Thank you for the report. My dad was with CDF for 30+ years so this is in my blood. Your explanations are much clearer than their reports and contain details we care about.
Thank you, Zeke. Another fabulous video. And much food for thought that I had never even considered - the massive amounts of herbicide applied to the burned-over hillsides, to help the young trees to grow without competition. Thinking about all of that herbicide draining down the watershed and into the local streams and then on into the rivers. . . And, of course, the rivers supply much of the drinking water for millions of Central Valley residents. . . kind of makes my blood run cold. Thank you for yet another in-depth and informative stream.
I just found out about this travesty recently as the Forest Service actually sprayed the brush with herbicide from our Mountain town 2 miles to our Spring where our town water comes from, so pisses me off! I then go out to my favorite canyon last week only to find they sprayed both sides of this giant canyon for 6 miles all within 50' of a stream with trout in it!! Absolutely disgusted over this practice
@@billsmith8545 Hi billsmith8545! 🙂 I lived in the Sierra foothills for more than thirty years - my place was at about the same elevation and topography as is Paradise, but not near to Paradise. The paved road that ran out in front of my house for a couple of miles had a kind of natural drainage ditch that ran the length of the road on my side of the road in the small valley where I lived. The ditch along the road would retain water well into the summer, shaded by native plants and native grasses, and even after the water dried the ditch/culvert (whatever you want to call it) would remain moist. It was a magical haven for several different species of native frogs (and toads) from small tree frogs up to smallish bull frogs. It was enchanted listening on those warm summer nights, from the sharp peeps of the tree frogs to the soft boom of the bulls. After we had lived there for several years, one day the county showed up and sprayed the entire length of the ditch "for weeds". Never heard another frog that summer, after the spraying. The next year, there were the voices of a few frogs to be heard in early spring (although not nearly so many as before). . . and then they came and sprayed again. That was it for the frogs in the culvert along the road. I never heard them again after that. There was only silence, when before I had heard joy. The county continued to spray every year, year after year. The frogs and other small native species that had once lived and flourished along the road in the moist ditch didn't have a chance. I most sincerely hope that your trout - and you and your neighbors - fare better than did my sweet little frogs.
Thank you for these videos. I keep looking for news to give all my distant friends and relatives worried about us, and you give the best information. Your perspective is more helpful than others. It is appreciated.
Realistic outlook, Zeke. Amazing work on that fireline! That next terrain looks hard to hold. Safety first to all our firefighters with our gratitude! ❤
I enjoy your realism. Truly. My hunting partner is a 70 year old Vietnam Veteran and I’m a 52 year old Desert Storm Vet. We beat all that bush in his Jeep last year and had a bad feeling it would be on fire this year. Have a bunch of pictures of Sierra Pacific’s “kindling” piles all over up there just waiting for this special moment. All the decades we’ve been up there, never seen such a thing. As if it was all set up for failure. You do fantastic analysis. Keep up the wonderful work.
I am a fire ecologist have lived in Paradise since late 2015. My house near the south end of the Camp Fire scar. My house survived the Camp Fire and we were able to return to it 7 months after the fire started. I appreciate greatly everything you’re doing. I am learning much about the geography of the greater area listening to you here, me being a newbie to the area. I have been trying to keep up with this fire with your talks here and with the what is shown on duty watch.
Glad I found you. You are such an expert. Love the deep dive. I used to live in Chico. Now I live three miles from what used to be the town of Lahaina, on Maui.
We're stuck in the wildfire paradox -- agencies are spending so much money on reactive suppression with associated adverse impacts, which could be used so much more effectively on landscape-scale prescribed fire to build fire resiliency.
It’s a good point but unfortunately the public doesn’t want to live w/ the smoke and/or the air resources boards in CA don’t allow burns to get completed because of smoke concerns. If you look at Yosemite and Sequoia they have spent a lot of time protecting their resources through prescribed fire. I was on a 7000 acre prescribed burn at Yosemite back in the early 2000’s and because of smoke concerns after starting the burn we spent most of the time just holding in place not being able to add fire to the ground. Very frustrating and makes it potentially more difficult to hold the burn like that. You are right on though because prescribed fire is the best rake out there.
That burn out that they did and held is a good piece of work. It’s what firefighting is all about. I don’t know how many times we were out there on the fire line sucking smoke holding a burnout operation. And they finally put that retardant to good use backing up a burn out to help hold the green or slow down any spot fire activity. They were probably betting on the diurnal flow at night being down canyon downslope to back the fire off the road.
Hey Zeke, love your info. I have subscribed, donated cause you are worth it .Having a really difficult time finding your live stuff. I’m older and not super tech. Any suggestions???
That dozer line from Dixie also has all the fuel refuse piled on the wrong side of the line given that they were trying to stop Dixie w/ the fire coming from the opposite direction. So they were piling the slash outside the line which is now inside the burnout side so they will have to move all that slash unless they have already removed it all. Hopefully they salvaged all the logs from the old Dixie dozer line and manipulated the fuels bed w/ masticators or something. Yeah lots of prep remaining to be done on that dozer line.
Best fire report of my life, beyond amazing 👏 Thank You! I never knew about the Round Up. How long have they been spraying it, and what does that do to the ground water / ecosystem? 💦💨🌲🌲
I knew a guy from Manton. Hope everyone there stays safe. Also, the patch of green by Paynes creek at 54:50. What is that? Hope the fire doesn't kill it. I've always found that fascinating when I see it on the map. A group of trees surrounded by savannas (I assume that's what the less dense area is that is burning now)
I have been using some of your insights to understand a smaller fire in Washington, Pioneer near Stehekin on Lake Chelan. The difference is no retardant being dropped due to wildlife/fish concerns. Be fun to see your analysis of that fire which started on 6/8 and is now devastating livelihoods (granted on a smaller scale).
I’m sure they are continuing to work towards securing the lines around forest ranch. Got those crews in there mopping up and hopefully wet mopping which is quicker and more effective.
SPI perpetuating all that acreage of fire-susceptible forest should be illegal. And then they expect agencies to defend those lands from wildfire? It doesn't make sense.
W/ all due respect it is a private land owner and comparable to communities and homeowners that live in the forest but don’t do any FIREWISE to protect their properties and communities. You only have to drive through these towns that have no FIREWISE completed to realize that when the big one happens a lot of heart ache for homes lost will occur. You live in a fire dependent ecosystem that has had fire on the landscape for thousands of years and will continue to have fire on the landscape.
@@darbieandrews9751 using forest practices across 1000s of acres that increase fire hazard -- plantation forestry creates very high fuel loads that lead to high severity fires, then can spread onto other lands
@@XAlpineSuptDN Individual home parcels are not equivalent to 10s of 1000s acres of industrial timberlands that are managed in way that encourages wildfire to blow up and spread onto adjacent lands (and where taxpayers pay for fire suppression). Also, some communities are now requiring individual homes/communities to be firesmart, so as not to endanger others. The fact that it is a fire-dependent ecosystem, as you recognize, is the exact reason why massive landowners like SPI have an obligation to manage their lands in a way that is consistent with this ecology -- otherwise they are putting many others and communities at risk.
@@HermitThrush345 oh you are right. I’m not arguing w/ you about that but communities have a responsibility also to help protect themselves and unless the private landowners like SPI are forced to do something they will continue to what is cheapest even though clear cutting and burning is probably the healthiest thing for their plantations. It’s just so hard to burn because of smoke issues. But don’t get me wrong, I am not sticking up for SPI.
The alert wildfire cameras are generally in search mode and I think the cameras are a backup the infrared detection, when a target aka fire is not detected they search
Not too be critical but when you are talking about heavy equipment like dozers there is saying that when the dozer is running then the meter is spinning. How much dozer work is a waste of money?
How do you get the satellite photos without the smoke? I signed up at the same site you mentioned but clarity is terrible and Smoke covers my area. You showed my area clearly in another update..
Just wondering if this fire has gotten Chico to finally address Bidwell Park. It needs more than goats to clean it up. Bidwell is a disaster waiting to happen.
There one part of fire is showing evacuation warning and fire crossed over from evacuation orders into warning and was not changed on hwy 99 side near dailville
Thank you for the report. My dad was with CDF for 30+ years so this is in my blood. Your explanations are much clearer than their reports and contain details we care about.
Thank you for your videos, we watch every time you upload one. Thank you
Thank you, Zeke. Another fabulous video. And much food for thought that I had never even considered - the massive amounts of herbicide applied to the burned-over hillsides, to help the young trees to grow without competition. Thinking about all of that herbicide draining down the watershed and into the local streams and then on into the rivers. . . And, of course, the rivers supply much of the drinking water for millions of Central Valley residents. . . kind of makes my blood run cold.
Thank you for yet another in-depth and informative stream.
You are sounding clear and loud
I just found out about this travesty recently as the Forest Service actually sprayed the brush with herbicide from our Mountain town 2 miles to our Spring where our town water comes from, so pisses me off! I then go out to my favorite canyon last week only to find they sprayed both sides of this giant canyon for 6 miles all within 50' of a stream with trout in it!! Absolutely disgusted over this practice
@@billsmith8545 Hi billsmith8545! 🙂 I lived in the Sierra foothills for more than thirty years - my place was at about the same elevation and topography as is Paradise, but not near to Paradise.
The paved road that ran out in front of my house for a couple of miles had a kind of natural drainage ditch that ran the length of the road on my side of the road in the small valley where I lived.
The ditch along the road would retain water well into the summer, shaded by native plants and native grasses, and even after the water dried the ditch/culvert (whatever you want to call it) would remain moist. It was a magical haven for several different species of native frogs (and toads) from small tree frogs up to smallish bull frogs. It was enchanted listening on those warm summer nights, from the sharp peeps of the tree frogs to the soft boom of the bulls.
After we had lived there for several years, one day the county showed up and sprayed the entire length of the ditch "for weeds". Never heard another frog that summer, after the spraying. The next year, there were the voices of a few frogs to be heard in early spring (although not nearly so many as before). . . and then they came and sprayed again.
That was it for the frogs in the culvert along the road. I never heard them again after that. There was only silence, when before I had heard joy. The county continued to spray every year, year after year. The frogs and other small native species that had once lived and flourished along the road in the moist ditch didn't have a chance.
I most sincerely hope that your trout - and you and your neighbors - fare better than did my sweet little frogs.
Thank you for these videos. I keep looking for news to give all my distant friends and relatives worried about us, and you give the best information. Your perspective is more helpful than others. It is appreciated.
Absolutely.
Terrific info. I've been sharing your videos for years! Especially this week.
Thanks for broadcasting / updating during your vacation
Realistic outlook, Zeke. Amazing work on that fireline! That next terrain looks hard to hold. Safety first to all our firefighters with our gratitude! ❤
Great content from a reliable source, thank you for the work you do
Thanks! We are terrified for Warner Valley and Chester. You put our minds more at ease. Praying constantly for Forest Ranch and Butte Meadows!
Thanks for your support.
I enjoy your realism. Truly. My hunting partner is a 70 year old Vietnam Veteran and I’m a 52 year old Desert Storm Vet. We beat all that bush in his Jeep last year and had a bad feeling it would be on fire this year. Have a bunch of pictures of Sierra Pacific’s “kindling” piles all over up there just waiting for this special moment. All the decades we’ve been up there, never seen such a thing. As if it was all set up for failure. You do fantastic analysis. Keep up the wonderful work.
So much great information. Thanks Zeke!
Thanks for explaining the possibilities. Safety and the very best to all!
I am a fire ecologist have lived in Paradise since late 2015. My house near the south end of the Camp Fire scar. My house survived the Camp Fire and we were able to return to it 7 months after the fire started. I appreciate greatly everything you’re doing. I am learning much about the geography of the greater area listening to you here, me being a newbie to the area. I have been trying to keep up with this fire with your talks here and with the what is shown on duty watch.
Thank you once again. Great report!
Didn’t know that about the herbicide. All that going right into the watershed!! 🤯
Paradise, Carr, Delta, Dixie, Park, we just can't seem to wake up from this nightmare. Thanks Zeke.😊
So sorry , keep going❤
Glad I found you. You are such an expert. Love the deep dive. I used to live in Chico. Now I live three miles from what used to be the town of Lahaina, on Maui.
We're stuck in the wildfire paradox -- agencies are spending so much money on reactive suppression with associated adverse impacts, which could be used so much more effectively on landscape-scale prescribed fire to build fire resiliency.
It’s a good point but unfortunately the public doesn’t want to live w/ the smoke and/or the air resources boards in CA don’t allow burns to get completed because of smoke concerns. If you look at Yosemite and Sequoia they have spent a lot of time protecting their resources through prescribed fire. I was on a 7000 acre prescribed burn at Yosemite back in the early 2000’s and because of smoke concerns after starting the burn we spent most of the time just holding in place not being able to add fire to the ground. Very frustrating and makes it potentially more difficult to hold the burn like that. You are right on though because prescribed fire is the best rake out there.
Great program, Loved it. Very detailed, well explained.🤠
There’s no information out there like yours. Thank you Zeke, you do an excellent job reporting the realities of fighting this Park fire.
Great work. Thanks for the help! Many more people are seeing these videos now!
Thank for these details. Very educational.
People often don't realize that the Ishi is No Man's Land.
How Ishi and his lineage avoided white men and other threatening tribes for so long.
That burn out that they did and held is a good piece of work. It’s what firefighting is all about. I don’t know how many times we were out there on the fire line sucking smoke holding a burnout operation. And they finally put that retardant to good use backing up a burn out to help hold the green or slow down any spot fire activity. They were probably betting on the diurnal flow at night being down canyon downslope to back the fire off the road.
Foresters have set up the forest for a PERFECT fire.
Hey Zeke, love your info.
I have subscribed, donated cause you are worth it .Having a really difficult time finding your live stuff. I’m older and not super tech. Any suggestions???
That dozer line from Dixie also has all the fuel refuse piled on the wrong side of the line given that they were trying to stop Dixie w/ the fire coming from the opposite direction. So they were piling the slash outside the line which is now inside the burnout side so they will have to move all that slash unless they have already removed it all. Hopefully they salvaged all the logs from the old Dixie dozer line and manipulated the fuels bed w/ masticators or something. Yeah lots of prep remaining to be done on that dozer line.
excellent point
👍Thanks for the info.
I agree about Chester looking good. Chester got fire proofed pretty well.
Best fire report of my life, beyond amazing 👏 Thank You! I never knew about the Round Up. How long have they been spraying it, and what does that do to the ground water / ecosystem? 💦💨🌲🌲
Great video. Appreciate your input and perspective.
Sac was 75 yesterday! What a gift right in the middle of this firefight.
I knew a guy from Manton. Hope everyone there stays safe. Also, the patch of green by Paynes creek at 54:50. What is that? Hope the fire doesn't kill it. I've always found that fascinating when I see it on the map. A group of trees surrounded by savannas (I assume that's what the less dense area is that is burning now)
I have been using some of your insights to understand a smaller fire in Washington, Pioneer near Stehekin on Lake Chelan. The difference is no retardant being dropped due to wildlife/fish concerns. Be fun to see your analysis of that fire which started on 6/8 and is now devastating livelihoods (granted on a smaller scale).
I’m sure they are continuing to work towards securing the lines around forest ranch. Got those crews in there mopping up and hopefully wet mopping which is quicker and more effective.
Thank you Zeke.
THANK YOU. ❤
Thank you.
SPI perpetuating all that acreage of fire-susceptible forest should be illegal. And then they expect agencies to defend those lands from wildfire? It doesn't make sense.
What do you mean. Perpetuating all that acreage.. ? Just trying to understand.
W/ all due respect it is a private land owner and comparable to communities and homeowners that live in the forest but don’t do any FIREWISE to protect their properties and communities. You only have to drive through these towns that have no FIREWISE completed to realize that when the big one happens a lot of heart ache for homes lost will occur. You live in a fire dependent ecosystem that has had fire on the landscape for thousands of years and will continue to have fire on the landscape.
@@darbieandrews9751 using forest practices across 1000s of acres that increase fire hazard -- plantation forestry creates very high fuel loads that lead to high severity fires, then can spread onto other lands
@@XAlpineSuptDN Individual home parcels are not equivalent to 10s of 1000s acres of industrial timberlands that are managed in way that encourages wildfire to blow up and spread onto adjacent lands (and where taxpayers pay for fire suppression). Also, some communities are now requiring individual homes/communities to be firesmart, so as not to endanger others. The fact that it is a fire-dependent ecosystem, as you recognize, is the exact reason why massive landowners like SPI have an obligation to manage their lands in a way that is consistent with this ecology -- otherwise they are putting many others and communities at risk.
@@HermitThrush345 oh you are right. I’m not arguing w/ you about that but communities have a responsibility also to help protect themselves and unless the private landowners like SPI are forced to do something they will continue to what is cheapest even though clear cutting and burning is probably the healthiest thing for their plantations. It’s just so hard to burn because of smoke issues. But don’t get me wrong, I am not sticking up for SPI.
GOD BLESS OUR ANGELS IN YELLOW!
Would you make video on what you believe Fire activity may have in August in Butte County?
The alert wildfire cameras are generally in search mode and I think the cameras are a backup the infrared detection, when a target aka fire is not detected they search
Reminicent of some of the giant firebreaks on the nw end of Dixie. It doesn't matter when the spots are a mile out.
Thanks Zeke.
Be nice dudes and dudettes
Who, again, thinks THAT FIRE would go out in one day??!! Maybe with torrential rains it would, but not just with one day's cool down. 😂, 😟
Isn't Roundup the same stuff that was called Agent Orange during Vietnam?
What impact is it having on the people downstream from these lands?
Not too be critical but when you are talking about heavy equipment like dozers there is saying that when the dozer is running then the meter is spinning. How much dozer work is a waste of money?
How do you get the satellite photos without the smoke? I signed up at the same site you mentioned but clarity is terrible and Smoke covers my area. You showed my area clearly in another update..
All those wild animals and their babies, more homes lost
Nice video, where you can get the data of burned area?
Thanks!
Thanks for supporting the Lookout.
What are the expected winds and temps over next couple days?
Just wondering if this fire has gotten Chico to finally address Bidwell Park. It needs more than goats to clean it up. Bidwell is a disaster waiting to happen.
What is woowee it sounded like about Butte Meadows?
@@GraniteBaygirl It’s an achronym WUI stands for Wildland Urban Interface. Of special concern for fire fighting.
@@ValMRogersAppreciated.
@@ValMRogers thank you
Do you think it can reach Lake Cali?
Mill creek canyon is very difficult terrain and has been roadless for that very reason.
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There one part of fire is showing evacuation warning and fire crossed over from evacuation orders into warning and was not changed on hwy 99 side near dailville
My cabin is on the spi land up at 36 I'm thinking the same it's gunna burn
You fail to mention that the reason WHY Dixie flared back up is BECAUSE of your “firing operations”.
What about Mineral?
Has Nimshew been burned?
The problem is to much mono forest no adversity plus trees are too thick and no burning
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its fine
Everything is fine!
Everything is FINE!
Everything is fine KAREN!
Dude, please show me the map and give me the overview up front. Way too much fluff in the way.
You can scroll ahead since this was posted 2 hrs ago. Be nice to Zeke. He'll teach you something! 😊
We love fluff 💕
Be nice to the guy you're saying be nice to.
You must be nice.
Everything is nice.
Nice..
Have a slice of nice, baby 😂
Thank you
Thank you Zeek.
Thank you