I’m 47 now and watched this movie opening weekend as a kid in the theater. So many kids were crying and weeping when Optimus Prime died. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing at the time. It’s a classic of a movie because it pushed all boundaries ever imagined, but it sucked at the same time to see our heroes die.
Starscream: huh! Megatron: What is it starscream? Starscream: Megatron, I just realized our weapons aren't set to kill. Megatron: Wait what, no wonder we've been losing, let's set them to kill now. Starscream: First good idea you ever had. ....... Megatron will remember that
It only sunk in that they were all dead for real somewhere near the end of the movie. It was a slow, sinking realisation, like ‘Oh. They’re not bringing them back, are they?’ I literally couldn’t watch season three for MONTHS after the fact I was so distraught - it just felt wrong, that the show would continue when all the bots we knew and loved were dead. Loved it though! Such a good movie, and I really liked the new characters it introduced (blurr and hot rod especially)!
As someone who was a child and was there when this came out in theaters, is really fascinating that you appreciate it about the same way that I do. I still haven’t seen Transformers Animated.
9:05 "After 2 seasons the Decepticons finaly found the kill switches on their guns?" I always saw it as the Decepticons being at full power from a steady supply of Energon since they had gained complete control of Cybertron in the movie and the Autobots were on the ropes short on supplies and only controlling 3 small bases on Earth and the 2 moons of Cyberton.
I mean that’s a pretty good analysis of the situation. I just thinks it’s pretty funny that after they slapped each other around for so long in the cartoon, they finally started actually killing each other.
The 1986 movie works as a splendid standalone anime movie of the era, and still has more heart crammed into it's 87 minutes than the 12 hours or so of the live action films combined. Also Vince DiCola's music score was excellent.
I was old enough back in 1986 to understand that there was a form of character development for Hot Rod over the course of the movie and so i never hated Rodimus Prime. Also, I'd read the Marvel comics adaptation of the film first so i had a heads up regarding Optimus. That said, i was NOT prepared to see my beloved Wheeljack laid out dead on the big screen.
I must have watched this movie at least 100 times as a little kid in the early 90's. I still vaguely remember waiting for it to start on TV so my older brother could press record on the VCR. This was in Perth Australia, but it was before channel 10 (Channel 10 was only a few years old at the time, and didn't have reception where I lived) had the rights to the show. I'm fairly sure I have that recording on tape in the garage. I can still remember some of the adverts that played, even though it has been decades since I watched the tape after getting the DVD. Anyway, enough rambling. I just found your channel, good work. Also the Transformers movie sound track is on Spotify, and it kicks all kind of arse
I got into Transformers right after the original wave died down (via my older brother's hand-downs) and first saw the movie when I was 5 or 6. It was like the best thing I'd ever seen. I wasn't that upset about Optimus because I had already seen some of season 3 which had all different characters - so the movie just answered my questions. I was more upset about Prowl!
So I'm 4 minutes in and there are a couple of things I need to correct. Firstly, Transformers wasn't simply rebranded Diaclone. Yes everything with a cockpit, as well as Blitzwing and the Constructicons, was a Diaclone figure, however there was more than just Diaclone which comprised the original Transformers toyline. In addition to the Microchange toy line, which was not only every single device, but the Autobot Minicars, which actually transform into Pennyracers, you have Gunborg, which was licensed from a company called ToyCo, which was recoloured into Shockwave, as well as Mechabot-1 (which would be recoloured into Omega Supreme) into and the figure which would become Sky Lynx, which were licensed from ToyBox, who in turn commissoned TOMY to make them for them (hence why the Encore line was the first time Sky Lynx was released in Japan, after the TakaraTOMY merger). Additionally you had the Macross Valkyrie being recoloured into Jetfire, Oveleon Gazette and Mugen Callibur from Dorvack being recoloured into the Deluxe Autobots and the Betras toyline which were recoloured into the Deluxe Insections - all of which were licensed from Takatoku Toys. Where it got interesting for Takara and Japan was when Takatoku went bankrupt and was acquired by Bandai in 1984. It's also worth noting that by 1986, we start to see unused Diaclone designs being incoproated into Transformers. Metroplex and the 1986 combiner teams are an interesting example of this, as the scrapped Diaclone toyline called "Jizai Gattai (freely combine mkx.dk/Ep01.html). In fact, given that there was a prototype Arcee figure which was a retool of Hotrod, there's evidence to suggest that some of the 86 cast were designed as toys first and then altered for the cartoon later. Oh and fun fact, Shoji Kawamori of Macross fame, not only worked on the early Diaclone toys, but the Valkyrie/Veritech fighter from Macross/Robotech was created because Kawamori was winning a bet over whether it was possible to create a jet transformer without removable parts being needed. To that end, it's worth noting that Car Robot Number 02 Onebox Cherry Vanette (recoloured into Ironhide) and Car Robot Number 04 Onebox Cherry Vanette, Ambulance Type (rebranded into Ratchet), actually make perfect sense. The mold was actually the 5th "Transformers" mold ever produced by Takara, with the first 3 being the Powerdashers and the 4th being Car Robots Number 01 Countach-LP500S/Super Tuning (recoloured into Sunstreaker). At this point, the Diaclone line was very much still framed around the Dianaut figures first and foremost. In the case of the Vanette mecha, even though it only came with one Duanaut, it's actually designed to fit 3 3 of them. The pilot for the auxilliary powered suit, which is similar to the mecha from Avatar, sits in the pilot seat of the van. Meahwile the back half of the van splits off to become a tank, which seats one pilot and one gunner (standing) in the missile launcher turret. You can find an image gallery for it here: diaclone.net/orid/dia037/index.html It's only when they tried to shoehorn them into Transformers by doing foolish things by putting stickers on the driver's seat to somehow make the seats heads, that the designs start to come across as bizarre. Part of the problem is that the branding decision was made that the cars and trucks would be Autobots and the military weapons and devices would all be Decepticons. As a brief aside, Optimus and Megatron were chosen as the leaders because their toys were the same height. I bring this up, because if you look at Ironhide's colour scheme and face in the cartoon, it's clear that both were actually based on MC-18 Magneman (blog.kapowtoys.co.uk/mc17-and-mc18-trasformers-not-transformers/), which interestingly enough is a Microchange figure which was never released as a Transformers figure. Hopefully you found this informative.
The brutality, the death, the sense of loss, it was what gave this franchise its staying power. Watching characters die, utter swear words and mourn. It was like this was no longer for kids. This was 1986 - the year The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen proved comics weren’t just for kids. Transformers: The Movie allowed us to feel like it was ok to keep enjoying this stuff, even if middle school was starting next fall.
Your ending lines about finding your happiness in what you love overall in spite of others criticizing or downplaying it, is something I live by. I do acknowledge that criticisms and being able to acknowledge what you feel are short comings do make things better but I also believe that when it comes to anything just enjoying it and being happy it exist is good enough to enjoy it. And something we need no a days with so many things just making people sad or depressed irl and in groups. It just makes media more important for our own happiness and joy.
Saw this movie as a 6 yr old on opening night. I'm 43 yrs old now and still haven't recovered from that night lol. Still loved it though in the end. As an adult I can look back and appreciate the risk they took to murder beloved characters in such a brutal way. It was all to sell more merchandise obviously but it was still a bold move and it worked out in the end. I'll never grow too old for transformers. I'll love them til my dying breath.
Not only did they kill off optimus, but they made it worse by playing with our heart strings. They brought him back in the third season as a zombie that was a shell of who he once was. He eventually regained control of who he once was and sacrificed himself by launching the ship carrying the corpses of all the old autobots Into an astoroid. Sure they brought him back in the 4th season but we didn’t know that was going to happen so it was just rubbing salt into the wound.
I always found it funny how in the cartoon, these global level threats would actually be killing MILLIONS yet the Decepticons are allowed to run away and try again next time. Also 80s had mandates where characters couldn't die onscreen, even when characters on both sides should've died. Movie went balls to the walls. Movie was a fun ride, even if it's an extravagant toy commercial.
I got so use to seeing parachutes and people jumping out of vehicles as they exploded in GI Joe that when Robotech (Macross) came to the states in the 80s and appeared on television it took me a few minutes to realize there weren't any parachutes or escape pods popping out before the explosions. It's weird at 11 when you realize several minutes later that Rick Hunter's best friend actually dies and that some of the people living in the remains of Macross City brought inside the SDF 1 were killed the first time the ship transforms. That was the first instance in which I learned that the assumed maturity levels of kids in Japan were different from the assumed maturity levels of kids in the US.
Jesus I had never known the weight of depression until the credits started to roll over Unicron's orbiting head until that day. I was clinging to the hope and was almost sure all would be amended by the end. I don't think I would have minded even all of that out of nowhere death and brutality if we still all knew they and especially Optimus were planned to come back somehow, at that point. And I know he did, but only by a forcible devastated outcry, and thank Primus for that!
My childhood perspective of this movie is kind of odd... this was my first exposure to transformers. As a young kid who already loved robots and vehicles and warfare, this movie BLEW MY MIND. It was the most incredible work of fiction I'd ever seen, and it permanently etched itself into my consciousness. Afterwards, I'd catch reruns of the old '80s show, as well as newer stuff like Beast Wars and Armada on TV, and they would feel kind of... lame in comparison. Even as a kid it didn't feel right that the robots almost never actually died in what was supposed to be a war. Yeah, I'm older now, I know the movie is pretty goofy as well, and pretty cynical in why it exists. But I still want more of it, damnit! I don't care that it's impossible
Canning the movie and starting season 3 with nearly a complete new cast of characters and no mention of what happened to the previous characters would’ve been a terrible idea and would’ve caused mass confusion among fans.
For me, a German UK reader, it was somehow completely different. In the comics, robots were constantly dying. And the film was part of the continuity. It was only afterwards that I saw the series (apart from 1-2 episodes in shops...)
"Gloriously Butal!" Aptly put, my fiend, hats off to you. Interesting story: I remember being close to my 6th bithday when this came out. MY dad had just dropped off my mom, my sister and a few of her friends to see the "My Little Pony Moive." I'm in the back seet, my dad turns to me and asks: "Did you want to see this Transformers movie? I said "NO. Lets go to the Dinosaur museum." As a young child this did NOT grab me. I would discover it in mid-high school in the mid 90s as a teeneager, appreciating the Gloious Brutality. Those four deaths at the beginning actually look like GORE. Shame the (Ahem) "live action" movies fell short in just about every regard. Also, I presently HIGHLY APPRECIATE the old Marvel UK TF stories from back then. HEADY!!!! I'd love to see someone capture Andy Wildman's art style in animation. Also Gloriously brutal, in his battle damage details
@@BraveBladeProductions First, Prime. Then Ultra Magnus. And now, YOU. It's a pity you Autobots die so EASILY, or I might have a sense of satisfaction by now!
I too adore this film. Its my all time favourite movie. Whilst the death of optimus prime maybe controversial but for me it cemented his legendary status.
Thank you for this. What an excellent testament this has been to all of the confused and hard to process thoughts and emotions of my 11 year old jarred, gutted but awe inspired self.
My introduction was Beast Wars; Hasbro still didn’t learn their lesson. By the end of season 1, Megatron rigged Optimus Primal’s pod to blow (he couldn’t escape) and killed, only to be resurrected in season 2 with an entirely new body (just to sell new toys of him).
@@BraveBladeProductions Well, after seeing the first five Michael Bay films in theaters since when I was 8 years old back in 2007, I figured it was time to see the very first Transformers film in theaters. And I was like "Holy shit! No wonder this was a big deal to 80's kids!".
I was maybe 7 when I first saw this movie and that was right when the Bay movies came out so actually this movie didn’t really seem that violent in comparison. But now looking back I’m kind of surprised kid me didn’t even raise an eyebrow… probably because catchy 80’s music distracted me
I'm old, so original transformers are my transformers. I still cry when I see the scene of Optimus Prime dies. I only saw the first michael Transformers movie. I thought those military people were going to turn in Gi joes. Missed opportunity.
"It's funny watching Optimus slowly become a psychotic war criminal with each movie" Story time. My friend, knowing I liked Transformers, bought me the bluray for Age of Extinction as a present. Being a big dinobots fan, this should have been top tier for me. I have seen it ONCE. I own it, and the other 4 Bayverse movies, plus Bumblebee on Vudu (I think it's fandango nkw, but fuck it, Vudu) because I bought a box set at Walmart, and walmart just...made a Vudu account for me and put digital copies of movies I owned there. Anyway, I have not rewatched 4, nor have I gotten around to ever seeing 5 for one reason: Optimus. Forgive me if my sequence of evebts is off, I've seen it once when it was new...but when Optimus first transforms he basically goes into homicide mode and nearly kills a person on sight. I can accept a LOT of things...Transformers has a lot of variations and alternate universes. What I can't accept is a non-evil Optimus who would immediately go straight to murder. That took me out of the movie from the start, and it never got me back. This is a 'man' who has fought Megatron for millions of years and never killed him...because part of him hoped there was another way. And a big moment in nearly every Transformers continuity is Prime sadly reaching the point where he realizes Megatron HAS to die. My favorite being in Prime...where he nearly kills Raf with a Dark Energon infection, and Prime decides that, former friend or not, Megatron has to die. Circumstances prevent it for the rest of the show, but he makes a go of it. But yeah, that's the limit of my suspension of disbelief. I can accept evil alternate universe versions of characters: Injustice Superman, Shattered Mirror Optimus, etc. But Optimus Prime is one of those characters that embodies the definition of 'Good guy' in my head. Fucking with that destroys my ability to play along.
@@BraveBladeProductions I've only read up to issue #9, but I have loved everything I've read so far. The violence and brutality is there, but not without purpose. It serves the story, while looking awesome at the same time.
Transformers the movie was the end of Transformers as a kid for me. It was also the end of my childhood. By killing Optimus Prime they killed my childhood. Transformers was never the same after that.
If Hasbro had only introduced newer versions of the old characters, like they do today! The entire idea was bad. Offing so many of the older characters. It's mindblowing. But yeah cartoons the attachments characters created and the entire toy market behind it were relatively new. A lot of lessons were learned. And in the GI Joe line they learned from that mistake.
Ultra Magnus wasn't a new toy - he was a diaclone toy that hadn't been released in the west. He was just Prime with a trailer that became super armour.
Killing off Optimus Prime is a cautionary tale: Take care of your beloved fictional characters well. While there are benefits in killing Prime in terms of story telling, the reality is that Hasbro got rid of him just to make way to sell new toys (I feel like Dinobot’s death in Beast Wars was handled a bit better imo). Imagine if Lucasfilm made a Star Wars sequel Trilogy and carelessly got rid of the old cast just to make way for new characters we barely know or care about. Oh wait…
Yeah, I agree, Hot Rod Sucks. I will admit a lot of my attitude towards him comes from my preference towards Ultra Magnus(And yeah, they dropped the ball, blowing him up like that, and spouting lines like " I can't deal with that now!"
I remember seeing kids crying in the movie's as Optimus died & when ultra Magnus was blown apart & put back together & kids yelling go save Optimus bring him back 😂😂😂
@@nightnine9128 Even the continuity side of things is a mess. For example at least 2 of those deaths aren't canon in the Japanese continuity. Prowl is around in Headmasters, while Wheeljack shows up in 4 episodes of Victory.
Saw it the night it came out at 3 years old. Hot Rod and Springer were my new favorites. The Decepticons were brutal on a new level. Optimus Prime made everyone cheer when he showed up to face Megatron and he also made every kid cry like they lost their dad. It was unreal. Hot Rod was the Autobot's last hope in their darkest hour.
Wow, you share my sentiment more than any other reviewer I've seen on the youtubes. (Except for the bay-former films or what I like to affectionately call 'The Trashformers - garbage in disguise.' ) The effort they put into this movie is undeniable; very hard to erase it from your head-canon if you're inclined to do so cuz you can't deal with some part of it. I totally get it. They killed Optimus. After learning the show & the film were nothing more than advertisements I had to find a way to accept the movie because of it's exceptional quality in art, music, etc - & also because....it was TF's! Certain flaws in the film's production helped me find a way around the commercialism. Head-canon. I can accept Optimus bitin' it, but maybe not some of the others. The 'Beast Wars' series introduced the idea of sparks, which are their souls basically, & Optimus greying-out is the indicator he's gone but not before he says he'll become one with The Matrix. His essence is transferred, so he dies. Greys-out. Now I take this as a good sign for the others, except for Starscream, who do not lose their color. Brawn, retains his color, Ratchet, Windcharger, Wheeljack all retain their color. They're not dead. Ironhide...ok ...he uhm...he takes a fully powered shot to the face after four penetrating hits to the body. :-( Not even that amazingly armored skin of his could hold up against that. Even Prowl greys-out & is seen again with all his color. Not dead - Stasis lock. Again, I'm arguing across space & time, with the powers that be, because their motives were shitty. Und hence I'm giving credit to a species which, has been doing this for ages, is so long-lived for more & better reasons than being perpetually lucky, by chance, or just perpetually bad aim for millennia upon millennia. As for Optimus....I think they blew it big time in coming up with a solution to all the hate mail. The answer is in the movie - twice! & I mentioned it here too. Think SW - "Yoda will always be with you." "Ben..!" (And oh boy I can't wait for a certain 3rd party toy company to come out with their version of Optimus in Masterpiece scale - he looks so damn good. But Ultra Magnus first in Dec. 2024.) :D
IDW is a continuity mess as of a few years into it, at fundamental universe-building levels. Initially the transformers were set up as being "gaiasexual" (ie the planet reproduced sterile drones - either being "forged" or helped along with being "constructed cold"). then down the track, because of "the message", we get romantic and pseudo-sexual relationships between this version of the Transformers, which in terms of the lore that had been established for this reality, makes as much sense as people having romantic relationships with their pet guinea pigs. The truly asinine part was that they were almost there when they explored functionalism, but then failed to grasp what was right in front of them - namely that functionalism-based interpersonal relationships, pair-bonding and bigotry, was actually the means by which you explore those types of themes surrounding the human condition, in a manner which actually holds up to scrutiny. Honesty, some writers should stay in their own lanes and those lanes are limited to writing for societies where the beings all have an approximation of human biology, reproduction and interpersonal relationships.
I agree I saw it in the theater when it came out and I loved it. It reminded me tonally of The Empire Strikes Back. ( I did tear up when Prime died though. )
You can't kill a head Legacy character like Optimus Prime because that's like killing the franchise. Look at what happened to the Marvel Cinematic Universe after Iron Man has died. Iron Man was the anchor of that series and now he's gone.
Cześć 🖖😎 Z racji całej swojej niechęci do tego 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 HotRoda, postaram się powiedzieć, za co szanuję ewentualnie HotRoda.. Szanuję go za to, że ma odwagę godną podziwu i jaja ze stali jak na takiego żółtodzioba.. Przecież rzucił się z gołymi łapami debil na Megatrona.. MEGATRONA !..👀 Jednego z największych i najsilniejszych Twardzieli w kosmosie.. ("Nobody summons Megatron!"😉) Akurat tą akcją finalnie przyczynił się do śmierci Optimusa Prime'a moim zdaniem. To był pojedynek na śmierć i życie.. jeden na jeden.. Ale takich przykładów jest pełno w tym filmie (kocham ten film, oglądałem go ponad 3000 razy😉🤪), chociażby gdy HotRod otworzył ogień do promu kosmicznego Autobotów od razu jak odkrył, że to Deceptikony😉 bez chwili zawachania czy strachu...👍 Ciekawostka: Według skryptu scenariusza, HotRod otwierając ogień do Deceptikonów miał powiedzieć "This is for IRONHIDE. As so's this!"👍 Ps. gdy jako ośmioletni fan Optimusa pierwszy raz oglądałem Transformery na VHS, tak się popłakałem jak Optimus Prime umarł, że z niedowierzaniem obejrzałem go łącznie 4 razy pod rząd cały czas płacząc..🖖😎
If you think the movie is brutal you might want to check out the UK comics, they make the movie look like the cartoon in comparison, also is Cosmos, not Cosmo.
Prime was more than a autobot leader, he was our leader. I remember being in the sixth grade of that year going back to school and hearing prime died felt like a tamily member passing away. I watched the movie on vhs over a 100 times because that was the last time we saw prime as our leader at his best. No one liked rodimus prime back then, even the toy was ugly. We liked ultra magnus as leader.
Boomers killed Optimus Prime because, for them, the character was simply intellectual property taking up space on store shelves. For Gen Xers, this is yet another example of Boomers being completely flippant and materialistic about their own creations, their own children, and the world in general.
I was that boy...but it wasn't my bedroom for two weeks...in was the bathroom for 2 hours because I had the most diabolical diarrhea from the movie theater food.
And this is why the psycho warlord is not an acceptable Optimus. It´s the same as making a nazi Captain America or a peaceful Wolverine. That´s just not who he is.
25:10 - Eric Idle was Wreck-Gar, not Springer. Neil Ross voiced Springer, in addition to Bonecrusher and Hook
Damn, my bad. Thanks for the catch dude.
Neil Ross also voiced Slag (I'm from the UK, and that will always be his name to me)
He went onto voice Rodimus in season 3.
@@darthdmcI'm not from the UK but I'm going to keep calling him Slag anyway.
@@agent_meister477 Dick Gautier played Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime in Series 3 and 4
I’m 47 now and watched this movie opening weekend as a kid in the theater. So many kids were crying and weeping when Optimus Prime died. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing at the time. It’s a classic of a movie because it pushed all boundaries ever imagined, but it sucked at the same time to see our heroes die.
Man that’s brutal, I can’t imagine being in that situation.
all i can say is bah weep gra na weep nini bong
Starscream: huh!
Megatron: What is it starscream?
Starscream: Megatron, I just realized our weapons aren't set to kill.
Megatron: Wait what, no wonder we've been losing, let's set them to kill now.
Starscream: First good idea you ever had.
.......
Megatron will remember that
The Autobots clearly must not have kill switches on their weapons lol.
It only sunk in that they were all dead for real somewhere near the end of the movie. It was a slow, sinking realisation, like ‘Oh. They’re not bringing them back, are they?’ I literally couldn’t watch season three for MONTHS after the fact I was so distraught - it just felt wrong, that the show would continue when all the bots we knew and loved were dead. Loved it though! Such a good movie, and I really liked the new characters it introduced (blurr and hot rod especially)!
Hot Rod is one of my personal favourites, I love the guy.
As someone who was a child and was there when this came out in theaters, is really fascinating that you appreciate it about the same way that I do.
I still haven’t seen Transformers Animated.
Guess I watched it when I was still young enough for it to have a profound impact on me.
9:05 "After 2 seasons the Decepticons finaly found the kill switches on their guns?" I always saw it as the Decepticons being at full power from a steady supply of Energon since they had gained complete control of Cybertron in the movie and the Autobots were on the ropes short on supplies and only controlling 3 small bases on Earth and the 2 moons of Cyberton.
I mean that’s a pretty good analysis of the situation. I just thinks it’s pretty funny that after they slapped each other around for so long in the cartoon, they finally started actually killing each other.
The 1986 movie works as a splendid standalone anime movie of the era, and still has more heart crammed into it's 87 minutes than the 12 hours or so of the live action films combined. Also Vince DiCola's music score was excellent.
It’s a great standalone piece you’re right.
This movie is absolutely gorgeous, in every way possible.
It is very well animated.
I was old enough back in 1986 to understand that there was a form of character development for Hot Rod over the course of the movie and so i never hated Rodimus Prime. Also, I'd read the Marvel comics adaptation of the film first so i had a heads up regarding Optimus. That said, i was NOT prepared to see my beloved Wheeljack laid out dead on the big screen.
About the easy kills.
I suppose the line Optimus delivers about being "low on energon" explains their weakness.
Absolutley destroyed.
I must have watched this movie at least 100 times as a little kid in the early 90's. I still vaguely remember waiting for it to start on TV so my older brother could press record on the VCR. This was in Perth Australia, but it was before channel 10 (Channel 10 was only a few years old at the time, and didn't have reception where I lived) had the rights to the show. I'm fairly sure I have that recording on tape in the garage. I can still remember some of the adverts that played, even though it has been decades since I watched the tape after getting the DVD. Anyway, enough rambling. I just found your channel, good work. Also the Transformers movie sound track is on Spotify, and it kicks all kind of arse
I have that soundtrack on repeat 24/7. Instruments of Destruction goes hard.
I got into Transformers right after the original wave died down (via my older brother's hand-downs) and first saw the movie when I was 5 or 6. It was like the best thing I'd ever seen. I wasn't that upset about Optimus because I had already seen some of season 3 which had all different characters - so the movie just answered my questions. I was more upset about Prowl!
Prowl's death was unnecessarily brutal, had me shook.
So I'm 4 minutes in and there are a couple of things I need to correct. Firstly, Transformers wasn't simply rebranded Diaclone. Yes everything with a cockpit, as well as Blitzwing and the Constructicons, was a Diaclone figure, however there was more than just Diaclone which comprised the original Transformers toyline. In addition to the Microchange toy line, which was not only every single device, but the Autobot Minicars, which actually transform into Pennyracers, you have Gunborg, which was licensed from a company called ToyCo, which was recoloured into Shockwave, as well as Mechabot-1 (which would be recoloured into Omega Supreme) into and the figure which would become Sky Lynx, which were licensed from ToyBox, who in turn commissoned TOMY to make them for them (hence why the Encore line was the first time Sky Lynx was released in Japan, after the TakaraTOMY merger). Additionally you had the Macross Valkyrie being recoloured into Jetfire, Oveleon Gazette and Mugen Callibur from Dorvack being recoloured into the Deluxe Autobots and the Betras toyline which were recoloured into the Deluxe Insections - all of which were licensed from Takatoku Toys. Where it got interesting for Takara and Japan was when Takatoku went bankrupt and was acquired by Bandai in 1984.
It's also worth noting that by 1986, we start to see unused Diaclone designs being incoproated into Transformers. Metroplex and the 1986 combiner teams are an interesting example of this, as the scrapped Diaclone toyline called "Jizai Gattai (freely combine mkx.dk/Ep01.html). In fact, given that there was a prototype Arcee figure which was a retool of Hotrod, there's evidence to suggest that some of the 86 cast were designed as toys first and then altered for the cartoon later.
Oh and fun fact, Shoji Kawamori of Macross fame, not only worked on the early Diaclone toys, but the Valkyrie/Veritech fighter from Macross/Robotech was created because Kawamori was winning a bet over whether it was possible to create a jet transformer without removable parts being needed.
To that end, it's worth noting that Car Robot Number 02 Onebox Cherry Vanette (recoloured into Ironhide) and Car Robot Number 04 Onebox Cherry Vanette, Ambulance Type (rebranded into Ratchet), actually make perfect sense. The mold was actually the 5th "Transformers" mold ever produced by Takara, with the first 3 being the Powerdashers and the 4th being Car Robots Number 01 Countach-LP500S/Super Tuning (recoloured into Sunstreaker). At this point, the Diaclone line was very much still framed around the Dianaut figures first and foremost. In the case of the Vanette mecha, even though it only came with one Duanaut, it's actually designed to fit 3 3 of them. The pilot for the auxilliary powered suit, which is similar to the mecha from Avatar, sits in the pilot seat of the van. Meahwile the back half of the van splits off to become a tank, which seats one pilot and one gunner (standing) in the missile launcher turret. You can find an image gallery for it here: diaclone.net/orid/dia037/index.html
It's only when they tried to shoehorn them into Transformers by doing foolish things by putting stickers on the driver's seat to somehow make the seats heads, that the designs start to come across as bizarre. Part of the problem is that the branding decision was made that the cars and trucks would be Autobots and the military weapons and devices would all be Decepticons. As a brief aside, Optimus and Megatron were chosen as the leaders because their toys were the same height.
I bring this up, because if you look at Ironhide's colour scheme and face in the cartoon, it's clear that both were actually based on MC-18 Magneman (blog.kapowtoys.co.uk/mc17-and-mc18-trasformers-not-transformers/), which interestingly enough is a Microchange figure which was never released as a Transformers figure.
Hopefully you found this informative.
The brutality, the death, the sense of loss, it was what gave this franchise its staying power. Watching characters die, utter swear words and mourn. It was like this was no longer for kids. This was 1986 - the year The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen proved comics weren’t just for kids.
Transformers: The Movie allowed us to feel like it was ok to keep enjoying this stuff, even if middle school was starting next fall.
Good way of looking at it.
I’m 45 and I feel the same joy even THINKING about watching this movie. I love knowing I’m not the only one…
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You’re definitely not the only one brother.
Your ending lines about finding your happiness in what you love overall in spite of others criticizing or downplaying it, is something I live by. I do acknowledge that criticisms and being able to acknowledge what you feel are short comings do make things better but I also believe that when it comes to anything just enjoying it and being happy it exist is good enough to enjoy it. And something we need no a days with so many things just making people sad or depressed irl and in groups. It just makes media more important for our own happiness and joy.
Only selfish people try to ruin things for others.
Saw this movie as a 6 yr old on opening night. I'm 43 yrs old now and still haven't recovered from that night lol. Still loved it though in the end. As an adult I can look back and appreciate the risk they took to murder beloved characters in such a brutal way. It was all to sell more merchandise obviously but it was still a bold move and it worked out in the end. I'll never grow too old for transformers. I'll love them til my dying breath.
It might have traumatised children, but the mature edge makes it super enjoyable to watch as an adult.
I like this movie a lot, quality of animation, badass unicron, music, pure nostalgia
It’s simply the best.
Not only did they kill off optimus, but they made it worse by playing with our heart strings. They brought him back in the third season as a zombie that was a shell of who he once was. He eventually regained control of who he once was and sacrificed himself by launching the ship carrying the corpses of all the old autobots Into an astoroid. Sure they brought him back in the 4th season but we didn’t know that was going to happen so it was just rubbing salt into the wound.
Backlash was so bad that they had to pull him out of his grave.
@@BraveBladeProductionsfun fact: The japanese sequel to G1 “Transformers: The Headmasters” kills Optimus AGAIN in the first episode of the show.
The problem was that he was killed then they retcon that to bring him back again for real with the Hate Plague episode.
Killing your childhood favourites and traumatising you since 1986.
Yep.
Great video and wonderfully written; I knew you had potential lad.
I have an urge to listen to NRG now.
I always found it funny how in the cartoon, these global level threats would actually be killing MILLIONS yet the Decepticons are allowed to run away and try again next time. Also 80s had mandates where characters couldn't die onscreen, even when characters on both sides should've died. Movie went balls to the walls. Movie was a fun ride, even if it's an extravagant toy commercial.
The best toy commercial I’ve ever seen.
I got so use to seeing parachutes and people jumping out of vehicles as they exploded in GI Joe that when Robotech (Macross) came to the states in the 80s and appeared on television it took me a few minutes to realize there weren't any parachutes or escape pods popping out before the explosions. It's weird at 11 when you realize several minutes later that Rick Hunter's best friend actually dies and that some of the people living in the remains of Macross City brought inside the SDF 1 were killed the first time the ship transforms. That was the first instance in which I learned that the assumed maturity levels of kids in Japan were different from the assumed maturity levels of kids in the US.
It’s a kid show lol now characters can’t have guns, nor can they act like adult males. Gotta brain wash the kids to be mindless LlBS
Jesus I had never known the weight of depression until the credits started to roll over Unicron's orbiting head until that day. I was clinging to the hope and was almost sure all would be amended by the end. I don't think I would have minded even all of that out of nowhere death and brutality if we still all knew they and especially Optimus were planned to come back somehow, at that point. And I know he did, but only by a forcible devastated outcry, and thank Primus for that!
This movie is the symbol and embodiment of what it meant to be Gen X. We were built different and what didn't kill us made stranger
Little bit of tough love never hurt anybody.
@@BraveBladeProductions it's how we grew up , we raised ourselves parents locked us out or weren't home our toys were dangerous
The transformers is one of the best cartoons of the 80s. Because of this movie. Next to GI Joe.
My childhood perspective of this movie is kind of odd... this was my first exposure to transformers. As a young kid who already loved robots and vehicles and warfare, this movie BLEW MY MIND. It was the most incredible work of fiction I'd ever seen, and it permanently etched itself into my consciousness. Afterwards, I'd catch reruns of the old '80s show, as well as newer stuff like Beast Wars and Armada on TV, and they would feel kind of... lame in comparison. Even as a kid it didn't feel right that the robots almost never actually died in what was supposed to be a war.
Yeah, I'm older now, I know the movie is pretty goofy as well, and pretty cynical in why it exists. But I still want more of it, damnit! I don't care that it's impossible
It’s a good time regardless.
Great video it's in my top 25 best movies ever still.
This movie is perfect.
It just is .
Pure perfection.
Canning the movie and starting season 3 with nearly a complete new cast of characters and no mention of what happened to the previous characters would’ve been a terrible idea and would’ve caused mass confusion among fans.
Very true.
For me, a German UK reader, it was somehow completely different. In the comics, robots were constantly dying. And the film was part of the continuity. It was only afterwards that I saw the series (apart from 1-2 episodes in shops...)
lol.
"Gloriously Butal!" Aptly put, my fiend, hats off to you. Interesting story: I remember being close to my 6th bithday when this came out. MY dad had just dropped off my mom, my sister and a few of her friends to see the "My Little Pony Moive." I'm in the back seet, my dad turns to me and asks: "Did you want to see this Transformers movie? I said "NO. Lets go to the Dinosaur museum." As a young child this did NOT grab me. I would discover it in mid-high school in the mid 90s as a teeneager, appreciating the Gloious Brutality. Those four deaths at the beginning actually look like GORE. Shame the (Ahem) "live action" movies fell short in just about every regard.
Also, I presently HIGHLY APPRECIATE the old Marvel UK TF stories from back then. HEADY!!!! I'd love to see someone capture Andy Wildman's art style in animation. Also Gloriously brutal, in his battle damage details
Bit of Heavy Metal Action is always good for the soul.
I would have waited an eternity for this!
It's over Prime!
@@BraveBladeProductions NEVER!
@@BraveBladeProductions First, Prime. Then Ultra Magnus. And now, YOU. It's a pity you Autobots die so EASILY, or I might have a sense of satisfaction by now!
I too adore this film. Its my all time favourite movie. Whilst the death of optimus prime maybe controversial but for me it cemented his legendary status.
Turned him into a Martyr.
Thank you for this. What an excellent testament this has been to all of the confused and hard to process thoughts and emotions of my 11 year old jarred, gutted but awe inspired self.
Glad you enjoyed mate.
My introduction was Beast Wars; Hasbro still didn’t learn their lesson. By the end of season 1, Megatron rigged Optimus Primal’s pod to blow (he couldn’t escape) and killed, only to be resurrected in season 2 with an entirely new body (just to sell new toys of him).
Hasbro will do what Hasbro will do.
It's a great movie. Seeing this in theaters thanks to Fathom Events was incredible.
Consider me jealous.
@@BraveBladeProductions Well, after seeing the first five Michael Bay films in theaters since when I was 8 years old back in 2007, I figured it was time to see the very first Transformers film in theaters. And I was like "Holy shit! No wonder this was a big deal to 80's kids!".
I was maybe 7 when I first saw this movie and that was right when the Bay movies came out so actually this movie didn’t really seem that violent in comparison. But now looking back I’m kind of surprised kid me didn’t even raise an eyebrow… probably because catchy 80’s music distracted me
I loved the video & rodimus primal channel is awesome
Thank you for the support!
For a PG rated cartoon it was very dark
It got pretty violent at times for a kids movie for sure.
Kids back then were less fragile.
Back then, PG was EARNED. Nowadays, any non-PG-13 or R movie is PG. they’ve basically given up on G at this point.
Awesome Movie The Best Transformer Movie 🎬 🎞 🍿
For sure!
very good video,...really deserves more views,and last 10 minutes really resonate.
Thank you.
I'm old, so original transformers are my transformers. I still cry when I see the scene of Optimus Prime dies.
I only saw the first michael Transformers movie. I thought those military people were going to turn in Gi joes. Missed opportunity.
The OG is a classic.
Megatron never walked again after Prime's last hit and that fall.
Damn right.
"It's funny watching Optimus slowly become a psychotic war criminal with each movie" Story time. My friend, knowing I liked Transformers, bought me the bluray for Age of Extinction as a present. Being a big dinobots fan, this should have been top tier for me. I have seen it ONCE. I own it, and the other 4 Bayverse movies, plus Bumblebee on Vudu (I think it's fandango nkw, but fuck it, Vudu) because I bought a box set at Walmart, and walmart just...made a Vudu account for me and put digital copies of movies I owned there. Anyway, I have not rewatched 4, nor have I gotten around to ever seeing 5 for one reason: Optimus. Forgive me if my sequence of evebts is off, I've seen it once when it was new...but when Optimus first transforms he basically goes into homicide mode and nearly kills a person on sight. I can accept a LOT of things...Transformers has a lot of variations and alternate universes. What I can't accept is a non-evil Optimus who would immediately go straight to murder. That took me out of the movie from the start, and it never got me back. This is a 'man' who has fought Megatron for millions of years and never killed him...because part of him hoped there was another way. And a big moment in nearly every Transformers continuity is Prime sadly reaching the point where he realizes Megatron HAS to die. My favorite being in Prime...where he nearly kills Raf with a Dark Energon infection, and Prime decides that, former friend or not, Megatron has to die. Circumstances prevent it for the rest of the show, but he makes a go of it.
But yeah, that's the limit of my suspension of disbelief. I can accept evil alternate universe versions of characters: Injustice Superman, Shattered Mirror Optimus, etc. But Optimus Prime is one of those characters that embodies the definition of 'Good guy' in my head. Fucking with that destroys my ability to play along.
For me as soon as he said "Give me your face" it was all over.
Megatron merked Prime, Iron Hide and 3 or 4 others in the first 20 or 30 minutes! ITS OVER PRIME!
Megatron got that dawg in him.
This Transformers movie is LIGHTYEARS better than ANY Transformers movie by Michael Bay.
Yessir.
@BraveBladeProductions yrh thing rith micy bay trwnstomers mkv hd fe thi gs that prople .liked Megan fox th music by lnkin park Ann few other things
The newest comics capture the spirit of this movie so well in my opinion
I need to get around to reading those.
@@BraveBladeProductions I've only read up to issue #9, but I have loved everything I've read so far. The violence and brutality is there, but not without purpose. It serves the story, while looking awesome at the same time.
@@BraveBladeProductionsyeah the new comic are really really good
Skybound made Soundwave downright terrifying.
"You Kicked My Ravage."
I'm 43 and even watching this review of optimus death causes me to mist up...
R.I.P
Transformers the movie was the end of Transformers as a kid for me. It was also the end of my childhood. By killing Optimus Prime they killed my childhood. Transformers was never the same after that.
If Hasbro had only introduced newer versions of the old characters, like they do today! The entire idea was bad. Offing so many of the older characters. It's mindblowing. But yeah cartoons the attachments characters created and the entire toy market behind it were relatively new. A lot of lessons were learned. And in the GI Joe line they learned from that mistake.
Hey, at least it made for a good movie.
If you grew up reading the marvel comic, this wasn’t anything lol😅. I was so used to my bots dying I came away from this saying “that rocked!”.
Heavy Metal!
Ultra Magnus wasn't a new toy - he was a diaclone toy that hadn't been released in the west. He was just Prime with a trailer that became super armour.
Powered Convoy.
Let’s go newer transformers video
Killing off Optimus Prime is a cautionary tale: Take care of your beloved fictional characters well. While there are benefits in killing Prime in terms of story telling, the reality is that Hasbro got rid of him just to make way to sell new toys (I feel like Dinobot’s death in Beast Wars was handled a bit better imo). Imagine if Lucasfilm made a Star Wars sequel Trilogy and carelessly got rid of the old cast just to make way for new characters we barely know or care about. Oh wait…
Yeah no one would ever repeat that mistake.
Yeah, I agree, Hot Rod Sucks. I will admit a lot of my attitude towards him comes from my preference towards Ultra Magnus(And yeah, they dropped the ball, blowing him up like that, and spouting lines like " I can't deal with that now!"
Ultra Magnus was a bit of a hack if I'm being totally honest.
I remember seeing kids crying in the movie's as Optimus died & when ultra Magnus was blown apart & put back together & kids yelling go save Optimus bring him back 😂😂😂
lol.
Ya the opening was brutal but. It had a glorious sound track 😊😊
Indeed.
I want the producer of Transformers The Movie arrested for the murder of my favorite Transformer Autobot PROWL
Justice for Prowl!
I wonder what happened to hound and sunstreaker who arrived with Optimus and the dinobots on their shuttle.
They saw how badly they were losing, got back in the shuttle and disappeared forever.
@@BraveBladeProductions makes sense, I don't think you see them in season 3 or four.
@@nightnine9128 Even the continuity side of things is a mess. For example at least 2 of those deaths aren't canon in the Japanese continuity. Prowl is around in Headmasters, while Wheeljack shows up in 4 episodes of Victory.
Saw it the night it came out at 3 years old. Hot Rod and Springer were my new favorites. The Decepticons were brutal on a new level. Optimus Prime made everyone cheer when he showed up to face Megatron and he also made every kid cry like they lost their dad. It was unreal. Hot Rod was the Autobot's last hope in their darkest hour.
Brilliant stuff.
@@BraveBladeProductions And for the record no single Autobot caught it half as bad as Ironhide
Wow, you share my sentiment more than any other reviewer I've seen on the youtubes. (Except for the bay-former films or what I like to affectionately call 'The Trashformers - garbage in disguise.' )
The effort they put into this movie is undeniable; very hard to erase it from your head-canon if you're inclined to do so cuz you can't deal with some part of it. I totally get it. They killed Optimus.
After learning the show & the film were nothing more than advertisements I had to find a way to accept the movie because of it's exceptional quality in art, music, etc - & also because....it was TF's! Certain flaws in the film's production helped me find a way around the commercialism. Head-canon.
I can accept Optimus bitin' it, but maybe not some of the others. The 'Beast Wars' series introduced the idea of sparks, which are their souls basically, & Optimus greying-out is the indicator he's gone but not before he says he'll become one with The Matrix. His essence is transferred, so he dies. Greys-out.
Now I take this as a good sign for the others, except for Starscream, who do not lose their color. Brawn, retains his color, Ratchet, Windcharger, Wheeljack all retain their color. They're not dead. Ironhide...ok ...he uhm...he takes a fully powered shot to the face after four penetrating hits to the body. :-( Not even that amazingly armored skin of his could hold up against that.
Even Prowl greys-out & is seen again with all his color.
Not dead - Stasis lock.
Again, I'm arguing across space & time, with the powers that be, because their motives were shitty. Und hence I'm giving credit to a species which, has been doing this for ages, is so long-lived for more & better reasons than being perpetually lucky, by chance, or just perpetually bad aim for millennia upon millennia.
As for Optimus....I think they blew it big time in coming up with a solution to all the hate mail. The answer is in the movie - twice! & I mentioned it here too.
Think SW - "Yoda will always be with you." "Ben..!"
(And oh boy I can't wait for a certain 3rd party toy company to come out with their version of Optimus in Masterpiece scale - he looks so damn good. But Ultra Magnus first in Dec. 2024.) :D
It's not perfect, but then again what is?
Man, that guy laughing at 31:25 was so obnoxious
Rich Evans Ladies and Gentlemen.
you should do a review on the IDW Transformers comics
That’s a rabbit hole that I’m not quite sure I’m ready to dive down just yet, but in the future for sure.
Wait till he reads about the Decepticon Justice Division…
IDW is a continuity mess as of a few years into it, at fundamental universe-building levels. Initially the transformers were set up as being "gaiasexual" (ie the planet reproduced sterile drones - either being "forged" or helped along with being "constructed cold"). then down the track, because of "the message", we get romantic and pseudo-sexual relationships between this version of the Transformers, which in terms of the lore that had been established for this reality, makes as much sense as people having romantic relationships with their pet guinea pigs. The truly asinine part was that they were almost there when they explored functionalism, but then failed to grasp what was right in front of them - namely that functionalism-based interpersonal relationships, pair-bonding and bigotry, was actually the means by which you explore those types of themes surrounding the human condition, in a manner which actually holds up to scrutiny.
Honesty, some writers should stay in their own lanes and those lanes are limited to writing for societies where the beings all have an approximation of human biology, reproduction and interpersonal relationships.
I was a kid watching the film in theaters and I had no issues. The film was glorious. The kids that cried were *too sheltered* .
I agree I saw it in the theater when it came out and I loved it. It reminded me tonally of The Empire Strikes Back. ( I did tear up when Prime died though. )
Dude, as kids, we talked into an animated version of "Platoon". Honestly, it's still a little painful to watch today.
Great comparison lol.
You can't kill a head Legacy character like Optimus Prime because that's like killing the franchise. Look at what happened to the Marvel Cinematic Universe after Iron Man has died. Iron Man was the anchor of that series and now he's gone.
History has a habit of repeating itself.
Cześć 🖖😎
Z racji całej swojej niechęci do tego 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 HotRoda, postaram się powiedzieć, za co szanuję ewentualnie HotRoda..
Szanuję go za to, że ma odwagę godną podziwu i jaja ze stali jak na takiego żółtodzioba..
Przecież rzucił się z gołymi łapami debil na Megatrona..
MEGATRONA !..👀
Jednego z największych i najsilniejszych Twardzieli w kosmosie.. ("Nobody summons Megatron!"😉)
Akurat tą akcją finalnie przyczynił się do śmierci Optimusa Prime'a moim zdaniem. To był pojedynek na śmierć i życie.. jeden na jeden..
Ale takich przykładów jest pełno w tym filmie (kocham ten film, oglądałem go ponad 3000 razy😉🤪), chociażby gdy HotRod otworzył ogień do promu kosmicznego Autobotów od razu jak odkrył, że to Deceptikony😉 bez chwili zawachania czy strachu...👍
Ciekawostka: Według skryptu scenariusza, HotRod otwierając ogień do Deceptikonów miał powiedzieć "This is for IRONHIDE. As so's this!"👍
Ps. gdy jako ośmioletni fan Optimusa
pierwszy raz oglądałem Transformery na VHS, tak się popłakałem jak Optimus Prime umarł, że z niedowierzaniem obejrzałem go łącznie 4 razy pod rząd cały czas płacząc..🖖😎
“We all make mistakes in the heat of passion Jimbo.”
If Hot Rod wasn't there Prime can just pull the trigger without endangering him.
If you think the movie is brutal you might want to check out the UK comics, they make the movie look like the cartoon in comparison, also is Cosmos, not Cosmo.
Prime was more than a autobot leader, he was our leader. I remember being in the sixth grade of that year going back to school and hearing prime died felt like a tamily member passing away. I watched the movie on vhs over a 100 times because that was the last time we saw prime as our leader at his best. No one liked rodimus prime back then, even the toy was ugly. We liked ultra magnus as leader.
Amen.
Well i think this movie got outclassed as best Transformers movie by Transformers One
Perhaps, but I need a bit of time to sit with TF One first.
@@BraveBladeProductions that is reasonable
Boomers killed Optimus Prime because, for them, the character was simply intellectual property taking up space on store shelves. For Gen Xers, this is yet another example of Boomers being completely flippant and materialistic about their own creations, their own children, and the world in general.
Prime was just a product to them.
Why didn't Sunstreaker and Hound follow Optimus Prime to be reinforcements for the attack on Autobot City.
They were watching the ship lol.
I was that boy...but it wasn't my bedroom for two weeks...in was the bathroom for 2 hours because I had the most diabolical diarrhea from the movie theater food.
oof…
I remember we used to steal transformers and go bots from Woolworth stores and Sears😂. Yes, I wasn't a good kid.
Haha, honestly I think that's kind of cool.
Killing Autobot PROWL was a bike FAUL!! And that was the fault of Optimus Prime sending him to Earth on a mission!
And this is why the psycho warlord is not an acceptable Optimus. It´s the same as making a nazi Captain America or a peaceful Wolverine. That´s just not who he is.
Homicidal Optimus took me outbof Age of Extinction right at the start.