As a proud Italian American, I'll defend the Italian tankettes 1: Italy was mostly fighting Arab and Ethiopian tribesmen and the tank did that job just fine 2: They're suited to Italian terrain 3: Italy's economy had limited resources to work with, and light machine gun tanks that are cheap to manufacture are better than no tanks or only a handful of decent tanks
Lemme just throw in there that an LMG mounted in a vehicle or portable mount / hardmount actually becomes a heavy MG. So the carro veloce is a tankette with a "heavy machine gun" Edit: Some might want to call it a medium machine gun, which my definition would closer adhere to but different countries have different doctrines. Austria, where I am from, doesn't even have the category of medium machine gun we just have light, heavy and very heavy machine guns (or super heavy machine guns, the translation get's lost in the definition) for example.
@@Aldrahill Italy had a trade agreement with germany where germany was supposed to supply tanks to italy which they did to an extent, giving italy tanks like the dicker max and such which werent suited to italy's mountainous terrain The italian tankettes were basically the ww2 version of an IFV, a light armoured vehicle that is supposed to fight exclusively infantry, which is why they had flamethrowers and machine guns rather than cannons, something italy could make with its limited resources and production, but still was effective in combat, they were never supposed to fight other tanks
If I didn’t do it, I would have been cheating! I also was originally going to use the irregulars as garrison, but thought about it and was like “NO IT SAYS TABKETTE ONLY” so I suffered instead xD thanks for noticing!
It would have changed things with fuel, but not enough to change the outcome if that is the only change. Panzer 4s use less than 1/9th the fuel as Panthers and 1/12th the fuel of tigers to travel the same distance. So for the same fuel reserves you either have more tanks being active or the same number of tanks moveing more.
Light tanks are actually OP due to their speed meaning if you ever break a unit you'll probably over run them. Also Germany probably Sea Lion'd because you somehow managed to destroy all their fleet.
0:08 Because they didn't have supply lines for 1000 Pz4's and anyway it was in the german spirit to build bigger things,especially because Hitler wanted them,and they needed Quality to be able in they're mind to beat the russians and the allies. 0:10 hoped for a decisive battle where they would destroy so much of the US Navy that they would opt for a peace,where Japan could get the Philippines and some islands,and have free reign in the south pacific,the Kantai Kessen,was the decisive battle doctrine,and they hoped to work vs the US the same way it worked vs the russians in the russo-japanese war. 0:14 Since the italian terrain was pretty much all mountains and hills,they wanted a very mobile and small tank that could support the infantry in the mountains,since they thought they are gonna have to fight again in the Alps just like in WW1.
@@Aldrahill I actually had a different idea for it that it’s Fuel only Japan. All the divisions will need to use fuel. So motorized, SPGs, tanks etc. I think support are fine like AA, logistics, etc. so if you think you can survive and not having to build refineries in every state.
Italy made those tanks to fight on the alps n Japan attacked the US cause they thought the US could use the Phillipines to attack Japanese supply pre sure Fire video
Did u do more than one collaboration goverment mission? Because i suspect you did only one mission which gives between 30-45% and you need another mission or 2 to get near 90
At least "bad tank" in hoi4 add hardness/armor and maybe hard attack, unlike in tank games where they're useless due to not fighting infantry/light vehicles
Why is the tank so small ? Because the Italians thought about another mountain war, they needed light and small vehicles that could traverse the alps and the Dolomiti, they didn't think about a global war. Once started it was just too late for a successful design
From what I understand, Japan attacked the US Pacific fleet based solely on the fear that America would interfere in their little Pacfiic conquest. Later reports say it was unlikely the US would do more than just embargo Japan. Even if Japan attacked the Philippines. It seems to be a theme with the US in World Wars. The enemy tries to take them out of the game before they even enter, solely out of the fear they may get fully involved. But that in itself causes the US to enter. It is possible the US would've become a member of the Allied powers and joined the war some other way. Maybe Hitler would've done a Zimmerman Telegram 2.
Yo, W for using the tankette in the intro. The tankette picture was from the only W anime, Girls Und panzer Edit: you can add another W to your list of huge Ws
as an australian, I'd love to see if you could prevent france from capping using australia, and to beat the axis + japanese it's australian cruiser tanks (A.C. Mk 1-4), also known as Sentinel tanks AC.mk1's design is: 1938 hull, medium cannon 1 (or improved small cannon), radio 1, heavy machine gun, additional machine gun, sloped armour, torsion bar, cast armour, gasoline engine (historically had a topspeed of about 48km/hr but ingame whatever you want is good enough) and about 65mm of armour (again whatever you want is good enough) AC.Mk2's design cant be replicated in hoi4 (was supposed to use existing parts to make making the mk1 easier and faster) to accomodate, can replace the cannon with a medium howitzer for extra soft attack AC.Mk3 is the 1940 hull, medium cannon 2, radio 1(orbetter) additonal machine gun, sloped armour, torsion bar, cast armour, gasoline engine and improved armour (can make a variant with improved howitzer) AC.Mk4 1940 hull with improved high velocity cannon, radio 1 or better, heavy machine gun, additional machine gun, sloped armour, torsion bar, cast armour, gasoline engine and as much speed and armour as you want. (historically was around 45km/hr + 65mm of armour)
You should try having realistic production orders let's say with the soviets you will produce mosins instead of svt rifles or have them in smaller production
Germany Not Building More Pz4s Was Due To Not Having The Manpower Or Production To Compete With Both The USA And The USSR. Even If They Just Spammed Pz4s They Wouldn't Have Had The Men To Crew That Many. Italy Thought The Next War Would Be Like The Previous (Just Like France) But Unlike France Italy Fought In The Alps So Heavy Tanks Are A No Go And Long Story Short That Led To Italy Only Building An Actual Medium Tank Considered A Heavy By Them By 1943
I was just watching a Taureor video. I think you just need to have the majority of the war participation, but occupation points would help with war participation
1. Germany didnt have enough fuel to man more tanks, they had misconception that they could just make few better tanks and it would cover lack of fuel to burn by quantity over quality 2. Japan attacked america because us navy was policing pacific ocean and japanese empire believed their manifest destiny ichi go was to rule all of asia and as us protested china war, they were clearly enemy and had to go. 3. Italians live in mountains and only african holdings were mountainous, tanks dont go through mountains, top of it italy never really expected ww2 to go off in a way it did, they expected large european war, so they only made tankettes as token development to support infantry, only thing they didnt account for was that their infantry was dogshit too.
Ironically their fewer 'better' tanks burned fuel at unfavourable rates. You could send 9 panzer 3s, 4s or stugs with the same fuel and the same distance that a single panther, considering a panther was considered inferior worth than 3 panzer 4s it's more than 3 times better fuel eficency wise to not build Panthers Irl.
@@Aldrahill If you decide to play ww2 Hungary then i recomend you play it with Extended Hungary mod. It's the most historical ww2 mod for Hungary. (In my opinion)
You should play with nothing else but the hearts of furries mod, there is no chsnges except for some pictures but i think its funny(and i totally dont use it regularly)
That colonial police event is stupidly worded. The option you didn't pick only automatically sets your African colonies to use colonial police. You don't actually get anything from saying no like you did. It just keeps the occupation laws unchanged.
17:26 - "I got all of England. Not the UK, but England."
**A horde of angry Scots and Welshmen begin furiously typing.**
I MEANT BRITAIN OH GOD PLZ SPARE ME CELTS
Duce's put on his uniform and today he means business.
That one greek song reference???!?!?!!
@@NueclearI hope so
*Ah, Ciano!*
As a proud Italian American, I'll defend the Italian tankettes
1: Italy was mostly fighting Arab and Ethiopian tribesmen and the tank did that job just fine
2: They're suited to Italian terrain
3: Italy's economy had limited resources to work with, and light machine gun tanks that are cheap to manufacture are better than no tanks or only a handful of decent tanks
True, but boy did Italy lag behind with producing the semovente mediums later in the war that would have been useful to roll out faster!
Based and spaghetti pilled.
Lemme just throw in there that an LMG mounted in a vehicle or portable mount / hardmount actually becomes a heavy MG.
So the carro veloce is a tankette with a "heavy machine gun"
Edit: Some might want to call it a medium machine gun, which my definition would closer adhere to but different countries have different doctrines.
Austria, where I am from, doesn't even have the category of medium machine gun we just have light, heavy and very heavy machine guns (or super heavy machine guns, the translation get's lost in the definition) for example.
looks at Hungarian Turán I*
ha, shit tank
@@Aldrahill Italy had a trade agreement with germany where germany was supposed to supply tanks to italy which they did to an extent, giving italy tanks like the dicker max and such which werent suited to italy's mountainous terrain
The italian tankettes were basically the ww2 version of an IFV, a light armoured vehicle that is supposed to fight exclusively infantry, which is why they had flamethrowers and machine guns rather than cannons, something italy could make with its limited resources and production, but still was effective in combat, they were never supposed to fight other tanks
I wonder how would italian food taste if it was grilled on heated L3 plate
You know he is dedicated to the smol tonk when he makes them the garrison when nobody would have said anything if he just left it.
If I didn’t do it, I would have been cheating! I also was originally going to use the irregulars as garrison, but thought about it and was like “NO IT SAYS TABKETTE ONLY” so I suffered instead xD thanks for noticing!
Survive as historical France while only using napoleonic war divisions (yes in hoi4)
Oh god xD so much Cavalry
@@Aldrahilland artillery
So no planes? 😂
@@SmallPotato2313Recon balloons maybe?
I'm afraid this is legally classified as heavy infantry... Considering how they have to push it.
If the germans built more panzer 4s it would change nothing, they didnt have fueld for nothing and their logistics was dogshit
True ;) It's just something I see repeated a lot
It would have changed things with fuel, but not enough to change the outcome if that is the only change.
Panzer 4s use less than 1/9th the fuel as Panthers and 1/12th the fuel of tigers to travel the same distance. So for the same fuel reserves you either have more tanks being active or the same number of tanks moveing more.
Light tanks are actually OP due to their speed meaning if you ever break a unit you'll probably over run them.
Also Germany probably Sea Lion'd because you somehow managed to destroy all their fleet.
Too bad my max speed was 5.9 xD and yeah, I invested in dockyards so that must be it
babe wake up new italian meta just dropped
Ayyyy good suggestion! I was terrified to do this one but it actually wasn’t that bad!!
@@Aldrahill it still looked pretty awful to do but it didnt go as awful as i was hoping for haha!
L furry
0:08 Because they didn't have supply lines for 1000 Pz4's and anyway it was in the german spirit to build bigger things,especially because Hitler wanted them,and they needed Quality to be able in they're mind to beat the russians and the allies.
0:10 hoped for a decisive battle where they would destroy so much of the US Navy that they would opt for a peace,where Japan could get the Philippines and some islands,and have free reign in the south pacific,the Kantai Kessen,was the decisive battle doctrine,and they hoped to work vs the US the same way it worked vs the russians in the russo-japanese war.
0:14 Since the italian terrain was pretty much all mountains and hills,they wanted a very mobile and small tank that could support the infantry in the mountains,since they thought they are gonna have to fight again in the Alps just like in WW1.
They did have the supply lines for more panzer 4s. It's Purley a mentality problem.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Even if you have the supply lines,do you have spare parts,oil,crews(especially) and shells for all of them? Doubt
Now re-due this on R56 because they actually have Tankette models to use
You should try defending as a historical Poland, perhaps with your help they could have held the line
Really liking all your videos btw!
Yes, definitely wanna give that a try :) And thank you so much!
This challenge would be interesting to see done in black ice. Lots more suffering to be had
You’d just die xD
4:43 By clicking "Recruit them" it will yes unlock the colonial police force but put them automatically in the occupied territories of Africa too
My honest reaction to L3:
I wish the itallian tanks got attack bonuses in mountains
0:08 coz they ran out of fuel. the tanks-useless, the luftwaffe-useless, the kriegsmarine-useless.
Now defeat the Luftwaffe with only the Boulton Paul Defiant.
Well now I gotta offer a challenge.
Doing a tank only campaign….as Japan.
Jesus Christ… the agony!.. I’ll write it down
@@Aldrahill it’s gonna be fuel rationing to a whole other level.
I do like this idea :D
@@Aldrahill I actually had a different idea for it that it’s Fuel only Japan. All the divisions will need to use fuel. So motorized, SPGs, tanks etc.
I think support are fine like AA, logistics, etc. so if you think you can survive and not having to build refineries in every state.
Tankettes are my favourite armoured vehicle. They're stupid little things that shouldn't work but sometimes do. The Vickers VI was a classic example
Italy made those tanks to fight on the alps n Japan attacked the US cause they thought the US could use the Phillipines to attack Japanese supply pre sure
Fire video
Why build better tanks when you can build more of then. L3 is good enough, just build more for our Duce!
I also had Germany do sealion once, and i sent over my tanks to help.
Did u do more than one collaboration goverment mission? Because i suspect you did only one mission which gives between 30-45% and you need another mission or 2 to get near 90
I have a fun idea: Japan or Netherlands bicycle only. I love the vids!
Japan bicycle only isn't really a challenge, they're mad OP.
@@FairyRat I know, but it is funny.
This historical units/equipment series is fantastic.
Oh damn, thank you so much! Next one is Britain in ww1 :)
12:35 when Italy Regia won over the Mediterranean, it was a major upset for the British Royal Navy weww..
17:39 hey! What the hell did you do to my country?! You colonize Indonesia
5% War contribution as Italy?
Well, that is still 5 times more than Italy did historically 😃
Hey! They… died in Italy! And started more wars! And… collapsed into civil war! They helped the allies :D
@@AldrahillThey made history as the only country in ww2 to have negative contribution!
Watch potential history’s video on Italian meme tanks to actually answer your questions in the intro
Hmmm.... Ethiopia would like to protest the use of infantry for this challenge.
At least "bad tank" in hoi4 add hardness/armor and maybe hard attack, unlike in tank games where they're useless due to not fighting infantry/light vehicles
Funky tonk go brrrrr
Good job, AI can sealion if you just spam subs and deprive them of fuel as well. Works great with subs.
What's crazy is that apparently its cheaper than the Truck in Hoi4, not realistic.
Don't let the design fool you, the L3 33 was the strongest tank in WW2
Secret op strats, if it wasn’t for mossolini it would’ve conquered the world Smhshakemyhead
@@Aldrahill exactly!
play as Turkey, and reform the Ottomans using only camel divisions
OH GOD I really do wanna do ottomans at some point never actually done it because it takes so long!
I just witnessed it and I still don't believe it's possible
A world where anzio didn't cut down to 2 snacks a day XD
Again a wonderful video❤
Thank you so much 😀 hope you like getting the vids early, trying real hard to get them out the day before :)
W video, please keep doing these vids
Every week! :)
Why is the tank so small ?
Because the Italians thought about another mountain war, they needed light and small vehicles that could traverse the alps and the Dolomiti, they didn't think about a global war. Once started it was just too late for a successful design
From what I understand, Japan attacked the US Pacific fleet based solely on the fear that America would interfere in their little Pacfiic conquest.
Later reports say it was unlikely the US would do more than just embargo Japan. Even if Japan attacked the Philippines.
It seems to be a theme with the US in World Wars. The enemy tries to take them out of the game before they even enter, solely out of the fear they may get fully involved. But that in itself causes the US to enter.
It is possible the US would've become a member of the Allied powers and joined the war some other way. Maybe Hitler would've done a Zimmerman Telegram 2.
As a war thunder player.
The L3 slander is mentally taxing
Bros such a good TH-camr he got me at “can”
Do the Netherlands with only bicycle divisions
please do a Greece world conquest, or at least defeat the major powers of the world.
Which Greece path ? :) classic Byzantium or other?
@@Aldrahill Communist would be cool but if you want a challenge, try a democratic run
Try to hold France with historical templates and no extended maginot
Dude, how did you manage that naval victory? We need these tactics :D
So now that you've done Italy tankets only, what would Germany without tracked vehicles look like.
Surprisingly easy! Even infantry only is surprisingly strong 💪
Yo, W for using the tankette in the intro. The tankette picture was from the only W anime, Girls Und panzer
Edit: you can add another W to your list of huge Ws
as an australian, I'd love to see if you could prevent france from capping using australia, and to beat the axis + japanese it's australian cruiser tanks (A.C. Mk 1-4), also known as Sentinel tanks
AC.mk1's design is: 1938 hull, medium cannon 1 (or improved small cannon), radio 1, heavy machine gun, additional machine gun, sloped armour, torsion bar, cast armour, gasoline engine (historically had a topspeed of about 48km/hr but ingame whatever you want is good enough) and about 65mm of armour (again whatever you want is good enough)
AC.Mk2's design cant be replicated in hoi4 (was supposed to use existing parts to make making the mk1 easier and faster) to accomodate, can replace the cannon with a medium howitzer for extra soft attack
AC.Mk3 is the 1940 hull, medium cannon 2, radio 1(orbetter) additonal machine gun, sloped armour, torsion bar, cast armour, gasoline engine and improved armour (can make a variant with improved howitzer)
AC.Mk4 1940 hull with improved high velocity cannon, radio 1 or better, heavy machine gun, additional machine gun, sloped armour, torsion bar, cast armour, gasoline engine and as much speed and armour as you want. (historically was around 45km/hr + 65mm of armour)
You can only use bob semples and/or inter war designs
Oh god bob senile only no please :(
Maybe Poland but only historical and presets divisions?
@Aldrahill play as France and win world war 2 using only char series tanks
OH GOd literally impossible xD
Germany, but only using the Maus
Italy is such a weak country in this game for a major. The dlc just adds so much problems for Italy.
Do a campaign with only divisions that have 69 hardness
And 420 defends?
@@Aldrahill perfection
ATTACK THE D POINT
Really fun video
Glad you enjoyed it!
Requete only as Carlist Spain.
You should try having realistic production orders let's say with the soviets you will produce mosins instead of svt rifles or have them in smaller production
L3 on 10 br on war thunder be like :
Germany Not Building More Pz4s Was Due To Not Having The Manpower Or Production To Compete With Both The USA And The USSR.
Even If They Just Spammed Pz4s They Wouldn't Have Had The Men To Crew That Many.
Italy Thought The Next War Would Be Like The Previous (Just Like France) But Unlike France Italy Fought In The Alps So Heavy Tanks Are A No Go And Long Story Short That Led To Italy Only Building An Actual Medium Tank Considered A Heavy By Them By 1943
Am I the only one who can’t tell if he if British or American 😂. Anyway great video 👍
I’m British! Just a weird accent xD
@@Aldrahill as a Yorkshireman I can relate 😂 keep up the good work mate 👍
Tonk.
Can't wait😵
As that one mofo who can't shift production so only uses light tanks, maybe?...
I think collabs dont work if you dont occupy the territory
DAMN that makes sense!
No you just dont get the compliance from it the surrender limit reduction still applies
I was just watching a Taureor video. I think you just need to have the majority of the war participation, but occupation points would help with war participation
I have great idea play on poland using only polish tankettes
NO NOT MORE TANKETTES
Isn't the tiger a bad tank?
Minute 26:10 is historically accuratte Italy in WW2
Is super heavy only run as Germany plausible
Oooo… that sounds… painful ;) oh wait, super heavies are now only a support company :(
Shoulda made Anti air l3/33's instead of planes haha
I would've, but Italy didn't make any that were properly l3/33s, so I couldn't (:(
@@Aldrahill Fair enough woulda been silly
Win as Soviets with stock T-26 only.
Good suggestion!
can you beat the allies with only super heavy tanks
Super heavies are now support companies only :(
1. Germany didnt have enough fuel to man more tanks, they had misconception that they could just make few better tanks and it would cover lack of fuel to burn by quantity over quality 2. Japan attacked america because us navy was policing pacific ocean and japanese empire believed their manifest destiny ichi go was to rule all of asia and as us protested china war, they were clearly enemy and had to go. 3. Italians live in mountains and only african holdings were mountainous, tanks dont go through mountains, top of it italy never really expected ww2 to go off in a way it did, they expected large european war, so they only made tankettes as token development to support infantry, only thing they didnt account for was that their infantry was dogshit too.
Ironically their fewer 'better' tanks burned fuel at unfavourable rates. You could send 9 panzer 3s, 4s or stugs with the same fuel and the same distance that a single panther, considering a panther was considered inferior worth than 3 panzer 4s it's more than 3 times better fuel eficency wise to not build Panthers Irl.
Now do Japan with only the Ha-Go
Absolute banger. Ethiopia historical playthrough?
Thank you! Wait, historical so just hiding in London xD
Pretty much, that's why Luxembourg would be more fun huh?
@@Aldrahill hollow being moment:
how about cas only, and the only division u can make is 10-width infantry
Honestly if you played as Germany or USA you’d definitely win :D
@@Aldrahill maybe try japan or china
2 division world conquest
What, and copy Legitburger?!
Play Cold War the Iron Curtain as North Korea and only use historical Korean war division templates to win the Korean War
Oh dear god xD
Soviet play through with only inter-war tech
Definitely wanna do that!
Can you please do Historical Presets with Hungary?
Ohhhh that’s an interesting one - do you mean ww2 Hungary, or AH ww1?
@@Aldrahill i personaly think ww2 Hungary would be more intresting. But its your choice. Either way i would watch it.
@@Aldrahill If you decide to play ww2 Hungary then i recomend you play it with Extended Hungary mod. It's the most historical ww2 mod for Hungary. (In my opinion)
play germany with bob semple only
Poland TKS only
Can you do historical Chinese template
Definitely! It’s on the list for a future historical divisions video :)
Soo... why you didn't puppet Yugoslavia?
Because they would have flooded my lines with yugo troops, and I wanted tankettes only!
You should play with nothing else but the hearts of furries mod, there is no chsnges except for some pictures but i think its funny(and i totally dont use it regularly)
Nice
The tankette is only useful in huge waves when they make the enemy run out of ammo and then they surrender.
Now use only French tanks.
That colonial police event is stupidly worded. The option you didn't pick only automatically sets your African colonies to use colonial police. You don't actually get anything from saying no like you did. It just keeps the occupation laws unchanged.
… oh xD I changed it afterwards anyhow
China but only human wave tactics
INFANTRY ONLY I like it
What artillery? What anti air? You were supposed to use only tankettes!!😔
Oh god no support companies :( damn, good point :( sometimes I’m honestly just dumb my dude
Is this guy English or American and why does he keep switching accents?
English! Moved around a lot as a kid, now my accent is pure nonsense
Cant u just lose in ethiopia
But you get good stuff for winning!
can u use some other music
Don’t like my music? :)
@@Aldrahill its fine but u use it a lor
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