Rescued! Can The All Electric Ford F-150 Lightning Fully Charge Another EV!?
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It may sound trivial. But I like that Max used his turn signal to pull into the parking spot. Always signal your intent.
He no want get fired 😂
F150 Lightening is such a game changer. Hope it comes to Australia soon 🙏
I appreciate how Andre always is careful to get the tech details correct, like saying the correct voltages for North America: 120 and 240 V, instead of the long obsolete voltages that are way too often quoted by others.
Don’t know why people seem so surprised that a charger works when plugged into an outlet.
It's not that simple. It's the fact that it works between EVs. There's lots of software, charging systems and everything that need to work together to actually charge.
Look up some videos on charging EVs with portable generators and you'll learn why; Sometime inverters don't create a clean-enough sinewave to make the chargers happy, and other times the chargers complain about grounding issues. It's often not as simple as just "plug it in and it works".
Get a cheap power pack and plug your tv into it, you’ll learn not all power is the same. There is “true sine wave” and “modified sine wave”
I’m sure Ford uses the true sine wave inverters but not all do, not all inverters are safe for all loads.
Ford did their homework. This is one of the things I love about American engineered products. Often products from other countries are designed to work in theory. When you try to use them they often fail. Ground loops often Prevent you from charging with a portable charger to Ev. Ford designed this truck to operate like a home outlet. I’m curious to see if the Hyundai products have the same capacity.
@@TheZeusJuice Its not usually due to "dirty" power, so much as the lack of neutral bonding. In typical household wiring, the ground and neutral are connected or "bonded". This "neutral bonding" is what EVSEs are looking for when plugged in. In the vast majority of generators and power stations, the neutral isn't bonded and so EV chargers almost always fault out and refuse to charge.
Interesting video and practical use case is to give the rescued EV just enough charge to safely make it to an actual charging location. 👍🏼
Right on TFL!!! This Lighting Series looking very interesting...this a seriously capable truck...really appreciate how they have kept the traditional F-150 design\style... thanks TFL!!
Great video! Now try to change the mini with the F150 lighting by towing it and letting the mini be on the max Regen setting. You should be able to gain about 2 miles per mile driven
While going downhill during the Ike gauntlet.
intresting, u haul dolly front wheels down? can it regen in reverse?
This would be awesome, but they probably would need a closed course for this.
Man, kind of crazy how much lag there was when selecting pro-power.
Probably no lag in the Silverado EV.
@@smarticus6384 just the upfront lag of no Chevy truck ev for another year at least😂
I know right, for a 2022 vehicle, that's just sad
Impressive! Of course In an actual rescue you would be focused on just enough energy to get the smaller EV to the nearest type III so it would take far less time within the most effective client charging curve. 0-80%
Exactly! So, whose going out to buy a F-150 Ecoboost with PowerPro to start an EV Resuce Service? Probably could get away with charging half the price of a tow and offer just enough energy to get the person to their nearest charging station or home. The closer of the 2 options would maximize profit.
I mean, I would even get a trailer to take the car to the nearest charger while charging it. Double whammy. Upsell. This could be a good little business.
@@markmeridian3360 I'm pretty sure it will get more than 2 miles per kWh if you drive at low speeds. That's a worse case highway speed number.
@@markmeridian3360 That's assuming who ever you called happens to have a filled gas can, not likely so add about 20 minutes to find the can and fill it and then a couple more to pour in the tank. Moral of the story, don't run out of gas.
@@markmeridian3360 i think the real moral of the story is to avoid ev's and all their problems all togeather.
Soon, very soon roadside assistance will offer emergency charging services.
@@FlameOnTheBeat funny part is, the number 1 roadside assistance rollout nationwide is for running out of gas. 😀
They also already have small portable pack's which can juice an ev up for 10-20+miles being sold today.
Cool video. I caught myself wondering "what's the point?" But then I realized that once all vehicles on the road are electric (in 20 years, an ICE car will be a novelty that rich people have for fun because gas is $20/gal) if I'm 2 miles from home and run out of range, my wife could just bring her car down, and as long as she has her adapter, I can have enough charge to make it home in 20 minutes. Which is about the time it would take for someone to bring me a gallon or two of gasoline.
Why would you run out of charge though? The car gives you several warnings before that and when you navigate to the location it clearly shows at what state of charge you would arrive. So in reality people don't run out of charge.
Only if the "donor car" has a 240 inverter system like the Ford. Not all EVs can transfer power like the Lightning. I think the Kia EV6 has the ability to supply power, but not at the same level as the Ford. In that case you might need 1 hour to get enough charge to make it home...as well as making sure the donor car has enough charge to also get home after supplying charge to the dead car.
@@RysterARCEE The lightning is a game changer. Companies like Tesla Can no longer ignore the fact that people want to use these huge batteries on their cars to be back up for their homes or be able to run almost any Ac device. A car like the mini with a small bettey can most likely charge at 5 miles per hour on 120 volts. In under 2 hours you should have enough charge to make it to a public charger. The Lightning can do 35 miles in one hour with a 240 outlet.
@@drister007 WDYM? These damn useless EVs get stranded all the time because their owners are always trying to see how far they can take them past empty!
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@@RysterARCEE -- Not all EVs *yet can transfer power like the lightning. In 20 years, who knows what will be standard with new EVs.
An F350 diesel hybrid would be a sick mobile diesel generator…
F-350 diesel-electric PHEV no less, yes indeed.
Makes sense that the connector is a generator style. These trucks would be great for people with 30AMP travel trailers that don't want to carry a generator but boon dock. Cool that you can charge from one vehicle to another but the practical use would be to just charge the second vehicle enough to get it to your home or office.
Now connect two Ford Lightnings together so they’re both charging each other. The grown up version of connecting two 9-volt batteries together.
Perpetual motion!
Someone already connected a Lightning to itself to see what would happen. It registers as being charged and also charging something else, but of course it does nothing except result in a little bit of charging loss in the process. I'm sure the same thing would happen if two lightnings tried to charge each other.
Yeah Vampire drained, great where does that energy go,, yup if I park my diesel with a full tank I do not lose 25% in 2 weeks of non use..
I know this is only an example, but if only there was a reliable source of energy available at nearly every convenience store. 🙃 If Ford would add a plug in hybrid option to the Powerboost it would be perfect. Most people could go full electric for their commute and still have a vehicle for long trips that would get great gas mileage.
Great point about the value of a PHEV.
Can we talk about how slow that big ass touch screen is to respond to inputs and or transition from page to page?
The electrical outlet/plug issue always cracks me up. The Ford charger comes with what appears to be a 50A RV plug (or is it a 30A Range/Dryer plug?), and the outlet is a 30A Twist Lock. Good to know you should pack the adapter for just such an event.
Typically, your home outlet for 230V would be a 30A circuit like for a Dryer/Range, so it's all good. But most generators have the Twist Lock like the Ford, so there you go... Standardized Confusion 🤣
The F-150 Lightning/Powerboost and the ProPower system are so sick. This is so neat that it did a full L2 mini charge no problem.
Amazing job for the Lightning but we have a long way to go before range anxiety is a thing of the past.
"completely dead"
shows it reversing at 0:54
This is so cool that you can even do this. love this idea. 🇨🇦
The math you guys did 16:00 is a little off, the Mini battery has a capacity of 32.6kWh but the USEABLE capacity is only 28.9kWh, so the losses are worse than you calculated. That makes sense because the Lightning was inverting from its DC battery to AC power, then the charger in the Mini was converting back into DC to charge its battery, and there is a loss in each of those conversions.
Who knows, maybe one day Ford will create an outlet for direct DC current and then you could use DC fast charging on the vehicle you are rescuing?
The "extra" percentage use on the Lightning was due to the cooling fans for the Lightning battery pack
And conversion losses
Or you could just tow and regen the 5 miles in about 2 or 3 miles of towing.
Regarding the reduction in electrical power towards the end of the charge. It may be that this is just power ramping down when the battery approaches a full charge.
almost certainly
indeed, the usable battery size of the mini is 29kWh. Which gives a charging efficiency of about 80%. That value appears significantly better than out of spec motoring where they achieved about 66% efficiency in charging simultaneously 5 vehicles at once
Thats because theres losses in those batteries and out of the fords.
That's also becuase they charged the mini using a 240v/30A connector. Out of spec charged charged all 5 vehicles using 120v, which is less efficient. Even on the 240v connector in out of spec, they used a splitter, so that they could connect two cars on each 120v leg of the 240v connector.
thank you guys for enlightening me of the obvious! 🤔
Is the screen normally that delayed or was that just in the camera?
Always such clever and enjoyable reviews. This is why I’m a patreon member ❤️
I realize you left Mini dead overnight for this test, and I suspect you don’t abuse the pack regularly, but you really stressed the battery by doing that. Be nice to your battery - keep it between 20% and 80% SoC on a regular basis. 🙂
I'll keep in mind not to buy a long-held EV from an EV channel -at market price.-
The charger would have faired better by putting it under the truck/open tailgate instead of in the bed.
at 54 seconds why is the "dead" mini moving backward by itself? EXPOSED!
It decided to give us another 50 feet of power once we rebooted! I assume intended to load on a tow truck
Seriously ridiculous how many adapters you need to charge EV's.
An adapter to go on the adaptor.🙄
For EV's to be main stream use, they need to streamline this.
If you use the slow charger (115 Volt) you need no adapters, for 240 volt charging 1 adapter. Is one adapter "ridiculous" or is your comment ridiculous?
Agreed, as much as I hate regulations, they need to regulate all manufacturers to use the same Adapters/ports need to be in one of two places just like ICE vehicles. The charging network also needs to be one size fits all. This switch over is going to be a mess with how quick they are pushing it, let’s not complicate it.
The L14-30 plug on the truck is really common on 240V capable generators, that's why they're using it. The NEMA 14-50 plug that the ford charger uses is one of the most used for plugging in RV's and big appliances at home, and are fairly common out in the wild using the highest amp plug at 50 amps, so that's why it's often used on EV chargers. Tesla started that before DC fast charging was common as the next best solution. Everyone else followed suit. Unfortunately there's too many different plug types that have been out for a long time before EV's. Picking one is impossible. Not every appliance can use just one plug type. And unless you're going to wire up a dedicated EV charger, using existing outlets is kind of your only option.
I agree it's not ideal, but EV chargers like the ones included with Teslas offer a wide array of plugs, no extra dongles needed most of the time. That Ford one has replaceable plug ends as well, but they don't seem to offer more than the included 2 right now.
I like that I have the possibility to charge basically everywhere. I built my own adapter set to plug into many of those different locking type receptacles. I work on remote job sites at schools and being able to pull into the welding or woods classrooms using any one of their various 240V plugs is nice. A lot of woodworking machinery uses those locking plugs.
Using an array of different plugs isn't really common, if your garage has a welding or RV plug, that's what you're going to stick to using, and likely leaving the charger plugged into the wall anyway.
@@heathwirt8919
It's an adapter to go from the mains to the vehicle.
Then they needed another adapter to convert it to 240v.
@@Robert-cu9bm The charger is designed to work with 120 or 240 and has it's own adapter which is part of the package. The 240 volts is the actual output of the 240 volt outlet and an adapter was needed there to match the plugs. So only one additional adapter was required.
Very cool and interesting, thank you! A very neat and handy feature to have. I don't think Telsa's or most EV's has that reverse charge feature, so it's cool that Ford has it.
FWIW, Hyundai/Kia has this feature with their Ioniq5 and EV6 vehicles.
"can't move" .. watches it reverse in the driveway. 😂
Awsome video. If you own a Lightning you have a recovery service.
At 16:20 some of the losses will be from the fans, electronic modules and the large touch screen.
This is a great vid. Practical use case during emergencies. Yes don't forget that adapter!
I hope that’s a true sine wave though, dirty frequency will fry your electronics
Great video thanks . My Chevy bolt draws 32 Amp is that too much for the ford lightening since max is 30 Amp ? Thanks
All that local stuff cracks me up…I’ve gone full throttle on Jay Road many times. You probably could have just picked up that adapter at McGuckins :-).
Now charge the truck back up from the Mini out of the cigarette lighter
It's amazing how much time and headache a tiny can of gas could save you.
How many miles did they get in 30mins-1hr? I think that is the most realistic charge time if you went to help a friend you're not going to sit out there for 5hrs but 30mins so they have enough power to get to a station or home
Umm the adapter is from a 30amp outlet to a 50 amp outlet though?
I was wondering the exact same thing!
So it took a gas vehicle in the end to rescue your electric golf cart. This is going to be a very common problem as people who can't read a gas gauge start driving electric cars...they can't read a gas gauge, they're certainly not going to read the state of charge gauges in an electric car.
I really want to see a tug of war between the lightning and the Rivian!
Awesome video guys. Is there a link or more info for the adapter used in the video?
If you had one of those tow dollys you could have used the Ford to tow the mini Cooper while it was charging.
If the Ford f-150 powerstroke came with this hybrid system and pro power... that would be 😎
The Lightening didn’t run at full power 7.2k watts for the full time charging Andrea said it dropped to 2.3k watts during charging.
can you charge while towing like on the hybrid though??
what is the temp in fahrenheit during the video
Now you guys need show towing a camper with the Lightning.
Cool content, I too am confused by the ability to plug a 50amp EVSE into a 30amp socket. Does the truck handle this more gracefully than my breaker panel at the house? Does that yellow adapter do more than I realize? Does the mini let you limit amp draw like a Tesla does? Pretty sure the Ford mobile EVSE isn't that smart.
Not sure about the Ford EVSE, but my aftermarket one lets me choose the charging rate. Also, looking up the specs, it seems the Mini's max charge rate for 240v is 7.4kw (aka 30amp).
@@TheZeusJuice That's a helpful data point, though if you were working with a 30amp receptacle you'd want to be pulling 24amps.
Ford's mobile EVSE is rated for 240v 30A max, where did you get the 50Amp?
@@Xyler94 Most EVSEs come with a 14-50 plug. Suggesting up to 50 (well 40) amps. You make a good point though. I think Tesla is mas 32 amps. If the Ford one maxes at 30 amps. It would still exceed 24 amps right? Generaly a circuit safe for 80% of the rated load. I've since learned that the Lightning comes with a L14-30 to 14-50 adapter and perhaps the truck itself can handle the over load. Clearly it does, just trying to figure out the "why".
@@russellhogg the Ford Pro Power can supply 7200w of power on 240v, which is 240v 30A. Continuous too. A household circuit has to be that, but generators are rated differently than household sockets.
Max is a good lad, wish him luck at TFL. although he sounds like he's reciting the information unlike kase who makes it sound like it's coming straight from the heart. Nevertheless Welcome to the TFL family
LOL you need to build a charging rig for Quick Charging. Have one designed.
Tommy try charging the lightning using the lightning itself!!
Is there such a thing as a mobile charging outfit? Maybe a crew cab flatbed that can charge dead EV while transporting it.
If it was completely dead, how did it back up, down drive-way, off the road?? The mini??
Can you use the lighting to charge while the lighting is being charged?
Ie does propower disable during main battery charging?
Interesting question. If possible, you could then use the Lightning as a giant UPS! It'd probably lose some efficiency, but might prove useful in certain emergency situations.
Cybertruck engineers.....are you listening???
No
Interestingly if he didnt have electricfy america subscription it charges approx .43 so would actually come out to 33.11. If gas was 1.00 less expensive or what we had a year or 2 ago and not counting home charger prices would be a lot closer to gas winning possibly slightly edging out. (not justifying gas use vs electric use either)
An F-150 Lightning range extender gas engine option will fit right in to this "recovery service" use case. Pro Power Onboard is great.
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Can You use the Big plug of truck to reverse charge with more power ( the one You use for charge the truck normaly ) marby need use special cord
If it uses 1 gallon per hour of charge it is still cheaper than most of the ev chargers at .35c per minute.
Cool and all but so much hassle which is why gasoline cars will be around for a very long time. Convenience is hard to beat plus time is priceless.
Man that Ford screen lag.... wow....
It's really bad for your EV battery to leave it at either a low or high state of charge for extended periods. Glad you only left it low overnight.
With a gas engine it would take 5 minutes and you would already be back at the office. Need to have a reserve battery or leave a small amount to get you to a near by charger.
The future looks really productive.
I was at my Ford dealer today and checking the status of my order, my name was up there with a time stamp guarantee that I will get the truck.... but not until Spring of 2023 :))
Maybe a range extender gas engine option will be available for the F-150 Lightning by then.
while i love you guys and ALL your videos, this one made me "ACHE" for the days when a quick gas can would solve ALL "stranded with no gas" dilemma...sheesh, what WORK ev's can be when they are out of juice! and sooooo time consuming...right dongles, right inverter, right cables, NO A/C!!! eeeshhhh!!!! if THIS is the future, we are triple effed!!! This is not "adventure", this is the stuff nightmares are made of!!!! This has increased my "range anxiety tenfold!!" because BELIEVE it or not, this video is "BEST case scenerio" for when you run out. An F150 Lightning, a cool helpful farmer, 4 good friends, just IMAGINE "dark road & no cell service!!"....Still an entertaining video tho, great job guys! BTC
I need that adapter where did yoy buy it
You’re a good man Andre!
You could have towed the cooper behind the lightening and the cooper would have charged faster through regen.
Germain in columbus add $25k to the sticker of $80k Lighting.... They had a F250 for
$70k loaded and godzilla!
How many miles did the mini gain vs how many miles did the lightning lose?
In rough numbers, the Lightning lost about 81 miles and the Mini gained about 114 miles, assuming the Lightning had the larger pack (which I think it does).
Max needs more screen time. 😍😜
So, did it use up 5 or so gallons of fuel on the lightning? Other then that, pretty freaking cool video. I'd say 8-9 hours for a Chevy Bolt. Sweet
The lighting is fully electric
@@Victor-vj5ds you're right. I guess my question would pertain to the hybrid charging then. So, begs the question. Next charging test done on the hybrid to see how much fuel it'll take to fully charge the Cooper???
If the lightning just towed the mini to the nearest charger say 4 miles away what percentage of the battery will it use?
~5%
You guys never mention how much it cost to fill up electric eV
EV rescue, $50 for 30 min charge...
How did you know it was 11 pm the NEXT night?
There was a date on the dash next to the time that was for the next day
Car is dead, won’t move on its own, we neeed to push it… proceeds to back car into driveway under its own power
Does electric car now have neutral if power is gone to 0? Or is that car specific thing. Like tesla (used to) locks all 4 wheels and you stay there like mushroom.
5 hours for a car at level two so it can go 100-200 miles??? Uhh hell no, gas vehicle 300-500+ miles es empty gas station stall, only length of time is how long it takes to fill up..
At least you can get hold of the dongle 😂
That's badass
Good Video's guys at TFL regarding the lightning. There is so much F**kery going on with EV's it's enough to convince us to stay away from them! Hybrids seem a heck of a lot more effective with todays vehicle culture. Next time I'm stuck on Jay Road w/my EV, I'll call the TFL rescue team!
in the future when you call up AAA for your dead EV, they will be arriving in a Ford F150 Lightning
Wow that screen is slow
So the lighting should be able to charge itself on the fly and get unlimited mileage. Just plug the truck to itself and drive forever
Too bad Ford is not making any money on this truck. Its stealerships are though with markups though.
Yes I am watching a truck charge a mini......
Wow you guys are answering all the real world questions on EVs
Not sure why we spent half the video in recovering a car that was intentionally driven to zero. A situation that is far from reality for the majority of us. But sure, I guess we eventually got around to the Lightning charging an EV. Filler???
Let's increase this excitement and drive a Bronco to empty. I desperately want to see this AAA service in a situation I have never experienced. More filler!!
lol @ the clip of the mini clearly not being pushed also this video seem a little too fake lol I mean I get you guys need a script but this feels like a really bad soap opera, the clips with Andre and other dude felt actually genuine, the clips with roman and son feel super contrived...
Like Max said, just do it..lol