The biggest problem for me is the colours through walls. Because in the replay you don't just see the enemies the wrong colour, but you see them through walls now too. That really messes with my head. From not being able to see them all in in game, to seeing their blue outlines through walls in replay really messes with me. Also, then if you have a Widow on your team... FML her ult piles on the confusion as the enemies go back to being red when behind walls but still blue in the open...
If his brig is asking for peel against a comp with no flankers on gibraltar, you know its a skill issue and they should rather be playing an other supp imo
I 100% believe it was that Brig complaining because everyone else made swaps to beat the Jog except the Brig who never had a shield because of the pressure from two hitscans
I think one thing a lot of popular streamers could convey better is how DYNAMIC the concept of positioning is. What a players starts off thinking could be a “good” position could actually be a good position for the moment, but then could become unfavorable if the target then adjusts.
Emongg does that, mostly, but the advice that is handed out will be different for every role, rank and hero. Good positioning for Ana looks way different to good positioning to even Kiriko and Bap, for example. It's also heavily dependent on team comp and where your team wants to hold, how many players are alive, where the teamfight is happening etc. There will be universal constants like "don't stand out in the open" and "use cover", but everything else is relative and subjective. Teaching that is hard, because how do you teach someone how to do something that will need to eventually become second nature like breathing? By telling them to keep doing it, because there's no other way to learn except through experience. You tell them the theory, but they've gotta put in the practice to get better at it, like everything else. We all start somewhere but it's through practice and experience that we get better.
Overwatch is very much about repositioning, that's what they mean when they talk about having a backup plan You can be in a shitty position in one moment and so long as you reposition to a better one quickly enough, you're chilling Kinda like those arcade shooters where you shoot all the on-screen targets and then you get moved through the map
The last two-three minutes I think is a testament to what they actually can do on Dva. Everything before was just confusion from the rest of the team. The brig running in alone by herself when she's playing with a comp that doesnt really play to brigs strengths and then yelling at Dva for not protecting them is just ridiculous. Ahh yes, playing Brig with a Juno that flies away, a Reaper that flanks, a Soldier that runs away and a Dva that dives. Absolutely amazing lmao
I also think it helped that the enemy tank swapped off hog, so the supports felt less pressure, which resulted in them not calling out our DVA. So the DVA was able to play how they want to play, vs trying to do how the want to play and listen to their teammates
The support reaction was to blame the tank but idrk about that. Yeah they had some blame, but the Ana was nading the Hog when he either had full health or when Kiri could easily cleanse it. Some of the fault is really hers.
The thing about plat is a good portion of games come down to a tank diff. And that's a problem because even if your tank plays well the team will almost always blame them instead of just accepting that they got beat by a better team lol it happens. This game was winnable but it had nothing to do with DVa
I find dva to be similar to lucio. It's very easy to be lost on what you want to do but when you know what to do it's very easy to climb to high ranks.
The problem is that their team probably didn’t say it once or twice but the entire game. Overwatch is a game where not listening to your teammates can result in them throwing the entire game. It’s hard to know when to do your own thing and when to follow orders. And as for not being aggressive enough, that’s probably because of how their team is telling them to play.
You can't win for losing with those teammates. It's honestly better to simply ignore them and let them cry into a vacuum. if you lose you lose. Not the end of the world.
I think the real issue was one of the opinions was from someone who was determined to play a hero against hard counters, on a map that doesn't favour her and is known as the "peel/anti-flanker" support but was playing against poke. If that person had swapped to literally any other support then you might have a point. But starting as Brig right out the gate and then continuously feeding whilst blaming the tank is not it, dawg. They're the 1 person on the team you don't need to listen to, in that situation.
I mean, don't listen to what your plat teammates are saying when they criticized your gameplay. They are as clueless as you, and your goal should be to find ways for "you" to win more consistently. Their sad drivel is detrimental for your own progress in figuring out the game. Just go in and mute all chat channels. Tbh, if you need coms to win in metal ranks, you'd be better off learning out how to adapt and play around the situation rather than rely on the one time coms actually have a overwhealmingly positive impact for the W, a week.
I would say also he or she is never aiming for the head. He is only aiming at the body which hardly does anything at all with dva guns from even a short distance. She’s peppering Hog with bullets to his belly which do basically no damage and only serve to feed his ult.
The supports certainly did despite the brig not even being the right hero for the map, brig is not made for Gibraltar she's a poke hero not a dive hero. And Gibraltar is very much a dive map.
@@JayBee-yq2yvI mean… heroes can work in any map by playing correctly (ex: not overextending, etc.) Although roadhog, pharah, echo and juno aren’t a good matchup for brig, honestly I would’ve went bap or ana
I can't lie though, if I was that tank I woulda swapped to something else. Not because DVa is bad on Gibraltar, but because that backline is just not nearly good enough to help a dva who's meant to be diving. Like how is a brig juno meant to help with a hog soldier and sojourn, when they're playing ana kiri. The reality is the DPS also couldn't do anything cus they were just getting rolled. Yes the DVa could have improved and done things better but as someone in this rank, I can't dive the backline cus dps are right there and they turn and explode me, can't stay and fight hog cus I can't block the hook and I cant REALLY target the dps cus I don't have the healing
i feel this tank. Tank can be overwhelming because you literally have a target on your back the entire game. Whether it's the enemy team focusing you down or your teammates looking for a scapegoat on why they lost, tanks just don't win even when they do win.
@@ax7player728 I’m sorry but if you’re having “stressful” fights in that elo is a skill issue. Bad positioning is what makes fights stressful as you don’t have anywhere to fall back and wait for them to make a mistake, because nobody in those elos plays close to perfect, I was there and even lower myself a while back.
@@ax7player728 This person is much better than you. If you think this is sloppy watch your and other players' POV in your matches it will be a disaster. The amount of low metal rank players I see commenting about quality of play in Emongg videos only to make 3-5x the amount of mistakes is unfathomable.
Some people are really sensitive as hell especially in plat or below. They just stop playing the game blaming the supports for not healing whereas in fact they are playing the game getting kills and healing but the numbers dont show for it since he is playing lucio. Was a winnable game in clash but the tank just sat there typing blaming the supports. So if you dont listen to that player they end up throwing by complaining that the other person is throwing which is actually funny and annoying.
Yeah, this person doesn't deserve to be in plat imo. Wow, nvm that last few minutes of the game was solid. I wonder what made them start off so horribly.
@@overratedfool6900 ok I just wanted to know if you can post it as a console player thanks for letting me know and I'll figure it out how to post it as I learn more.
Also Dva’s rockets do basically zero damage from afar. Dva needs to be very economical with her defense matrix and dive in with her rockets when you’re sure that you will get a kill.
It's easier to see another person's mistakes especially when they all get pointed out by someone who knows a lot about the game. Maybe you genuinely happen to get better enemies in your games or something, and probably you don't make some of this person's mistakes but do others not adjusting well enough to the situation. Plat is just slightly above the trash ranks and is still absolutely a laughing stock for actually good players, I hate this plat ego thing so much.
@@Iscoileachme As som1 who shares the same sentiment as you, I have to disagree. For most of the vod, this tank didnt have plat level decision making skills nor good resource management. They have only played for 2 months so its expected. They just got lucky with placements.
@@ender0998 yes, I kind of forgot that bit as I was focused on making a different point. That makes sense, and you're absolutely right, I'm just tired of all the rank shaming in the community, especially when it mostly comes from "the middle of the pack" one losing streak away from those miserable silver/gold losers.
I wish OW would change the replay colors so that your team is always blue. It’s confusing to see ppl shooting at characters with blue outlines.
The biggest problem for me is the colours through walls. Because in the replay you don't just see the enemies the wrong colour, but you see them through walls now too. That really messes with my head. From not being able to see them all in in game, to seeing their blue outlines through walls in replay really messes with me. Also, then if you have a Widow on your team... FML her ult piles on the confusion as the enemies go back to being red when behind walls but still blue in the open...
If his brig is asking for peel against a comp with no flankers on gibraltar, you know its a skill issue and they should rather be playing an other supp imo
I 100% believe it was that Brig complaining because everyone else made swaps to beat the Jog except the Brig who never had a shield because of the pressure from two hitscans
@@Antonio-ys5zdIf brig swapped to ana they could have probably won bc of being a hitscan while scoping…., kinda countering pharah echo and juno
@@Antonio-ys5zd Are you confused? They're agreeing the Brig should have swapped earlier.
@@TheTossedOne misread. My bad
As a Brig enjoyer; you're right, they were the issue.
I think one thing a lot of popular streamers could convey better is how DYNAMIC the concept of positioning is. What a players starts off thinking could be a “good” position could actually be a good position for the moment, but then could become unfavorable if the target then adjusts.
Emongg does that, mostly, but the advice that is handed out will be different for every role, rank and hero. Good positioning for Ana looks way different to good positioning to even Kiriko and Bap, for example. It's also heavily dependent on team comp and where your team wants to hold, how many players are alive, where the teamfight is happening etc. There will be universal constants like "don't stand out in the open" and "use cover", but everything else is relative and subjective. Teaching that is hard, because how do you teach someone how to do something that will need to eventually become second nature like breathing? By telling them to keep doing it, because there's no other way to learn except through experience. You tell them the theory, but they've gotta put in the practice to get better at it, like everything else. We all start somewhere but it's through practice and experience that we get better.
Everyone should watch spilos video on killbox/the line
Person above me is right. Emong does make that distinction quite often. Good positioning is not just "take high ground".
Overwatch is very much about repositioning, that's what they mean when they talk about having a backup plan
You can be in a shitty position in one moment and so long as you reposition to a better one quickly enough, you're chilling
Kinda like those arcade shooters where you shoot all the on-screen targets and then you get moved through the map
The last two-three minutes I think is a testament to what they actually can do on Dva. Everything before was just confusion from the rest of the team. The brig running in alone by herself when she's playing with a comp that doesnt really play to brigs strengths and then yelling at Dva for not protecting them is just ridiculous. Ahh yes, playing Brig with a Juno that flies away, a Reaper that flanks, a Soldier that runs away and a Dva that dives. Absolutely amazing lmao
I also think it helped that the enemy tank swapped off hog, so the supports felt less pressure, which resulted in them not calling out our DVA. So the DVA was able to play how they want to play, vs trying to do how the want to play and listen to their teammates
The support reaction was to blame the tank but idrk about that. Yeah they had some blame, but the Ana was nading the Hog when he either had full health or when Kiri could easily cleanse it. Some of the fault is really hers.
Its either dive their backline(your team wont help you and will yell at you) or they want you to peel (they will complain at you for not taking space)
The thing about plat is a good portion of games come down to a tank diff. And that's a problem because even if your tank plays well the team will almost always blame them instead of just accepting that they got beat by a better team lol it happens. This game was winnable but it had nothing to do with DVa
Not to mention a lot of teams lose because they don’t swap, even if they die a thousand times, that’s what happened with the brig here.
@@gustavodias3570 absolutely
I find dva to be similar to lucio. It's very easy to be lost on what you want to do but when you know what to do it's very easy to climb to high ranks.
The problem is that their team probably didn’t say it once or twice but the entire game. Overwatch is a game where not listening to your teammates can result in them throwing the entire game. It’s hard to know when to do your own thing and when to follow orders.
And as for not being aggressive enough, that’s probably because of how their team is telling them to play.
You can't win for losing with those teammates. It's honestly better to simply ignore them and let them cry into a vacuum. if you lose you lose. Not the end of the world.
I think the real issue was one of the opinions was from someone who was determined to play a hero against hard counters, on a map that doesn't favour her and is known as the "peel/anti-flanker" support but was playing against poke. If that person had swapped to literally any other support then you might have a point. But starting as Brig right out the gate and then continuously feeding whilst blaming the tank is not it, dawg. They're the 1 person on the team you don't need to listen to, in that situation.
I mean, don't listen to what your plat teammates are saying when they criticized your gameplay. They are as clueless as you, and your goal should be to find ways for "you" to win more consistently. Their sad drivel is detrimental for your own progress in figuring out the game. Just go in and mute all chat channels. Tbh, if you need coms to win in metal ranks, you'd be better off learning out how to adapt and play around the situation rather than rely on the one time coms actually have a overwhealmingly positive impact for the W, a week.
I would say also he or she is never aiming for the head. He is only aiming at the body which hardly does anything at all with dva guns from even a short distance. She’s peppering Hog with bullets to his belly which do basically no damage and only serve to feed his ult.
So basically their team couldn’t get anything done and put all the pressure on dva?
They also could’ve played a little bit better but the team probably made it a worse experience for them
The supports certainly did despite the brig not even being the right hero for the map, brig is not made for Gibraltar she's a poke hero not a dive hero. And Gibraltar is very much a dive map.
@@JayBee-yq2yvI mean… heroes can work in any map by playing correctly (ex: not overextending, etc.)
Although roadhog, pharah, echo and juno aren’t a good matchup for brig, honestly I would’ve went bap or ana
Probably ana to hardcounter the hog
@@Dredgenn "A little better" is a wild statement. This vod was basically mistake after mistake.
12:47 Man that horn had me thinking someone was at my house at 9 PM xD
8:00 my anxiety even though there was 17 minutes left in the vid
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I can't lie though, if I was that tank I woulda swapped to something else. Not because DVa is bad on Gibraltar, but because that backline is just not nearly good enough to help a dva who's meant to be diving. Like how is a brig juno meant to help with a hog soldier and sojourn, when they're playing ana kiri. The reality is the DPS also couldn't do anything cus they were just getting rolled. Yes the DVa could have improved and done things better but as someone in this rank, I can't dive the backline cus dps are right there and they turn and explode me, can't stay and fight hog cus I can't block the hook and I cant REALLY target the dps cus I don't have the healing
o yes the damned if you do, damned if you don't.
22:40 butt implants 😂😂😂 definitely curious where that came into a conversation
Name of one of dvas supports
This was very helpful, i am also a plat 4 dva main who struggles with similar issues.
To me playing Brig on attack in Gibraltar is questionable.
Truth. She’s pretty good on defense if there’s dive, but other than that
i feel this tank. Tank can be overwhelming because you literally have a target on your back the entire game. Whether it's the enemy team focusing you down or your teammates looking for a scapegoat on why they lost, tanks just don't win even when they do win.
100% shouldnt be in plat with those decision-making skills, just saying
Yeah I have way more stressful long fights and games on silver 3 to gold 5 games. Makes no sense to me how ranks work rip
@@ax7player728 I’m sorry but if you’re having “stressful” fights in that elo is a skill issue. Bad positioning is what makes fights stressful as you don’t have anywhere to fall back and wait for them to make a mistake, because nobody in those elos plays close to perfect, I was there and even lower myself a while back.
I didnt know a brig could get to plat by playing frontline. Playing like the people i see in my silver games.
plat isnt a super high rank vro ppl still make a lotta mistakes
@@ax7player728 This person is much better than you. If you think this is sloppy watch your and other players' POV in your matches it will be a disaster. The amount of low metal rank players I see commenting about quality of play in Emongg videos only to make 3-5x the amount of mistakes is unfathomable.
I’ve started to mute all voice and text chat and started to win much more, I’ve learnt that metal rank comms just aren’t worth it
In that team comp an Orisa is very effective against Road Hog or a Junker Queen
Some people are really sensitive as hell especially in plat or below. They just stop playing the game blaming the supports for not healing whereas in fact they are playing the game getting kills and healing but the numbers dont show for it since he is playing lucio. Was a winnable game in clash but the tank just sat there typing blaming the supports. So if you dont listen to that player they end up throwing by complaining that the other person is throwing which is actually funny and annoying.
What the hell even is that 1st point
this is them being aggressive?
Yeah, this person doesn't deserve to be in plat imo.
Wow, nvm that last few minutes of the game was solid. I wonder what made them start off so horribly.
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Can console post their overwatch games on discord for you to watch? If so then please tell me how. Also anybody knows how to do this just tell me.
Yes they can. I'm not sure where to begin with the "how", because I'm not sure any part of it is confusing.
@@overratedfool6900 ok I just wanted to know if you can post it as a console player thanks for letting me know and I'll figure it out how to post it as I learn more.
Also Dva’s rockets do basically zero damage from afar. Dva needs to be very economical with her defense matrix and dive in with her rockets when you’re sure that you will get a kill.
How is this plat? Definitely got lucky win streak
If this is actully plat i deserve diamond atleast, as plat 4 dva main. gotta grind more
It's easier to see another person's mistakes especially when they all get pointed out by someone who knows a lot about the game.
Maybe you genuinely happen to get better enemies in your games or something, and probably you don't make some of this person's mistakes but do others not adjusting well enough to the situation. Plat is just slightly above the trash ranks and is still absolutely a laughing stock for actually good players, I hate this plat ego thing so much.
@@Iscoileachme As som1 who shares the same sentiment as you, I have to disagree. For most of the vod, this tank didnt have plat level decision making skills nor good resource management. They have only played for 2 months so its expected. They just got lucky with placements.
@@ender0998 yes, I kind of forgot that bit as I was focused on making a different point. That makes sense, and you're absolutely right, I'm just tired of all the rank shaming in the community, especially when it mostly comes from "the middle of the pack" one losing streak away from those miserable silver/gold losers.
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