Australian Anglican Church splits after 'going too far to the Left'
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- Sky News host Andrew Bolt says something dramatic has happened in the Anglican Church - a faith ten per cent of Australians believe in.
“A lot of Anglicans have thought their church has gone too far to the Left too - not just here but overseas,” he said.
“And some last week broke away and set up their own, called the Diocese of the Southern Cross.”
Mr Bolt said the sect swore in former Anglican Archbishop of Sydney Glenn Davies as their first bishop.
He discussed the issue with Anglican priest and Institute for Spiritual Awareness Director Father Mark Durie.
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I once was familiar with a Missouri Synod Lutheran Church. About half of the people got tired of the traditional teachings and forced the rest of the church to change to a more liberal synod. The conservative half left. About two years later, the liberal half that stayed, wanted more liberal changes. About half of those people left, and for the liberals
who stayed, they wanted still more liberal changes. More people left. Soon there was no one left to keep the lights on. The church "woke" itself into closing. I saw this very same thing happen in a Presbyterian church too.
God is in the business of closing down churches too - when they no longer reflect the purity of his word, not just starting them. A good reference to this are the letters in Revelation to the major churches at the time , particularly where he says to one that he will take out the candle stick. After that , if the church survives in any form, it is no longer representational of the Christian faith.
Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, based on what the Bible says?
What did Peter say below?
Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage?
Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
“baptize” KJV
Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Actually, this has occurred in congregations across the religious spectrum of the institutional assemblies. I know of several that used to be what were called 'evangelical' but they have found their way into abomination as well. The church in the end days will be religious expression rather than a redemption message. Jesus wondered when He returned, would He even find faith amongst what we call the church.
Satan at work
@@twiektwiek32 Yes, with willing accomplices in the children of men. They are making decisions based on their proclivities and they are every bit in the darkness they claim to preach against. God says and Jude writes: But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts. These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.
The U.K. has the same problem, with the arch bishop and bishops are so out of step with the majority of their congregations
jesus said "whoever does not gather with me scatters". we need to be in touch with Jesus and in so doing we are in the will of God. being "in touch" with people means nothing left undefined by biblical information. division comes from "the flesh" human sinful nature. The Spirit of god gives unity . "let us keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace"
It would not matter if they were 'in step' with the majority of the people, and the majority gave assent (which I think might be closer to the truth) they would STILL be out of step with, and therefore enemies of, God and Christ.
Not my Circus, not my monkeys.
Church is for retarded people, cry more.
As someone who has done work for churches and witnessed the behind the scenes workings, I have come to the conclusion that most of today's churches are nothing more than a business exploiting the faith of its congregation.
One should not confuse the church with faith in God. That's not to say that one shouldn't attend a church. But one should be highly cautious of a church that is becoming political.
And this is sad because it means the laymen are more aware of God's word than the religious leaders. So why have them?
Can't see how difficult it can be, either follow God, or follow man. Can't do both.
FACTS!
No man can serve two masters: for either he
will hate the one, and love the other; or else
he will hold to the one, and despise the other,
Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Matthew 6:24
Very true comment. Then there are those who say they follow God and then align themselves with a human political party. Then they try to justify it.
Didn't your G*d tell you never to judge? Huhhhhh looks like you're really but a xtian, huh?
The Anglican Church was only created because Henrey the 8th couldn't get a divorce. he wanted. Do you want to disagree?
This will happen in all denominations soon. They will have to decide whether to follow Christ or the world.
Not Christ he was the messenger and a lot of the Bible has been warped with political agendas since its inception.
Yep
The time draws nigh..
The Uniting Church Australia is one of the worst offenders. But it is a good way to identify apostate churches - all the apostates support same sex marriage, having women ministers/priests is another give away.
Amen
All mainstream churches have turned their backs on the word of God.
Which God is that? There are so many.
Jesus had meetings in homes & did away with traditional churches.
@@pixibelle3282 so explain why he appointed TWELVE apostles, which just happens to seem similar to TWELVE tribes....and gave them authority!!!???
even to forgive sins: John 20
@@David_Beames the God being referred to by traditional Christian beliefs and scriptures. That's what we're talking about here - a Christian church split between those who believe in the Christian God and those who don't.
VC II destroyed the traditional Catholic church and the evangelical movement destroyed the mainline churches.
My father was an Anglican priest who was ostracised and pushed out of his ministry in the mid 80's for his conservative views and wanting to preach the bible as it was written!
Was so sad to watch as it really broke him as a man but didn't break his faith and has now gone to god for eternal life!
Your dad was a good man may he RIP
He should have switched to a nasty Fundy church then! The whole point of Anglicanism is to be the freethinking folks' no-doctrine church, of William Temple, David Jenkins, Richard Holloway.
Yes it is so sad when old ideas die out.i myself was heart broken when cannibalism became frowned on,then slavery was abolished and no we are not supposed to persecute and devalue minorities..what a barstard..after all women and queers and non believers were religions favourite targets and still are..good riddance to these type of religious nuts..nise to hear he has passed away..sounds a real miserable piece of work
Big respect to your Dad
@@rebeccaredhead7144 yes I love old bigots too
I left the Anglican church years ago because they started "Blessing" same sex unions and promising to honour same sex marriage and even participated in several in my Parish. Our female vicar presided over a same sex marriage and I told her I could no longer respect her Biblical teaching or preaching. I also have a dim view of a female being a "priest". It is not Biblical. I packed up my music gear and handed in my resignation and went to another church that respects and follows The Bible, not the woke mob.
Wangaratta Anglican church has 2 'married' men as priests. There was an article in the local paper about how tolerant and accepting that union is. Pffft!
Can women be ordained to the priesthood? This is a question that provokes much debate in our modern world, but it is one to which the Church has always answered “No.” The basis for the Church’s teaching on ordination is found in the New Testament as well as in the writings of the Church Fathers.
While women could publicly pray and prophesy in church (1 Cor. 11:1-16), they could not teach or have authority over a man (1 Tim. 2:11-14), since these were two essential functions of the clergy. Nor could women publicly question or challenge the teaching of the clergy (1 Cor. 14:34-38).
@@richlopez5896 I agree. Our presiding priest was a man but had a newly ordained female priest as a resident.
We also had a female Bishop who was responsible for pushing lgbtq acceptance at the synod meeting. She gave a highly passionate and emotional speech which used all the societal buzz words but no Biblical foundation. At that point, I was halfway out the door.
No Brainier. Yes The bible is clear to the born again believer
That is the way to go…
Every time I see a “church” with a rainbow flag in front, I get a little sick. What’s next - “Satan welcome here.”
Ah cool! Celebrating Gods promise not to flood the world again! 😃
Er.....no, we're pro-LGBTQIABXYZ 🤨
; No, he is ALREADY there...
The rainbow flag used to have a Christian meaning
There's one near me that I went to once and they had a pride flag right beside the altar. Then I found out the parish priest is a homosexual. First and last time I went there.
I’m part of a conservative Anglican Church - if needs be we will leave the mad work crowd. We believe in the Bible, NOT progressive ideas
Wasn't the New Testament a progressive interpretation of the Old Testament? That's how it seems to me. You're entitled to your opinion I'm entitled to mine, right?
What part of the Bible do you believe? The incest, the child marriages or the genocide?
do you want to buy a laptop? it a really good one not progressive at all.
I have been waiting for this 😇😇
Agree. The progressive idea is very out of place for Christian setting, to the point of bordering to blasphemy
Jesus Christ didn't come to bring peace. If you truly follow Christ and speak the truth to the world you'll be persecuted. " If the world hates you, remember they hated Me first." Be in the world, not of it. Love is being twisted and bent into being something depraved.
🙏 Amen 🙏
Yes. Bless you Brother
That's right.
God does not compromise His Holiness, Justice, Majesty, or Word.
@@davidgraham2673 While these are all true since Christ's death Mercy is victorious every time. However this is not license to sin. If a homosexual asks for Mercy God will not give him permission to sin but freedom from it.
@@dmitriykinzhebulatov a very good comment
There is NO Fellowship between Darkness n Light & the PERVERTED Ones will Fall !!! 👊👊👊...🙏🙌🙏
@@mariemcintyre6403
"I agree, but what do faithful Christians do in the meantime?"
Find another church that believes what the Bible says.
@@mariemcintyre6403 You be ok Maria Trust in Jesus : ) 🙏🙌🙏
@@raymondo2469
"...you are one of the latter."
What gives you that idea? I see nothing in his comment to suggest that.
@@PJRayment : One of the Pot - Kettle /oxymoron cases, there I think, Phil.
@@repentorperish1405
"One of the Pot - Kettle /oxymoron cases, there I think, Phil."
Yes, I nearly said something along that line.
To quote a 14th century monk-----It's Better to fill Heaven than to fill Churches .
At least churches are real, and can be seen, not like any God or heaven.
@@briancomley8210 I respectfully disagree.
@Raymond Bastien Such a long winded reply about some book that has so many claims in it, but nothing at all about evidence. With 100s of Gods being praised, what makes yours so special that none of the others have?. l haven't heard of any good reason to believe that a God exists, let alone yours.
@@alsalthree Have you seen a God or heaven?.
@@briancomley8210 It's called Faith. If you have faith then I don't have to explain it. If you don't have faith then I can't explain it.
You Woke it, you broke it.
Im Catholic and I always say if it was a sin in the 12th century it’s still a sin today
Tell me what other "sin" is based on.true LOVE??? God is love not hate of others
Disecting corpses was a sin in the 12th Century. Do you reject all of modern medicine based on its emergence from the historically sinful practice of corpse disection, which is the source of all the anatomical knowledge that modern medicine is dependent on? Or are you a hypocrite who only follows the 12th Century definition of sin when it allows you to persecute the gays and other groups you don't like?
@@openminds8765 Read the Bible.
Cremation was a sin in the Catholic Church for the majority of the time and only has just become acceptable. Your logic is sooooo flawed and socially motivated
Lol..I rest my case don....that's so progressive..guess there's one born every minute aye!
Any church or person who refuses to stand on GODS WORD will give an account as we all shall.GOD SAID IT.i believe HIS WORD.
Hope you're ready to give up your wealth to the sick and poor
@@whatoh3407 Salvation in Christ, through having faith in him, is the emphasis of Christianity. Other things are secondary to that major mission. Not saying we are not to help the sick and poor for sure, but we are not really helping people if we do not keep the Gospel of Salvation central. The best way to get out of poverty in this life, is to gain the wisdom and help that God Himself gives to people who accept Christ and his word. Biblical commands and precepts save people from much folly in life, which will keep people from poverty, if they are followed. Most people go to churches for hand outs, but have no interest in being a part of the household of God and obeying Him. So your little remark is a mark of ignorance concerning the faith, but you are not alone in that, unfortunately, and that influences other people not to understand what true Christianity is.
@@gordoncrawley5826 lmao ass-backwards way is thinking. A good way to keep the poor in place. Poor people need money, they don't need faith. This is the real world and there's nothing after it. Your God never existed in my culture until you white colonizers murdered my ancestors and stole our land. Fuck off, your GOD is the lord of lies, because HE IS THE LIE.
@@whatoh3407 what does Christianity have to do with giving up wealth to the sick and poor? Christianity has its charitable side. But always within ration and reason. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum from communism - always has been.
@@ourladyofguadalupebotanica6732 where in the Bible does it talk about ration and reason? You seem to love and defend money more than the word of Christ. Let me help you out:
1 John 3:17 But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Luke 21:1-4 Jesus looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the offering box, and he saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins. And he said, “Truly, I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”
Imagine if pro-football players made up their own rules, ignoring the play book, as these denominations have done with the teaching of the Christian
play Book 👉 the Bible?
Yeah bring back slavery just as the bible teaches.
That's the point. The difference is the football players don't get shamed and called bigoted for sticking what isn't ours to chnage.
@@Angrybogan The Anglican churches in Africa are totally correct. The Bible is the Christian manual and it clearly states that marriage is between a man and a woman. Same sex relations are condemned in both the Old and New testaments. The Anglican church in the West and in Australia is focusing on the agenda of man rather than the word of God.
@@Angrybogan U know what good managers in football do to players who dont follow their tactics they get rid of them. Dont u think God is tired of being mocked also an being told by people that claim to be Christian but dont want to stick with scripture but rather want to be conformed to be like the world how full of wrath do u think God will get much more than a manager when he finally says ive had enough.
The difference between a football playbook and the bible is authority outside of the playbook. In the Protestant doctrine of bible-alone authority, there are no umpires or referees to decide who’s right or wrong. But the true Church that our Lord built has the umpire authority and the playbook. The playbook is the bible or Sacred Scripture and the Catechism. The umpire is the Church Magisterium, her teaching authority. The Protestant view is not practical. Why? Can the bible say who’s right? Is it the progressive or the conservative Anglicans. But the Holy Catholic Church can. It claims authority to interpret and teach the gospel that no Protestants dare to claim.
I came to Australia 20 years ago and found the Anglican church more interested in money and being all-inclusive and was against traditional conservative Christians, I have been to many Anglican churches here in Australia and have found many to be not welcoming and it is not just the Anglican church.
I have been waiting for this 😇😇
Then try a non traditional fellowship church.
Same deal in the Catholic church.I recently reminded some fellow Catholics the church' teachings on Sodomy and now they no longer talk to me.
@@Westyrulz Blessed are you when men insult you, persecute you & speak all manner of evil things about you for my name's sake' (Matthew 5:11 - Jesus speaking)
How can you be all inclusive and not welcoming at the same time. Isn't love thy neighbour unconditional? That's what they mean by "left leaning" isn't it?
When you legalize sin and force it into the church folks have to make a decision... Leave the church or rewrite the bible.
They've rewritten the bible to suit their narratives thousands of times already. The only one I trust for accuracy is the 1611 KJV.
Are you a Yank? You're spelling legalise like a Yank.
I live in Philippines & we spell legalize with a Z. Just leave racial bias out of the debate.
I have been waiting for this 😇😇
@@David_Beames How dare you .. spelling is a soacial construct each person can change it at any time just like man can have babies because the left changed the defintion of what a man is and what marriage mean's .. until now 😇😇
God blesses the church that goes by the authority of the Holy Scriptures.
If they were truely following they wouldn't be worshiping on the 1st day of the week
@@rodgerjohnson297 - _That's_ what you choose to focus on??
@@rodgerjohnson297 Everyday belongs to the Lord. We are not under the OT law.
Mark 2:28
Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
Colossians 2:16
Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath.
@@rodgerjohnson297 You really think you did something. Since you clearly aren’t a Christian, here’s situation, the old covenant that God gave to Abraham was fulfilled by Jesus, and a new covenant was formed. Instead of circumcision, there is baptism, instead of sabbath, there is the Lords day, instead of the Passover, there is the Eucharist. God left us with his church and traditions for us to be in full communion with him.
@@amsbestunderstanding1646, Well Jesus said the laws of the OT still apply and have not been changed. If the OT laws do not apply as you say then the 10 commandments are invalid.
Have they really "broken away", or have they stayed true to the word of God???
Both, apparently.
As we said when Anglicans in the USA broke from ECUSA, we kept the faith, they kept the buildings.
What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT`S A LONG TIME!!
THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION of your life: Where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you REPENT from your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and you will be assured of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a NEW heart and NEW desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow can be too late!!!
"Jesus answered him, I am the WAY, and the TRUTH, and the LIFE: no man cometh unto the Father, BUT THROUGH ME." (John 14:6)
They've broken away. The church has been infiltrated by non Christians who seek to destroy it.
Same here for the United Methodist Church and many of us are leaving it because we will NOT accept what is happening with wokeness. And the UMC is making it quite difficult although they outwardly say otherwise. They’re penalizing us in many ways and deadline messages are not being sent in a timely manner and the cutoff dates are designed for them to keep assets or us pay penalties. Our Bishop is gay. She’s making a mockery of God’s word and it is so sad. My great grandparents and grandparents and father would turn over in their graves if they knew how depraved the doctrine they are actually asking us to accept is and it isn’t simply a matter of homosexuality. It’s much darker than that.
Maybe you are in the wrong religion. Wasn't the New Testament a progressive interpretation of the Old Testament? That's how it seems to me.
Karen Oliveto is the homosexual Bishop. I am in the Virginia Conference and I will move to the Global Methodist Church when it comes. I think John Wesley is spinning too.
Women Bishops? Maybe that was your first error🙄
Yes, the Old and New Testaments condemn homosexual behavior. It's better to stick with the Bible and do what is pleasing to the Father, than to blend in with the world.
@@David_Beames here we go , the the old Jesus was a leftist/ progressive / socialist .. you know we can see you , your as subtle as a used car hack / sales man 🤣🤣
About time!, the church has become a political organisation and forgotten their first love.
no building is holy on this earth. the "church" was always political and never about God. All of these plastic catholic churches are the same.
The evangelical Anglicans split sometime back
@@Prognosis__ Not all evangelical congregations.
@@raymondo2469 true .. those that should be the most devout and most close to the religion are abusing the most vurnable and precious of our species, chidleren. instead of doing some self reflection and burn themselves alive as they did with those 'witches" in the past, they blame and threathen the childeren and continue to cover it up or denying it.. how evil can you be ?
Or maybe “not political enough”? The Church isn’t leading from the front and holding politicians to account?
Hold to the authority of the Bible, well imagine that, following what the actual Word of God says in the Bible over those trying to manipulate and twist God's Word to suit their own agenda. Good for this Anglican group who left the majority
My full respect for those will to stand for what they beleive is right !!!
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
@Cultural Marxism is a myth These Anglicans are false prophets .
@Cultural Marxism is a myth It is my main gig . I live it everyday .
@Cultural Marxism is a myth Seen him before. He quotes the bible and verse when it is appropriate. The word of God is active to even dividing bone from marrow. BTE Cultural Marxism is a myth? I don't think so.
Good on you Bob. Try some Muslim sites too. Give them some good bible verses - they really need them.
@Baron Bones Ha that made me laugh 👍The comment about dingoes I mean.
That happened to the Presbyterian Church in America. The heads of the church got so out of whack with the parishioners that we split, Anyone is welcome in our church but they will not be told that doing sinful things that is not sinful.
It’s helpful to go to a churches website to see if they are PCUSA or PCA, which is the conservative offshoot. I happily found a PCA church near me with a heavy Asian (Korean) population of which I am not. Breath of fresh air.
It’s the same in the United Methodist Church as well. The hierarchy is actively out to destroy conservative strongholds.
PCA and PCUSA are two different animals. PCUSA has gone full on progressive. While I consider PCA somewhat liberal, it's conservative when held up against PCUSA which rejected the gospel a century ago.
I stopped going to Anglican church services years ago BECAUSE the Reverends could never help themselves from espousing Leftist ideology. All I'd wanted to hear was how the Bible might give me strength and guide me.
The Anglican Church was only created because Henrey the 8th couldn't get a divorce. he wanted. Do you want to disagree?
@@David_Beames That was the reason the Anglican Church separated from Rome, but one could argue that there has been a distinct church in England since before Alfred the Great.
@@jothambate6400 Interesting, could you provide me with some links to information on that? I'm not being sarcastic. I really would be interested. I've read a lot about the reformation but which started in 1517 and the Anglican Church starting in 1534 but more than 600 years before that during Alfred the Great reign I don't know how that relates.
Cheers.
@@David_Beames The reformation was going on.
A bit more to things than just a divorce.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 Which reformation? The English Reformation to the Anglican church which was instigated by Henry the 8th or the European Reformation to the Protestant church which was instigated by Martin Luther. Bonus respect if you know which one happened first.
My denomination lost me after 40 years. I now go to another. (it hurts) Keith Green made an album called "No Compromise". Compromising is a deal breaker.
Compromising is how you make a deal mate. Jez :)
We badly need men of the ilke of the late Keith Green. He didn't hesitate to call out the compromising, lukewarm churches of the day. He lives on through his music.
@@LibbySlaughter101 That was a scary thing that Jesus said when he spoke about the "lukewarm".
@@tomijmcd It was brother, I pray the Lord finds me working when He comes. Maranatha!
@@David_Beames That's for politics- not right & wrong.
Stand up for truth and righteousness
anglicanism is the only true way to go then ?
@@mekavio8231 Nope that would be Catholicism.
@@kafon6368 hmmm... many christians claim that those catholics are the delusional, making and creating rules as they like or see fit, sometimes in contradiction with theb bible...
Stand your ground...stay with the liturgical traditions of the Church and the bible!Lift high the Cross!
Join the Holy Orthodox Church. You wont get all that woke bollocks. Orthodoxy is based af.
Matthew 19:4 "Jesus answered, "Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one'?
As soon as they hung a " hate has no home here" sign,I left.
It’s a blanket statement that says “Anyone who disagrees with our new beliefs is one who is full of hate.” Trying to converse with them would be a waste of time so better to walk away.
Well done people. Better to meet in a park than to compromise the Gospel. God is weeding out the goats from the sheep for the end times. Jesus is coming back for his church and not the apostate one.
You don't like goats? What have they ever done to you? Maybe you are more of a sheep :)
Nonsensical gibberish
@@pwillis1589 Time will tell.
We will all find out. Maybe?
@@tomijmcd No time will not tell. We already know beyond reasonable doubt there in no supernatural entities. We don’t even have any reasonable evidence of an alleged Jesus character.
@@pwillis1589 There is certainly historical evidence for the life of Jesus Christ & also for the persecution & martyrdom of the early Christ followers (Christians)
Everyone in Sodom said Lot was on the wrong side of history.
Dunno about that as it's not Biblical. Were you there?
@@gunzel5126 Biblically a mob of "Woke" Gay men surrounded Lot's house demanding to rape his male houseguests, since refusal would be Homophobic. Since civilizations based on corruption and decadence become weak and their men become useless (whether by act of God or just the next tougher cis-hetero "barbarian" tribe to come down the road, Goths, Huns, Mongols, Communist Chinese) such people tend to get their clocks cleaned, and it doesn't take long. So buckle up. The next 30 years is going to be a bumpy ride.
True, Thomas. The same evil spirit of sodom or rather sodomy, wants to make a come-back today.
If you read the story of Sodom properly, through a historical lense rather than a homophobic one, you'll find that God actually took offence with people in the city because they violated the ancient code of hospitality, not because of the homosexual means by which they did so. The concept of hospitality and the sacrosanctity of the guest-host relationship, known as ξενία _(xenía)_ among the Greeks, is ubiquitous in the ancient world, and its plainly apparent on reading the story of Sodom through a Classical lense that it's this lack of respect for divinely ordained hospitality that provoked God's cataclysmic wrath against the city.
@@michaelheliotis5279 Errr, ummm, NO. Unless I also misread Leviticus 20:13: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death." Although Ezekiel points out sodomy was not the only crime of Sodom. "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."
Sounds just like San Francisco to me.
Makes me smile how these people think they have changed the church - no, you left the church, the real church just becomes even easier to see
How can they change something that died hundreds of years ago ?
However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?” The Anglican tradition long ago forsook the true Gospel and chose the wide path that leads to destruction.
Not happening. The Book of Fiction is definitely in the realm of madeitupaline.
@@grantleyhughes You have been warned schnuckiputzi, but when you learn of the truth, for you it will be eternally too late.
@@grantleyhughes ....yes, you are just a mere man, no power to fulfill your words and make them truth for us all.
@@singmysong1167 You have the right to believe whatever you like. Without proof, we get to mock those beliefs. That's called "logic".
@@formerparatrooper I'm not going to let fiction rule my life. It's just a bad magic trick.
The Lord said that He would separate the wheat from the chaff. This is part of that process.
Read your bible. The separation is "at" the end
@@DW_Kiwi I am well aware of what the Bible says, hence *part*.
Could be the biggest division of the Church of England since Methodism during the Wesleyan/Whitefield revivals! Funnily enough, the ecclesiastical politics is similar too (although far more liberal than the mid 1700's!)
In the 1700's it was not Liberal vs Conservatives, it was Biblical vs Man made doctrine and legality. Yeshua\Jesus never gave ownership of HIS Church to a Religious Organization, Monarchy or Government, or to anyone, to manipulate & twist HIS Word into man made doctrines which were used to dictate fear, or power over the people. However, in recent times, the same freedoms that were fought for and HIS Word are being twisted and manipulated by entities who are using it to justify behavior which are condemned by GOD. The Leaders of this movement need to remember the Words of Our Lord when He warned... that it would be better for a man(or woman) to be thrown into the sea with a mill stone tied to his neck, than to face the wrath of GOD for leading even one of His children astray.
@@watchr740
"In the 1700's it was not Liberal vs Conservatives, it was Biblical vs Man made doctrine and legality."
Sorry, what's the difference there?
"The Leaders of this movement need to remember the Words of Our Lord ..."
Which movement? Ostensibly the break-away movement is breaking away because they _do_ understand that.
@@PJRayment I'm not speaking about the ones who are breaking away from the Anglican Church.
I am in the process of becoming Catholic. The Anglican Church has become humanist and abandoned the teachings of Christ.
welcome home :-)
Welcome back to the Church Jesus established
Welcome home 🏡
Left the Darwin Anglican Church years ago. Implicit support of SSM, “refugees” Woke environmentalism and ridicule of Donald Trump was too much. Then there were the elbow bumps and Covid hysterics!
Sounds like they were enlightened.
@@Longtack55 Sounds like you're not.
Ah, the arrogant left and its assumption that it's opinions are objective fact.
Elbow bumps just pathetic. Just a seasonal flu.
. Amazing how a 'dead' organization can still be operating.
@@lachlanbrown409 Yep. Elbow bumps all around. We then met up at a cafe and there were hugs and kisses. Covid’s in the church but not in cafes apparently!
I'm not religious at all and I support the break away. I'm conservative and I don't support this new world order.
I'm not religious either. I'm a christian though. Its relationship that counts
@@DW_Kiwi Yes, you are religious. So following the bible is not religious?? You care conflating religiousness with rituals and the rest of it.
Sometimes the statement "I am not religious" means that that person is a Christian (or fill in the blank) who doesn't attend/belong to an organized church (or fill in the blank). Some people believe that to be unnecessary to express and live their faith.
Good for them, God bless them for honoring the Lord and His Word. We are to be the salt and light in this dying world; we’re not here to follow the world, we’re here to lead people to Christ, to salvation. This isn’t a popularity contest, this is about eternity, and a true shepherd seeks to save his flock, not lead them off the cliff
As an Anglican I've started attending the local Catholic church
I thought that pope Francis holds similar leftist ideas.
You might want to take a look at the Pope then. Unless that sort of thing is what you're looking for.
The Church welcomes you home!
@@charlesmendeley9823 He doesn't, the media keep saying that. However, some of his appointees are suspect. Catholic Catechism is incredibly difficult to change. Even if Catholicism does become compromised like a lot of Christian denominations to liberalism. Catholics still have the traditionalist, Society of Saint Pius X.
@@barryb90 Grow a spine. Francis is nothing but a cryptojew communist chomo who’s in league with China and Latin American drug cartels. Nobody in Christendom with a functioning brain sees him or Rome as God’s representative since tye bible CLEARLY states anyone who believes in god and his word is his representative on earth.
It has to happen. You either come out individually , or the establishment splits and you end up with 1 or more groups either aligned with the gospel, or against it.
Come back to the one true faith, the Catholic Church.
. The church of pagan Rome is SATAN'S biggest deceit ; a masterful one.
Fair enough and about time 👍🏻
People will go back to the basics “breaking bread” house churches ⛪️
Act 2:46
With one accord they continued to meet daily in the temple courts and to break bread from house to house, sharing their meals with gladness and sincerity of heart,
It is reinvigorating indeed as Andrew said so. The beginning of the reformation of the Anglican movement. It is sad to see the Anglican Church head down the slippery slope of contradicting the Bible and even the millenia old teaching of the church, but let’s hope and pray for renewal through this.
Well,its been my belief for a while now that our problems arent political,environmental
Racial or social.our problems are spiritual,mankind has become proud and boastful thinking we can solve our problems when in all reality God and His word and the compliance of it is the answer,and sadly most our populations including many denominations and churches have fallen to the wayside of disobedience
Well said Jimmy!
@@juliablom3461 thank you
Great comment. At the heart of both Wokism and it's parent Marxism is a war against the Bible and it's moral teachings. They are loudly and aggressively rejecting God and his message to humanity. It is "America's" response to Jonathan Chan's warning message from God, the signs of which began with 9/11. The Bible says that truth is absolute and defined by God. The Woke say no, truth is my truth so I can believe what ever I want, which of course is a path to delusion. Deny the facts of our existence, at your peril.
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A 'sacrament' of the Anglican church says that same sex marrage is not valid.
Anyone not going by this is not an Anglican.
Where is that statement written in the Bible?
@@robinharris3425 Nor the 'trinity' - what your point exactly?
“The only time you hear the word “Jesus” in the Anglican Church is when the janitor falls down the stairs.” Haha - That joke is 30 years old!
'What a classic !!! Yet so TRUE.
@@geraldhagen2989 Not true and not funny.
@@janetsmiley6778 funny and true, but really sad
Saw this coming. There has been a struggle between conservatives and liberals in the Anglican Church for awhile. Just like has been between conservatives and liberals in larger western society which makes me wonder how much longer until we see a split in larger society, a much needed split.
God created a man and a woman to continue to populate the earth!PERIOD!!Thank you for this report!Blessings from Canada Shalom!
Good to see some positive things happening in the church. May The LORD be exalted throughout the whole earth!
Good on you. I hope all goes well. I left the Anglicans some years ago for these reasons and others. So understand. Blessings to you all
God Bless Them For Walking Away.
The Bible instructs us explicitly when we see such abominations, to walk away. We have and many are.
It is better to walk away than fall into sin. ❤ 🙏
EVERYTHING WOKE TURNS TO SHIT!
-MAGA KING DJ TRMP.
Yeah mate, you should start a Trump Church! Jim Jones all the way :)
Ah yes Trump - that paragon of Christian values. Not.
@A B True! The Climate Change religion is just a modern version of the worship of Mother Earth.
That was evident in the recent COP26 conference in Glasgow where there was a large earth globe hung from the roof in the center of the main hall, and one of the final scenes was of a large mechanical puppet (very well made, I must admit) looking up and holding her upstreached right hand towards the globe in worship.
@@David_Beames
"Yeah mate, you should start a Trump Church! Jim Jones all the way :)"
It is pure denigration to compare Trump to Jones.
@@Knappa22
"Ah yes Trump - that paragon of Christian values. Not."
Well, not in his past, but he wasn't too bad as president.
About time. I left the woke Anglicans a few years ago and I have never felt more spiritually happy!
Take the next logical step and walk away from religion entirely. There's no proof of anything. It's all faith, and all the faith in the world adds up to exactly zero.
I was brought up an Anglican (Church of England then) and I have watched it almost disintegrate over the decades. Many knock the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement, but at least they are enthusiastic about their worship. It has its problems too, but unlike the Anglican church, it is not lukewarm.
"I would thou were either cold or hot ,because thou art neither cold nor hot I shall spue(sic) thee out of my mouth" Even as an atheist I still love the King James Version of the Bible.
Here in America, I don't believe any of the major media outlets would cover this. Maybe Fox News but I'm not sure. Stay strong Sky News Australia!
The Anglican Church was only created because Henrey the 8th couldn't get a divorce. he wanted. Do you want to disagree?
@@David_Beames The Anglican Church and all other Churches that split from the larger Churches are a travesty and are one of the biggest reasons why Christianity was eroded beyond redemption. Christians must unite or die out with a whimper. There is no other religion as fractured as modern Christianity. We must reclaim the vision of a United Church, God willing.
@@the_kimchi_kommandant2603 So which is the right Christian church?
Glad to see this split happen. Stay with God’s law and not man’s law who wish to change the fundamental meanings in the Bible according to societies trends.
For God so loved the World he gave his only begotten Son so that whoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life
So does a homosexual go to heaven transvestite go to heaven because they believe in God if they believe in God they would repent turn away from their sins. so does abortionist so do adulterers so thieves, murderers go to heaven only if they turn away from sin.
@@elimason7954 Both
@@elimason7954 see if you'd understand God is Spirit he has no physical form Jesus Christ came in a physical form of God because he was full of the spirit of God which makes him the son of man and God at the same time. He was the word in the beginning the word was God. Became flesh and dwelt among men.
@@elimason7954 That is the mystery of the Trinity.
@@theendishere4228 If Jesus is God, how could he die. Isn't God immortal?
It's not so much veering to the left or right, but holding to the truth of God's word and not compromising an inch.
What god fool.
The Bible is pretty clear about most things in life. If a church is making up its own rules along the way then it should not be called a Church of the God of Isreal.
Yeah they must of just gotten sick of having to slaughter all those homosexuals.
I’m Anglican and my church is split off and is the ACNA and we believe in the absolute authority of God as outlined in the Bible.
The splitting up of denominations is going on in every country and all over the world.
God is winnowing the wheat from the chaff. Do not worry about this, just keep reading and obeying the Bible.
The human mind is easily deceived. Satan is not stupid he uses sex lust, and greed to move people away from God.
Who cares about money and gaudy buildings when you have the Great Creator God.
The Bible predicted a great falling away and this is probably the beginning.
I say, pray for these lost souls.
Too far Right and you become a hypocrite. Too far Left and you disobey the Bible. It doesn't work when you complicate religion with politics and social "justice." Just sing praise to your Creator in thanks. Collect money for the poor. Be active in the community - visit the elderly and help people who can't leave their home.
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I am all for CENTRISM we need both sides to keep each other in “check” for extremism!
THE most sensible comment I have read! 😊👍 i totality agree with you Craft Paint.
Pure religion undefiled...taking care of the widow, orphange and the stranger and remain unspotted from the world. Check out the Book of James
@@dreamarcher4018 Centrism and extremism hahahahaha
Best comment so far...shalom.
A church cannot start to be woke because it is scared of losing the crowd.
The word of God is what should matter and they need to people to believe in the teachings.
It's all about the money.
The Pope recently appointed a LBGT Cardinal for the USA, seemingly in a rebuke to conservative American bishops. The question ' Is the Pope Catholic ' ? Now has to be answered in the negative.
Wow, I didn't know this! I'm going to look it up! This should be a game-changer for many Catholics as well...which I'm not, but just saying.
What is the name of this Cardinal?
When the church of pagan Rome does it, it is ok.
The Bible doesn't change. Rewriting the Bible to meet your or current society trends is simply writing your own beliefs, which is not the Bible. You hold to the Bible, not just bits and pieces of it, throwing out the rest and then filling in anything that supports your desires. Such a book of your faith is not the Bible.
That’s exactly what the Protestant reformation did lol
The Anglican church has been splitting continuously since Henry VIII. My former Anglican priest, his Deacon, and several of his parishioners are in the process of converting to Orthodoxy. My husband and I had don't that years ago. It's nice to see them come home.
Yeah incredible how the religion of a lost king ends up becoming lost themselves.
“Coming home” would be going back to Catholicism but with how bad the current Pope is I can see Orthodoxy being more appealing
Accepting the authority of the Bible - end of. This is how it should be.
Yahoo, when do I get my slaves.
Plus ; OBEYING it ; no easy matter; for me, anyway.
@@geraldhagen2989 Must be difficult for the royalty.
Wow! That's guts and obedience to take note of
I knew my days at my lifelong Parrish were done. When I overheard the priest telling a gay man God doesn't make mistakes. The church is now in the business of giving people comfort in their sins!
Good luck to Conservative Anglicans.. from a Conservative RC. Don't worry, under Mad Frankie aka pope Frankie... we RCs are going down a similar road. 🙏✝️
Thanks for your honesty about RC. Did you know that, about three years ago Mary ( the RC version of her) was ( artificially) elevated ABOVE God ; God HAS to obey her. According to them, God is no longer God almighty ; 'Mary' is supreme ruler. Massive blasphemy. Read about it yourself and be SHOCKED,. Shalom Pep.
@@geraldhagen2989 Well, it's the truth that sets you free 👍
Following the word of God is the only way you can be a true Christian. You don't get to change the teachings of Jesus and the Ten Commandments.
I dumped the Anglican church when it introduced and accepted groomers as ministers
The same is happening within the Lutheran Church… it is clear that the main Lutheran denomination in the US, the ELCA, has lost the plot or is on the verge of doing so. This certainly puts a different light on the sudden turnover among the pastoral staff at my church.
I can relate to this. Even though I became a Christian in the Anglican Church, I could not stay with it forever because of the way the Scriptures were treated with such disdain in more ways than one. Christianity in fact, was treated as a joke for the most part and I am speaking from first hand experience. Only a minority of Anglicans actually meant business about the Scriptures and the Christian Faith.
You are all welcome to the Catholic Church :) it will be great to have more conservatives here
For all its issues the Catholic church has endured for 2 millenia and stands strong today. Come home brothers and sisters. Our doors are open.
All of Australia has gone to the far left. It is why you can say good bye to tourism and start practicing your Mandarin! Shame
The Anglican Church was only created because Henrey the 8th couldn't get a divorce. he wanted. Do you want to disagree?
@@David_Beames LMAO
; A foolish generalization .
@@geraldhagen2989 You can't even spell generalisation in English. LMFAO
Maybe you are one of those Yanks who think the English language is actually American. 🤣🤣🤣
Murcia F'yeah :)
@@geraldhagen2989 How so?If you are not Australian or never been there,,,then you have no clue or you a Loony Dem!
We have a Lutheran church in my city in Canada that flies the pride flag. They encourage divorce no matter the circumstances. They don't follow christ and they're parking lot is filled. It's scary.
Our church,Episopal, in USA…. We left the diocese because of the homosexual element…our rector was against hiring homosexuals …..
Im jesus, and i forgive, maybe you should to? And leave the judgement to me.
But let's forget about all the little boys homosexually assaulted in churches and their related institutions.
Anyway, everybody know that the Anglican Church is not the God's Church founded by Pedro...
Chesterton anglican or Newman protestant, they wrote a lot about this and finally both confirmed, that the Pedro's Church is the catholic.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of a wise man leans to the right. The heart of a fool leans to the left.
Nothing like ignorance in quoting biblical text thinking it says what you want it to say when it fact it doesn’t mean that at all. Ecclesiastes 9:13 and on to 10:20 is about wisdom and foolishness. Different translations and wording mean the intent of that quote is not left and right it is about sensible thoughts leading you to do right and foolish thoughts leading you to do wrong. Go read Ecclesiastes 10:13
@@pwillis1589 Actually if you stop for a second it is an appropriate use of scripture. The Right represents conservative thinking and the Left as we have well and truly seen over the last few years is indeed about foolish thoughts.
@@voxac30withstrat Yes, you can apply 'right' and 'left' there in that way, but it's also true the Ecclesiastes was not using the modern political understanding of those terms.
A quote from a woke bible translation. Jesus is at God's "right" hand
Maybe you are just joking...
Great interview
You don’t split you cast the non believers out and shun them.
No man or government has no right to define marriage which God ordained in the beginning of creation..
KJV Matthew 19
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
TH-cam Babylon is alive and well by David Asscherick. The real reason who's behold this gay marriage and gender confusion
It takes courage and faith to distance oneself from all the evil that is being looked upon and promoted as good by many in all religious denominations. With the exception of a few, why are so many Shepherds remaining silent to speak out against abortion, same-sex marriages, the practice of homosexuality, etc? The reason the world is in the mess that it is in, is owing to the fact that the Church is sick, sick, sick and in need of redemption, and this, sadly, will occur through chastisements sent by God, which are happening in the world today, for those who have eyes to see. We are living in the End Times, fore-told by St Paul and Revelation.
Don’t be anti-gay? I still have to hear a secular peer-reviewed case for being against same sex-marriage.
How many homosexuals have you put to death?
@@pwillis1589 It is the unnatural sexual act that I put to death, not the person.
@@day1678 What does that even mean. That is just meaningless drivel. Does your bible call for the execution of homosexuals or not. Answer carefully because I have the references ready to go.
I was raised Anglican, and my hometown (that thank God I don't live in anymore) decided they wanted to allow Muslims in their church...to worship Allah...
Of course the Anglicans were very woke, and within a few days, the Muslims had completely taken over, the Christians were nowhere to be found, and the church became a mosque.
Christians badly need to grow a backbone, or be prepared to live under Sharia.
The Church is not the building, its the Congregation.....The Lord will not be mocked
In the US, we call it the Episcopal church. There used to be high church, and low church. As you can guess high church wasmuch more observant. Low church was very relaxed, rather more a social group. Well,the decision was made to smash them together, and congregations started splitting off. Oh, well.
God threw lusifer and his followers out of Heaven , for been liberal . If God won't put up with liberal ideas so don't real Christians have to put up with it . The split is a good thing. It shows real Christians faithfulness and respect to God.
I would like to see him come down from his pedestal and strike all us pagans down but i wont hold breathe just yet.
Marriage is
One Man
One Woman
Becoming One Flesh for One Lifetime
Evil and disgusting !!!!! God will deal with them for going against God and his word... Revelation !!!!
I can understand people wanting to leave the" woke' values churches have bowed down to. I understood hypocrisy at the very early age of about 7. What I was hearing from the ministers mouth wasn't what I observed from the congregation outside the church. I am still a spiritual person, I just rely on the things that enlighten me.
Same-sex marriage is not a marriage. The notion that marriage can be genderless or gender-free is nonsense. Marriage is the union of two cosmic essences: the masculine and the feminine. Courage to all the Anglicans who are fighting this. Love from a Hindu. (Homosexuals should be free to live their lives, but stop butting into our cultures and traditions.)
You’re a disgusting bigot
Forget that,wait until they start blessing marriage between humans and animals
Or humans and robots
@@xamapperconservativemayfie3701 you’re an idiot
This is clearly needed.
Anglicans were never anything other than left. They can never go too far. They will always be the same group.
That church began to decay soon after the Wesley's died.