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New music sucks because most of the musicians are not very good at playing their instruments, the singers are not very good at singing, and the lyrics are whiny and written for 12 year old girls. Oh, by the way, Rock Music peaked long before the 2000s.
Eh, it’s always been like that though. For the people in the comments here who spend a lot of time on music it may seem that way but it’s always been that for normies. They blast music while they focus on something else.
For some, sure, but like all trends it'll eventually die, and also like all trends there will continue to be people who never buy into it and hated it all alone. In the case of vibe music, the hate is justified because it's so bland. It's like oatmeal without flavouring, but at least oatmeal is good for you.
@@midnight-2021Exactly. I mean people who consider content lost and heavily lost focus compressed ruined noise good will never know how to appreciate true art. Keep getting brainwashed by media and mainstream, do and listen to what people want them to, poor empty souls. They can't even finish listening to song that's too long, just like falling asleep listening to orchestra.
If you want elevator music, Vaporwave from the middle of last decade is actually superior to the current charting tracks. At least that can be enjoyed ironically.
If I recall, "Shoegaze" was actually coined by a critic of the genre. The bands were literally gazing at their shoes because of how often they hit the effects pedals.
I mean moreso because they need to find the right pedal since some of them have these insane 5 foot wide pedal boards with a crazy amount of pedals that they layer for different sounds. Shoegaze technique is mostly barre chords and tremolo picking but they get interesting soundscapes by layering pedals
I'm almost 50 and what shocks me is how genuinely interested my 20s coworkers and acquaintances are in my music recommendations. I've gotten so many people into older artists, from Wu Tang to INXS to the Stooges to the Talking Heads to Fiona Apple. They have genuine enthusiasm for older stuff, especially deeper cuts from people they may have heard but never got past the top two or three most popular Spotify tracks. I have no problem being the old man who shouts at the cloud. I own it. I still believe music can make a rebound, but as long as people are more concerned with fitting in and not seeming uncool or dated by calling new stuff out for being weak the harder that will be. Music without emotion won't connect with people, and there's way too much trendy production without any underlying soul. Don't get me wrong, stuff like that has always existed, it's just that now it's such a high proportion because of the algorithms and people trying to play it save and stay squarely in genres.
There’s a major stigma on calling out new music in any way. Especially online, if you express any criticism or negativity people come out of the word works to call you boomer and somehow try to act like the new stuff is actually superior and of equal quality. I feel like this makes a lot of people afraid to speak up.
My work literally banned me from queuing music on the speakers because the HR woman got pissed at me for playing Cannibal Corpse, and I said straight faced that I don't even consider it to be heavy (which was true I listen to 10x heavier)
I just turned 50 and agree. My 12 year-old needed a favorite song for a list on her sheer team. She chose Losing My Religion above everything else out there. She listens to music with me on the road to and from practices and competitions. We usually listen to SXM Faction Punk, 80's on 8, 1st Wave, and Lithium. I also listen to rock from the 70's and 80's, like Heart, Yes, and Ozzy, and she loves them all.
So true. Maybe we are in an era that needs a revolution. Like Elvis, The Beatles, Nirvana or a whole new thing like Rap or Freestyle. It will come back. Good stuff is underground these days. It will pop back up again. Always has always will
Kind of disingenuous to imply anything past the early 2000s doesn’t have passion and effort. That couldn’t be farther from the truth. Each decade has their own fame chasers and actual artists.
@@very_many_days9710 Hozier was making music since 2008 and his debut was in 2013, nobody’s denying his talent… Chill and don’t take “2000s” literally!
This is depressing. Some of my best memories are literally sitting around with friends obsessing over music, going to endless rock shows at the community center, and planning my life around trips to the music store in the next town over. It's sad to think my daughter wont ever experience some of this.
Same, I spent my teenage hours listening to lotsa music back in the day. Actually stayed up on school nights flipping in between different genres of radio stations enjoying all the music. Can’t remember recently wanting to do that! I get that I’m older, but no one is inspiring to me musically! It’s depressing!
I was practically raised by my sister, who was very much alive during the emo days. Cuz of her, she has successfully raised an emo who wishes her teen years were in 2000's, not 2020's
James 359: Is that what's depressing? That she won't be able to go see a bunch of on- life -support acts with her dad? Did you and your friends get together and share a love of Steve Miller Band and The Beach Boys? What's depressing is that kids are losing the experience of having something that is for them and bonds a generation. You think these kids will be sitting around talking about post Malone and the avengers movies like old f*cks talk about pink floyd or black sabbath?
Artists don't want to make art, they want to go viral. Listeners aren't listening, they're consuming. And culture becomes just a trend. Boycott all this shit. Support real art.
i'll never get people who say this. in this day and age there's such an unthinkable abundance of music that you'll literally never be lacking for something new that also suits your tastes. and whether or not that something is fashionable shouldn't really matter. at least it doesn't matter all that much for me. like who cares if the mainstream is all about lofi background shit these days? if that really matters to you all you need to do is give it time and the tides will change, as they always have. art doesn't have any "progression" just constant change. just my 2c. sorry if i came off rude.
I'm a late Gen Z musician who never in my lifetime used or even considered using TikTok, and the main takeaway for me is that you should make whatever music you like, because the market is so saturated that there's audience for literally everything. Vibey music might be big (since around mid 2010s) but big hooks still make billions of views (Dua Lipa, K-Pop). I consider TikTok aesthetics a big bubble and there's life outside of it.
You can blame TikTok for making it worse, but the trend started before then. TH-cam had an impact, and Instagram had an even greater impact. When you are consuming multiple forms of media that require auditory attention, music that grabs your attention is less well suited than music that doesn't. Even back in the 2000s I knew people who would put music on while they were watching sit-coms and I always thought they listened to the blandest music, but I was actively listening to everything at the time and they wanted a vibe in the background. TikTok introduced an interesting twist where a video has 3 seconds to grab you attention before its gone, so hooks still have a place, but that forces TikTok into something that requires more active engagement and requires the background to compete for less attention.
@@michaelbodalski tik tok is lowering the attention span of a whole generation. They watch a few 100 in a few minutes and nothing of what they saw has any relevance.
I forget who it was, but about a decade ago someone said ‘in 20 years most songs will be less than 2 minutes long and only heard in the background as you go about your day’. Seems it’s happening even faster than they thought.
I feel like people don’t actually want to listen to music anymore. I grew up in the 2000s, and even the pop music of the time, (which nowadays I can’t stand modern radio pop almost as a general rule) had something memorable to it that got me to actually listen and thus I still remember a few of those songs and artists fondly today.
I grew up in the 2010s and I absolutely loved music from the early/mid 2000s (so at the time only 10 or so years ago) and I still do. I really didn't like the pop music I grew up with in the 2010s but thought maybe with nostalgia I will look back at it fondly in 10 or so years. I do not. There's just something "off" about music since the very late 2000s I cant really put my finger on it.
Most of my life, I only liked to listen to instrumental songs. Even with 1 and a 1/3 of a year, I can understand the things that can be done right and wrong with musics with lyrics. One thing that I can say, though, is that contemporary musics with lyrics sure do lots of right things, and lots of mistakes that aren't really noticed.
in 2000s I didn't like mainstream pop and was more into kpop, cpop, jpop and some rock/metal but nowadays compared to modern pop music, I feel nostalgic about 00s pop and rather listen to Britney Spears than Taylor Swift
I've said this before, but I believe that the 2020 Pandemic is what really kicked a lot of this off. With people spending so much time working doing business from home, it makes sense to me that their preference would make an eventual switch to something more for the back ground vs. something that is lyrically going to be taking their focus off of their work. Another reason I think this could be the case is (again) with people spending more time at home, including a lot of musicians, it kind of pushed them into a different place and gave them an opportunity to create something different than they normally would have, for better or for worse.
@@witchyraptor I never said that i think it "went bad".... I think it just went different. I enjoy the vibe-music of the last few years just as much as the catchier songs with hooks
@@witchyraptor Music sucked fifteen years ago, then briefly got better (still not great but somewhat better) around a decade ago for around five years. Now we are back to the bad old days of the late aughts.
Seems like we went from mumble rap to mumble rock and mumble pop. 😂 Makes sense. People don’t actively buy music to enjoy it. Before streaming we would actively choose to go to brick and mortar stores, pick an album or two to buy. Go home and actually dedicate time to listen and experience it. And we’d listen to it over and over. There wasn’t a buffet of stuff and our disposable income only allowed us to buy albums every couple of weeks. We kinda had to get into whatever we chose. Our relationship to music was active. Now we just need music to be background noise because we are afraid if not being entertained 24/7. But it needs to be noise to fit the mood, the vibe. And non stop too. Now our relationship to music is passive. It’s no wonder that it can just be about the vibes. It is not necessarily good or bad. It just is our modern world.
This explains why Daft Punk finally quit making music. People are detached from music. Just a random thought. While technology and social media is wonderful, it also shoves out some of the beautiful aspects of what came before. Totally hit me in the gut, Finn, when you mentioned sitting and listening to an album and looking over the album art and stuff. Man I miss that.
It is why I started collecting vinyl and repurchasing CDs. The physical aspect connects me to the music. From the act of picking out and spinning up an album (and flipping over) to holding the cover or case and looking it over. Plus, I actually own that piece of music and it takes time and effort to sort, store, clean and maintain them to justify the costs I put in sourcing and purchasing. I don’t just consume music, I have an interaction with the form it has been delivered on. But of course, on the go it is digital all the way.
I am sorry, there are still tons of bands who make music like that and who put a lot of thought and heart into their art work. But i do not see them mentioned ever on channels like this one or any other halfway decent music journalism around here. Every band that gets mentioned is either a million record selling artist or a name you hear everywhere, even if you do not care one bit about them or their music. But if you are naming Daft Punk to begin with, maybe you don't care at all about any of what i have to say or any of the bands i could name. I am/was part of the experimental music scene in Vienna both as a musician and live sound guy and i have done the sound for hundreds and hundreds of bands who play in front of 5 to 100 people and they are absolutely incredible! So every time i see a video like this or a comment like yours with the "i am missing the days of listening to music and looking at the cover art", i just have to open my mouth.
@lowandodor1150, yes, but, see, the problem is that those bands are not receiving the kind of attention they deserve, which is why they're never talked about. The crap Top 40 artists that are usually held up as the example of today's music, are the ones who are unfortunately, receiving all the attention & accolades. Good to know underground music scenes apparently still thriving, though. That gives hope for the future.
Most of what is considered mainstream is mundane and boring because the labels can make more money promoting something that’s safe and accessible. The Bands and Artists that will be remembered are the ones who prioritise taking risks and trying something new that pushes the boundaries.
@@TheSalPic Most artists who take more risks have more niche cult followings and don’t have the same mainstream success that previous artists would have been granted with. You can draw similarities to the hair metal era with rock music but the mainstream nowadays doesn’t welcome new movements like they did with grunge.
This whole idea of the labels having that much control over what is released doesn’t make a lot of sense though with streaming being the predominant format of music consumption. Most artists make all of their stuff in a bedroom and practically make whatever the hell they want to and release whenever they feel like it. They don’t have to care about what radio or MTV wants. They only care about their fanbase and nothing more. The labels, meanwhile, recognize this and only really care about whether or not the albums and work created can make up for all of the money invested into the artist’s career (remember, label advances are loans meant to pay for studio time and album that have to be paid back with interest which means most artists are broke and in tons of debt). The best compa I could make to your point is how a lot of fans of certain automotive focused TH-camrs like Scotty Kilmer will complain about the reliability of new cars without understanding how much more reliable EVs are and how big of a shift they will create in the industry. The old paradigm is gone and a new era has arrived but a lot of people simply don’t understand what has happened.
he actually fucked up. He used gvf master to show "the meandering of a song that goes nowhere" , completely opposite - that song is super powerful , he just has screwed way of seeing things.
Yes to all of this. I own a dance studio and we keep using older music because we literally can't dance to anything new. It's becoming more and more frustrating.
what genres do dance studios play, if the music is new vs old? legit curious. doubly so since there's so much retro pop these days (from like 2007 onwards - i remember first hearing O'Spada on Myspace) that sound like 80s or 90s pop
So, can you only dance to 4/4 time signatures? Or can you not follow a beat when they use less traditional kick and snare sounds? What gives? What has technically changed in music that inhibits you from being able to dance to it now? You LITERALLY can dance to modern music, you just don't LIKE to do so.
You’re not alone, Finn. I love the hooks in music and enjoy grooving to that along with the lyrics. It baffles me how “vibes”, lo-fi and trap music has been dominating the weekly Billboard Top 100.
@@HiGlowie And mumble rap as well. At least for me anyway. I am a Rock N Roll fan of all genres and its crazy to me how Trap, EDM, Lo-fi and Mumble Rap, and your typical Pop music is crushing it worldwide. While Rock music is mostly enjoyed by those of us who grew up with it. I think us millennials are the last generation to grow with rock in the 90s and 2000s. Gen Z is a different breed, they love the feels that modern music gives them. I feel old LOL.
People I work with use lo-fi hip hop to study which kind of makes sense, since they don't want distractions. Listening to it on its own is the most boring, mind-numbing shit.
songs on the billboard top 100 are always pop songs, in the way they are written, well except maybe Pink Floyd and TOOL. Commercial potential of a song will guarantee staying power on the charts, that's for sure
I noticed that artists make music specifically to go viral or be used in a TikTok. A TON of drake's new music sounds like that was the goal especially since toosie slide
The other week I was driving back in the van from work with my brother. There was some modern trap- like song playing on the radio. After a minute I found myself thinking 'wtf even is this?' By brother seemingly read my mind and changed station. The Backstreet Boys came on. It sounded incredible in comparison. My brother, again seemingly reading my mind, said 'doesnt that sound so much better?' I agreed. And, btw, we have very different music tastes. So when even the shitty mainstream of music of 20 years ago sounds so much better than the shitty mainstream music of today, you know that todays music really does suck.
It's cause the young guns in rap/ pop don't care about song structure. It's everything. A lot of stuff nowadays is "alright, that's the first verse, now what?" and then it's over!!
I was born in the mid to late 80’s and grew up in the 90’s to mid 2000’s. My generation and the generations before us listened and enjoyed the music that came before us. I feel like that is lost on these newer generations.
@ThePowerman121, yes! My generation, we loved the music from our parents generation, but there's lots of youngsters nowadays, who don't exactly have that same appreciation for our music. Though, from what i've heard, many starting to come around & appreciate, not only my generation's music, but the stuff, that came before us, as well.
100% agree I’m an 80s baby and while I love so much the artists I grew up with Britney Spears, the spice girls and Christina Aguilera) I also love 80s artists. Like Madonna, Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston and bands like Queen( though I kind of became a fan with the movie Bohemian Rhapsody), Bon Jovi and Aerosmith. I can tell you i love music from the 80s till maybe mid 2010s.
There wasn’t a way around it for our generation, usually the first music we listened to was old LPs and cassettes from our parents. I loved listening to my dad’s collection as a toddler😂 Later in school we started to listen to the radio and buy/share CDs. Nowadays, there is no need for that, as every preteen already has a TT account… Honestly, I’ll simply blame the parents for this trend!😂☠️
Actually is the opposite ... Centennials and Alphas consume and enjoy even more "old music" (considering the time period between their age and the music release) than Gen X and Millenials at the same age back in the day (kids today listen, enjoy and refference 80s music that's 4 decades old ... the 90s equivalent of that was for a preteen to do the same with postwar-50s music, just unthinkable)
Foolproof something and you'll likely find someone foolish enough to break it, whether it be deliberately or by mistake. Smoke detector neglect, anyone?
Right on. I just had a 'conversation' with a 19-year old on a forum. They asked something about something I know alot of, so I answered in detail. It was eight sentences. They replied 'Bro I ain't reading all that thats a fucking essay'.. It's quite sad in my opinion that someone doesn't even have the attention span for reading a few sentences on a topic they ASKED about.
@@evabakker so basically your ego is wounded because you proudly pontificated about a subject that you were highly interested in, but the other fellow, not so much. Sounds like some neurodivergence there. I get it. I used to talk at length to my mother(a Boomer) about X-Men and not a word of it sunk in until they made movies.
I was reading an article about why labels are struggling to find artists with staying power and I really think streaming has made music disposable just because of the sheer quantity of music that people have access to at any given moment. On average, Spotify recommends me 60 songs that i haven't heard every week in the Release Radar and Discover Weekly playlists. Thats 240 songs a month. (About 8 hours of new songs a month). Its hard to focus on a singular artist when there are so many vying for attention at the same time. It's not like TRL in the 2000s when you had a a focused list of what most people liked which was basically like the same 8-10 artists over and over. I don't think music sucks now. i just think artists are struggling to stand out in an era where everything is hyper-disposable.
I was hanging out with my dad this weekend listening to old songs (60s, 70s, 80s) and there is obviously a clear change from making objectively "good" music that will be a classic and timeless to the majority of music today being background noise. I like a lot of new music, but I feel like many artists are just pumping out whatever they can to stay relevant (probably has a lot to do with their record deal). Sometimes I feel like Randy Marsh listening to new music, trying my hardest to look for the good or silver lining and ignore when my brain just hears toilet sounds...
The chorus in "The News" from Paramore's new album always get stuck in my head. I've been a fan of them for about 12 or 13 years and i love that their not afraid to change up their sound in albums despite the possible backlash they may get from old school fans. They kinda just go for it.
I could never enjoy music produced by anyone who exploits their employees and treat them like dirt in public or private. That girl and her family will have to pay the piper when the time comes.
Probably why Metal has survived for over 50 years and will still be around 50 years from now. I asked my little 12yo brother who likes everything which he would rather hear... A random metal song or random pop song. "Metal" was.his immediate response. 🤘
I believe the music industry is currently in a dire situation compared to past decades. We seem to be stuck in a musical cycle, relying on algorithms rather than our own sense of hearing to consume music. This might be attributed to the outcomes of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which led to the decline of independent radio and media. As a result, the distinct voices of music DJs who introduced unique music and facilitated the discovery of new genres, artists, and bands were silenced.
@@backoffpeerI don't know if I would call woke edgy gender- benders representative of a mature and monotonous life tbh but they certainly represent a cultural shift (for the worse as far as I can tell).
@@stephenhughes5156left is the establishment today. it was other way around for a very long time and that's how you got rebellious music for years and it made sense but now rock sold out to the establishment and became the establishment and because music is more of youth thing and youth is always rebellious of course you got anti establishment music like hiphop to be the new mainstream genre and now hiphop is turning establishment so now we have a window of opportunity to turn rock around to be the rebellious leader of music again but this time it has to be right wing
This video finally pointed out the shit I've been feeling about the-- what I didn't wanna call blandness, but lack of inspiration in modern music. Before, music could be the soundtrack of the life of whoever was listening to it, but now it's hard to even find enjoyment in modern songs without knowing and affiliating the song with the attached celebrity.
This video represents a probably somewhat unpopular but legitimately good take. So few songs have that “YO START THAT SH*T OVER” quality, just so you can hear the hook or how hard that one riff or line goes again. We have officially entered the “Fans Also Like” playlist era. Pick a song that fits your mood, and let The Algorithm keep you there. I’m not really even saying that’s a bad thing, because I would have loved that back when you had to swap out the CD to play what your heart wanted to hear next. Not to mention how much easier discovering new music is because of The Algorithm’s [usually frighteningly correct] assumptions. I don’t love the cause, but I appreciate the effect of people finding out about bands they would have otherwise never heard of.
I think a good example is Duster, which went from being beloved cult band to being a beloved well known band thanks to tiktok. At least the algorithm gave a underrated band a good push they deserved
Yes 100% not everything is gloomy, while I definitely think the music right is not my cup of tea with a few exceptions. I don’t blame tech to that transition, I feel blessed we have now streaming services like Spotify and yes playlists are cool. From the recent artists I’m quite enjoying Olivia Rodrigo especially her new album guts. Her sour era was mehh to me that awful viby background music but Guts is getting in the middle which is becoming quite interesting. It’s not the hooks of You give love a bad name, hit me baby one more time or we are never ever getting back together but it’s pretty listenable especially I want to get him back.
I couldn't really explain what felt wrong with new music in the past few years, but this makes total sense and describes my feelings. Great video as always
I've had this conversation the other day with a younger guy I work with. (I'm 40, he's 27) and I asked him if he's ever listened to an album? And he replied with, "I listen to music a lot." I clarified, by saying, "have you ever put an album on Spotify or however you listen to music and listened to it start to finish? Not while you're doing something else, but listening to music being the thing you're doing." He thought for a little while and said, "no, I don't think I have." I told him he should try it some time. He asked me for suggestions, and I know that he has been exposed to a lot of classic rock because he's got some older siblings, so I gave him a few suggestions and the next Monday I asked him about if he'd had time to listen to music and he was so excited to tell me about listening to "Rumors" by Fleetwood Mac, beginning to end. How he just got lost in the music, just listening with his eyes closed. I'm with you, I'm not here to say young people are "doing it wrong" for the music they like or anything like that, because it's their time and every generation gets their time. But I think the difference with people our age, is that we, just by functioning in modern culture, consume music the same way young people do. Unlike my parents, who never gave a shit about music me or my friends listened to, we hear this generation's music constantly just by existing online. So we have experienced both sides of this issue. I don't know anyone who grew up listening to albums who prefers the new way, but hey, the kids are going to do what the kids are going to do.
I'm 42 and I still have a big old stereo next to my bed that I listen to cds on. I lay there and pound the tunes. Listen to my favourites. Also when you like a whole album it really grows on you the more you listen to it until you love it. I think it's harder to do that online because we're bombarded with so much variety.
It's not just a classic rock thing though. There are a lot of albums I'll put on and just listen to. Painkillers (2016) and Sleepwalkers (2018) from Brian Fallon, Trail of Flowers (2024) from Sierra Ferrell, History Books (2023) from The Gaslight Anthem, I'll Be your Girl (2018) from the Decemberists, The Man From Waco (2022) from Charley Crockett, Little Songs (2023) from Colter Wall, The Battle at Garden's Gate (2021) from Greta Van Fleet, etc.
I like the guy but his obsession with pushing new music just because it's new gets on my nerves a little. Just as annoying as "back in my day they made real music".
Listen, I’m a fan of Finn and his videos, but oftentimes he has some…questionable takes on music. I guess him being the most reasonable could just mean that so many other youtubers have such garbage takes that it makes Finn’s seem better by comparison
As soon as Lana Del Rey came to the mainstream scene in 2012, it's slowly the beginning of the end for hook, upbeat, party, catchy, chorus type music in pop music & her effect on other genres.
@@flumee yes & she's very talented but her "hook" is different than other pop hook. And her first album is the reason of the change of pop culture in the past decade. Finn doesn't like her music anyway even with her "hook".
@@flumee "Vibe" does not imply otherwise. It's not a dogwhistle for bad, it's a reference to music that rewards background listening. Brian Eno intentionally made music that was designed to disappear into the background and he is often regarded as one of the greatest artists of the 20th century.
Honestly it’s not that new music sucks, I think it’s our relationship with music that sucks. Often treated as secondary or complimentary to some other activity but honestly the fact that music is something that is integrated into every part of our lives is great and hopefully the main trend will turn to treating music a bit more seriously in the future but either way as long as there is music I can live with it
As someone who primarily listens to electronic music I've always been fighting the battle of finding actually good albums instead of just a collection of tracks that may or may not be that good. Your point about particularly long winded albums that are more of a vibe than an experience really hit home with me. I have some albums that I love but there's no real flow to them despite sounding good the whole time.
I’ve been a punk and metal fan for the last 25 years, but what I’ve really liked the last few years is vapourwave . Maybe it’s because of the aesthetics, or nostalgia for the 80s and 90s, but I love to put a playlist on while I’m doing something.
Vaporwave is an interesting one because it's also 'vibe' music but in a different way to what's being discussed here. Like, the best vaporwave is music for music's sake even though there's not really any hooks. It's more than background music and it's certainly not there to soundtrack viral Tiktoks
I'm all good with vibe music, I'm a huge synthwave fan and that genre is mostly just vibes and arpeggios, but I gotta say.. The problem these days isn't that vibe music took over, it's that it's all shit vibes.. It's not gloomy vibes or happy vibes, it's like "i'm bummed I have to go pick up my drycleaning" vibes.. It's "oh I guess we're doing this now.." vibes... It's "I can't believe I'm still working at McDonalds.." vibes.. This whole era's "vibe" could be summed up with "It is what it is..." There's no savagely depressed vibe like Emo or Grunge... It's just pop music with a thinner sound played by people who just seem bored..... Soft hitting bland songs for those who don't have time to listen.
As always, massive music appeals to the masses. The masses tend to be from average to even less intelligent, and this isn't me calling myself or anyone "more intelligent", it's just that the bar is very low and always has been. So the current "vibes" are superficial music of the vibe that has existed in many genres in the past, many of them intrumental like Synthwave. I listen to many different metal genres, some classical music, some older pop, hip hop, etc. And a lot of it doesn't always have "hooks" or even a chorus at all, but the vibes definitely say waaay more than most of this current "vibe" music. When 90% of popular music seemed to sing about "love", it was the same problem. A very superficial and overly dramatic and even toxic version of romantic "love" is what was portrayed.
Once again, you have vocalized my thoughts much better than I ever could. The way I've described modern music is "Music on Vicodin". It's made to sit back, expressionless, and drool on yourself while staring at a cloud. Not only does it evoke no emotion, but it almost suppresses it. Well said.
There's 2 ways to enjoy music, vibe vs composition is a perfect way to put it. I read a study years ago about how metal listeners and pop listeners use 2 different parts of the brain when listening to music. Neither is right or wrong, but this is why I think there's such a distinct divide between fanbases. It's like comparing soccer players to American football players. Metal fans want to experience the music itself, pop fans want background music to add to whatever experience they're already having
I'm a shoegaze fan. Hooks are cool but I can also live without them. MBV has had longevity. I was first introduced to them by a friend group 10 years younger than me in the mid 00s and they remain relevant today. (When MBV first came out I was ignoring all forms of music that were not jazz so I had lots of catching up to do) So yeah "vibe" music can have longevity. I think there are certainly valid points to the premise of the video in terms of use of music as an audio effect for the tiktok short video format. That's happening, but there are still large amounts of new young music fans being minted every day. They listen to songs and albums. When we were kids music meant more to some than to others. Image was a huge part of it back then too. What else was New kids etc or even Axl Rose? Very few kids were listening to the sugar cubes first album when it came out, but some of us were. Also Limp Bizkit was good? wtf. Anyhow there is a deep underground right now coming out with vibey short format music that yea, doesn't really have a lot of hooks, but it is pretty exciting and a very fresh sound. And transformative even. I think when trying to analyze something as complex as music and society you are at best going to come up with a set of confused generalizations that have some truth and substance to them but also are off the mark. But still makes for a thoughtful long format video and certainly worth the watch.
The vibe trend is also present in tv and movie scores/themes, but maybe a little older. TV theme songs are now a few seconds of a vibe. Movies don't have big, singable themes anymore. Think: how many John Williams themes can you recall right now vs. how many MCU themes.
I gave up on it a long time ago, late 90s it turned to shyte for me, especially with autotune but since then its gotten far worse to the point I find it completely pointless and unlistenable and dont understand the mentality of anyone who does listen to it, they must be brain d3ad. No other explanation.
I think artists are moving away from catchy riffs and hooks also due to potential copyright lawsuits. There will always be someone claiming infringement just for a hook that may or may not have been “stolen” or “borrowed”.
I’m in my late 40s and I remember songs my parents played word for word, songs I grew up listening to from start to finish, ages later from rap, metal, rock, etc what ever I was listening to know know the songs. When I went to concerts, I was rocking out to every single track. I can’t imagine just paying money to see a band for a piece of a song you would hear on tic tok and sing a clip and nothing else.. it’s crazy to me. Plus I think it’s why you have these “fans” being bored that they think it’s ok to throw an item at the artist. For me, I miss the days of looking at liner notes and just having a physical copy of an cd. Even if I listen to a band for one track and like that I heard, I would buy the whole cd and listen to every track. These days… I don’t know what’s going on…different energy for a new generation
I was thinking the same thing about the liner notes. I didn't care so much about the art as much as I cared about the liner notes. I would read the lyrics, see who played on and wrote each song, and see who produced it all. I was fascinated by all of it. When I buy a vinyl release for my 16 year old, we both go through and look at all of that still.
I'm still buyin alot of cds off discogs it makes me appreciate what I listen too more and engages me too listen too full albums compared to jumpin around on utube listening to random tracks at my leisure
@@superunknown2812Yup. Thats how I feel about vinyl. The format forces you to be more engaged with the music. My turntable hasn't been running for a couple years tho and now i mostly listen to everything on youtube. It really is an immediate, low investment, disposible format. But man, is it ever convenient!
I feel like Post rock is going to become popular soon. Dubstep often uses the nostalgia and style to create an atmosphere, and it is has become massively popular lately. For that referential music to exist, there has to be progressive forefathers of music treading new ground. This is where post rock comes in; you might not see a lot of Spotify monthly listeners, as people do not actively listen to it. But on meditation playlists on TH-cam theses same bands will get MILLIONS of views! People often need that "soundtrack" type music to escape, some while doing homework or housework, etc. BUT, one of the best qualities of music, active or passive, is that it allows you to internalize it and imagine whatever you personally relate to the music. Its this aspect of music that makes "vibe" music or atmosphere music so entertaining, as you can then spend your imagination actively painting a scene or story in your mind, where you can spend more effort focusing on what emotions the music's scene or story is trying to evoke. So basically, the more atmospheric the music, the more you can get lost in it. :)
@@MxLee192dubstep had already peaked by then in terms of creativity. The golden years were from about 2004-2008. Around 2009 was when it splintered into different factions (including the brostep stuff that blew up in America). I'm less knowledgeable about post-rock but I do remember it being quite popular in the late 90s and 2000s
@@rorz999 Post-rock and Math rock def seemed to be big in the 2000s - early 2010s though I dunno if much of it really went to mainstream success. And dubstep did break into the US mainstream in 2011 and in the UK in 2009 though had been bubbling up as you said for about 5 years prior to that making waves in the underground. Still some good dubstep being made by guys like commodo, and from labels like system & whitepeach.
I think the shift away from hooks in pop music is what lead to the rise of Kpop. The Korean industry still focuses on that larger than life chorus and that infectious hook, and that has translated well across cultural barriers. Kpop has a "more is more" mentality, and that sounds increasingly more distinct and identifiable in a music scene that is content with giving less and less.
@kaydgaming It's a mix of mostly Korean, American, and European producers and song writers. One of the top kpop songs from a few years ago, Bad Boy by Red Velvet, was made by an American production team that realized the songs Pop-RnB sound wouldn't catch on in the US because the market was so focused on trap, so they sold it to a Korean company that turned it into a massive hit.
we humans see the world as cause and effect, but that's not really what happens; everything happens at the same time, for no reason at all. there's really nothing to blame for this. it's just how our species is evolving and how the cosmos works. we could pinpoint tiktok as the "cause" for this change in music, but why delineate time and events in this way? tiktok is just an internet platform and there are always multitudes of converging factors that "create" our current reality and shapes the future, as it were. on a less spiritual note i'm not sure if tiktok caused "vibe music", but it certainly could be one of the big factors - but at the same time isn't it said that tiktok music needs to be catchy and hooky in order to get used in videos? (end diatribe)
As a hip hop fan i have to say that years 2020, 2022 and 2024 were amazing for the genre, so many amazing albums came out for 2020 albums like Pray For Paris, Alfredo and Manger On McNichols, for 2022 The Forever Story, Melt My Eyez See Your Future and Mr Morale & The Big Steppers and for 2024 we got I lay down my life for you, king of the mischievous south, blue lips, dark times and even the kendrick vs drake beef definetly made this year even better
The short answer in my two cents of an opinion is because "making music" has actually become easy and easily more accessible to do given the mediums and platforms that are available now, and this goes for more than just music. Now I'll be quiet and watch the video oh and here's a like 👍
@@KevinElliot-ni4lbI'd love to hear some of the music you've made since it's so easy to make Edit: It's easy to make shit music. Still hard to make great or even mid music
We grew up in the 80s so of course a lot of whats happening is gonna suck, I felt this way about a lot of the music for a while but then I went to a JpegMafia/Danny Brown show and had my head blown wide open. GDamn!! the energy was like a punk show. The sound was like a EDM show. The street vibe was straight gravel. So it doesn't all stink just a lot of it and we have to dig deeper.
I saw foreigner last night on their farewell tour and between them and more recent artists I’ve seen, it’s not even a competition between the two. The older generations of music hits at a different level
Music was great until 2014, everything or mostly everything was crap after 2014, 80s,90s, 00s and earlys 10s (2010-2013-ish) were actually something you could dance to, know its just “vibe” which I cannot stand
I'm not sure you're supposed to understand modern music. Most of it is made for zombies looking into their black box that killed the user's attention span.
I’ve often thought about this. Going to shows is not the same. Everyone is in their phones instead of the moment. There is just a lot of apathy in the music scene both musicians and their fans
If you go to the right shows, everybody is in the moment. Those are the shows I seek out. Just this past week, I saw Death Grips, The Armed, and Queens of the Stone Age and had an amazing time because everybody was engaged and enjoying it together.
Very true. Its strange though because a lot of people seem to be able to distinguish between OBJECTIVELY good TV Shows/movies and trash (though plenty of people still watch trash), but with music the trash seems to get the most plays.
I miss reading the lyrics and on the inside of the CD paper thing. And the art… Does anyone remember when KORN did that contest for their new CD cover art!? 🖤
Its OK being right. this shit these days is garbage. i grew up in the 90s and i was equally exposed to rock, metal, many genres of punk, grunge, QUEEN, sublime and copious amounts of rap and hip hop. it just dont hit the same.
A lot of new stuff is what you’d hear in a department store. It’s not something to sing along to, or has hooks - it’s music that just exists in the background as noise.
I was listening to an NYT music podcast that was talking about this same issue. It’s definitely a feature, and not a bug. Producers, artists, and labels are actually looking for the 15-second clip that can end up being a TikTok sensation. They don’t want the next musical genius. They want something that can be packaged to social media users. That’s it.
I think the drugs of the era play a big role in this. The early 2000s were heavy on uppers and MDMA, which were closely tied to big choruses and feel good moments. Nowadays everyone is on downers like Xanax or opiates (sadly) which has led to a more vibey/atmospheric song structure that works well for a sleepy perc daze.
Interesting take. The much higher chance of anything you take for fun these days having a lethal dose of fentanyl mixed in explains why its all kinda depressing.
Not sure if this is the case. Rockstars half a century ago have been oding on downers and still made banging rock songs instead of “vibes” music. I think society these days just glorify suicide and sadness and the music industry takes advantage
I'm in your shoes. When I was young I promised myself I would never stop listening to new music like most older people did. I managed to keep that promise with myself over the years. But for the first time in my life I feel truly lost. I'm struggling to connect with most new stuff. Finding new music I like is becoming a treasure hunt.
I think a lot of the shift towards vibe music also has to do with the popularity of genres like vaporwave, where people put on hours long mixes and only really care about the song or artist if there's something that really hits the spot about that particular cut - other than that it's like trance music from the 00s, and that's where it's advantageous for the homologation of artists and genres to stand a chance of making it into people's playlists.
I've always been listening too 90s music and it's not just because it's my generation entirely I just feel when it comes to dance music or even hip hop it was fun,the beats made ya bop your head,it was danceable.Rock music/metal/alternative rock was experimental and it worked for that genre where it made it memorable great riffs,great choruses, etc.
@@Booya456 I'd argue the music you're referring to wasn't saturating the radio tho. Somebody like Nelly or Migos would have been a one hit wonder in the 90's. Not huge stars with long careers.
@blackdragon6 yeah like country Grammer when that dropped it was a good jam,danceable, had a good beat,had a good chorus well things sure have changed when it comes to the rap game lol
This shit has been happening waaaaay earlier my man. When the internet started vaporwave, and being obsessed with recycling the industrial, electronic sounds to match the numbness that people feel today! The "CHILL/LO-FI/HIP-HOP BEATs TO STUDY TO" Is where it all began where people wanted this kind of music. Eventually it bled into the mainstream like all things do. It started back in 2016 on TH-cam with mash up songs that people made for fun. Playlists essentially
You're spot on with this analysis. I think there are so many distractions these days that people don't really appreciate what we did previously. I think people are becoming zombiefied and multitasking and like to have this "vibe" thing in the background.
It's just time for experimentation and evolution of the soundscapes. The fact that you listed all those many years where songs were about huge hooks is the EXACT reason why now the sound has to venture out to a different form for a while. It's a pendulum: has to swing both sides. You might not see it now while it's happening, but everyone will later on and reminisce about it.
@stephenhughes5156 meh, that exists in every generation and genre. How many djent or metal guys ripping off Meshuggah? Or guys that took that Linkin Park sound and breakdowns? How many 80s acts did the disco sound, or house music, or reggae? If you really break it down that way, it's not very different every time: there's usually a handful of artists that are highlights of a sound, and then a bunch oh copycat people that benefit from those waves. Everytime a new sound comes, people always compare it to what they know and accuse it of not being "real music," but as we know from this channel especially, give it time, and we'll be looking at this time with some reverence at one point.
To be fair there’s always been plenty of music decades back that were big and influential based off a vibe-sound over hooks, such as psychedelic music. Pink Floyd for example has always been considered one of the greatest bands of all time and they weren’t ever known for hooks. I do agree with your overall point, it’s true that songs without a hook are generally less memorable, but I think it’s just more about who’s a better/more knowledgeable artist
lana actually has a very versatile and expressive voice, with super catchy hooks in her songs. all her stuff has impacted me so much, been stuck in my head for years. she knew how to keep it interesting and give her songs an edge that no one else could ever really capture thats why people have always loved her so much.
TL;DR - Vibe music is a normal response to the last decade and we have had it multiple times already in music history I think something important regarding the shift towards vibe music is contextualizing it through not just the last 40 years, but even the last 400 years of music. For example, we had renaissance era music growing more complex into baroque music up thru 1750 when the classical era begins. The classical era of music from roughly 1750 to 1810 is considered vibe music because it was primarily written as background music for social gatherings, and other events that was very simple compared to its predecessor baroque music. A similar thing happened with the start of jazz was that ragtime developed into swing and eventually saw a growing complexity in response to it as swing music became more associated as just background dance music. So Bebop is born and then even in response to that a decade later starts the era of minimalist Jazz similarly to minimalism in classical music in the 60s. All this to say, there is an ebb and flow with music in its complexity and structures that change always in response to one another. Vibe music is here for now and it’s largely how I identity the 10s decade, but eventually like all other styles there will be a response of something that will essentially be seen as the opposite of it.
Yep there’s always a counter response. Hippies to counter the suites and clean cut, grunge to counter the glam and nu wave, hip-hop and catchy pop to counter 90’s dark alternative, 2010’s dark R&B and Hip-hop to counter that, etc.
First time I discovered you was the video on what Killed Pop Punk. Then rediscovered you again on the video of What Killed Myspace. And now rediscovering you again. I enjoy your videos and bring me back to my highschool days (2008- 2012). A different time that you just had to be there for all the music that was released. Thank you for the memories and you make me want to start creating content myself.
The fact that you researched and had a number of good things to say means your not "old man screaming at cloud."😂 With so much music in so many languages it's clear to see beauty in all music, music is now our supporting character in life.
I was a teenager in the mid 1980’s, when literally EVERY month saw amazing landmark classic albums being released. I thought it would go on forever. Even into my thirties in the early 2000’s there was awesome new music all the time, and I gladly spent money on all of it. Now….nothing. There’s just nothing that sounds like great rock and roll. And I’m always looking. There’s one interesting band called “Cats in Space” from the UK, but depressingly, they’re a bunch of old guys my age. Where are all the kids who should be forming new bands and writing great songs with great hooks? What happened? I’m so bummed, and I don’t think it’s me getting old and out of touch, there just nothing there.
There is some great newer bands out there making good music, you just have to look for them. I suggest checking out a couple bands like “Highly suspect” & “Nothing but thieves”.
If you are looking for modern rock music, you might (and that's a big MIGHT) like bands like Polyphia which is an instrumental rock band. They did a collab with Steve Vai in one of their songs. If you are a fan of Steve Vai you could check them out.
I’m 23 so I know I’m not “just getting old” when I say I really can’t connect to or stand modern music. I don’t use tiktok or anything so maybe that’s why? I haven’t liked a new song that’s been released since like 2017 at least to be frank
When I was really into hip hop, I was listening to groups like Jedi Mind Tricks and La Coka Nostra at the height of their popularity. For me, hip hop was falling off way back in the late 2000’s and has only gotten progressively worse.
lets be honest with ourselves, it was getting bad way before then, with gangster rap and trap music. only reason we give them a pass is cause this shit today is somehow so bad that we give the other stuff a pass
The problem I have with hip hop and rap - and I do enjoy some of it - is that rappers have such a here-today-gone-tomorrow effect. I've noticed this since the 90's. So many artists hit it big, then burn out, then are quickly forgotten and replaced by the next flavor-of-the-month. Because so much rap and hip hop is a flash in the pan, it gets more and more dumbed down, less artistic, less creative, etc.
@@robwalsh9843 because most rap is made by young people who are down on their luck, often gang members or poverty stricken, and just trying to make money. some of them stick around for years because they are true artists, some disappear even if they're true artists because they get killed or have to leave the limelight for other legal reasons. ALSO because it might be hard to become a mainstay when rap as a music style is quite easy to make, as long as you have a decent voice and rhyming schemes and beats, you're good to go with very little equipment i don't know as much about rap from late 70s to late 80s, but that kind of rap came from a slightly different place. some stuck around for a long while - Boogie Down Productions AKA KRS One, Killah Priest, Insane clown Posse, Tech N9ne, Eminem, and probably lots more i'm too much of a hip hop noob to know about. Lo Key is pretty underground but still making music after 20 years on the scene.
i can actually rattle off a ton of songs from 20 years ago that had no hook but still play on repeat in my head when it's otherwise quiet. in the right ears, the vibe actually IS the hook, and can be potentially far more potent than a hook since it's a lot more likely to invoke a nostalgic imprint. hooks don't really invite nostalgia as much as vibe does: hooks can get played so much that you get sick of them... when+where you were when you felt a vibe will be with you always
the aesthetic is all that matters for a lot of popular music like this because that's all a lot of the npcs listening to it are. they stand for nothing, they have no coherent worldviews, they have nothing to say that wasn't just put into their brains 30 seconds ago, so that's what they relate to. this is music used as background noise for the images that define the spectacle. my life a movie and im the main character....issa vibe
Bro I remember standing in line at Tower records in the late 90s to meet Slayer and get my Reign in blood slip cover signed. It was a weekend routine to walk a few miles to coconuts with my 4 droogs and we would each pick out a CD with the most badass cover and of course a Parental advisory sticker. Get high in the woods then sit a bedroom and have our minds blown by some new death,speed,thrash metal album we never heard before. Ahhh the good ol 90s.
This might sound weird, but I think music follows the drugs trending at the time. I like to be hyped up so I pretty much exclusively listen to 70s-early 90s rock when everyone was on coke (even though I wasn't alive for most), then lean became the trendy thing and that opened the door for percs, xans, fent, H, etc and everyone just wanted to lounge around and vibe out so the music began to match the aesthetic
I think the weirdest thing are people slowing down and reverbing songs that are already vibey on their own. I also think there are a good portion of music listeners that want to get lost in the music or use it as as a drug in some sense as cringe as it sounds. Vibey music also isn’t something you can constantly throw on whenever. And it makes it hard to find new music that isn’t just boring to me a lot of the time. One artist that is the exception for me right now is King Krule idk if it’s just exceptional vibe music but for me I just connect to it on a deeper level. A ton of metal has just been boring as well, but that might be just a following trends issue. My friend and I’s new fav thing to do is share and laugh at cringe metal covers of pop songs. Sorry for the scattered thoughts on the subject.
most metal has always sucked balls as most bands are just copycats trying to "make a specific kind of metal". as with any genre really, it takes heart to make music that isn't shitty. most death metal or black metal was always boring as hell. i remember listening to 10-20 albums per week even 15 years ago and usually most of the music was just for me. not necessarily terrible, just boring, or a style i don't like. or maybe it's just that styles are really important to each person and that's why most metal always sucked but it's always different bands for different people lol.... like I remember loving folk metal like Finntroll or Ensiferum or Thyrfing but i couldn't listen to most folk metal. also the reverb stuff is just..... drugs. that kind of music just sounds a lot better when you're high. i wouldn't call it music made for being sober even if you can enjoy it sober. just like dubstep and trap music and psytrance you can just .... literally hear why and how that music is made the way it's made.
Finn, I love this video. The angles you take when it comes to music and just pop culture in general is so well thought out. I feel this is a reflection of our time period. I see this trend with movies and fashion. My opinion- oversaturation and less attention spans You brought up a great point in your tik tok explanation and touched upon it here too. In movies, you see lots of reboots, sequels, and less original ideas, oversaturation or superheroes movies while less story driven, character development movies In fashion you see trends going from left to right with lots of that due to tik tok, / fast fashion, and hypebeasts. But not only that, you have a lot of minimalism, things that are simple yet sell you on LIFESTYLE, and that really comes down to the overexpansion of neuromarketing. If you havent checked out already theres some cool content of that on youtube where it goes into other categories like grocery shopping. Thanks for posting and sharing.
I’ve noticed there’s significant interest in poppy Latin-trap-reggaeton or Afro Beats these days and couldn’t put my finger on it as to why. I feel they both fall in the vibe category and I see a lot of that music used in videos - it seems to be a go-to for holiday Tik Toks
Dude, you are so right! I had hard time wording my feeling about all this new music & it is really true. No hooks, just vibe & aesthetics. The problem with this type of music - there’s literally nothing to hum or scream, you can’t sing along & FEEL feel like what “old” music does to you as a listener.
The only problem I have with this video is Paramore being used as an example of no hook, when “This is why” has been in my head since I heard it. Other than that… I swear he jumped into my head and read out my thoughts.
13:43 is the best explanation of today's music and has a lot of sense: we're no longer in the era of media and culture drunkenness, we're now in the hangover era, that's why we only find comfort in nostalgia, and thinking about what's happening and what's to come just make our heads hurt so music and media in general is just background noise ... and this is happening at all levels and demographics
It's like writing bangers isn't enough anymore Now you have to be the visionary of a multi-media expression of yourself across social media, music videos, fashion, dance choreography, brand collabs, advocacy efforts, etc. The music is just the soundtrack to the world you construct, rather than being the primary product from which everything else is based. This isn't new, but it sometimes feels like music has been falling down the list of emphasis/priority recently. While I dig that people are dreaming big and expanding their creative horizons, at times it feels like a cult of personality and we're not going to be left with much actually timeless music. I wish the pop music industry would remember that not every timeless hit song is going to be written by some stand-out star. There's gonna be a lot of great, memorable songs written by average folks that are worth hearing. Not everything has to come from hype or some overnight Tik Tok star, sometimes the music can speak for itself.
So true. I’ve looked up songs after hearing part of it in a TikTok video, only to find out the rest of it is so lackluster. There isn’t a need to make a full good song to get some attention.
this is exactly how i feel. sometimes, i like TikTok because it exposes more underground artists, so they can get more support. but at the same time, TikTok makes some of these artists think that it's passable to make not-so-good music, as long as there's catchy 15 seconds part in it.
When i was a kid around 2008 my dad got me an used ipod with a lot of random music inside. I didn't knew any or the artists inside, but DAMN was it different back then, just like you said in the video, listening music was THE POINT of music. I recall that ipod had Metallica's Black album in it which was what intelduced me to rock. I find it difficult to hear newer songs because for me, listening to music, reflecting the lyrics (or only the composition when its instrumental music) IS the best past. Needless to say, the majority of songs i hear are old. Damn i miss that ipod days just sitting in the backyard and listening to music looking at the sky.
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New music sucks because most of the musicians are not very good at playing their instruments, the singers are not very good at singing, and the lyrics are whiny and written for 12 year old girls. Oh, by the way, Rock Music peaked long before the 2000s.
@@FamousByFriday Fair enough
okay boomer
Do you actually like Naughty Juice ?because they sound like the bands you make fun of.
Do a video on hed pe
"listening to music is no longer a primary activity." Thats very insightful and true. Mostly used as a background effect these days.
Eh, it’s always been like that though. For the people in the comments here who spend a lot of time on music it may seem that way but it’s always been that for normies. They blast music while they focus on something else.
@@kearingoodwin4856 not always, maybe within the past 5 years
@@shida5320coping hard
Too much content to consume, no time to stop and just listen to music. No time to really stop and just think really.
For some, sure, but like all trends it'll eventually die, and also like all trends there will continue to be people who never buy into it and hated it all alone. In the case of vibe music, the hate is justified because it's so bland. It's like oatmeal without flavouring, but at least oatmeal is good for you.
What keeps this from being “old man yells at cloud” is you actually putting in the effort to understand the changes you don’t like
Exactly
All I need to understand is it sucks, no need to elaborate
@@unijaggerflax2975great way to think bud
Autotune and all of this robotic processed sounding studio engineering just kills it for myself.
@@midnight-2021Exactly. I mean people who consider content lost and heavily lost focus compressed ruined noise good will never know how to appreciate true art. Keep getting brainwashed by media and mainstream, do and listen to what people want them to, poor empty souls. They can't even finish listening to song that's too long, just like falling asleep listening to orchestra.
Basically, music is turning into elevator music.
Something to fill empty space and be as un-intrusive as possible.
Yep, or like the music they play in hotel lounges that's intended to be as unintrusive as possible, while people just soak up the surroundings etc 😎👍
listen to something good like travis scott bro
If you want elevator music, Vaporwave from the middle of last decade is actually superior to the current charting tracks. At least that can be enjoyed ironically.
@@dodgerblue482point proven
@@Yestotoastybagels u have never listened to a travis scott song i can tell
If I recall, "Shoegaze" was actually coined by a critic of the genre.
The bands were literally gazing at their shoes because of how often they hit the effects pedals.
You’re correct.
That’s amazing!
We know this, why does he say something different?
I mean moreso because they need to find the right pedal since some of them have these insane 5 foot wide pedal boards with a crazy amount of pedals that they layer for different sounds. Shoegaze technique is mostly barre chords and tremolo picking but they get interesting soundscapes by layering pedals
I watched a documentary video on My Bloody Valentine & you're right! It was a critic writing about MBV who said that 😆 👍
I'm almost 50 and what shocks me is how genuinely interested my 20s coworkers and acquaintances are in my music recommendations. I've gotten so many people into older artists, from Wu Tang to INXS to the Stooges to the Talking Heads to Fiona Apple. They have genuine enthusiasm for older stuff, especially deeper cuts from people they may have heard but never got past the top two or three most popular Spotify tracks.
I have no problem being the old man who shouts at the cloud. I own it. I still believe music can make a rebound, but as long as people are more concerned with fitting in and not seeming uncool or dated by calling new stuff out for being weak the harder that will be.
Music without emotion won't connect with people, and there's way too much trendy production without any underlying soul. Don't get me wrong, stuff like that has always existed, it's just that now it's such a high proportion because of the algorithms and people trying to play it save and stay squarely in genres.
There’s a major stigma on calling out new music in any way. Especially online, if you express any criticism or negativity people come out of the word works to call you boomer and somehow try to act like the new stuff is actually superior and of equal quality. I feel like this makes a lot of people afraid to speak up.
My work literally banned me from queuing music on the speakers because the HR woman got pissed at me for playing Cannibal Corpse, and I said straight faced that I don't even consider it to be heavy (which was true I listen to 10x heavier)
I just turned 50 and agree. My 12 year-old needed a favorite song for a list on her sheer team. She chose Losing My Religion above everything else out there. She listens to music with me on the road to and from practices and competitions. We usually listen to SXM Faction Punk, 80's on 8, 1st Wave, and Lithium. I also listen to rock from the 70's and 80's, like Heart, Yes, and Ozzy, and she loves them all.
So true. Maybe we are in an era that needs a revolution. Like Elvis, The Beatles, Nirvana or a whole new thing like Rap or Freestyle. It will come back. Good stuff is underground these days. It will pop back up again. Always has always will
The Stooges are GOATED!!!
The Talking Heads are also great!
The good thing about listening to rock music from the 80s/90s/early 2000s is that you can actually expect music with passion and effort
Preach on man, preach on!!!
There’s tons of passion and effort past that, ever heard a Hozier song?
Kind of disingenuous to imply anything past the early 2000s doesn’t have passion and effort. That couldn’t be farther from the truth. Each decade has their own fame chasers and actual artists.
@@prodigy-ke7sl Im not saying that, I’m just saying that the majority (not entirety) of what I hear isn’t very good
@@very_many_days9710 Hozier was making music since 2008 and his debut was in 2013, nobody’s denying his talent… Chill and don’t take “2000s” literally!
This is depressing. Some of my best memories are literally sitting around with friends obsessing over music, going to endless rock shows at the community center, and planning my life around trips to the music store in the next town over. It's sad to think my daughter wont ever experience some of this.
Local scenes still thrive fam, she can still get immersed in that and make some cool memories.🤘🏿
There are plenty of artists from the early 2000s still touring. Step up and take your daughter to one of then.
Same, I spent my teenage hours listening to lotsa music back in the day. Actually stayed up on school nights flipping in between different genres of radio stations enjoying all the music. Can’t remember recently wanting to do that! I get that I’m older, but no one is inspiring to me musically! It’s depressing!
I was practically raised by my sister, who was very much alive during the emo days. Cuz of her, she has successfully raised an emo who wishes her teen years were in 2000's, not 2020's
James 359:
Is that what's depressing? That she won't be able to go see a bunch of on- life -support acts with her dad? Did you and your friends get together and share a love of Steve Miller Band and The Beach Boys?
What's depressing is that kids are losing the experience of having something that is for them and bonds a generation. You think these kids will be sitting around talking about post Malone and the avengers movies like old f*cks talk about pink floyd or black sabbath?
Artists don't want to make art, they want to go viral. Listeners aren't listening, they're consuming. And culture becomes just a trend. Boycott all this shit. Support real art.
Since 2008 social media destroyed culture.
I’ve seen better modern music. There’s beabadoobee and LS Dunes
"Nobody cares about making good music anymore, they just want to get on MTV!"
That's what you sound like lol
i'll never get people who say this. in this day and age there's such an unthinkable abundance of music that you'll literally never be lacking for something new that also suits your tastes. and whether or not that something is fashionable shouldn't really matter. at least it doesn't matter all that much for me. like who cares if the mainstream is all about lofi background shit these days? if that really matters to you all you need to do is give it time and the tides will change, as they always have. art doesn't have any "progression" just constant change.
just my 2c. sorry if i came off rude.
What's annoying is there are still lots of great bands out there but they get zero mainstream exposure.
I'm a late Gen Z musician who never in my lifetime used or even considered using TikTok, and the main takeaway for me is that you should make whatever music you like, because the market is so saturated that there's audience for literally everything. Vibey music might be big (since around mid 2010s) but big hooks still make billions of views (Dua Lipa, K-Pop). I consider TikTok aesthetics a big bubble and there's life outside of it.
Words of wisdom, my friend!! Words of wisdom!!
Hii 😊
FYI dua lipa is a draw but only in exception of most from the white American
Dua lipa huh
Blaming Tiktok seems like the right move here haha. We are in the era of “this one song I heard on this one tiktok” core
You can blame TikTok for making it worse, but the trend started before then. TH-cam had an impact, and Instagram had an even greater impact. When you are consuming multiple forms of media that require auditory attention, music that grabs your attention is less well suited than music that doesn't. Even back in the 2000s I knew people who would put music on while they were watching sit-coms and I always thought they listened to the blandest music, but I was actively listening to everything at the time and they wanted a vibe in the background.
TikTok introduced an interesting twist where a video has 3 seconds to grab you attention before its gone, so hooks still have a place, but that forces TikTok into something that requires more active engagement and requires the background to compete for less attention.
I remember some artists saying that labels didn’t want to sign them up for another album because they didn’t hit on Tik Tok
@@michaelbodalski tik tok is lowering the attention span of a whole generation. They watch a few 100 in a few minutes and nothing of what they saw has any relevance.
Good thing some of the bands I listen aren't known by many tiktokers.
I forget who it was, but about a decade ago someone said ‘in 20 years most songs will be less than 2 minutes long and only heard in the background as you go about your day’. Seems it’s happening even faster than they thought.
That’s depressing as hell.
@@HiGlowie yes, it is depressing as hell
It’s possible that these songs will be short to the point where it’s only 30 seconds long.
@@Funnilittlething so most songs could end up being the length of an iTunes preview then lol
In the year 2525 I'm wondering if man will survive. Zager and Evans.
I feel like people don’t actually want to listen to music anymore. I grew up in the 2000s, and even the pop music of the time, (which nowadays I can’t stand modern radio pop almost as a general rule) had something memorable to it that got me to actually listen and thus I still remember a few of those songs and artists fondly today.
I grew up in the 2010s and I absolutely loved music from the early/mid 2000s (so at the time only 10 or so years ago) and I still do. I really didn't like the pop music I grew up with in the 2010s but thought maybe with nostalgia I will look back at it fondly in 10 or so years. I do not. There's just something "off" about music since the very late 2000s I cant really put my finger on it.
Most of my life, I only liked to listen to instrumental songs. Even with 1 and a 1/3 of a year, I can understand the things that can be done right and wrong with musics with lyrics. One thing that I can say, though, is that contemporary musics with lyrics sure do lots of right things, and lots of mistakes that aren't really noticed.
in 2000s I didn't like mainstream pop and was more into kpop, cpop, jpop and some rock/metal
but nowadays compared to modern pop music, I feel nostalgic about 00s pop and rather listen to Britney Spears than Taylor Swift
agreed, early 2000 pop still had versatility and creativity, it felt exciting, a lot of that got lost by the end of the decade
I've said this before, but I believe that the 2020 Pandemic is what really kicked a lot of this off. With people spending so much time working doing business from home, it makes sense to me that their preference would make an eventual switch to something more for the back ground vs. something that is lyrically going to be taking their focus off of their work.
Another reason I think this could be the case is (again) with people spending more time at home, including a lot of musicians, it kind of pushed them into a different place and gave them an opportunity to create something different than they normally would have, for better or for worse.
It's funny how the time when it "went bad" moves forward every 5 years, 5 years ago everyone said music sucked then too but okay.
10 years from now, you'll be saying it all went bad after 2025
@@witchyraptor I never said that i think it "went bad".... I think it just went different. I enjoy the vibe-music of the last few years just as much as the catchier songs with hooks
@@witchyraptor Music sucked fifteen years ago, then briefly got better (still not great but somewhat better) around a decade ago for around five years. Now we are back to the bad old days of the late aughts.
100% what I’ve suspected for the last three years. The electronic music scene changed overnight since the pandemic.
Seems like we went from mumble rap to mumble rock and mumble pop. 😂
Makes sense.
People don’t actively buy music to enjoy it. Before streaming we would actively choose to go to brick and mortar stores, pick an album or two to buy. Go home and actually dedicate time to listen and experience it. And we’d listen to it over and over. There wasn’t a buffet of stuff and our disposable income only allowed us to buy albums every couple of weeks. We kinda had to get into whatever we chose. Our relationship to music was active.
Now we just need music to be background noise because we are afraid if not being entertained 24/7. But it needs to be noise to fit the mood, the vibe. And non stop too. Now our relationship to music is passive.
It’s no wonder that it can just be about the vibes.
It is not necessarily good or bad. It just is our modern world.
This explains why Daft Punk finally quit making music. People are detached from music. Just a random thought.
While technology and social media is wonderful, it also shoves out some of the beautiful aspects of what came before.
Totally hit me in the gut, Finn, when you mentioned sitting and listening to an album and looking over the album art and stuff. Man I miss that.
Me too!! I used to do the exact same thing!!
Actually, it's because of the rise in AI
It is why I started collecting vinyl and repurchasing CDs. The physical aspect connects me to the music. From the act of picking out and spinning up an album (and flipping over) to holding the cover or case and looking it over. Plus, I actually own that piece of music and it takes time and effort to sort, store, clean and maintain them to justify the costs I put in sourcing and purchasing. I don’t just consume music, I have an interaction with the form it has been delivered on. But of course, on the go it is digital all the way.
I am sorry, there are still tons of bands who make music like that and who put a lot of thought and heart into their art work. But i do not see them mentioned ever on channels like this one or any other halfway decent music journalism around here. Every band that gets mentioned is either a million record selling artist or a name you hear everywhere, even if you do not care one bit about them or their music.
But if you are naming Daft Punk to begin with, maybe you don't care at all about any of what i have to say or any of the bands i could name. I am/was part of the experimental music scene in Vienna both as a musician and live sound guy and i have done the sound for hundreds and hundreds of bands who play in front of 5 to 100 people and they are absolutely incredible! So every time i see a video like this or a comment like yours with the "i am missing the days of listening to music and looking at the cover art", i just have to open my mouth.
@lowandodor1150, yes, but, see, the problem is that those bands are not receiving the kind of attention they deserve, which is why they're never talked about. The crap Top 40 artists that are usually held up as the example of today's music, are the ones who are unfortunately, receiving all the attention & accolades. Good to know underground music scenes apparently still thriving, though. That gives hope for the future.
Most of what is considered mainstream is mundane and boring because the labels can make more money promoting something that’s safe and accessible. The Bands and Artists that will be remembered are the ones who prioritise taking risks and trying something new that pushes the boundaries.
The problem is that on todays scheme of things , this sort of bands are gonna be mostly cancelled by all this stupid contemporary movements.
@@horokai Those bands should rebel against cancel culture. The only way you can stop someone from bullying you is to stand up for yourself
How is that fundamentally different than any era preceesing this?
@@TheSalPic Most artists who take more risks have more niche cult followings and don’t have the same mainstream success that previous artists would have been granted with. You can draw similarities to the hair metal era with rock music but the mainstream nowadays doesn’t welcome new movements like they did with grunge.
This whole idea of the labels having that much control over what is released doesn’t make a lot of sense though with streaming being the predominant format of music consumption. Most artists make all of their stuff in a bedroom and practically make whatever the hell they want to and release whenever they feel like it. They don’t have to care about what radio or MTV wants. They only care about their fanbase and nothing more. The labels, meanwhile, recognize this and only really care about whether or not the albums and work created can make up for all of the money invested into the artist’s career (remember, label advances are loans meant to pay for studio time and album that have to be paid back with interest which means most artists are broke and in tons of debt).
The best compa I could make to your point is how a lot of fans of certain automotive focused TH-camrs like Scotty Kilmer will complain about the reliability of new cars without understanding how much more reliable EVs are and how big of a shift they will create in the industry. The old paradigm is gone and a new era has arrived but a lot of people simply don’t understand what has happened.
This video/analysis is very well balanced across genres...I appreciate that!
Thank you!
he actually fucked up. He used gvf master to show "the meandering of a song that goes nowhere" , completely opposite - that song is super powerful , he just has screwed way of seeing things.
I do remember the excitement of seeing how my favourite artists were doing in the charts
I don't even see the point of that anymore
Yes to all of this. I own a dance studio and we keep using older music because we literally can't dance to anything new. It's becoming more and more frustrating.
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what genres do dance studios play, if the music is new vs old? legit curious. doubly so since there's so much retro pop these days (from like 2007 onwards - i remember first hearing O'Spada on Myspace) that sound like 80s or 90s pop
Can’t get a rhythm of highs and lows in the dance style anymore.
Yeah because that music is just a long stream of musical irrelevance.
So, can you only dance to 4/4 time signatures? Or can you not follow a beat when they use less traditional kick and snare sounds? What gives? What has technically changed in music that inhibits you from being able to dance to it now?
You LITERALLY can dance to modern music, you just don't LIKE to do so.
You’re not alone, Finn. I love the hooks in music and enjoy grooving to that along with the lyrics. It baffles me how “vibes”, lo-fi and trap music has been dominating the weekly Billboard Top 100.
lO fI hIp HoP is so dull
@@HiGlowie And mumble rap as well. At least for me anyway. I am a Rock N Roll fan of all genres and its crazy to me how Trap, EDM, Lo-fi and Mumble Rap, and your typical Pop music is crushing it worldwide. While Rock music is mostly enjoyed by those of us who grew up with it. I think us millennials are the last generation to grow with rock in the 90s and 2000s. Gen Z is a different breed, they love the feels that modern music gives them. I feel old LOL.
People I work with use lo-fi hip hop to study which kind of makes sense, since they don't want distractions. Listening to it on its own is the most boring, mind-numbing shit.
@@thewildone4536 I share the same sentiment.
songs on the billboard top 100 are always pop songs, in the way they are written, well except maybe Pink Floyd and TOOL. Commercial potential of a song will guarantee staying power on the charts, that's for sure
I noticed that artists make music specifically to go viral or be used in a TikTok. A TON of drake's new music sounds like that was the goal especially since toosie slide
Drake is inauthentic generally so that's not anything special
I agree, that this shift into vibe music made us lose alot of bangers imo
The other week I was driving back in the van from work with my brother. There was some modern trap- like song playing on the radio. After a minute I found myself thinking 'wtf even is this?' By brother seemingly read my mind and changed station. The Backstreet Boys came on. It sounded incredible in comparison. My brother, again seemingly reading my mind, said 'doesnt that sound so much better?' I agreed. And, btw, we have very different music tastes.
So when even the shitty mainstream of music of 20 years ago sounds so much better than the shitty mainstream music of today, you know that todays music really does suck.
It's cause the young guns in rap/ pop don't care about song structure. It's everything.
A lot of stuff nowadays is "alright, that's the first verse, now what?" and then it's over!!
And the funny thing is Backstreet Boys is still not as good as the stuff before it!
I was born in the mid to late 80’s and grew up in the 90’s to mid 2000’s. My generation and the generations before us listened and enjoyed the music that came before us. I feel like that is lost on these newer generations.
@ThePowerman121, yes! My generation, we loved the music from our parents generation, but there's lots of youngsters nowadays, who don't exactly have that same appreciation for our music. Though, from what i've heard, many starting to come around & appreciate, not only my generation's music, but the stuff, that came before us, as well.
100% agree I’m an 80s baby and while I love so much the artists I grew up with Britney Spears, the spice girls and Christina Aguilera) I also love 80s artists. Like Madonna, Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston and bands like Queen( though I kind of became a fan with the movie Bohemian Rhapsody), Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.
I can tell you i love music from the 80s till maybe mid 2010s.
There wasn’t a way around it for our generation, usually the first music we listened to was old LPs and cassettes from our parents. I loved listening to my dad’s collection as a toddler😂
Later in school we started to listen to the radio and buy/share CDs.
Nowadays, there is no need for that, as every preteen already has a TT account…
Honestly, I’ll simply blame the parents for this trend!😂☠️
Actually is the opposite ... Centennials and Alphas consume and enjoy even more "old music" (considering the time period between their age and the music release) than Gen X and Millenials at the same age back in the day (kids today listen, enjoy and refference 80s music that's 4 decades old ... the 90s equivalent of that was for a preteen to do the same with postwar-50s music, just unthinkable)
Simpler music for simpler minds with shorter than ever attention spans. Not just limited to music.
Foolproof something and you'll likely find someone foolish enough to break it, whether it be deliberately or by mistake.
Smoke detector neglect, anyone?
Right on. I just had a 'conversation' with a 19-year old on a forum. They asked something about something I know alot of, so I answered in detail. It was eight sentences. They replied 'Bro I ain't reading all that thats a fucking essay'.. It's quite sad in my opinion that someone doesn't even have the attention span for reading a few sentences on a topic they ASKED about.
@@evabakkerAYY how about we talk tho
Yep, this generation feels particularly... dead, dumb & lost.
@@evabakker so basically your ego is wounded because you proudly pontificated about a subject that you were highly interested in, but the other fellow, not so much. Sounds like some neurodivergence there. I get it. I used to talk at length to my mother(a Boomer) about X-Men and not a word of it sunk in until they made movies.
I was reading an article about why labels are struggling to find artists with staying power and I really think streaming has made music disposable just because of the sheer quantity of music that people have access to at any given moment.
On average, Spotify recommends me 60 songs that i haven't heard every week in the Release Radar and Discover Weekly playlists. Thats 240 songs a month. (About 8 hours of new songs a month). Its hard to focus on a singular artist when there are so many vying for attention at the same time. It's not like TRL in the 2000s when you had a a focused list of what most people liked which was basically like the same 8-10 artists over and over.
I don't think music sucks now. i just think artists are struggling to stand out in an era where everything is hyper-disposable.
Completely right. Sums it up entirely
Another problem: TikTok. Where every a new song go viral & then fade forgotten. This is the problem especially with TikTok rappers.
Monoculture is dying
@@kaydgaming exactly
Labels also don't groom acts and bands and let them develop like they did back in the day.
I was hanging out with my dad this weekend listening to old songs (60s, 70s, 80s) and there is obviously a clear change from making objectively "good" music that will be a classic and timeless to the majority of music today being background noise. I like a lot of new music, but I feel like many artists are just pumping out whatever they can to stay relevant (probably has a lot to do with their record deal). Sometimes I feel like Randy Marsh listening to new music, trying my hardest to look for the good or silver lining and ignore when my brain just hears toilet sounds...
Lmao, me, i just don't even bother, & just stick with the stuff, that i know i love.
The chorus in "The News" from Paramore's new album always get stuck in my head. I've been a fan of them for about 12 or 13 years and i love that their not afraid to change up their sound in albums despite the possible backlash they may get from old school fans. They kinda just go for it.
yeah their new album is great
I could never enjoy music produced by anyone who exploits their employees and treat them like dirt in public or private. That girl and her family will have to pay the piper when the time comes.
When people say “music sucks now” they mean mainstream pop music. Outside of that we all know there is tons of great music
The only mainstream pop music that still stands out is from Japanese
@@NirwisayaRecords I agree with you on that
Hasn't that always been the case until whatever independent movements becomes mainstream
Can you tell them about me when they speak such terrible words?
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Probably why Metal has survived for over 50 years and will still be around 50 years from now.
I asked my little 12yo brother who likes everything which he would rather hear... A random metal song or random pop song.
"Metal" was.his immediate response. 🤘
Even as a young person I just don’t like new music because of how simple and mindless it is.
I believe the music industry is currently in a dire situation compared to past decades. We seem to be stuck in a musical cycle, relying on algorithms rather than our own sense of hearing to consume music. This might be attributed to the outcomes of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which led to the decline of independent radio and media. As a result, the distinct voices of music DJs who introduced unique music and facilitated the discovery of new genres, artists, and bands were silenced.
Music is always a reflection of society. Always. Lets start to think about society...
decay, degradation
Cultural shift towards a monotone and boring life. “Mature” life.
@@5crassrockerDegeneracy.
@@backoffpeerI don't know if I would call woke edgy gender- benders representative of a mature and monotonous life tbh but they certainly represent a cultural shift (for the worse as far as I can tell).
@@stephenhughes5156left is the establishment today. it was other way around for a very long time and that's how you got rebellious music for years and it made sense but now rock sold out to the establishment and became the establishment and because music is more of youth thing and youth is always rebellious of course you got anti establishment music like hiphop to be the new mainstream genre and now hiphop is turning establishment so now we have a window of opportunity to turn rock around to be the rebellious leader of music again but this time it has to be right wing
This video finally pointed out the shit I've been feeling about the-- what I didn't wanna call blandness, but lack of inspiration in modern music. Before, music could be the soundtrack of the life of whoever was listening to it, but now it's hard to even find enjoyment in modern songs without knowing and affiliating the song with the attached celebrity.
This video represents a probably somewhat unpopular but legitimately good take. So few songs have that “YO START THAT SH*T OVER” quality, just so you can hear the hook or how hard that one riff or line goes again. We have officially entered the “Fans Also Like” playlist era. Pick a song that fits your mood, and let The Algorithm keep you there. I’m not really even saying that’s a bad thing, because I would have loved that back when you had to swap out the CD to play what your heart wanted to hear next. Not to mention how much easier discovering new music is because of The Algorithm’s [usually frighteningly correct] assumptions. I don’t love the cause, but I appreciate the effect of people finding out about bands they would have otherwise never heard of.
I think a good example is Duster, which went from being beloved cult band to being a beloved well known band thanks to tiktok. At least the algorithm gave a underrated band a good push they deserved
Yes 100% not everything is gloomy, while I definitely think the music right is not my cup of tea with a few exceptions. I don’t blame tech to that transition, I feel blessed we have now streaming services like Spotify and yes playlists are cool.
From the recent artists I’m quite enjoying Olivia Rodrigo especially her new album guts. Her sour era was mehh to me that awful viby background music but Guts is getting in the middle which is becoming quite interesting. It’s not the hooks of You give love a bad name, hit me baby one more time or we are never ever getting back together but it’s pretty listenable especially I want to get him back.
I couldn't really explain what felt wrong with new music in the past few years, but this makes total sense and describes my feelings. Great video as always
I've had this conversation the other day with a younger guy I work with. (I'm 40, he's 27) and I asked him if he's ever listened to an album? And he replied with, "I listen to music a lot." I clarified, by saying, "have you ever put an album on Spotify or however you listen to music and listened to it start to finish? Not while you're doing something else, but listening to music being the thing you're doing." He thought for a little while and said, "no, I don't think I have."
I told him he should try it some time. He asked me for suggestions, and I know that he has been exposed to a lot of classic rock because he's got some older siblings, so I gave him a few suggestions and the next Monday I asked him about if he'd had time to listen to music and he was so excited to tell me about listening to "Rumors" by Fleetwood Mac, beginning to end. How he just got lost in the music, just listening with his eyes closed.
I'm with you, I'm not here to say young people are "doing it wrong" for the music they like or anything like that, because it's their time and every generation gets their time. But I think the difference with people our age, is that we, just by functioning in modern culture, consume music the same way young people do. Unlike my parents, who never gave a shit about music me or my friends listened to, we hear this generation's music constantly just by existing online. So we have experienced both sides of this issue. I don't know anyone who grew up listening to albums who prefers the new way, but hey, the kids are going to do what the kids are going to do.
I'm 42 and I still have a big old stereo next to my bed that I listen to cds on. I lay there and pound the tunes. Listen to my favourites. Also when you like a whole album it really grows on you the more you listen to it until you love it. I think it's harder to do that online because we're bombarded with so much variety.
It's not just a classic rock thing though. There are a lot of albums I'll put on and just listen to. Painkillers (2016) and Sleepwalkers (2018) from Brian Fallon, Trail of Flowers (2024) from Sierra Ferrell, History Books (2023) from The Gaslight Anthem, I'll Be your Girl (2018) from the Decemberists, The Man From Waco (2022) from Charley Crockett, Little Songs (2023) from Colter Wall, The Battle at Garden's Gate (2021) from Greta Van Fleet, etc.
Finn is always here with the most reasonable music takes on the Internet.
Definitely better than Fantano's takes...
What an artificial comment
@@girthbrooks1708 what an artificial response
I like the guy but his obsession with pushing new music just because it's new gets on my nerves a little. Just as annoying as "back in my day they made real music".
Listen, I’m a fan of Finn and his videos, but oftentimes he has some…questionable takes on music. I guess him being the most reasonable could just mean that so many other youtubers have such garbage takes that it makes Finn’s seem better by comparison
As soon as Lana Del Rey came to the mainstream scene in 2012, it's slowly the beginning of the end for hook, upbeat, party, catchy, chorus type music in pop music & her effect on other genres.
New Taylor Swift was heavily inspired by her & that says it all lol
Excuse me? Have you even listened to Lana’s albums? She’s far from “vibe” music.
Maybe her first album but Lana is very talented and a great singer.
@@flumee yes & she's very talented but her "hook" is different than other pop hook. And her first album is the reason of the change of pop culture in the past decade. Finn doesn't like her music anyway even with her "hook".
@@flumee "Vibe" does not imply otherwise. It's not a dogwhistle for bad, it's a reference to music that rewards background listening. Brian Eno intentionally made music that was designed to disappear into the background and he is often regarded as one of the greatest artists of the 20th century.
Honestly it’s not that new music sucks, I think it’s our relationship with music that sucks.
Often treated as secondary or complimentary to some other activity but honestly the fact that music is something that is integrated into every part of our lives is great and hopefully the main trend will turn to treating music a bit more seriously in the future but either way as long as there is music I can live with it
As someone who primarily listens to electronic music I've always been fighting the battle of finding actually good albums instead of just a collection of tracks that may or may not be that good. Your point about particularly long winded albums that are more of a vibe than an experience really hit home with me. I have some albums that I love but there's no real flow to them despite sounding good the whole time.
I feel ya bud. I love House music, but I find it harder to find distinctive albums/tracks that aren't mindless rave dance music
Yep to all of the comments here.
@@Booya456 Radio Active by Bodysync and 2012-2017 by Against All Logic are some good house albums to check out
Then your standard becomes Burial-Untrue and trying to find electronic albums that flow and is as well put together as Burial’s Untrue!
Try:
Monolink - Amniotic
Kerala Dust - Light, West
Ben Böhmer - Breathing
Rüfüs Dü Sol - Brigther
I’ve been a punk and metal fan for the last 25 years, but what I’ve really liked the last few years is vapourwave . Maybe it’s because of the aesthetics, or nostalgia for the 80s and 90s, but I love to put a playlist on while I’m doing something.
Yes! Mallsoft! It's great study music
Vaporwave is an interesting one because it's also 'vibe' music but in a different way to what's being discussed here. Like, the best vaporwave is music for music's sake even though there's not really any hooks. It's more than background music and it's certainly not there to soundtrack viral Tiktoks
I am a 70s music loving gen z. I just love a good work of art.
I'm all good with vibe music, I'm a huge synthwave fan and that genre is mostly just vibes and arpeggios, but I gotta say.. The problem these days isn't that vibe music took over, it's that it's all shit vibes.. It's not gloomy vibes or happy vibes, it's like "i'm bummed I have to go pick up my drycleaning" vibes.. It's "oh I guess we're doing this now.." vibes... It's "I can't believe I'm still working at McDonalds.." vibes..
This whole era's "vibe" could be summed up with "It is what it is..."
There's no savagely depressed vibe like Emo or Grunge... It's just pop music with a thinner sound played by people who just seem bored..... Soft hitting bland songs for those who don't have time to listen.
As always, massive music appeals to the masses. The masses tend to be from average to even less intelligent, and this isn't me calling myself or anyone "more intelligent", it's just that the bar is very low and always has been. So the current "vibes" are superficial music of the vibe that has existed in many genres in the past, many of them intrumental like Synthwave.
I listen to many different metal genres, some classical music, some older pop, hip hop, etc. And a lot of it doesn't always have "hooks" or even a chorus at all, but the vibes definitely say waaay more than most of this current "vibe" music.
When 90% of popular music seemed to sing about "love", it was the same problem. A very superficial and overly dramatic and even toxic version of romantic "love" is what was portrayed.
I've been listening to mostly synthwave and lo-fi these days. I'm not into new rock bands, but I'm also burnt out on all the old stuff too
It's not just hooks that died but it seems like pop music got really obsessed with ballads after maybe 15' and that was the beginning of the end.
I think you finally put to words my feeling towards modern pop music. I think this explains why i love bombastic choruses.
Once again, you have vocalized my thoughts much better than I ever could. The way I've described modern music is "Music on Vicodin". It's made to sit back, expressionless, and drool on yourself while staring at a cloud. Not only does it evoke no emotion, but it almost suppresses it. Well said.
There's 2 ways to enjoy music, vibe vs composition is a perfect way to put it. I read a study years ago about how metal listeners and pop listeners use 2 different parts of the brain when listening to music. Neither is right or wrong, but this is why I think there's such a distinct divide between fanbases. It's like comparing soccer players to American football players. Metal fans want to experience the music itself, pop fans want background music to add to whatever experience they're already having
I'm definitely a composition type in that case. I wanna FEEL the music.
You can have both though right? For example, Fear Factory- Demanufacture definitely has a certain vibe to it- but its also good music.
I'm a shoegaze fan. Hooks are cool but I can also live without them. MBV has had longevity. I was first introduced to them by a friend group 10 years younger than me in the mid 00s and they remain relevant today. (When MBV first came out I was ignoring all forms of music that were not jazz so I had lots of catching up to do) So yeah "vibe" music can have longevity. I think there are certainly valid points to the premise of the video in terms of use of music as an audio effect for the tiktok short video format. That's happening, but there are still large amounts of new young music fans being minted every day. They listen to songs and albums. When we were kids music meant more to some than to others. Image was a huge part of it back then too. What else was New kids etc or even Axl Rose? Very few kids were listening to the sugar cubes first album when it came out, but some of us were. Also Limp Bizkit was good? wtf. Anyhow there is a deep underground right now coming out with vibey short format music that yea, doesn't really have a lot of hooks, but it is pretty exciting and a very fresh sound. And transformative even. I think when trying to analyze something as complex as music and society you are at best going to come up with a set of confused generalizations that have some truth and substance to them but also are off the mark. But still makes for a thoughtful long format video and certainly worth the watch.
can you recomend some underground music to get into? I've been getting into shoegaze and dreampop and I would like to discover some modern bands.
having hooks in songs is kind of cliche at this point
The vibe trend is also present in tv and movie scores/themes, but maybe a little older. TV theme songs are now a few seconds of a vibe. Movies don't have big, singable themes anymore. Think: how many John Williams themes can you recall right now vs. how many MCU themes.
We are in the era of music not being an artform.
Totally true. And I've have experienced this shit since early 2000's as a latin american. Reggeaton paved the way ( and it wasn't as bad as it is now)
Music is no longer an artform, it has become an algorithm. The art is gone and the computer has spit out what it knows will be a hit.
@@LanceLance-sz3kx oh common, Iam really in love with guitars; but RUN DMC is class!
I gave up on it a long time ago, late 90s it turned to shyte for me, especially with autotune but since then its gotten far worse to the point I find it completely pointless and unlistenable and dont understand the mentality of anyone who does listen to it, they must be brain d3ad. No other explanation.
Strongly disagree
I think artists are moving away from catchy riffs and hooks also due to potential copyright lawsuits. There will always be someone claiming infringement just for a hook that may or may not have been “stolen” or “borrowed”.
I’m in my late 40s and I remember songs my parents played word for word, songs I grew up listening to from start to finish, ages later from rap, metal, rock, etc what ever I was listening to know know the songs. When I went to concerts, I was rocking out to every single track.
I can’t imagine just paying money to see a band for a piece of a song you would hear on tic tok and sing a clip and nothing else.. it’s crazy to me. Plus I think it’s why you have these “fans” being bored that they think it’s ok to throw an item at the artist.
For me, I miss the days of looking at liner notes and just having a physical copy of an cd. Even if I listen to a band for one track and like that I heard, I would buy the whole cd and listen to every track.
These days… I don’t know what’s going on…different energy for a new generation
I was thinking the same thing about the liner notes. I didn't care so much about the art as much as I cared about the liner notes. I would read the lyrics, see who played on and wrote each song, and see who produced it all. I was fascinated by all of it. When I buy a vinyl release for my 16 year old, we both go through and look at all of that still.
I'm still buyin alot of cds off discogs it makes me appreciate what I listen too more and engages me too listen too full albums compared to jumpin around on utube listening to random tracks at my leisure
@@superunknown2812Yup. Thats how I feel about vinyl. The format forces you to be more engaged with the music. My turntable hasn't been running for a couple years tho and now i mostly listen to everything on youtube. It really is an immediate, low investment, disposible format. But man, is it ever convenient!
I feel like Post rock is going to become popular soon. Dubstep often uses the nostalgia and style to create an atmosphere, and it is has become massively popular lately. For that referential music to exist, there has to be progressive forefathers of music treading new ground. This is where post rock comes in; you might not see a lot of Spotify monthly listeners, as people do not actively listen to it. But on meditation playlists on TH-cam theses same bands will get MILLIONS of views! People often need that "soundtrack" type music to escape, some while doing homework or housework, etc. BUT, one of the best qualities of music, active or passive, is that it allows you to internalize it and imagine whatever you personally relate to the music. Its this aspect of music that makes "vibe" music or atmosphere music so entertaining, as you can then spend your imagination actively painting a scene or story in your mind, where you can spend more effort focusing on what emotions the music's scene or story is trying to evoke. So basically, the more atmospheric the music, the more you can get lost in it. :)
Dubstep and post-rock are old hat. They were popular in 2010/11
@@MxLee192dubstep had already peaked by then in terms of creativity. The golden years were from about 2004-2008. Around 2009 was when it splintered into different factions (including the brostep stuff that blew up in America).
I'm less knowledgeable about post-rock but I do remember it being quite popular in the late 90s and 2000s
@@rorz999 Post-rock and Math rock def seemed to be big in the 2000s - early 2010s though I dunno if much of it really went to mainstream success. And dubstep did break into the US mainstream in 2011 and in the UK in 2009 though had been bubbling up as you said for about 5 years prior to that making waves in the underground. Still some good dubstep being made by guys like commodo, and from labels like system & whitepeach.
Lack of diversity now that everyone is making similar music
Please read my book, "Why Pop Music Sucks." THANKS
@@JerryBaiden-GNo, thank you
This is incredibly false. Music will forever get more and more diverse since there will forever be more and more to pull inspiration from
I think the shift away from hooks in pop music is what lead to the rise of Kpop. The Korean industry still focuses on that larger than life chorus and that infectious hook, and that has translated well across cultural barriers. Kpop has a "more is more" mentality, and that sounds increasingly more distinct and identifiable in a music scene that is content with giving less and less.
The writers of those kpop songs are mainly US citizens…
Writer of butter’s in Nashville
@kaydgaming It's a mix of mostly Korean, American, and European producers and song writers. One of the top kpop songs from a few years ago, Bad Boy by Red Velvet, was made by an American production team that realized the songs Pop-RnB sound wouldn't catch on in the US because the market was so focused on trap, so they sold it to a Korean company that turned it into a massive hit.
Underrated comment. Spot on.
韩流是千篇一律乏味的
他们服装，发型，舞蹈，旋律都一模一样
廉价而低级
And J-rock to a lesser extent.
I think TikTok is to blame for this change.
we humans see the world as cause and effect, but that's not really what happens; everything happens at the same time, for no reason at all.
there's really nothing to blame for this. it's just how our species is evolving and how the cosmos works.
we could pinpoint tiktok as the "cause" for this change in music, but why delineate time and events in this way? tiktok is just an internet platform and there are always multitudes of converging factors that "create" our current reality and shapes the future, as it were.
on a less spiritual note i'm not sure if tiktok caused "vibe music", but it certainly could be one of the big factors - but at the same time isn't it said that tiktok music needs to be catchy and hooky in order to get used in videos?
(end diatribe)
@@transsexual_computer_faery I see. Yeah, I think that’s what’s been said, but TikTok also contributes highly to the charts.
Yup happened with books and shitty booktok and now same with music.
@@transsexual_computer_faeryBro it’s literally tik tok
My 12 yo niece literally told me almost all the music on her playlist comes from tik tok. We’re screwed.
As a hip hop fan i have to say that years 2020, 2022 and 2024 were amazing for the genre, so many amazing albums came out for 2020 albums like Pray For Paris, Alfredo and Manger On McNichols, for 2022 The Forever Story, Melt My Eyez See Your Future and Mr Morale & The Big Steppers and for 2024 we got I lay down my life for you, king of the mischievous south, blue lips, dark times and even the kendrick vs drake beef definetly made this year even better
Finn literally just hit us with the Barbie Girl, I wasn't expecting that
Yeah now that song will be stuck in my head all day. Sigh.
The Barbie movie and Barbie has been everywhere since last month, I'm not surprised lol
I love Aqua, they're far, more than just Barbie Girl ❤ I grew up with their music
The short answer in my two cents of an opinion is because "making music" has actually become easy and easily more accessible to do given the mediums and platforms that are available now, and this goes for more than just music. Now I'll be quiet and watch the video oh and here's a like 👍
its become so easy that you don't have to develop any skill to make it. And these are the current hit makers.
that is true.
@@KevinElliot-ni4lbI'd love to hear some of the music you've made since it's so easy to make
Edit: It's easy to make shit music. Still hard to make great or even mid music
We grew up in the 80s so of course a lot of whats happening is gonna suck, I felt this way about a lot of the music for a while but then I went to a JpegMafia/Danny Brown show and had my head blown wide open. GDamn!! the energy was like a punk show. The sound was like a EDM show. The street vibe was straight gravel. So it doesn't all stink just a lot of it and we have to dig deeper.
I saw foreigner last night on their farewell tour and between them and more recent artists I’ve seen, it’s not even a competition between the two. The older generations of music hits at a different level
Tame Impala does rely on a lot of vibe, but the song Borderline has a monster hook from a few years ago.
Majority of his big songs have a hook or a repeatable catchy section. Even the song referenced in the video is super poppy.
Tame impala is a vibe but it definitely has hooks but that isn’t what makes a song good, their melodies are often great
Music was great until 2014, everything or mostly everything was crap after 2014, 80s,90s, 00s and earlys 10s (2010-2013-ish) were actually something you could dance to, know its just “vibe” which I cannot stand
I'm not sure you're supposed to understand modern music. Most of it is made for zombies looking into their black box that killed the user's attention span.
I’ve often thought about this. Going to shows is not the same. Everyone is in their phones instead of the moment. There is just a lot of apathy in the music scene both musicians and their fans
Tons of people in K holes, Xanax, and TONS of THC-just zoned out-at shows
If you go to the right shows, everybody is in the moment. Those are the shows I seek out. Just this past week, I saw Death Grips, The Armed, and Queens of the Stone Age and had an amazing time because everybody was engaged and enjoying it together.
Antidepressant-core lmao
Very true. Its strange though because a lot of people seem to be able to distinguish between OBJECTIVELY good TV Shows/movies and trash (though plenty of people still watch trash), but with music the trash seems to get the most plays.
I miss reading the lyrics and on the inside of the CD paper thing. And the art… Does anyone remember when KORN did that contest for their new CD cover art!? 🖤
Somebody watches Rock and Roll True Stories
Maybe in 50 years from now CD's will come back as nostalgia relics. So save your Issues Koяn album for for 2073😢
No. No we don't
Its OK being right. this shit these days is garbage. i grew up in the 90s and i was equally exposed to rock, metal, many genres of punk, grunge, QUEEN, sublime and copious amounts of rap and hip hop. it just dont hit the same.
I hope we achieve a equilibrium between vibes and hooks
A lot of new stuff is what you’d hear in a department store. It’s not something to sing along to, or has hooks - it’s music that just exists in the background as noise.
I was listening to an NYT music podcast that was talking about this same issue. It’s definitely a feature, and not a bug. Producers, artists, and labels are actually looking for the 15-second clip that can end up being a TikTok sensation. They don’t want the next musical genius. They want something that can be packaged to social media users. That’s it.
Brilliant break down. I agree, new stuff doesn’t resonate because they’re selling a vibe, not music
I think the drugs of the era play a big role in this. The early 2000s were heavy on uppers and MDMA, which were closely tied to big choruses and feel good moments. Nowadays everyone is on downers like Xanax or opiates (sadly) which has led to a more vibey/atmospheric song structure that works well for a sleepy perc daze.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Interesting take. The much higher chance of anything you take for fun these days having a lethal dose of fentanyl mixed in explains why its all kinda depressing.
Not sure if this is the case. Rockstars half a century ago have been oding on downers and still made banging rock songs instead of “vibes” music. I think society these days just glorify suicide and sadness and the music industry takes advantage
What I'd conclude from this is that bands like King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard are following thru with the 60s and drop copious amounts of acid
You may have something there. The kids do seem more depressed these days and the last thing you want to do when you're depressed is dance.
I'm in your shoes. When I was young I promised myself I would never stop listening to new music like most older people did. I managed to keep that promise with myself over the years. But for the first time in my life I feel truly lost. I'm struggling to connect with most new stuff. Finding new music I like is becoming a treasure hunt.
Just go indie, there are a ton of great new music, just not in popular culture.
I think a lot of the shift towards vibe music also has to do with the popularity of genres like vaporwave, where people put on hours long mixes and only really care about the song or artist if there's something that really hits the spot about that particular cut - other than that it's like trance music from the 00s, and that's where it's advantageous for the homologation of artists and genres to stand a chance of making it into people's playlists.
I remember Lofi. I used to listen to it now I’m more into rock music such as emo and pop punk.
Every once in awhile i hear catchy songs,but nothing i would want to buy.I still find myself listening to '90s music.❤
I've always been listening too 90s music and it's not just because it's my generation entirely I just feel when it comes to dance music or even hip hop it was fun,the beats made ya bop your head,it was danceable.Rock music/metal/alternative rock was experimental and it worked for that genre where it made it memorable great riffs,great choruses, etc.
90s had a lot of lack luster music too though. That those who were of that era, forget. We only throw back what was quote on quote, good/ nostalgic 😅
Girl, same!
@@Booya456 I'd argue the music you're referring to wasn't saturating the radio tho. Somebody like Nelly or Migos would have been a one hit wonder in the 90's. Not huge stars with long careers.
@blackdragon6 yeah like country Grammer when that dropped it was a good jam,danceable, had a good beat,had a good chorus well things sure have changed when it comes to the rap game lol
This shit has been happening waaaaay earlier my man. When the internet started vaporwave, and being obsessed with recycling the industrial, electronic sounds to match the numbness that people feel today!
The "CHILL/LO-FI/HIP-HOP BEATs TO STUDY TO" Is where it all began where people wanted this kind of music.
Eventually it bled into the mainstream like all things do. It started back in 2016 on TH-cam with mash up songs that people made for fun. Playlists essentially
You're spot on with this analysis. I think there are so many distractions these days that people don't really appreciate what we did previously. I think people are becoming zombiefied and multitasking and like to have this "vibe" thing in the background.
It's just time for experimentation and evolution of the soundscapes.
The fact that you listed all those many years where songs were about huge hooks is the EXACT reason why now the sound has to venture out to a different form for a while.
It's a pendulum: has to swing both sides. You might not see it now while it's happening, but everyone will later on and reminisce about it.
It's a time for one or two artists to experiment, and then 100's of other artists to put the EXACT same sound over and over again.
@@stephenhughes5156 it has always been the case
I don’t think anybody is gonna remember this current era of “music” because it’s not made to be memorable
@anakinlowground5515 every generation says that 😂
@stephenhughes5156 meh, that exists in every generation and genre. How many djent or metal guys ripping off Meshuggah? Or guys that took that Linkin Park sound and breakdowns? How many 80s acts did the disco sound, or house music, or reggae?
If you really break it down that way, it's not very different every time: there's usually a handful of artists that are highlights of a sound, and then a bunch oh copycat people that benefit from those waves.
Everytime a new sound comes, people always compare it to what they know and accuse it of not being "real music," but as we know from this channel especially, give it time, and we'll be looking at this time with some reverence at one point.
To be fair there’s always been plenty of music decades back that were big and influential based off a vibe-sound over hooks, such as psychedelic music. Pink Floyd for example has always been considered one of the greatest bands of all time and they weren’t ever known for hooks. I do agree with your overall point, it’s true that songs without a hook are generally less memorable, but I think it’s just more about who’s a better/more knowledgeable artist
Modern female pop owes so much to Lana del Rey because she has pioneered that sound many years ago
Exactly what I was thinking. I notice even Taylor Swift moving towards the melancholy sound. Definitely borrowing from LDR at least a little.
I love her
lana who?
The boring whisper monotone
lana actually has a very versatile and expressive voice, with super catchy hooks in her songs. all her stuff has impacted me so much, been stuck in my head for years. she knew how to keep it interesting and give her songs an edge that no one else could ever really capture thats why people have always loved her so much.
TL;DR - Vibe music is a normal response to the last decade and we have had it multiple times already in music history
I think something important regarding the shift towards vibe music is contextualizing it through not just the last 40 years, but even the last 400 years of music.
For example, we had renaissance era music growing more complex into baroque music up thru 1750 when the classical era begins. The classical era of music from roughly 1750 to 1810 is considered vibe music because it was primarily written as background music for social gatherings, and other events that was very simple compared to its predecessor baroque music.
A similar thing happened with the start of jazz was that ragtime developed into swing and eventually saw a growing complexity in response to it as swing music became more associated as just background dance music. So Bebop is born and then even in response to that a decade later starts the era of minimalist Jazz similarly to minimalism in classical music in the 60s.
All this to say, there is an ebb and flow with music in its complexity and structures that change always in response to one another. Vibe music is here for now and it’s largely how I identity the 10s decade, but eventually like all other styles there will be a response of something that will essentially be seen as the opposite of it.
Yep there’s always a counter response. Hippies to counter the suites and clean cut, grunge to counter the glam and nu wave, hip-hop and catchy pop to counter 90’s dark alternative, 2010’s dark R&B and Hip-hop to counter that, etc.
First time I discovered you was the video on what Killed Pop Punk. Then rediscovered you again on the video of What Killed Myspace. And now rediscovering you again. I enjoy your videos and bring me back to my highschool days (2008- 2012). A different time that you just had to be there for all the music that was released. Thank you for the memories and you make me want to start creating content myself.
The fact that you researched and had a number of good things to say means your not "old man screaming at cloud."😂 With so much music in so many languages it's clear to see beauty in all music, music is now our supporting character in life.
I was a teenager in the mid 1980’s, when literally EVERY month saw amazing landmark classic albums being released. I thought it would go on forever. Even into my thirties in the early 2000’s there was awesome new music all the time, and I gladly spent money on all of it. Now….nothing. There’s just nothing that sounds like great rock and roll. And I’m always looking. There’s one interesting band called “Cats in Space” from the UK, but depressingly, they’re a bunch of old guys my age. Where are all the kids who should be forming new bands and writing great songs with great hooks? What happened? I’m so bummed, and I don’t think it’s me getting old and out of touch, there just nothing there.
There is some great newer bands out there making good music, you just have to look for them.
I suggest checking out a couple bands like “Highly suspect” & “Nothing but thieves”.
How'd you miss The Chats?! The Beths?! Amyl and the Sniffers?! Louis Cole/Knower/Clown Core?!!
Get on it!!
If you are looking for modern rock music, you might (and that's a big MIGHT) like bands like Polyphia which is an instrumental rock band. They did a collab with Steve Vai in one of their songs. If you are a fan of Steve Vai you could check them out.
I’m 23 so I know I’m not “just getting old” when I say I really can’t connect to or stand modern music. I don’t use tiktok or anything so maybe that’s why? I haven’t liked a new song that’s been released since like 2017 at least to be frank
I’m 24 and the last time I stopped checking for new music was early 2018
You’re still a baby 😂
When I was really into hip hop, I was listening to groups like Jedi Mind Tricks and La Coka Nostra at the height of their popularity. For me, hip hop was falling off way back in the late 2000’s and has only gotten progressively worse.
lets be honest with ourselves, it was getting bad way before then, with gangster rap and trap music. only reason we give them a pass is cause this shit today is somehow so bad that we give the other stuff a pass
The problem I have with hip hop and rap - and I do enjoy some of it - is that rappers have such a here-today-gone-tomorrow effect. I've noticed this since the 90's. So many artists hit it big, then burn out, then are quickly forgotten and replaced by the next flavor-of-the-month. Because so much rap and hip hop is a flash in the pan, it gets more and more dumbed down, less artistic, less creative, etc.
@@stevenwoods5787nah
@@stevenwoods5787 gangsta and trap is fucking amazing tho, so, nope
@@robwalsh9843 because most rap is made by young people who are down on their luck, often gang members or poverty stricken, and just trying to make money. some of them stick around for years because they are true artists, some disappear even if they're true artists because they get killed or have to leave the limelight for other legal reasons. ALSO because it might be hard to become a mainstay when rap as a music style is quite easy to make, as long as you have a decent voice and rhyming schemes and beats, you're good to go with very little equipment
i don't know as much about rap from late 70s to late 80s, but that kind of rap came from a slightly different place.
some stuck around for a long while - Boogie Down Productions AKA KRS One, Killah Priest, Insane clown Posse, Tech N9ne, Eminem, and probably lots more i'm too much of a hip hop noob to know about. Lo Key is pretty underground but still making music after 20 years on the scene.
i can actually rattle off a ton of songs from 20 years ago that had no hook but still play on repeat in my head when it's otherwise quiet. in the right ears, the vibe actually IS the hook, and can be potentially far more potent than a hook since it's a lot more likely to invoke a nostalgic imprint. hooks don't really invite nostalgia as much as vibe does: hooks can get played so much that you get sick of them... when+where you were when you felt a vibe will be with you always
Taylor Swift garbage of 2014 isn't with me, and the Taylor Swift garbage of 2024 won't ever be with me.
the aesthetic is all that matters for a lot of popular music like this because that's all a lot of the npcs listening to it are. they stand for nothing, they have no coherent worldviews, they have nothing to say that wasn't just put into their brains 30 seconds ago, so that's what they relate to. this is music used as background noise for the images that define the spectacle. my life a movie and im the main character....issa vibe
That feels kind of harsh.
Bro I remember standing in line at Tower records in the late 90s to meet Slayer and get my Reign in blood slip cover signed. It was a weekend routine to walk a few miles to coconuts with my 4 droogs and we would each pick out a CD with the most badass cover and of course a Parental advisory sticker. Get high in the woods then sit a bedroom and have our minds blown by some new death,speed,thrash metal album we never heard before. Ahhh the good ol 90s.
This might sound weird, but I think music follows the drugs trending at the time. I like to be hyped up so I pretty much exclusively listen to 70s-early 90s rock when everyone was on coke (even though I wasn't alive for most), then lean became the trendy thing and that opened the door for percs, xans, fent, H, etc and everyone just wanted to lounge around and vibe out so the music began to match the aesthetic
that's definitely a part of it!
i just take xans for the aesthetic ✨✨✨💖
@@ictogon I prefer edibles to see what my cat has to say about the used car market
I was thinking the same, maybe even decriminalization of pot contributed to people wanting music to just vibe to
I'm reckoning that the dude got a mattress sponsor cuz today's music puts him to sleep sooner than expected.
I think the weirdest thing are people slowing down and reverbing songs that are already vibey on their own. I also think there are a good portion of music listeners that want to get lost in the music or use it as as a drug in some sense as cringe as it sounds. Vibey music also isn’t something you can constantly throw on whenever. And it makes it hard to find new music that isn’t just boring to me a lot of the time. One artist that is the exception for me right now is King Krule idk if it’s just exceptional vibe music but for me I just connect to it on a deeper level. A ton of metal has just been boring as well, but that might be just a following trends issue. My friend and I’s new fav thing to do is share and laugh at cringe metal covers of pop songs. Sorry for the scattered thoughts on the subject.
most metal has always sucked balls as most bands are just copycats trying to "make a specific kind of metal". as with any genre really, it takes heart to make music that isn't shitty. most death metal or black metal was always boring as hell. i remember listening to 10-20 albums per week even 15 years ago and usually most of the music was just for me. not necessarily terrible, just boring, or a style i don't like. or maybe it's just that styles are really important to each person and that's why most metal always sucked but it's always different bands for different people lol.... like I remember loving folk metal like Finntroll or Ensiferum or Thyrfing but i couldn't listen to most folk metal.
also the reverb stuff is just..... drugs. that kind of music just sounds a lot better when you're high. i wouldn't call it music made for being sober even if you can enjoy it sober. just like dubstep and trap music and psytrance you can just .... literally hear why and how that music is made the way it's made.
Finn,
I love this video. The angles you take when it comes to music and just pop culture in general is so well thought out.
I feel this is a reflection of our time period. I see this trend with movies and fashion.
My opinion- oversaturation and less attention spans
You brought up a great point in your tik tok explanation and touched upon it here too.
In movies, you see lots of reboots, sequels, and less original ideas, oversaturation or superheroes movies while less story driven, character development movies
In fashion you see trends going from left to right with lots of that due to tik tok, / fast fashion, and hypebeasts. But not only that, you have a lot of minimalism, things that are simple yet sell you on LIFESTYLE, and that really comes down to the overexpansion of neuromarketing.
If you havent checked out already theres some cool content of that on youtube where it goes into other categories like grocery shopping.
Thanks for posting and sharing.
I’ve noticed there’s significant interest in poppy Latin-trap-reggaeton or Afro Beats these days and couldn’t put my finger on it as to why. I feel they both fall in the vibe category and I see a lot of that music used in videos - it seems to be a go-to for holiday Tik Toks
Dude, you are so right! I had hard time wording my feeling about all this new music & it is really true. No hooks, just vibe & aesthetics. The problem with this type of music - there’s literally nothing to hum or scream, you can’t sing along & FEEL feel like what “old” music does to you as a listener.
The only problem I have with this video is Paramore being used as an example of no hook, when “This is why” has been in my head since I heard it. Other than that… I swear he jumped into my head and read out my thoughts.
IKR, when I saw them pop up on this video, I was like, hey leave Paramore alone 😂
13:43 is the best explanation of today's music and has a lot of sense: we're no longer in the era of media and culture drunkenness, we're now in the hangover era, that's why we only find comfort in nostalgia, and thinking about what's happening and what's to come just make our heads hurt so music and media in general is just background noise ... and this is happening at all levels and demographics
It's like writing bangers isn't enough anymore
Now you have to be the visionary of a multi-media expression of yourself across social media, music videos, fashion, dance choreography, brand collabs, advocacy efforts, etc. The music is just the soundtrack to the world you construct, rather than being the primary product from which everything else is based. This isn't new, but it sometimes feels like music has been falling down the list of emphasis/priority recently.
While I dig that people are dreaming big and expanding their creative horizons, at times it feels like a cult of personality and we're not going to be left with much actually timeless music.
I wish the pop music industry would remember that not every timeless hit song is going to be written by some stand-out star. There's gonna be a lot of great, memorable songs written by average folks that are worth hearing. Not everything has to come from hype or some overnight Tik Tok star, sometimes the music can speak for itself.
So true. I’ve looked up songs after hearing part of it in a TikTok video, only to find out the rest of it is so lackluster. There isn’t a need to make a full good song to get some attention.
this is exactly how i feel. sometimes, i like TikTok because it exposes more underground artists, so they can get more support. but at the same time, TikTok makes some of these artists think that it's passable to make not-so-good music, as long as there's catchy 15 seconds part in it.
When i was a kid around 2008 my dad got me an used ipod with a lot of random music inside. I didn't knew any or the artists inside, but DAMN was it different back then, just like you said in the video, listening music was THE POINT of music. I recall that ipod had Metallica's Black album in it which was what intelduced me to rock. I find it difficult to hear newer songs because for me, listening to music, reflecting the lyrics (or only the composition when its instrumental music) IS the best past. Needless to say, the majority of songs i hear are old. Damn i miss that ipod days just sitting in the backyard and listening to music looking at the sky.