Super True Stories: The Original John Calvin (Ep. 3)
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- If it's true that Jesus didn't die for everybody, why do the Apostles make it sound like Jesus totally died for everybody?
Watch this super true story to find out. - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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"I think you're confusing God with Megatron" lol
lol
Jesus loves you my friend
have a nice day
“I’m a Calvinist. I’m certain about everything…except if Jesus died for me.” Lol
As a Calvinist, I know God saved me because he said so . I have his sacraments and his words. He is sovereign.
are you aware that not all Calvinists hold to Owen's limited satisfaction view?
"I'm a Calvinist, I'm certain about everything, except if Jesus died for me..."
Shots fired.
Lutherans and Arminians et al , I might be saved or not, I can't tell and whether Jesus died for me or not doesn't affect that and even if I think I am saved I could still be wrong or end up falling away.
@@Phill0old I believe once saved, always saved. Who said I was an Armenian?
@@UrsahSolar I don't believe such a thing. I believe in the preservation of the saints.
@@Phill0old Good for you, but you still assumed I'm an Armenian when I am not. You should say sorry for presuming.
@@UrsahSolar Should I? If it makes you happy, I apologise.
I'm a Calvinist, and I love my true Lutheran brothers and sisters in Christ. these vids are awesome.
We love y’all too! And I love Lutheran Satire, though it does bother me how hostile he is to Calvinists sometimes. I have a good friend who is a Calvinist, no doubt he is a Christian even though we disagree theologically (on things that, I think, are really just semantic differences most of the time)
@@jakobi4971 i foloow fighting for the faith, longfortruth1 and messed up church! whereever truth is proclaimed we stand united. one church one faith one baptism. as christ our lord said, those who are on the side of truth, hear MY voice 🙏 #5Solas
@@fiveSolas879What do you do with 1 corinthians 8 11, it says those for whom Christ died can still perish. I've heard some calvinists say it means temporarily falling into sin but the greek word is apollomie which means lost, totally destroyed or perish.
@@christophersnedekerhypothetical universalism and covenant theology resolve this
"I think you're confusing God with Megatron"
nice.
I liked what I heard a 5 point Calvinist pastor preach in a sermon when someone once asked him how to know if he was among the elect. The pastor's response was something like this: "That's easy. Get saved."
Just a teensy little problem there.😂
That monkeypox reference aged very unwell 😂.
Really, I thought it's practically prophetic! So, it aged extremely well.
Not prophetic, but I'm trying to figure out if what I have on my arms is eczema or pellagra or that thing you get with arthritis, or curiously-acquired monkey pox. There are "pox", but they came with the 1,000s of bedbug bites. If I get my Medicare Advantage Dual plan straightened out, so that I get a doctor and everything, I will probably go to one and have it checked out.
@@lindajohnson4204 monkeypox almost exclusively affects the MSM community, and is blood-borne.
“…everyone else can die of monkeypox…”. Suddenly this statement has fresh relevance.
Ha, ha! Yes
"So you started a theological conclusion, and interpret the cross to fit what you already decided had to be true."
Lookin' at you, LGBT-promoters.
Hmmm...and you know nothing about Confessional Lutherans. If you did, then you would know we are not LGBT supporters. You would also know that we condemn same sex marriage, are pro life and do not ordain women. Your comment is void.
Michelle Allred i wasn't attacking confessional lutherans, i was only attacking christians that generally support the LGBTQRS.
+Jonny Lupus my apologies.
***** i guess...
And Calvinists.
I'm Arminian in theology, but I have to say it's a bridge too far to equate Calvin and Spurgeon with Westboro's Phelps.
Scott Rutherford Thanks, brother. Those WBC folks are pure nuts.
Both make God seem to glory in hatred, killing and damnation, what God's word actually says be damned, or at least stonewalled, pardon the expression.
It's not a bridge too far, and not a moment too soon. Actually, it's not equating them with Westboro, it's using hyperbole--the hyperbole of reality!--to show that the inevitable result of thinking like that, ain't good.
WBC are atheists, posing as fundies, to troll the uninformed for their own financial gain
@@MarcillaSmith Agreed!
Also, for ideological gain. A false flag operation against believing in Jesus.
I have a Calvinist brother-in-law, whom if I say to someone else, “God loves us so much He died for us,” and he overhears that, he will send me a 9000 page email that assumes I know nothing about the Bible.
If your faith is not making you any holier, there is a very very good chance you have not true faith.
“I frankly confess that even if it were possible I should not wish to have free choice given to me, or to have anything left in my own hands by which I might strive for salvation.”
― Martin Luther, The Bondage of the Will
"...even if it were possible..." is the key phrase there, by the way. Though he desired it to be that way, he clearly states that is is not.
Luther’s view didn’t win out among Lutheranism. However, Lutheranism got slapped with his term
@@brady1407 wrong
@@brady1407 read the smalcald articles on repentance the website is BookofConcord.org which Luther wrote AFTER the bondage of the will, that willful open sin drives out the Holy Ghost
After Luther died, the theology of the Lutheran church was shaped by Philip Melanchthon.
"But everyone else can die of monkeypox for all he cares."
Ope, published 11 years ago or 11 days ago?
I broke down laughing, but trying to restrain myself, considering how it is passed about...
"Monkey Pox", this must be prophetic...
“Well uh you see ‘world’ doesn’t mean the world it actually means the elect. We said so!”
lol. Yeah, that translation would end up making John 3:16 sound redundant!
Yes clearly world means every single individual and not something like the nations because obviously people living in ancient palestine had modern western ideals of individualism. Lets ignore the fact world is used in a few different ways throughout Johns epistle
If the the word world obviously means, as you think it should, everyone that ever lived can you please explain this verse
Romans 1 Verse 8
First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Clearly you think that Eskimos, Native Americans and Australian Aborigines, past , present and future were speaking about the faith of the church in Rome?
1 John 2:15-17 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them. 16 For everything in the world-the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-comes not from the Father but from the world. 17 The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.
Obviously the world means everyone that ever lived right?
Try thinking, checking usage and not saying stupid things.
@@danielomitted1867 oh but election isn't a corporate election of the church.
I'm a Calvinist and this is hillarious
Wow, the monkey pox reference is amazing.
@analogiest except when Calvin told Luther that he "had no grasp of the Gospel, and if he ever had it, he had clearly lost it." But yeah, total respect, otherwise...
Look, you can quote Melton and Spurgeon all you want, but when you throw in the Westboro Baptist Church as some sort of actual Christian organization, it repel's me from wanting to hear what else you have to say, regardless of the validity it may or may not carry.
+Caleb Cone Was thinking the same thing. Respect^^
+Caleb Cone You are correct. It was simply an attempt to discredit some truth because it is believed by some despicable people. I suppose they could denounce the Trinity by showing the the Romans church believes it - and the Virgin Birth, too.
Well, I don't want to sound unpopular here, but well... they are Christians. To my knowledge they were baptized in a Trinitarian manner and still believed that Jesus sacrificed his life for them (to such a selfish extent that they refused to believe that God sacrificed his life for anyone else.). That's kind of all you need. Clearly, they weren't very "Christian like", but I'm afraid nobody is. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I'm afraid that if we were justified by our actions, we would all be surely done for.
G/Gamer - 10 months later i just want to check if you still feel that those who display nothing of the fruits of The Spirit can be called 'Christian'?
It is called Satire....
I love my many Calvie friends but this is 1000% accurate 🤣
11 years later the world braces for Monkey Pox... well, maybe not the whole world. 😉
Hilarious! I'm not set in stone on the nature of the atonement, but the bits at the end had me laughing out loud. I've been there. I guess my question would be, why should it make a difference to us? We are to preach the gospel to the whole world. Live and preach until you drop, let God deal with the hearts, and trust that in the end he will save whom he will save. Blessings all!
Lol as one who afferms limited atonement I wasn't sure what to expect however I was laughing the whole way through, very nice bro very nice. I give it a ten :)
Matt. 1:21- "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
John 10:16-29- "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand."
If you look at everything that is said about who Jesus died for, he gave His life for His sheep, His friends, and the world, to name three. He would have all men be saved, and to come unto a knowledge of the truth. It is not the will of the Father that one of these little ones perish--Jesus. God's word says He gave His life for the world; how dare Calvinism call that a lie?
But it also says He died for His sheep and His friends. He knows that, while He would have all men be saved, not all will be saved. So it's true that while He died for all, giving all a right to call on Him to be saved, He died so that those who receive Him might have everlasting life, not so that those who refuse, all their lives, to receive Him, can do so with impunity. So in that sense, He definitely died for His sheep who hear His voice, and for His friends. It also said He died to reconcile His enemies to Himself; He came for sinners, not for the righteous. So all of those verses look at His death from different points of view, and it's not a matter of which one is true, because in God's intended meaning, they are all true. And they are compatible with each other in truth, without strain, or squinting to make them seem compatible. Only the dictates of Augustine, Calvin and followers require that you deny some of what the Bible says, supposedly to uphold the other things it says. But calling God a liar, or implying that He is by suppressing scripture that won't conform to the theology, undermines belief in the authority of all of it. It is a trap to wreck the faith of many, to which many Calvinists say, Who cares? They obviously were not of the elect.
And consider this: Jesus condemned the Pharisees for putting the traditions of men over the word of God. But what were those traditions they honored above the Bible? Not just a local tradition of washing ones hands before eating. Mainly, it was rabinnical commentary: basically, the same thing that we call theology. Theologians supposedly study the Bible to rightly divide the word of God, helping those not as gifted to understand it. But that isn't how it usually turns out. Some theologians are ambitious intellectuals who want to put some notches on their belts. Some are in search of a higher place in the scheme of things, and are basically "God makers", or "noble lie" spinners. They seek to create a God for the masses, who fits what they see as the needs of the hour, and largely in terms that please those in power, who seek to better control the people, or perhaps effect radical (or even subtle) change. These guys are essentially auditioning for a comfy, influential place in the ruler's court. They don't really believe the gospel that they give pious lip service to. So they don't fear God; they are those who have "a form of godliness", "denying the power thereof". Whoever it is who deny God's word, they certainly can't have made that choice because they tremble at God's word. If, when confronted with a choice of denying Calvin/Augustine or the Bible, they keep Augustine and suppress the Bible, they are operating out of the fear of man, or desire for advantages they can get by obeying man. The logical necessity that they claim demands that they place the reasoning of man above the world of God, cannot be true. Atheists try to pit one verse against the other because they hope to use them to undermine faith in the Bible as truth. When Calvinists choose a few prooftext verses, and suppress those which don't agree with their interpretation, the same thing is taking place. We can know that whenever theologians suppress the word of God in favor of their theology, they didn't do that for the word of God's sake, and like false prophets, we dont have to listen to them. That is what the Pharisees did, too.
@@lindajohnson4204 Well said, well done!
@@lindajohnson4204 Destruction 100
Funny stuff! Adding the Westboro quote was over the top. Westboro is essentially Calivinist gone wild.
Funny you should post this. I'm reading Luther's "Bondage of the Will" and I'm not getting too much difference between him and Calvin.
I lived Arminian for a long time, but the more I read the Scriptures, the more I see of Calvinism than Arminianism. In order for an Arminian to be consistent, there's too much scripture-twisting and equivocation. Passages like Romans 9, Ephesians 1 and 2, I Peter 1:2, John 6: 44, Proverbs 16:4, and others prove to be problems for Arminians.
^Agreed. Particularly on your second sentence, except in past tense.
Good thing Lutheran doctrine and Arminianism are extremely different from each other.
But Satan doesn't serve any purpose and isn't someone God is fighting against. Arminian theology makes him way too powerful but Calvinism makes him entirely pointless. He's not even the one doing the tempting. God fashions us to be damned for his own amusement and we have no way of knowing if we win the cosmic lottery that actually secures us since God could just be deceiving us to damn more people. "God is love" quickly becomes "God is Lovecraftian" if we take this theology to its logical conclusion.
Yeah, arminianism just creates a convenient workaround for total depravity that just nullifies it
@@storba3860do you deny God's foreknowledge and that He is creator?
Predicting monkeypox 11 years in advance!
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them"John 6:44"And all those elected for eternal life believed"Acts 13: 48
+Joseph Nice job ignoring the verses that make it clear that whoever believes is saved. Also you make it seem like God is a hypnotist.
+Joseph Elected doesn't mean chosen for salvation before birth.
+Joseph Lutherans believe this since the Scripture teaches it. That doesn't mean Jesus didn't die for the sins of the whole world.
Meta
No actually elected doesn't mean chosen for salvation before birth but before foundation of the world
Ephesians 1:4-5
According as he hath *chosen us in him before the foundation of the world*, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:Having *predestinated us* unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, *according to the good pleasure of his will,*
Ephesians 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Romans 8:29-30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
The word translated " predestined " in the Scriptures quoted above comes from the Greek word " proorizo " which carries the meaning of "determining before", " Order ", "decide in advance"
Quentin Langrand Hey moron? Before foundation of the Earth is before birth, before everyones birth. And sorry but I don't believe in calvinism, a doctrine made by man. And I'm sick of you calvinists posting the same verses again and again (and ignoring others) even though it's clear they don't work.
I love that you reference monkey pox in this video!
As a Calvinist, I know God saved me because he said so . I have his sacraments and his words. He is sovereign.
@stegokitty I want you to understand that I welcome all respectful dialogue/inquiries, and I respond to snarky comments accordingly.
But all that aside, you've asked me a lot of questions and if you'd be so kind, I'd like you to answer one for me:
How do YOU, as a Calvinist, know/are assured that you are indeed one of the elect and that your sins have truly been forgiven for Christ's sake?
Would love to see you debate James White on this Feeny.
"I think you are confusing God with Megatron" - 2:50
Best line.
“Are the elect only effectually called?
All the elect, and they only, are effectually called (Acts 13:48): although others may be, and often are, outwardly called by the ministry of the Word (Matthew 22:14), and have some common operations of the Spirit (Matthew 7:22, Hebrews 6:4-6); who, for their willful neglect and contempt of the grace offered to them, being justly left in their unbelief, do never truly come to Jesus Christ (John 12:38-40, Acts 28:25-27, John 6:64-65, Psalm 81:11-12).”
Westminster Larger Catechism, Question #68
"I think you're confusing God with Megatron."
Thank you for your reply. So I want to make sure I get this right. We cannot know if God is sad for all eternity because that is not revealed in His word. It is one of those questions that has to be answered when we see Him. Thanks again and have a great day.
I'm not sure how this comment comes from the video, but I do know joy is a fruit of the Spirit, so God is joyful for all eternity.
Newsflash: Luther taught that God chose to save only some.
No, he rejected that. Luther was a Monergist, not a Calvinist.
"I think you're confusing God with Megatron." 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤it so True.
Woah! Combining the doctrines taught puritans and the prince of preachers with those of the Westboro Baptists is a stretch!
^yeah.
They don't think its a stretch!
I have another question. Is it by our decision that determines our eternity?
*Clears throat strawman *clears throat
oh, wow. M-Pox reference 11 years ago? good work!
The most satirical moment is when everyone realizes that luther was a calvinist
Just because he was a monergist does not mean he was a Calvinist. He quite explicitly did not agree with Calvin on limited atonement.
I really enjoyed my recent youth group lock-in.
Without going into it in this comment thread (again for the purpose of keeping these types of discussions among believers), would one of my learned Lutheran brothers commenting here please do me a favor and send me a private message detailing how the Lutherans read Romans chapter 9 and do not understand its teaching on reprobation?
Calvinism is to Christianity what Reddit is to atheism.
@AnHonestChristian - Several reasons: I'm assured of my salvation by the simple fact that I actively (not just something that happened in the past) believe the Gospel. The Spirit of God assures me through His sanctifying work, in chastising me for my sins, in bringing me to repentance & renewed faith, & a desire for new obedience. Little by little, I see the work of the triune God in my life. He gives me a hatred of sin, a love of God, His Word, the Church, & the lost.
The Westboro Baptist Church quote was uncalled for.
"I think you´re confusing God with Megatron". OOF!
May 2022. The monkey pox line suddenly relevant. Well, relevant if you are still led by media hysteria.
“I’m certain about everything... except if Jesus died for me.” 😂😂😂
@TheLutheranSatire Can you also make satirical videos about John Wesley and Jacobus Arminius, please?
I'm hoping he will do one about Calvin, in the persona of the supercilious Sheriff of Nottingham, in the 50s English TV series, "Robin Hood". You know, "Robeen HOOD!?!?!"
th-cam.com/video/IcMGCqo177o/w-d-xo.html
ROFL @ "I think you're confusing God with Megatron".
@AnHonestChristian - You bring up a good point about Institution. Though it's not the Westminster interpretation, it does make me wonder, why it is that some people, at least at the beginning of the Apostolic age, became sick & (possibly?) died from eating the Supper in an "unworthy manner". I've heard it preached on as their becoming sick & actually falling asleep, as from having too much food & wine, since that's the way they were behaving. But I'm not entirely sure how to think of it.
@stegokitty Regarding your point about "many" vs. "all": Jesus said that those who find the gate leading to eternal life are "FEW" (Matt. 7:14) in contrast to the "MANY" who enter the gate of destruction (v.14). Jesus died for the few (the elect) and the many.
At least so far as I have seen, the primary difference between Lutheran and Calvinist teaching regarding election is the Lutheran doctrine of resistible grace vs. the Calvinist doctrine of irresistible grace. Lutherans believe all those who hear the Gospel are called by the Gospel, while Calvinists believe that only some who hear the Gospel are called.
To the Lutheran, if someone hears the Gospel and does not accept it, God has extended grace and they have rejected it.
To the Calvinist, if someone hears the Gospel and rejects it, it is because God did nothing.
To the Lutheran, if someone hears the Gospel and accepts it, God has extended grace and they have not resisted.
To the Calvinist, if someone hears the Gospel and accepts it, God has extended grace.
Therefore, the Calvinist believes God never tried with the one who is ultimately damned, while the Lutheran believes God did try, but was rejected.
The Calvinist believes the Lutheran view is a violation of God's sovereignty.
The Lutheran believes the Calvinist view is a violation of God's love.
Calvinists will quote Romans 9:19, "You will say to me then, 'Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?'"
Lutherans will quote Acts 7:51, "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did"
Calvinists believe God never tried with vessels of wrath and is glorified for His might and justice in their destruction.
Lutherans believe God did try with vessels of wrath and is glorified for His patience and love towards even them in addition to being glorified for His might and justice in their eventual destruction.
I think there a lot of the difference is involved with the idea of whether God would waste His efforts or blood. The Calvinists would not accept for God to waste either of these things on the non-elect, while the Lutherans would not consider either of these things being spent on the non-elect to be a waste.
It seems to me like the whole LIP of TULIP chiefly rests on the I of irresistible grace, which Lutherans reject, which is why they have at most a TU, though usually Lutherans prefer "total corruption" to "total depravity". Just the differences I observed as a Lutheran with lots of Calvinist friends.
I agree. I would add a bit after some rereading of the Formula. The focus for Lutherans is what is to be *preached* in the Evangelical Church. When Luther was trying to convince Erasmus, he did not hesitate to go the whole nine yards. But you absolutely do not see him preaching his logical opinions (about God's fore-judgement or not of Pharaoh, for example) because that would not be Law, nor Gospel, nor encouragement, nor edification, nor warning, nor anything of value to the Evangelical Congregation. What do you think? I'm happy to delete this comment if you disagree. You seem to understand the two sides better than I do.
I think you've got a good point because some seem to do harm in the teaching and arguing regarding predestination. However, I think there is some value to an understanding of unconditional election. It is like the parable of the dinner guests in Luke 14:16-24. The people who were brought in to the dinner were not brought in because they were amazing, but because the man wanted guests at his dinner. At the same time, he was not disdainful towards them at all, but was very glad to have them at his dinner. In God's plan we were saved, not because of our own merits, and so we cannot boast. However, God is very happy to have us and has prepared even more places at the dinner, so we can rejoice He will bring many more as well. Until the end of this age, we can rejoice knowing God has not only prepared us a place at His table, but has also prepared many more places at the table. Idk, that was kinda rambling, but probably because you are right and it is pretty hard to preach about predestination XD
@@gerrardthemagnificent5960 Amen!
Why would any student of church history throw Spurgeon in the same basket as Westboro? What about Owen, Edwards, Augustine, Ryle, Whitefield, Henry, Knox, and others? Martin Luther himself is categorized by many scholars to be in the vein of Calvinism, especially considering his extensive defenses of the redemptive work of God against Erasmus. If you want to satirize a rigorous theological position, at least have the courtesy and sense to not include an aberrant hate group in with some of the greatest Christian theologians.
I heard Lutheran pastor Jordan Cooper say on his podcast that Luther would be a 2 point or one-and-a-half point Calvinist. And that makes for a huge division.
And their perspective is that a heterodox teaching can give rise to huge heresies and damaging perversions. So I can understand why a Lutheran would throw in WBC at the end of the list of quotes--showing a chronological devolving of sorts. Not saying that what they did is the best way for them to argue their point, though! You're right about that courtesy thing.
I am not a Calvinist, and I love Spurgeon. Have you read this? If it is too long, just read the first few hundred words! Spurgeon was "wordy". But it is worth reading at least the first part, where he deals with denials of his text, the one that assures us that God "would have all men be saved". He teaches so much that refutes Calvinism here. If you read it, be sure to click on "View this resource", and go to the end, to the letter from Mr Spurgeon at the end. Some think that he was not speaking only of his physical health. I am confident that this sermon represents the true, heart's belief of Spurgeon, before his faith was compromised by the theology of the older men who took the boy preacher under their wing.
www.spurgeon.org/resource-library/sermons/salvation-by-knowing-the-truth#flipbook/
@AnHonestChristian - In the words of Calvin, we're all a bunch of idol factories. We're told by the Apostle John to keep away from idols. He wasn't talking to the world, but to the Church, because we all still have a passion for erecting one idol after another. Either of us can just as easily make an idol of our particular theological position, if indeed we place it above Scripture, and are not willing to be corrected by It.
I'm able to judge an obvious motive.
You know it and so do I.
Because I'm quite certain that no Calvinist has ever run up against John 3:16 and come up with an explanation in the nearly 500 years that Calvinism has existed... No way... This video has finally fired the silver bullet that will forever defeat Calvinism. Brilliant! Hahahah. On a side note, as a Calvinist, this video cracked me up. Great work guys. I love a good satire.
Your theology is incoherent.
@@Leo-vr3bghow? Let’s debate
John 3:16 literally affirms limited atonement
The ones at CARM Forum told me that they were "so sick" of John 3:16, and, of course, that it's "descriptive, not prescriptive".
They might cinsuder the fact that what Jesus is describing IS a prescription. Elsewhere, in the book of Acts, it is:
Phillipian jailer: "what must I do to be saved?"
Apostles: "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved".
Thats a prescription that matches the things Jesus said in John 3. But I believe Jesus meant them as a prescription for salvation, for Nicodemas, and for us.
And for those who claim, like the hyperdispensationalists do, that we cannot be saved by believing in Jesus, as in John 3:16, since it doesn't mention the cross: if we put our faith in Jesus to save us, He will get us more light, including about the cross, which we will love, and not deny.
@@tomtemple69Limited to "the world" God loves: thats who Jesus died to save.
Honestly
The parable of the wedding banquet is a good verse in favor of Calvinism
For many are called
(As we all have a responsibility to believe unto The LORD Jesus, even when apart of the elect or not)
But few are chosen
(Few are apart of the elect)
Elect means to choose
So the elect would mean the chosen
This is so funny.
Wait, I'm confused here. Is Sylvia a universalist?
Believing the Bible doesnt make her a Universalist. Preferring that "John" not change the word of God to fit his preferences, for whatever temporary, earthly benefit, is not being a Universalist. In fact, "John's" salvation, itself, would be doubtful, wouldn't it? The real John the apostle was boiled in oil for the testimony of Jesus Christ, and he wouldn't have sold out God's word. He survived the hot oil, was exiled to Patmos, where he wrote the book of Revelation. God had a reason for him to survive the martyrdom of the other apostles, and even his own being burned in hot oil.
Yeah.... Missed it on this one. Made a house of straw.
It's stranger. Luther himself believed in Gods Election. But the denomination doesn't
Way to go "Half-way Papist Sissy Baby". LOL! From an 'All the Way Papist Sissy Baby'. Good job on this video!
That part about the five point Calvinists vs the Wesleyan kids. Was that real? Is that why this video exists?
Jesus' death on the cross broke the old covenant God made with Israel, including their elect status, and gave that status to everyone who both believes in God, and repents. Jesus opened to door of salvation to all,who hearing his knock on the door of their hearts, respond in faith to his magnificent offer of divine life within. Jesus death on the cross was the greatest act of grace ever announced to man. What Jesus did on the cross was beneficial to all living, and those who have died.
Other excellent content aside, this is a dumb video. Perhaps it's tongue in cheek, but to lump Calvin, Spurgeon and others with Westboro Baptist nuts shows flocculent thinking. Or just unwise provocation.
It's as generous as linking Luther to Hitler.
Sadly, Luther linked himself to any Hitler to come, when he said that the Jews should be put to death. I hate it, too. Luther was a very unwise man, sometimes. I still love the nailing the theses thing, and believe the Biblical discovery, "the just shall live by faith". I hope better for Luther than I believe true of the power-mad, unrepentant murderer, Calvin.
no one ever responds honestly to all my brilliant arguments on the web-net :'(
Consider that you dodged a bullet. A bunch of bullets. A daily volley of bullets.
@AnHonestChristian Let me clarify the above statement: I mean to say that Paul never says that Pharaoh or Esau are eternally predestined to damnation.
What is interesting is how void of the doctrine they are mocking this is. This presents a straw man that the Armenians can bat around. However, it never truly engages the doctrine in a reasonable, rational or reasonable manner.
Amen,their preaching Universalism,everybody's saved.How does that show God's justice?Blessings Stephen
Stephen Cellucci
You were saying about straw mam arguments???
Stephen Cellucci They NEVER said that "everybody's saved." But everybody CAN BE saved. "Whosoever will, let him come..." Blessings
Lutherans aren't armenians. Not at all. And they aren't calvinists. You know why? Because the bible doesn't tell us to rationally answer the question "Why are some saved and not others?" It tells us to be quiet and listen to what God says - those who are damned are damned because of their rejection and those who are saved are saved only by Christ's work.
Many passages demonstrate this. Paul says "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." The two groups are both governed by "All" - so if you want to limit the "All" who are justified then you have to limit the "all" who sinned. So according to "logic" not everyone is a sinner.
Why would people in Armenia be concerned about Calvinism? Aren't most of them Eastern Orthodox?
@the13thof12 I don't understand your reply to the use of Spurgeon and Phelps ... both of them are Particular Baptists.
They’re still Calvinists though
@AnHonestChristian - It's all about God's grace. I'd have none of those things if it weren't for God's grace. God gave me the gifts of repentance & faith, & continuation therein. As the hymn says "My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus' blood and righteousness." The Scriptures declare that those who trust in Christ are saved.
Why did you put Spurgeon and Westboro together like that? 😬
This is all in :) wow
The strawman is neck deep in this one.
I mean, it's satire. He isn't going to take the actual arguments of the position to make fun of it, he is going to take the position and reduce it to the absurd to make fun of it. That;s how satire is done.
@@pipsdontlie3031 Except all his best videos here try to accurately (though humorously) portray the view they satire. Why is this one different?
oracleoftroy This is basically an accurate portrayal. It is made to be ridiculous for comedic effect but as I said that’s how his videos are typically done.
Arminian here. Good video, so much funny! That said, it isn't quite fair to bring in the Westboro group. They are hypercalvinists, but they are also a tiny fringe group who don't represent much anyone.
That last line is classic!
Just like the Westminster Confession ch.18 stumbles all over itself looking for infallible assurance while knowing the decree just may be otherwise.
"What about when Jesus Said 'you did not choose me, I choose you'"
What it originally said was "You did not choose hell because of your free choice"
Cutting that out was a group effort of the apostles to all get messages and mud baths.
Probably a better way to put it is that the producer knows that Jesus died to save him (since He died to save all of Adam's seed); but he does not know whether Christ's death will avail to deliver him or anyone else in particular from condemnation.
You know by faith that He has promised to save you, if you believe, and you are believing, putting your faith in Him, that it may be "clearly seen" by Him, that you are trusting Him to save you. You are doing it; He is crediting you, like Abraham, because you believed God. But it was "wrought in God", and you don't have anymore sense of pride about it, than the publican who beat his breast, and said "God be merciful to me!"
Martin Luther was definitely a pedestrian, not a minion I'm pretty sure ... Or was it the other way around?
wait a second, was monkeypox an actual disease back then?
We don't. We simply believe the Scriptures when it says that while we are saved by grace alone, Christ died for the world.
@AnHonestChristian - Thank you for speaking more clearly. If you'd do that more often...
If Christ desires to save ALL, then Christ will save all. He isn't helpless against the will of the fallen creature. If He DESIRES them to be saved He will give them the same faith that He MUST give to the other sinners, reveal the Father to them, etc., But the Father never GAVE the reprobate to the Son, for as He said ALL whom the Father has GIVEN me WILL come to Me, & I will raise them up on the Last Day.
@stegokitty "You meant evil against me, but God meant it for good" (Gen. 50:20) and "this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men" (Acts 2:23) refer to God's predestination/providence, not reprobation. Let me ask you this: Do you know Greek?
What do you believe that the death of Christ actually accomplished (if anything)?
The end was priceless😂
For "whosoever" shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. - Romans 10:13, KJV.. Also see Acts 2:21, John 3:15-16, 1 John 5:1, John 12:46...
It means exactly that. If one shall call upon the name of the Lord, he will be saved. It doesn't say who has the capacity to believe. Nor does it say anyone can believe.
@stegokitty 1) Where does the Scripture say that? And where does it say Pharaoh was "foreordained" to spend eternity in Hell? 2) You don't consistently carry out human responsibility in your doctrine because of your belief in double predestination. Here's the note on Rom. 9:22 in The Lutheran Study Bible (CPH, 2008), whose editors are qualified to comment on the original Greek: "prepared. Implies readiness for (as in 'ripe for') destruction, not irreversibly foreordained destruction."
@analogiest Uh, this channel is called TheLutheranWHAT now?
Incredible great great great
Entertaining straw man. In reality, the word "atonement" refers to a payment, a transaction of sorts. Though Christ's sacrifice is sufficient to pay for the sins of all people for all time, the payment (atonement) only takes place for those who believe (the elect). The others pay for their own sins in hell.
What Calvinists call a straw man, or a misrepresentation, is what the rest of us call "taking Calvinism to its logical conclusion."
funny stuff.
@stegokitty I realize God owes no condemned sinner His grace, and I agree that it's an act of this selfsame grace!
Smiley face. You should start using frowny ones.
My problem is that Arminianism just doesn't work when you accept the total sovereignty of Christ, no matter how hard you shove the two together.
Christ died for all, but only those whom He calls will be saved. All other men have the opportunity, but not the motive (such is the unforgivable sin in my estimation: rejecting the salvation Christ offers).
Also, don't equate hyper-Calvinists or WBC heretics to Spurgeon or Calvin (or Luther, because Luther believed in predestination too(?)). That's just inaccurate.
The Lutheran view of predestination is best summarized the the Formula of Concord.
@stegokitty 5:2? What book are you quoting? On the contrary, that's EXACTLY what you can prove from the context...not in the context of Luke 2, which has no relation to what I'm attempting to discuss with you!
The real question is not what John should write, but what did Jesus say?
@AnHonestChristian - Yep, this is true.
I guess I have some things to think about, eh?
Much love.
;-)
I'm certain about everything...except whether Jesus died for me. LOL!!!
If Christ truly died to pay the penalty for every person's sins then why do any go to hell?