In this video Bob tells us about the problems with his Fleetwood Pace Arrow after 4 days. I accidentally said "Fleetwood Discovery" at one point in the video.
Wondering what happened with this gentlemen's issues, were they resolved? This is an excellent example of why before signing on that dotted line you get a qualified inspector to go through all the systems on any RV you've wanting to purchase. We do it with houses, cars and other purchases but sadly many times on things like RVs and Boats inspections get overlooked and they are critical as this video shows...
Welcome to the new RV world! I delivered those RV junk units for 14 1/2 years and the quality has only gotten worse. MAN DO I have some stories for you!
Really man that is just terrible. You know what I have a 2007 Pacearrow 35 foot RV and to be honest the fit and finish is very very good compared to the newer ones I have been seeing. LIke everything in mine works. I have some things now go out though like the Weldex camera old CRT bad circuit board man. But that is time to replace withe a new color unit. Also some small cabinet hardware needed to be replaced but its been 15 years now ACs work, The heater works. Shower , water pump still going strong. Jacks good everything .
The owner of Fleetwood should personally make a phone call to him and tell him pick out another unit at the local dealership- no question no drama. NO EXCUSES.....
I love to see my man Big Tone., And this is why the Rev group needs to step up their quality control.. My buddy has a 18 Dicovery LXE and he also had roof air problems..
Hello Andrew. I appreciate the fact that you show that owning an RV is not always a slice of heaven. I'm sure that person paid a lot of money for that Coach and to have all those problems after 4 days shows exceptional poor quality control.
Im NOT going to beat you guys up. As the owner of a Class A Diesel Pusher Newmar, I can tell you from experience that this is not something to fault the manufacturer for. This is a DEALER issue. Whoever prepped (or in this case DIDN'T prep) needs a stearn talking to. You know, it doesn't matter if you spend 20K or 500K, the buyer deserves the best product AND the best service and support regardless of what they bought. We have had motorcoaches for a long time and my continuous gripe is always the service company. I will tell you what I do for future needs that REALLY helps us. After a few times of our dealership just going through the motions, keeping our coach 3-4 weeks for simple repairs etc, I had to let my anger go by and decided to deal with this in a different manner and I can tell you this makes a difference. When we go into the dealership they flock to us to greet us, help us and now go above and beyond what our past history has been. The difference is how I treat them. Little things, When I drop off the coach, we bring the service techs boxes of fresh Krispy Kreme doughnuts, once I overheard my service advisor who always handles us talk about her upcoming wedding, so we brought in a couple bottles of wine as a surprise for her. Their lead technician went overboard to take care of an electrical issue and within a necessary time because of pre scheduled vacation. I thanked him for the outstanding work by giving him a cool watch !. Point being, make them WANT to deal with you, not want to run from you. These small gestures of gratitude go a long way. I can assure you they will remember you over all of the other people and their anger or unreasonable requests. I'm sorry for the dampening of your new coach experience, get through it as calmly as you can. Give them a chance to make things right. and once that is done don't focus on what went wrong, focus on everything being right NOW. Best of Luck, you will enjoy your coach I'm sure !!
You shouldn't have to bribe anyone to get a functioning coach. I appreciate your feedback and even mentioned on a previous video when I was in Indian when my buddy bought doughnuts for the folks at Newmar. it is really sad that the industry is come to the point that the only way to get anything done is to spend more of your hard-earned money bribing people to get the work done.
@@RVingwithAndrewSteele You're thinking about this wrong. This is in no way a bribe, this is a THANK YOU,. when they know you appreciate it, they will remember it .
One of the biggest issues with the RV industry is lack of accountability. Luckily, good companies take care of the issues, however, that doesn’t account for all of the “headaches” owners go through when the problems come up. Not to mention the money spent in hotel stays, loss of campground stays, etc. We need to go to congress and lobby for a better system of accountability and quality control when these coaches are being built!
When has getting government involved in things like quality control ever helped? Most of the time it just jacks up prices and lines some politicians pockets. Let's get back to personal accountability and letting our wallets speak for us. Companies will listen when their bottom line goes down. Instead of wanting instant gratification and buying something without a proper inspection that would have caught this gentlemen's issues before that coach even left the lot get them inspected before you sign on the dotted line...
@@PastorwithoutaPulpit You got that right but also we the consumer need to rally together and demand quality. If we refuse to buy they will have to change or keep their products.
I just bought the 2020 Fleetwood Bounder 35K and we had a list of problems too. Our radio didn't work from day 1, under the slidesouts there are big indented scratch marks in the floor, the front windshield moldings came off during delivery and they put blue tape on it. A whole bunch more. Our dealer really encouraged us to buy the after market warranty because we are full-time and it looks like it'll be worth every cent. Unreal!!
Unfortunately those aftermarket warranty companies can make you jump through all kinds of hoops. I'm not a fan of aftermarket warranty, I think the RV manufacturers should have a little more quality control so your RV doesn't have to spend so much time in the shop. Congratulations on the purchase, once you work out the bugs, you will love the bounder, great coach!
I can sympathize with this guy. I had a very similar experience with even more critical components of our 2019 ace 33.1. Dealer support was horrific, Thor had its moments but overall it gets C- . Not to mention the fact that when you shell out that kind of money (even more for this gentleman). You don’t expect to have things vibrating off the wall, appliances not working, In my case a hydraulic fire all within the first couple of months of ownership. After seven months of owning ours, I only had 2 1/2 months of possession. I finally took things into my own hands and now the unit is very serviceable, and we enjoyed a great deal but the dealer and manufacturer quality control and customer service have much to be desired.
My Fleetwood had tons of issues as well. I bought it new and have had nothing but issues with it. The first being it broke down 100 miles away from the dealership I bought it from in Borne TX. Bad quality control.
Very nice video. Really nice to see what the interior looks like and how much room there is to walk to the rear with the slides in. Welcome back Big Tony.
I hope some of the Newmar owners complaining about quality check this out. Not perfect for sure but I still think Newmar puts out the best production grade coaches.
Wow! I've been thinking about buying an entry level diesel pusher . But after reading the comments here I think I'll forget about it. I am 65 and looking to enjoy whatever time the good Lord has left for me. I'm not intrested in spending $200,000+ then fighting with the dealer and manufacture over getting bullshit taken care of. I thought the whole point of buying a motor home is to go places and enjoy yourself. Color me gone! I'll drive or fly and stay in a nice hotel instead.
That’s sad,the dealer should have done a better job of checking this Coach out before it ever left the dealership ! He seems to be in good spirits,I would be really mad and probably would have turned around and went straight back to the dealer !!
Good to see Big Tony back. I agree you will always have problems with a motorhome, but this seems to be excessive. Glad I made the switch FROM Fleetwood, not going back.
One thing a Love about Andy he keep it 100% and Honestly and care about others people that purchase and R.V. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 hope they fix the Gentleman problems.I Subscribed and I'm excited to see more of your Videos.Keep up your Amazing work and Honesty.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
The RV industry on a whole does not have good quality control for the last 50 years. My unit had the same issues with air conditioning and it took a long time in the air condition the dashboard is hit-and-miss. I've also had a lot of generator issues with mine. Just thank God I don't have slide ins. I like that you showed us a slide ins, it's not too bad inside but I wouldn't recommend it for seniors. I do like the door entryway, that's better for seniors are the impaired medically challenged users for units like this. I don't know if I like that separation when the slide in is E on the inmode, behind the driver's seat. I don't know if a traveler could stay in this unit overnight if they'd had to depend on not putting the slides out. The paint job is still a little Gotti and spells out money capitalist. I think the front bumper could get pitted very easily, I think it would be better off if they substitute it in some stainless steel on the lower Front bumper. We also had a lot of issues with our Awning, and finally went to a different manufacturer we just gave up. these units are just money pets, and it's sad to say how technology has advanced, there's still a lot of issues. Just think how bad off Fleetwood would be if they still had their travel trailer and their campers and their vocal home Plates. During the last recession they dropped all of these. Andrew, it worries me that you don't protect your neck from your sun, I lost 7 in of my neck to skin cancer because I didn't protect between the hairline And the shirt. getting back to the RVs I've had a lot of issues with the heating system, the water heater and the refrigerator, but the oven has remained perfect The entire time.
U say discovery, but states is a pace arrow. Big difference in price between the 2 models. Most pace arrows have drop down bunk We like the new discovery lxe 40d with heated floors. Poor quality control. All should be functioning when you pay $150-200k for a new one. Like the paint. Good to see big tony
If you all don’t mind, what dealer was the coach purchased from? The manufacturer and dealer should have made sure all items were working properly and road test prior to shipping and selling.
WELL THATS REAL BAD PUBLICITY FOR PACE ARROW TO LET A RIG GO OUT TO A NEW OWNER WITH ALL THOSE PROBLEMS AND SHAME ON HIS DEALERSHIP FOR NOT CHECKING IT OUT COMPLETELY BOFORE HANDING IT OVER! WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING A LOT OF VIEDOS MOSTLY YOURS ANDREW BECAUSE WE THINK YOU ARE VERY HONEST IN YOUR ASSESSMENTS OF THESE COACHES,MY WIFE AND I ARE LEANING VERY HEAVY TOWARD RETIRING SELLIG OUR HOUSE AND LIVING FULL TIME IN A NICE MOTOR COACH! WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BY A PACE ARROW AFTER THIS MANS EXPERIENCE, HELL THATS WHY YOU BY NEW NOT TO HAVE PROBLEMS,WE ARE LEANING TOWARD AN ALLEGRO RED OR A PHAETON AT THIS TIME! THANKS FOR ALL THE VIEDOS THEY ARE VERY INFORMATIVE!
Meh.... doesn't exactly make me want to run out and buy a Fleetwood. But I watched a video yesterday where you were raving about what a beautiful renovation had been done to a coach and in the backround there was a puck light turning itself on and off over and over. Very hard to find anything at any price that isn't built as cheap and fast as possible.
Went to the fall RV show here a couple months ago and the PACE ARROWS we looked at seemed overpriced and not great quality for the money compared to others at the show. Sorry he having problems. Did he try everything before taking delivery? There were much better coaches for the same or less money at the midwest show we went to. I dont think I would buy a place arrow, I just don't think the quality is there. Stay safe Andrew good to see big Tone again, give Sadie some love.
Yeah man, laundry list of issues with anything you buy that was manufactured by humans. I had an 18 month period of time after I bought my current house (new construction). The list kept growing as time went on through the first year. Some things were nitpicking on my part but some were just flat out poor workmanship and lack of quality control. My RV's the same way. I'm a certified RV inspector and technician by trade and like you, I see a lot of little things that should have been done better at the factory. He'll enjoy that beautiful RV for a long time regardless.
“ hopefully they’ll take care of it “ is the operative phrase there. Better do a lot of hoping, praying, begging and even try so voodoo but I doubt any of those will work. They’ll fix it half ass and in a week you’ll have the same problem. I have never seen an industry in America with no consideration for customers. What the RV industry needs is a class action law suit by a good lawyer and hopefully have the courts order them to honor their warranty and to modify the lemon law to pertain to motor homes.
A diesel with a side entrance? They are all built crappy! They always have something wrong.....it's sad the industry doesn't care. Hey Bob, good luck. Hey Tony.....I watch for you in Fountain Hills, if you ever have a crazy lady say 'hi' and try to hug you, it's probably me! LOL
You know I see that that the fit and finish is good but they need better Quality control. I like the interior but I also do like my older Gas powered 2007 35 Pacearrow the colors seem warmer. For those Battery house issues big thing with RV and Pacearrows. You might of had a power surge somewhere along the system and the Convertors get wierd. Go ahead and locate the switch panel main board with the fuses on it and then pull the ATX looking cables like you do on your CPU motherboard once you do that reset everything goes back into compliance. Of course hit the Power Aux Switch to off first kill the power in the coach before you do the pulling of plugs.
@@JEG6919 very cool, I've seen your name in the comments section several time and appreciate the feedback. Dropping little facts like that definitely earns my respect for your comments.
@@@RVingwithAndrewSteele - There is also a TH-cam channel by Steve Lehto (Michigan Attorney), who has posted two helpful videos on RV law for consumers. Looks like a positive case from the Illinois courts in favor of the buyer recently.
My fam had an older pace arrow by Fleetwood and we couldn't run the air on the front and back at the same time also had computer replaced it had some of the simular problems
Help.. we have 2018 Pace Arrow 38K. We keep her plugged in when stored. She sat for 2 weeks at Freightliner for a week. Came home plugged her in and there is a Red Light error on the inverter saying dead battery. Nothing in the house turns on. Rig starts, the house lights come on. Generator starts only when the rig is on but the same red light error on the inverter (Dead Battery) comes on. Batteries appear to be original and small layers of corrosion are forming on the ground on each battery. Does this sound like equipment failure or do I simply need new batteries?
From what I am seeing this is typical of almost all RV's, weather you pay 200 or 500,000 they have problems, get them out the door we can fix it later, how do you let a rv go out like that, I would like to know if all the stuff worked like it should before he took delivery.
Yup you called it a Discovery twice. At the beginning and then again when you went inside. LOL!!! The kind of quality issues this owner has is inexcusable.
What would you recommend for a class A diesel pusher for 300k or less. Specifically a bunk model. Thank you. I was looking at a Berkshire LS but don’t know about their quality
Hey I got a question for you guys what percent of Class A RV ( All makes and models under 300,000 Including diesel and gas) I've been looking at a lot of TH-cam videos about RVs ... And I see there could be lots of problems that you have to put up with which can very annoying .... Is it always that bad .....And I have to put up with the stuff that goes wrong.... and try to get a fix ... or has it ever been known that you buy a good vehicle with no problems
I believe Winnebago bought Newmar...and btw, the quality issues extend to every RV manufacturer out there. Brand new coaches coming off the line with extensive problems. But wait, there's more ! then you have to try and get the problems fixed by dealers who have enormous hassles with the manufacturers warranty reimbursements. Example, the dealer will say that the fix took x number of hours : the manufacturer says no way, it should've took only x number of hours. Result ? Really poor after sale warranty work. It's a bad, bad spiral. Something has to be done.
THIS WAS NOT A PACE ARROW - EVEN YOU STATED SO IN YOUR DESCRIPTION AREA - GET YOUR - HEADING - FACTS STRAIGHT! ITEM TWO - HE CLAIMED THE RADIO KEPT FALLING OUT - I SAY BS - HOW COME HE DID NOT PROVE IT TO BE SO?
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Wondering what happened with this gentlemen's issues, were they resolved?
This is an excellent example of why before signing on that dotted line you get a qualified inspector to go through all the systems on any RV you've wanting to purchase. We do it with houses, cars and other purchases but sadly many times on things like RVs and Boats inspections get overlooked and they are critical as this video shows...
Welcome to the new RV world! I delivered those RV junk units for 14 1/2 years and the quality has only gotten worse. MAN DO I have some stories for you!
Really man that is just terrible. You know what I have a 2007 Pacearrow 35 foot RV and to be honest the fit and finish is very very good compared to the newer ones I have been seeing. LIke everything in mine works. I have some things now go out though like the Weldex camera old CRT bad circuit board man. But that is time to replace withe a new color unit. Also some small cabinet hardware needed to be replaced but its been 15 years now ACs work, The heater works. Shower , water pump still going strong. Jacks good everything .
The owner of Fleetwood should personally make a phone call to him and tell him pick out another unit at the local dealership- no question no drama. NO EXCUSES.....
Yeah but not going to happen
absolutely agree
Don't take a new RV off the lot, or sign the final paperwork until EVERYTHING works perfectly. Lesson learned!
Absolutely!! I made that mistake once and it took me 18 months to get most things fixed
@@Tomatohater64 do you know of any of these independent consultants? contact info? thanks
I love to see my man Big Tone., And this is why the Rev group needs to step up their quality control.. My buddy has a 18 Dicovery LXE and he also had roof air problems..
Hello Andrew. I appreciate the fact that you show that owning an RV is not always a slice of heaven. I'm sure that person paid a lot of money for that Coach and to have all those problems after 4 days shows exceptional poor quality control.
Im NOT going to beat you guys up. As the owner of a Class A Diesel Pusher Newmar, I can tell you from experience that this is not something to fault the manufacturer for. This is a DEALER issue. Whoever prepped (or in this case DIDN'T prep) needs a stearn talking to. You know, it doesn't matter if you spend 20K or 500K, the buyer deserves the best product AND the best service and support regardless of what they bought. We have had motorcoaches for a long time and my continuous gripe is always the service company. I will tell you what I do for future needs that REALLY helps us. After a few times of our dealership just going through the motions, keeping our coach 3-4 weeks for simple repairs etc, I had to let my anger go by and decided to deal with this in a different manner and I can tell you this makes a difference. When we go into the dealership they flock to us to greet us, help us and now go above and beyond what our past history has been. The difference is how I treat them. Little things, When I drop off the coach, we bring the service techs boxes of fresh Krispy Kreme doughnuts, once I overheard my service advisor who always handles us talk about her upcoming wedding, so we brought in a couple bottles of wine as a surprise for her. Their lead technician went overboard to take care of an electrical issue and within a necessary time because of pre scheduled vacation. I thanked him for the outstanding work by giving him a cool watch !. Point being, make them WANT to deal with you, not want to run from you. These small gestures of gratitude go a long way. I can assure you they will remember you over all of the other people and their anger or unreasonable requests. I'm sorry for the dampening of your new coach experience, get through it as calmly as you can. Give them a chance to make things right. and once that is done don't focus on what went wrong, focus on everything being right NOW. Best of Luck, you will enjoy your coach I'm sure !!
You shouldn't have to bribe anyone to get a functioning coach. I appreciate your feedback and even mentioned on a previous video when I was in Indian when my buddy bought doughnuts for the folks at Newmar. it is really sad that the industry is come to the point that the only way to get anything done is to spend more of your hard-earned money bribing people to get the work done.
@@RVingwithAndrewSteele You're thinking about this wrong. This is in no way a bribe, this is a THANK YOU,. when they know you appreciate it, they will remember it .
One of the biggest issues with the RV industry is lack of accountability. Luckily, good companies take care of the issues, however, that doesn’t account for all of the “headaches” owners go through when the problems come up. Not to mention the money spent in hotel stays, loss of campground stays, etc. We need to go to congress and lobby for a better system of accountability and quality control when these coaches are being built!
When has getting government involved in things like quality control ever helped? Most of the time it just jacks up prices and lines some politicians pockets. Let's get back to personal accountability and letting our wallets speak for us. Companies will listen when their bottom line goes down. Instead of wanting instant gratification and buying something without a proper inspection that would have caught this gentlemen's issues before that coach even left the lot get them inspected before you sign on the dotted line...
@@PastorwithoutaPulpit You got that right but also we the consumer need to rally together and demand quality. If we refuse to buy they will have to change or keep their products.
why we watch Andy's vid's-- he tells the truth-- no kickbacks here--- keep going Andy- you will be at 100k viewers soon--the Truth wins
I just bought the 2020 Fleetwood Bounder 35K and we had a list of problems too. Our radio didn't work from day 1, under the slidesouts there are big indented scratch marks in the floor, the front windshield moldings came off during delivery and they put blue tape on it. A whole bunch more. Our dealer really encouraged us to buy the after market warranty because we are full-time and it looks like it'll be worth every cent. Unreal!!
Unfortunately those aftermarket warranty companies can make you jump through all kinds of hoops. I'm not a fan of aftermarket warranty, I think the RV manufacturers should have a little more quality control so your RV doesn't have to spend so much time in the shop. Congratulations on the purchase, once you work out the bugs, you will love the bounder, great coach!
I used to work for Fleetwood. I remember we used to build about 10 of these motor homes per day with very little quality control.
I can sympathize with this guy. I had a very similar experience with even more critical components of our 2019 ace 33.1. Dealer support was horrific, Thor had its moments but overall it gets C- . Not to mention the fact that when you shell out that kind of money (even more for this gentleman). You don’t expect to have things vibrating off the wall, appliances not working, In my case a hydraulic fire all within the first couple of months of ownership. After seven months of owning ours, I only had 2 1/2 months of possession. I finally took things into my own hands and now the unit is very serviceable, and we enjoyed a great deal but the dealer and manufacturer quality control and customer service have much to be desired.
👍👍👍👍👍👍 WELCOME back big Tony!!!! AWESOME video
My Fleetwood had tons of issues as well. I bought it new and have had nothing but issues with it. The first being it broke down 100 miles away from the dealership I bought it from in Borne TX. Bad quality control.
We were thinking about getting a Pace Arrow until I read the reviews, then went to Newmar. Hope his dealer takes care of these issues.
No RV manufacturer is perfect, but you are better off with a Newmar
Very nice video. Really nice to see what the interior looks like and how much room there is to walk to the rear with the slides in.
Welcome back Big Tony.
Welcome back Big Tony.
Sadly its apparently caveat emptor (let the buyer beware) in the new RV market
I hope some of the Newmar owners complaining about quality check this out. Not perfect for sure but I still think Newmar puts out the best production grade coaches.
DAMN! Big "T" (eclipse) still blocks a lot of sun. 4 days and problems on a $250k+ RV. Scary!
Great video keeping it real!! Great seeing and hearing big Tony again😊🤗❤
Wow! I've been thinking about buying an entry level diesel pusher . But after reading the comments here I think I'll forget about it. I am 65 and looking to enjoy whatever time the good Lord has left for me. I'm not intrested in spending $200,000+ then fighting with the dealer and manufacture over getting bullshit taken care of. I thought the whole point of buying a motor home is to go places and enjoy yourself.
Color me gone! I'll drive or fly and stay in a nice hotel instead.
That’s sad,the dealer should have done a better job of checking this Coach out before it ever left the dealership ! He seems to be in good spirits,I would be really mad and probably would have turned around and went straight back to the dealer !!
Good to see Big Tony back.
I agree you will always have problems with a motorhome, but this seems to be excessive. Glad I made the switch FROM Fleetwood, not going back.
How do both ACs fail. Shame on you Fleetwood even economy travel trailers can get the ac right.
This is a $200,000 brand new coach, no excuse for this kind of quality control.
2020 Yikes. Hope you are all taken care of Bob. Thanks Andrew and Big Tony. Happy trails!
One thing a Love about Andy he keep it 100% and Honestly and care about others people that purchase and R.V. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 hope they fix the Gentleman problems.I Subscribed and I'm excited to see more of your Videos.Keep up your Amazing work and Honesty.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you sir, I appreciate the kind words. Integrity all comes first 👍
Hello guy's great to see Big T💪🏽And of course You🤩
Stay safe stay healthy guy's!"💞
agreed--best of luck with you new rv--hold their toes to the fire
When do we get a "grilling with big Tony" video?
I used to work on those but I'd never own one. They certainly are luxurious though. That said I'm an engine guy, not an rv tech.
The RV industry on a whole does not have good quality control for the last 50 years. My unit had the same issues with air conditioning and it took a long time in the air condition the dashboard is hit-and-miss. I've also had a lot of generator issues with mine. Just thank God I don't have slide ins. I like that you showed us a slide ins, it's not too bad inside but I wouldn't recommend it for seniors. I do like the door entryway, that's better for seniors are the impaired medically challenged users for units like this. I don't know if I like that separation when the slide in is E on the inmode, behind the driver's seat. I don't know if a traveler could stay in this unit overnight if they'd had to depend on not putting the slides out. The paint job is still a little Gotti and spells out money capitalist. I think the front bumper could get pitted very easily, I think it would be better off if they substitute it in some stainless steel on the lower Front bumper. We also had a lot of issues with our Awning, and finally went to a different manufacturer we just gave up. these units are just money pets, and it's sad to say how technology has advanced, there's still a lot of issues. Just think how bad off Fleetwood would be if they still had their travel trailer and their campers and their vocal home Plates. During the last recession they dropped all of these. Andrew, it worries me that you don't protect your neck from your sun, I lost 7 in of my neck to skin cancer because I didn't protect between the hairline And the shirt. getting back to the RVs I've had a lot of issues with the heating system, the water heater and the refrigerator, but the oven has remained perfect The entire time.
Thank you I appreciate that.
U say discovery, but states is a pace arrow. Big difference in price between the 2 models. Most pace arrows have drop down bunk
We like the new discovery lxe 40d with heated floors. Poor quality control. All should be functioning when you pay $150-200k for a new one. Like the paint. Good to see big tony
My mistake If you read the description, and title, I pointed that out.
Check the ac manual. Maybe theres some kind of shipping cover over the ac.
If you all don’t mind, what dealer was the coach purchased from? The manufacturer and dealer should have made sure all items were working properly and road test prior to shipping and selling.
Fleetwood will pay a big price by going cheap.
My wife would have made me take it back. No AC, no sale. They should do a 7 day shake down cruise before putting them on the lot.
Hope they take care of this cat. Look forward to the update.
Had a 1982 31 foot Fleetwood Southwind that I bought used. It was also a piece of crap... But I loved it for 11 years! I even miss it!
Oh Big Tony is back yayyyyyy
That coach is a pace arrow
WELL THATS REAL BAD PUBLICITY FOR PACE ARROW TO LET A RIG GO OUT TO A NEW OWNER WITH ALL THOSE PROBLEMS AND SHAME ON HIS DEALERSHIP FOR NOT CHECKING IT OUT COMPLETELY BOFORE HANDING IT OVER! WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING A LOT OF VIEDOS MOSTLY YOURS ANDREW BECAUSE WE THINK YOU ARE VERY HONEST IN YOUR ASSESSMENTS OF THESE COACHES,MY WIFE AND I ARE LEANING VERY HEAVY TOWARD RETIRING SELLIG OUR HOUSE AND LIVING FULL TIME IN A NICE MOTOR COACH! WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BY A PACE ARROW AFTER THIS MANS EXPERIENCE, HELL THATS WHY YOU BY NEW NOT TO HAVE PROBLEMS,WE ARE LEANING TOWARD AN ALLEGRO RED OR A PHAETON AT THIS TIME! THANKS FOR ALL THE VIEDOS THEY ARE VERY INFORMATIVE!
Meh.... doesn't exactly make me want to run out and buy a Fleetwood. But I watched a video yesterday where you were raving about what a beautiful renovation had been done to a coach and in the backround there was a puck light turning itself on and off over and over. Very hard to find anything at any price that isn't built as cheap and fast as possible.
RV industry pumps out junk! Very sad for this owner!
Went to the fall RV show here a couple months ago and the PACE ARROWS we looked at seemed overpriced and not great quality for the money compared to others at the show. Sorry he having problems. Did he try everything before taking delivery? There were much better coaches for the same or less money at the midwest show we went to.
I dont think I would buy a place arrow, I just don't think the quality is there.
Stay safe Andrew good to see big Tone again, give Sadie some love.
i'm looking at used ones - not sure yet
Good to see big Tony
Yeah man, laundry list of issues with anything you buy that was manufactured by humans. I had an 18 month period of time after I bought my current house (new construction). The list kept growing as time went on through the first year. Some things were nitpicking on my part but some were just flat out poor workmanship and lack of quality control. My RV's the same way. I'm a certified RV inspector and technician by trade and like you, I see a lot of little things that should have been done better at the factory. He'll enjoy that beautiful RV for a long time regardless.
Thanks for keeping it real
I know how he feels. Sounds like the QC dept at Sundowner Trailers.
I wonder if there was a pdi done before Bob picked up his coach.
“ hopefully they’ll take care of it “ is the operative phrase there. Better do a lot of hoping, praying, begging and even try so voodoo but I doubt any of those will work. They’ll fix it half ass and in a week you’ll have the same problem.
I have never seen an industry in America with no consideration for customers.
What the RV industry needs is a class action law suit by a good lawyer and hopefully have the courts order them to honor their warranty and to modify the lemon law to pertain to motor homes.
A diesel with a side entrance?
They are all built crappy!
They always have something wrong.....it's sad the industry doesn't care.
Hey Bob, good luck.
Hey Tony.....I watch for you in Fountain Hills, if you ever have a crazy lady say 'hi' and try to hug you, it's probably me! LOL
Big Tony in the house!!!! Good to see the big guy back. Did he go through the fridge on that tour? Lol
Why did Andrew keep calling it a Discovery when the exterior said Pace Arrow?
Sorry to hear this. Thought the 2020 had the digital speedometer.
You know I see that that the fit and finish is good but they need better Quality control. I like the interior but I also do like my older Gas powered 2007 35 Pacearrow the colors seem warmer. For those Battery house issues big thing with RV and Pacearrows. You might of had a power surge somewhere along the system and the Convertors get wierd. Go ahead and locate the switch panel main board with the fuses on it and then pull the ATX looking cables like you do on your CPU motherboard once you do that reset everything goes back into compliance. Of course hit the Power Aux Switch to off first kill the power in the coach before you do the pulling of plugs.
After Crean retired, Fleetwood has been a tire fire.
You know your stuff, are you in the industry?
RVing with Andrew Steele I have just followed the industry since I was young is all. 😎
@@JEG6919 very cool, I've seen your name in the comments section several time and appreciate the feedback. Dropping little facts like that definitely earns my respect for your comments.
@@@RVingwithAndrewSteele - There is also a TH-cam channel by Steve Lehto (Michigan Attorney), who has posted two helpful videos on RV law for consumers. Looks like a positive case from the Illinois courts in favor of the buyer recently.
@@JEG6919 thank you I'll check that out.
How much did he spend on the RV? Is it brand new?
It was brand new, I'm not sure what he paid but it wasnt cheap.
@@RVingwithAndrewSteele Amen. That's just pathetic. How could Fleetwood allow this to happen? I'd never do business with them.
My fam had an older pace arrow by Fleetwood and we couldn't run the air on the front and back at the same time also had computer replaced it had some of the simular problems
Tony..we miss your happy face..welcome back..sooo..this gentlemen bought this couch without a test drive??? Or a test anything??..LOL..
Classic Fleetwood problems, they are good RVs, but the quality is a little iffy.
@Richard Crooks For many, it's all about the sale. Whatever happens afterward is YOUR problem.
Help.. we have 2018 Pace Arrow 38K. We keep her plugged in when stored. She sat for 2 weeks at Freightliner for a week. Came home plugged her in and there is a Red Light error on the inverter saying dead battery. Nothing in the house turns on. Rig starts, the house lights come on. Generator starts only when the rig is on but the same red light error on the inverter (Dead Battery) comes on. Batteries appear to be original and small layers of corrosion are forming on the ground on each battery. Does this sound like equipment failure or do I simply need new batteries?
From what I am seeing this is typical of almost all RV's, weather you pay 200 or 500,000 they have problems, get them out the door
we can fix it later, how do you let a rv go out like that, I would like to know if all the stuff worked like it should before he took delivery.
Yup you called it a Discovery twice. At the beginning and then again when you went inside. LOL!!! The kind of quality issues this owner has is inexcusable.
Big Tony is da man
So how did the issues get resolved? My buddy is having issues with his 2021 36U.
That’s to bad hope they get it all fixed for you!
Wow, that’s why I switched to Winnebago in 2007 after 2 Fleetwoods
why we will only buy a Prevost--even if it is 10-15 yrs old-"Prevost"- Tremendous quality through out
A ten yr old Prevost is 10 X better than most brand new RV's today.
amen brother---@@crazycanuck2578
I'm sorry, but Fleetwood truly is crap. Build quality is shameful!
Discovery or Pace Arrow? I have to go with Pace Arrow 35 QS. Discovery doesn't make 35'...
Ideas for battery installation?
This is why I stay at the Marriott hotels...and always get a suite. Luxury plus and I’ll never spend what he spent on his coach. 😎
Smart man!
What do you do for a living man?
Okay so when you took delivery during the introduction did everything work? if so seems odd everything went to shit in 4 days.
What happen to that cargo door!!! What did he hit?
Not a fun miaden voyage! Happens to the best of us!
I noticed that too, very unfortunate to say the least.
What would you recommend for a class A diesel pusher for 300k or less. Specifically a bunk model. Thank you. I was looking at a Berkshire LS but don’t know about their quality
Hey I got a question for you guys what percent of Class A RV ( All makes and models under 300,000 Including diesel and gas)
I've been looking at a lot of TH-cam videos about RVs ...
And I see there could be lots of problems that you have to put up with which can very annoying ....
Is it always that bad .....And I have to put up with the stuff that goes wrong.... and try to get a fix ...
or has it ever been known that you buy a good vehicle with no problems
Yeah, I have zero trust for those people. They'll rip you off without batting an eye.
QC in the RV industry doesn't exist. Never buy a new coach!!! Let the first owner have all the headaches.
Andrew, you look just like Matt Ryan of the Falcons. Good vids though.
Buy a Newell amigo !
Bob, you got screwed.
I guess he will have to get a prevost.
1999 Pace Arrow. Made in Oregon U.S.A.
2020 Pace Arrow. Parts manufactured in China and assembled god knows where...
Is this coach brand new ?
Yes
What's the news here, it's a Fleetwood product.
Is this the company that just bought Newmar??? Hope not
I believe Winnebago bought Newmar...and btw, the quality issues extend to every RV manufacturer out there. Brand new coaches coming off the line with extensive problems. But wait, there's more ! then you have to try and get the problems fixed by dealers who have enormous hassles with the manufacturers warranty reimbursements. Example, the dealer will say that the fix took x number of hours : the manufacturer says no way, it should've took only x number of hours. Result ? Really poor after sale warranty work. It's a bad, bad spiral. Something has to be done.
Really poor quality on my Fleetwood. You can tell they build them as fast as they can.
Sorry to tell you but it will take a year to get everything fixed! If they even get fixed 😔
Wow 4 days that's not good 🤔
nice
What problems with a new RV? LOL
I own a Fleetwood HyperLITE TOY hauler pure garbage.
No offence to anyone, but I'd rather sleep in the backseat of my car than have a Fleetwood!
Lol
That and a Thor!
If it’s not a Prevost then you’re basically getting junk!
THIS WAS NOT A PACE ARROW - EVEN YOU STATED SO IN YOUR DESCRIPTION AREA - GET YOUR - HEADING - FACTS STRAIGHT!
ITEM TWO - HE CLAIMED THE RADIO KEPT FALLING OUT - I SAY BS - HOW COME HE DID NOT PROVE IT TO BE SO?
Shameful Fleetwood
Another SOS....