Trying to make a Mongolian Bow when you never took woodshop

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  • @leepilkington3648
    @leepilkington3648 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Think of it this way. The next one you make will be better. Its a learning curve. Well done.

  • @gustavogoesgomes1863
    @gustavogoesgomes1863 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    You bow is complete garbage, and it's amazing! I have seen a lot of tutorials teaching how to make a bow yourself, and they are so complex and difficult that I always end giving up. But yours, although being a failure, shows that it is actually easier than it seems, and could work very well with some adjustments. TH-cam kinda cemented a "culture of perfection", and it is very nice to see people trying to do new things and just naturally failing. I never made a bow in my life, and if you are going to try again, I would recomend trying to do a regular longbow in one piece. Mongolian composite recurve bows are literally the HARDEST ones to make, and I would NEVER try to make one in my first attempt.
    Anyway, I think you should try again! I would love to see the results, no matter good or bad (lol)

    • @shephherd
      @shephherd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Gustavo... appreciate you taking time and typing all those words👍. You must be an interesting man...good luck.

  • @thenewmc8247
    @thenewmc8247 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "You gotta' do the fucking same thing with the other one." Lol! This dude did work really hard. 😂

  • @tavrikgannon
    @tavrikgannon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The fact that you stepped out of your comfort zone to attempt this build commands respect. Even if you think you failed, you didn't. It's part of the learning curve in the build process. Thomas Edison once said that he didn't fail (however many times it was until he got it right) x times when developing the lightbulb. He'd just simply found x times how not to make the lightbulb work.
    Great job on the attempt. You'll improve the more you apply what you've learned. Excellent video.

  • @addedcheese
    @addedcheese 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I mean to be honest, yes the bow is garbage but, you chose the hardest possible bow to make as your first ever bow and managed to get something that shoots out of it and that is amazing... I've been making bows as a hobby for some 4 years now and first 10 broke before the first shot so this is commendable. I've only now moved into composite bows with a hardwood core and bamboo backing mostly. A few tips, the siyah or the ears are traditionally made as separate pieces but what you did makes the process easier. You can make a full bow mold and just make a self bow with a sinew back into the recurve shape that way the handle is not a weakness. If you insist on a handle like this, make the parts that insert into the limbs longer and thinner, mongol and manchu bows usually have a long handle for this reason and lastly, tiller your bow. Without tillering you will never make a bow that lasts

  • @patricksmith9297
    @patricksmith9297 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An outstanding effort, I broke seven bows before I got there. You did however chose the hardest style to be your first bow. I would suggest making several self or flat bows and with that knowledge gained go from there. Kudos for your efforts

  • @aberdinecasebier5425
    @aberdinecasebier5425 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For your first attempt at bow making, you did far better job than most. So many complexities exist, it takes years to become truly skilled. If you attempt it again, try Bodark (Osage) instead. Overall, a fine job.

  • @darkpassenger65
    @darkpassenger65 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I commend you for admitting you don't have much woodworking experience. A lot of guys out there might not outright lie but they don't exactly come clean at the onset. That gives people a false impression of how much skill and experience is required for an undertaking such as this. Good for you.

  • @danielbecker3206
    @danielbecker3206 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It´s good to see you gathering experience in handscrafting! Keep on!
    Next time try make a tiller on the limps. It is making the limps smaller in diameter the farer they are from the handle (distal taper). So the whole lenght of the limps is bending while you are drawing out the bow. Keeping the middle run (annual rings) of the wood like you already did. and if you are working with a flat plank make the tiller from the sides! This can be done (tillering the sides) if the main bow has been finished. One Person ist drawing out the bow carefully and another is looking where isn´t as much flex as like the ohter parts of the limps. There you need to remove material. Or build yourself a log/board for tillering, at one end you clamp/hook the bow, and with a second cord attached to the middle of your string you draw it out parts-wise and fix it at the other end of the board.
    (sorry if I´m not writing it in a good descriptive way, I´m from Germany, so English isn´t my natural language)
    Keep on!

  • @MMOhawked
    @MMOhawked 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is awesome. Total props to you for having the bravery to put this on TH-cam, I have tried to make plenty of bows, but would never show anyone the results.
    If you want to get into bowmaking, you should try and build self-bows first, as they are a single piece bow with often less than 5 total bends to the bow. The way the mongol bows are shaped, that limb recurve cannot be realistically achieved through a single bending limb. If you look closely at asiatic bows, the "ears", or the tips, are static and non-bending and the effective working part of the limb is the curve between the handle and the tips. The tips work as a lever to bend the limb, unlike an English longbow which bends from the edge of the handle to the tip. Basically try to to do the exact same splice you did for the handle, but at the tips to create the static ears. I think you'll get much better results that way. Check out Sarmat Archery's bamboo bows for ideas on historic bow shape and design without composite technology.

  • @terrydouglas2777
    @terrydouglas2777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm an old woodworker an I encourage everyone to build using wood and was younger the first time I made my fist bow like the American Indian would make hundreds of years ago, an the arrows and how they would use heat of the fire to make them straight. Keep up working with wood, an if you stick with it, you will get there I'm sure of that. From what I understand though from studying from the animals the Mongolians would save the sinew from the tendons. From wild animals like deer, elk, bison and all that the Mongolians would use and they would make the glue from the hides from those animals so they used all the parts that they can. They never wasted nothing and their bows was the very Best that was ever made because their shots flew further an straighter than their enemies and we're built better than all the other bows made throughout history. Even riding full run on horseback they hit their target every time. They made their own bow's an arrows an that says alot about men from that era. Do more research an stay positive. Never give up and just ignore the trolls because more than likely they are jealous of you for trying this an probably they only made paper airplanes that couldn't even fly I bet. There is nothing better than the feel of wood when you've taken a rough cut board or a log and turn it into a piece of art. Stay positive and don't give up. You have decades of time to get that bow built perfect, then hang it up on your wall to have great stories of how hard you worked to build it telling those stories to your children in the future. Teaching them to never give up and to stay positive. I have taught that to many others during my lifetime also to my children and now all the grandchildren. They live building stuff with wood. An remember the bows from hundreds or even thousands of years ago can not be judged to any compound bows of today because a true bow don't have pullies on it. Nothing feels the same to shoot than a real traditional bow. Also look at the old Chinese or Japanese longbows. Those are also awesome to use an look at. Never give up, and learn something new each day. An buy a new woodworking tool each time you get extra money. One day I'm sure you will have even more woodworking tools than I have. My family tells me often that I have more tools for building or fixing anything than anyone else they know. An look in antique shops for those old tools because sometimes you might find tools made with the real metal on them like the razor sharp spoke shaving or draw knives an planning tools. The carbon in those we cannot buy them today with metal quality the same way those were made and you can't compare it because back in those days, the metal was better, a lot better. Enjoy what you do, including when you get older an pick your futures path. If you're not happy or enjoying it, stop and pick the right one so you are happy and enjoy doing it each day. An teach others what you have learned, pass it on, pay it forward. I do an I'm a better man for it. Learn how to make things from scratch. Old ways are sometimes better than the easier ways. An never waste your time, time is the only thing you can not get back. Peace out little brother and never give up.

  • @daniele.f.2963
    @daniele.f.2963 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks appreciate your efforts and step by step explanation.

  • @dannyroberts5056
    @dannyroberts5056 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I admire your effort in this build. A true Mongol Horse bow would have a small handle section in the center, two limbs two syiahs , two sections of real horn on the belly of the bow. The back is then covered in natural sinew. The sinew would then be covered in birch bark or snake skin to protect the sinew from moisture. Natural sinew is used because of its unique properties. When it drys it shrinks tight length wise and can stretch and return to its resting state. This adds strength to the bow and makes them snappy. The horn is very good on compression so it is used on the belly. Siyahas act as a lever thats were they get the recurve look. On a true horn bow only the limbs bend . When applying the natural sinew some bowyers will tie the tips together over the back of the bow. This forces the limbs into a reverse bend toward the back of the bow. It should look like a C bending away from the belly of the bow. Some horn bows had such excessive bend the tips would touch. As the bowyer adds the sinew the sinew shrinks naturally pulling the back of the bow away from the belly. With each layer of sinew the string is tightened even more to bring the tips closer together. To string one was quite the chore. Each limb was tied to a jig the straighten them out enough so the bow could be strung. In Mongolia were it is cold most of the year the limbs would be warmed first to aid in stringing and avoid breaking a limb. After the bow was strung the limbs are exercised to get them to line up properly. Sorry for rambling so long but I hope this helps. There are some realy good videos on utube on these bows being made. One of my favorites is Building the Korean Horn bow its all in the korean language but the process is well documented. Three rivers archery has DVDs on making these bows and one on bamboo arrows. I think these would benefit you in your next build. Also look up Mead long bows I think its called. He sales kits for bamboo horse bows. Its a simpler process but from the reviews I read his kits are very nice. The bows are tested and proven.

  • @theweaponscollectiveedge863
    @theweaponscollectiveedge863 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was a good try, keep working at it if like making them. one will eventually come out great.

  • @3asianassassin
    @3asianassassin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a series of books called the traditional bowyers bibles that were written about 20 years ago, they are about how to make and use traditional bows. I would suggest finding the pdfs online if you want to read them. The 4th volume has a guide to making a longbow out of a hardwood board that will work admirably, but there is tons of information in those books about both self bows and composit bows, even how to make your own arrows.

  • @seraphx26
    @seraphx26 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would not call this bow garbage, it doesn't live up to proper standards to be considered a good recurve bow, but if it shoots accurately and holds up over time it is good enough to use for target shooting or hunting.
    It took ancient people a long time to perfect making bows just right, with whatever they had available, like anything the more you try the more you will learn.

  • @DeWolfCIC
    @DeWolfCIC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was actually an enthralling video. The bow result is irrelevant. You’ve produced a calm step by step of - effectively - some failures. Far aside from the balls it takes to do such a video, it’s enlightening and above all, educational.
    I do believe you will be one of those young people who will have this nailed in quite a short time.
    Please keep them coming. And keep trying the bow. Get yourself some dried back sinew and work with that. Well done dude

  • @spacecowboy4804
    @spacecowboy4804 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So your project had inspired me to start looking into bow making! So what I have learned so far is that mongols also used horn on the belly in order to add draw weight in addition to the sinew. I have learned from clay hayes channel that backstrap sinew works best because it is very long and and you do not have to layer it as much. The third thing I noticed was that your bow did not have any siyahs. Now I am
    No expert but I think the mongols added siyahs to the limb tips to act as levers which added a little fps to the shot. We’re learning together man. Best of luck!

  • @Sk0lzky
    @Sk0lzky 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Oh shit I love this ghetto setup, it's even more improvised than mine

  • @newred8924
    @newred8924 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really great video! No fat in the video, nicely shot and edited!

  • @afeemm
    @afeemm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello smarty,.......I don't know ur name......I am from India........I appreciate the way u made the video.......ur creativity.......god bless u .....

  • @lepmuhangpa
    @lepmuhangpa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Second times a charm. Great job bro.

  • @836dmar
    @836dmar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’d like to see you do this again with a stronger center section. It appears to have potential.

  • @wyomin50ball
    @wyomin50ball 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    your creativity & determination at your age...the result doesn’t matter.

  • @IndianaBows
    @IndianaBows 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This one is not like that you want, but it's a cool bow. Keeping trying and don't give up. =)

  • @johnhanley9946
    @johnhanley9946 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Where's the horn though?

  • @larrywalker1435
    @larrywalker1435 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can never go wrong with using a jig saw they’re the best tools for beginners

  • @cybernoid001
    @cybernoid001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great first attempt. I hope you try again and use some of the techniques that others use to form the steam bending and I didn't see any horn backing? Try to add that next time and of course, use real tendon/sinew, it has way better spring and tension properties. If you do use natural materials, then you should really use natural hide glue, (Fish glue is historically accurate if your making it from sturgeon swim bladder from what I've read) the protein structure binds better than traditional glue. For wood, Maple, or Osage Orage work really well for bows. This is a project I intend to do myself at some point, I just haven't gotten to it.

    • @campaignmain7953
      @campaignmain7953  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the input, I do plan to make a second attempt at this project, and will definitely keep this advice in mind.

  • @skywoodz5220
    @skywoodz5220 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ash makes the best wood even better and more flexible than hickory

  • @ДмитрийЖуравлев-щ3б
    @ДмитрийЖуравлев-щ3б 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job!

  • @menghis7286
    @menghis7286 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should do more videos like this; your other videos pale in comparison

  • @damlynch1535
    @damlynch1535 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I bet a toy bow would have more power lol no disrespect meant at all but you would be better off finding a red hickory tree and carve out a bow just peel the bark and wala you have the back of the bow then buy all the bowyers bible and build a shaving horse and buy a ferriers rasp and easy to build a tiller. Raw hide backing is easy if you want but self bow is practical sorry but that's some fancy kendlin lol I respect your effort that's how we learn

  • @fidenciovelasco8978
    @fidenciovelasco8978 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gracias por su birlos excelentes videos gracias por su birlos excelentes videos

  • @dasssme6039
    @dasssme6039 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    first attempt --- you did great -- keep going-- the sinew you used never seen that before -- but the curves where not steamed -- they are separate pieces google Mongolian horse bow parts

    • @jjw5165
      @jjw5165 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mongol formula i read was 15 year tree limbs carved and steam baked for months in form. I think process would go faster if had wood curved natural. But whole bow took 2 years to make.

    • @jjw5165
      @jjw5165 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not limbs but trunk 15y

    • @dasssme6039
      @dasssme6039 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      wow your smart-- BUT -- siyah

    • @dasssme6039
      @dasssme6039 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      the Mongolians-- did not steam there recurves-- it is a separate piece of wood or horn called the siyah (feel free to google it ) next time read for a hour THEN post something that makes no sense

  • @akkiekippekakkie7157
    @akkiekippekakkie7157 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This looks pretty hard

  • @sangomasmith
    @sangomasmith 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Check out poor folks' bows for tips on tillering.

  • @fidenciovelasco8978
    @fidenciovelasco8978 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gracias por su birlos excelentes videos gracias

  • @alexgodfrey_xx2384
    @alexgodfrey_xx2384 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should of put some oil on it dose not make it work better but makes it look better and the string going on the sting u used it can lose a lot of tension

  • @user-fq7eh3jz7u
    @user-fq7eh3jz7u 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:07 I felt that

  • @mackenziemoore6907
    @mackenziemoore6907 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Birch wood is not a good bow wood for max power olsage or hickory is what you need maple is pretty good to your bow looked an worked fine for a first bow good job an try some Titebond glue it's magic

  • @rock_ok
    @rock_ok 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    by recreating more you can make a better you just keep up.

  • @E-BikingAdventures
    @E-BikingAdventures 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's the draw weight? I'm guessing about 5 lbs.

    • @michaelpierce8602
      @michaelpierce8602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha yeah likely somewhere around 15-20 if he can get to “40m”

  • @ninjaman1138
    @ninjaman1138 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i dont have an uncle, whos house should i now go to?

  • @Neverdyingpride
    @Neverdyingpride 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    you need wild goat horn on one side and that sinew takes like months to dry in arrid environment so good luck

  • @simonphoenix3789
    @simonphoenix3789 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    somehow I don't believe the account of mongols using bows weighing 160lbs. Maybe for training bows, but it doesn't make sense or seem believable that they would be using such heavy bows, especially when they are so short and used on horseback. its not that the material wouldn't be strong enough to make such a bow. Its that as Mongols were not up against heavily armored knights in plate, there would be little reason for them to try and make such heavy bows, sacrificing accuracy and firing speed. If I had to guess, I'd say most of their bows were probably between 50-90lbs or so, with a few rare bows going beyond that.

    • @campaignmain7953
      @campaignmain7953  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      the bow weight doesn't mean the weight of the bow itself, its the amount of force required to pull back the string, its also called the draw weight.

  • @shahkhalid8034
    @shahkhalid8034 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice try dude haahhaaha enjoyed alot the lnding of the arrow

  • @kursat9024
    @kursat9024 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This isTurkish bow

  • @bered4894
    @bered4894 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:40 tanning shop? What‘s that

  • @davidfredenburg8283
    @davidfredenburg8283 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    MAKE IT FROM HORN THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY MADE FROM

    • @campaignmain7953
      @campaignmain7953  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes normally you would use horn to back the bow which increases draw strength and if I was going to be completely accurate to the original design I would have done this. However I was not confident enough in my knowledge to try this on a first attempt, but on my second I promise I will use horn.

  • @KingoftheJiangl
    @KingoftheJiangl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You need horn and sinew

  • @jjw5165
    @jjw5165 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job learning, start with a one piece self bow. Then work out to curves and bow tips. Then learn about real sinew and rawhide, how to make fish glue and hide glue. Modern wood glue and epoxy have plusses and minuses. Last i would learn to use horn. Easier and cheaper to start learning bowmakeing with pvc pipe and a heat gun watch ytubes

  • @keliweisgerber3896
    @keliweisgerber3896 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I started with Woodglut plans.

  • @tdws5754
    @tdws5754 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:00

  • @santarf.d.3180
    @santarf.d.3180 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just like me fr

  • @robertmetevier9710
    @robertmetevier9710 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're comparing apples to oranges

  • @MrDalebob1957
    @MrDalebob1957 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude you still have the makings of a bow you already know this get some real sinew . Go on line try three rivers . Hide glue works just as well . They will argue about this but it does. You need to back the bow after the sinew with something to make it water resistant ,.it won't be water proof . If you cheat and use carpenters glue it will be waterproof ,

  • @creektilghman9187
    @creektilghman9187 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wood Prix is a good solution for every woodworker.

  • @gergelymagyar8976
    @gergelymagyar8976 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is hungarian bow ...

  • @sheevthesenatepalpatine8863
    @sheevthesenatepalpatine8863 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I took workshop so I can't do it

    • @campaignmain7953
      @campaignmain7953  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Correct, i'm afraid you'll need to find a video worthy of your skills

  • @rysbekissov606
    @rysbekissov606 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Кыпшакский лук

  • @rupertbear6883
    @rupertbear6883 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    fish glue??? in mongolia !

    • @campaignmain7953
      @campaignmain7953  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      At one point The Mongolian empire was the largest land based empire in the History of the world, so don't assume they wouldn't have access to this based on the current countries resources.

    • @hmmm6317
      @hmmm6317 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lakes exist you know

  • @spacecowboy4804
    @spacecowboy4804 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Add siyahs

  • @kursat9024
    @kursat9024 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bu türk yayı moğol degil

  • @simonphoenix3789
    @simonphoenix3789 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow you should have learned how to make a selfbow first. trying to make a composite bow your first time around without even knowing how to apply sinew properly is a recipe for disaster. And wait... did you just use artificial sinew for your bow? That is just polyester... it doesn't have the same physical property that sinew does.

  • @raufaksoy5182
    @raufaksoy5182 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hahah turkish bow

  • @gonzalovegaromero
    @gonzalovegaromero 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👎🏻👎🏻

  • @jimmyjames_yt
    @jimmyjames_yt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    without sinew - thumbs down

    • @campaignmain7953
      @campaignmain7953  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I did use sinew, it unfortunately though was only a synthetic sinew as I was unable to obtain natural sinew in the time I had to do this project.

  • @ionsorinporojan149
    @ionsorinporojan149 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear boy , you have no ideea what you are doing ...That is clear !!!

    • @campaignmain7953
      @campaignmain7953  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well I cant refute that claim. This project was more about learning for me as this was the first time id ever attempted a project like this so if you have any critiques or ideas about what I should do differently in order to improve the final product I would appreciate it.

  • @brandyhawking7908
    @brandyhawking7908 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great to see it. I did it too. The plans from Woodglut helped me a lot :)