The Schlieffen Plan - And Why It Failed I THE GREAT WAR Special feat. AlternateHistoryHub

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  • What would have happened if the Schlieffen Plan had succeeded? Find out on AlternateHistoryHub: bit.ly/1VJ9T0U
    The Schlieffen Plan was the blueprint for Germany's army to avoid a two-front war with Russia and France. It was supposed to be the solution for a quick victory against arch enemy France by invading Belgium and the Netherlands to circumvent French defenses. Helmut von Moltke adapted the original plan by Alfred von Schlieffen and ultimately failed when the Germans were beaten at the Battle of the Marne. Indy explains the numerous reasons why the Schlieffen Plan was doomed to fail. "
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  • @AlternateHistoryHub
    @AlternateHistoryHub 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1397

    Fantastic video! This is one of my favorite channels on TH-cam so it was great working with you!
    -Cody

    • @3percentxen58
      @3percentxen58 8 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      I'm actually happy you guys both did a crossover episode since I was already subscribed to both of you guys

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      likewise! happy and proud it worked out.

    • @kristenkong9263
      @kristenkong9263 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +3percentXen Same!!

    • @maniam5460
      @maniam5460 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +The Great War It worked coz I was only subscribed to Alternate History Hub and now to u now

    • @bradlemmond
      @bradlemmond 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cody: I've been a fan of your channels for a while now. Thank you for them and the recommendation to this one.
      Indy: I'm a new fan of your channel.
      I really like getting multiple views on the same topic from different perspectives/podcasts/etc.

  • @fobusas
    @fobusas 8 ปีที่แล้ว +815

    That's how it should be done. Similarly sized channels should cross promote, especially if they are of different spins of the same general theme. It's a mistake to go alone.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      +Vaidas Šukauskas And it's a lot of fun as well!

    • @toddcrane4318
      @toddcrane4318 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +The Great War nice video you should read 13 rules of war by Alexander Bevin he wrote a nice section over the plan and how it could have succeeded also in my opinion the plan was good but the problem was that it asked for quick advances which would only possible with the advent of tanks and planes which is how France fell in 1940

    • @fobusas
      @fobusas 8 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      ***** It's only a video a week. You need to watch only ~60 videos to catch up :)
      I noticed this channel after the initial promos in the press. I think it was around a month or two old. But didnt have time to catch up at the time. So did it over the summer in a couple of days. Better than any documentary i've ever seen on WW1. And fingers crossed they gonna do the same for WW2 :)

    • @mr.ramfan8100
      @mr.ramfan8100 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Only if you lose, ace...

    • @HamboThomp
      @HamboThomp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was really akward when we watched this video on class

  • @Vitorruy1
    @Vitorruy1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +397

    This is better than TV

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  7 ปีที่แล้ว +117

      Welcome to the show.

    • @Vitorruy1
      @Vitorruy1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Thank you

    • @badturtleman
      @badturtleman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      IM BLACK

    • @haharhyan
      @haharhyan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i want to kill a small child

    • @HassanRahees
      @HassanRahees 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@badturtleman 🥷🏿

  • @driftsolstice3685
    @driftsolstice3685 7 ปีที่แล้ว +337

    It's not entirely fair to blame Schlieffen. Schlieffen had four plans. Moltke chose the one designed for a war where France fought alone, without Russia, so the full German army could be sent West. The real question is - why did Moltke choose this plan for a war already declared against a mobilising Russia? Why not the one Schlieffen drew up specially for a two-front war: encircling each enemy in turn with counter-offensives inside German territory, as they then did at Tannenberg?

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  7 ปีที่แล้ว +186

      The plan Moltke choose was the only one that was so far fleshed out that it was actually possible to put it into action. Another problem was that the German railway infrastructure was not sufficient in the East to quickly move troops in and out.

    • @driftsolstice3685
      @driftsolstice3685 7 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      That didn't bother Hindenberg and Ludendorff. Your episode on the Battle of Tannenberg shows them doing exactly what Schlieffen had originally recommended.
      I did say that Schlieffen recommended counter-offensives _inside_ German territory.
      (Aufsmarsch II West / Aufsmarsch I Ost)

    • @matheusmelo6022
      @matheusmelo6022 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Schlieffen was counting on Russia taking that 6 weeks to mobilize its army to attack Germany. But as you probably now, the Russian army was already modernizing by the 1910's and before the War had started in 1914 it was already mobilizing and closing in the Prussian border. That's what made the German generals and aristocrats panick and led to the start of the war.
      Moltke thought that he could steamroll through France and reach Paris in a few weeks, then ending the war with France rapidly. But he couldn't achieve this because he had diverted many of his troops to the East and there weren't enough divisions for the plan to work, anyways.
      My guess is that Moltke went with this plan because that's what favoured Germany the most: Germany couldn't stand a long war of attrition on 2 fronts, so Moltke wanted to make a push into France while defending from the weaker Russian army to the East. He didn't think Belgium would put much of a fight.

    • @driftsolstice3685
      @driftsolstice3685 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      That still doesn't explain why they thought an offensive into France would do better than a counter-offensive inside Germany. Schlieffen seemed to understand the defensive power of modern war, why couldn't they?

    • @orpheonkatakrosmortarchoft4332
      @orpheonkatakrosmortarchoft4332 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@driftsolstice3685 It's not that Schlieffen understood the defensive nature of the war to come, it's more of a coincidence between old military principles and what actually happened. Schlieffen's plan against both France and Russia was a "worst case" scenario of Germany fighting both France and Russia at their full strength. In such case going on the offensive isn't an option he dismisses, it is just impossible so a defensive strategy is all what Germany can do. But between the drawing of this plan and Moltke doing his thing Russia was defeated by Japan and France struggled against the Rifan rebellion in Morocco. This reassured the German high command in its feeling of superiority and so Moltke thought that if it acted quickly enough the "superior" german army could win the war this way.

  • @Slayer_Jesse
    @Slayer_Jesse 8 ปีที่แล้ว +512

    So essentially, it was a blitzkreig plan without the means to actually make it work.

    • @neurofiedyamato8763
      @neurofiedyamato8763 8 ปีที่แล้ว +113

      blitzkrieg was never an official doctrine. Germany had always been about a mobile war. The fact that aircrafts, tanks and wireless radio became effective and available in large numbers in WW2 simply allowed Germany to go back to mobile warfare again.
      Germany been all about mobile warfare since the nation's creation.

    • @HamboThomp
      @HamboThomp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @commonsense unlikely the germans proably wouldnt have taken too much land

    • @Arcaryon
      @Arcaryon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@HamboThomp Aye. Probably just a bit of France and then reparations. Eastern Europe however would look much diffrent.

    • @yggdrasil9039
      @yggdrasil9039 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @commonsense No, there was never any plan for Germany to take over the entire universe if they won WW1.

    • @yggdrasil9039
      @yggdrasil9039 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @commonsense You're already speaking german anyway. English is a germanic language.

  • @Rickinsf
    @Rickinsf 8 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Schlieffen was a focused guy.
    I've read that, during a morning ride with some other officers, he passed through a valley with a stream meandering through it.
    A young officer remarked on how lovely the view was.
    Schlieffen responded, "It is a minor obstacle."

  • @ashirvadmohanty5331
    @ashirvadmohanty5331 5 ปีที่แล้ว +608

    Is it me, or does the pre-WW1 Germany look cooler on the map.

    • @theholyhay1555
      @theholyhay1555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Ashirvad Mohanty T H I C C

    • @jeeveey
      @jeeveey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It’s true.

    • @jonathanccast
      @jonathanccast 4 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      It's part of the overall effort to keep Germany from being a threat - make them look less cool to weaken them spiritually.

    • @riograndedosulball248
      @riograndedosulball248 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Look Hans, it's *B E A U L T I F U L*

    • @helpiamstuckonthismanshead3385
      @helpiamstuckonthismanshead3385 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      👍

  • @MrOwnerandPwner
    @MrOwnerandPwner 8 ปีที่แล้ว +917

    AlternateHistoryHub? I came.

    • @raseiniuprokuroras198
      @raseiniuprokuroras198 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +MrOwnerandPwner MOAP

    • @TheGamingDutchmenMapping
      @TheGamingDutchmenMapping 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hi MOAP.

    • @raseiniuprokuroras198
      @raseiniuprokuroras198 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ***** i'm not really a mapper... i only watch mapping

    • @MistaChris
      @MistaChris 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi MOAP

    • @kasp3094
      @kasp3094 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +MrOwnerandPwner I really enjoy it, when two good youtubers come together to promote eachothers content (as long as it's relevant as in this case.)

  • @wonderbouy
    @wonderbouy 8 ปีที่แล้ว +219

    And here I was thinking that The Schlieffen Plan was all about Germany invading France at night time while everyone was Schlieffen!

    • @jayveeamolato9429
      @jayveeamolato9429 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hahhaha sleepin you mean haha

    • @badturtleman
      @badturtleman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      OMG same bruv, so relatable!!!!!!

    • @haharhyan
      @haharhyan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      my wife once a divorce

    • @hidof9598
      @hidof9598 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lol lol

  • @lucius1976
    @lucius1976 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    6:08 Moltke the elder was spinning in his grave by that statement.

  • @thathorsethatdrivesasherma7003
    @thathorsethatdrivesasherma7003 8 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    It's really impressive to see all the things that went wrong with the Schlieffen Plan, poor communications, stubbornness of high officials, and the like. It really shows just how far warfare has come since 1914.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Yeah and how much more mistakes it took them to learn there lessons afterwards.

    • @DavBlc7
      @DavBlc7 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep that's right but no problems in the second World war with the Germans having better communications and more planes, tanks and men. Similar plan but altered a bit by Hitler himself.

  • @Alpha1200
    @Alpha1200 8 ปีที่แล้ว +131

    This reminds me of the Roman legions vs. the phalanx. Adaptability will nearly always defeat inflexibility.

    • @TheAztecGamer123
      @TheAztecGamer123 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's true

    • @desi_jalepeno1935
      @desi_jalepeno1935 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      100%

    • @kembowhite1903
      @kembowhite1903 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Popescu Rene tt

    • @Edax_Royeaux
      @Edax_Royeaux 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Except for WWI, where the inflexible defensive lines of the trenches of WWI bleed the Germans to death. You can draw a parallel between how sturdy the defensive of a phalanx was to a trench line.

  • @lilpenpusher
    @lilpenpusher 6 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    "When the war began over a year ago..."
    Uh...
    Yeah, you could say that.

  • @cedkira
    @cedkira 8 ปีที่แล้ว +175

    I'm here from Cody. liked the vid. here's my sub.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      +cedkira Thanks a lot and welcome!

    • @anon9579
      @anon9579 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +The Great War I'm here from Cody too

    • @thespyfromtf2133
      @thespyfromtf2133 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +cedkira me too

    • @gunstock3
      @gunstock3 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same, I'm also from Cody, channels that discuss WW1 in detail are few and far between

    • @RHICfct
      @RHICfct 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +cedkira me 2

  • @Generictwat1
    @Generictwat1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I believe Helmuth Von Moltke said it best back in the 1800s: "no plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first contact with the main hostile force".

    • @Rickinsf
      @Rickinsf 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +Generictwat1 I heard an Isreali officer say that "...a battle plan is little more than a line of departure..."

    • @RegulatedMilitia
      @RegulatedMilitia 8 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      +Generictwat1 "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face" -mike tyson

    • @Generictwat1
      @Generictwat1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ***** It's all good... I grabbed the quote from here:
      en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Helmuth_von_Moltke_the_Elder

    • @troy9477
      @troy9477 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Generictwat1 No doubt he was paraphrasing von Clausewitz

    • @indy_go_blue6048
      @indy_go_blue6048 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@troy9477 U. S. Grant said basically the same thing. Eisenhower said it but then quickly added, but no action succeeds without a plan.

  • @manictiger
    @manictiger 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I swear, I've learned more in just a few dozen hours of TH-cam than I have from 12 years of school, plus college classes.

  • @juniperbug8699
    @juniperbug8699 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I was reading the Guns of August, and the apparently the general who was in charge of rail ways took the statement that it was impossible to redeploy on the east, he wrote an entire book of how he could have gotten 3 of the 5 armies within a reasonable amount of time, plus supplies

  • @Brian0wns
    @Brian0wns 7 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    I find it amazing (or horrifying) progress on the part of mankind that between the start of WW1 - and the explosion of the first atomic bomb - was 31 years.

    • @oberstjazzen6037
      @oberstjazzen6037 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The LOLbertarian Humanity is frightening..

    • @mitchelll7846
      @mitchelll7846 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      66 years between first powered flight and reaching the moon

    • @connormac4401
      @connormac4401 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      two bloody and most devastating wars, all in 31 years too. The fact is unsettling

    • @shirleymental4189
      @shirleymental4189 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      12 years between 'Rock around the Clock' and Sargent Pepper.

    • @bogdangabrielonete3467
      @bogdangabrielonete3467 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      What can I say? We love killing each other, apparently. Welcome to Modern Warfare

  • @joey8062
    @joey8062 8 ปีที่แล้ว +171

    what was the Kaiser's response to Hitler's conquest of France in 1940?

    • @eddienom
      @eddienom 8 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      +joey8062 He was thrilled that the German Army was able to subdue their archenemy.

    • @jreiland07
      @jreiland07 8 ปีที่แล้ว +217

      "Congratulations, you have just won using MY troops"

    • @kuribayashi84
      @kuribayashi84 8 ปีที่แล้ว +117

      +joey8062 He personally sent Hitler a telegram: "My Fuhrer, I congratulate you and hope that under your marvellous leadership the German monarchy will be restored completely."
      Hitler was reportedly exasperated and bemused by this. "What an idiot!" he said to Linge, his valet.

    • @liubei7276
      @liubei7276 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      kuribayashi84 Das ist auch Schwachsinn.

    • @kuribayashi84
      @kuribayashi84 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I just assumed that the wikipedia Article about him is correct. It cites 'The Second World War' by Antony Beevor as source.

  • @lborges1313
    @lborges1313 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Loved the graffiti on the train carts!!!

  • @emiruslu4564
    @emiruslu4564 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    i feel great when youtubers protect each others .good to see this friendship :)

  • @cherudium
    @cherudium 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love how every channel I watch is involved with this one or watches this one.
    Forgotten weapons, c&rsenal, alternate history hub. its nice to see open conversation and enthusiasm between fellow enthusiasts.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +cherudium We are a big family of history channels and have to stick together.

  • @clintjensen1678
    @clintjensen1678 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I just started watching these today and I can't get enough, thank you guys. These are great

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Welcome to the Family! :)

  • @guel95ftw
    @guel95ftw 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you cody for showing me this guy, I can already tell I'm going to love his videos if they are anything like this one.

  • @Crick1952
    @Crick1952 8 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I came from Cody.
    I like what I see
    *subbed*

  • @oliversherman2414
    @oliversherman2414 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's amazing how much the Great War and Alternate History Hub channels have progressed and improved over the years. I hope they continue to get better and better

    • @pedrollex3308
      @pedrollex3308 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are a lackwit

  • @Stirl2
    @Stirl2 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm so glad that I found this channel, and goddamn, it needs a lot more attention!
    Keep up the amazing work!

  • @hardeho
    @hardeho 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome vid, awesome channel. Between your channel, and listening to all of the Hardcore history episodes on WW1, I feel like some kind of WW1 expert.

  • @MrSegrist
    @MrSegrist 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Haha! Another great episode. I dug the humorous cross-promotional bit. Seeing Indy transmogrified into an AlternateHistoryHub avatar was well worth the watch. Keep up the good work!

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +MrSegrist Yeah, we always love how his hair is modelled as a comic character. Same with his avatar on Extra Credits.

  • @LeandroCM
    @LeandroCM 8 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Barbara Tuchman's awesome book "guns of august" made me an impression that the plan almost succeeded and could have succeeded even with the unpredicted belgian resistance. It seems the major flaw came from one of the generals on the right flank.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      +Leandro CM Well, we're not so sure. Reaching Paris would have been one thing. Encircling it and defeating the French forces would have been another.

    • @michaels5917
      @michaels5917 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      remember if they are besieged, the french can't retreat as usual. LOL jk

    • @michaels5917
      @michaels5917 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I know, but I felt the need to say some stereotypical stuff about the French. And also they do have a talent for retreating. Cough cough Dunkirk

    • @wierdalien1
      @wierdalien1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That was the british

    • @michaels5917
      @michaels5917 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, the remaining French retreated there as well. By then, the rest were dead or had..... surrendered

  • @GlosurDarloc
    @GlosurDarloc 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just found this channel, it's great! Keep doing what you're doing!

  • @angelkennethtolentino8261
    @angelkennethtolentino8261 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for existing. I love history lessons like these. Thank you alternate history hub for introducing.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Angel Kenneth Tolentino Thanks for watching! And welcome to the family.

  • @danteuss88
    @danteuss88 7 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    AlternateHistoryHub brought me here! great channel!

  • @maniam5460
    @maniam5460 8 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    3:15 I just came from ur channel

    • @gunstock3
      @gunstock3 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same

    • @victorrattesdf
      @victorrattesdf 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same

    • @Hanekin
      @Hanekin 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Tekkogs Steve Opposite, I started to watch alternative hub.

    • @dams6829
      @dams6829 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +KingLitauen Es ar tu lietuvietis?

  • @el1tefire252
    @el1tefire252 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yea I’m happy u guys collaborated because now I watch this channel and I love it

  • @GroovinMagicK
    @GroovinMagicK 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've following your channel after the ama session in reddit and what a suprise, the content in this channel exceeds any other source i could find about ww1 in internet. Helps a lot, Thx keep the great work!

  • @fhsreelfilms
    @fhsreelfilms 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    + The Great War. Great video, as always. I am harassing my friends and family to watch this channel all the time. You are doing such important work. I think one thing worth mentioning is that the Schlieffen plan vastly underestimated the courage and tenacity of the French and British soldiers. I can't remember if this is in Gilbert or in Anthony Clayton's book, but one of the German generals said that the fact that French soldiers who had marched for hundreds of kilometers could, at a moments notice, pick up their rifles and keep fighting was something the German planners never accounted for. The Schlieffen plan's rigidity was a dastardly thing - indeed, the Germans used it to justify attacking France in the first place rather than placing hope in a mediated solution. It created a vicious circle.

    • @fhsreelfilms
      @fhsreelfilms 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      + The Great War I found the quote, from General Kluck: "the reason that transcends all others was the extraordinary and peculiar aptitude of the French soldier to recover quickly. [...] That men will let themselves be killed where they stand, that is well-known and counted on in every plan of battle. But that men who have retreated for ten days, sleeping on the ground and half dead with fatigue, should be able to take up their rifles and attack when the bugle sounds, is a thing upon which we never counted. It was a possibility not studied in our war academy."

  • @Oscuros
    @Oscuros 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    02:32, not only was Schlieffen not CoS anymore, he was also dead (1913) by the time war broke out.
    I do appreciate you pronouncing Schlieffen properly, since even some of my professors on the UK used to get it wrong as the Schlye-fen plan, which is a really common mistake to make.

  • @caitlinparkerfilms
    @caitlinparkerfilms 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    this was explained concisely, and was very clear to understand, thank you.

  • @zulubeatz1
    @zulubeatz1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    To ease the lockdown blues ive decided to watch this whole series and im glad i did. Its a fascinating series that covers just about every part of this huge conflict in detail.

  • @Oshnook
    @Oshnook 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love this, could you talk more about the different offensive, in the special episodes?

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +jonathan Walworth Thanks a lot! We will consider it and see what we can do!

  • @iramoser6136
    @iramoser6136 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wish history had been taught like this when I was in HS. (*Forty years* ago...)
    I have to laugh at myself; I'm 58, hated history in school, and now I study it constantly.
    Then again, watching this is a lot more fun than having to memorize a bunch of dry names and dates.
    Subbed. Keep up the great work! I hope this channel helps students who are in the same position now, as I was back then.

  • @theluumukiisseli3844
    @theluumukiisseli3844 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The first Great War video I ever watched, found you through AlternateHistoryHub

  • @lestershinglesnack9210
    @lestershinglesnack9210 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love seeing you collab with AlternateHistoryHub and HistoryBuffs

  • @farathor_
    @farathor_ 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    A very interesting video, good job!

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Captain Farathor Thanks a lot!

    • @farathor_
      @farathor_ 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +The Great War If I could do a suggestion, I would say you guys should do a video about grenades in the war, since the modern handgrenades were introduced in the war. Keep up the good work!

    • @kolyayerg1118
      @kolyayerg1118 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Indy are you German born or not?

    • @farathor_
      @farathor_ 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      kolya yerg He mentioned that he was from Texas in an out of the trenches

    • @kolyayerg1118
      @kolyayerg1118 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks i didnt see tthat

  • @THE1970ROBOT
    @THE1970ROBOT 8 ปีที่แล้ว +213

    we need more history channels, come on don't we have enough gaming channels?
    (sorry for my english)

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      +I Am A Soft Bear We concur! Do you know our sister Channel th-cam.com/users/itshistory yet?

    • @zaidmadi318
      @zaidmadi318 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      What's wrong with your English??

    • @SoggyBacco
      @SoggyBacco 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Jarle Patrick Nielsen Your english is perfectly fine, dont worry about it

    • @klein2042
      @klein2042 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Your English was fine

  • @mehmetalipasa
    @mehmetalipasa 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video mate.
    That’s TV quality. Love it. Content is also extremely interesting

  • @ditty5380
    @ditty5380 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awsome subscribed look forward to supporting liking and sharing your videos! Amazing work!

  • @MakeMeThinkAgain
    @MakeMeThinkAgain 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Schlieffen-Moltke plan is a better term since Moltke ignored much of Schlieffen's advice. As with Operation Barbarossa, it's not that they thought it would work so much as that it was the best they could think of and waiting would only make things worse. An interesting thing about both World Wars (and also the Pacific theater of the 2nd WW) is that the forces starting the wars didn't really think they could win.

  • @Pratchettgaiman
    @Pratchettgaiman 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Going "eh, we'll figure out how to deal with Russia later" would seem to always be a mistake

  • @explosivoification
    @explosivoification 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Came from AlternateHistoryHub.
    Great video, great channel, subbed. Keep it up.

  • @bowenc24
    @bowenc24 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm so glad you did this cross over I would never have found this great channel! You my friend just got a new subscriber!

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      welcome to the family!

  • @cesarcortez8141
    @cesarcortez8141 7 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    THESE VIDEOS ARE LIKE CRACK TO ME THANK YOU!!!

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      the good kind of crack?

    • @po69tato
      @po69tato 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The Great War is there a bad kind?

    • @nicholasdigaetano
      @nicholasdigaetano 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      He means you are addictive

  • @ThomasHaberkorn
    @ThomasHaberkorn 8 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    5:45 pretty sure that's the wrong Kaiser (should be Wilhelm, not Franz Joseph) ?

    • @Rickinsf
      @Rickinsf 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +ThomasHaberkorn I wondered about that.

    • @JafuetTheSame
      @JafuetTheSame 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ***** and? youre saying that its one man responsibility or what? hardly my friend

    • @JafuetTheSame
      @JafuetTheSame 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ***** in fact he didnt want the war. he was too conservative and war is a big step. he didnt even like military excercises (militärmanöver) becouse soldiers were muddy and messing around - he liked polished uniforms and everything in order- that was his attitude. the people around him were pushing him to war.

    • @JafuetTheSame
      @JafuetTheSame 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ***** i believe there was so much hatred and ill-pride among people in europe in that time that his signature was just a triviality. franz josephs time was long gone a he was just observer.

    • @JafuetTheSame
      @JafuetTheSame 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** im not sympathetic. i just know thigs in life arent such simple...and i'm not austrian

  • @awilbroappears
    @awilbroappears 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It was a great idea to work with Cody. It made me subscribe this channel. Thanks a lot!

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Le Fransoos Thanks, we enjoyed it a lot. Welcome!

  • @lordpatience5772
    @lordpatience5772 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Super good stuff. I love it i cannot get enough. I fall asleep every night listening to this channel. I was always looking for good stuff on WW1. I cannot believe it took me until last month to find this channel. I am glad i did.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Lord Razoun Thanks a lot, we're glad you did too!

  • @SwordlordRoy
    @SwordlordRoy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    *Germany:* How could the Shlieffen Plan fail?!?! We gamed it out in Kriegspiel hundreds of times! It was perfect!!
    *Historians:* Are you sure you played it out without bias?
    *Germany:* Oh...

    • @rohiths9099
      @rohiths9099 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Perfectly well said.

  • @danielapaza5994
    @danielapaza5994 7 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I came from Alternate History Hub XD

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Welcome to the show.

  • @shittyG1
    @shittyG1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your channel!

  • @saturninedays
    @saturninedays 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are so engaging and entertaining! Subscribed!

  • @rogertodd2810
    @rogertodd2810 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Who else came here from alternate history hub

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Quite a few people actually.

  • @keithouderkirk7493
    @keithouderkirk7493 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the plan "never really had a chance" and yet the way it was explained in the regular episode about the battle of the Marne it makes it look like a little better communication by the German generals and sticking to the plan may have actually won that battle and the war.

    • @leonpaelinck
      @leonpaelinck ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I believe it could have worked if the germans took more risks:
      1) Do not send troops to the east (with hindsight we know it was not neccessary as ludendorfs won tannenberg before the reinforcements arrived)
      2) Do not stop the momentom, who knows Francy might not even exploit the gap

  • @trewill7190
    @trewill7190 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video man keep up the good work

  • @AvengedKyle
    @AvengedKyle 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video.

  • @jwkennington
    @jwkennington 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great video! Just one point, though. At 5:44 you say The Kaiser and show a video of Franz Josef. I am sure you know the error.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      +John Kennington Hi John, indeed, that is indeed the wrong Kaiser. Thanks for the heads up.

  • @lucius1976
    @lucius1976 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    5:44. Talking about the German Kaiser while showing Kaiser Franz Joseph II of Austria-Hungary is confusing.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +lucius1976 Sorry about that.

  • @1138thz
    @1138thz 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've said it before and I'll say it again Great stuff Mr Nidel.

  • @alexmackelly3222
    @alexmackelly3222 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Came here from Alternate History, I love the Great War and I am amazed I never found your channel before!

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Alex MacKelly Welcome to the family!

  • @TheBelrick
    @TheBelrick 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Schileffen Plan was not a failure. It was a partial failure. The distinction is important because having Germany spend the war fighting in the richest parts of France was a major success and as such needs to be recognized as such.
    ps: love the channel.

  • @ISawABear
    @ISawABear 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dem Animations tho...

  • @ryantheroman4331
    @ryantheroman4331 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Vid!

  • @oliversherman2414
    @oliversherman2414 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your channel keep up the great stuff!

  • @foxymetroid
    @foxymetroid 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It failed because it was too rigid. It needed everything to go absolutely perfectly, which is always a bad idea in war.
    Good plans allow for adaptability. Good plans take into account your side's inability to read the other side's minds. Good plans don't fall apart the moment the enemy decides to veer from your plan in any way.

  • @thekillers1stfan
    @thekillers1stfan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Virgin Prussian: Who there's a lot of Ruskies coming at us. Bavaria you need to go out West to defend Germany.
    The Chad Bavarian: Nah

  • @GregoleX2
    @GregoleX2 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I had no idea this channel existed - I am liking what I'm seeing!

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +GregoleX2 Welcome to the family.

  • @andyberkemeijer9620
    @andyberkemeijer9620 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great work Indy. Guess our German friends hadn't learned that in most any engagement the first casualty is the battle plan

  • @hlynnkeith9334
    @hlynnkeith9334 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Von Moltke (the younger) was not as wise as his illustrious uncle. He could have taken a page from U S Grant's book: if it can walk, it does. Only supplies and ammo move by rail.

    • @stuka80
      @stuka80 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +h lynn keith right about that!

    • @ohauss
      @ohauss 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +h lynn keith
      Entirely different world of warfare. Germany had almost as many soldiers KILLED in WWI than the Union could field during the entire civil war. The army sizes were not remotely comparable.
      And that's not even talking about the differences in artillery.

    • @ohauss
      @ohauss 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ***** "The SIZE of the Army has nothing to do with +h lynn keith 's comment - he wasn't comparing them, or even their weaponry: he was making the statement that:Basic Military Strategy doesn't change."
      Basic military strategy includes the need to organize, feed and equip armies. Larger armies require substantially more complex logistics.
      " But instead, they were locked onto this idea that they HAD to have more troops and they HAD to have trains to move them -- instead of creating a plan that would work, NOW, based on their AVAILABLE manpower and technology: Troops walk."
      You really have no idea, do you?
      They were acting not on some fancy idea but on experience, the experience of the Franco-Prussian war in which the mobility of German forces and the ability to quickly mobilize large numbers and bring them to the frontline was a key decisive factor.
      Troops can walk, but they do so at an immensely slower pace, which requires significantly more supplies and gives the enemy more time to react and prepare.
      "Speed and adaptability and the ability to MOVE and Turn and get behind the Enemy is usually what wins a war, no matter how much more advanced or how much bigger their artillery or their technological advantage is - the Vietnam War and the current mess in the Middle East are perfect examples of our U.S. Generals gross inability to adapt and get out of outdated War Tactics ideologies."
      You're not going to get behind enemy lines just by walking around within firing range. And the inability of Pershing to accept that even though the other nations had learned it the hard way was a prime factor contributing to US losses in WWI. And it's funny that you talk about speed but suggest troops should walk.
      But then, you seem to be pretty confused in general, since otherwise you wouldn't make such a comment about Vietnam, as if the tactics used in Vietnam had been outdated when in fact the use of helicopters to insert troops was a pretty new idea. It just didn't work.
      And your notion that strategy and tactics don't have to adapt to the locale are, well, unique... Comparing Vietnam with the fields of France suggests you've never been to Europe.
      "Movement is movement, whether you have 100,000 troops or 1,000,000. If trains or planes can't get them where they need to be, you throw 50 pounds on their back and MARCH them, 500 miles if necessary, to reach the target that needs to be gained."
      Your attitude is nothing but mass murder on soldiers. It's precisely your antiintellectual attitude which makes you oblivious to what ACTUALLY works and what doesn't because you restrict yourself to anecdotes of those events which fit your ideas instead of indeed studying what does work and what doesn't. You might learrn something, like the fact that
      If you march those soldiers 500 miles and they arrive half-starved and exhausted, they will be unlikely to take the position. And even if they are, they will be butchered on the way back. The plains of Eastern Europe and Russia have seen your ideas put into practice many times.
      "The movement Tactics of Grant or Sherman are still just as useful today as they were a hundred and fifty years ago."
      I don't think that an army that joined the war when everyone else was bled white and then suffered massive casualties pushing the losing side over because they managed to make shooting their green troops easy as shooting fish in a barrel is characterized by tactical or strategic genious.

  • @poketube9245
    @poketube9245 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    want to do my modern history test for me tomorrow?

  • @Jawmax
    @Jawmax 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I watched you both before and it was amazing to see you both talking about the same thing

  • @jimmygentile1088
    @jimmygentile1088 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this stuff. Isnt history great, I never get tired of this.

  • @cheydinal5401
    @cheydinal5401 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Indy Neidell ist eigentlich viel cooler als Christoph Krachten

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Das finden einige, ist ja Geschmackssache am Ende.

  • @Goodroosters
    @Goodroosters 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    heh... siege of liege

  • @Digiornoflocka
    @Digiornoflocka 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this is such a great idea for a show and its produced so perfectly

  • @bungalowbanana
    @bungalowbanana 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dont you just love it when 2 of your favourite youtubers colab

  • @Kehmet14
    @Kehmet14 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It is pronounced LEE' AI SZ. Not LIEGE like beige.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Kehmet14 [ljɛʒ]

    • @Kehmet14
      @Kehmet14 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes, I am also aware of copy/paste and Wikipedia

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Kehmet14 So, how is it LEEAISZ then?

    • @Kehmet14
      @Kehmet14 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      A free and independent person; specifically, a lord paramount; a sovereign , would be pronounced the way you say it. The city is NOT

    • @rhysepoos
      @rhysepoos 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +The Great War [ljɛʒ] should be pronounced L' YAIZH, but since 'LY' is difficult to pronounce, it becomes LEE-AIZH. Similar to the way 'IO' in Italian turns from YO to EE' OH

  • @Haaklong
    @Haaklong 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Germans wanted to blitz through Europe in a fast war, despite the fact that this is impossible in Europe, European cities are simply too strong to capture that fast and Germany could never march on the French, thankfully after the war everyone was sick of even the idea of war which is why World War I is called "the war to end all wars" and this lead to all Europeans uniting under a common goal for peace... And eventually invading Britain.

    • @AFT_05G
      @AFT_05G 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haaklong Nguyệt Germany could never march the French ? Hahahahahahaahahahahah Germany is much stronger than France in 1914.They could destroy all of France in 1vs1 war.

  • @JaesadaSrisuk
    @JaesadaSrisuk 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Such an illuminating video. On a side note: where did you purchase your desk? I love it! Is it constructed out of an antique steamer trunk?

  • @okrajoe
    @okrajoe 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting breakdown.

  • @cobbler9113
    @cobbler9113 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Shouldn't this video be titled "Why the Schlieffen Plan could not possibly work"?

    • @DavBlc7
      @DavBlc7 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not possibly work all right in WW1 but It works in WW2 with Hitler using the similar plan except with more tanks and planes and more soldiers than in the last war.
      He altered the plan to go through the southern Belgian forest and trap the British in north east France and it seemed to work except that many British and some French & Belgians managed to escape from Dunkirk over the English Channel to England thanks to hundreds of small & medium civilian boats.

  • @eruno_
    @eruno_ 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bavarians not doing anything useful? typical.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You should have seen our faces when we stumbled across this fact.

  • @StrangerOman
    @StrangerOman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't really comment on old videos, but I just wanna say that AlternateHistory could be interesting, but straight up facts of real history is more interesting. I stumble upon AlternateHistory channel a few times and everytime I'm not into it. What you guys did and still doing here is much more interesting, entertaining and educational. I'm still going through the war from day one, hope to catch up.

  • @buckyryan2804
    @buckyryan2804 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    love your video

  • @davidvergara607
    @davidvergara607 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the show I have subscribed

  • @thomaspaine3394
    @thomaspaine3394 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It makes my heart to see my two favorite channels working together. XD

  • @Fribourg-bb3sn
    @Fribourg-bb3sn 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    cool stuff with sub titles Indy ty

  • @almeade1
    @almeade1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    very good injoying your vids very much

  • @polstierna4251
    @polstierna4251 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It would be so cool if you guys, at some point would do a special on the more unknown, experimental and sometimes rejected weapons and equipment that was developed during the war. Like the T-Gewehr, body armor, sniper masks, and Dr. Pollacks protective helmets!

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Emil Maxén That's a pretty cool idea, thanks! We'll keep it in mind, and see if we can fit that in somewhere.

  • @arkking815
    @arkking815 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome channel

  • @PaulSoderlind-jv2kh
    @PaulSoderlind-jv2kh 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well done

  • @heathcliffslawyer4073
    @heathcliffslawyer4073 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is excellent!