When Pomni says "he just wants me to suffer" at 25:39, the instinct is to think that she's talking about Caine, but I don't think so. Because before that, she says "I knew it would be like this." which I think implies that she had doubts about the Circus before she entered. I don't think she's talking about Caine. She's referring to someone that she knows from outside the simulation, but I don't think she cal recall any specifics. EDIT: The idea of Hell is an extra-biblical concept and it's only vaguely referred to in the book. The Bible doesn't actually describe it directly at all, but it does refer to Sheol, Tartaroo, and Gehenna, which are all remnants of other religious concepts that were absorbed into early Christianity. These are all translated to "Hell" in most modern translations, but they refer to different things. The "freezing hell" concept is from Dante's Divine Comedy, which describes the 9th circle of Hell as a freezing lake.
I want to add here that Sheol was the only one where souls were described to go to. That it was an endless desert of darkness forever removed from God's light. Nothing else really described here. That others such as Gehenna were described as the world that demons/Shedim came from but not where souls went. The whole lakes of fire and stuff were added elements, mostly taken from the likes of Hellenistic descriptions of Tartarus and Zoroastrianism and so on with torture after lifes. Heck just to add further the idea of demons tempting humans with power and wealth and taking their souls to Hell forever as a result was a Christian invention that was demonizing Pagan beliefs, worship a god of war get power in battle, worship a god of wealth get wealth, gods of love, gods of a specific job, agriculture etc...in early Christianity these Daemons (from Daimon the Greek Translation of Shedim, which Daimon would be a lesser god, and Shedim were Judaic reconceptualization of the gods of their neighboring nations and people *evil because people worshipped them* and they had all the powers of the angels but were living beings. Which back around here, early Christianity existed alongside various Pagan beliefs, (a common saying a Nordic man worshipped Thor at sea but Jesus back on land), it was a belief that people who worshipped those gods ended up being taken to their "restless afterlives" (like the original wild hunt), but the Christian afterlife was described as eternal peace. Give it a few centuries, politics, and "demon" becomes a fully evil term, these other afterlife worlds are all evil (endless battle among warriors, the eternal hunt, etc...all becomes evil) and gods granting boons related to their dominions becomes the temptations of evil spirits.
You can't really say that Caine isn't an AI when the creator literally confirmed that he's an AI and there being several instances of him showing AI-esque behaviours in the show supporting that fact like: 1. Caine blanking out when Pomni asked how she's supposed to leave in episode 1 because he's not programmed to be able to answer that question. 2. Caine answering Jax's question of whether they were going to have an adventure or not like 5 minutes after he asks it as Jax points out in that instance 3. Him not understanding the nuances of the circus members' requests like when they asked for an exit, he interpreted it as them wanting a literal exit door to another place other than the circus in episode 1, and addressing Zooble's body dysmorphia issues by giving her removable parts she can swap out for better ones. 4. Him literally glitching out along with the rest of the circus at the thought that he was failing at the one thing he was programmed to do because his programming isn't sophisticated enough to process that. If he was just a copied consciousness of a human admin, you'd think that he would have a more human reaction. 5. As many have pointed out, taking Zooble's response of "forget it" literally.
31:44 In Polish Kane says "Welcome back my Skibidi Sigmas", and when the english VA saw that he remade the clip on his Twitter saying the same thing xD
Fun trivia: When faced with the monster head the first time, in the Spanish dub Kinger says" Could you repeat that, I don't speak Lovecraftian" When the gang comes back, Caine says different things in the different dubs. In the Spanish dub he says "Welcome back my milky furries". In the Polish dub he says"How's it going my Skibidi Sigmas?" This lead to Alex Rochon, Caine's English VA, to record himself saying both these lines
I love that Kinger actually said to Pomni in the Beginning to not think about it, before Jax cut him off, so she may have recalled that he tried to tell her already and that it helped her more
Fun fact: 57 is a number that shows up in all three episodes. -on a couple of blocks in the Gloink Queen's lair (1) -Caine saying the Candy Land Kingdom adventure will be "57 times more immersive" (2) -Lady Mildenhall: "That man can turn a 57-second story into a Greek tragedy." (3) It's part of an inside joke for Gooseworx and the Glitch crew
Ya know something I didn't think about until now... what if the people "scanned in" are actually watching? Think Pomni's scan donor (Scan mommy? Original copy?) is seeing what her psuedo-avatar is doing and... I dunno, taking notes? Checking how well the program is running? I'd also like to know what the parameters are for TADC: "Okay, we need five characters. Kaufmo went down last night, so... who wants to put on the headset and get scanned?" Jax's original: "Hey, new girl! Want to see what kind of character the headset spits out?" Pomni's original: "Suuuuure? It's not going to hurt, is it?" Jax's OC: "Naw! It won't hurt YOU. Your avatar, however... You don't suffer from any mental concerns, do you?" Pomni's code creator: "A bit of depression with occasional anxiety. I've got that handled though." Jax Prime: "Perfect. I'm a bit of a narcissist, to be honest... but my character! Dear gods, he's off the rails!"
Y’all ever just stare at a thumbnail trying to process what you’re seeing before suddenly recognizing it’s a video you’ve been really hyped for and then drop whatever you’re doing to watch it?
“In this world, the worst thing you can do is make someone feel like they’re not wanted or loved.” …not so different from our world, then. On a lighter note, Jax getting his comeuppance for once was pretty satisfying. Don’t get me wrong, he’s funny…but he’s such a petty #%>{~}.
"I know it can feel pointless... But its not not if you have people that care about you." His whole speech is just perfect. he is literally light in the darkness.
Kingers monologue was so impactful, man; the lessons he teaches the clowns of the circus is def just as relevant to us clowns of the real world and YES I loved seeing Jax get a lesson
The way Kinger says the word “…gone…” always hits me hard. That word will always hit me hard. I don’t like it when things change so much. My work making things harder, my friends changing and going away, and… just thinking about how, soon… my parents will change and eventually be gone too. I know it all has to change. It’s the nature of being. Why does it have to hurt so much?
Hell being frozen is from Dante's Inferno as that's the punishment you face in the 9th circle with the ice being kept frozen by the flapping of Lucifer's wings.
11:31 My favorite detail of this scene is that, if you pay attention, Kinger slowly starts making more sense with each line after the lights go out, until he's briefly snapped back by the flash of the angel's light.
8:25 Magnus Archives mentioned?! Let's go!! Easily one of the best audio dramas around and I love seeing more people get into it. Enjoy the ride!! As for the episode, I'm pretty sure it's not meant to be a Magnus reference and is just a spooky narration tape because nothing else about the episode really stands out as being similar to any of the spooky shit in Magnus
Idk why, but his voice just reminds me of it for some reason? but my homie Viara has been sharing it with me, and it's been a great time listening to it! ^^
I heard something similar about Hell being actually frozen, though only in the lowest circles. I remember it said that the absolute lowest circle is completely frozen, kept that way by Satan's constant wing flaps as he munches on the three traitors, those being Brutus, Cassius, and Judas.
After watching this multiple times, I have been wondering who Pomni is referring to when she says, "He wants me to suffer." To me, it sounds too personal to be referring to Caine. Like there was someone in her life who she feels wants her to suffer, and is why she ended up in The Circus to begin with.
I 1000% thought the same thing 👍👍👍👊 I think it was said that way to hide the fact that "he" is someone on the outside, perhaps someone that has some control over the circus?
imagine she knew going into it that she'd be copied into the game? from the pov of her brain scan, she wouldn't know she was just the copy so I could see her taking "his" (whomever "he" is) actions personally
7:33 Betterhelp :) all jokes aside it kinda seems like Caine's an actual AI instead of a person like the others, notice how his behavior flips on a dime the exact second Zooble tells him to "forget it" or changes the topic
So, a couple of things to say about this one: -first of, I don’t know what I was expecting with where we would start this Episode from, but I was not expecting us to start with the Gang us hanging out with each other in the main area(by the way, has those Sofas always been there?), ‘cause for some reason somewhere in my subconscious i thought every Episode would just start off with someone in their Room, i had no thought about us just starting off in the Main Area, i don’t know why. -By the way, i really appreciated to see a Casual Scene of just everyone hanging out, that isn’t Fan-Made for once, i really hope we get to see more Canon Scenes like that. -Anyway, with this it seems like one of my assumptions about this Episode setting certain things straight turned out to be true, one of which namely about how each Episode does not take place just the Day After the Previous One, because apparently this Episode takes place at least a couple of Days since Episode 2. -Speaking of which, with that in mind and with the assumption that they do have an Adventure each day, Pomni asking about NPCs becoming self aware does then kind of give off the implication that all NPCs has become self-aware in one way or another in every other Adventure since Gummigoo, which in turn makes Zooble’s comment about Pomni apparently always looking traumatized every time she comes back from a Adventure lead into another line of implications. -On another note, when they say that Zooble has always refused to join the Adventure, do they mean that they have literally never been on a Adventure or is it more accurate to that they haven’t been on a Adventure for a long time, like they might’ve joined their First One or Two Adventures but then was just done after that? -Also, I guess this Episode also confirms a bit about just how much control Caine really has over Circus, now I am certain we’ve all had our guesses, but to actually see to what extent does still paint a picture. -Regardless, with what we got from this Episode in mind, I guess every Episode from now on will more or less be about Pomni spending some time and perhaps learn more about at least one other Circus-mate while going through an Adventure, If so, then i wonder who she’ll spend time with next? Who do you think and would like to see? Side Note: i wonder if there were any references to the Freakshow AU in this Episode? I don’t know, some of the certain designs just gave that kind of vibe, i guess.
The Magnet and Boat thing I believe is a reference to the sound byte its self. It is very common in shows and animation that sound effects are not what we see making the sound, but something else, metal glove over strings, banging a washboard, slowing down and amplifying a chair scraping against a floor, etc... On another note: Dialogue adding up is suspicious. 1: I am in the camp that suspects Jax is human *AND* is in the simulation intentionally and can leave, maybe holding his breath triggers a safety protocol that logs him out. Maybe there is an exit in his room, and the whole breathing thing happened in episode 1 where Jax was short of breath from running, and at the end made the comment about being hungry despite the fact they shouldn't be able to feel hungry. 2: Pomni is starting to feel like she also went in intentionally as a debugger, or a copy of someone's mind, with the task to find the exit and end the simulation. But either the memory thing hit her so she didn't remember right away in episode 1 outside her task, or she has been pretending since she first showed up to not know what the Circus is...like "oh no I put on a strange headset and ended up here, where am I..." but really knowing the whole time. Also of note: Caine said he can't affect their minds. But he can affect their bodies. Moving them around, fixing glitches, so episode 2's scary element that he might have destroyed the body of a person implies he couldn't have destroyed the mind...so that mind may still be floating in the system somehow. However the scarier element here is Pomni being possessed, Caine created a program able to suppress the human mind and control the body. Yeah he did it to simulate demonic possession, but its still something he created within the system so is something he can do anytime. So the scary thought, what if another NPC he made or program took control of one of the human avatars so we have a person trapped and aware but unable to act as the NPC controls them, an extra level of Hell for them.
the sound byte thing totally makes sense! that's super funny actually XD as for the humans being used as NPCs, I was thinking about that while editing the video!! I've noticed that a lot of the "monsters" have tons of circles layered in their eyes, similar to how the eyes of the abstracted people look. There's a bunch of the abstracted in the circus' "cellar", we get a shot of Kinger getting entranced by the circles from the angel while IN the Manor maps literal cellar, we have him gazing lovingly into the pulsing circle eyes of his abstracted wife, we have the same hypno circle eyes on the Fudge from Candyland Mad Max episode, and the eyes of the Gloink Queen are also the same circles 👁 it seems a lil suspicious, man!!!
23:10 you may have gotten it from “Inferno” by Dante Alighieri. In that, he describes Hell as being segmented into 9 Circles. The bottom Circle is supposed to be where sinners who betrayed those close to them are frozen in agony forever.
19:50 I just understand that Digital Circus is just shoujo anime with Pomni as main character. She has some husbandos and girlfriends. Each others have own routes and trickster(Jax) has the hardest route for the end as usual
26:47 I just noticed something: Kinger said that the darkness made his abstracted wife calm down. Now, what did Caine do to abstracted Kaufmo in ep. 1: He put him into the dark cellar. Now, go back to that episode and look at the scene of Kaufmo being banished to the cellar. You can see other abstracted creatures in there, but they didn't glitch as much as Kaufmo did during the episode. With the information we got from Kinger in ep. 3, it COULD be that Caine knows about this, which is why he put them into a dark place aka. the cellar to calm down the abstracted circus-members down. And if Caine told the truth about all the harm he does being unintentionally (factored in with the self-doubts he showed in ep. 3 plus his obvious need to do things right), then maybe he does this with good intentions and locks the abstracted ones into the dark cellar to calm them down until he finds a way to fix this issue.
18:25. The worst kind of chatters in reactions are the ones who think it’s not spoiling as long as they don’t say exactly what is going to happen. Like seriously why do they feel the need to say that the bug thing will be explained this episode? Are they really that impatient that they can’t wait a few minutes to get to that point in the video?
31:46: I'm probably in the minority, but I found "meowing milk maids" to be adorable because I invisioned tiny cats in tiny milk maid uniforms. At least it is no worst than both of the Polish and Spanish dubs.
To add to the notion on Zooble possibly being one of the original programmers, I saw a theory centered on Zooble and Cain's interaction in this episode with how he only seems to forget what the topic is after Zooble dismisses it, "Forget it" or "never mind", almost like he's just responding to a command prompt. Cain's own frustrated line: "You and my brain wont tell me!" might also lend to this idea.
According to Gooseworx Caine is based on the AI AM from Harlan Ellison's short story "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream", but instead of being an embodiment of raw hate, Caine is goofy and just insane.
Zooble's obvious body dysmorphia metaphor might be more appropriate than you know. As I understand it; their voice actor has always been self conscious about how masculine her voice sounds, and as such was hesitant to get in to voice acting. It's likely the reason why Zooble had so little screentime in the other episodes 21:41 Who do you mean by Magnus? I only know two Magnuses/Magni/whatever the hell the plural of "Magnus" is, and I doubt you're referring to either of them
I really relate to the struggle, so it's a comfort to see it represented and Magnus Archives is a horror podcast! it's similar to the energy of this episodes whole "recorded tape talking about a creepy event with a creature/ghost/cryptid/thing"
My theory is that kinger was affected somehow by touching an abstracted person and that’s why the dark has the same effect on him that it does on abstracted people. maybe it’s also where the memory issues came from as well
I also read a theory somewhere that he’s waiting for abstraction in order to reunite with his wife and it’s having the opposite affect of preventing him from abstracting
I don't think caine has an original human mind since he seems INCAPABLE of understanding the human condition. He can grant anyoen anything they ask for that is physucally possible. Zooble wanted to change, so caine snapped his fingers and now zooble can change. it's like trying to negotiate with a genie that wants to do the wishes correctly but doesn't know how. Like you ask for a million bucks, and you get 1 million deer because he didn't know you were using bucks as slang for money.
In some mythos, the deepest parts of hell trade inferno for ice. I think the first mention of it in relation to the Christian hell, as opposed other underworlds, is Dante's inferno.
Because its the most obvious choice... But also the most boring one because it has been done to death by now, the only good recent spin on it was the game soma because it uses an inverted version of it.
The tape recorders were actually a reference to the evil Dead series. There were a couple of references to the evil Dead series especially when Pomni gets possessed by the spirit semen. It's the best way I can describe it. And apparently I'm not the only one that thinks that so I guess tada for wonderful twisted gutter minds. We all think alike! Nice to know that I'm not alone.
My favorite international representation is giving translations their own jokes. For example, Spanish Kinger inatead informs the angel that he doesn't speak Lovecraftian. And Polish Caine calls the group Skibbidi Sigmas which Jax calls brainrot and tells him to never say that again.
Love the intro artwork there with the high quality Nev and banner. The frill "Wings" are neat. Your Cain theory is interesting but might take away from the idea all the NPCs are sapient, with it making a divide between them and the main cast being "Utterly Nonhuman" and "Human Uploads". Probably not saying it right but woke up unpleasantly.
Your drowning comments bringing me back to when I was world building a Hell and how the soul bodies functioned. *regenerate, rate of regeneration related to degree of injury and how soon the damage stopped *no point for a soul in Hell to be healing while being torn apart of living razer wire in a surreal dark forest*, the healing making the flesh new with zero habituation to pain, but 80 percent or more damage all at once triggering a respawning. (I like to imagine it works similarly in Hazbin Hotel with what we've heard). But the point here was that souls in my Hell realized that the body reacts like its alive, feel hunger and thirst even if you can't "die" from it, same with breathing. So being forced underwater is just constant suffering as the lungs burn and body spasms from it...also same being buried alive...but worse as its things like sand now stuck in your lungs even as you can't pass out or die as your insides are constantly being torn apart in little cuts and your body forces you to continue to try and breathe.
Fun fact, Gooseworx has not yet confirmed Kinger's wife. In fact, the topic has been skirted around several times. While it may be thematic that Queenie was Kinger's wife, it is just as likely that any other female abstracted character was his wife.
WAIT imagine if Queenie was his best friend or "work wife" and Kingers real wife was a different character! if that's the case, his kinship w Queenie may have contributed to his wife feeling "unloved or unwanted" as he was cautioning Pomni
Fun fact: in polish Caine calls them “skibidi sigmas” Alex and Michael dubbed the line…. D it’s on Alex’s channel In Spanish, Caine calls them “little milky furries”
The Icy Hell might be a reference to the part of Helheim in norse Mythology guarded by a Dragon that feast upon the damned soul if I remembered correctly it's been a good while since I've kept up on Mythology
@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth my knowledge on Devil May crystal series if that's what you are referring to is a bit low ,but that is interesting information.
I think it was a medieval description you heard. Before that, hell was depicted with blacks and reds, and burned hotter than any fire. But later on, it was described with more blue colors, being farther from the light of “god.” Or something like that. I don’t remember which piece of literature did it first though. Perhaps some old version of a bible?
The "cold and dark" depiction originated from Dante's Inferno, where Hell got colder the deeper in you went. Before that, depictions of Heaven and Hell were very rare, as they were deemed beyond our understanding.
I wonder if Kinger might've gotten in an argument with his wife and said or did something really mean and hurtful to her before she abstracted and the reason why i say this is because of when him and Pomni were in hell he said to Pomni cherish the people around you because you never know when they'll be gone in this world the worst thing you can do is make someone think they're not wanted or loved
Very late to comment on this, to the point where I'm certain everyone already said everything that could be said about this episode... Except this: Ghostly is the best character. ...That is all. Edit: One other thing, it's interesting that you're adamant that Caine isn't AI, despite that being confirmed by the creators themselves for a good long while. Then again, people are also convinced that Jax is AI despite the characters also confirming that he is (or was) human. Just hope people are prepared just in case their deeply held theories end up being debunked in the show.
13:33 In the German dub the scene doesn't work like that:-[shrieks] -[Kinger]: I'm sorry, could you speak up? I couldn't quite make that out. but like this: (average Frenchman) Sorry, could you repeat that? I don't speak French.
I'm still enjoying your videos and some, but yeah, it is a wonderful and glorious show 😊. Also, the ghost or spirit woman who's drinking tea with "Agathab 🪢", "Jack🃏"," and Noble🎭" in the dinner table? She is the exact same woman on her husband's desk drawer. But "Zoble 🧩🪅💪🦿" is indeed an understandable character that she is a magle of ports, yet she still misses her own body, but i realize that!? Thus, Kingger is one of the greatest 🫅 of all time yet also... I do know one thing, but #NoSpoilers. However, keep up the glorious work and the gorgeous job,... thus thy shell not have thy Soul!! 😶🌫️ [Was up danger Spiderman Song!] Anyway, have a fantastic day and stay strong 💪 You got this. 🪖🫡🥇🏅🎖🏆 ❤️🔥❤️🔥 Indominate soul ❤️✨️💖 Wonderful Harvester 😉😊 Okay-by!!
i agree that they are brain scans. but there is a extra step in logic that is required if they are copies of the OG people, why is there a implied large time gap between people arriving Computers run faster then the human body. so for them what would feel like months or Years, could be hours outside
in Dante's Inferno the lowest level of Hell is frozen because it's furthest from God. Dante's Inferno isn't part of the bible, it was written in the 14th century. Some would say a frozen Hell came from Norse myth. In modern day according to historic protestant traditions, Hell was made for the unrepentant like the Devil and other fallen angels. None can clearly say when humans first arrived in Hell, but the fallen angels were its first residents.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, at this point, I don't trust Caine. No matter what the creators said. Also, Pomni, Kinger and Zooble are definitely the highlights here. I'm glad there's more growth from them.
Hay evol, putting Fennah still, honestly if you end up watching it and hate it that honestly fine different view and all that just don't want to hype it up to much you know,anyway have a good one
Oh yeah and Nevaeh the version of Hell you were talking about isn't from Christianity the version you were talking about is from Norse Mythology and it's known as Helheim
More likely, it's a reference to Dante's Inferno, the most famous depiction of Hell, which described it as getting colder and darker the deeper you went.
When Pomni says "he just wants me to suffer" at 25:39, the instinct is to think that she's talking about Caine, but I don't think so. Because before that, she says "I knew it would be like this." which I think implies that she had doubts about the Circus before she entered.
I don't think she's talking about Caine. She's referring to someone that she knows from outside the simulation, but I don't think she cal recall any specifics.
EDIT: The idea of Hell is an extra-biblical concept and it's only vaguely referred to in the book. The Bible doesn't actually describe it directly at all, but it does refer to Sheol, Tartaroo, and Gehenna, which are all remnants of other religious concepts that were absorbed into early Christianity. These are all translated to "Hell" in most modern translations, but they refer to different things. The "freezing hell" concept is from Dante's Divine Comedy, which describes the 9th circle of Hell as a freezing lake.
I want to add here that Sheol was the only one where souls were described to go to. That it was an endless desert of darkness forever removed from God's light. Nothing else really described here. That others such as Gehenna were described as the world that demons/Shedim came from but not where souls went. The whole lakes of fire and stuff were added elements, mostly taken from the likes of Hellenistic descriptions of Tartarus and Zoroastrianism and so on with torture after lifes. Heck just to add further the idea of demons tempting humans with power and wealth and taking their souls to Hell forever as a result was a Christian invention that was demonizing Pagan beliefs, worship a god of war get power in battle, worship a god of wealth get wealth, gods of love, gods of a specific job, agriculture etc...in early Christianity these Daemons (from Daimon the Greek Translation of Shedim, which Daimon would be a lesser god, and Shedim were Judaic reconceptualization of the gods of their neighboring nations and people *evil because people worshipped them* and they had all the powers of the angels but were living beings. Which back around here, early Christianity existed alongside various Pagan beliefs, (a common saying a Nordic man worshipped Thor at sea but Jesus back on land), it was a belief that people who worshipped those gods ended up being taken to their "restless afterlives" (like the original wild hunt), but the Christian afterlife was described as eternal peace. Give it a few centuries, politics, and "demon" becomes a fully evil term, these other afterlife worlds are all evil (endless battle among warriors, the eternal hunt, etc...all becomes evil) and gods granting boons related to their dominions becomes the temptations of evil spirits.
@@TheRhuen Wonderful, thank you for the input, that's good shit
@@FireheadLazzo i do really like the idea that Pomni is a play tester of sorts w an outside force torturing her in the circus.. Abel perhaps? 👁
"I wanna see what your funny cartoon body does" is a _wild_ line out of context
i was wondering if I was the only one who thought about that
oh jeez 😰
You can't really say that Caine isn't an AI when the creator literally confirmed that he's an AI and there being several instances of him showing AI-esque behaviours in the show supporting that fact like:
1. Caine blanking out when Pomni asked how she's supposed to leave in episode 1 because he's not programmed to be able to answer that question.
2. Caine answering Jax's question of whether they were going to have an adventure or not like 5 minutes after he asks it as Jax points out in that instance
3. Him not understanding the nuances of the circus members' requests like when they asked for an exit, he interpreted it as them wanting a literal exit door to another place other than the circus in episode 1, and addressing Zooble's body dysmorphia issues by giving her removable parts she can swap out for better ones.
4. Him literally glitching out along with the rest of the circus at the thought that he was failing at the one thing he was programmed to do because his programming isn't sophisticated enough to process that. If he was just a copied consciousness of a human admin, you'd think that he would have a more human reaction.
5. As many have pointed out, taking Zooble's response of "forget it" literally.
31:44 In Polish Kane says "Welcome back my Skibidi Sigmas", and when the english VA saw that he remade the clip on his Twitter saying the same thing xD
I've seen that clip floating around and I was wondering if it was real or not
Fun trivia:
When faced with the monster head the first time, in the Spanish dub Kinger says" Could you repeat that, I don't speak Lovecraftian"
When the gang comes back, Caine says different things in the different dubs. In the Spanish dub he says "Welcome back my milky furries". In the Polish dub he says"How's it going my Skibidi Sigmas?" This lead to Alex Rochon, Caine's English VA, to record himself saying both these lines
LOL I love those lines
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I love that Kinger actually said to Pomni in the Beginning to not think about it, before Jax cut him off, so she may have recalled that he tried to tell her already and that it helped her more
This episode has been Rated "AAAAAA" for mature Nevaehs only
so mature 😌
Fun fact: 57 is a number that shows up in all three episodes.
-on a couple of blocks in the Gloink Queen's lair (1)
-Caine saying the Candy Land Kingdom adventure will be "57 times more immersive" (2)
-Lady Mildenhall: "That man can turn a 57-second story into a Greek tragedy." (3)
It's part of an inside joke for Gooseworx and the Glitch crew
What’s the reference about?
Ya know something I didn't think about until now... what if the people "scanned in" are actually watching? Think Pomni's scan donor (Scan mommy? Original copy?) is seeing what her psuedo-avatar is doing and... I dunno, taking notes? Checking how well the program is running?
I'd also like to know what the parameters are for TADC:
"Okay, we need five characters. Kaufmo went down last night, so... who wants to put on the headset and get scanned?"
Jax's original: "Hey, new girl! Want to see what kind of character the headset spits out?"
Pomni's original: "Suuuuure? It's not going to hurt, is it?"
Jax's OC: "Naw! It won't hurt YOU. Your avatar, however... You don't suffer from any mental concerns, do you?"
Pomni's code creator: "A bit of depression with occasional anxiety. I've got that handled though."
Jax Prime: "Perfect. I'm a bit of a narcissist, to be honest... but my character! Dear gods, he's off the rails!"
Huge Soma vibes with that one
I LOVE the thought of their original versions of themselves watching the goings on! like a lil simulation ^^
Y’all ever just stare at a thumbnail trying to process what you’re seeing before suddenly recognizing it’s a video you’ve been really hyped for and then drop whatever you’re doing to watch it?
aaaaa you're too sweet
“In this world, the worst thing you can do is make someone feel like they’re not wanted or loved.”
…not so different from our world, then.
On a lighter note, Jax getting his comeuppance for once was pretty satisfying. Don’t get me wrong, he’s funny…but he’s such a petty #%>{~}.
"I know it can feel pointless... But its not not if you have people that care about you." His whole speech is just perfect. he is literally light in the darkness.
That sounded like a jab at Kaufmo. It was mentioned that the crew didn't find his jokes funny.
wouldn't it be a jab at the group bc of how they made Kaufmo feel, rather than a jab at Kaufmo himself?
Kingers monologue was so impactful, man; the lessons he teaches the clowns of the circus is def just as relevant to us clowns of the real world
and YES I loved seeing Jax get a lesson
The way Kinger says the word “…gone…” always hits me hard.
That word will always hit me hard. I don’t like it when things change so much. My work making things harder, my friends changing and going away, and… just thinking about how, soon… my parents will change and eventually be gone too.
I know it all has to change. It’s the nature of being. Why does it have to hurt so much?
appreciate things while they last that's the message of this episode.
Hell being frozen is from Dante's Inferno as that's the punishment you face in the 9th circle with the ice being kept frozen by the flapping of Lucifer's wings.
You think this episode will be "The spooky scary episode", but it ends up being "The episode where a crazy chess piece makes everyone cry".
That isn't my angel, my angels are 8ft tall and deliver the Emperor's divine judgment on the enemies of man. hehehe
My angel has two dragon heass attached to a giant head. Or machine gun for fingers. Or tentacles for faces. Or a face on their shield.
My angel is a robot that was sent to another planet to kill worker drones
11:31 My favorite detail of this scene is that, if you pay attention, Kinger slowly starts making more sense with each line after the lights go out, until he's briefly snapped back by the flash of the angel's light.
It was confirmed that Caine was an Ai which is why he doesn’t know how to help the humans trapped there because his knowledge is very surface level
I mentioned before that Kinger is my favorite character, and after this episode I love him so much more ^^
he's such a great character ♡
8:25 Magnus Archives mentioned?! Let's go!! Easily one of the best audio dramas around and I love seeing more people get into it. Enjoy the ride!! As for the episode, I'm pretty sure it's not meant to be a Magnus reference and is just a spooky narration tape because nothing else about the episode really stands out as being similar to any of the spooky shit in Magnus
Idk why, but his voice just reminds me of it for some reason? but my homie Viara has been sharing it with me, and it's been a great time listening to it! ^^
I heard something similar about Hell being actually frozen, though only in the lowest circles.
I remember it said that the absolute lowest circle is completely frozen, kept that way by Satan's constant wing flaps as he munches on the three traitors, those being Brutus, Cassius, and Judas.
After watching this multiple times, I have been wondering who Pomni is referring to when she says, "He wants me to suffer." To me, it sounds too personal to be referring to Caine. Like there was someone in her life who she feels wants her to suffer, and is why she ended up in The Circus to begin with.
I 1000% thought the same thing 👍👍👍👊
I think it was said that way to hide the fact that "he" is someone on the outside, perhaps someone that has some control over the circus?
imagine she knew going into it that she'd be copied into the game? from the pov of her brain scan, she wouldn't know she was just the copy so I could see her taking "his" (whomever "he" is) actions personally
7:33 Betterhelp :)
all jokes aside it kinda seems like Caine's an actual AI instead of a person like the others, notice how his behavior flips on a dime the exact second Zooble tells him to "forget it" or changes the topic
So, a couple of things to say about this one:
-first of, I don’t know what I was expecting with where we would start this Episode from, but I was not expecting us to start with the Gang us hanging out with each other in the main area(by the way, has those Sofas always been there?), ‘cause for some reason somewhere in my subconscious i thought every Episode would just start off with someone in their Room, i had no thought about us just starting off in the Main Area, i don’t know why.
-By the way, i really appreciated to see a Casual Scene of just everyone hanging out, that isn’t Fan-Made for once, i really hope we get to see more Canon Scenes like that.
-Anyway, with this it seems like one of my assumptions about this Episode setting certain things straight turned out to be true, one of which namely about how each Episode does not take place just the Day After the Previous One, because apparently this Episode takes place at least a couple of Days since Episode 2.
-Speaking of which, with that in mind and with the assumption that they do have an Adventure each day, Pomni asking about NPCs becoming self aware does then kind of give off the implication that all NPCs has become self-aware in one way or another in every other Adventure since Gummigoo, which in turn makes Zooble’s comment about Pomni apparently always looking traumatized every time she comes back from a Adventure lead into another line of implications.
-On another note, when they say that Zooble has always refused to join the Adventure, do they mean that they have literally never been on a Adventure or is it more accurate to that they haven’t been on a Adventure for a long time, like they might’ve joined their First One or Two Adventures but then was just done after that?
-Also, I guess this Episode also confirms a bit about just how much control Caine really has over Circus, now I am certain we’ve all had our guesses, but to actually see to what extent does still paint a picture.
-Regardless, with what we got from this Episode in mind, I guess every Episode from now on will more or less be about Pomni spending some time and perhaps learn more about at least one other Circus-mate while going through an Adventure,
If so, then i wonder who she’ll spend time with next? Who do you think and would like to see?
Side Note: i wonder if there were any references to the Freakshow AU in this Episode?
I don’t know, some of the certain designs just gave that kind of vibe, i guess.
The Magnet and Boat thing I believe is a reference to the sound byte its self. It is very common in shows and animation that sound effects are not what we see making the sound, but something else, metal glove over strings, banging a washboard, slowing down and amplifying a chair scraping against a floor, etc...
On another note: Dialogue adding up is suspicious.
1: I am in the camp that suspects Jax is human *AND* is in the simulation intentionally and can leave, maybe holding his breath triggers a safety protocol that logs him out. Maybe there is an exit in his room, and the whole breathing thing happened in episode 1 where Jax was short of breath from running, and at the end made the comment about being hungry despite the fact they shouldn't be able to feel hungry.
2: Pomni is starting to feel like she also went in intentionally as a debugger, or a copy of someone's mind, with the task to find the exit and end the simulation. But either the memory thing hit her so she didn't remember right away in episode 1 outside her task, or she has been pretending since she first showed up to not know what the Circus is...like "oh no I put on a strange headset and ended up here, where am I..." but really knowing the whole time.
Also of note: Caine said he can't affect their minds. But he can affect their bodies. Moving them around, fixing glitches, so episode 2's scary element that he might have destroyed the body of a person implies he couldn't have destroyed the mind...so that mind may still be floating in the system somehow. However the scarier element here is Pomni being possessed, Caine created a program able to suppress the human mind and control the body. Yeah he did it to simulate demonic possession, but its still something he created within the system so is something he can do anytime. So the scary thought, what if another NPC he made or program took control of one of the human avatars so we have a person trapped and aware but unable to act as the NPC controls them, an extra level of Hell for them.
If the person goes crazy though, they would abstract.
YES THANK YOU that was my thought too!
the sound byte thing totally makes sense! that's super funny actually XD
as for the humans being used as NPCs, I was thinking about that while editing the video!! I've noticed that a lot of the "monsters" have tons of circles layered in their eyes, similar to how the eyes of the abstracted people look. There's a bunch of the abstracted in the circus' "cellar", we get a shot of Kinger getting entranced by the circles from the angel while IN the Manor maps literal cellar, we have him gazing lovingly into the pulsing circle eyes of his abstracted wife, we have the same hypno circle eyes on the Fudge from Candyland Mad Max episode, and the eyes of the Gloink Queen are also the same circles 👁 it seems a lil suspicious, man!!!
23:10 you may have gotten it from “Inferno” by Dante Alighieri. In that, he describes Hell as being segmented into 9 Circles. The bottom Circle is supposed to be where sinners who betrayed those close to them are frozen in agony forever.
19:50 I just understand that Digital Circus is just shoujo anime with Pomni as main character. She has some husbandos and girlfriends. Each others have own routes and trickster(Jax) has the hardest route for the end as usual
People say kinger is like a guardian angel guiding pomni through hell
I could see that!
26:47 I just noticed something:
Kinger said that the darkness made his abstracted wife calm down. Now, what did Caine do to abstracted Kaufmo in ep. 1: He put him into the dark cellar. Now, go back to that episode and look at the scene of Kaufmo being banished to the cellar. You can see other abstracted creatures in there, but they didn't glitch as much as Kaufmo did during the episode. With the information we got from Kinger in ep. 3, it COULD be that Caine knows about this, which is why he put them into a dark place aka. the cellar to calm down the abstracted circus-members down. And if Caine told the truth about all the harm he does being unintentionally (factored in with the self-doubts he showed in ep. 3 plus his obvious need to do things right), then maybe he does this with good intentions and locks the abstracted ones into the dark cellar to calm them down until he finds a way to fix this issue.
I honestly can’t wait for next episode since according to Gooseworks it’s going to be Gangle’s episode next
ooo that's gonna be so fun! i love Gangle
18:25. The worst kind of chatters in reactions are the ones who think it’s not spoiling as long as they don’t say exactly what is going to happen. Like seriously why do they feel the need to say that the bug thing will be explained this episode? Are they really that impatient that they can’t wait a few minutes to get to that point in the video?
yeah :/ I apologize if it damaged your experience watching the video
As a Magnus Archives fan, I am afraid to tell you that is not Jonathan Sims. I do wish it was.
I WANT IT TO BE HIMMM
31:46: I'm probably in the minority, but I found "meowing milk maids" to be adorable because I invisioned tiny cats in tiny milk maid uniforms. At least it is no worst than both of the Polish and Spanish dubs.
If you like TMA, I highly recommend another immersive fiction horror podcast: Welcome To Night Vale
This episode was pretty good to watch
I enjoyed it ^^
17:08 Sounds like Halo A.I creation. In RvB someone tortured an A.I to fragmant it, making lesser copies of one
To add to the notion on Zooble possibly being one of the original programmers, I saw a theory centered on Zooble and Cain's interaction in this episode with how he only seems to forget what the topic is after Zooble dismisses it, "Forget it" or "never mind", almost like he's just responding to a command prompt. Cain's own frustrated line: "You and my brain wont tell me!" might also lend to this idea.
I agree!! it seems like they have some special admin privileges or something 👁
7:47 These heads remind me of the works of Jordan Persegati, a TH-camr who does artwork of popular characters in horror artstyles
According to Gooseworx Caine is based on the AI AM from Harlan Ellison's short story "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream", but instead of being an embodiment of raw hate, Caine is goofy and just insane.
Zooble's obvious body dysmorphia metaphor might be more appropriate than you know. As I understand it; their voice actor has always been self conscious about how masculine her voice sounds, and as such was hesitant to get in to voice acting. It's likely the reason why Zooble had so little screentime in the other episodes
21:41 Who do you mean by Magnus? I only know two Magnuses/Magni/whatever the hell the plural of "Magnus" is, and I doubt you're referring to either of them
I really relate to the struggle, so it's a comfort to see it represented
and Magnus Archives is a horror podcast! it's similar to the energy of this episodes whole "recorded tape talking about a creepy event with a creature/ghost/cryptid/thing"
This episode really did cement Kinger as one of my favorites in this crazy cast.
is it should!! he's such a dope character ♡
My favorite time of the week. A nevaeh evol upload. See you in stream tonight
Hope you enjoyed it!
My theory is that kinger was affected somehow by touching an abstracted person and that’s why the dark has the same effect on him that it does on abstracted people. maybe it’s also where the memory issues came from as well
I also read a theory somewhere that he’s waiting for abstraction in order to reunite with his wife and it’s having the opposite affect of preventing him from abstracting
I really enjoyed the reaction a lot. It’s also very awesome that the show got licensed by Netflix. Each episode will be on both that and TH-cam
Came in for the potential Luigi's Mansion references, stayed for the Resident Evil
that is such a 🧑🏼🍳muah! comparison
I don't think caine has an original human mind since he seems INCAPABLE of understanding the human condition. He can grant anyoen anything they ask for that is physucally possible. Zooble wanted to change, so caine snapped his fingers and now zooble can change. it's like trying to negotiate with a genie that wants to do the wishes correctly but doesn't know how. Like you ask for a million bucks, and you get 1 million deer because he didn't know you were using bucks as slang for money.
The frozen hell you read about was probably referring to the 9th Circle of Hell from Dantes Inferno. A frozen lake reserved for betrayers.
> Took a moement to look it up. Apparently Hell is "Canonically" described as an endless inferno, not ice.
In some mythos, the deepest parts of hell trade inferno for ice. I think the first mention of it in relation to the Christian hell, as opposed other underworlds, is Dante's inferno.
I guess "canonically" isn't the best choice of words, huh? but thank you for looking it up, you two!
Oh my gah
:o
So far. This is my favorite episode
understandably so!
It's crazy how your brain scan theory is almost beat-for-beat the official Film Theory take
Because its the most obvious choice... But also the most boring one because it has been done to death by now, the only good recent spin on it was the game soma because it uses an inverted version of it.
The tape recorders were actually a reference to the evil Dead series. There were a couple of references to the evil Dead series especially when Pomni gets possessed by the spirit semen. It's the best way I can describe it. And apparently I'm not the only one that thinks that so I guess tada for wonderful twisted gutter minds. We all think alike! Nice to know that I'm not alone.
I think a very important line is Pomni saying "he just wants me to suffer." We're *supposed* to think she's talking about Caine...but is she?
This episode proves one thing in particular: Kinger is a Giga Chad and we must protect our glorious king from enemies like Jax!!!!
My favorite international representation is giving translations their own jokes. For example, Spanish Kinger inatead informs the angel that he doesn't speak Lovecraftian. And Polish Caine calls the group Skibbidi Sigmas which Jax calls brainrot and tells him to never say that again.
Polish Jax does not call it Brainrot, you're confusing that with the version Alex Rochon recorded recently.
Love the intro artwork there with the high quality Nev and banner. The frill "Wings" are neat.
Your Cain theory is interesting but might take away from the idea all the NPCs are sapient, with it making a divide between them and the main cast being "Utterly Nonhuman" and "Human Uploads". Probably not saying it right but woke up unpleasantly.
Good day evol bit late watching this still feel you may enjoy the monster girl fitness video
Your drowning comments bringing me back to when I was world building a Hell and how the soul bodies functioned. *regenerate, rate of regeneration related to degree of injury and how soon the damage stopped *no point for a soul in Hell to be healing while being torn apart of living razer wire in a surreal dark forest*, the healing making the flesh new with zero habituation to pain, but 80 percent or more damage all at once triggering a respawning. (I like to imagine it works similarly in Hazbin Hotel with what we've heard). But the point here was that souls in my Hell realized that the body reacts like its alive, feel hunger and thirst even if you can't "die" from it, same with breathing. So being forced underwater is just constant suffering as the lungs burn and body spasms from it...also same being buried alive...but worse as its things like sand now stuck in your lungs even as you can't pass out or die as your insides are constantly being torn apart in little cuts and your body forces you to continue to try and breathe.
Satan: First of all, just wanted to say, HUGE fan
Is it odd that I have a thing for Princess Loolilalu from episode 2 and Martha Mildenhall from episode 3?
First Gumigoo and now Kinger. This show needs to stop kicking my heart in the D (yes I went SAOA quote there).
the heart dick must be protected ToT
Fun fact, Gooseworx has not yet confirmed Kinger's wife. In fact, the topic has been skirted around several times. While it may be thematic that Queenie was Kinger's wife, it is just as likely that any other female abstracted character was his wife.
WAIT imagine if Queenie was his best friend or "work wife" and Kingers real wife was a different character! if that's the case, his kinship w Queenie may have contributed to his wife feeling "unloved or unwanted" as he was cautioning Pomni
@@NevaehEvol Honestly, I didn't think that far ahead. It would be very thematic to the episode if that were the case!
Fun fact: in polish Caine calls them “skibidi sigmas”
Alex and Michael dubbed the line…. D it’s on Alex’s channel
In Spanish, Caine calls them “little milky furries”
I don't think Zooble could say the first word that came to mind...not without a lot of those censor cards popping up.
in dantes inferno there are circles of hell and one is indeed frozen, i forget the symbolism its supposed to represent but its a thing
No joke I’ve watched many reactors say What at the same time as Caine when Bubble speaks backwards.
Either there, or Kinger's What? at the monster's reveal
The Icy Hell might be a reference to the part of Helheim in norse Mythology guarded by a Dragon that feast upon the damned soul if I remembered correctly it's been a good while since I've kept up on Mythology
In Dante's Inferno (the most thorough depiction of Hell) it gets colder the deeper down you go.
@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth my knowledge on Devil May crystal series if that's what you are referring to is a bit low ,but that is interesting information.
I think longer was the programmer, Queenie and Jax are game testers, zooble model designer, gangle storyboarder, and ragatha idk
Magnus Archives was mentioned and I was summoned
Speaking of people with no mouths, I’d love to see you react to kaizo trap!!
I think it was a medieval description you heard.
Before that, hell was depicted with blacks and reds, and burned hotter than any fire.
But later on, it was described with more blue colors, being farther from the light of “god.” Or something like that. I don’t remember which piece of literature did it first though. Perhaps some old version of a bible?
The "cold and dark" depiction originated from Dante's Inferno, where Hell got colder the deeper in you went. Before that, depictions of Heaven and Hell were very rare, as they were deemed beyond our understanding.
If Slenderman had a face, I'd say this monster's would be a good match. Someone try copy/pasting this monster's looks over Slender's blank head.
I wonder if Kinger might've gotten in an argument with his wife and said or did something really mean and hurtful to her before she abstracted and the reason why i say this is because of when him and Pomni were in hell he said to Pomni cherish the people around you because you never know when they'll be gone in this world the worst thing you can do is make someone think they're not wanted or loved
Very late to comment on this, to the point where I'm certain everyone already said everything that could be said about this episode... Except this:
Ghostly is the best character.
...That is all.
Edit: One other thing, it's interesting that you're adamant that Caine isn't AI, despite that being confirmed by the creators themselves for a good long while. Then again, people are also convinced that Jax is AI despite the characters also confirming that he is (or was) human. Just hope people are prepared just in case their deeply held theories end up being debunked in the show.
13:33 In the German dub the scene doesn't work like that:-[shrieks] -[Kinger]: I'm sorry, could you speak up? I couldn't quite make that out. but like this: (average Frenchman) Sorry, could you repeat that? I don't speak French.
I'm still enjoying your videos and some, but yeah, it is a wonderful and glorious show 😊. Also, the ghost or spirit woman who's drinking tea with "Agathab 🪢", "Jack🃏"," and Noble🎭" in the dinner table? She is the exact same woman on her husband's desk drawer. But "Zoble 🧩🪅💪🦿" is indeed an understandable character that she is a magle of ports, yet she still misses her own body, but i realize that!? Thus, Kingger is one of the greatest 🫅 of all time yet also... I do know one thing, but #NoSpoilers.
However, keep up the glorious work and the gorgeous job,... thus thy shell not have thy Soul!! 😶🌫️ [Was up danger Spiderman Song!] Anyway, have a fantastic day and stay strong 💪 You got this. 🪖🫡🥇🏅🎖🏆
❤️🔥❤️🔥 Indominate soul
❤️✨️💖 Wonderful Harvester 😉😊
Okay-by!!
i agree that they are brain scans. but there is a extra step in logic that is required
if they are copies of the OG people, why is there a implied large time gap between people arriving
Computers run faster then the human body. so for them what would feel like months or Years, could be hours outside
in Dante's Inferno the lowest level of Hell is frozen because it's furthest from God. Dante's Inferno isn't part of the bible, it was written in the 14th century. Some would say a frozen Hell came from Norse myth. In modern day according to historic protestant traditions, Hell was made for the unrepentant like the Devil and other fallen angels. None can clearly say when humans first arrived in Hell, but the fallen angels were its first residents.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, at this point, I don't trust Caine.
No matter what the creators said.
Also, Pomni, Kinger and Zooble are definitely the highlights here. I'm glad there's more growth from them.
Hay evol, putting Fennah still, honestly if you end up watching it and hate it that honestly fine different view and all that just don't want to hype it up to much you know,anyway have a good one
fun fact.
your not the first reaction youtube to say what at the same time as cain
Pomnin did nothing wrong
she did everything wrong always /j
Oh yeah and Nevaeh the version of Hell you were talking about isn't from Christianity the version you were talking about is from Norse Mythology and it's known as Helheim
Nevaeh x Ghost woman
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@@NevaehEvol 😎
The cold h e 🏒 🏒 is not the Bible its from the same mythology as thor
More likely, it's a reference to Dante's Inferno, the most famous depiction of Hell, which described it as getting colder and darker the deeper you went.