This is exactly why I always ask who "us" is in Romans 8:38-39. When you realize that Paul considers everyone a child of God (Us) and is persuaded that nothing can separate us from the agapes tou Theou, there isn't much to fight about anymore.
@@ronjones1414 The Bible,( as are these verses), is written to believers. The Bible also teaches that no matter who it is, we are to love all people. So whether they are children of God or not, we're to love everyone and treat them right. The Bible is pretty clear on this. I mean this is basic Christianity. We don't have to do mental gymnastics with God's word to know He wants us to love everyone with His agape love. God's children are those who have been adopted into the family of God.
The problem that I see is that people who 'other' other people won't stop. They'll find another authority to give them permission to overtly hate. The former (and hopefully not future) President, for instance.
It’s kinda crazy how trought centuries the church betrayed Jesus’s basic teachings and denied his actions : - they became exlcusif when he was inclusif. - They built an institutional system when he didn’t. - They looked for power and alied politcal power with religion when he didn’t ruled. - They wrote tons of books when didn’t write anything. - They made him western when wasn’t. He was a dude from Middle East. They kept women away from their religious system establishing a misogynistic system when Jesus was close to them. 🤔
The Jesus we can construct Yeshua of Nazara was a mystic and was teaching mysticism. That was their stairway to heaven, but his inner circle was Jewish. While these followers of the way were inclusive of the lower ranks of Jewish society of their day, Jesus of the NT calls a gentile woman a dog, which she challenges him. The pericope of the sinful woman, as reconstructed by Dennis McDonald has a woman being brought to be stoned, but they relent nor does she repent. The act was not forgiving her, but a critique of the right to judge. This is a major point because I believe that he was anti-Saducee, anti-high priest, and anti-Herodian. In otherwise words he was against the pious authorities. When we get to the Jacobian movement as inherited by his brother there was a clear line of thought that statements of faith were inadequate that the obedience to the law (Jewish) must be observed and tested as to demonstrate the stamina of their commitment. As stated in the gospel do as they say, not as they do. So in this regard, all were not equal. That was before the fall of the temple. After the fall of the Temple exclusive ideas don’t work well when the Jewish population is spiraling. These stringent rules seem to be absent in the secret sayings of Jesus (Tomas). Elaine Pagels has a couple of videos on the topic of ‘divinity’ with respect to the gospels of John and Tomas. She affirms that the author was affirming a doorway to the divine, but that Christian’s are not following the authors intent. These text were elective text for individuals who saw their movement being challenged by the apocalyptic failures of the mid/late second century and they are basically providing another pathway to the kingdom of heaven through mysticism. With regard to what Dan states. Pretty much correct but with caveats. Declaring oneself a god may have some immediate power benefit, but if your dynasty cannot keep a hold on things there was often Backlash. Naram Sin, who declared himself a god but who grandson lost to a bunch of barbarians was not nearly as popular in the subsequent literature as Sargon the great. In these cases Sargon was trying to expand the influence of Akkad and Sumer, whereas Naram Sin was trying to contract the authority of various temple polities under his own. As Israel was throughly polytheistic during the Early Iron Age many of the gods where from Mesopotamia or had indirect connections to Mesopotamian. The system of gods generally had priests, the high priest was essentially the mouth of god, the warrior king the arms. To understand this we have the story of Adapa and the South wind. According to the legend/myth Adapa was a powerful mystic. The high gods saw that he was two powerful and so they wanted him in their council, but Adapa’s god tricked into think they were trying to poison him and was denied. Enki’s lesson to Adapa….you are here to serve. Aspects of the story of Apkallu are found in the book of Jonah. So the issue here about sons of god is actually a call to power. If city X, say Shuruppak, is attacked, then the sons of An are called to help their brother by defeating the sons of another high god, in this case probably Amurru. But during the reigns of the last kings of Israel, Judah divided itself from the other tribes and peoples, so there were no other “children of god” to call on. This point was actually made in the Bible essentially saying, those other gods are dead, they did not come forth to help Israel or us (Judea). As Judea after Yosiah stood alone the Bene Elohim become the zealots who willing to stand up and fight. As history and archaeology showed, during Judeas last days most every city outside of Jerusalem did not stand up and survived. After the return Jerusalem was largely a child state of the Persian and Greek empires until the Maccabean revolt. So we get to Jesus and his rebel Jews. The Maccabean revolt offered great promise, but after the reign of Salome Alexander the unified Jewish state devolved into infighting until Herod took over and while he was rather supportive of the Jerusalem elite, things did not go well for the people who, often forcibly converted to Judaism were force to live under Herod’s oppression. When Herod dies there were several attempted revolts and again these Jews willing to stand against oppression and corruption were seen as Bene Elohim or mini-Messiah’s. It’s more or less the inspirational rhetoric of rebellion.
>they became exlcusif when he was inclusif. Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher who believed that the wicked would be destroyed and the righteous would have eternity in heaven. His vision was inherently exclusive. >They built an institutional system when he didn’t. True. No point in building institutions if the world is going to end soon. >They looked for power and alied politcal power with religion when he didn’t ruled. Jesus was executed for insurrection. He wasn't apolitical. He was unsuccessful at politics. >They wrote tons of books when didn’t write anything. True. No point in writing stuff down if the world is going to end soon. >They made him western when wasn’t. He was a dude from Middle East. True. Their painters got his skin color wrong. >They kept women away from their religious system establishing a misogynistic system when Jesus was close to them. The way the Catholics explain it Jesus only ordained men and those men only ordained other men. I don't know if Jesus meant to create a misogynistic system or not. But that is what he did.
@@Sewblon Don’t believe everything you read in the gospels, in fact it’s best to attribute as little as possible to Jesus. There is no hell in Judaism, an eternity in heaven meant the kingdom of heaven on earth, as in Jerusalem.
@@Darisiabgal7573 I don't know about present day Judaism. But Greco-Roman period Judaism did have Hell. Just watch Dan McClellan's videos about hell. What Jesus believed was that the wicked would be resurrected, then killed again, whereas the righteous would be resurrected, then live forever, if Genetically Modified Skeptic is telling the truth.
As an atheist and former Christian, I want to make you two questions: "Are not-Jewish (or not-Christians) sons of God? And if not, whose son am I, a non believer (or a Buddhist, a Muslim, etc)?".
Serious question. What is even the point of Christianity if the majority of its dogmas and biblical interpretations are undoubtedly false? If these are just man-made documents that can only be read when understood in its time, place, and context, then is there even a faith left anymore? Not trying to be cynical just asking a genuine question.
Many false prophets and teachers out there. We were warned. Read it by yourself and have a personal relationship with Abba and Jesus and things will be revealed to you and put on your heart. Genuine answer formulated from experience. Be blessed.
I don't believe in the whole "Jesus will come and sit in judgement of the world" thing, but I kind of think it would be funny for that to happen and all the Christian nationalists to be shocked and horrified when Jesus says "I explicitly told you to be inclusive when defining neighbors in this passage."
It’s your choice to believe it or not but the most relevant part of Jesus remarks about the Last Judgement when all are separated into one of two categories- sheep or goats - is that the basis for the separation is not what creed you believe, nor what prayer you uttered, but rather it is ‘what did you do?’ Matt 25 v 44-45 is explicit, those condemned will say to the judge, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ In this context the Children of God encompasses all whoever lived
@@leom6343 I never said that at all. We are saved only because of Jesus sacrifice and his defeat of the power of sin over the world - however the Bible is clear that words are cheap and that true faith, true conversion, is known by its fruits. Jesus tells us that if the fig tree is barren then it will be cut down and burned.
An enlightening discussion. In my puerile ignorance, I have always just innocently assumed all human beings (and indeed all living things) are children of God, created in some sense in the Divine image. As an only child, the idea of sibling rivalries has always been something of an uncomfortable mystery to me.
@@Grauenwolf Indeed, people say God never changes; but human conceptions of, and approaches to, the Divine have obviously continuously evolved over millennia. (Otherwise, Dan would have to seek out some other form of gainful employment. )
i have a huge question Dan! I read that early Christians used to believe in reincarnation until they brutally removed all the verses about reincarnation from the bible. Do you know about this? can you explain? huge fan here.
@@Mik-ha-El are you dumb? 543 AD According to one book, Emperor Justinian I removed reincarnation from Christian orthodox doctrines. Justinian believed reincarnation threatened the Roman Empire and conspired with bishops to stop people from questioning their divine origins, the purpose of life, and the need for an emperor. there is a huge debate in the early bible history.
@@Mik-ha-El are you dumb or what? In AD 543, the then ruler of the Roman Empire, Emperor Justinian I, blatantly and brutally removed the Teachings of reincarnation from the scriptures of Christian orthodox doctrines. For the first 500 years of Christianity, reincarnation was a vital component of Christian doctrines.
This brought up an interesting question, which I suspect you've covered. How did _HaSatan_ -- God's loyal and faithful servant -- become _Satan_ , the Christian god of evil?
There are two meanings of "children of God" clearly defined biblically. All humans are physical children of God because God designed & created us. All humans must become spiritual children of God. As physical children we die, as spiritual children we live.
Hey Dan, would you be willing to comment on Jeffrey R. Holland's talk at general conference this last Sunday? It felt like he was trying to put qualifiers on who God loves, as well as who and how Latter-Day Saints should love. I don't know if it was intentional, but the whole conference seemed full of messages that said, "Hey you're caring about these sinners too much." As a queer person, it felt like they were telling my LDS family and friends to not be supportive for the sake of obedience to the commandments. I get it if you're still under contract from your former employment not to say anything about church leadership, or you just don't feel comfortable commenting on general conference. If you do, it would be greatly appreciated. TLDR, could you comment on Elder Holland's "qualifiers" on Jesus' love, as described in the Bible?
How does this match up with the idea your explained in a previous video that Elohim was over one certain part of the land and other gods were in other locations? Is this part of the renegotiation at later dates to make Elohim more inclusive?
Yeah, he had another video recently where during or just after the Exilic period YHWH was made god of all nations so that the Israelites captive in Babylon could still worship them.
The children of God.... thriving in their father's house Only to stand with their perfumed feet as adults; preaching, waiting to be cut down at any moment. Throwing altars that were never required out the window. Quite a few intrinsic qualities that lot.
Do you think Paul's evil "God of this world" (possibly Belial) was thought of as a son of Elyon, or as its own eternal or self-generated entity? Or was this just a later demiurge-believer's interpolation, and we can't figure out much more about it?
We ARE NOT ALL children of God. Some are of the devil. It is explicitly mentioned in the Bible. Are children of God only those who obey Abba and does His Will and have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. Through Him, we are reconciled. Without Him, no reconcilation. No relationship.
I think the sons of God in Genesis is cain and his offspring since Seth is specifically mentioned as being made in Adams image and it does not say eve got a man with the help of the Lord like it does with cain and Abel.
@@josephcole38 If you re-read your initial post, you may spot the ambiguity in the last phrase: " it does not say eve got a man with the help of the Lord like it does with cain and Abel."
I don't think it's unclear. Israel is sometimes called the "children of God" but this is because a nation in the Bible is the territory of a "son of God", in Israel's case that person is Jacob the son of Isaac, the only "son" (nation) not disinherited by God, and his descendants are all Israelites. And if I'm not mistaken, Paul believes that Jesus is simultaneously Jacob's descendant and also God Himself, magically entering his evangelizers and thus conferring some part of his sonship to them, in a new covenant that aims to finalize this disinheritance. So it's just that same idea being invoked once again.
It looks to me like Deuteronomy 32:8 says that the nations were divided according to the number of the sons of Israel. Edit: nevermind, I see now 4Q37.
In 2000 years, will people misinterpret your video because the caption reads 'littoral' instead of 'literal' or are we going to have evolved to be able to read everything in context and without bias? ;)
As per Torah laws Judaism all righteous gentiles are blessed and have a good place in world to come as in Isaiah 2 and 11 Ezekiel 37 first time Messiah comes no second coming of Messiah in Hebrew scripture. In Synagogue we pray three times a day every day for gentiles well being. All people equally loved by HaShem. תודה רבה שלום
Hey Dan! do you have any theologically sound books to read or videos to watch? You dragged me out of conservative Christianity and need some new theology.
Mashuga, not children, “sons of god” only females described are the maidens by the river of blood that flowed from the lambs wound. Remember him, described in other parts as the wounded warrior. Uhg. Who cares eh.
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That's why Islamic concept makes more sense which states that God neither begets nor is begotten. The Islamic faith also stressess the importance of our role on earth as "Khalifa". Hence, neither of us are either created in His image or His children
Are all quantum waves “children of The Wave?” The answer to this depends upon whether you accept the Copenhagen interpretation of Quantum Mechanics or the Many-Worlds interpretation of Quantum Mechanics.
Did Dan just appeal to Orthodox tradition ? He uses acts to make comments about paul ? Is acts relable Dan ? You pick an choose your sources when it suits you .
Deuteronomy 10:17-18 “For the LORD( YHWH ) your God '( ELOHIM)' is the God of gods and Lord of lords. He is the great God, the mighty and awesome God, who shows no partiality and cannot be bribed.
Wow, a little triggered huh! Last I checked Act is in the NT. So how is referring to it as a source for what the NT says about children of God a problem? It quotes Paul as saying X about children of God! How is any of this making a comment about Paul from Dan's point of view and not Luke's? How is Dan making any claim about Act's reliability by showing a NT source that has a perspective on children of God? LMAO! You seemingly can't pay attention!
To be clear to ALL OF YOU, I do know that the henotheistic cult of Yahweh DID exist. But it did, OVER TIME, grow heavy in its opposition to the worship of other gods. We all know about King Josiah too. And after the fall of Judah and the start of the Babylonian captivity, a some priests and scribes developed the concept of Yahweh as the sole God of the world. The Babylonian Talmud references other, "foreign gods" as non-existent entities to whom humans mistakenly ascribe reality and power. The Second of Maimonides' 13 Principles of faith: God, the Cause of all, is one. This does not mean one as in one of a pair, nor one like a species (which encompasses many individuals), nor one as in an object that is made up of many elements, nor as a single simple object that is infinitely divisible. Rather, God is a unity, unlike any other possible unity.[ We all know that Jews, Muslims and MORMONS do not like our idea of monotheism.... Aint't that right Dan????????/
“Sons of God originally referred to those who had a special relationship with God - except in the beginning, that did refer to literal children of God with his consort” No such idea exists in the Bible.
Who is this Dan telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do? Jesus clearly stated lest a man be born again, that is, born of the Spirit, you can't enter the kingdom. Only those in Christ will become God's children and be saved.
People been saved before Jesus pbuh as only GOD can save just like how GOD saved Jesus pbuh and also GOD has no literal children also Jesus pbuh never seen the Bible that was written that we have today as it was written years after GOD took Jesus pbuh to heaven
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I am not a child and I don't need or want to be "saved".
The kingdom of heaven/God is whith is not something external or in another dimension Acctually when Jesus was crucified the whole humanity was baptized by his blood and the whole humanity become children of God. The point is that in greek being a "son" is more and superior that being a "child" because a child is like a baby that can really lisent or follow or obey their parents properly, while a son is more mature and more capable of following and obeying his parents. Saint Apostle Pavel/Paul said that we must become sons not children
"my children go forth and unalive those other children of mine"
Lol...family dramas amirite
I love that you broke it down to one simple thing; do better. That works better for everyone.
Excellent. Very comprehensive reply and am really thankful for your hard work.
This is exactly why I always ask who "us" is in Romans 8:38-39. When you realize that Paul considers everyone a child of God (Us) and is persuaded that nothing can separate us from the agapes tou Theou, there isn't much to fight about anymore.
Romans 8 isn’t talking about everyone, it’s talking about those in covenant relationship with God through Christ. Of course everyone is invited.
@Mikha335 this is rare occasion where Dan and I completely agree.
@@ronjones1414 The Bible,( as are these verses), is written to believers. The Bible also teaches that no matter who it is, we are to love all people. So whether they are children of God or not, we're to love everyone and treat them right. The Bible is pretty clear on this. I mean this is basic Christianity. We don't have to do mental gymnastics with God's word to know He wants us to love everyone with His agape love. God's children are those who have been adopted into the family of God.
That "You need to do better" just hits different and i hope those who need to hear it (myself not excluded) also listen.
Excellent.
Thank you again, Dan!
Thanks!
Preach champ
Why do I always find you on every content I grace upon
A hearty Amen is my response to the prophetic scolding/reminder at the end.
I would love a series on how we are to use our dogma to respond to the data. I think we need both.
Thanks Dan. ❤
Another great video, thanks.
I admire your integrity.
Wonderful message. Green Lantern, eh? I suppose that's why "no evil shall escape [your] sight"?
Green Lantern was my favorite
Amazing video. Would love to see more like this where you help us see how a scholar constructs meaning from the text.
Very good thanks Dan
The problem that I see is that people who 'other' other people won't stop. They'll find another authority to give them permission to overtly hate. The former (and hopefully not future) President, for instance.
❤❤❤❤❤❤ thanks Dan!!
It’s kinda crazy how trought centuries the church betrayed Jesus’s basic teachings and denied his actions :
- they became exlcusif when he was inclusif.
- They built an institutional system when he didn’t.
- They looked for power and alied politcal power with religion when he didn’t ruled.
- They wrote tons of books when didn’t write anything.
- They made him western when wasn’t. He was a dude from Middle East.
They kept women away from their religious system establishing a misogynistic system when Jesus was close to them. 🤔
The Jesus we can construct Yeshua of Nazara was a mystic and was teaching mysticism. That was their stairway to heaven, but his inner circle was Jewish. While these followers of the way were inclusive of the lower ranks of Jewish society of their day, Jesus of the NT calls a gentile woman a dog, which she challenges him.
The pericope of the sinful woman, as reconstructed by Dennis McDonald has a woman being brought to be stoned, but they relent nor does she repent. The act was not forgiving her, but a critique of the right to judge. This is a major point because I believe that he was anti-Saducee, anti-high priest, and anti-Herodian. In otherwise words he was against the pious authorities.
When we get to the Jacobian movement as inherited by his brother there was a clear line of thought that statements of faith were inadequate that the obedience to the law (Jewish) must be observed and tested as to demonstrate the stamina of their commitment. As stated in the gospel do as they say, not as they do.
So in this regard, all were not equal.
That was before the fall of the temple. After the fall of the Temple exclusive ideas don’t work well when the Jewish population is spiraling. These stringent rules seem to be absent in the secret sayings of Jesus (Tomas). Elaine Pagels has a couple of videos on the topic of ‘divinity’ with respect to the gospels of John and Tomas. She affirms that the author was affirming a doorway to the divine, but that Christian’s are not following the authors intent. These text were elective text for individuals who saw their movement being challenged by the apocalyptic failures of the mid/late second century and they are basically providing another pathway to the kingdom of heaven through mysticism.
With regard to what Dan states. Pretty much correct but with caveats.
Declaring oneself a god may have some immediate power benefit, but if your dynasty cannot keep a hold on things there was often Backlash. Naram Sin, who declared himself a god but who grandson lost to a bunch of barbarians was not nearly as popular in the subsequent literature as Sargon the great. In these cases Sargon was trying to expand the influence of Akkad and Sumer, whereas Naram Sin was trying to contract the authority of various temple polities under his own.
As Israel was throughly polytheistic during the Early Iron Age many of the gods where from Mesopotamia or had indirect connections to Mesopotamian. The system of gods generally had priests, the high priest was essentially the mouth of god, the warrior king the arms. To understand this we have the story of Adapa and the South wind. According to the legend/myth Adapa was a powerful mystic. The high gods saw that he was two powerful and so they wanted him in their council, but Adapa’s god tricked into think they were trying to poison him and was denied. Enki’s lesson to Adapa….you are here to serve. Aspects of the story of Apkallu are found in the book of Jonah.
So the issue here about sons of god is actually a call to power. If city X, say Shuruppak, is attacked, then the sons of An are called to help their brother by defeating the sons of another high god, in this case probably Amurru.
But during the reigns of the last kings of Israel, Judah divided itself from the other tribes and peoples, so there were no other “children of god” to call on. This point was actually made in the Bible essentially saying, those other gods are dead, they did not come forth to help Israel or us (Judea).
As Judea after Yosiah stood alone the Bene Elohim become the zealots who willing to stand up and fight. As history and archaeology showed, during Judeas last days most every city outside of Jerusalem did not stand up and survived. After the return Jerusalem was largely a child state of the Persian and Greek empires until the Maccabean revolt.
So we get to Jesus and his rebel Jews. The Maccabean revolt offered great promise, but after the reign of Salome Alexander the unified Jewish state devolved into infighting until Herod took over and while he was rather supportive of the Jerusalem elite, things did not go well for the people who, often forcibly converted to Judaism were force to live under Herod’s oppression. When Herod dies there were several attempted revolts and again these Jews willing to stand against oppression and corruption were seen as Bene Elohim or mini-Messiah’s. It’s more or less the inspirational rhetoric of rebellion.
That's because modern "Christians" are actually Paulites; they follow the teachings of Paul, not the Jesus that they think existed.
>they became exlcusif when he was inclusif.
Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher who believed that the wicked would be destroyed and the righteous would have eternity in heaven. His vision was inherently exclusive.
>They built an institutional system when he didn’t.
True. No point in building institutions if the world is going to end soon.
>They looked for power and alied politcal power with religion when he didn’t ruled.
Jesus was executed for insurrection. He wasn't apolitical. He was unsuccessful at politics.
>They wrote tons of books when didn’t write anything.
True. No point in writing stuff down if the world is going to end soon.
>They made him western when wasn’t. He was a dude from Middle East.
True. Their painters got his skin color wrong.
>They kept women away from their religious system establishing a misogynistic system when Jesus was close to them.
The way the Catholics explain it Jesus only ordained men and those men only ordained other men. I don't know if Jesus meant to create a misogynistic system or not. But that is what he did.
@@Sewblon Don’t believe everything you read in the gospels, in fact it’s best to attribute as little as possible to Jesus. There is no hell in Judaism, an eternity in heaven meant the kingdom of heaven on earth, as in Jerusalem.
@@Darisiabgal7573 I don't know about present day Judaism. But Greco-Roman period Judaism did have Hell. Just watch Dan McClellan's videos about hell. What Jesus believed was that the wicked would be resurrected, then killed again, whereas the righteous would be resurrected, then live forever, if Genetically Modified Skeptic is telling the truth.
As an atheist and former Christian, I want to make you two questions: "Are not-Jewish (or not-Christians) sons of God? And if not, whose son am I, a non believer (or a Buddhist, a Muslim, etc)?".
Serious question. What is even the point of Christianity if the majority of its dogmas and biblical interpretations are undoubtedly false? If these are just man-made documents that can only be read when understood in its time, place, and context, then is there even a faith left anymore? Not trying to be cynical just asking a genuine question.
No point. Not needed.
The Christian cult wants to control….. no point of the Christian cult, just lies and hate…….
Many false prophets and teachers out there. We were warned. Read it by yourself and have a personal relationship with Abba and Jesus and things will be revealed to you and put on your heart. Genuine answer formulated from experience. Be blessed.
@ that includes ALL in the Christian cult! All False!
Can you do a video about the significance of a Samaritan being the the one who help the man?
I don't believe in the whole "Jesus will come and sit in judgement of the world" thing, but I kind of think it would be funny for that to happen and all the Christian nationalists to be shocked and horrified when Jesus says "I explicitly told you to be inclusive when defining neighbors in this passage."
I'd rather do something else, or nothing.
Jesus:" I am not God Almighty"
Xtians:" Did you read the bible? You just don't understand the trinity".
It’s your choice to believe it or not but the most relevant part of Jesus remarks about the Last Judgement when all are separated into one of two categories- sheep or goats - is that the basis for the separation is not what creed you believe, nor what prayer you uttered, but rather it is ‘what did you do?’
Matt 25 v 44-45 is explicit, those condemned will say to the judge, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
In this context the Children of God encompasses all whoever lived
@@epincion this refutes the need of a human sacrifice or Jesus. If all are judged by their deeds, no one needs a human sacrifice
@@leom6343 I never said that at all. We are saved only because of Jesus sacrifice and his defeat of the power of sin over the world - however the Bible is clear that words are cheap and that true faith, true conversion, is known by its fruits.
Jesus tells us that if the fig tree is barren then it will be cut down and burned.
👍🏼Dan!
In brightest day, in blackest night, no evil shall escape my sight.
In brightest day, in blackest night, no evil shall escape my sight. Let those who worship evil's might beware my power Green Lantern's Light!
An enlightening discussion. In my puerile ignorance, I have always just innocently assumed all human beings (and indeed all living things) are children of God, created in some sense in the Divine image. As an only child, the idea of sibling rivalries has always been something of an uncomfortable mystery to me.
@@Grauenwolf Indeed, people say God never changes; but human conceptions of, and approaches to, the Divine have obviously continuously evolved over millennia. (Otherwise, Dan would have to seek out some other form of gainful employment. )
@@marshallmkerr Sadly, we are made in God's image. Foolish and prone to self destruction.
@@DentArthurDent68 An idea so powerful and incisive, it should only be spoken softly - lest it spook the cattle and inspire a stampede.
i have a huge question Dan! I read that early Christians used to believe in reincarnation until they brutally removed all the verses about reincarnation from the bible. Do you know about this? can you explain? huge fan here.
They didn’t
@@Mik-ha-El are you dumb? 543 AD
According to one book, Emperor Justinian I removed reincarnation from Christian orthodox doctrines. Justinian believed reincarnation threatened the Roman Empire and conspired with bishops to stop people from questioning their divine origins, the purpose of life, and the need for an emperor. there is a huge debate in the early bible history.
@@Mik-ha-El are you dumb or what? In AD 543, the then ruler of the Roman Empire, Emperor Justinian I, blatantly and brutally removed the Teachings of reincarnation from the scriptures of Christian orthodox doctrines. For the first 500 years of Christianity, reincarnation was a vital component of Christian doctrines.
@@EminemMnMMnM This is true.
Someone may have made this claim, but it is not based in actual history.
In your studies, is Ashera understood to be the Holy Spirit? If you’ve already covered this, in a video, I’m sorry I haven’t found it yet.
can you ellaborate on your expertise on good samaritan and your track record with this dogma? you still see yourself as chosen?
This brought up an interesting question, which I suspect you've covered. How did _HaSatan_ -- God's loyal and faithful servant -- become _Satan_ , the Christian god of evil?
There are two meanings of "children of God" clearly defined biblically.
All humans are physical children of God because God designed & created us.
All humans must become spiritual children of God.
As physical children we die, as spiritual children we live.
Hey Dan, would you be willing to comment on Jeffrey R. Holland's talk at general conference this last Sunday? It felt like he was trying to put qualifiers on who God loves, as well as who and how Latter-Day Saints should love. I don't know if it was intentional, but the whole conference seemed full of messages that said, "Hey you're caring about these sinners too much." As a queer person, it felt like they were telling my LDS family and friends to not be supportive for the sake of obedience to the commandments. I get it if you're still under contract from your former employment not to say anything about church leadership, or you just don't feel comfortable commenting on general conference. If you do, it would be greatly appreciated.
TLDR, could you comment on Elder Holland's "qualifiers" on Jesus' love, as described in the Bible?
How does this match up with the idea your explained in a previous video that Elohim was over one certain part of the land and other gods were in other locations? Is this part of the renegotiation at later dates to make Elohim more inclusive?
Yeah, he had another video recently where during or just after the Exilic period YHWH was made god of all nations so that the Israelites captive in Babylon could still worship them.
The children of God.... thriving in their father's house Only to stand with their perfumed feet as adults; preaching, waiting to be cut down at any moment. Throwing altars that were never required out the window. Quite a few intrinsic qualities that lot.
It's Shewtime!!🎉🎉🎉
Do you think Paul's evil "God of this world" (possibly Belial) was thought of as a son of Elyon, or as its own eternal or self-generated entity? Or was this just a later demiurge-believer's interpolation, and we can't figure out much more about it?
We should all do better.
Yep, without religion!
We ARE NOT ALL children of God. Some are of the devil. It is explicitly mentioned in the Bible. Are children of God only those who obey Abba and does His Will and have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. Through Him, we are reconciled. Without Him, no reconcilation. No relationship.
I think the sons of God in Genesis is cain and his offspring since Seth is specifically mentioned as being made in Adams image and it does not say eve got a man with the help of the Lord like it does with cain and Abel.
Cain and Abel had boyfriends?
Must be the Rainbow Bible
@@stephenlitten1789 boyfriends what are you talking about?
@@josephcole38 If you re-read your initial post, you may spot the ambiguity in the last phrase: " it does not say eve got a man with the help of the Lord like it does with cain and Abel."
Ok so you know what I meant.
How many evidence exist for Ashera, that he presents like the most likely reality.
I don't think it's unclear. Israel is sometimes called the "children of God" but this is because a nation in the Bible is the territory of a "son of God", in Israel's case that person is Jacob the son of Isaac, the only "son" (nation) not disinherited by God, and his descendants are all Israelites. And if I'm not mistaken, Paul believes that Jesus is simultaneously Jacob's descendant and also God Himself, magically entering his evangelizers and thus conferring some part of his sonship to them, in a new covenant that aims to finalize this disinheritance. So it's just that same idea being invoked once again.
It looks to me like Deuteronomy 32:8 says that the nations were divided according to the number of the sons of Israel.
Edit: nevermind, I see now 4Q37.
Anyone who writes his own book can say he's whatever he wants, chosen, special, privileged. It's his book a man wrote it .
The Japanese people are the children of Amaterasu. I’m not sure about the rest of us.
In 2000 years, will people misinterpret your video because the caption reads 'littoral' instead of 'literal' or are we going to have evolved to be able to read everything in context and without bias? ;)
I enjoyed that caption mistranslation as well
If Darwin is correct we will be monkeys again scratching our own asses
@@cameronroman506 Huh?
@ the movie Idiocracy explains it. It’s a great documentary everyone should watch at least once in their lifetime. Amazing edification material
...Fiiiirst? Edit: Nope, darnit!🤨
I'm not.
As per Torah laws Judaism all righteous gentiles are blessed and have a good place in world to come as in Isaiah 2 and 11 Ezekiel 37 first time Messiah comes no second coming of Messiah in Hebrew scripture.
In Synagogue we pray three times a day every day for gentiles well being.
All people equally loved by HaShem.
תודה רבה שלום
Hey Dan! do you have any theologically sound books to read or videos to watch? You dragged me out of conservative Christianity and need some new theology.
Only Canadians.
Something something Paternity Test & Child Support something something
Mashuga, not children, “sons of god” only females described are the maidens by the river of blood that flowed from the lambs wound. Remember him, described in other parts as the wounded warrior. Uhg. Who cares eh.
I don’t think anybody would be here without Him. He Made us 😊❤
Which god?
The native Americans still see elohim as heavenly father and heavenly mother. (Chief midegah, ojibwe nation).
It’s sad how the Christian cult perverted the Native’s beliefs. Shows how terrible the Christian cult has been in history!
Obviously this excepts the children of the devil. Rock on!
Israel is god's son/wife? Neat.
I'm retired at 47. went from Grass to Grace. This video here reminds me of my transformation from a nobody to good home, honest wife, $75K biweekly and a good daughter full of love God bless America🇺🇲❤️
Hello, how do you achieve such biweekly returns? As a single parent i haven't been able to get my own house due to financial struggles, but my faith in God remains strong.
I'm inspired.
Please spill some sugar about the biweekly stuff you mentioned
This is a definition of God's unending provisions for his people. God remains faithful to his words. 🙏 I receive this for my household
I raised 75k and Kate Elizabeth Becherer is to be thanked. I got my self my dream car 🚗 just last weekend, My journey with her started after my best friend came back from New York and saw me suffering in dept then told me about her and how to change my life through her.Kate Elizabeth Becherer is the kind of person one needs in his or her life! I got a home, a good wife, and a beautiful daughter. Note: this is not a promotion but me trying to make a point that no matter what happens, always have faith and keep living!
I started with a miserly $1500. The results have been mind blowing I must say TBH
That's why Islamic concept makes more sense which states that God neither begets nor is begotten.
The Islamic faith also stressess the importance of our role on earth as "Khalifa". Hence, neither of us are either created in His image or His children
yes, next question.
So, your conclusion is all people are considered children of God, except lawyers. Well, I'm SOL.
so.. Israel is YHWH's son-wife?
i mean i'm not judging..
It would be funny if god finally showed up and was like 'oh, this is awkward. Your not my kid. I never meant you, humanity.' :)
Are all quantum waves “children of The Wave?” The answer to this depends upon whether you accept the Copenhagen interpretation of Quantum Mechanics or the Many-Worlds interpretation of Quantum Mechanics.
Did Dan just appeal to Orthodox tradition ?
He uses acts to make comments about paul ?
Is acts relable Dan ?
You pick an choose your sources when it suits you .
Deuteronomy 10:17-18 “For the LORD( YHWH ) your God '( ELOHIM)' is the God of gods and Lord of lords. He is the great God, the mighty and awesome God, who shows no partiality and cannot be bribed.
Wow, a little triggered huh! Last I checked Act is in the NT. So how is referring to it as a source for what the NT says about children of God a problem? It quotes Paul as saying X about children of God! How is any of this making a comment about Paul from Dan's point of view and not Luke's? How is Dan making any claim about Act's reliability by showing a NT source that has a perspective on children of God? LMAO!
You seemingly can't pay attention!
@@VeridicusMaximus
Triggered ? Ha . No I don't have thin skin like most Americans
Show me your "god" so we can have a discussion.
Show me someone who doesn't understand the concept of "internal critique...."
Totally empty phrase. Means nothing.
Pretty much like the entire Bible……
All People are Creations of GOD ,but the Creations of GOD can Choose 'Free Will" to become Children of GOD..
Only if you follow Joseph Smith, right Dan?
To be clear to ALL OF YOU, I do know that the henotheistic cult of Yahweh DID exist. But it did, OVER TIME, grow heavy in its opposition to the worship of other gods.
We all know about King Josiah too. And after the fall of Judah and the start of the Babylonian captivity, a some priests and scribes developed the concept of Yahweh as the sole God of the world.
The Babylonian Talmud references other, "foreign gods" as non-existent entities to whom humans mistakenly ascribe reality and power.
The Second of Maimonides' 13 Principles of faith:
God, the Cause of all, is one. This does not mean one as in one of a pair, nor one like a species (which encompasses many individuals), nor one as in an object that is made up of many elements, nor as a single simple object that is infinitely divisible. Rather, God is a unity, unlike any other possible unity.[
We all know that Jews, Muslims and MORMONS do not like our idea of monotheism.... Aint't that right Dan????????/
No god. No children of god. Easy.
“Sons of God originally referred to those who had a special relationship with God - except in the beginning, that did refer to literal children of God with his consort”
No such idea exists in the Bible.
Who is this Dan telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do?
Jesus clearly stated lest a man be born again, that is, born of the Spirit, you can't enter the kingdom.
Only those in Christ will become God's children and be saved.
That's okay, I'm an anti-monarchist.
God has no literal children also people been saved before Jesus pbuh was born from the vagina
People been saved before Jesus pbuh as only GOD can save just like how GOD saved Jesus pbuh and also GOD has no literal children also Jesus pbuh never seen the Bible that was written that we have today as it was written years after GOD took Jesus pbuh to heaven
I am not a child and I don't need or want to be "saved".
The kingdom of heaven/God is whith is not something external or in another dimension
Acctually when Jesus was crucified the whole humanity was baptized by his blood and the whole humanity become children of God.
The point is that in greek being a "son" is more and superior that being a "child" because a child is like a baby that can really lisent or follow or obey their parents properly, while a son is more mature and more capable of following and obeying his parents.
Saint Apostle Pavel/Paul said that we must become sons not children