Now a video about how the first commandment is not to worship other gods and how that implies there's other gods and if the jews were once polytheistic
I suppose the text of the first commandment implies a henotheistic belief system by the text's author(s). Acknowledgement of a pantheon, yet only one god (the god of Israel) deserves worship.
@@garrysmith1029 He's got quite a few videos that discuss that, actually. Henotheism is the term generally used... There are multiple other gods, but you can/must/should only worship *ours*. Dan usually uses the favorite football team analogy. In his book, based on his dissertation, he discusses the progression of types of theism (polytheism to henotheism to monotheism) and how it relates to idols and the presencing of divinity.
@@н.джед.т henotheism is more the idea that one deity is above all the others but that doesn't necessarily prevent other deities' cults (a little like in some expressions of Stoicism with Zeus as Nous); monolatry is the choice to worship only one deity among many... in both cases we have a polytheistic view because deities are still many though cultual preferences are different. Monotheism is the further and latest step in the Bible, with the idea that only one deity is real and true.
Satan aka winter doesn't really fight Heaven aka summer season of crop production and harvest. Satan relies upon Heaven to feed him during the Sabbath aka period when earth rests from its labor of crop production. This is the five months in Revelation 9.5. The"head" of Satan is the scorpion aka Scorpio constellation. At the passover from spring to summer, Satan (winter) is kicked out of Heaven (summer). Heaven is the seven months aka signs of the Ram through the Scales. Satan is the five months aka signs of Scorpio thru Pisces.
@@stephenspackman5573 sure. that's what δαίμων means. And it's common to reinterpret foreign gods as somehow part of your cosmology. Still feels especially nasty in the case of Abrahamic faiths where the explicit claim is that these foreign gods are evil and their artifacts/temples must be destroyed.
@@stephenspackman5573Yeah, I'd you think Christians simply mean divine being when they say "demon" you're either confused, wllfully ignorant or lying because bffr.
Religious supremacy seems to play a key role. "These cultures and communities that have existed alongside us and predate us have their gods, but their gods are simply malevolent spirits because ours is TOTALLY real" Christians who think other gods are demons, probably.
@@stephenspackman5573with second temple Judaism seemingly being pretty influenced by Zoroastrian dualism and by Greek thought, it makes sense that they eventually downgraded other regional gods to be malevolent spirits. Demon comes from the Greek word Daemon, and I’ve read that to the Greeks, Daemons were minor gods and/or spirits.
It's become more obvious to me over time as I've been exposed to more critical analysis how much of the early parts of the bible are about the move to monotheism and away from polytheism.
This is why Rome had so many problems with Judaea. The imperial faith was based on syncretism-the idea that all gods from all religions exist together, and many were the same under different names. It’s easy to join an empire where they say “We also worship Thor, we just call him Hercules.” But the Jews didn’t fit that paradigm, because there were no parallel gods to fit together. The Greeks and Romans _tried_ to identify Yahweh with Zeus and Jupiter, but it did not end well. Therefore, Judaea was always a province in religious and social turmoil, because none of the normal methods worked. However, it eventually went the other way with the spread of Christianity and Catholic saints. It’s easier to accept a new faith if you can turn The Morrigan into St. Brigid and still keep most of the stories.
In a similar vein, it seems like when it comes to handing out powerful magical artifacts to random dudes, the God of the Old Testament was about as responsible as Aqua from _Konosuba._ 😂
Dan I'm glad you are doing this work. Maybe you have your reasons based on social media trends, but as someone fairly unplugged from social media, please consider more obviously punching up, some of the stitches have been of really young content creators... I'd like better to see you answer the likes of Lane Craig, John Lennox, or popular mega church pastors.
What's always struck me as odd about this view is that even if we assume these pantheons of lesser gods or spirits do exist, there's not really any good reason to regard them as malevolent or label them "demons" or evil spirits. Even if worship of them is mistaken, why assume they're malicious? What's to say they're not like Tolkien's Valar?
I always forget which one was super strong and killed a lion with his bare hands and ripped gates off a city wall and carried them to a hill and never would have been defeated except he was tricked by a woman. I remember a deity came down from the sky in the guise of a man and impregnated a mortal woman, but was that the same one associated with the pillars? husband's confusion justified.
That was Samson. It’s all in the hair. He was a Nazarite. Not to be confused with Nazarene. Both killed lions but Samson ate and shared honey out of the rotting carcass. Despite that being taboo god apparently wasn’t that upset about it. Maybe he liked men with long hair in those days and changed his mind later.
See, I remember hearing about this idea as a teen, and thinking, "if true, then my only recourse to claim Jesus is NOT a demon is to dogmatically assert it, which is an option open to all others as well."
This is super interesting! One of the very last messages I listened to at my church a few years ago was them saying that demons would come down and stand behind the statues of other's gods and recieve the worship that was being given to that other god. Couldnt find that in the bible. Also they talked a lot about the spirit of Baal whom if you read the story of Elijah and the phophets of Baal you get the real impression that Baal doesnt exist or is powerless but is somehow controling everything in our nation now and also partially the reason why genocide is OK
I don't remember the Biblical references but, if you have read Lewis, you certainly can recall the argument that the deeds and worship that are good are allocated to God even if you are crediting them to Evil and the evil that one does is credited to Evil despite any claims that attribute it to God. I believe it comes up in both The Last Battle and A Horse And His Boy during discussions of Tash and Aslan. Can't recall the nonfiction references but this sounds like some weird misrepresentation of the underlying argument.
I don't necessarily think it's a stretch that every god in every religion could exist. Given how even the Judeo-Christian god is an amalgamation of main gods amongst the Hebrews, Canaanites, and other early tribes, one could logically conclude due to the cross over in many other religions and myths that there has to be some commonality there. I think it's egotistical and foolish to believe that there is only one true religion. The question to me has always been which parts of which religions are correct.
The answer is none. None of them have anything correct. These are stories people made up to explain the world around them. They are science from back when the scientific method consisted of just-so stories which accepted unfounded premises like "all action requires an agent". Now we have better methods, science has moved on. So we have this new thing called "religion" which largely hangs around because we still like stories and because our stupid monkey brains prioritize maintaining a sense of belonging with the group over silly things like facts or falsifiability.
I simply don't believe in gods anymore because there's no verifiable evidence. It helps me accept all beliefs as valid human constructs without any confusion.
So this content creator (and apparently other Christians) believe that fallen angels went down to the nations of the Earth and convinced and thereby deceived the peoples in their respective regions that they, the fallen angels, were God, and that's how those religions across the globe started. The creator believes that . . . but it doesn't occur to him (and the other Christians who accept the theory) that Jesus could have been one of those fallen angels? Or whichever name of God was the progenitor of the Abrahamic faiths? Why is it that “the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist”? Surely the greatest trick the Devil could ever pull would be convincing the faithful that he was God.
@@lawrencecollins7398 I'm not entirely sure that the original commenter believes this interpretation... The use of the term "conspiracy theory" implies they regard it as untrue, plus his tone on the word Christian implied to me that he was making a distinction. But irregardless, that's not the only interpretation out there. A better version, one with better historical/textual support, is that the other gods *were* in fact the gods of other nations, and that all the different gods were explicitly referenced in early versions of the Old Testament... That while the God(s) of Israel, YHWH (and/or El) eventually won the right to all the people of all nations, originally They were just one of many, albeit perhaps better/more original than the others, and in the process of winning the leadership of the Divine Council They reduced the other gods to a lesser status over time. Not Fallen Angels deceiving mankind into worship but rather Deities that in the process of falling to become mere angels lost the right to the worship of men.
@baonemogomotsi7138 Speaking for myself as a Christian... No, not really. Gods of single nations or ethnicities to me are inherently weaker than a god that recognizes the importance of a growing partnership of human with divinity that sanctifies God through increasing the goodness of His people and brings Him to a better, more holy and universal place. This is somewhere in between the idea of Paul's community of believers and explicit theurgy (perhaps like the merkavah theurgy that Paul may have been a part of before the road to Damascus). It also is, as I read it, more or less the position of the Bible Project, a pretty widespread evangelical community... That other gods may and do try to win over swathes of believers (now in guises like fascism or white supremacy or Social Darwinism instead of Chemosh or Ba'al, but same underneath the words), but that their model of worship and idolatry is inherently weaker than Christ's divine partnership and self-sacrifice. But I wouldn't pretend to speak for all Christians that way, there's a pretty wide spread. A lot of gnostic-leaning folks from antiquity or today would say that Jesus had an understanding of a Divinity beyond the mere gods of nations. That would mean Jesus is a higher divinity above the lesser ones. Some might even have put YHWH into that lesser category. Marcion, first compiler of a New Testament, falls into that grouping, I believe. Some, like most of the folks in my church/meeting house and also Catholic theologian Teilhard de Chardin, might well say that all our understanding of divinity are inherently limited, but that there is a progression towards a better understanding over time... That inevitably a better God *will* replace the understanding we now have, by virtue of being a better reflection of the One True Divine Truth. But that'll be okay, because the moral arc of the universe bends towards truth and justice. Others might say that the apocalypse of Revelation is, in fact, just that epic battle of another god trying to arise and replace Jesus... But that the other God is bound to lose. This is probably the most common understanding of the Antichrist and Beast in evangelical circles, actually, even if not quite explicitly framed this way. Pretty much the common view of "Left Behind"-style theology, as I read it. Others, to include, as I understand it, the orthodox LDS church doctrine, feel that all true believers will eventually come to become such other, newer gods of other realms, but that by virtue of being able to ascend this hierarchy they are inherently not in conflict but rather covenant with Jesus and the One True God. This to me is a wild interpretation, but not as I learned more as unusual as I first imagined it. Michael Heiser and his school of thought holds that the other gods can't rise up again because Christ defeated them already in His sacrifice, that in essence the earth and our struggles and development are simply the echo of another battle in the spiritual realm that already took place and we are just in this world coming to reflect that victory. That's the theology I was taught, in fact. I'm sure there's other positions I'm not representing, too. Haven't even touched on Jesus/Isa and the Mahdi winning out over Dajjal in battle as is common in traditional Islamicate eschatology, for example. There's a lot greater variety in religious positions than people realize.
Dan, I'm so happy I stumbled across your reels a couple of years ago. I have pre-ordered your book! You teach me so much. But PLEASE explain this mystery of the universe...why do you grow a beard, shave it, grow a beard, shave it? Enquiring minds want to know! :)
Hestia never told me to worry about who poops where, and Brigid doesn't care whether you wear a skirt or trousers depending on the contents of your underpants. Just a thought.
Yeah I started my life as a Catholic and ended up worshipping the Canaanite and Sumerian gods cuz they're just much more likeable and don't cram rules down your throat and make demands for anything 😊
Who does? I mean, I know the answer's not actually “no one”, but I think you should be looking at the kind of weirdo who also decides that toilet stalls should be designed so you can watch people while they do their business, not any god I've heard of, to find your answer.
@@altpaththe Abrahamic god is literally just the Canaanite God who's worshipers won their local "my god has a bigger dick than your God" wars, the ancient Hebrews were nothing more than another tribe of Canaanites
For the second theory addressed in the video, I'm guessing they're thinking of euhemerism being a popular framework and coming up with their own rationalisation for it.
In deut 32 . People only read as far as verse 8 . But keep continuing and in verse 17 it says they sacrificed to demons and it refers to them as elohim . So even within the context of deut 32 . We have demons being referred to as God's
Nephilim is plural for cloud. See story of Zeus and Nephele. The Nephilim are usually associated with the rainy season (Noah's flood) where we also find the fiery flying serpents aka lightning.
@@harveywabbit9541different languages. Enoch was written in Hebrew or Aramaic, while nephos means cloud in Greek (and Nephele means cloudy lady, basically). They're unrelated.
@@dechasrisen4783 Moses, the River God, has returned. After the children of Israel had avenged themselves of the Midianites, and captured their young virgins for future use, Moses was "gathered unto his people" (Num. 31.2), i.e., leaving the Sun, "he went and returned, and dwelt" with the Sun - he completed the circle of the zodiac, or year. Having thus looked upon the Promised Land (summer), Moses died, and buried himself in a valley in the land of Moab (water-father = Aquarius = Moses), "but no man knoweth of his sepulcher unto this day" (Deut. 34.6). Although one hundred and twenty years old, " his eyes," it is said, " were not dim (his stars shine as brightly now as they did then), nor his natural force abated (the rainy season still comes on every year) " However, the people wept thirty days, i.e., during the passage of the Sun through Aquarius, the Wash-pot (Ps 60.8), or the rainy month of JANUARY.
“Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong.” -Christopher Hitchens
A question then, why should/can we then dismiss the argument made that all the gods from the ancient world are actually all the christian god of the Hebrew bible and the pantheon are the fallen angels or the Nephilim, that these are just alternative retellings with variations due to the confusion of tongues during the construction of the tower of Babel in Gen. 11? The argument made is that there are many similarities between the Roman, Greek and perhaps even Nordic gods, because they all stem from a memory of the same god...they even claim that the ancient Sumerian/Mesopotamian gods are all from this same memory.
I don't know why they do this. Christianity doesn't preach monotheism. Just that one god is better than the other ones. Other gods are namedropped and acknowledged in the bible all over the place. Today we know they weren't real. The golden calf wasn't a god, Dagon wasn't a god. But back in the day, that's what gods were, idols. Yahweh was a golden idol just like all the others. Also the first commandment is "You shall not have any god beside me" which implies that there are other ones
I think pre Christianity it work's like this believe in a thing makes it real that is why god's demand worship and forbid worship of other god's. As that belief gives them power. Egyptians greaks and Jews belived the other god's are real they just didn't bother writing down one constant origin for all of them.
Monotheism’s interaction with the mostly polytheist or atheist world never ceases to be a source of amusement and frustration. Also, that the Gods warred on Lucifer’s side is something REALLY present in Paradise Lost.
Paradise Lost is really funny because most Christians haven't read it, and if they did, they'd notice Milton has some pretty wildly unorthodox theological ideas. This isn't some secret either; he wrote about his own religious beliefs, and they are... well... he's been called an Arian, that says something.
Oh shit! Now I understand the lyrics from Mastodon: Angels dancing with a mortal, a sin A giant born within a woman's womb Nephilim walking through the forest, breaking limbs As we bow and give respect to the gods
Here's the problem with said "conspiracy theory." 1. There's religions older than Yahwism,Judaism, and Christianity, so it's senseless. 2. It's a condescending rationalisation because they definitely wouldn't like their god being called a demon, so why do that to other beliefs? 3. It sets a precedent for religious supremacy and conflict (as seen with Christianity's role and stance during the colonial period).
And now reality: Yahweh was part of a Caananite pantheon. El was the chief of their gods. Yahweh and his sister-wife Ashera, Ba'al, Mot and many more. All religious deities are man-made. I encourage y'all ... look it up. (And not from unreliable religious texts).
Interesting, when I fan fic stories I don't see Zeus and Elohim as alike at all. I merge him with Prometheus, the one with foresight who gave humanity good food and fire.
I didn't take the second half of the video as ascribing worship to the biblical heroes. I actually imagine the original video was leading to justification for belief in a world of Super Heroes & Villains.
I'm familiar with the story of Satan being cast out of heaven and taking some fallen angels with him, but the rest was a totally new concept to me. Learn something new every day!
While it doesn't paint them as angels per say (fallen or otherwise) isn't there some implication that YHWH judges at least some of the Divine Council as evil in Psalm 82? It'd at least lend some credence to the idea some other gods are evil from a bibilical perspective.
@@johnkilpatrick2343 This is not an unusual view in several schools of evangelical thought & UFOlogy. _Facade_ is a novel that lays out the idea with theological justification fairly well, without falling into the trap of conspiracy theory. For those falling into conspiracy theory, well, there's a cottage industry of the stuff.
I recall people making the argument that the Hindu gods were avatars of the God of Christianity. A flimsy argument, but I suppose it's a framework for reconciling any polytheistic belief system with a monotheistic one.
In their setting, this content creator is giving off a serious children of the corn vibe. 🤣 Religious apologist videos make me sincerely grateful for my intelligence, wisdom and common sense. They are also proof of the adverse effects of defunding education.
For anyone who didn't already know, Dan just introduced you to Betteridges law. Yes, you will become a better person once you understand the concept. No, you'll never look as good he does inthe a t-shirt. Get to the gym ya dorks.
And they are all from the radiant of The Pleiades, space falls. The host is the star cluster, or a pile of seeds, or grapes, or mistletoe, etc. Nobody thinks that a bit conspicuous? Or, what about riding a Bull like a surfboard with a Thunderweapon. Oh, and the rattles of The Feathered Serpent, originating from the same area by The Golden Gate of the Ecliptic - Pearly Gates?
Nope, it’s all the same Source just from different cultures and perspectives. A lot of the descriptions of course are from our perspectives so They have been misunderstood some in holy books.
Yeah I heard a theory that demons were assigned people groups to rule as their deities, but Israel's God assigned himself Israel. When "all authority in heaven and earth is given to" the Messiah (Mat 28), that's when they lost their place to God's chosen ruler of all.
Islam has something similar as regards the reasoning. They say that Allah sent a prophet to each of the nations, but most got corrupted except Mohammed, which is why there are lots of (false) religions. People are very good at inventing post hocs to explain why they are special, it seems.
its not really inventing post hocs, its logical, the older religions have barely any records of them and over time the stories and ideas probably morphed into something different, this also happens for history with various myths and whacky stories being added to real documented events, and the reason why Mohammed's message isn't corrupt is because it is a well kept ORAL tradition and recent enough to have proof of its preservation in the form of a manuscript that dates back to the time when he lived and it matches perfectly the modern Qur'an, there is no manuscript from the first century of Christianity (its 500 years older than islam so it makes sense) and judaism is even older and its manuscripts far more recent than its supposed origins. As evidence of corruption being an actual process, the qur'an maybe perfectly preserved due to the oral tradition, but hadith was not orally transmitted and thus contains a lot of weirdness and contradictions and is in the process of being corrupted, every politically motivated group will point to dubious hadiths to push their agenda and reinterpret hadiths however they see fit. The ones that do the most amount of post hoc rationalisation are atheists who start from the idea that god can't be real and religion is just an invention then they come up with explanations they can't prove and defend those explanations purely with mockery and a condescending attitude.
@entertainproxi9140 Yes, they really are post hocs. They are explanations after the fact to make an observation fit your worldview in lieu of data analysis.
Given that no god, titan, demon, devil, angel, witch, warlock, wizard, ogre, elf, troll or any other supernatural being ever existed except in the minds of evil, manipulative men and those that serve them, I wonder what difference it makes which imaginary being is top dog. The world is awash with idiots.
I still believe that YHWH and other deities were actual beings who were seen as Gods and perhaps made people believe they were. If you look at the stories of the OT these beings were physical beings, they were there eating, drinking, fighting wars, demanding war tribute/woman etc etc. And that these beings were going around the globe and were known like different deities like Odin, Zeus, etc etc. The God the Father that Jesus spoke of was love and nothing like the OT tyrant
The Jews believed the Gods of other people's god's where literal Gods not demons,it was with the New testament Era that these gods started being called demons
Most human beings today and throughout history are not, were not Christian (most humans are Asian). This is God's Plan? Sounds to me more like ancient Jewish tribal folk tales. And I don't mean that sarcastically.
It is remarkable that God's from around the world and throughout history had many similar characteristics. This is between people who had no contact with one another. One conclusion could be that these God's came from the same source.
@@stubbwinkley4015 I said "one conclusion COULD be". Not "the conclusion IS". Globallly these Gods are similar. How could that be? Everyone can take a guess, what's yours?
@@edwardvan5808 Well, my conclusion is that there isn’t any evidence to support this claim, so I don’t see any reason to believe it’s true. In fact, for any given major religion or belief system, there’s plenty of anthropological evidence that you could use to trace back the earliest origins. What’s your evidence?
@@stubbwinkley4015 From my own research into mythological Gods I noticed numerous traits that are remarkably similar between the Gods. That is my evidence. You have concluded there isn't any evidence to support this claim. What claim? I made no claim. I am asking questions.
@ I’m trying to say this possible conclusion you’re talking about isn’t a valid conclusion. It has no data to support it, and it has a lot of data against it.
There are constant rumors too that certain teachings are kept from the public and only granted access to "the initiated," a common theme with Freemasonry which literally means a free builder/architect which would be a nod to Creation theory and wanting to be free of God's divine control to build a world to their design (I was a DeMolay so...). As much and as desperate as those that consider themselves the "thinking men" of our age to escape what they consider "traditions" is these things are also foundational to our way of explaining and communicating our world to this day. For example, the event in 2020 (avoiding automated censors) is based on the goat god Pan (the evil spirit of the woods - we're not out of the woods yet), where the word panic comes from, and pan-dem-ic means panic of the people - the root of this being an irrational fear of the air (Pan's flute created this with sound in the air) which is questionable why we would use it as a basis for fact. So as fun as it is to poke fun at believers, you might want to inform your "thinking society" so they stop leveraging these words oblivious to their root cause and nature (pun intended). Or just accept there's something to it all, and it's probably best not to mock it.
No, pandemic comes from the two Greek words pan -meaning “all”- and dēmos -meaning “people”. It has nothing to so with air or the god Pan. Just because words sound the same doesn’t mean they are. Also, the Greek for air is aer.
Words change meaning and when people use it without knowing or caring about the origin, then the word no longer means that in their usage. I'm not sure how many sounds the human vocal system can make and how many combinations there are, but they have all probably been used for something else already. A lot of the words in Ancient Greek came from Proto-Indo-European, and PIE was probably late to the party of making words by a several tens of millennia. Anyway, Wiktionary says the etymology is from the Greek _pandemos_ meaning "of or belonging to all the people", with "pan" from the Proto-Indo-European _peh2_ meaning "to protect, shepherd" plus the PIE _deh2_ meaning "to divide, share". Wikipedia says the name of the Greek God Pan comes from a PIE god named _peh2uson_ also etymologically related to PIE _peh2_. So, if it is cognate, it may be a sibling instead of a parent. Just look at the change in the meaning of other words, like _planet_ and how it went from "wanderer" to _planetes Asteres_ meaning "wandering star" to a generic meaning of "a large non-stellar object" to "a large sub-stellar object that can clear its orbit but only orbits around the star named Sol". Of course, the last meaning is new and only applies to members of the IAU.
But pandemic is formed regularly as pan- demic, “throughout the people”, strictly parallel to epi- demic, “on the people”, and en- demic, “particular to the people”, and is unrelated to panic (which is, as you might expect, pan +ic, not pan- ic). Or perhaps I missed your point? [Edited for typo, and changed one - to a + to block TH-cam's psychotic markup logic triggering.]
Know your God is just an asura. He was originally just the Hebrew war god but he tricked their entire people and eventually all the religions that broke off of their religion into worshiping him instead of the actual creator. I have had two near death experiences I know for 100% fact he is the true God. Jesus was actually a teacher of Dharma but his teachings were twisted to guy the evil old testament
That’s how early Jewish traditions made sense of other cultures having different gods?? If u look at Christopher Langan he has a model of reality & talks about how different cultures have beliefs that hav correlations with science & some of those beliefs may actually point to truth about reality. The way u say cultures created beliefs to explain reality is very “blind” & if that’s how a “scholar” sees spirituality then it’s a false way of explaining it. Maybe then scholars should only explain facts & dates & stay out of aspect of explaining spirituality or admit they dnt know why certain religions beliefs exist instead of creating an answer u dnt know but pretend to know.
These ideas are extremely myopic and lack any understanding of history. The gods, originally called the Anunnaki or Igigi appear in the literature after 3100 BCE but there are artistic representations that stem from the Uruk period. The systems which we called pantheons appear in the Bronze Age, but probably had precedences in the Copper age and evolved from shamanistic spirits that get transmitted with trade and colonization and are reshaped by language and culture. By the time we have any evidence that people might be praying to a YHW/A god, there were at least 3000 gods in the Fertile Crescent and Egypt, not to mention the gods of Europe and Indus Valley. YHWH appears in the inscriptions 400 years later after the late Bronze Age collapse after the majority of these gods disappeared. They did not fall, the people who worshipped them either died out, or they abandoned those gods because there were too few people left to carry the tradition. To state is succinctly, people created gods and then people could no longer observe those gods for a variety of reasons. YHWH appears in the inscription literature among a pantheon of pre-existing gods and YHWH was in a pantheon called the Elohim. One of the forms of Yahweh worship, the golden calf cult of Luz clearly recognizes that YHWH is the youthful god in a place otherwise called Bêt’el or the House of El. El was the father god of the Elohim, a pantheon of gods recognized in Ugarit and in Deir Alla inscription and also by inference in Deuteronomy 32:8. In the time of Ugarit, there were 4 pantheons recognized in the city, so being in the Elohim was not a generic representation, but a specific representation, a proper name, for a specific pantheon. The name Elohim was usurped by the Yahwist of the late first temple period. Is Satan a fallen Angel? This is a misunderstanding of Christian writers of the Hebrew Bible. Nor did the gods in these other belief revolt against Yahweh and disappear. HaSatan is a story prop in the book of Job because god needs a gambling buddy. The beginning of the end for the Mesopotamian gods begins under Assyrian domination with the rise of the power god Asshur, who following the Enuma Elis, usurped the power of 100s of other gods. Asshur was destroyed by the Median confederation and Babylon and was replaced by Marduk. Toward the end of the Babylonian period Marduk was falling out of favor and as one of the most ancient gods Suen/Nanna began to rise in popularity as Akkad and Sumer came to end. As this occurred many of the state festivals lost importance under Persian rule. The Greeks invaded and they had a bad habit of trying to syncretize their gods with eastern gods they very poorly understood. This further weakened the culture and many legacy sites like Eridu dwindled to a skeleton crew of priesthood. Cities that managed to survive the establishment of the Parthian empire would either be destroyed or force to serve Allah under the Islamic Caliphates. However, the some of the stories of these old gods did manage to survive veiled in the theology of the Hebrew Bible.
The idea that the gods of other nations are demons appears in 1 Corinthians 10:20-21, which appears to be influenced by the LXX of Psalm 96:5 (95:5 in the LXX; cf. 1 Chronicles 16:26).
Now a video about how the first commandment is not to worship other gods and how that implies there's other gods and if the jews were once polytheistic
I think there were maybe six of those last year. We'll see if we can break seven this year!
You've also got weird bits of the old testament where God is characterized more in line with a god from a pantheon
I suppose the text of the first commandment implies a henotheistic belief system by the text's author(s). Acknowledgement of a pantheon, yet only one god (the god of Israel) deserves worship.
@@garrysmith1029 He's got quite a few videos that discuss that, actually. Henotheism is the term generally used... There are multiple other gods, but you can/must/should only worship *ours*. Dan usually uses the favorite football team analogy. In his book, based on his dissertation, he discusses the progression of types of theism (polytheism to henotheism to monotheism) and how it relates to idols and the presencing of divinity.
@@н.джед.т henotheism is more the idea that one deity is above all the others but that doesn't necessarily prevent other deities' cults (a little like in some expressions of Stoicism with Zeus as Nous); monolatry is the choice to worship only one deity among many... in both cases we have a polytheistic view because deities are still many though cultual preferences are different. Monotheism is the further and latest step in the Bible, with the idea that only one deity is real and true.
its not a conspiracy theory, its fan fic
Satan aka winter doesn't really fight Heaven aka summer season of crop production and harvest. Satan relies upon Heaven to feed him during the Sabbath aka period when earth rests from its labor of crop production. This is the five months in Revelation 9.5. The"head" of Satan is the scorpion aka Scorpio constellation. At the passover from spring to summer, Satan (winter) is kicked out of Heaven (summer). Heaven is the seven months aka signs of the Ram through the Scales. Satan is the five months aka signs of Scorpio thru Pisces.
funny most christian dont even know what fan fiction is.when i was christian i didn't .
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We should remember that Satan is the son of god and God is the son of Satan.
@@harveywabbit9541 Gnosticism???
@@harveywabbit9541 where does Naruto fit in?
Its always felt so sinister that the divine beings of other religions were forcibly reinterpreted as demons
…Unless “demon” just means divine being? That was once the case. So much of this is emotional weight we are carrying ourselves.
@@stephenspackman5573 sure. that's what δαίμων means. And it's common to reinterpret foreign gods as somehow part of your cosmology. Still feels especially nasty in the case of Abrahamic faiths where the explicit claim is that these foreign gods are evil and their artifacts/temples must be destroyed.
@@stephenspackman5573Yeah, I'd you think Christians simply mean divine being when they say "demon" you're either confused, wllfully ignorant or lying because bffr.
Religious supremacy seems to play a key role.
"These cultures and communities that have existed alongside us and predate us have their gods, but their gods are simply malevolent spirits because ours is TOTALLY real"
Christians who think other gods are demons, probably.
@@stephenspackman5573with second temple Judaism seemingly being pretty influenced by Zoroastrian dualism and by Greek thought, it makes sense that they eventually downgraded other regional gods to be malevolent spirits. Demon comes from the Greek word Daemon, and I’ve read that to the Greeks, Daemons were minor gods and/or spirits.
When Einstein said "imagination is more important than knowledge," I don't think this is the sort of thing he was talking about.
It's become more obvious to me over time as I've been exposed to more critical analysis how much of the early parts of the bible are about the move to monotheism and away from polytheism.
All the best drama comes from the bits about henotheism.
This is why Rome had so many problems with Judaea. The imperial faith was based on syncretism-the idea that all gods from all religions exist together, and many were the same under different names. It’s easy to join an empire where they say “We also worship Thor, we just call him Hercules.”
But the Jews didn’t fit that paradigm, because there were no parallel gods to fit together. The Greeks and Romans _tried_ to identify Yahweh with Zeus and Jupiter, but it did not end well. Therefore, Judaea was always a province in religious and social turmoil, because none of the normal methods worked.
However, it eventually went the other way with the spread of Christianity and Catholic saints. It’s easier to accept a new faith if you can turn The Morrigan into St. Brigid and still keep most of the stories.
Source: 30 years studying comparative mythology, and writing 4 novels on the subject.
Christians were persecuted and mocked by Romans and even called atheists because they refused to worship roman gods
Christianity was anti synchronism
@@atlanderwrites are the novels good? where can I find them?
It's 100% true. I saw a documentary a while back about this, it's called "Shin Megami Tensei"
In a similar vein, it seems like when it comes to handing out powerful magical artifacts to random dudes, the God of the Old Testament was about as responsible as Aqua from _Konosuba._ 😂
I love that series!
@@atlanderwrites let's kiss!
Dan I'm glad you are doing this work. Maybe you have your reasons based on social media trends, but as someone fairly unplugged from social media, please consider more obviously punching up, some of the stitches have been of really young content creators... I'd like better to see you answer the likes of Lane Craig, John Lennox, or popular mega church pastors.
What's always struck me as odd about this view is that even if we assume these pantheons of lesser gods or spirits do exist, there's not really any good reason to regard them as malevolent or label them "demons" or evil spirits. Even if worship of them is mistaken, why assume they're malicious? What's to say they're not like Tolkien's Valar?
Granted, my husband sometimes gets the stories of Samson and Hercules confused.....
Samson was trained by a goatman voiced bt Danny DaVito, it's all right there in scripture
Samson, the SUN, is another Hercules. The biblical Phalti/Palti is the phallus. The tale of Phalti being taken away from Michal is worth a read
I always forget which one was super strong and killed a lion with his bare hands and ripped gates off a city wall and carried them to a hill and never would have been defeated except he was tricked by a woman. I remember a deity came down from the sky in the guise of a man and impregnated a mortal woman, but was that the same one associated with the pillars?
husband's confusion justified.
That was Samson. It’s all in the hair. He was a Nazarite. Not to be confused with Nazarene.
Both killed lions but Samson ate and shared honey out of the rotting carcass. Despite that being taboo god apparently wasn’t that upset about it. Maybe he liked men with long hair in those days and changed his mind later.
@@GoodieWhiteHat
The lion got his honey by eating the beehive cluster in Cancer.
See star charts of the Lion and beehive cluster.
See, I remember hearing about this idea as a teen, and thinking, "if true, then my only recourse to claim Jesus is NOT a demon is to dogmatically assert it, which is an option open to all others as well."
This is super interesting! One of the very last messages I listened to at my church a few years ago was them saying that demons would come down and stand behind the statues of other's gods and recieve the worship that was being given to that other god. Couldnt find that in the bible. Also they talked a lot about the spirit of Baal whom if you read the story of Elijah and the phophets of Baal you get the real impression that Baal doesnt exist or is powerless but is somehow controling everything in our nation now and also partially the reason why genocide is OK
Stolen worship blessings huh? The addled mind knows no boundaries.
I don't remember the Biblical references but, if you have read Lewis, you certainly can recall the argument that the deeds and worship that are good are allocated to God even if you are crediting them to Evil and the evil that one does is credited to Evil despite any claims that attribute it to God. I believe it comes up in both The Last Battle and A Horse And His Boy during discussions of Tash and Aslan. Can't recall the nonfiction references but this sounds like some weird misrepresentation of the underlying argument.
I don't necessarily think it's a stretch that every god in every religion could exist. Given how even the Judeo-Christian god is an amalgamation of main gods amongst the Hebrews, Canaanites, and other early tribes, one could logically conclude due to the cross over in many other religions and myths that there has to be some commonality there. I think it's egotistical and foolish to believe that there is only one true religion. The question to me has always been which parts of which religions are correct.
The answer is none. None of them have anything correct.
These are stories people made up to explain the world around them. They are science from back when the scientific method consisted of just-so stories which accepted unfounded premises like "all action requires an agent".
Now we have better methods, science has moved on. So we have this new thing called "religion" which largely hangs around because we still like stories and because our stupid monkey brains prioritize maintaining a sense of belonging with the group over silly things like facts or falsifiability.
The Sun god is the savior to everyone.
except for the fact that none of them exist. gods are the marvel heroes of the iron age. there's not one iota of evidence that any of them are real.
@@harveywabbit9541 Helios, Surya and Nitten are all sun gods, yet play very minor unimportant roles in their religions tbf. So I'd disagree
I simply don't believe in gods anymore because there's no verifiable evidence. It helps me accept all beliefs as valid human constructs without any confusion.
This guy's mother didn't even let him do his podcast from the front seat of her car like the cool kids get to do.
Hey! He's cool, he's got his hat on sideways. Although, I don't know what his mother would say about that.
Sounds like something a monotheist made up to avoid admitting that humans just make up gods
So this content creator (and apparently other Christians) believe that fallen angels went down to the nations of the Earth and convinced and thereby deceived the peoples in their respective regions that they, the fallen angels, were God, and that's how those religions across the globe started. The creator believes that . . . but it doesn't occur to him (and the other Christians who accept the theory) that Jesus could have been one of those fallen angels? Or whichever name of God was the progenitor of the Abrahamic faiths? Why is it that “the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist”? Surely the greatest trick the Devil could ever pull would be convincing the faithful that he was God.
@@lawrencecollins7398 I'm not entirely sure that the original commenter believes this interpretation... The use of the term "conspiracy theory" implies they regard it as untrue, plus his tone on the word Christian implied to me that he was making a distinction. But irregardless, that's not the only interpretation out there.
A better version, one with better historical/textual support, is that the other gods *were* in fact the gods of other nations, and that all the different gods were explicitly referenced in early versions of the Old Testament... That while the God(s) of Israel, YHWH (and/or El) eventually won the right to all the people of all nations, originally They were just one of many, albeit perhaps better/more original than the others, and in the process of winning the leadership of the Divine Council They reduced the other gods to a lesser status over time. Not Fallen Angels deceiving mankind into worship but rather Deities that in the process of falling to become mere angels lost the right to the worship of men.
@н.джед.т But wouldn't that terrify the Christians as any god could rise up and become the "one true god" in the next 10,000 years.
@baonemogomotsi7138 Speaking for myself as a Christian... No, not really. Gods of single nations or ethnicities to me are inherently weaker than a god that recognizes the importance of a growing partnership of human with divinity that sanctifies God through increasing the goodness of His people and brings Him to a better, more holy and universal place. This is somewhere in between the idea of Paul's community of believers and explicit theurgy (perhaps like the merkavah theurgy that Paul may have been a part of before the road to Damascus). It also is, as I read it, more or less the position of the Bible Project, a pretty widespread evangelical community... That other gods may and do try to win over swathes of believers (now in guises like fascism or white supremacy or Social Darwinism instead of Chemosh or Ba'al, but same underneath the words), but that their model of worship and idolatry is inherently weaker than Christ's divine partnership and self-sacrifice.
But I wouldn't pretend to speak for all Christians that way, there's a pretty wide spread. A lot of gnostic-leaning folks from antiquity or today would say that Jesus had an understanding of a Divinity beyond the mere gods of nations. That would mean Jesus is a higher divinity above the lesser ones. Some might even have put YHWH into that lesser category. Marcion, first compiler of a New Testament, falls into that grouping, I believe.
Some, like most of the folks in my church/meeting house and also Catholic theologian Teilhard de Chardin, might well say that all our understanding of divinity are inherently limited, but that there is a progression towards a better understanding over time... That inevitably a better God *will* replace the understanding we now have, by virtue of being a better reflection of the One True Divine Truth. But that'll be okay, because the moral arc of the universe bends towards truth and justice.
Others might say that the apocalypse of Revelation is, in fact, just that epic battle of another god trying to arise and replace Jesus... But that the other God is bound to lose. This is probably the most common understanding of the Antichrist and Beast in evangelical circles, actually, even if not quite explicitly framed this way. Pretty much the common view of "Left Behind"-style theology, as I read it.
Others, to include, as I understand it, the orthodox LDS church doctrine, feel that all true believers will eventually come to become such other, newer gods of other realms, but that by virtue of being able to ascend this hierarchy they are inherently not in conflict but rather covenant with Jesus and the One True God. This to me is a wild interpretation, but not as I learned more as unusual as I first imagined it.
Michael Heiser and his school of thought holds that the other gods can't rise up again because Christ defeated them already in His sacrifice, that in essence the earth and our struggles and development are simply the echo of another battle in the spiritual realm that already took place and we are just in this world coming to reflect that victory. That's the theology I was taught, in fact.
I'm sure there's other positions I'm not representing, too. Haven't even touched on Jesus/Isa and the Mahdi winning out over Dajjal in battle as is common in traditional Islamicate eschatology, for example. There's a lot greater variety in religious positions than people realize.
He earned that rank label. He's not labeled the master of deceit for nothing. 😈
Dan, I'm so happy I stumbled across your reels a couple of years ago. I have pre-ordered your book! You teach me so much. But PLEASE explain this mystery of the universe...why do you grow a beard, shave it, grow a beard, shave it? Enquiring minds want to know! :)
Funny enough, he addressed that on a live stream months ago. His wife isn’t a fan of the beard.
I do it too. So refreshing when you shave a beard.
🎉If the wife ain't happy...😂
❤❤❤❤❤❤thanks Dan!!!
Hestia never told me to worry about who poops where, and Brigid doesn't care whether you wear a skirt or trousers depending on the contents of your underpants.
Just a thought.
Yeah I started my life as a Catholic and ended up worshipping the Canaanite and Sumerian gods cuz they're just much more likeable and don't cram rules down your throat and make demands for anything 😊
It's called a kilt.
Who does?
I mean, I know the answer's not actually “no one”, but I think you should be looking at the kind of weirdo who also decides that toilet stalls should be designed so you can watch people while they do their business, not any god I've heard of, to find your answer.
@@altpaththe Abrahamic god is literally just the Canaanite God who's worshipers won their local "my god has a bigger dick than your God" wars, the ancient Hebrews were nothing more than another tribe of Canaanites
Thanks Dan. ❤
As a retired teacher, I commend you for "temper[ing] the wind to the shorn lamb".
For the second theory addressed in the video, I'm guessing they're thinking of euhemerism being a popular framework and coming up with their own rationalisation for it.
Dan:
[Jews understanding other gods as demons]: “It’s an interpretation.”
[When Marcion does it]: “Antisemitism!”
In deut 32 . People only read as far as verse 8 .
But keep continuing and in verse 17 it says they sacrificed to demons and it refers to them as elohim .
So even within the context of deut 32 . We have demons being referred to as God's
Psalm 106:37-38: refers to the gods of cannan as demons
A nice mixture of Abrahamic syncretism and Stargate SG-1.
How else could anybody explain other people's devotion to other divinities unless they had really been seduced by demons?
Definitely not because many religions existed *before* Christianity and Judaism were a thing.
Shhh, don't let those Christians hear you say that. They're not ready 😂
Is there any movies or TV shows on the giants and the nephilims? Sounds like an interesting plot, perhaps a crossover too with Odin and Thor?
Nephilim is plural for cloud. See story of Zeus and Nephele.
The Nephilim are usually associated with the rainy season (Noah's flood) where we also find the fiery flying serpents aka lightning.
Are there movies or TV shows, not "Is there any movies..."
Personally, I prefer the opposite, where Yahweh is no different than any other god besides the fact that he wheel-and-dealt his way to the Throne.
@@harveywabbit9541different languages. Enoch was written in Hebrew or Aramaic, while nephos means cloud in Greek (and Nephele means cloudy lady, basically). They're unrelated.
@@dechasrisen4783
Moses, the River God, has returned.
After the children of Israel had avenged themselves of the Midianites, and captured their young virgins for future use, Moses was "gathered unto his people" (Num. 31.2), i.e., leaving the Sun, "he went and returned, and dwelt" with the Sun - he completed the circle of the zodiac, or year. Having thus looked upon the Promised Land (summer), Moses died, and buried himself in a valley in the land of Moab (water-father = Aquarius = Moses), "but no man knoweth of his sepulcher unto this day" (Deut. 34.6). Although one hundred and twenty years old, " his eyes," it is said, " were not dim (his stars shine as brightly now as they did then), nor his natural force abated (the rainy season still comes on every year) " However, the people wept thirty days, i.e., during the passage of the Sun through Aquarius, the Wash-pot (Ps 60.8), or the rainy month of JANUARY.
“Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong.”
-Christopher Hitchens
History, in the bible = zero.
@@harveywabbit9541There are glimpses of history in parts of the Bible that shouldn't be thrown away, but using the Bible as history is just not smart
A question then, why should/can we then dismiss the argument made that all the gods from the ancient world are actually all the christian god of the Hebrew bible and the pantheon are the fallen angels or the Nephilim, that these are just alternative retellings with variations due to the confusion of tongues during the construction of the tower of Babel in Gen. 11? The argument made is that there are many similarities between the Roman, Greek and perhaps even Nordic gods, because they all stem from a memory of the same god...they even claim that the ancient Sumerian/Mesopotamian gods are all from this same memory.
So @maklelan have you done any videos on why the Book of Enoch wasn’t included in the canonical scriptures?
That’s a fun idea. I wish tricephalatic trinity would make a comeback.
Call it what it is, spiritual supremacism.
Jewish tradition says that Jacob was worried that if he were to be buried in Egypt that the Egyptians would worship him as a deity
I don't know why they do this. Christianity doesn't preach monotheism. Just that one god is better than the other ones. Other gods are namedropped and acknowledged in the bible all over the place.
Today we know they weren't real. The golden calf wasn't a god, Dagon wasn't a god. But back in the day, that's what gods were, idols. Yahweh was a golden idol just like all the others.
Also the first commandment is "You shall not have any god beside me" which implies that there are other ones
I think pre Christianity it work's like this believe in a thing makes it real that is why god's demand worship and forbid worship of other god's. As that belief gives them power. Egyptians greaks and Jews belived the other god's are real they just didn't bother writing down one constant origin for all of them.
It's a cool take. For a really cool fictional universe.
Monotheism’s interaction with the mostly polytheist or atheist world never ceases to be a source of amusement and frustration.
Also, that the Gods warred on Lucifer’s side is something REALLY present in Paradise Lost.
Paradise Lost is really funny because most Christians haven't read it, and if they did, they'd notice Milton has some pretty wildly unorthodox theological ideas. This isn't some secret either; he wrote about his own religious beliefs, and they are... well... he's been called an Arian, that says something.
Oh shit! Now I understand the lyrics from Mastodon:
Angels dancing with a mortal, a sin
A giant born within a woman's womb
Nephilim walking through the forest, breaking limbs
As we bow and give respect to the gods
Dan, take it easier with the holiday goods 😅
Here's the problem with said "conspiracy theory."
1. There's religions older than Yahwism,Judaism, and Christianity, so it's senseless.
2. It's a condescending rationalisation because they definitely wouldn't like their god being called a demon, so why do that to other beliefs?
3. It sets a precedent for religious supremacy and conflict (as seen with Christianity's role and stance during the colonial period).
And now reality: Yahweh was part of a Caananite pantheon. El was the chief of their gods. Yahweh and his sister-wife Ashera, Ba'al, Mot and many more. All religious deities are man-made. I encourage y'all ... look it up. (And not from unreliable religious texts).
Interesting, when I fan fic stories I don't see Zeus and Elohim as alike at all. I merge him with Prometheus, the one with foresight who gave humanity good food and fire.
I didn't take the second half of the video as ascribing worship to the biblical heroes. I actually imagine the original video was leading to justification for belief in a world of Super Heroes & Villains.
I'm familiar with the story of Satan being cast out of heaven and taking some fallen angels with him, but the rest was a totally new concept to me. Learn something new every day!
While it doesn't paint them as angels per say (fallen or otherwise) isn't there some implication that YHWH judges at least some of the Divine Council as evil in Psalm 82? It'd at least lend some credence to the idea some other gods are evil from a bibilical perspective.
Maybe,but given Yhwh's evil actions too, idk if he'd be the best judge in this hypothetical scenario.
What do you think of the announcement that Jason Momoa will be playing Lobo?
The most relevant comment of the day….
A family member who is a 'mainstream Christian' believes any aliens that might ever come to Earth will be fallen angels/daemons.
@@johnkilpatrick2343 This is not an unusual view in several schools of evangelical thought & UFOlogy. _Facade_ is a novel that lays out the idea with theological justification fairly well, without falling into the trap of conspiracy theory. For those falling into conspiracy theory, well, there's a cottage industry of the stuff.
Oughta be criminal to fill people’s heads with such nonsense.
I recall people making the argument that the Hindu gods were avatars of the God of Christianity. A flimsy argument, but I suppose it's a framework for reconciling any polytheistic belief system with a monotheistic one.
Did you get a new light for Christmas? 😁
In their setting, this content creator is giving off a serious children of the corn vibe. 🤣
Religious apologist videos make me sincerely grateful for my intelligence, wisdom and common sense. They are also proof of the adverse effects of defunding education.
And definite proof of oxygen deprivation during their birthing process.
@BeachsideHank 🤣
It should be brutally obvious, to even the most casual observer, that - THERE IS NO GOD!
For anyone who didn't already know, Dan just introduced you to Betteridges law. Yes, you will become a better person once you understand the concept. No, you'll never look as good he does inthe a t-shirt. Get to the gym ya dorks.
Is Lobo a fallen angel?
And they are all from the radiant of The Pleiades, space falls. The host is the star cluster, or a pile of seeds, or grapes, or mistletoe, etc. Nobody thinks that a bit conspicuous? Or, what about riding a Bull like a surfboard with a Thunderweapon. Oh, and the rattles of The Feathered Serpent, originating from the same area by The Golden Gate of the Ecliptic - Pearly Gates?
Depends on the perspective perhaps
Nope, it’s all the same Source just from different cultures and perspectives. A lot of the descriptions of course are from our perspectives so They have been misunderstood some in holy books.
That’s kinda like the Tower of Babel only with religion.
Yeah I heard a theory that demons were assigned people groups to rule as their deities, but Israel's God assigned himself Israel. When "all authority in heaven and earth is given to" the Messiah (Mat 28), that's when they lost their place to God's chosen ruler of all.
They called Odin the wandering Jew said he was a mockery of Jesus even tho Odins history as Wotan and Woden is a lot older
Yhwh is also a demon who has tricked people into believing he is a god.
Funnily enough, I first heard this in E.Q.
Well it definitely lead to needing clarification.
Was anyone else really distracted by the dude’s two hair portions looking like horns?
Islam has something similar as regards the reasoning. They say that Allah sent a prophet to each of the nations, but most got corrupted except Mohammed, which is why there are lots of (false) religions. People are very good at inventing post hocs to explain why they are special, it seems.
its not really inventing post hocs, its logical, the older religions have barely any records of them and over time the stories and ideas probably morphed into something different, this also happens for history with various myths and whacky stories being added to real documented events, and the reason why Mohammed's message isn't corrupt is because it is a well kept ORAL tradition and recent enough to have proof of its preservation in the form of a manuscript that dates back to the time when he lived and it matches perfectly the modern Qur'an, there is no manuscript from the first century of Christianity (its 500 years older than islam so it makes sense) and judaism is even older and its manuscripts far more recent than its supposed origins.
As evidence of corruption being an actual process, the qur'an maybe perfectly preserved due to the oral tradition, but hadith was not orally transmitted and thus contains a lot of weirdness and contradictions and is in the process of being corrupted, every politically motivated group will point to dubious hadiths to push their agenda and reinterpret hadiths however they see fit.
The ones that do the most amount of post hoc rationalisation are atheists who start from the idea that god can't be real and religion is just an invention then they come up with explanations they can't prove and defend those explanations purely with mockery and a condescending attitude.
@entertainproxi9140 Yes, they really are post hocs. They are explanations after the fact to make an observation fit your worldview in lieu of data analysis.
My pet theory's that people read 1. Corinthians 8,4-7 and 10,19-22 and conflated 'demons' with 'fallen angels'.
Given that no god, titan, demon, devil, angel, witch, warlock, wizard, ogre, elf, troll or any other supernatural being ever existed except in the minds of evil, manipulative men and those that serve them, I wonder what difference it makes which imaginary being is top dog. The world is awash with idiots.
Or ‘God’ was the rebel who got cast out. His brother’s and sister’s might be just shaking their heads in dismay.
Talk about a disturbingly ethnocentric way of looking at things.
I still believe that YHWH and other deities were actual beings who were seen as Gods and perhaps made people believe they were. If you look at the stories of the OT these beings were physical beings, they were there eating, drinking, fighting wars, demanding war tribute/woman etc etc.
And that these beings were going around the globe and were known like different deities like Odin, Zeus, etc etc.
The God the Father that Jesus spoke of was love and nothing like the OT tyrant
If they only knew that none of the gods were real they and their mythology are symbolic allegory
The Jews believed the Gods of other people's god's where literal Gods not demons,it was with the New testament Era that these gods started being called demons
Acting like Zeus is way out of character for YHWH, but pretending to be YHWH is absolutely something Zeus would do...
"So YHWH is Zeus?!?"
"Always has been!"
So who is EL and Asherah?????
Ah, a reminder of the good-ol-days: El is was eventually codified into the one YHWH top dog. Ashera was his wife (from a better time)
I'm not sure they know what a _conspiracy_ is.
Most human beings today and throughout history are not, were not Christian (most humans are Asian). This is God's Plan? Sounds to me more like ancient Jewish tribal folk tales. And I don't mean that sarcastically.
There is nobody Christians won't insult.
Makes total sense, now pass the dube… 💨💨💨
Someone told this to the kid on a playground
Nice hat. Shame he cross-threaded it on.
My imaginary friend says that your imaginary friend is fake
Oh sky cake...why are you so deeeeeliciousssssss?
It is remarkable that God's from around the world and throughout history had many similar characteristics. This is between people who had no contact with one another. One conclusion could be that these God's came from the same source.
@@edwardvan5808 That is one conclusion, but you would need evidence to support that conclusion.
@@stubbwinkley4015 I said "one conclusion COULD be". Not "the conclusion IS". Globallly these Gods are similar. How could that be? Everyone can take a guess, what's yours?
@@edwardvan5808 Well, my conclusion is that there isn’t any evidence to support this claim, so I don’t see any reason to believe it’s true. In fact, for any given major religion or belief system, there’s plenty of anthropological evidence that you could use to trace back the earliest origins.
What’s your evidence?
@@stubbwinkley4015 From my own research into mythological Gods I noticed numerous traits that are remarkably similar between the Gods. That is my evidence.
You have concluded there isn't any evidence to support this claim. What claim? I made no claim. I am asking questions.
@ I’m trying to say this possible conclusion you’re talking about isn’t a valid conclusion. It has no data to support it, and it has a lot of data against it.
There are constant rumors too that certain teachings are kept from the public and only granted access to "the initiated," a common theme with Freemasonry which literally means a free builder/architect which would be a nod to Creation theory and wanting to be free of God's divine control to build a world to their design (I was a DeMolay so...). As much and as desperate as those that consider themselves the "thinking men" of our age to escape what they consider "traditions" is these things are also foundational to our way of explaining and communicating our world to this day. For example, the event in 2020 (avoiding automated censors) is based on the goat god Pan (the evil spirit of the woods - we're not out of the woods yet), where the word panic comes from, and pan-dem-ic means panic of the people - the root of this being an irrational fear of the air (Pan's flute created this with sound in the air) which is questionable why we would use it as a basis for fact. So as fun as it is to poke fun at believers, you might want to inform your "thinking society" so they stop leveraging these words oblivious to their root cause and nature (pun intended). Or just accept there's something to it all, and it's probably best not to mock it.
No, pandemic comes from the two Greek words pan -meaning “all”- and dēmos -meaning “people”. It has nothing to so with air or the god Pan. Just because words sound the same doesn’t mean they are. Also, the Greek for air is aer.
Words change meaning and when people use it without knowing or caring about the origin, then the word no longer means that in their usage. I'm not sure how many sounds the human vocal system can make and how many combinations there are, but they have all probably been used for something else already. A lot of the words in Ancient Greek came from Proto-Indo-European, and PIE was probably late to the party of making words by a several tens of millennia.
Anyway, Wiktionary says the etymology is from the Greek _pandemos_ meaning "of or belonging to all the people", with "pan" from the Proto-Indo-European _peh2_ meaning "to protect, shepherd" plus the PIE _deh2_ meaning "to divide, share". Wikipedia says the name of the Greek God Pan comes from a PIE god named _peh2uson_ also etymologically related to PIE _peh2_. So, if it is cognate, it may be a sibling instead of a parent.
Just look at the change in the meaning of other words, like _planet_ and how it went from "wanderer" to _planetes Asteres_ meaning "wandering star" to a generic meaning of "a large non-stellar object" to "a large sub-stellar object that can clear its orbit but only orbits around the star named Sol". Of course, the last meaning is new and only applies to members of the IAU.
But pandemic is formed regularly as pan- demic, “throughout the people”, strictly parallel to epi- demic, “on the people”, and en- demic, “particular to the people”, and is unrelated to panic (which is, as you might expect, pan +ic, not pan- ic).
Or perhaps I missed your point?
[Edited for typo, and changed one - to a + to block TH-cam's psychotic markup logic triggering.]
More figments of overactive imaginations.
There are not gods, nor angels, fallen or otherwise. Grow up. Not devil or satan or whatever.
A: No.
Next question.
Egypt Gods, Persian Gods, West Africans Gods, the Pre America Gods etc!!!
They’re not fallen angels. They’re Goa'uld.
Know your God is just an asura. He was originally just the Hebrew war god but he tricked their entire people and eventually all the religions that broke off of their religion into worshiping him instead of the actual creator. I have had two near death experiences I know for 100% fact he is the true God. Jesus was actually a teacher of Dharma but his teachings were twisted to guy the evil old testament
That’s how early Jewish traditions made sense of other cultures having different gods?? If u look at Christopher Langan he has a model of reality & talks about how different cultures have beliefs that hav correlations with science & some of those beliefs may actually point to truth about reality. The way u say cultures created beliefs to explain reality is very “blind” & if that’s how a “scholar” sees spirituality then it’s a false way of explaining it. Maybe then scholars should only explain facts & dates & stay out of aspect of explaining spirituality or admit they dnt know why certain religions beliefs exist instead of creating an answer u dnt know but pretend to know.
No, they are ghosts of Christmas past.
These ideas are extremely myopic and lack any understanding of history.
The gods, originally called the Anunnaki or Igigi appear in the literature after 3100 BCE but there are artistic representations that stem from the Uruk period. The systems which we called pantheons appear in the Bronze Age, but probably had precedences in the Copper age and evolved from shamanistic spirits that get transmitted with trade and colonization and are reshaped by language and culture.
By the time we have any evidence that people might be praying to a YHW/A god, there were at least 3000 gods in the Fertile Crescent and Egypt, not to mention the gods of Europe and Indus Valley.
YHWH appears in the inscriptions 400 years later after the late Bronze Age collapse after the majority of these gods disappeared. They did not fall, the people who worshipped them either died out, or they abandoned those gods because there were too few people left to carry the tradition. To state is succinctly, people created gods and then people could no longer observe those gods for a variety of reasons.
YHWH appears in the inscription literature among a pantheon of pre-existing gods and YHWH was in a pantheon called the Elohim. One of the forms of Yahweh worship, the golden calf cult of Luz clearly recognizes that YHWH is the youthful god in a place otherwise called Bêt’el or the House of El. El was the father god of the Elohim, a pantheon of gods recognized in Ugarit and in Deir Alla inscription and also by inference in Deuteronomy 32:8. In the time of Ugarit, there were 4 pantheons recognized in the city, so being in the Elohim was not a generic representation, but a specific representation, a proper name, for a specific pantheon. The name Elohim was usurped by the Yahwist of the late first temple period.
Is Satan a fallen Angel? This is a misunderstanding of Christian writers of the Hebrew Bible. Nor did the gods in these other belief revolt against Yahweh and disappear. HaSatan is a story prop in the book of Job because god needs a gambling buddy.
The beginning of the end for the Mesopotamian gods begins under Assyrian domination with the rise of the power god Asshur, who following the Enuma Elis, usurped the power of 100s of other gods. Asshur was destroyed by the Median confederation and Babylon and was replaced by Marduk. Toward the end of the Babylonian period Marduk was falling out of favor and as one of the most ancient gods Suen/Nanna began to rise in popularity as Akkad and Sumer came to end. As this occurred many of the state festivals lost importance under Persian rule. The Greeks invaded and they had a bad habit of trying to syncretize their gods with eastern gods they very poorly understood. This further weakened the culture and many legacy sites like Eridu dwindled to a skeleton crew of priesthood. Cities that managed to survive the establishment of the Parthian empire would either be destroyed or force to serve Allah under the Islamic Caliphates.
However, the some of the stories of these old gods did manage to survive veiled in the theology of the Hebrew Bible.
pshhh the fallen angels are us. end of story 😅
Ask an exorcist
Nah. Just me, baby.
Oh so this is saying my god is good and other's people gods are bad? Silly humans
This women does not know the real story.
The idea that the gods of other nations are demons appears in 1 Corinthians 10:20-21, which appears to be influenced by the LXX of Psalm 96:5 (95:5 in the LXX; cf. 1 Chronicles 16:26).
How convenient that other people s gods r demons but only Jewish god is a true god