate the problem. I once got concussed on the first set of downs in a football game (illegally tackled after scoring a touchdown) and went on to play the whole game. I woke up the next day and had no idea where I was, how I got there, or what day it was. Apparently, from all reports, I had a good game. But I couldn't play or practice for weeks as a result of the injury.
That isn't how all Injuries work. For example, last postseason Eberly hit Cagliano awkwardly into the boards in the Kraken avs series. Cagliano played a few more shifts before heading down the tunnel. Turns out he had a neck fracture.
Most of these guys will tell you they're fine and can play when they clearly should not be out there.
I hate the Bruins. But that call blew my mind. It shouldn't have even needed challenged. That should've been blown dead as soon as Florida touched the puck. How they allowed that goal to stand is baffling.
But let's keep promoting sport's betting