I put a computer in my computer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 มิ.ย. 2024
- The BliKVM PCIe lets you put a computer in your computer so you can control it from any computer.
Currently it's only for sale via AliExpress: www.aliexpress.com/item/32568...
My other Pi-based KVM videos:
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#RaspberryPi #Homelab
Contents:
00:00 - A computer in my computer
01:34 - PCI Express... sorta
02:59 - Installation
03:47 - Intro to PiKVM
07:43 - Remote FPS Gaming?
09:34 - Better Call... PAUL?
10:43 - They thought of everything!
11:43 - Other Pi-based KVMs - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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here is your thumby award for best thumbnail on a youtube video 🏆
I rarely comment but I was going to say the same thing. =)
@@iScherma i reference yo dawg all the time to my freinds and they have no idea of the meme.
glad to see Jeff knows!
the thumbnail game and the emotional damage hits you twice!!! :D
Dude nailed the "yo dawg" meme, I want a blank of it to use as a reaction gif for when somebody references something really well
Agreed
Technically this would be incorporating a full blown GPU into a Pi Rig, right?
Wait... yeah! Reverse-GPU-functionality, just taking in the pixels instead of generating them, lol.
@@JeffGeerling I love
@@JeffGeerling That is really big. This gives the pi unexplored and unbridled amounts of power to play with
@@pendragonscode RaspberyPI + HDMI input + Security Camera + Toilet
Or scratch the toilet, just put it outside.
@@hubertnnn No no….
*leave the toilet in, and add another 5 just for the heck of it.*
Alternate title: Computerception.
XD Faster than me. LOL
That thumbnail is art. Like, you should sell framed prints of that as merch. I would buy it and hang it on my wall.
Please DOOOOOOOO
Glad to see you back, Jeff. Hope you're feeling much better.
I've just developed an even greater appreciation of your IT knowledge and excellent communication skills. Somehow, you manage to break down the most complex technologies into plain language for average folks like myself.
The previous video was regarding how to make a simple split rail PSU, but the delivery required an EE degree to comprehend. So, what's the point of instructing those folks, who already understand engineering lingo, how to SMD solder?
As it happens, I actually need a noise-free +/-9VDC split supply for my galvos' op amp circuit. But, that video only wasted my time.
On the other hand, I always learn stuff from your videos, even though the immediate need doesn't exist for me personally. But, the knowledge didn't just pass in one ear and out the other. Those tidbits of retained knowledge are potential tools for future successes.
Thanks for all your great work, Jeff.👍
I love how you provide a bunch of varied content on this channel. Very interesting keep up the good work
5:00 you should use an hdmi splitter for the main hdmi port so you get it on both the main screen and your kvm without having to go duplicate the screen
This is the correct solution. That way you can also access the system bios/efi page for installs etc.
One of the most important parts of out-of-band kvm access is the ability to work on the server when the underlying OS is hosed.
@@zakpappnase Wouldn't that restrict your main monitor to the same 1080p the blikvm can handle? Not an issue in most servers, and my own machine also doesn't exceed that, but here will be people out there for whom that's not the solution.
@@sourcererseven3858 my main monitor is Displayport so when i use HDMI connected projector with main screen turned off it's working fine, i can even go into bios on any of them. But i guess HDMI devices don't report their state, so this trick would work only with DP monitor.
@@sourcererseven3858 There are HDMI distribution amps that have a scaler built in, e.g. CE Labs UHD260. You can input 4K60 4:4:4 to it and get 1080p out of one of the output ports.
Or you shouldn't use a screen on your server at all.
Glad to see you making videos again... I remember fitting a 386 for extra storage in my old full size 486 case using a laplink cable. Good to see things have moved on from those days :)
I've used addon IP KVM devices before but the ATX connectors really takes this to the next level, bravo!
Yo dawg I heard you liked computers so I computered your computer so you can computer while computering
Obligatory joke.
I just discovered this channel and already found my binge-watching home for the weekend 🙂
Dang the Pi KVM is pretty sweet! Thank you for this video Jeff. Also I hope you're still getting better.
(Pedantry warning) Technically in a server this would be a BMC (baseboard management controller), IPMI is a protocol used to interact with BMCs. Dell calls it iDRAC, HP calls it iLO, SuperMicro calls it something Super I can't remember. Sysadmins still usually call BMC/LoM/and everything else associated with this stuff "IPMI" though because sysadmins are lazy (at least, this sysadmin is lazy). Awesome video as always, glad you're feeling better!
We're not lazy, just energy efficient.
Lazy === efficient!
I wonder if sysadmins will start calling them Redfishes as the IPMI protocol gets deprecated in favour of Redfish
@@rwantare1 Names has a dendancy to stick. At one time we burned fuses inside PROM memories, so we later started to burn CD etc.
It's only when someone sees a way to make money by tricking people we get quick changes in names. LED TV instead of LCD TV just because the backlight changed to LED.
Don't forget the special special group of folks that call is SoL - since it uses Serial over LAN communications. Of course SOL stands for other things too, since you're very likely S%#! out of Luck if you're using it. And I learned early on that Smart Lazy ppl are actually great workers - they will find ways to do what needs to be done with as little effort as possible.
I've been hunting for an ASRock Paul card but they've been either really expensive (eBay) or never in-stock (Newegg). This looks like what I've been looking for my own home lab. Thank you Jeff! Hope you're feeling better than a month ago.
The PAUL was indeed the main thing I remembered seeing when I decided to ask blicube if they would consider making this board in January. Availability for the PAUL has been very dismal, even worse than getting a Pi this year!
@@JeffGeerling I think the main difference is the ASRock PAUL doesn't need a separate GPU to operate. I was hoping this blicube had a bare minimum onboard GPU so it would work on a system without integrated graphics/dedicated GPU, or just reduce the need for an external HDMI connection
@@JeffGeerling hey Jeff any comments on how "powerful" a Rpi you need for it to run well? is the smallest model enough or should you go higher ram?
👆he recoverd my file 2day ago
I love that name, just "Paul". I've been wanting to get my hands on an ASRock Steve myself (/s) 🤣
Your channel is really amazing, many of the products you introduce are really close with what I have imagined! Because I am a hardware fan who builds data centers for software development at home :D
Thanks for covering this. I've heard of them, but I never saw them in action. This really helps me to understand where they fit into an usage case, such as in cloud / server situations.
The thumbnail for this video is god-tier.
Looks like you're starting to feel better. Stay healthy and stay techy!
hi Jeff, glad that you are well and back online. Stay healthy🖖🏻
First video from you I've ever seen, instantly subscribed. I'm a beginner at networking. I LOVE all the terms and how you explain them.
This is what TH-cam should be about: excellently presented new information I haven't heard about and without you probably never would have. Thank you!
nice... I did look into these a couple of years back to go into my gaming pc and do remote gaming (when I had to move it away from the desk as it took up too much room for it + monitors + work laptop)... not for use of streaming the game, but turning the pc on, login and fixing issues with steam remote play
Great video Jeff! Good to see you looking a lot better!
So nice to see you good and well and posting again Jeff! 😊
4:02 When I was a teenager, my friends and I used to go war driving in the middle of the night; nothing malicious though.
We would drive to the parking lot of a big apartment complex and start a 10 minute timer.
Each if us had a "Call sign" for the night. They were usually WD1,WD2,WD3 and WD4.
The goal was to see who could log into the most wifi routers, and change the router ID to their call sign.
Once the 10 minute timer was up, we would use a NET STUMBLER tool to log all of the near by WiFi routers as we drove away. Then when we, "got back to home base", we would see the most "WD" 's.
Looking back, the funny part was just how paranoid we were about every car or person we would see. Every car head lights we saw someone would shoot, "COPS!".
I got the Pi KVM 3.0 Hat for the Pi 4 back in Feb 2022. It is working great on my home server. I like this format for the Pi-KVM since it consolidates some of the cabling on the inside of the PC and the useful POE power. The only caveat is the shortage on Pi4's and the markups. I bit the bullet and bought the package with the marked up Pi4 compute. That was still cheaper than the Pi KVM 3.0 Hat setup.
It'll be a lot more palatable once the shortage eases up. Someday...
I got the Pi KVM 3.0 Hat as well. It's been a lifesaver for me.
yeah, no Zero 2 W or even Zero W anywhere :(
@@noahluppe Yep and I've been trying everywhere. Plenty of PICO tho including the wireless version. lol.
@@JeffGeerling have you done an interview with someone from Pi Foundation yet ? Maybe that would be a great idea and maybe get some idea on how things are with shortages and what the origin is and how they think things might play out and if they'll be able to get enough capacity at the factory again.
Glad you are doing well and making videos again!
Absolutely amazing videos and channel man! keep it up 💪🏽
I had another TH-camr put a NAS inside of a NAS. It was pretty neat. Maybe I'll have Jeff put a NAS inside of a NAS that's inside of another NAS.
This is starting to remind me of that crazy Christopher Nolan movie, "INCEPTION."
Soo... you are TH-cam's puppeteer or god?
@@TheOleHermit No. I work for a tech company. I send product to some TH-camrs for review from time to time.
@@MarcoGPUtuber Ahh, I see. But, that's not what your comment indicated, is it? Sounds more like you're some kind of a control freak, doesn't it?
Thank you for taking the time to clarify. Words matter.
😎
@@TheOleHermit hahaha it coud be interpreted two ways I guess. But yeah. I'm the guy who sent Jeff the NAS. No. I don't interfere editorially when people receive the NAS. Yes, this is my personal account and I am still a fan of the cool pi projects.
This is actually awesome, makes it even easier to make old PCs into servers
Hope you are feeling better.
Keep up the good work.
This is awesome. Definitely going to check it out.
What a piece of work!Although I'd like PoE, I do have an 'always live' USB on the back of my VBox host server, and it would be easy to use for this. I've never been able to use Wake On Lan and this would help. Internal card is awesome. Not much different than setting up the 'high end' options like iLO. Thank you for finding the 'outside (or next to) the box' solutions...
I would have liked to see it use the PCIe's standby power but I guess it being 3.3V complicates things.
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 that and the fact that most mobos just kill pcie power when idle/off
@@chpoit True they kill the standard PCIe power. However pin 10 is 3.3V of standby power which it would be breaking the specs not to supply. It is what an Ethernet card would use to be able to do "Wake on Lan" for example. I have yet to see a motherboard that does not supply standby power as per the specification.
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 In order to maintain compatibility, the PCIe card slot is not used for power supply
This card has been amazing for my makerspace rack-mounted server. Dell IDRAC is an insecure punishment in comparison.
That said, there's a severe issue me and others have run into. The SD card slot touches some capacitors on the bottom of the CM4, and can short it out. Current solution is a piece of tape on top of the slot.
It's an easily fixable issue that may only be a problem for some, but you should know about it.
Oh wow, didn't even think about it but it is darn close, like 0.1mm. A tiny piece of kapton would probably solve the issue permanently. It would be great if the microSD slot was on the underside, but that would also mean another manufacturing step, since everything is mounted from the top.
@@JeffGeerling Everyone should own some kapton tape.
It's really close, but it won't hit, we'll consider putting some insulating tape on the SD card slot
@@JeffGeerling The processing technology is not a problem. We just think that the single-sided installation will look better, but it is not clear that some people will worry about the short circuit.
@@perwestermark8920 It's quite versatile! Plus you can say you have the same type of material they used on the spacecraft for the moon landings :D
Thanks for showing this pretty nice all-in-one piKVM solution! It seems pretty well thought through and the price seems fair for what you get. Really appreciate POE, that's shouldn't be taken for granted at that price. I do like how modular this whole piKVM project is though. If you just want to tinker around a bit at home or want to use it for setting up computers headlessly from time to time, then you can cheap out a lot. The lowest entry point seems to be the Pi Zero W with a HDMI USB or (better) CSI Adapter, but you will have to keep in mind, the Pi Zero has way less power. Usually getting 5 to 8 fps is a step back from the CM4s performance but is absolutely enough for administrative usage.
Good to see you Jeff! Glad you are reasonably well
This is an excellent form factor for the PiKVM, but I think it can go one step further. Instead of assuming that there's a GPU available, it could use the PCIe bus to run a super basic GPU (like SVGA basic) and feed the output of that directly to the RPi.
That would be even more awesome. Probably add a bit to the footprint of the card, but for a version 2, that would be a very cool feature.
At that point, you might as well design a whole BMC card around say AST2500/AST2600, and just run OpenBMC on it.
^ He is right. This is literally the cheapest low common denominator solution you can get without having to design a custom FPGA, and/or without signing NDAs (means opensource) and having to buy 500k on chips, which wouldn't be available anyways due current silicon scarcity. Anything else will involve more costs, FPGAs and/or capitulating to ASPEED.
@@hyoenmadan Ah that stinks. I was expecting a solution for that to be readily available. A open source BMC card does sound like an interesting idea though.
Been thinking the same thing for some time now. Don't need to run games on my server, just the very occasional interaction with the BIOS and debugging boot up issues. I know it should be possible to link PCI-E to an FPGA running a simple GPU core; with the frame buffer being output to CSI2-MIPI for the Pi. Main issue I have though, I have no knowledge about how a PC outputs to a display/PCI-E specs.
It might be a good idea to use a HDMI splitter to split the signal transparently, with EDID setting set to clone display 1 (which would be the actual physical display). But then it's kinda doubtful whether that would work well for capturing the BIOS setting menu.
Yo Dawg!! I actually laughed out loud at that one!! Thanks for your passion that shows in your videos, and I hope you are feeling well.
This is pretty neat. Good find!!!
Excellent! I've been waiting for you to review this ever since you and your dad reviewed the original, non-PCIe BliKVM.
This solves so many issues for my home lab. I’m running consumer hw because of the power efficiency and the only boards with IPMI are almost impossible to find (AsRack)
You can get lower power server gear, am looking at Supermicro X10SLL as my second/third nodes for a HA setup, use Xeon E3 which is effectively the same as the consumer platform. Also has full blown IPMI, so you can monitor all sorts of things provided you have the connectivity.
11:28 Please be aware that this is great to add to a machine, but if you're building a machine Asrock Rack offers regular desktop motherboards with IPMI, i have an AMD X470 with IPMI and i was extremely surprized it came with an integrated GPU, i was expecting to need to use one of the AMD APUs which are lacking in performance compared to a CPU, but with a BIOS update i was able to stuff a 3950x into this compact mATX board without needing a dedicated video card(this is good, because i needed that PCIe slot for a 16 drive SAS HBA)
going into this i wasn't sure what it'd even be used for, but watching thru this actually seems incredibly convenient, seriously cool lil piece of kit
I DID comment how amazing this was but a little prematurely. After watching how you still have to connect the headers to the box to power it up, etc, etc. But still a good form factor for the pi-kvm. Thanks for the vid!
I remember trying to build a simple remote power switch with a pi and the only Forum entrance I found was answered with "This is stupid why would you like to do such a thing."
I even bought a small opto coupler but this forum answer made me loose all interest FAST so i didn't do it.
This is really interesting though i thought more functionality would be possible, like pcie for startup, cant pcie nics do that? also wouldnt it be possible to power it internally if you have one of those usb headers that you cant use for charging even if the pc is off?
PCIE would require to have it enabled pcie boot in UEFI. On the other way, shorting power button is fool-proof. And You can use 4-sec delay press to kill hang machine.
There is a 5V power supply interface inside the product, but we think that there are not many people who may need this function, so we do not emphasize it.
Meme thumbnails, the best thumbnails
Oh, you're feeling good enough to move more again? Super cool! Hope you continue to feel better :)
I can't find a cm4 to save my life!
"Sorry, this item is no longer available!" :( was actually thinking about getting something like this as I recently moved my lab over to cast-off optiplex machines as my old RX10-series servers are too loud and power hungry.
Please follow the link of aliexpress
Great content. I especially loved the humorous clip. good stuff
Dude!!! You're off the chain today! LOL Hope You are feeling better!
Cheers!
Judson & Buddy!!
Take a shot every time he says computer.
🍻
This might not be a good tool for game streaming (Valve kind of has that covered with the Steam Deck and the old Steam Link. nVidia has a solution as well.) BUT, this could come in handy if you're using an old junk PC to run a game server, like Minecraft. Likewise, I could see this being used for a NAS in a home environment, where you might not want the NAS up all the time.
A hardware streaming solution would allow streaming from anything that outputs HDMI but doesn't have it's own streaming capability - Switch/PS3/Xbox 360/Linux/macOS/etc. Being said, the Pi's CSI interface is limited to 1080p30, and latency even at 720p30 is still quite noticeable. It'd be cool as hell to see a Pi clone with a native HDMI input for use cases like this though.
@@corombb CM4 support 1080p60
so good to see you better Jeff, glad you're back
OMG, I missed you sooo much! Hope you're feeling better now! Greetings from Lithuania!
4:50 if you right click on the desktop and open display settings, you can duplicate your primary monitor to the PiKVM this is more useful than just hitting win+P and changing everything to mirror as this method only dpulicates the chosen monitors, allowing all other monitors to remain extended.
That's probably also more efficient than the way I did it!
@@JeffGeerling I dropped this comment before i got to the part where you mirrored the displays, it is in the same section so its not like the method i suggested would be any faster, but i think instead of "mirror displays" you select "duplicate #a and #b" or maybe it was "extend on #c"
Though really only useful if you plan to sit at your computer and use multiple monitors, either way would work for servers on a wiredKVM/single monitor desktop
Isn't a cm4 way overkill for something like that?
I’m gonna guess the horsepower is nessecary for the encoding the display image to send out over the network
Unlike in a real KVM ASIC, you don't have hardware offload for video stream processing. The cheap Toshiba encoder included in the card just sends a MJPEG raw stream to the RPi, and is the work of the RPi to stream it to the network and manage it. Check how he says the RPi actually gets hot enough to need fan, when he did the gaming test.
I was just trying to figure out how to do this a few weeks ago! Awesome video!
Great work Jeff, as always!
Uhm, actually, with Wake-on-PCIe enabled in the BIOS, you can wake the PC with a PCIe card. It would just require implementing a PCIe card, which is much more complex than what they did. Also: great to see YOU up and running again! :)
That's... actually true, completely forgot about that (and that's also how network cards can do WoL through PCIe). Not all motherboards support it, but that would be a fun addon. Maybe also pass through the network functionality to the computer too, but yeah... that adds a lot more complexity to this card.
The WoPCIe for a cheap solution like this one actually doesn't add too much value. Direct power on signal on the physical header actually does better on emergency reset or power on events, as it keeps working even if the chipset pcie bus went on hang on. If i remember, the PiKVM supports commands to do WoL from the interface using the built-in-host network card, which covers well WoL on home usage.
What would be more useful is a sort of interface to read from the actual state of the motherboard/chipset/cpu from the I20/SMBus, so the KVM would "know" if the system is completely in a hang on/critical/permanent reset state. Unfortunately most of consumer motherboards don't even have an I2O header.
OMG I was searching for something like this. Thanks
You just earned my subscription and like. Damn I'm learning in this video!
All your videos are very healthy . Keep it up !
Thank you for explaining in simple layman's terms ...... very interesting video .
Well done lad, well done.
I liked the video as soon as I clicked on your thumbnail!
It's sooo good hahahaha
Appreciate your ever present professionalism, Mr. Geerling. Here on YT it is a rarity, because of everyone's devotion to showbiz and click count.
Regards, and be well always
Anthony (from the UK)...
Hehe, "ever present professionalism", but did you look at the thumbnail!? :D
this looks so helpful for homelabs
I live in a very space-constrained apartment. Figuring out where to mount what is very much a challenge; basically "the Tetris lifestyle".
I have been wanting to put a RasPi INTO my PC case since I have all those open, unused slots there, which would be perfect to put something like this into!
Thank you for showing this off! Now here is hope that we will see ITX boards that can fit into regular PC or SFF cases to reuse some older shelved parts. :)
This may be the most badass thing ever
Glad to see you are feeling better Jeff.
This certainly looks fun to use!
Very interesting product. I've been using original pikvm enclosure since one year and appreciate all pikvm functions. But this device brings IPMI access to another level.
Very cool piece of kit
Awesome video it's funny that just running pin passthrough is that simple I want to do this so much lol
It's good to see you (presenting) healthy and well again! ❤️🩹
Always great jeff 🙏
Heh, the first thing that came to mind when you said you were going to put a computer into your computer was the hilarious juxtaposition of a CM4 module mounted to a McCake WaveBlaster Board mounted to an ISA SoundBlaster 16 circa 1994 inside a 486 DOS retro computer.
The CM4 in that case emulates a Roland MT-32 music synth and uses sound fonts for General MIDI music in DOS/Win95/Win98 games.
This is really neat and I'm definitely tempted to pick one up for the homelab. Cheers!
Another fantastic video
Finally I've been waiting for this
FINALLY!! Ive been wanting this for the last few years
And now you'll still be wanting this for a few years, unless you actually are able to source the CM4 somewhere...
The thumbnail is pure work of art 👌
This is amazing; although the gaming doesn't work well, it is still a big step. Thanks for sharing, Jeff; I like all your content.
That thumbnail alone is worth my like on this video, thanks for the smile Jeff!
5/5 stars for the thumbnail
Finally someone did it. I thought about this as soon as the cm4 came out.
Wow this is cool. I have been using pcs all my life but have yet to delve into hosting servers. This piece of tech is interesting enough to make me try.
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Very informative! And funny to see Jeff Sr. looks like you, but older
Glad to see you up and about Jeff! Pity that this little gem seems to be sold out on AliExpress by now.. I guess that’s the power of TH-cam ;).
New subscriber here, this video will blow up I hope. Great product great presentation thank you.
Glad to see your back! Hope your feeling well man. Drink lots of water !!!!
This is amazing omg i need this
Homeservers with consumer hardware just got a new boost and favourite piece of hardware :) Amazing!
Thanks for your sharing
I use my rpi the same way with a relay and some custom mounting. Nice one!
This is pretty neat. Wonder if I could get my boss onboard with even a few of these.
This is ideal for a full KVM where you need to proper access to a system from power down to the desktop. I need to look at something like this for when I'm out of country but need to access my system.
Thanks, Jeff. Snagged a couple of them and also snagged some extra CM4's on Digikey.
Dang, were they available today? Digikey is always weird with their stock.
@@JeffGeerling Yep, shocking I know!
I ordered 5, BlikVM is the best KVM over IP on the market