In terms of the initial formation of NWO I'd say it would probably be Hulk Hogan just because he'd never really been a heal, other than that weird angle where his mustache got shaved at the end of a match and he started dressing in black and acting evil. I think he might have even joined or aligned himself with the dungeon of doom, but other than that one time I don't think he'd even been a heal plus him also being an ex-WWF/WWE guy really helped tie the group together
The most valuable NWO member was Vince McMahon. Without him NWO consists of Sterling Gold, Oz and Diamond Studd. McMahon made those guys mega stars & made people wanna pay to see them.
My god I grew up on WCW as a kid. When I was 7 I was a huge wwf fan and the biggest hulk fan so when he went to wcw I jumped ship with him. The darkest day of my life was seeing hulk leg drop on macho revealing himself as the third man. I was crushed, but then wcw turned their back on sting, he becomes this crow like anti-hero. Was love at first sight. I loved him more than I ever loved hogan at any point which allowed me to appreciate hogan’s heel work. Both Sting and hogan were perfect for their roles. If anyone of them had done something different say goodbye to the 83 weeks thing and there’s no attitude era. For the first two or three years the NWO sting story is the greatest story ever told in wrestling. I’m sure there’s a lot of younger fans screaming at me that the bloodline thing is better but they have no clue. For three years all anyone wanted to do was tune into nitro or thunder to see what the NWO would do to cause chaos and what sting would do to combat that We tuned in for the NWO and sting but stayed for the cruiserweights. They were so 🔥 they were doing moves we’d never seen they revolutionized wrestling. I mean every wrestler has Incorporated all their moves into what they do. Everytime you see a wrestler perform a suicide dive outside the ring or that head scissors take down or any high flying move most of those are from the wcw cruiserweight division.
@ShadowAngel606 you know he's lying about either personally? I'm not saying he isn't or you're wrong. It's just like how would we know? Why lie about it?
@@youngmanic313 Because Bankrupt Bischoff knows he is a massive failure who screwed up time an time and time againa nd he's ashamed about it. So he tries to save face by lying and claiming nothing ever was his bad decision. It's that simple.
In his book “Controversy Creates Cash” he said Sting was tentatively on board but was gonna do it reluctantly. He said he didn’t know if Hulk was going to do it until he showed up at Bash At The Beach.
sting fighting the NWO is so much better than hogan fighting the NWO. i dont think it would have been as good and last as long as it did if hogan was the one fighting them. yea it went to long but still a better choice.
Man. I always hear different stories. Sullivan said Hogan stayed the night at his house before the PPV. Then, on legends of JBL, Hall & Nash said on their way to the ring - they didn’t know if Hogan was gonna do it AND if Hogan backed out at the last minute - they were going to buzz the referee - to tell Sting - it was gonna be him. I just watched the match last night and I was looking at Sting’s mannerisms - you would think he would look like a guy who was walking to the ring with a 50/50 thought of: “Man. It could be me. This could backfire badly.” But in all the WWE documentaries - Sting doesn’t remember any of this. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Also, Hogan screwed up the finish. He wasn’t supposed to throw the referee out of the ring - according to Hall. But I’m glad he did. Made it look better.
@@nostalgiaman6816 Throwing him out of the ring really did fit much better with what came later, not really caring about the official result (because he would just lie and say he won anyway) and running the show how he and they saw fit, not WCW's way.
@@mitch3384 Right. I’m just curious as to how much Sting knew. I mean… say Hogan backed out - he didn’t look prepared to turn heel. Can’t see the referee turning to Sting: “Hogan pussed out. Clock Savage and put him in the Scorpion Deathlock - then cut a 10 minute heel promo.” And honestly, from what Hall and Nash implied, they hadn’t even seen Hogan. Kevin Sullivan didn’t want anyone knowing or seeing him. Same with Bischoff and the announcers.
Everything that Bischoff said sounds legit. In summer of 96, he flies out to Hollywood to talk to Hogan about creative plans for the rest of the year for Hogan. Bischoff is there discussing the nWo plan with Hogan but never factored him in the plan in the first place because the year prior '95, Bischoff already tried to get Hulk to turn heel & he said no. Which is why Sting was originally Bischoff's choice. So for Hall & Nash to coincide the fact that Hogan doesn't wanna turn heel & has that creative control clause, it makes sense that they wasn't sure if Hogan was gonna walk out to the ring or not & that Sting was the backup plan just in case.
I'm glad Sting was not the 3rd guy because it would not have been much of big deal and would not have made people as interested in tuning in. Hulk was smart enough to realise the opportunity it presented. It also allowed Sting to evolve into the crow character years later which likely would never had happened had he joined NWO.
@@SEXYMAN71778 Which would've been a positive. Not only did he look like a fucking tomato, it also never made sense to begin with. Let alone the fact, that the Wolfpac was total crap.
@@ShadowAngel606 would it have been a shock? Yes it would. Would it have worked? No it would not. Sting cannot be a heel. It has never worked. WCW tried that in 1999 and that did not even last a month because it did not work. TNA tried it with the main event mafia and it did not work. The fans never accepted him as a heel. one of the reasons why it worked for Hogan is because he already had a portion of the crowd turning against him. It was never going to work for Sting.
It made sense that Hulk be the third member. All three from the WWF past and present are now attacking WCW guys. Then born the nWo and sting was great as the WCW guy against nWo...until the Wolfpack which makes sense too because they were against Hogan and the black and white nWo.
i always wondered what eric would of done if instead of joining the nwo hulk came back and was like ok brother me and brutus are going over clean on the outsiders at next ppv 😂
As much as i was into that Hulk Hogan character as a kid idolizing him and teen. The heel turn was such a shocker who couldve pictured the biggest babyface in wrestling history become heel. Awe it broke my heart and hated him at first. But just as he fit into that hero character he played Hollywood character so well almost like thats who he really was.
Macho was a wwf guy, luger was a wwf guy, konnan was a formmer wwf guy, syyx was a former wwf guy ect.... the point of the storyline was the faction was supposed to be wwf guys invading wcw
Give me a break. We wouldn't be talking about this if it was Sting instead of Hogan. It wouldn't have made ANYWHERE NEAR as many headlines if it was Sting. We wouldn't be talking to Bischoff. there wouldn't have been no 83 week streak or whatever it was. And the Attitude Era may not have happened to try to combat the nWo juggernaut.
Hogan was always first choice, WCW's most beloved hero joining the dark side would have been somewhat impactful but Mr. WWF, like it or not the most famous wrestler in the world joining two other top stars from New York to invade, was absolutely mammoth.
I still can't believe they almost went with Sting as the third man. Just wouldn't have worked at all. Savage was the much more logical back-up choice, imo.
That was one of the best PPVs I ever watched...at the time everybody was happy and cheering when Hulk came to the ring and then he does the leg drop on Savage and boy oh boy was everybody pissed. They started throwing stuff in the ring...even one fan tried to get in the ring and I think it was Scott Hall that nailed him. [n W o] 😎🤘
I always heard that another option that was pitched or at least briefly considered was Bret Hart. Who at the time was in the middle of listening to negotiations from both companies after his loss to Michaels at WM 12. Though he already knew he’d come back to WWF (E) at some point so it wouldn’t have worked anyway.
Hogan was ultimately best to lead nWo (simply due to completing the WWF trinity) Hogan didn't necessarily turn heel. He joined Outsiders to fight against the bland, cartoony bullshit state of wrestling. "I'm BORED BRRROTHER" Had Sting been third; it'd be due to fed up with Hogan's SUPERMAN act. Always coming in to SAVE THE DAY; Sting shoves Hogan into Nash. Nash powerbombs Hogan Nash motions to Sting Sting "pins" Hogan via confused count by referee
I’m gonna give huge credit to Hogan’s ability to become the biggest heel in professional wrestling history when he became Hollywood. The whole nWo run wouldn’t work if Sting was the third man at Bash at the Beach ‘96. Sting needed to reinvent himself and became the franchise WCW player who can beat the nWo and chase down Hogan which ended in Starrcade '97.
@@wingedhussar1453 Lol, another clueless mark. Even in 1995, when marks love to claim he was stale and got booed out of every building (nonsense), whenever he was on a PPV it sold 56% more than those PPV's without him. That's a fact.
@@wingedhussar1453 Bwahahahaha. "ain't much": From 1994 to 1997 the difference in PPV buys Hogan made, came out to about 50 million dollars of extra revenue for WCW. Not much, huh? Moron.
It wouldn’t have worked yet with Sting. Now when they said they had someone who was the foundation(Bischoff), that would’ve been the time to get Sting. But Hogan was the man you thought of when you said WWF back then. Hall & Nash we’re just working for WWF so it made sense for it to be Hogan.
"Well Brother, They Wanted me to be the other Road Warrior too don't ya know? They wanted me and Marty Jeanette to be the New Rockers Brother 😅😅😅 But Sting, Yeah brother. I took him to the Theater 1 day and next thing ya know he changed his face paint. 😅 I think the movie had Jackie Chan's Son 🤣🤷🏻😭
Sting wouldn’t have worked as well because he was not a known wwe guy which made more sense the outsiders were basically wwe taking over wcw and hulk was wwe golden boy
Damn it should have been Sting. He might have over saturated the NWO and it would have stayed around longer and exclusive. Who knows maybe WCW doesn't go to shit if Hulk never joins.
Kind of, it seemed as though the key NWO members were meant to be ex-WWF guys, though there was that promo where Hall, Nash and Hogan tried to convince Sting to join them, reasoning the WCW hadn't given him much reward for his years of service and suggesting that he was due for a change after playing the colourful babyface for so long. But Hogan being the leader made much more sense than Sting being leader.
Sting, Crow Sting as the leader of the NWO with the same quiet/rafters mystique. Having The outsiders & others as his henchmen while he only makes random/sudden appearances to reak havoc on WCW being the franchise turned villian 👀 only to finally sit at his NWO thrown and move with the group as a unit whenever he felt like it or even speak whenever he felt it was necessary 🔥😮💨 mannnn that would’ve been timeless and like nothing we’ve seen. Just the thought of it is bad ass 😂
Absolutely not, there is no chance for the nWo angle to gain any momentum if Sting was the 3rd guy. Don’t get me wrong, I have been a fan of Sting’s since 1987 when he was teaming with Rick Steiner and Eddie Gilbert as their manager/tag partner in the old UWF territory before Crockett purchased the territory and only Sting, Rick Steiner, Terry Taylor and Eddie Gilbert were the only wrestlers who were the only ones who were successful with the merger at that time. Of course Sting was immediately paired with Dusty and The Road Warriors vs The Four Horsemen before his singles run against The Great Muta, Meng, Rick Rude and Big Van Vader then back to his major feud with Flair. Rick Steiner had The Varsity Club with Kevin Sullivan and then of course with Scott Steiner which led to his major success as the Steiner Brothers in the early 90s. Eddie Gilbert quickly became a back stage presence as a booker with some manager gigs before leaving the territory. Terry Taylor had a very good, successful run with Nikita Koloff feuding over the UWF/NWA Television championships before he went on the be…..The Red Rooster in the WWF. He had success as an agent backstage whenever he went but…..The Red Rooster. Sting joining nWo Wolfpac destroyed all the success of Sting vs The nWo. Hogan was the right choice.
Eric bischoff the guy that made wcw great and then killed wcw. The man that ignored his best talents . Booked them horribly. Nwo was milked to extreme.
Sort of true but not totally accurate. While Eric was the guy who ran the things - he was never the 'big fish'. Scotts, Nash, Hogan, all these people with their star power went above Eric and Eric was not able to talk them back down. Eg, Vince let go of Hogan when he wants to. Eric never could. Man was forced to ignore his best talents because the old crew (NWO) had too much power over him. Elevated by the fact that Ted wanted WCW to compete with WWF directly on same time slots. When they don't need to. Then of course finally came Russo. By then product was already dead. Eric is mostly a patsy and a easy scape goat because he was seen as the Vince 'equivalent' by the public. Paul shot on this years before when WCW overtook WWF in ratings : th-cam.com/video/pLH0b5UO2lg/w-d-xo.html
I'm flat Broke,I would work for Eric right now if I got the call(doing what is up to him) p.s already working for mc Donald's been working for the clown long time(just saying)
Bischoff has admitted that he should have stood firm or quit over the creation of Thunder in August '97. That's when everything started to spiral, from inconsistent storylines to absolutely insane contracts. He lost control of his tight plan and it gradually went to hell.
@@zacksmith5963From '95 to '97, he did, Turner let him run WCW how he wanted to and the company became profitable for the only time in their history. Thunder was the beginning of the end.
It’s weird that a few years ago bischoff was saying he wanted hogan for the nwo and he had to convince hogan to do it. I think bischoff trying get people to pay attention to him so now the story has changed
Without Hogan being the 3rd man the whole thing never ends up nearly as big as it was in my opinion. Sting just didn't have the mainstream recognition as Hogan, he did once the crow gim,ick came off, but that's later.
Guess that negates Hogan's claim that he himself wanted to turn heel at WM6 against the Warrior and he also contradicted his own story when he said he knew Warrior would fall flat on his face and Vince would making the decision to push Hulkamainia aside.
It would NOT have worked without Hulk being the 3rd man. Ive heard that rumor from bischoff before. So Sting might not have accidentally named the group. Hulk wouldve stayed red and yellow and squashed the group. Stings transformation was nothing short of BRILLIANT. I LOVED watching nitro waiting for sting to even make an appearance in the rafters. I grew my hair out just like sting. I had the sting leather trench coat and for a few nitros i would put the crow make up on and watch standing in the nosebleeds. I felt a little bad when little kids thought i was REALLY him. God such a great time to be a fan.
Well I think what he meant was the wcw ppvs. I get your point except rumble is in january and wrestlemania is in April, but look at the months for wcw ppv, Halloween havoc and staircase were October and December respectively and February March was super brawl and uncensored which it looks like hogan did those 99 and 98. But it looks like he did more like 4-6 every year not just 4 a year like he said
the best decision was having hogan join nwo instead of sting, the worst was not letting sting win clean at starrcade. after a year or more of nwo beating everyone up this should've been the moment they finally got what they deserved. instead we all know how it ended
I don’t think it would of worked with stick as he was a WCW guy and also if you look how he got cold feet with the main event mafia in TNA, he hated being a heel. So Hulk was a way better choice and being the guy who was the face of the competition.
I say more than anything Hogan ego made him want the spot as leader cause he was just not over as a Babyface anymore and knew that the leader of the NWO would be in a great position as a Heel. Top Heel and in position as a World Champion to.
To have sting as the 3rd member to hall and nash is like putting oliver hardy in the marx Brothers and putting harpo marx with stan laurel it just doesn't work.
Wait why is this a completely different story from what Eric has told? I thought Hogan wasn’t on board turning heel and debating the whole time until bash at the beach. Eric has said this that Hogan was the man and sting was the back up. Why the 180?
Hulk was the perfect one to lead the NWO. He was the ultimate good guy so turning heel had a huge impact. It also made sense for it to be him since he originally came from WWF.
WCW tried it in late 1999 and it also bombed then. Crazy to think that one of the best angles in wrestling history could have been ruined early on because of a potentially bad casting choice.
Watch the WCW episode where Hogan promotes Santa with Muscles.. its hilarious how he truely believes hes a movie star in the promo. Hogan is the best seller!
Hulk may be an egomaniac, but nobody could ever convince me that he wasn't the right call. It wasn't just the NWO, it was Hall and Nash deflected, and the biggest babyface in the world turned heel. A recipe for the perfect explosion of draw. The NWO changed wrestling, at first for the better and then for the worst.
this like watching a standup comedy show.............. same material, different town, slightly different wording. You guys released pretty much the exact same video about 2 months after this one with a different title, shot in a different town.
Not sure if anyone else has brought this up because going through 204 comments is a bit of a task, but I do have to question Mr. Bischoff's memory of Hulk's PPV appearance contract. He says that Hulk was contracted to only appear at 4 or 5 PPVs a year... In 1994, Hulk is on Bash At The Beach, Fall Brawl (albeit not in a wrestling capacity), Halloween Havoc, and Starrcade. That's 4 In 1995, Hulk was on Superbrawl, Uncensored, Slamboree, Bash At The Beach, Fall Brawl, Halloween Havoc, World War 3. That's 7 1996: Hulk was on Superbrawl, Uncensored, Bash At The Beach, Hog Wild, Fall Brawl, Halloween Havoc, World War 3, and Starrcade. That's 8. 1997: Hulk is on Souled Out, Superbrawl, Uncensored, Bash At The Beach, Road Wild, Halloween Havoc, World War 3, and Starrcade. That's another 8. 1998: Hulk is on Souled Out, Superbrawl, Uncensored, Spring Stampede, Great American Bash, Bash At The Beach, Road Wild, Fall Brawl, and Halloween Havoc. That's 9. 1999: Hulk is on Superbrawl, Uncensored, Spring Stampede, Road Wild, Fall Brawl. This is the closest we've been to 4 in years with 5. 2000: Hulk is on Superbrawl, Uncensored, Great American Bash, and Bash at The Beach. This is the first time since his first year in WCW that Hulk has only done 4 PPVs. While Hulk's contract may have originally only been for 4 PPVs, which was inked at a time when there wasn't yet a PPV taking place every month; his workload appears to have increased significantly with the addition of each new PPV. Furthermore, Mr. Bischoff's implication about Summer PPVs being Hulk's off-season, for lack of a better term... did he not debut at Bash at the Beach, and wrestle on each one of those with the exception of 1999? Also, what is Hog/Road Wild if not a Summertime PPV? I've heard in the past that fans have no right telling the "people who were actually there" about the history the "people who were there" made themselves. However, when there is video documented evidence that contradicts a statement, I feel like it is not out of line to raise your hand and say "What about these clear examples to the contrary?"
sting fighting the NWO is so much better than hogan fighting the NWO. i dont think it would have been as good and last as long as it did if hogan was the one fighting them. yea it went to long but still a better choice.
I like Sting. He was one of my favorites for years, but he wouldn’t have worked as the leader of nWo. Not a chance that that would have worked. It had to be Hogan. I can’t think of a single person in WCW at the time that would have worked as the leader.
It's interesting, Sting didn't turn heel, but he assumed a look that was sort of the opposite of the colourful look he'd had for so long and he went from being excited and talkative to being moody and silent. He wasn't really a face or heel, at least until he took out the key members of the NWO with his bat at Uncensored '97, but even then he was helping WCW on his own terms.
When you put a figurehead of professional wrestling like Hogan in a position that is going too change the evolution of wrestling. And make him millions upon millions of more dollars, on top of the millions he made in WWF with Hulkamania gimmick.. He came to WCW made the Biggest Heel turn in Wrestling History to continuing as the figurehead and didnt have too do nearly as much work.. He called shots and if it didnt work for him. All he has too say is... IT DOESNT WORK FOR ME BROTHER!!!!
It's not about if you've seen Santa With Muscles it's about being willing to admit that you've seen and sat through Santa With Muscles 😂 I actually liked it as a kid but not as much as Suburban Commando.
I’d swear I’ve heard him tell a completely different version of this several times before. Previously, he had to convince Hogan and wasn’t sure until the last minute who it was going to be. This is why I can’t stand Bischoff. At least get your bullshit straight.
Not making Sting the 3rd man was the smarter movie imo, cause he then turned into the guy who became the NWO's biggest nightmare and beat the daylight out of them all the time 😂😂😂😂😂
people werent sat at home watching PPVs in the summer ..... funny that , WWF did amazing numbers for KOTR , Fully Loaded and Summerslam 98 (June , July and August) . Weird reasoning to think people wouldnt have time to buy a PPV on a Sunday evening as they were ''out''
Sting in nwo wasnt gona be as big ...what made nwo great was we tought wwf was invading hogan was the face of wwf for over a decade so it made sense.....sting was an aweful heel
Who was the most valuable NWO member? Let us know in the comments below!
In terms of the initial formation of NWO I'd say it would probably be Hulk Hogan just because he'd never really been a heal, other than that weird angle where his mustache got shaved at the end of a match and he started dressing in black and acting evil. I think he might have even joined or aligned himself with the dungeon of doom, but other than that one time I don't think he'd even been a heal plus him also being an ex-WWF/WWE guy really helped tie the group together
Lets take a survey
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The most valuable NWO member was Vince McMahon. Without him NWO consists of Sterling Gold, Oz and Diamond Studd. McMahon made those guys mega stars & made people wanna pay to see them.
Most valuable member of NWO was Vince McMahon, without him NWO consists of Sterling Gold, Oz and Diamond Studd. McMahon made them all mega stars
My god I grew up on WCW as a kid. When I was 7 I was a huge wwf fan and the biggest hulk fan so when he went to wcw I jumped ship with him. The darkest day of my life was seeing hulk leg drop on macho revealing himself as the third man. I was crushed, but then wcw turned their back on sting, he becomes this crow like anti-hero. Was love at first sight. I loved him more than I ever loved hogan at any point which allowed me to appreciate hogan’s heel work. Both Sting and hogan were perfect for their roles. If anyone of them had done something different say goodbye to the 83 weeks thing and there’s no attitude era. For the first two or three years the NWO sting story is the greatest story ever told in wrestling. I’m sure there’s a lot of younger fans screaming at me that the bloodline thing is better but they have no clue. For three years all anyone wanted to do was tune into nitro or thunder to see what the NWO would do to cause chaos and what sting would do to combat that
We tuned in for the NWO and sting but stayed for the cruiserweights. They were so 🔥 they were doing moves we’d never seen they revolutionized wrestling. I mean every wrestler has Incorporated all their moves into what they do. Everytime you see a wrestler perform a suicide dive outside the ring or that head scissors take down or any high flying move most of those are from the wcw cruiserweight division.
Hell yeah. You knew when Rey or Eddie was on the card you were going to get some great wrestling.
The most bad ass part of this story is the fact that Bischoff was a pilot with his own plane and flew himself down to Hulk's house
And if you believe that, you also believe the sky is green. It's just as much of a lie as his "martial arts career" in the 70's
@ShadowAngel606 you know he's lying about either personally? I'm not saying he isn't or you're wrong. It's just like how would we know? Why lie about it?
@@youngmanic313 Because Bankrupt Bischoff knows he is a massive failure who screwed up time an time and time againa nd he's ashamed about it. So he tries to save face by lying and claiming nothing ever was his bad decision.
It's that simple.
@@ShadowAngel606 ok.
@@ShadowAngel606 omg I didn't realise that you're related to Eric!!! How fucking cool
love him or hate him, Eric is an incredible story teller.
"i gotta give you the backstory, in order for you to really understand this..... Or, or at least see it from my perspective" Hmmmm
And a liar who can only remember positive things and not his massive list of complete failures.
Yeah...from what he "remembers"
In his book “Controversy Creates Cash” he said Sting was tentatively on board but was gonna do it reluctantly.
He said he didn’t know if Hulk was going to do it until he showed up at Bash At The Beach.
It worked out.. Sting needed to stay a face and provided good parity to Hogan.
It also allowed Warrior to reunite with Sting against Hogan and Brett.
sting fighting the NWO is so much better than hogan fighting the NWO. i dont think it would have been as good and last as long as it did if hogan was the one fighting them. yea it went to long but still a better choice.
@@zerodawn09 totally agree
@@zerodawn09 well said
Sting turning on wcw would have made 0 sense as well
Warrior was with Sting? I thought that was DDP?
Man. I always hear different stories. Sullivan said Hogan stayed the night at his house before the PPV. Then, on legends of JBL, Hall & Nash said on their way to the ring - they didn’t know if Hogan was gonna do it AND if Hogan backed out at the last minute - they were going to buzz the referee - to tell Sting - it was gonna be him. I just watched the match last night and I was looking at Sting’s mannerisms - you would think he would look like a guy who was walking to the ring with a 50/50 thought of: “Man. It could be me. This could backfire badly.” But in all the WWE documentaries - Sting doesn’t remember any of this. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Also, Hogan screwed up the finish. He wasn’t supposed to throw the referee out of the ring - according to Hall. But I’m glad he did. Made it look better.
@@nostalgiaman6816 Throwing him out of the ring really did fit much better with what came later, not really caring about the official result (because he would just lie and say he won anyway) and running the show how he and they saw fit, not WCW's way.
@@mitch3384 Right. I’m just curious as to how much Sting knew. I mean… say Hogan backed out - he didn’t look prepared to turn heel. Can’t see the referee turning to Sting: “Hogan pussed out. Clock Savage and put him in the Scorpion Deathlock - then cut a 10 minute heel promo.” And honestly, from what Hall and Nash implied, they hadn’t even seen Hogan. Kevin Sullivan didn’t want anyone knowing or seeing him. Same with Bischoff and the announcers.
Everything that Bischoff said sounds legit. In summer of 96, he flies out to Hollywood to talk to Hogan about creative plans for the rest of the year for Hogan. Bischoff is there discussing the nWo plan with Hogan but never factored him in the plan in the first place because the year prior '95, Bischoff already tried to get Hulk to turn heel & he said no. Which is why Sting was originally Bischoff's choice. So for Hall & Nash to coincide the fact that Hogan doesn't wanna turn heel & has that creative control clause, it makes sense that they wasn't sure if Hogan was gonna walk out to the ring or not & that Sting was the backup plan just in case.
I'm glad Sting was not the 3rd guy because it would not have been much of big deal and would not have made people as interested in tuning in. Hulk was smart enough to realise the opportunity it presented. It also allowed Sting to evolve into the crow character years later which likely would never had happened had he joined NWO.
Get the fuck outta here lmao. Don’t post a comment again
We would had never gotten Wolfpac sting either
@@SEXYMAN71778 Which would've been a positive. Not only did he look like a fucking tomato, it also never made sense to begin with. Let alone the fact, that the Wolfpac was total crap.
Sting could've worked easily and it would've been a shock. Marks simply lack the imagination to understand how and why it could easily work.
@@ShadowAngel606 would it have been a shock? Yes it would. Would it have worked? No it would not. Sting cannot be a heel. It has never worked. WCW tried that in 1999 and that did not even last a month because it did not work. TNA tried it with the main event mafia and it did not work. The fans never accepted him as a heel. one of the reasons why it worked for Hogan is because he already had a portion of the crowd turning against him. It was never going to work for Sting.
Hulk needed to become a bad guy. It suited him better than it did sting.
It made sense that Hulk be the third member. All three from the WWF past and present are now attacking WCW guys. Then born the nWo and sting was great as the WCW guy against nWo...until the Wolfpack which makes sense too because they were against Hogan and the black and white nWo.
But nWo just blew up in their face
Glad it happened that way.. Hollywood Hogan was one of the best heels ever and The Crow Sting was legendary. So good hes still doing that gimmick
Agree 100%
i always wondered what eric would of done if instead of joining the nwo hulk came back and was like ok brother me and brutus are going over clean on the outsiders at next ppv 😂
That ain't gonna work for me, brother!!
I love his stories. He has done it all and maybe one of best creative minds ever.
As much as i was into that Hulk Hogan character as a kid idolizing him and teen. The heel turn was such a shocker who couldve pictured the biggest babyface in wrestling history become heel. Awe it broke my heart and hated him at first. But just as he fit into that hero character he played Hollywood character so well almost like thats who he really was.
Macho was a wwf guy, luger was a wwf guy, konnan was a formmer wwf guy, syyx was a former wwf guy ect.... the point of the storyline was the faction was supposed to be wwf guys invading wcw
Luger was a WCW guy which dated back to the days of NWA.
The Next Story I wanna hear is how he pitched Hogan as the 3rd Man to Sting, Hall and Nash.
It was actually Randy Savage. Then Hulk heard about it and said “that doesn’t work for me, brother.”
@@dr.floridamanphd Oh so Bischoff didn't have a Meeting with Sting, Hall, and Nash telling them about Hogan doing it???
Give me a break. We wouldn't be talking about this if it was Sting instead of Hogan. It wouldn't have made ANYWHERE NEAR as many headlines if it was Sting. We wouldn't be talking to Bischoff. there wouldn't have been no 83 week streak or whatever it was. And the Attitude Era may not have happened to try to combat the nWo juggernaut.
Hogan was always first choice, WCW's most beloved hero joining the dark side would have been somewhat impactful but Mr. WWF, like it or not the most famous wrestler in the world joining two other top stars from New York to invade, was absolutely mammoth.
I still can't believe they almost went with Sting as the third man. Just wouldn't have worked at all. Savage was the much more logical back-up choice, imo.
That was one of the best PPVs I ever watched...at the time everybody was happy and cheering when Hulk came to the ring and then he does the leg drop on Savage and boy oh boy was everybody pissed. They started throwing stuff in the ring...even one fan tried to get in the ring and I think it was Scott Hall that nailed him.
[n W o] 😎🤘
I always heard that another option that was pitched or at least briefly considered was Bret Hart. Who at the time was in the middle of listening to negotiations from both companies after his loss to Michaels at WM 12.
Though he already knew he’d come back to WWF (E) at some point so it wouldn’t have worked anyway.
Eric has told this story 40 different ways
Did anybody else see him on this same stage say that Hulk called him while Eric was on his way to his daughters to say he wanted to be the third man??
Having Hogan be the 3rd man was the absolute right choice. The nWo wouldn’t have been as it was had Sting been the leader.
I can't believe it's been 23 years ago since WCW went off the air where has the time gone 23 yrs blink of an eye.
Hogan was ultimately best to lead nWo (simply due to completing the WWF trinity) Hogan didn't necessarily turn heel. He joined Outsiders to fight against the bland, cartoony bullshit state of wrestling.
"I'm BORED BRRROTHER"
Had Sting been third; it'd be due to fed up with Hogan's SUPERMAN act.
Always coming in to SAVE THE DAY; Sting shoves Hogan into Nash.
Nash powerbombs Hogan
Nash motions to Sting
Sting "pins" Hogan via confused count by referee
I’m gonna give huge credit to Hogan’s ability to become the biggest heel in professional wrestling history when he became Hollywood. The whole nWo run wouldn’t work if Sting was the third man at Bash at the Beach ‘96. Sting needed to reinvent himself and became the franchise WCW player who can beat the nWo and chase down Hogan which ended in Starrcade '97.
And hogan knew his stock was going down .babyface hogan wasnr goan work anymore glhogan did it to make his career longer.Sting wasn't a cool bad guy
@@wingedhussar1453 Lol, another clueless mark. Even in 1995, when marks love to claim he was stale and got booed out of every building (nonsense), whenever he was on a PPV it sold 56% more than those PPV's without him. That's a fact.
@@ShadowAngel606 selling doesn't mean everything. WCW was already down so 50 percent ain't much
@@wingedhussar1453 Bwahahahaha. "ain't much": From 1994 to 1997 the difference in PPV buys Hogan made, came out to about 50 million dollars of extra revenue for WCW.
Not much, huh? Moron.
It wouldn’t have worked yet with Sting. Now when they said they had someone who was the foundation(Bischoff), that would’ve been the time to get Sting. But Hogan was the man you thought of when you said WWF back then. Hall & Nash we’re just working for WWF so it made sense for it to be Hogan.
"Well Brother, They Wanted me to be the other Road Warrior too don't ya know? They wanted me and Marty Jeanette to be the New Rockers Brother 😅😅😅 But Sting, Yeah brother. I took him to the Theater 1 day and next thing ya know he changed his face paint. 😅 I think the movie had Jackie Chan's Son 🤣🤷🏻😭
Sting wouldn’t have worked as well because he was not a known wwe guy which made more sense the outsiders were basically wwe taking over wcw and hulk was wwe golden boy
Damn it should have been Sting. He might have over saturated the NWO and it would have stayed around longer and exclusive. Who knows maybe WCW doesn't go to shit if Hulk never joins.
Sting wasn't as beloved as Hogan at the time
Santa with Muscles was good
Sting being the third man wouldn’t have made anywhere the impact Hogan did and wouldn’t have made nearly as much sense
Kind of, it seemed as though the key NWO members were meant to be ex-WWF guys, though there was that promo where Hall, Nash and Hogan tried to convince Sting to join them, reasoning the WCW hadn't given him much reward for his years of service and suggesting that he was due for a change after playing the colourful babyface for so long. But Hogan being the leader made much more sense than Sting being leader.
Sting, Crow Sting as the leader of the NWO with the same quiet/rafters mystique. Having The outsiders & others as his henchmen while he only makes random/sudden appearances to reak havoc on WCW being the franchise turned villian 👀 only to finally sit at his NWO thrown and move with the group as a unit whenever he felt like it or even speak whenever he felt it was necessary 🔥😮💨 mannnn that would’ve been timeless and like nothing we’ve seen. Just the thought of it is bad ass 😂
Never would have worked with sting
Exactly maybe for a few months but it would have died quick.
Absolutely not, there is no chance for the nWo angle to gain any momentum if Sting was the 3rd guy.
Don’t get me wrong, I have been a fan of Sting’s since 1987 when he was teaming with Rick Steiner and Eddie Gilbert as their manager/tag partner in the old UWF territory before Crockett purchased the territory and only Sting, Rick Steiner, Terry Taylor and Eddie Gilbert were the only wrestlers who were the only ones who were successful with the merger at that time.
Of course Sting was immediately paired with Dusty and The Road Warriors vs The Four Horsemen before his singles run against The Great Muta, Meng, Rick Rude and Big Van Vader then back to his major feud with Flair.
Rick Steiner had The Varsity Club with Kevin Sullivan and then of course with Scott Steiner which led to his major success as the Steiner Brothers in the early 90s.
Eddie Gilbert quickly became a back stage presence as a booker with some manager gigs before leaving the territory.
Terry Taylor had a very good, successful run with Nikita Koloff feuding over the UWF/NWA Television championships before he went on the be…..The Red Rooster in the WWF. He had success as an agent backstage whenever he went but…..The Red Rooster.
Sting joining nWo Wolfpac destroyed all the success of Sting vs The nWo.
Hogan was the right choice.
@@tgzaks7901yeah that's the genius of it. The Hulkster is a really good politician for himself but it was the biggest thing WCW ever did
I'm a huge Hulk Hogan fan and I've never even heard of Santa With Muscles. I have to go check if that's really a movie now
It's 100% real
LOL, yeah I watched the trailer after making the comment@@PontFlair
Me sharing the spotlight? That doesn't work for me brother
Eric bischoff the guy that made wcw great and then killed wcw.
The man that ignored his best talents . Booked them horribly. Nwo was milked to extreme.
Sort of true but not totally accurate. While Eric was the guy who ran the things - he was never the 'big fish'. Scotts, Nash, Hogan, all these people with their star power went above Eric and Eric was not able to talk them back down. Eg, Vince let go of Hogan when he wants to. Eric never could. Man was forced to ignore his best talents because the old crew (NWO) had too much power over him. Elevated by the fact that Ted wanted WCW to compete with WWF directly on same time slots. When they don't need to. Then of course finally came Russo. By then product was already dead. Eric is mostly a patsy and a easy scape goat because he was seen as the Vince 'equivalent' by the public.
Paul shot on this years before when WCW overtook WWF in ratings :
th-cam.com/video/pLH0b5UO2lg/w-d-xo.html
I'm flat Broke,I would work for Eric right now if I got the call(doing what is up to him) p.s already working for mc Donald's been working for the clown long time(just saying)
Bischoff has admitted that he should have stood firm or quit over the creation of Thunder in August '97. That's when everything started to spiral, from inconsistent storylines to absolutely insane contracts. He lost control of his tight plan and it gradually went to hell.
@@azapro911 he never had control over things. He had all the gradient in the world that he wasted
@@zacksmith5963From '95 to '97, he did, Turner let him run WCW how he wanted to and the company became profitable for the only time in their history. Thunder was the beginning of the end.
Santa with muscles was an awesome movie 😊
I loved it as a kid 👍🏼
It’s weird that a few years ago bischoff was saying he wanted hogan for the nwo and he had to convince hogan to do it. I think bischoff trying get people to pay attention to him so now the story has changed
Its weird because its exactly what he said here. I guess you didn’t watch the full video actually
@@KostasLakta1312Eric and Vince are my heroes and I hope to meet them one day soon
Without Hogan being the 3rd man the whole thing never ends up nearly as big as it was in my opinion. Sting just didn't have the mainstream recognition as Hogan, he did once the crow gim,ick came off, but that's later.
Yeah, it wouldnt make the news with Sting. Hogans heel turn was even on the news.
Guess that negates Hogan's claim that he himself wanted to turn heel at WM6 against the Warrior and he also contradicted his own story when he said he knew Warrior would fall flat on his face and Vince would making the decision to push Hulkamainia aside.
“That’s works for me brother” 😂
2:10 I love the way Americans think anywhere in the UK, even though he's literally sitting in a different country in this video, is "London"
It would NOT have worked without Hulk being the 3rd man. Ive heard that rumor from bischoff before. So Sting might not have accidentally named the group. Hulk wouldve stayed red and yellow and squashed the group. Stings transformation was nothing short of BRILLIANT. I LOVED watching nitro waiting for sting to even make an appearance in the rafters. I grew my hair out just like sting. I had the sting leather trench coat and for a few nitros i would put the crow make up on and watch standing in the nosebleeds. I felt a little bad when little kids thought i was REALLY him. God such a great time to be a fan.
I read it was scott and Nash who suggested hogan and sting or macho was the back up
My god, he lies so much. “Summer sucks for pay per view, nobody is watching tv”.. except for you know, summerslam, the rumble, ‘mania…
Well I think what he meant was the wcw ppvs. I get your point except rumble is in january and wrestlemania is in April, but look at the months for wcw ppv, Halloween havoc and staircase were October and December respectively and February March was super brawl and uncensored which it looks like hogan did those 99 and 98. But it looks like he did more like 4-6 every year not just 4 a year like he said
the best decision was having hogan join nwo instead of sting, the worst was not letting sting win clean at starrcade. after a year or more of nwo beating everyone up this should've been the moment they finally got what they deserved. instead we all know how it ended
Considering that Hulk Hogan got Sting a major part on ‘Thunder In Paradise’, Sting should not have felt like Hogan was stealing his spot.
Maybe that one fan"just might have confused the Movie with jingle all the way" the big show was in it?
I don’t think it would of worked with stick as he was a WCW guy and also if you look how he got cold feet with the main event mafia in TNA, he hated being a heel. So Hulk was a way better choice and being the guy who was the face of the competition.
Big Bear is the city he was thinking about
Hollywood Hulk Hogan with some of the best times in wrestling history!!! My personal favorite!!!
honestly, the fact that Eric flew himself on his own plane is the most interesting part to me
I say more than anything Hogan ego made him want the spot as leader cause he was just not over as a Babyface anymore and knew that the leader of the NWO would be in a great position as a Heel. Top Heel and in position as a World Champion to.
To have sting as the 3rd member to hall and nash is like putting oliver hardy in the marx Brothers and putting harpo marx with stan laurel it just doesn't work.
Wait why is this a completely different story from what Eric has told? I thought Hogan wasn’t on board turning heel and debating the whole time until bash at the beach. Eric has said this that Hogan was the man and sting was the back up. Why the 180?
Hulk was the perfect one to lead the NWO. He was the ultimate good guy so turning heel had a huge impact. It also made sense for it to be him since he originally came from WWF.
Interviewer: Who was more annoying to deal with Hulk or Hall and Nash?
Bischoff: It was the best of times it was the worst of times....
Never would have taken off like it did if it was sting
5 wins 0 defeats is the main reason Sting is a top 10 wrestler of all times.
nWo should have never exceeded 5 or 6 members.
Take a shot every time Bischoff says "Great question", or "Hulk" see if you can last 5 mins before getting drunk
Could Sting ever be a heel? TNA tried it and it didn’t work.
WCW tried it in late 1999 and it also bombed then.
Crazy to think that one of the best angles in wrestling history could have been ruined early on because of a potentially bad casting choice.
Watch the WCW episode where Hogan promotes Santa with Muscles.. its hilarious how he truely believes hes a movie star in the promo. Hogan is the best seller!
Sting would not worked using the wwe invasion angle
Hulk may be an egomaniac, but nobody could ever convince me that he wasn't the right call. It wasn't just the NWO, it was Hall and Nash deflected, and the biggest babyface in the world turned heel. A recipe for the perfect explosion of draw. The NWO changed wrestling, at first for the better and then for the worst.
this like watching a standup comedy show.............. same material, different town, slightly different wording. You guys released pretty much the exact same video about 2 months after this one with a different title, shot in a different town.
Scott Hall what's the most valuable member of the NWO
And I’m so glad Hogan stole the spot. What an epic heel turn.
Not sure if anyone else has brought this up because going through 204 comments is a bit of a task, but I do have to question Mr. Bischoff's memory of Hulk's PPV appearance contract.
He says that Hulk was contracted to only appear at 4 or 5 PPVs a year...
In 1994, Hulk is on Bash At The Beach, Fall Brawl (albeit not in a wrestling capacity), Halloween Havoc, and Starrcade. That's 4
In 1995, Hulk was on Superbrawl, Uncensored, Slamboree, Bash At The Beach, Fall Brawl, Halloween Havoc, World War 3. That's 7
1996: Hulk was on Superbrawl, Uncensored, Bash At The Beach, Hog Wild, Fall Brawl, Halloween Havoc, World War 3, and Starrcade. That's 8.
1997: Hulk is on Souled Out, Superbrawl, Uncensored, Bash At The Beach, Road Wild, Halloween Havoc, World War 3, and Starrcade. That's another 8.
1998: Hulk is on Souled Out, Superbrawl, Uncensored, Spring Stampede, Great American Bash, Bash At The Beach, Road Wild, Fall Brawl, and Halloween Havoc. That's 9.
1999: Hulk is on Superbrawl, Uncensored, Spring Stampede, Road Wild, Fall Brawl. This is the closest we've been to 4 in years with 5.
2000: Hulk is on Superbrawl, Uncensored, Great American Bash, and Bash at The Beach. This is the first time since his first year in WCW that Hulk has only done 4 PPVs.
While Hulk's contract may have originally only been for 4 PPVs, which was inked at a time when there wasn't yet a PPV taking place every month; his workload appears to have increased significantly with the addition of each new PPV.
Furthermore, Mr. Bischoff's implication about Summer PPVs being Hulk's off-season, for lack of a better term... did he not debut at Bash at the Beach, and wrestle on each one of those with the exception of 1999? Also, what is Hog/Road Wild if not a Summertime PPV?
I've heard in the past that fans have no right telling the "people who were actually there" about the history the "people who were there" made themselves. However, when there is video documented evidence that contradicts a statement, I feel like it is not out of line to raise your hand and say "What about these clear examples to the contrary?"
it would never have worked with Sting he was way to over and the fans wouldn't have bought it. Hogan was the right decision.
Your hair looks like Paul from Tekken 👍
But why would sting be nwo if he wasn’t a wwf guy?
They always let bulk Hogan ruin it with his politics. How much more money would they have made seeing sting as a heel instead of Hogan. That's stupid.
One story turns into 20 side stories before you can get to the simple answer with this guy.. old age..
Hogan probably beats the NWO in a 3-1 handicap match 2 months after Bash at the Beach if the Hulkster wasn't the 3rd guy.
after that bischoff has to tell sting he’s out of the nwo. story isn’t done.
Sting definitely could’ve done it! He already had lost favor with the fans and what not.
sting fighting the NWO is so much better than hogan fighting the NWO. i dont think it would have been as good and last as long as it did if hogan was the one fighting them. yea it went to long but still a better choice.
Sting as the third man would've been shit.
Even when Sting joined the wolfpack, it didn't look right.
Hulk may be a selfish prick, but this absolutely was the right decision
Wouldn't work as sting since he was the wcw guy. Nwo basically was wwe/WWF BASED FACTION
I like Sting. He was one of my favorites for years, but he wouldn’t have worked as the leader of nWo. Not a chance that that would have worked. It had to be Hogan. I can’t think of a single person in WCW at the time that would have worked as the leader.
It's interesting, Sting didn't turn heel, but he assumed a look that was sort of the opposite of the colourful look he'd had for so long and he went from being excited and talkative to being moody and silent. He wasn't really a face or heel, at least until he took out the key members of the NWO with his bat at Uncensored '97, but even then he was helping WCW on his own terms.
Hogan was just leeching off of them.
Fucking has been really trying.
When you put a figurehead of professional wrestling like Hogan in a position that is going too change the evolution of wrestling. And make him millions upon millions of more dollars, on top of the millions he made in WWF with Hulkamania gimmick.. He came to WCW made the Biggest Heel turn in Wrestling History to continuing as the figurehead and didnt have too do nearly as much work.. He called shots and if it didnt work for him. All he has too say is... IT DOESNT WORK FOR ME BROTHER!!!!
It's not about if you've seen Santa With Muscles it's about being willing to admit that you've seen and sat through Santa With Muscles 😂
I actually liked it as a kid but not as much as Suburban Commando.
''I literally flew myself to Hulks house , I had my own plane , I was a pilot'' ..... At times he sounds like Jay from the Inbetweeners
I’d swear I’ve heard him tell a completely different version of this several times before. Previously, he had to convince Hogan and wasn’t sure until the last minute who it was going to be. This is why I can’t stand Bischoff. At least get your bullshit straight.
If sting was the 3rd man Nwo wouldn't have worked
The Crow Sting was the best.
Hogan turning heal saved his career.
Not making Sting the 3rd man was the smarter movie imo, cause he then turned into the guy who became the NWO's biggest nightmare and beat the daylight out of them all the time 😂😂😂😂😂
Bischoff seems like such a pathetic yes man for Hogan.
Hulk had the cushiest contract ever
people werent sat at home watching PPVs in the summer ..... funny that , WWF did amazing numbers for KOTR , Fully Loaded and Summerslam 98 (June , July and August) . Weird reasoning to think people wouldnt have time to buy a PPV on a Sunday evening as they were ''out''
"This doesn't work for me Brother" - Hulk Hogan
Wow such an original comment.
@@Trumpisgodit's not original or inaccurate
@@Rucker1980 wow such a firm understanding of sarcasm
@@Trumpisgod no I don't. It's completely lost to me on the Internet
Sting in nwo wasnt gona be as big ...what made nwo great was we tought wwf was invading hogan was the face of wwf for over a decade so it made sense.....sting was an aweful heel
I raised my hand and I agree with his opinion.
Or maybe not BROTHER