I just got into comics, and I discovered your TH-cam channel. You have my type of humor, so I’ll be checking more out. :) Subbed! I LOVED your two episodes on Hellboy as he’s turning out to be one of my favorites so far!
Ha ha! I love the way your discussion of the ABOMINATION that is/was the tv show just dwindles gradually out of existence at about 16:00! That REALLY says everything that needs to be said about the show! I bought, read and loved every issue of that comic every month for over five years, meeting Dillon and Ennis during its run, so you can just imagine what I thought when they mangled the wonderful plot to within an inch of its life! A dreadful, dreadful liberty, almost on a par with what they did with Constantine in that Godawful film (which is a completely different, if similarly ranty subject).
Do you have a review of The Boys? Or do you plan to do it? It's a great book and it really almost outdoes Preacher with how vulgar and depraved it can be. It's also a great satire of superheroes.
Everything was going fine until you hit the social justice crap, I understand that you feel the need to be politically correct, but I've always felt that if a character needs to be a minority of some kind, then that character should have been originally created that way. Take Nick Fury in the movies as exhibit A, not only did they replace the only guy that most of us ever knew, but they didn't even bother to keep the white hair on his side burns. The movie version doesn't even have hair. This is coming from a minority, you don't hear me clamoring to have more white characters changed into Hispanic characters, if they are meant to be Hispanic, then they should be that at inception.
I was originally writing a lot more- but it's not worth a debate. I'll just focus on one aspect- "if a character needs to be a minority of some kind, then that character should have been originally created that way." My issue with that is that most well-known comic characters were created by white guys for white readers. In the last decade or so, we've experienced a comic boom, with a much larger audience, of all genders, races, etc. Minorities were extremely under-represented in the majority of main-stream titles, and now that there is an audience, shouldn't they have the opportunity to see themselves represented in their entertainment, especially if it's of no slight to the character? Nick Fury, as Samuel L. Jackson, was inspired directly from the Ultimates line of Marvel Comics, and was arguably the most popular and notable incarnation of the character in the last 50 years. I don't think there were a lot of cigar-chomping 70s era Fury fans furious about the change because he still seemed "in character" to the personality of the original creation, just modernized from the 70s to fit into the current time period the movie/comic took place. I don't see anything wrong with Tulip's change either. The show is taking liberties with the comic, as we've mentioned, so I'm interested to see if/how her race plays a role in the story. There was nothing about the comic version of Tulip that HAD to be white, so I don't think the change hurt the character at all. She's still self-assured, formidable, and a bad ass. Now if they changed Cassiday's race, I would have issue, because the Irish-ness of his character comes into play heavily throughout. Tulip was more of a blank slate in terms of her ethnicity, so why not give modern audiences a little more representation if it doesn't hurt the story or the character? I can't see the harm.
Imperius Rex I get most of what you're saying, it has a lot of merit when you have the white guys creating for white audience argument. Yes the audience is more diverse now, but so are the creators now, all I'm saying is you want the characters to be something or represent something, especially all the newer creations, make them that to begin with. I just feel like things have gotten too politically correct to the point that it's no longer acceptable to have a differing opinion or point of view. I appreciate you taking the time to respond, and for not just outright censoring me. I came across y'all today on your first Hellboy video and subscribed. Y'all seem cool as hell.
You bet dude. It's all just comics. Entertainment first and foremost. And we love discussing it with people who may or may not have the same opinions. I try to look at the medium from the outside in, as Troy and I are generally the type of people comics were first written for. But the success of movies like Black Panther or Wonder Woman shows that there are a lot more people who want to get into the medium besides the "original audience." And that's fantastic. Gives our whole medium more credibility, and hopefully creates more unique and interesting stories. When I was watching Black Panther, with an audience of cheering black fans, it made me really happy that these fans had a great character to look up to onscreen, that truly represented themselves. As a white dude, I've got a laundry list of heroes that I can "see myself in," but for other races, it's a harder connection. If a flick or a comic can inspire some kid or adult into acting heroic, or just enjoying a good story, then that's what it's all about man. :)
Pete you get it. I dropped comics and only trade read these days if it's a compelling story or from a creative team I've loved since childhood. Destroying years of legacy and history just so they can trot out an "all new, all different" rehash of a character everyone has always loved for the sake of virtue signaling is going to be the death of our beloved industry and pastime. Its sad. Truly. Make a new character, do an else worlds story if you wanna have your black gay Batman. But stop destroying decades of fandom and love. We've gotten so debased at this point that Robin is bisexual and reboots and miniseries are the only thing that we get from the big two. Its pathetic and shows that these creators have run out of ideas. Garth Ennis is a fantastic writer. He wrote a series a while back called "a walk through hell" he had the tough tomboy/lesbian lead and her sidekick was a gay half Asian. Loved the series. But he didn't feel the need to reboot preacher and make Jesse a trans black man or whatever. I remember loving James tynion way back in the day but it's so hard to read him now because he can't keep his social justice bullshit out of his main books. His image titles are great, he can do what he wants there. But injecting his neiche political opinions into Batman isn't something I'm going to subscribe to and pay 3.99 a month for. Look to the root of the issue, I suggest looking at what Franz Boaz did the higher learning in the 20th century and you'll start to see a pattern. And once you start noticing you can't stop. Godspeed, and never stop standing for the Truth.
I just got into comics, and I discovered your TH-cam channel. You have my type of humor, so I’ll be checking more out. :) Subbed! I LOVED your two episodes on Hellboy as he’s turning out to be one of my favorites so far!
Awesome! Great to hear Philip! Hellboy is a major favorite of ours- and you can bet we'll be doing some more episodes on him soon-
Good to hear! I've been tearing through your old videos the past week or so. Keep on rockin'!
Just found your channel a few ago and I thoroughly enjoy your content
Thanks Sharktooth- glad to have you aboard!
I would argue Mark Millar is Garth Ennis in crack.
Garth is way crazier. I've read normal stuff with Mark as the writer.
Now, HEEERE'S a subject I can REALLY fuckin' RANT about!!!
Ha ha! I love the way your discussion of the ABOMINATION that is/was the tv show just dwindles gradually out of existence at about 16:00! That REALLY says everything that needs to be said about the show!
I bought, read and loved every issue of that comic every month for over five years, meeting Dillon and Ennis during its run, so you can just imagine what I thought when they mangled the wonderful plot to within an inch of its life! A dreadful, dreadful liberty, almost on a par with what they did with Constantine in that Godawful film (which is a completely different, if similarly ranty subject).
Do you have a review of The Boys? Or do you plan to do it? It's a great book and it really almost outdoes Preacher with how vulgar and depraved it can be. It's also a great satire of superheroes.
They did a show
The show is amazing tho
Your video was hard to watch and didnt give me any good info or insight at all.
Agreed.
Everything was going fine until you hit the social justice crap, I understand that you feel the need to be politically correct, but I've always felt that if a character needs to be a minority of some kind, then that character should have been originally created that way. Take Nick Fury in the movies as exhibit A, not only did they replace the only guy that most of us ever knew, but they didn't even bother to keep the white hair on his side burns. The movie version doesn't even have hair. This is coming from a minority, you don't hear me clamoring to have more white characters changed into Hispanic characters, if they are meant to be Hispanic, then they should be that at inception.
I was originally writing a lot more- but it's not worth a debate. I'll just focus on one aspect- "if a character needs to be a minority of some kind, then that character should have been originally created that way."
My issue with that is that most well-known comic characters were created by white guys for white readers. In the last decade or so, we've experienced a comic boom, with a much larger audience, of all genders, races, etc. Minorities were extremely under-represented in the majority of main-stream titles, and now that there is an audience, shouldn't they have the opportunity to see themselves represented in their entertainment, especially if it's of no slight to the character?
Nick Fury, as Samuel L. Jackson, was inspired directly from the Ultimates line of Marvel Comics, and was arguably the most popular and notable incarnation of the character in the last 50 years. I don't think there were a lot of cigar-chomping 70s era Fury fans furious about the change because he still seemed "in character" to the personality of the original creation, just modernized from the 70s to fit into the current time period the movie/comic took place. I don't see anything wrong with Tulip's change either. The show is taking liberties with the comic, as we've mentioned, so I'm interested to see if/how her race plays a role in the story. There was nothing about the comic version of Tulip that HAD to be white, so I don't think the change hurt the character at all. She's still self-assured, formidable, and a bad ass. Now if they changed Cassiday's race, I would have issue, because the Irish-ness of his character comes into play heavily throughout. Tulip was more of a blank slate in terms of her ethnicity, so why not give modern audiences a little more representation if it doesn't hurt the story or the character? I can't see the harm.
Also- we'd still be down for hypothetical beers and comics- no offense taken nor intended. Just differing opinions.
Imperius Rex I get most of what you're saying, it has a lot of merit when you have the white guys creating for white audience argument. Yes the audience is more diverse now, but so are the creators now, all I'm saying is you want the characters to be something or represent something, especially all the newer creations, make them that to begin with. I just feel like things have gotten too politically correct to the point that it's no longer acceptable to have a differing opinion or point of view. I appreciate you taking the time to respond, and for not just outright censoring me. I came across y'all today on your first Hellboy video and subscribed. Y'all seem cool as hell.
You bet dude. It's all just comics. Entertainment first and foremost. And we love discussing it with people who may or may not have the same opinions. I try to look at the medium from the outside in, as Troy and I are generally the type of people comics were first written for. But the success of movies like Black Panther or Wonder Woman shows that there are a lot more people who want to get into the medium besides the "original audience." And that's fantastic. Gives our whole medium more credibility, and hopefully creates more unique and interesting stories. When I was watching Black Panther, with an audience of cheering black fans, it made me really happy that these fans had a great character to look up to onscreen, that truly represented themselves. As a white dude, I've got a laundry list of heroes that I can "see myself in," but for other races, it's a harder connection. If a flick or a comic can inspire some kid or adult into acting heroic, or just enjoying a good story, then that's what it's all about man. :)
Pete you get it.
I dropped comics and only trade read these days if it's a compelling story or from a creative team I've loved since childhood.
Destroying years of legacy and history just so they can trot out an "all new, all different" rehash of a character everyone has always loved for the sake of virtue signaling is going to be the death of our beloved industry and pastime. Its sad. Truly. Make a new character, do an else worlds story if you wanna have your black gay Batman. But stop destroying decades of fandom and love. We've gotten so debased at this point that Robin is bisexual and reboots and miniseries are the only thing that we get from the big two. Its pathetic and shows that these creators have run out of ideas.
Garth Ennis is a fantastic writer. He wrote a series a while back called "a walk through hell" he had the tough tomboy/lesbian lead and her sidekick was a gay half Asian. Loved the series. But he didn't feel the need to reboot preacher and make Jesse a trans black man or whatever. I remember loving James tynion way back in the day but it's so hard to read him now because he can't keep his social justice bullshit out of his main books. His image titles are great, he can do what he wants there.
But injecting his neiche political opinions into Batman isn't something I'm going to subscribe to and pay 3.99 a month for.
Look to the root of the issue, I suggest looking at what Franz Boaz did the higher learning in the 20th century and you'll start to see a pattern. And once you start noticing you can't stop.
Godspeed, and never stop standing for the Truth.