My Dad manages tons of remote servers at tower sites... this may be a great little tool for him, thanks for highlighting it! (PiKVM might also be a nice option).
From what I've seen PiKVM looks better and/or cheaper. Haven't tried any f the two out yet, though. But I am waiting for the PiKVM to be available to buy.
Jeff - you help make TinyPilot work! The device runs nginx, and we install it using the nginx Ansible role you developed. Thanks for all your contributions to the open source community! github.com/tiny-pilot/ansible-role-nginx
The PiKVM may be more DIY, but it has the option to integrate with the ATX buttons/LEDs (power, reset, power LED, HDD actvity). Their full hardware solution should be shipping soon according to the website and github. Also they have an additional addon board that might work for your M1 MAC's issue of not liking the emulated storage device.
Howdy there! I'm new here but I have a small suggestion that I think would help elevate your videos a little bit. Once in a while when you make a cut, you're losing the last few miliseconds of a word, sometimes you drop the last letter of a word altogether. To resolve this I recommend making J and L cuts that preserves your audio and maybe even overlap the audio tracks a couple frames a hair. If you do try this out, I recommend having the video cut occur slightly after the next audio track kicks in, this really helps reduce the jarring nature of jump cuts. This method will allow your edits to remain tight and keep the pace running without losing audio clarity. Excellent video, I look forward to more! :)
I have two tiny mini micro servers that I manage with the PiKVM and a standard HDMI KVM for switching servers. Perfect for the home lab where I can tolerate anything finicky. Absolutely love it and it meets my needs at a low cost of entry.
Perhaps in the future. As mentioned, the TinyPilot code is on Github as well. When this was purchased (~November 2020) TinyPilot was turnkey whereas PiKVM was more DIY. I know that is changing. It is also a big deal to have a turnkey solution including hardware when trying to displace something like Spiders.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo In environments that do have those lantronic spiders, you are also paying for a support structure within environments that would not view TP/PiKVM as long term solutions
The reason the other USB ports are not used for the virtual HID is because the RPi only supports USB device mode on the USB-C connection. For the HID emulation to work on the other ports, some form of controller would be required (like an Arduino). Honestly, if the box was made slightly larger, much of this hardware could likely be included inside and internally wired. This is getting into commercial development levels of effort though.
That box on the usb-c port is important, because all those other USB ports are host ports and if you connect them to the server it might fry your systems. USB A/B is directional! (Yes, there is also USB-on-the-go, but not on the Pi)
For tinkerers, Waveshare has an epaper screen HAT with 4 buttons that allows you to build a pretty nice on device menu for this with a bit of Python. I personally used it to have a reset button and to enable/disable a wifi hotspot and display the password.
From what I know this is a cut-down version of Pi-KVM in a nice kit form. I'd compare it to the original as that project is also working on integrating their solution into a user-friendly package.
Great way to shout out a very entrepreneurial SBC community member. Also I would like to shout out NovaSpirit Tech for partnering with this project as well. Good job YT SBC community!
It has to use the USB-C port on the Pi4 because that is the only port that supports USB-OTG. Unfortunately, that port is only USB2 speed-wise. Odd that media mounting wouldn't be available in the open-source version. It is a really basic part of PI USB OTG stuff, and has been possible for at least a couple years with the Pi Zero. You can do read-write file system images, too, as long as you are careful that only the USB port can make changes to the image.
At this point, 2 years afterwards, and maybe a bit more, I would still think that the PIKVM is the better option, using a kit option such as the Geekworm version A3 although assembly is required. Now, is it an enterprise solution ? I don't know; it probably would not make the cut where I work, but that's largely because work wants 100% control; and aren't particularly fans of anything that can't be purchased with support. But for a home lab, it's going to be fine.
Catch 22 with usb powered KVM :) - nice one. Funny enough I was also recently looking at console servers and KVMs based on Raspberry PI. Good stuff to save money :).
So, the way I have been doing it using this at home (albeit unusual I have so many ~1L PCs and development boxes) is actually using an Alexa plug so I can power cycle by voice along with this for KVM.
Looking at this, I see spaghetti cabling and multiple blocks. Raspberry Pi has gipo connecters, plus other connectors. Why can't the blocks be not combined, IE a taller optional expansion case. The top of the case taking a DC power in USB or otherwise, and outputting VGA and or additional HDMI with an additional data USB connection. Or even go the whole hog, and the rider unit can take mains voltage via the figure of 8 conector IE VHS mains voltage conector doubling the volume of the whole expanded unit but greatly reducing the spaghetti wirings? IE the rider unit has a compact high efficiency PSU, with the appropriate ports to remote KVM and power cycle the attached server or workstation?
I didn't notice a file manager so presumably there is another way to upload iso's to the SD card...ssh, scp? Also, a virtual drive mapped to the client pc would be a huge step in the right direction.
Ok, now what i want to do is go to a board manufacturer, and have them make a 24 port USB-C "backplane" switch for a 2u chassis, somehow have an integrated 1g network switch for the USB-C backplane, and power the backplane with a 750w SFX with fanless operation to power laptops that may be connected, Add a pi4 to switch between the USB-C ports and add iKVM functionality, either directly connect the USB-C to a USB-C port on laptops/desktops, or break it out into VGA+USB+network with converter cables, no need to have a seperate power adapter for the converter cable and laptop power, very useful for higher ed where we're often buying/re-imaging up to hundreds of machines each year. Personally i'd only use something like this when i buy/build new labs, but some places bring machines back to a central location to re-image. I'd normally re-image a lab over the network, but if i need to make BIOS updates changes i might want one of these KVMs to speed up the process, and to be able to sit down at a central workstation instead of getting up and down multiple times for each 24 machines in a lab
Multiple devises and cables seems to create a lot of possible failure point. The connections don't seem intuitive at first glance, which could increase accidental disruption and slow troubleshooting.
Not an M1 incompatibility per se - every new mac since Big Sur forces you to connect physical io before they boot OOBE. Been driving me bonkers for a while now (dozens of rebuilds a month). I also just keep an old Dell wired mouse handy. They need a keyboard too. The Dell one doesn't work so I keep a wired mac slim kb handy... but it sounds like this kvm works as a keyboard for OOBE at least :-)
Nice product, but unfortunately no use if: 1) server is running your router (eg. pfsense VM), in a home/small office environment, and you want to access it over WAN. 2) you want to use it for remote assistance (eg. to an elderly person) where the local person needs to see the screen too So I'd love to see an enhanced model with: a) an extra NIC, allowing it to work as a WAN passthru (with packet filtering to implement KVM functions) b) a second HDMI port, mirroring what is input to the current one I'd also love to see one of these implemented as a PCIe (and maybe someday M.2) card, to be able to add remote KVM to a server without all the cables, and with greater performance (a virtual PCIe GPU doesn't need to do continual pixel-level change detection)
@@arch1mede925 Sorry but this doesn't make any sense. The WAN port on my microserver (passed thru to router VM) *has* to go to the cable modem/ISP to establish a WAN session then communicate on it. So where would a TinyPilot then go to allow that microserver to be fully KVMed from the WAN, even if it's completely down?
@asdrubale bisanzio Software solutions are no use if (say) the OS won't start. Of course a separate HDMI splitter would be something to try, but how would that work if the KVM HDMI capture port wants to operate at a different resolution to the physical monitor?
Micro SD cards come in up to 1TB capacity these days. 256GB A2-rated cards are $45 on Amazon. Sounds like he needs to offer larger capacities or the ability to store additional ISO media images on an external USB drive connected to the TinyPilot.
maybe you could use a cheap non-ip kvm to hook up multiple nucs and instead of a monitor and keyboard/mouse you hook up a tinypilot… it should work as long the kvm can be switched via the keyboard and not via physical bitton
My desktop uses a VGA port, simply because I don't do anything on it that needs more then that, and I have an old Compaq KVM that works with VGA. (It also has PS/2-USB convertors because of that old KVM). My point here is desktops still have and use VGA. I'm not a gamer, so a VGA is plenty.
So the one downside I see for using this with workstation grade hardware is the lack of physical power control. If the hardware locks up, it will require an 'in person' visit.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo The TPlink plugs is probably what I'll end up doing too. It would just be nice to have this be an option for the TinyPilot. A hardwired relay via an expansion box, rather than reliance on the cloud and and another independently (wirelessly) connected device. I would probably rather spend an additional $100 and have it be an optional plug-and-play solution rather than rolling my own.
Re: using a USB mouse to make MacOS think a mouse is attached, wouldn't a Logitech Unifying stub work too and take less space? I imagine quite a lot of people have some of those lying around unused.
Too bad it isn't cheaper. Would love to not have to go down into the dungeon to do direct access, but $300 is seriously steep for what is only a convenience feature in a home setup. If they could get the pricing down to ~$100 for hobbyist usage, I'd be all over it.
Hey Patrick, thanks for being awesome ;) I love your video's! I hope you're going to check out π-KVM as well. You should be able to just reuse the tiny pilot for that. It's a lot more advanced than tiny pilot and even implements the BMC protocol. I've seen someone use it with MaaS. Super awesome!
Cool, but $100 more than a PiKVM project and less features (remote LEDs, remote power off/on). Nice thing is that it is pre-built. But 5 minutes of work to build a PiKVM from scratch, YMMV.
Probably going to do the PiKVM video soon now that I have been using it for a few months. Even using both I am now personally at 3 TinyPilots, including the new more integrated one, and still only one PiKVM. You are right about functionality. If it was actually 5 minutes, it would be 3 PiKVMs and 1 TinyPilot.
I need some information on how does this Pi KVM works on the work laptop. My work laptop is located in my house and I would like to travel out of the state without carrying a work laptop. But my office networking guys always monitor my location by checking my IP address and I cant use Team viewers or RDP or VPN routers to access my laptop due to security policies and VPN connection. So I would like to use the PI KVM to access my work laptop remotely But I am a little afraid to do that because of the office security policy configured in my laptop. 1. I would like to know, Does my office IT security know if I connect this Pi KVM to my offie laptop?. 2. How does my work laptop recognize the Pi KVM HDMI and USB when connected to the laptop?. 3.Does my office laptop recognize the Pi KVM as a suspicious device?. Could you please help me with my situation?
i'm going to build one and hook it up to my old java or usb license powered/backed dell IP KVMs. in theory id have 16+ port HTML 5 KVM power houses!!! if it works.
hmm i totally get why these things exist. on the other hand, there are tons of 19"" multi port kvm´s with network access for older/non-compliant "servers" - and there is the 100$/€advanced iLo/imm/xclarity/rmm whatever license and you are good to go without needing extra stuff. i am all for going cheap, but going cheap and then spending extra defeats the purpose....
Typically you use the Spiders in a one to many configuration. So a colocation provider (as an example) may have 100's of servers from customers but then a handful of the Spider KVMs to bring to whichever rack/ customer needs remote access. But you are right. For traditional servers these days most have BMCs which has put pressure on the rack KVM market.
@@arch1mede925 some do cost 200-300 yes, some do 100-150, with taxes, but why would i care about taxes? yes network kvm´s cost money, yet you can hook up 10, 20 or 30 servers to one, so? they are not bound to that one server. if they get obsolete, you plug the new one, without extra cost then.
@@majstealth These are 2 very different issues, IPKVM's are VERY expensive. Other than single server access, you are always going to run into issues when faced with defective equipment. That IPKVM is only good while its working, when its not, now all 20-30 are non accessible. Different environments require different equipment
That feels like too many dongles. For that price, would be far more appealing If it was an actual black box, with integrated ports for everything. Maybe using a pi4 compute model.
The devs just released TinyPilot Voyager 2 which integrates the power switch into the main unit. Naturally it was released 2 weeks after I purchased the v1, but I'm not complaining -- my Voyager 1 is working nicely.
OK, I do like this channel and Patrick's reviews however, you can tell by the following I'm just not an "IT" guy. For example, I don't understand the necessity of this device being reviewed. Is it for laptops or workstations. The footprint of a laptop or workstation is large enough why do I need more devices to squeeze into that area and plug into a computer that should be configured with all the things these little gizmos do?. Are these upgrading old units without certain ports or downgrading new systems without certain ports. My interest started with the mini micro workstations and now these little guys. Why not buy a system with all of this built in? They all look needed and great but is there a simple answer as to why they are needed? Patrick you do an awesome job but are definitely talking way above my head with a tremedous amount of detail - so anybody, why are these the latest things since sliced bread. For networking with servers? I don't do that.
Then why are you watching an "IT" video? The necessity is to allow troubleshooting of servers and laptops from remote locations without needing to hook up an additional monitor/kb/mouse locally and talking someone through what you want to do.
@@arch1mede925 arch, I watch to learn, especially with technology growing fast to see if I need to upgrade my equipment with devices like these or buy new. And for advise from people in the know like yourself, Your comments are exactly what I was looking for in application of these devices . Thanks for your explanation .
@asdrubale bisanzio thanks your explanation it really helps, I follow Patrick to see if the devices he shows will help my equipment needs. As I don't work in an evironment with servers, it looks like I'm OK. Thanks again for the help.
@asdrubale bisanzio Well... "Always" should be more like "most commonly" these days, but I've had plenty of servers without any sort of BMC (baseboard management controller, for those who aren't familiar with the acronym) over the decades, just VGA and USB ports (sometimes PS2 ports, which were the big thing 20 years ago and prior). And if the OP is starting a homelab with, say, an 8-10 year old Dell or HP server off ebay, then it's not likely to have BMC.
Genuinely disappointed at the number of people shilling for TinyPilot when it is a rip off of the better, open source pikvm. The guy literally uses libs from pikvm.
We will do the Pi-KVM solution when it is available (already being arranged.) We purchased this TinyPilot solution in November. There is a big difference between a DIY solution and one businesses can buy turnkey like the Spider. Pi-KVM has interesting software, but it is still DIY
Highly suggest you look into pikvm.org .. main reason is this has all that TinyPilot has, and more.. It's cheeper ($130) when released, and can support KVM switches so you can buy just one and attach it to a physical kvm switch so you don't need to keep buying one and dedicating an ip to like 5-12 of them in a rack. Check out this pre-release review - th-cam.com/video/dTchVKxx7Fo/w-d-xo.html
FYI, that 130$ is for the HAT ONLY, you will still need to get a RPi4 and case, however that HAT combines multiple items you would normally have to source and wait for all in 1 nice neat pcb.
My Dad manages tons of remote servers at tower sites... this may be a great little tool for him, thanks for highlighting it! (PiKVM might also be a nice option).
I love my PiKVM use it Everyday!
From what I've seen PiKVM looks better and/or cheaper. Haven't tried any f the two out yet, though. But I am waiting for the PiKVM to be available to buy.
This project is also 2x the price compared to the PiKVM.
Jeff - you help make TinyPilot work! The device runs nginx, and we install it using the nginx Ansible role you developed. Thanks for all your contributions to the open source community! github.com/tiny-pilot/ansible-role-nginx
@@tinypilotkvm Ustreamer from the Pi-KVM projects needs to be credited for making TP work.
we need more intros like that, especially with the good weather. Would also suggest adding some beach and palm tree backgrounds
Beach shots in this one at 23:45
Hey Patrick, this is guys from comments.
Ha! Great.
The PiKVM may be more DIY, but it has the option to integrate with the ATX buttons/LEDs (power, reset, power LED, HDD actvity). Their full hardware solution should be shipping soon according to the website and github. Also they have an additional addon board that might work for your M1 MAC's issue of not liking the emulated storage device.
Totally hope to do the PiKVM when their hardware comes out.
Howdy there! I'm new here but I have a small suggestion that I think would help elevate your videos a little bit. Once in a while when you make a cut, you're losing the last few miliseconds of a word, sometimes you drop the last letter of a word altogether. To resolve this I recommend making J and L cuts that preserves your audio and maybe even overlap the audio tracks a couple frames a hair. If you do try this out, I recommend having the video cut occur slightly after the next audio track kicks in, this really helps reduce the jarring nature of jump cuts. This method will allow your edits to remain tight and keep the pace running without losing audio clarity. Excellent video, I look forward to more! :)
I have two tiny mini micro servers that I manage with the PiKVM and a standard HDMI KVM for switching servers. Perfect for the home lab where I can tolerate anything finicky. Absolutely love it and it meets my needs at a low cost of entry.
Will you be taking a look at PiKVM, the Open-Source equivalent of TinyPilot?
Perhaps in the future. As mentioned, the TinyPilot code is on Github as well. When this was purchased (~November 2020) TinyPilot was turnkey whereas PiKVM was more DIY. I know that is changing. It is also a big deal to have a turnkey solution including hardware when trying to displace something like Spiders.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo In environments that do have those lantronic spiders, you are also paying for a support structure within environments that would not view TP/PiKVM as long term solutions
I find the pikvm superior to the tiny pilot in most every way.
The reason the other USB ports are not used for the virtual HID is because the RPi only supports USB device mode on the USB-C connection. For the HID emulation to work on the other ports, some form of controller would be required (like an Arduino). Honestly, if the box was made slightly larger, much of this hardware could likely be included inside and internally wired. This is getting into commercial development levels of effort though.
That box on the usb-c port is important, because all those other USB ports are host ports and if you connect them to the server it might fry your systems. USB A/B is directional! (Yes, there is also USB-on-the-go, but not on the Pi)
For tinkerers, Waveshare has an epaper screen HAT with 4 buttons that allows you to build a pretty nice on device menu for this with a bit of Python. I personally used it to have a reset button and to enable/disable a wifi hotspot and display the password.
From what I know this is a cut-down version of Pi-KVM in a nice kit form. I'd compare it to the original as that project is also working on integrating their solution into a user-friendly package.
Great way to shout out a very entrepreneurial SBC community member. Also I would like to shout out NovaSpirit Tech for partnering with this project as well. Good job YT SBC community!
It has to use the USB-C port on the Pi4 because that is the only port that supports USB-OTG. Unfortunately, that port is only USB2 speed-wise.
Odd that media mounting wouldn't be available in the open-source version. It is a really basic part of PI USB OTG stuff, and has been possible for at least a couple years with the Pi Zero. You can do read-write file system images, too, as long as you are careful that only the USB port can make changes to the image.
At this point, 2 years afterwards, and maybe a bit more, I would still think that the PIKVM is the better option, using a kit option such as the Geekworm version A3 although assembly is required. Now, is it an enterprise solution ? I don't know; it probably would not make the cut where I work, but that's largely because work wants 100% control; and aren't particularly fans of anything that can't be purchased with support. But for a home lab, it's going to be fine.
I thought the USB-C port on the Rpi4 was power only! This is such an exciting discovery.
Thumbs up for the music on the product b roll! 😊🎵
I am very sneaky!
Catch 22 with usb powered KVM :) - nice one. Funny enough I was also recently looking at console servers and KVMs based on Raspberry PI. Good stuff to save money :).
Appreciate the detailed review, you even tried it on a Mac-nice! 👍
Brand new 10GbE M1 Mac Mini and the brand new Xilinx Kria development kit!
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Awesome!
the music is great, keep doing you
A UPS hat on one of these, so it could run for a few hours/days without power, would be amazing.
Can recommend to have a look on BifrostConnect for IP KVM over LAN/WiFi/4G and support the Apple M1 over USB-C
$160-300 is still too high of a price for such a solution which does not appear to control the power cycle of the machine.
So, the way I have been doing it using this at home (albeit unusual I have so many ~1L PCs and development boxes) is actually using an Alexa plug so I can power cycle by voice along with this for KVM.
would be nice to see a poe option for a device like this
I used a standard PoE Hat on mine, works well much neatter looking with only 3 cables, network, usb to device and hdmi to device.
i want to see this as a pcb and all in one thing with a CM4
Patrick, that's USB port capture shenanigans on MacOS at boot up, 21:09. Use USB hub from the Mac then see what happens.
Really really good review, thank you.
At 08:28 and finally at 23:45, you sir have quite an imagination about the people who watch your channel ;-)
Looking at this, I see spaghetti cabling and multiple blocks. Raspberry Pi has gipo connecters, plus other connectors. Why can't the blocks be not combined, IE a taller optional expansion case. The top of the case taking a DC power in USB or otherwise, and outputting VGA and or additional HDMI with an additional data USB connection.
Or even go the whole hog, and the rider unit can take mains voltage via the figure of 8 conector IE VHS mains voltage conector doubling the volume of the whole expanded unit but greatly reducing the spaghetti wirings? IE the rider unit has a compact high efficiency PSU, with the appropriate ports to remote KVM and power cycle the attached server or workstation?
I didn't notice a file manager so presumably there is another way to upload iso's to the SD card...ssh, scp? Also, a virtual drive mapped to the client pc would be a huge step in the right direction.
the upload button brings up a screen for that in your browser. You can also SCP an image or download directly using wget/ curl through a SSH session
I too always log in to my servers in my bathing suit and scuba gear. It's a lifestyle, basically.
I actually did that one time on a boat in the Cayman Islands (but that was stock footage.)
I guess the Tinypilot needs to just used a known USB HID ID for their virtual mouse device so MacOS recognizes it as a real mouse.
Make sure that you also take a look at Pi-KVM:
pikvm.org/
It does the same thing, cheaper and open source.
Will do but this is also open source as mentioned in the video github.com/mtlynch/tinypilot
I wonder how does it compare in terms of latency to more expensive solutions like the ATEN KN1000A?
We use the Lantronix Spiders (similar idea) and it is fairly similar latency.
Ok, now what i want to do is go to a board manufacturer, and have them make a 24 port USB-C "backplane" switch for a 2u chassis, somehow have an integrated 1g network switch for the USB-C backplane, and power the backplane with a 750w SFX with fanless operation to power laptops that may be connected, Add a pi4 to switch between the USB-C ports and add iKVM functionality, either directly connect the USB-C to a USB-C port on laptops/desktops, or break it out into VGA+USB+network with converter cables, no need to have a seperate power adapter for the converter cable and laptop power, very useful for higher ed where we're often buying/re-imaging up to hundreds of machines each year.
Personally i'd only use something like this when i buy/build new labs, but some places bring machines back to a central location to re-image.
I'd normally re-image a lab over the network, but if i need to make BIOS updates changes i might want one of these KVMs to speed up the process, and to be able to sit down at a central workstation instead of getting up and down multiple times for each 24 machines in a lab
Were you able to get tinypilot (voyager 2) working targeting a macbook pro? Seems like the keyboard & touch doesn't seem to work out of the box.
Multiple devises and cables seems to create a lot of possible failure point. The connections don't seem intuitive at first glance, which could increase accidental disruption and slow troubleshooting.
hey pal, do i have to be in the same network to use it? or i can set it into a server at my mother's garage and control it from another place?
Not an M1 incompatibility per se - every new mac since Big Sur forces you to connect physical io before they boot OOBE.
Been driving me bonkers for a while now (dozens of rebuilds a month).
I also just keep an old Dell wired mouse handy. They need a keyboard too. The Dell one doesn't work so I keep a wired mac slim kb handy... but it sounds like this kvm works as a keyboard for OOBE at least :-)
What is the definition of "Remote". Can it be accessed from another connection ?. Example : Can I access it while traveling ?
You can if you have it setup for that application. I would usually just VPN in and connect to it.
Nice product, but unfortunately no use if:
1) server is running your router (eg. pfsense VM), in a home/small office environment, and you want to access it over WAN.
2) you want to use it for remote assistance (eg. to an elderly person) where the local person needs to see the screen too
So I'd love to see an enhanced model with:
a) an extra NIC, allowing it to work as a WAN passthru (with packet filtering to implement KVM functions)
b) a second HDMI port, mirroring what is input to the current one
I'd also love to see one of these implemented as a PCIe (and maybe someday M.2) card, to be able to add remote KVM to a server without all the cables, and with greater performance (a virtual PCIe GPU doesn't need to do continual pixel-level change detection)
1) You still can, IF your a decent admin
2) Yes, see above
3) PiKVM can do this through the usb
4) PiKVM + Loop device can do this, 20-30$
@@arch1mede925 Sorry but this doesn't make any sense. The WAN port on my microserver (passed thru to router VM) *has* to go to the cable modem/ISP to establish a WAN session then communicate on it. So where would a TinyPilot then go to allow that microserver to be fully KVMed from the WAN, even if it's completely down?
@asdrubale bisanzio Software solutions are no use if (say) the OS won't start. Of course a separate HDMI splitter would be something to try, but how would that work if the KVM HDMI capture port wants to operate at a different resolution to the physical monitor?
for typing in remote system do i have to use virtual keyboard ? or i can use my keyboard ? you did not type something in remote system that i can see
Micro SD cards come in up to 1TB capacity these days. 256GB A2-rated cards are $45 on Amazon. Sounds like he needs to offer larger capacities or the ability to store additional ISO media images on an external USB drive connected to the TinyPilot.
You might be one of the last people still saying "HTML5" 😝
you can make KVM from any old smartphone
The unsupported OS of an older phone s a risk that should be identified and evaluated before using one to grant remote access.
Wish I could find something like this at this price point that does multiple within a single device. I use Intel NUCs for my home server labs.
maybe you could use a cheap non-ip kvm to hook up multiple nucs and instead of a monitor and keyboard/mouse you hook up a tinypilot… it should work as long the kvm can be switched via the keyboard and not via physical bitton
My desktop uses a VGA port, simply because I don't do anything on it that needs more then that, and I have an old Compaq KVM that works with VGA. (It also has PS/2-USB convertors because of that old KVM).
My point here is desktops still have and use VGA. I'm not a gamer, so a VGA is plenty.
I wonder if it can manage itself? manage-ception
You can manage another one. Did not try manage-ception though :)
So the one downside I see for using this with workstation grade hardware is the lack of physical power control. If the hardware locks up, it will require an 'in person' visit.
Remotely switched PDUs for the data center and I actually use Alexa plugs for home for this.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo The TPlink plugs is probably what I'll end up doing too.
It would just be nice to have this be an option for the TinyPilot. A hardwired relay via an expansion box, rather than reliance on the cloud and and another independently (wirelessly) connected device.
I would probably rather spend an additional $100 and have it be an optional plug-and-play solution rather than rolling my own.
This video begins to be interesting at 23:50.
Why is that?
Bikinis !
I'll take a Lantronix Spiderduo over TinyPilot any day.
Re: using a USB mouse to make MacOS think a mouse is attached, wouldn't a Logitech Unifying stub work too and take less space? I imagine quite a lot of people have some of those lying around unused.
After reviewing 30+ TinyMiniMicro nodes, many coming with mice/ keyboards, plenty hanging around
Too bad it isn't cheaper. Would love to not have to go down into the dungeon to do direct access, but $300 is seriously steep for what is only a convenience feature in a home setup. If they could get the pricing down to ~$100 for hobbyist usage, I'd be all over it.
Hey Patrick,
thanks for being awesome ;) I love your video's! I hope you're going to check out π-KVM as well. You should be able to just reuse the tiny pilot for that. It's a lot more advanced than tiny pilot and even implements the BMC protocol. I've seen someone use it with MaaS. Super awesome!
Hoping to do this when I can get their kit.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo will you also try out Ipmi and MaaS? That would be awesome! ❤️
Hello, does it work on WAN ?
PLEASE don't let Patrick edit videos. I cannot handle any more lounge music!!! 😩
It still has bugs. You can see one leaving at 0:10. 😁
Ha! Small bug! I saw that reviewing the footage but thought that it added character! Good catch.
this was an interesting video
Cool, but $100 more than a PiKVM project and less features (remote LEDs, remote power off/on). Nice thing is that it is pre-built. But 5 minutes of work to build a PiKVM from scratch, YMMV.
Probably going to do the PiKVM video soon now that I have been using it for a few months. Even using both I am now personally at 3 TinyPilots, including the new more integrated one, and still only one PiKVM. You are right about functionality. If it was actually 5 minutes, it would be 3 PiKVMs and 1 TinyPilot.
I need some information on how does this Pi KVM works on the work laptop.
My work laptop is located in my house and I would like to travel out of the state without carrying a work laptop. But my office networking guys always monitor my location by checking my IP address and I cant use Team viewers or RDP or VPN routers to access my laptop due to security policies and VPN connection.
So I would like to use the PI KVM to access my work laptop remotely But I am a little afraid to do that because of the office security policy configured in my laptop.
1. I would like to know, Does my office IT security know if I connect this Pi KVM to my offie laptop?.
2. How does my work laptop recognize the Pi KVM HDMI and USB when connected to the laptop?.
3.Does my office laptop recognize the Pi KVM as a suspicious device?.
Could you please help me with my situation?
"You won't click on the wrong thing..." as often.
I said you, because I certainly still click the wrong thing :-)
I only knew about the Pi-KVM, does anyone have a comparison Pi-KVM vs TinyPilot?
We will review the Pi-KVM once we get the hardware. Right now Pi-KVM is still more DIY but has great features
Alternative is pikvm
i'm going to build one and hook it up to my old java or usb license powered/backed dell IP KVMs. in theory id have 16+ port HTML 5 KVM power houses!!! if it works.
hmm i totally get why these things exist. on the other hand, there are tons of 19"" multi port kvm´s with network access for older/non-compliant "servers" - and there is the 100$/€advanced iLo/imm/xclarity/rmm whatever license and you are good to go without needing extra stuff. i am all for going cheap, but going cheap and then spending extra defeats the purpose....
Typically you use the Spiders in a one to many configuration. So a colocation provider (as an example) may have 100's of servers from customers but then a handful of the Spider KVMs to bring to whichever rack/ customer needs remote access. But you are right. For traditional servers these days most have BMCs which has put pressure on the rack KVM market.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo so are you charged for the plugging of the spider from one to the other server?
Those KVM's are thousands of dollars, most of the license that I have seen require enterprise license that cost 300$+
@@arch1mede925 some do cost 200-300 yes, some do 100-150, with taxes, but why would i care about taxes?
yes network kvm´s cost money, yet you can hook up 10, 20 or 30 servers to one, so? they are not bound to that one server. if they get obsolete, you plug the new one, without extra cost then.
@@majstealth These are 2 very different issues, IPKVM's are VERY expensive. Other than single server access, you are always going to run into issues when faced with defective equipment. That IPKVM is only good while its working, when its not, now all 20-30 are non accessible. Different environments require different equipment
That feels like too many dongles. For that price, would be far more appealing If it was an actual black box, with integrated ports for everything. Maybe using a pi4 compute model.
The devs just released TinyPilot Voyager 2 which integrates the power switch into the main unit. Naturally it was released 2 weeks after I purchased the v1, but I'm not complaining -- my Voyager 1 is working nicely.
no one asks about latency?
OK, I do like this channel and Patrick's reviews however, you can tell by the following I'm just not an "IT" guy. For example, I don't understand the necessity of this device being reviewed. Is it for laptops or workstations. The footprint of a laptop or workstation is large enough why do I need more devices to squeeze into that area and plug into a computer that should be configured with all the things these little gizmos do?. Are these upgrading old units without certain ports or downgrading new systems without certain ports. My interest started with the mini micro workstations and now these little guys. Why not buy a system with all of this built in? They all look needed and great but is there a simple answer as to why they are needed? Patrick you do an awesome job but are definitely talking way above my head with a tremedous amount of detail - so anybody, why are these the latest things since sliced bread. For networking with servers? I don't do that.
Then why are you watching an "IT" video? The necessity is to allow troubleshooting of servers and laptops from remote locations without needing to hook up an additional monitor/kb/mouse locally and talking someone through what you want to do.
@@arch1mede925 arch, I watch to learn, especially with technology growing fast to see if I need to upgrade my equipment with devices like these or buy new. And for advise from people in the know like yourself, Your comments are exactly what I was looking for in application of these devices . Thanks for your explanation .
@asdrubale bisanzio thanks your explanation it really helps, I follow Patrick to see if the devices he shows will help my equipment needs. As I don't work in an evironment with servers, it looks like I'm OK. Thanks again for the help.
@asdrubale bisanzio Well... "Always" should be more like "most commonly" these days, but I've had plenty of servers without any sort of BMC (baseboard management controller, for those who aren't familiar with the acronym) over the decades, just VGA and USB ports (sometimes PS2 ports, which were the big thing 20 years ago and prior). And if the OP is starting a homelab with, say, an 8-10 year old Dell or HP server off ebay, then it's not likely to have BMC.
Mo music. Please!! 😂
Genuinely disappointed at the number of people shilling for TinyPilot when it is a rip off of the better, open source pikvm. The guy literally uses libs from pikvm.
We will do the Pi-KVM solution when it is available (already being arranged.) We purchased this TinyPilot solution in November. There is a big difference between a DIY solution and one businesses can buy turnkey like the Spider. Pi-KVM has interesting software, but it is still DIY
The spider is like 800 bucks!
299?! yeah just get the pikvm. Kind of questionable how some other guy is now profiting from the work of the pikvm ustreamer open source project.
Highly suggest you look into pikvm.org .. main reason is this has all that TinyPilot has, and more.. It's cheeper ($130) when released, and can support KVM switches so you can buy just one and attach it to a physical kvm switch so you don't need to keep buying one and dedicating an ip to like 5-12 of them in a rack. Check out this pre-release review - th-cam.com/video/dTchVKxx7Fo/w-d-xo.html
FYI, that 130$ is for the HAT ONLY, you will still need to get a RPi4 and case, however that HAT combines multiple items you would normally have to source and wait for all in 1 nice neat pcb.
349.99
WHAT
Verrry interrresting....
$299 lmao