Do you care about what is true, or what is practical? Because, from what Boyo is saying, it has become a dichotomy in the literal sense. We cannot know if God exists, but we can act as if it does in some mass delusion in order to push towards Apollonian goals.
I was always kinda Christian, raised in that kind of house but never went to church a a kid, but I never really thought hard on it as I grew up. As time went on, I turned more and more towards faith and the lessons in the Bible greatly increased my outlook on life.
I doubt you've actually read the bible in its entirety because doing so brings with it a high probability of becoming atheist. This is what happened to me after growing up devoutly christian. You'd have to be seriously gullible and smooth brained to read that shit and think any of that happened or that it's anything other than a tool to control the masses. Weak shit. 😂
I want to see *futuristic traditionalism* become a thing soon, postmodernism being deconstructed itself by old values and reinvigorated through a modern context.
Modernism is good. Post-modernism was created to despoil all that as good in modernism; the gung-ho embrace of the future, excellence & prosperity in an age of untold possibilities. The losers of modernism got together, rubbing their grubby little hands together talking about "deconstructing" the system. Now here we are.
"postmodernism being deconstructed itself by old values" YES BROTHER! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. We should embrace deconstruction and not run away from it. We already know our values and beliefs are the TRUTH, now we need to weaponise the enemy's tools against them.
Boyo, I am so glad I found you. I have devoured your videos. I read all Nietzsche's bibliography 10 yrs ago when I was in highschool. Can't fucking believe I found someone saying out loud what I have been thinking all this time. I didn't think I would see us, those who are a bridge, emerge from the darkness in my lifetime. The internet and language are indeed powerful instruments in the right hands. You gave me hope that we will soon prevail. Know that, even in solitude, us warriors have been fighting all along.
Absolutely fantastic video. Many people would do well to understand your points about going out and actually living as it relates to religion, instead of just burying themselves in ideology and theology. I know for myself, I was super into the arguments between denominations of Christianity, "Catholics BASED" "No, Orthodox BASED", "No, Protestants BASED"... but eventually it comes to a point where you drive yourself nuts. Just pick a church, find a young adult group and some friends there to go camping with or something. It is far, FAR more healthy to do that and postpone trying to pick which denom of Christianity you think is true after analyzing all the different church fathers and how they align with each denom's teachings
I think you should do both. Denominations are just the fore-step before religious meiosis. Those branches slowly become their own trees and you can’t sit atop the both of them. You’ll have to settle in one eventually and it’s best to do it based on the content rather than which provided you with better friends for a camping trip.
The Catholics and Orthodox believe that every single one of their dogmas are literally true, and if you don't believe them, you can't be a part of the church. Protestants often suffer on the other hand from not even knowing what they believe, and having their religion mean next to nothing as a result. I am not aware of a single church that is structured enough to help me, while also being open enough to allow me to honestly search.
This video made me think about the abortion issue. And what that specific issue tells us about our culture. Imagine upwards of 60% of people thinking someone's choice is worth more then a potential life. And they always bring up extreme examples like in cases of r***, or if the mother's life is threatened. When these account for a very small percentage of abortions. It's life-denying ultimately.
I think the extremes of the decision making are what's interesting Would people needlessly abort children if we had a strong life promoting culture? Maybe with a strong life seeking culture you could keep medical options like this open But we don't have a strong culture, ours is full of death instincts...
More interessting I think is the question, why do you value life? What is the motivation for you to take a pro-life position, not for yourself but for others. And is it about the unborn? The women? The greater collective/"your people" who dont multiply enough? I think to know ones own motivations for holding a position that affects the decisions of others is really important. I for myself do feel pity for the young women who willingly give up their child, that connection to another being and the opportunity to be mother. But I don't know on what ground I could force her to make the 'right' decision.
@@huginn1879 I didn't say anything about forcing anyone to do anything. Sure, in a perfect world abortion wouldn't exist, but I'm not an idealist in that sense. I think outlawing abortion is pretty untenable right now.
@@huginn1879 To answer your first question, In an ontological sense I can't say life is objectively valuable. But everyone who is currently living clearly values life in some capacity. And to varying degrees I suppose. So I think it's almost an absurdity to argue against valuing life in most contexts. Also, when I say "life", I'm using the Nietzschean sense of the word. Which is a bit more broad then the colloquial term. Usually a synonym for reality itself.
Im Catholic and went to church every Sunday until i was 12, i revolted against going and my grandfather punished me by never taking me to church on Sundays after that, but when i become a father for the first time i suddenly realized that im conservative and actually have strong opinions about a lot.. i think you can only believe in somthing by realizing or genualy understanding and acceptance.. young people today are being psychologicaly attacked in a way that did not exist when people lived whit God..
Something interesting on the point of religion and faith being a fundamental tool for promoting life is the Mosaic law. Most of Leviticus/Numbers could be rephrased as "maximize the odds that all of you will be fruitful and multiply".
16:25 if people are becoming more religious, this is spot on. I have come to understand many people close to me go back to traditional rituals, without declaring that their ritualistic beliefs relate to anything metaphysical in reality.
Yes Boyo this is so spot on , your points are resonating with me so much, the issues of the mind and finding your life in thinking is an addiction we are all succumb to in the west currently and the lack of religion traditions or rituals etc in the media and the collective media’s is destroying so many peoples lives as there is a huge lack of community in the west now and people are feeding into their fear and individualism and that is sucking the life out of people experiences. Yeah what a mess . The person who is a victim to this has their heads full of such dillusional shite they can’t hear the truth . So yes the practice of religion helps humans live meaningful lives but it’s not perfect as it can backfire and spiral down destructive paths when we get into our heads and don’t find our life in a felt emotional way .
Dude!... I respect your content... Definitely you are making my eyes open to what's real to life. Truth is easier to believe, and the truth you preach makes sense in my heart, mind, and soul. Keep up the good works. I'm addicted to your channel more than my addiction to alcohol, marijuana, and cigarettes.
People have the need for a moral frame, a set of values and beliefs. People do see how it is to live without it and understand the cost of it. It's not that weird.
Agreed. Even the most savage subhuman needs some conceptual framework to make sense of perceptual data his sense organs deliver to his brain. Religions are stock canned conceptual frameworks that fulfill that purpose; what’s more, they alleviate death anxiety through the promise of heaven, and they assuage the outraged and maligned through the promise of hell. Philosophy is much subtler than that.
I went back into paganism. I recommend looking into survive the jive and operation werewolf with Paul Waggoner. Also would like to add , one thing that really helped me feel like I made the right decision to follow this path was your video on how Christianity was Romes woke movement.
Out of curiosity, what are the core texts of paganism? Is there an unbroken line from the pre-Christian days to now? I ask, because it doesn't seem to me that there is. What I have seen from the neopagan movement is a desire to piece together a belief system from the scant material remains left from these ancient cultures, without much success.
@@Safe-and-effective I think you are looking at it the wrong way. There are no “texts”, pagans didn’t have texts, their beliefs came from a time when written records were impractical or non-existent, save for Ancient Greeks, Latins, and Indians. They didn’t have a concept of “religion”, the world view was in turn with nature and was synonymous with history. Neopaganism is reconstructionist and uses archaeology and cross referencing of what little written materials and accounts we have to piece together a comprehensive cosmology and mythos. There isn’t really a necessity for an “unbroken” line as the belief system has always changed and adapted to the needs of the people that followed it, it is a living belief system. A lot of pagan beliefs and practices survived in Catholicism and Orthodoxy, which can be “de-christianized”.
@@monkeymoment6478 First off, thanks for taking the time to answer. Second, though I hope to listen from the OP himself, you have certainly clarified some things. It seems to me that the point of returning to a tradition is to take on a clear path, against the ambiguous', relativistic society we are in. If a path is fragmentary, that is not clearly defined, how can one successfully return to it?
@Safe-and-effective that was the right question to ask. The answer is unfortunately not a yes or no answer. Neopagans and neopaganism have a very shaky foundation if they have one at all. Being that it is a "reconstructionalist" religion, alot of people just make things up entirely or get hung up on historical details with little emphasis on the living parts of a religion. That said, I do think it does exist. Firstly, our laws, our democracy, our western philosophy, and even Christianity have preserved the heart of paganism in a massive way. Most of the Greco-Roman ideals are still alive and well, Norse mythology is also well preserved, and to the east we have Hinduism, which, while not entirely "unbroken" had remained an indo european pagan religion for thousands of years. In short, it's not as easy as going to a church where you have everything laid out before you, but true paganism can still be a viable solution. Furthermore, I would argue that it is this original western culture that holds the components needed to actually help and change things within our society. But that's another long argument on its own.
Paganism, at root, was concerned about Orthopraxy over Orthodoxy. what you say about the undue obsession about “truth” is another argument for the revival of paganism.
Commented earlier when i was roughly half way through. Ive finally finished the entire video, and all i can say is well done! I may be biased (having a very similar take myself) but this is the best take ive heard on religion and the arguments to be made for each. Im definitely gonna subscribe. I havent heard of you before today but i am very impressed! Standing ovation!
This juicy one has really made me think. That instead of chasing other culture's ways completely, while abandoning our own may be a bad idea in the Long run. Our western culture has a lot of beauty underneath and beyond he wokeness, ego-centeredness and declining spirituality. It's up to us to learn from our mistakes and care for the culture that brought us up!
To say Eastern Orthodox Christianity is "a symbolic language" doesn't really encompass it All of life is a pattern ( as Pageau says - a fractal pattern ( he means a self-similar pattern ( mathematicians might quibble on this definition.. but, most people understand what he means when he says this ( like a tree and branches - self-similar ) ) ) ). Eastern Orthodox Christianity is kinda like a Rosetta Stone Participation in the Orthodox liturgy = learning the language of life Reading the Bible / Church Fathers = using Duolingo, Participating in the liturgy ~= Living in the country of the language Having an existential moment = experiencing the pattern first-hand
directly brushing up against the pattern is freaky freaky shit happens when you do like crazily uncanny things and you're always left wth a sense of - wow, I'm on the edge of chaos one little misstep...
It is similar to how a cognitive scientist I've discovered ( dr. John Vervaeke) interestingly defined religion having a set of psychotechnologies. Not an end for themselves but a set of inherited tools. I invite you to take a look at his meaning crisis series, I think it might greatly complement your works !
I have watched the part on socrates and buddha....both were superbly enlightening and have just settled on my thought process though I had just watched them one time
I went back to religion, because it provides me with something I need: meaning and consequences. Also, I came to realize that religion is the only way to combat liberalism. Not on a political level, but on an esoteric level, you can only destroy the internal liberal one day at a time. Most atheism is just basically "I will do what I want, when I want." All the intellectualism surrounding atheism is just post-hoc rationalization of the desire to do whatever you want. At any rate, christianity is not gonna die anytime soon so thats pretty good :)
Something pointed out to me by a very big history buff friend of mine. America has undergone a massive religious revival pretty much every 100 years or so. You had a mass of protestant missionaries in the 1700's, the great awakenings in the 1840's, the televangelist movement in the 1950's. So who knows, we may very well see the trend continue.
When times get tougher, people tend to turn more to religion and spirituality. The less control we feel that we have in our own lives, the more we start turning to a higher power. We feel a need to find meaning in our suffering as an important coping mechanism. That's why you don't find many atheists amongst 1st responders & soldiers. Because they are constantly dealing with the tragedy' of life and things that are outside of other people's control. As we suffer, we want to find meaning in that suffering. Religion and spiruality seems to offer the best way to do that.
I went to church for the first time ever just the other day, don't see myself becoming Christian but it was a very wholesome experience. I had gone to Hillsong once but that was actually insane.
The problem with Beyond and Evil is, good is receeding and Evil is being thrown into relief. We can see it now. We can't pretend it's not threatening us. So, yes, I bet people are returning to religion. It's a good place to fortify.
I'm skeptical about this so called religious revival. I just don't see it. Yeah Tate and Sneako converted, but frankly in the grand scheme of things, no one gives a flying f**k about them. A lot of average people still don't know who these guys are, and if they do, they are mostly indifferent. They look at these people as more of a meme then actual role models. And the numbers don't lie, in the western world, religion is on the decline still. Especially in my generation and my country, America. Really, it's probably even worse in north-western Europe. And maybe it's just me, but I really don't think that Andrew Tate and Sneako are going to be the ones to bring religion back.
Conviction, then, is no part of a sinner’s salvation-but the clear practical knowledge of the fact that he cannot save himself, and is entirely dependent on the saving grace of God.
On the woman question in the west, I think it's a lot more natural then we think. In a way, woman have always had privileges that men have not, all throughout history. Women have always been considered inherently more valuable then men. And especially in the Christian world. But this phenomena as become perverted due to the technological world we live in now. We have not properly adapted to this yet.
To paraphrase Seneca, I regarded religion as true when I was a child, I regarded religion as false when I was a teenager, and I regard religion as useful now that I’m an adult. I’m not religious at all, but I’m not going to advertise that fact if it doesn’t serve my purpose to do so. Religion is a useful psychological fulcrum to move the world of individual believers if you have the stones to move them. It’s a coping mechanism for death anxiety (Heaven) and for dealing with injustice by one’s betters (Hell) like any secular one (Utopian state vs climate change apocalypse, for example). Not to say that that’s bad, just that it’s not special or desirable in any sense except the Darwinian one, since religion survives and propagates into the next generation.
In case of my country, religion is most significant on the political level, as the politics are usually what keeps people religious when they're not practising, or makes them involved with the religious institutions in the first place. Christianity is unique, as it has two sides, namely the New Covenant, which focuses on the individual and controlling the animal-instincts, similar to Buddhism, but also the Old Covenant, which focuses on the community and controlling the external environment, similar to Paganism.
I am a faithful believer in our Lord Kaolemos, God of Stupidity, I go to countless kindergartens, middle schools, high schools and colleges to spread and profess his teachings! :D BRAIN BAD, NO THINK, LIVE LONGER, SMASH PROBLEM!
Its much more simple. Tradition and religion are a new counter culture. In the age of inclusivity, equality, acceptance etc, its not interesting to younger population to comply with what is officially accepted. Who are the new "cool" kids now? So called sigmas, chad, trads. Young people are drawn to things that are not as welcome, that are seen as odd and weird. Few decades back you were basic if you lived normal and traditional life, now you are cool if you do it because you fight the mainstream culture of the modern day. Of course not everyone is like that, but on average you can see such waves of behavior. I agree with you on most points, but people dont think that deeply about things.
Listening to this alongside "Old Library Sounds | Rain , Thunderstorm and Howling Wind Ambience | 3 Hours" by New Bliss, goes together like cookies and milk. edit: along side to alongside :D
You've made a strong argument for religion serving the purpose of "life" and fundamentally I think you are correct. I would argue that a religion has to also provide truth. The lack of truth is why religion waned in the first place, it's why people get stuck in their heads, and as a Perrenialist, I am a firm believer that this actual "truth" does indeed exist. You will find it within the vast majority of religions and philosophies, you'll find it in tales of heroes, and in the Conversations you have with better men. There is unfortunately, despite all of this truth, a ton of lies and faulty pretenses within every religion as well. For example, if one finds his peace by becoming his "true self" he cannot deny his earthly existence. That's a whole other topic, but I'm staunchly opposed to the idea that I'm not of this earth, that this earth is evil or an illusion, and that I don't belong here. Too many religions preach this kind of doctrine and it holds men back from reaching their true potential, yet they all claim to be concerned with becoming your "true self." Pacifistic doctrines completely embody this mismatch, which is why I think pagan gods provide the best example of what I should strive to become.
it's Peterson-style meta-modern "faith": "W-Well, I *act* like I believe God exists." essentially, people are tired of just being confused, and at the same time they have become more cynical about political narratives, so they're retreating to 'just do what [insert religious tradition here] says' as a safe alternative. they'll take any source of moral certainty they can get, even while they know that they're just pretending to believe in it.
I’ve been Catholic for about a year now. Living with Christ is a mystery that continues to unfold. There are ups, downs, and moments of true peace. But best of all, the hope in eternal life in Heaven with Jesus.
It’s cool to see how Uber deconstructs and show the weakest forms and traits of Islam and Christianity and immediately bring forward the strongest values and perspectives of the religions right after. It provides a whole spectrum of ideas onto the scene. This vid exemplifies Boyo’s best work to date.
What Jesus taught is that our our body is the true church. The kingdom of heaven is within if you want true salvation on a very deep level. I think for people who went through a lot of losses and trauma, even getting abused by these traditional institutions will not want to go back to them.
31:42 there are lots of religions that are not about life, forget this "paganism" that just means not christian, each cult was it's own religion and they came in ALL shapes and sizes.
Uberboyo, have you looked into Integral Theory (Spirituality, Psychology..etc) via Ken Wilber? It would be fascinating to hear your experience exploring this framework which lays out an evolution of worldviews….premodern, modern, postmodern….and beyond those….higher integrations. It lays out and honors the strengths of each rung on this developmental ladder while observing its limitations, risks…etc. Going forward to a new level can mean taking a deeper look at prior stages in order to honor and integrate them.
Thank you for anudder great video man ;D you ever thought of doing a Q&A video? Be my Dr. Boyo? lol love you dude.. making me wish my ancestors never left Scotland so I could be rocking that accent.. seriously tho thanks for the videos
1:04:00 This is when Uberboyo's furry boyfriend showed up to start the yiffing session. Good on him for being able to to keep up with the script while being otherwise occupied.
Fantastic! We don’t need anything new just a life enhancing reframe. If you let go of fear based perspectives (fight flight reaction is problematic, too high arousal, unless in an immediate threat) and listen to yourself from a compassionate, kind, loving perspective toward self or other. The way forward is then effortless, however we need reminded often to stay intentional, conscious, which I guess is ritual.
Hey bro. You should really do a podcast. I’m 200% sure you would absolutely kill it. I was rewatching your interview with Andrew Tate and you were really fucking good there. I can really see you reaching Joe Rogan heights. Just a friendly advice.
We've certainly had a lot of extra help in despising ourselves and in encouraging a lust or fascination with "the other" (in the case of the west) what with the infiltration of our system by the desconstructionists and critical theorists
They’re not. The western world is rapidly becoming atheistic. One example of someone turning to religion, i.e. Tate, is not indicative of the majority of people in general becoming religious. I’m unsure where you’re finding any data for this statement, if you’d like to show it.
Atheism is like a red giant star which is expanding while it’s core is collapsing in that it really provides next to no benefit for the individual or the community. Right now the conditions for a change or a collapse are being configured under your nose - the mainstream western religions are being stripped down of the dross and being taken over by hard core types. What is going to happen to European welfare when the pension crisis hits in the next year. The states will fail - that is certain . The religions may well rise again - they have a good chance
@@Gm-ce5kg i don’t think so man…the numbers are still increasing. Of course it isn’t going to be within just a few generations, however, with the new ability to transfer information instantaneously via the internet, people are asking questions and receiving answers. They are no longer locked into a religious echochamber.
@@Aisatsana1971 y know i think you took the quote in the wrong sense, he never said EVERYONE gets more religious, he said "pepole", i understand it can be interpreted as "everyone" but saying lots of pepole become religious just means that, lads, folks, persons, so it also states the possible decrease of religion overall is not a purely downwards diagram
LOL! RETURNING to Religion was the plan all along Boyo! It's a Pendulum Swing back into the arms of Mother Church. Bringing in the sheaves, bringing in the sheaves, We shall come rejoicing, bringing in the sheaves.
Markets tell us important things about the real world. And markets are telling us that religion is pretty worthless, considering the poor earnings prospects for people who graduate from college with degrees in theology, religious studies, biblical languages and other wastes of time. You would do better by majoring in business, because at least you could become employable right out of college at a decent wage.
I think you got really close to noticing the parallels between the decadent culture and the horror, and the religious culture and the virgin. Ultimately New Life comes from outside, it comes from the other, but if you let in the outside without wisdom and without remembering your origin you will receive death instead of life.
@Uberboyo while im at it, i would also recommend paul wallis and neil douglas klotz. Not quite as relevant as jorjanis work, but they both have very interesting perspectives on christianity that i would love to see you get into
I'm at a strange point in my life and I don't know what to do. I despised Christianity all the way up until I was 18 years old (Because Christians annoyed TF outta me and I hate the concept of hell) but over the past few years it's been drawing me in heavily. It started when I read the Narnia books and then when I read the 4 gospels, they had a big impact on my heart. But I am fighting with all my might to resist it, because I suspect that if I became a Christian it would be a massive cope and side-effect of loneliness, helplessness and desperation (and of course some of the dark reasons Nietzche pointed out). And my Christianity would be very heretical anyway, so I wouldn't have a big community of people. Any advice? I could really use it. Thanks!
I had the same impression growing up around American protestantism, but I have found the Catholic Church, at least in my area, to be filled with beautiful, wholesome, strong Chad families. And none of that cringey confrontationalism.
Brother, I would say, give It a try. Ironically, i think It would be a greater Cope to resist what you perceive to be true Just because you are afraid It might be Cope. Were u drawn to faith by the promisse of community i might agree with you, but you have been touched by its truth, That is a much deeper calling, one o believe you should answer. May God be with you either way Man, i wish you well.
“Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is.” Albert Camus
@@pordonjeterson oooof
@@pordonjeterson I believe Camus would agree lol
@guitarszen Camus would agree with that too.
@@justadude4826 you’re in for a treat
I still can;t live to his idealism: accepting the absurd
We all worship something. There is no escaping human nature
I was just thinking about this yesterday. We need to worship, but we do have a tendency to worship phony idols (idolatry).
@@justadude4826 Bad ones. Not all idols have to be phony. It’s implied because of the concept of idolatry, but one doesn’t necessarily mean the other.
@@justadude4826 Edit:
Correction. I meant ‘phony’.
Lots of people worship themselves nowadays.
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Yep. Religion replaced with narcissism.
Came across this and it feels like a synchronicity. I find myself turning to religion and abandoning antitheism.
Be Catholic
@@Christiancatholic7 Praise Wotan
@@SigmarAcademy better than being Protestant I guess
Do you care about what is true, or what is practical? Because, from what Boyo is saying, it has become a dichotomy in the literal sense. We cannot know if God exists, but we can act as if it does in some mass delusion in order to push towards Apollonian goals.
What can you KNOW exists beyond your own consciousness?
I was always kinda Christian, raised in that kind of house but never went to church a a kid, but I never really thought hard on it as I grew up. As time went on, I turned more and more towards faith and the lessons in the Bible greatly increased my outlook on life.
Realising Christ lived and died, being the son of God. The living God.
I doubt you've actually read the bible in its entirety because doing so brings with it a high probability of becoming atheist. This is what happened to me after growing up devoutly christian. You'd have to be seriously gullible and smooth brained to read that shit and think any of that happened or that it's anything other than a tool to control the masses. Weak shit. 😂
I want to see *futuristic traditionalism* become a thing soon, postmodernism being deconstructed itself by old values and reinvigorated through a modern context.
Modernism is good. Post-modernism was created to despoil all that as good in modernism; the gung-ho embrace of the future, excellence & prosperity in an age of untold possibilities. The losers of modernism got together, rubbing their grubby little hands together talking about "deconstructing" the system. Now here we are.
The Amish have been carrying "Traditionalism" into the future since 1693. It can happen in some form.
Look up Archeofuturism by Guillaume Faye, this strain of thought already exists
"postmodernism being deconstructed itself by old values" YES BROTHER! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. We should embrace deconstruction and not run away from it. We already know our values and beliefs are the TRUTH, now we need to weaponise the enemy's tools against them.
"Futuristic Traditionalism" is a contradiction in terms. What your describing is Neo-Trasitionalism, and it already exists in Islam.
Probably you're most grounded and based video so far. Excellent job Uberboyo!
Boyo, I am so glad I found you. I have devoured your videos. I read all Nietzsche's bibliography 10 yrs ago when I was in highschool. Can't fucking believe I found someone saying out loud what I have been thinking all this time. I didn't think I would see us, those who are a bridge, emerge from the darkness in my lifetime. The internet and language are indeed powerful instruments in the right hands. You gave me hope that we will soon prevail. Know that, even in solitude, us warriors have been fighting all along.
You are so on point with this. I've actually had a breakthrough. Thanks!
Nietzsche and Schopenhauer always come to mind with this topic.
Absolutely fantastic video. Many people would do well to understand your points about going out and actually living as it relates to religion, instead of just burying themselves in ideology and theology.
I know for myself, I was super into the arguments between denominations of Christianity, "Catholics BASED" "No, Orthodox BASED", "No, Protestants BASED"... but eventually it comes to a point where you drive yourself nuts. Just pick a church, find a young adult group and some friends there to go camping with or something. It is far, FAR more healthy to do that and postpone trying to pick which denom of Christianity you think is true after analyzing all the different church fathers and how they align with each denom's teachings
I think you should do both. Denominations are just the fore-step before religious meiosis. Those branches slowly become their own trees and you can’t sit atop the both of them. You’ll have to settle in one eventually and it’s best to do it based on the content rather than which provided you with better friends for a camping trip.
The Catholics and Orthodox believe that every single one of their dogmas are literally true, and if you don't believe them, you can't be a part of the church. Protestants often suffer on the other hand from not even knowing what they believe, and having their religion mean next to nothing as a result. I am not aware of a single church that is structured enough to help me, while also being open enough to allow me to honestly search.
I've been confused what church to pick. So thanks for the push!
This video made me think about the abortion issue. And what that specific issue tells us about our culture. Imagine upwards of 60% of people thinking someone's choice is worth more then a potential life. And they always bring up extreme examples like in cases of r***, or if the mother's life is threatened. When these account for a very small percentage of abortions. It's life-denying ultimately.
I think the extremes of the decision making are what's interesting
Would people needlessly abort children if we had a strong life promoting culture?
Maybe with a strong life seeking culture you could keep medical options like this open
But we don't have a strong culture, ours is full of death instincts...
More interessting I think is the question, why do you value life? What is the motivation for you to take a pro-life position, not for yourself but for others. And is it about the unborn? The women? The greater collective/"your people" who dont multiply enough? I think to know ones own motivations for holding a position that affects the decisions of others is really important. I for myself do feel pity for the young women who willingly give up their child, that connection to another being and the opportunity to be mother. But I don't know on what ground I could force her to make the 'right' decision.
@@huginn1879 I didn't say anything about forcing anyone to do anything. Sure, in a perfect world abortion wouldn't exist, but I'm not an idealist in that sense. I think outlawing abortion is pretty untenable right now.
@@huginn1879 To answer your first question, In an ontological sense I can't say life is objectively valuable. But everyone who is currently living clearly values life in some capacity. And to varying degrees I suppose. So I think it's almost an absurdity to argue against valuing life in most contexts. Also, when I say "life", I'm using the Nietzschean sense of the word. Which is a bit more broad then the colloquial term. Usually a synonym for reality itself.
@@Tehz1359You avoided facing his point, a bit.
"we must reject the modern world, not because it is modern, but because it is evil."
Im Catholic and went to church every Sunday until i was 12, i revolted against going and my grandfather punished me by never taking me to church on Sundays after that, but when i become a father for the first time i suddenly realized that im conservative and actually have strong opinions about a lot.. i think you can only believe in somthing by realizing or genualy understanding and acceptance.. young people today are being psychologicaly attacked in a way that did not exist when people lived whit God..
Something interesting on the point of religion and faith being a fundamental tool for promoting life is the Mosaic law. Most of Leviticus/Numbers could be rephrased as "maximize the odds that all of you will be fruitful and multiply".
Boyo you just keep outdoing yourself 👊 thank you for such amazing video 🫡
Look forward to this one, hoping Spengler's 'Second Religiosity' comes up.
damn, great point and it slipped my mind!
Very good video! I was waiting for this video for some time! By the way, Zeus in Greek is also called Dias (Δίας).
16:25 if people are becoming more religious, this is spot on.
I have come to understand many people close to me go back to traditional rituals, without declaring that their ritualistic beliefs relate to anything metaphysical in reality.
This guy is brilliant, I could listen to him go on and on for hours! 👂⏳️👍
The heart of religion is community. People want to belong and feel wanted.
Havent seen the vid, but I feel in my f*kin zarathustra vibes that this one is going to be extra Juicy
Yes Boyo this is so spot on , your points are resonating with me so much, the issues of the mind and finding your life in thinking is an addiction we are all succumb to in the west currently and the lack of religion traditions or rituals etc in the media and the collective media’s is destroying so many peoples lives as there is a huge lack of community in the west now and people are feeding into their fear and individualism and that is sucking the life out of people experiences. Yeah what a mess . The person who is a victim to this has their heads full of such dillusional shite they can’t hear the truth . So yes the practice of religion helps humans live meaningful lives but it’s not perfect as it can backfire and spiral down destructive paths when we get into our heads and don’t find our life in a felt emotional way .
If in your religion u justify going to church by possibility of finding a girl there, then ur religion have really big problems
If you find a girl and have a family with her and propagate the traditions of your people into the future, is that a problem?
Dude!... I respect your content... Definitely you are making my eyes open to what's real to life. Truth is easier to believe, and the truth you preach makes sense in my heart, mind, and soul. Keep up the good works. I'm addicted to your channel more than my addiction to alcohol, marijuana, and cigarettes.
People have the need for a moral frame, a set of values and beliefs. People do see how it is to live without it and understand the cost of it. It's not that weird.
Agreed. Even the most savage subhuman needs some conceptual framework to make sense of perceptual data his sense organs deliver to his brain. Religions are stock canned conceptual frameworks that fulfill that purpose; what’s more, they alleviate death anxiety through the promise of heaven, and they assuage the outraged and maligned through the promise of hell. Philosophy is much subtler than that.
I went back into paganism. I recommend looking into survive the jive and operation werewolf with Paul Waggoner. Also would like to add , one thing that really helped me feel like I made the right decision to follow this path was your video on how Christianity was Romes woke movement.
Out of curiosity, what are the core texts of paganism? Is there an unbroken line from the pre-Christian days to now? I ask, because it doesn't seem to me that there is. What I have seen from the neopagan movement is a desire to piece together a belief system from the scant material remains left from these ancient cultures, without much success.
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I think you are looking at it the wrong way. There are no “texts”, pagans didn’t have texts, their beliefs came from a time when written records were impractical or non-existent, save for Ancient Greeks, Latins, and Indians. They didn’t have a concept of “religion”, the world view was in turn with nature and was synonymous with history. Neopaganism is reconstructionist and uses archaeology and cross referencing of what little written materials and accounts we have to piece together a comprehensive cosmology and mythos. There isn’t really a necessity for an “unbroken” line as the belief system has always changed and adapted to the needs of the people that followed it, it is a living belief system. A lot of pagan beliefs and practices survived in Catholicism and Orthodoxy, which can be “de-christianized”.
@@Safe-and-effective Books are for idiots. Go live your life nerd.
@@monkeymoment6478 First off, thanks for taking the time to answer. Second, though I hope to listen from the OP himself, you have certainly clarified some things. It seems to me that the point of returning to a tradition is to take on a clear path, against the ambiguous', relativistic society we are in. If a path is fragmentary, that is not clearly defined, how can one successfully return to it?
@Safe-and-effective that was the right question to ask. The answer is unfortunately not a yes or no answer. Neopagans and neopaganism have a very shaky foundation if they have one at all. Being that it is a "reconstructionalist" religion, alot of people just make things up entirely or get hung up on historical details with little emphasis on the living parts of a religion. That said, I do think it does exist. Firstly, our laws, our democracy, our western philosophy, and even Christianity have preserved the heart of paganism in a massive way. Most of the Greco-Roman ideals are still alive and well, Norse mythology is also well preserved, and to the east we have Hinduism, which, while not entirely "unbroken" had remained an indo european pagan religion for thousands of years. In short, it's not as easy as going to a church where you have everything laid out before you, but true paganism can still be a viable solution. Furthermore, I would argue that it is this original western culture that holds the components needed to actually help and change things within our society. But that's another long argument on its own.
Paganism, at root, was concerned about Orthopraxy over Orthodoxy. what you say about the undue obsession about “truth” is another argument for the revival of paganism.
Commented earlier when i was roughly half way through. Ive finally finished the entire video, and all i can say is well done! I may be biased (having a very similar take myself) but this is the best take ive heard on religion and the arguments to be made for each. Im definitely gonna subscribe. I havent heard of you before today but i am very impressed! Standing ovation!
Making me have feels bro thinking about how a whole dog's life could be one boy's childhood.
Whoa ...breh ..
Points for conceptualization
This juicy one has really made me think. That instead of chasing other culture's ways completely, while abandoning our own may be a bad idea in the Long run. Our western culture has a lot of beauty underneath and beyond he wokeness, ego-centeredness and declining spirituality. It's up to us to learn from our mistakes and care for the culture that brought us up!
To say Eastern Orthodox Christianity is "a symbolic language"
doesn't really encompass it
All of life is a pattern ( as Pageau says - a fractal pattern ( he means a self-similar pattern
( mathematicians might quibble on this definition.. but, most people understand what he
means when he says this ( like a tree and branches - self-similar ) ) ) ).
Eastern Orthodox Christianity is kinda like a Rosetta Stone
Participation in the Orthodox liturgy = learning the language of life
Reading the Bible / Church Fathers = using Duolingo,
Participating in the liturgy ~= Living in the country of the language
Having an existential moment = experiencing the pattern first-hand
directly brushing up against the pattern is freaky
freaky shit happens when you do
like crazily uncanny things
and you're always left wth a sense of -
wow, I'm on the edge of chaos
one little misstep...
It is similar to how a cognitive scientist I've discovered ( dr. John Vervaeke) interestingly defined religion having a set of psychotechnologies. Not an end for themselves but a set of inherited tools. I invite you to take a look at his meaning crisis series, I think it might greatly complement your works !
No. Religion is based on the truth of.a higher power
it's not some psychological autistic myopic jewish cope like you're making out
I have watched the part on socrates and buddha....both were superbly enlightening and have just settled on my thought process though I had just watched them one time
I went back to religion, because it provides me with something I need: meaning and consequences.
Also, I came to realize that religion is the only way to combat liberalism. Not on a political level, but on an esoteric level, you can only destroy the internal liberal one day at a time.
Most atheism is just basically "I will do what I want, when I want." All the intellectualism surrounding atheism is just post-hoc rationalization of the desire to do whatever you want.
At any rate, christianity is not gonna die anytime soon so thats pretty good :)
It’s about DRIVE it’s about POWER we stay hungry we DEVOUR put in the WORK put it the HOURS then We WILL take what’s OURS💪🏻
Now you're talking Uberboyo psych + philosophy needs a foundation like religion. Well said, soon I shared 😊 📘🙏❤️🔥
*so I shared. Spirit with ritual is Spiritual religio
Something pointed out to me by a very big history buff friend of mine. America has undergone a massive religious revival pretty much every 100 years or so.
You had a mass of protestant missionaries in the 1700's, the great awakenings in the 1840's, the televangelist movement in the 1950's. So who knows, we may very well see the trend continue.
Rudyard Lynch?
When times get tougher, people tend to turn more to religion and spirituality. The less control we feel that we have in our own lives, the more we start turning to a higher power. We feel a need to find meaning in our suffering as an important coping mechanism.
That's why you don't find many atheists amongst 1st responders & soldiers. Because they are constantly dealing with the tragedy' of life and things that are outside of other people's control. As we suffer, we want to find meaning in that suffering. Religion and spiruality seems to offer the best way to do that.
Because of the meaning crisis. But interestingly, religion is perennial
There's been several meaning crises in history
@@shelbyspeaks3287 I don't know, maybe history repeats itself in different forms
I went to church for the first time ever just the other day, don't see myself becoming Christian but it was a very wholesome experience.
I had gone to Hillsong once but that was actually insane.
The problem with Beyond and Evil is, good is receeding and Evil is being thrown into relief. We can see it now. We can't pretend it's not threatening us. So, yes, I bet people are returning to religion. It's a good place to fortify.
I'm skeptical about this so called religious revival. I just don't see it. Yeah Tate and Sneako converted, but frankly in the grand scheme of things, no one gives a flying f**k about them. A lot of average people still don't know who these guys are, and if they do, they are mostly indifferent. They look at these people as more of a meme then actual role models. And the numbers don't lie, in the western world, religion is on the decline still. Especially in my generation and my country, America. Really, it's probably even worse in north-western Europe. And maybe it's just me, but I really don't think that Andrew Tate and Sneako are going to be the ones to bring religion back.
The distinctions of horizontal development vs vertical development (check Integral Theory) can further expand this conversation.
Boyo-Alert!
“Uberwench”! - lmao
Conviction, then, is no part of a sinner’s salvation-but the clear practical knowledge of the fact that he cannot save himself, and is entirely dependent on the saving grace of God.
I will become the Überwench! 🤣🤣
On the woman question in the west, I think it's a lot more natural then we think. In a way, woman have always had privileges that men have not, all throughout history. Women have always been considered inherently more valuable then men. And especially in the Christian world. But this phenomena as become perverted due to the technological world we live in now. We have not properly adapted to this yet.
High technology and total dependence on it changes the way people behave and not in a good way. Ted K warned about this
To paraphrase Seneca, I regarded religion as true when I was a child, I regarded religion as false when I was a teenager, and I regard religion as useful now that I’m an adult. I’m not religious at all, but I’m not going to advertise that fact if it doesn’t serve my purpose to do so. Religion is a useful psychological fulcrum to move the world of individual believers if you have the stones to move them. It’s a coping mechanism for death anxiety (Heaven) and for dealing with injustice by one’s betters (Hell) like any secular one (Utopian state vs climate change apocalypse, for example). Not to say that that’s bad, just that it’s not special or desirable in any sense except the Darwinian one, since religion survives and propagates into the next generation.
In case of my country, religion is most significant on the political level, as the politics are usually what keeps people religious when they're not practising, or makes them involved with the religious institutions in the first place. Christianity is unique, as it has two sides, namely the New Covenant, which focuses on the individual and controlling the animal-instincts, similar to Buddhism, but also the Old Covenant, which focuses on the community and controlling the external environment, similar to Paganism.
Very well put together that are so relevant to the people of this time. You are the the ubermensch!
I am a faithful believer in our Lord Kaolemos, God of Stupidity, I go to countless kindergartens, middle schools, high schools and colleges to spread and profess his teachings! :D
BRAIN BAD, NO THINK, LIVE LONGER, SMASH PROBLEM!
Its much more simple. Tradition and religion are a new counter culture. In the age of inclusivity, equality, acceptance etc, its not interesting to younger population to comply with what is officially accepted. Who are the new "cool" kids now? So called sigmas, chad, trads. Young people are drawn to things that are not as welcome, that are seen as odd and weird. Few decades back you were basic if you lived normal and traditional life, now you are cool if you do it because you fight the mainstream culture of the modern day. Of course not everyone is like that, but on average you can see such waves of behavior. I agree with you on most points, but people dont think that deeply about things.
My faith was always there, but was lacking practice, now its gone into 5th the last 12 months, and I am at my happiest in those 12 months also!!!
Listening to this alongside "Old Library Sounds | Rain , Thunderstorm and Howling Wind Ambience | 3 Hours" by New Bliss, goes together like cookies and milk.
edit: along side to alongside :D
You've made a strong argument for religion serving the purpose of "life" and fundamentally I think you are correct. I would argue that a religion has to also provide truth. The lack of truth is why religion waned in the first place, it's why people get stuck in their heads, and as a Perrenialist, I am a firm believer that this actual "truth" does indeed exist. You will find it within the vast majority of religions and philosophies, you'll find it in tales of heroes, and in the Conversations you have with better men. There is unfortunately, despite all of this truth, a ton of lies and faulty pretenses within every religion as well. For example, if one finds his peace by becoming his "true self" he cannot deny his earthly existence. That's a whole other topic, but I'm staunchly opposed to the idea that I'm not of this earth, that this earth is evil or an illusion, and that I don't belong here. Too many religions preach this kind of doctrine and it holds men back from reaching their true potential, yet they all claim to be concerned with becoming your "true self." Pacifistic doctrines completely embody this mismatch, which is why I think pagan gods provide the best example of what I should strive to become.
it's Peterson-style meta-modern "faith":
"W-Well, I *act* like I believe God exists."
essentially, people are tired of just being confused, and at the same time they have become more cynical about political narratives, so they're retreating to 'just do what [insert religious tradition here] says' as a safe alternative. they'll take any source of moral certainty they can get, even while they know that they're just pretending to believe in it.
The red pill thing gave me depression, but the spiritual aspect of Christianity is beneficial. I really want get out of the chaos
I’ve been Catholic for about a year now. Living with Christ is a mystery that continues to unfold. There are ups, downs, and moments of true peace. But best of all, the hope in eternal life in Heaven with Jesus.
@@nopenope1244 long live rabbi yeshua ✊🏾
Why not just start your own life-affirming cult of the Uberboyo and we can all join that?
Thats a misunderstanding. The trend is away not towards
This is one of the hardest videos I've seen all year.
Religion never left.
It is in certain countries.
@@Aisatsana1971 no the way they apply " science" is like a religious practice.
@@azirious666 in what way?
@@Aisatsana1971 COVID is a example of that
@@azirious666 you mean following a policy= religion? 😂
It’s cool to see how Uber deconstructs and show the weakest forms and traits of Islam and Christianity and immediately bring forward the strongest values and perspectives of the religions right after. It provides a whole spectrum of ideas onto the scene. This vid exemplifies Boyo’s best work to date.
What Jesus taught is that our our body is the true church. The kingdom of heaven is within if you want true salvation on a very deep level. I think for people who went through a lot of losses and trauma, even getting abused by these traditional institutions will not want to go back to them.
A video of a Nietzschean warlord sharing maps with his allies so that they can forge battle plans.
mr boyo have you ever heard of "the Irish origins of civilization"? i think you might find it interesting
31:42 there are lots of religions that are not about life, forget this "paganism" that just means not christian, each cult was it's own religion and they came in ALL shapes and sizes.
Really enjoyed this. 👌🏻
Your wisdom exceeds your knowledge, thank you expounding Neichze understanding
Great visuals in the last ⅖s
showing the boyos the abyss
Uberboyo, have you looked into Integral Theory (Spirituality, Psychology..etc) via Ken Wilber? It would be fascinating to hear your experience exploring this framework which lays out an evolution of worldviews….premodern, modern, postmodern….and beyond those….higher integrations. It lays out and honors the strengths of each rung on this developmental ladder while observing its limitations, risks…etc. Going forward to a new level can mean taking a deeper look at prior stages in order to honor and integrate them.
Thank you for anudder great video man ;D you ever thought of doing a Q&A video? Be my Dr. Boyo? lol love you dude.. making me wish my ancestors never left Scotland so I could be rocking that accent.. seriously tho thanks for the videos
1:04:00 This is when Uberboyo's furry boyfriend showed up to start the yiffing session. Good on him for being able to to keep up with the script while being otherwise occupied.
My parents are both atheist but my older sister and I are both becoming more christian because of the clear moral decay here in Canada
This is the way.
Fantastic!
We don’t need anything new just a life enhancing reframe.
If you let go of fear based perspectives (fight flight reaction is problematic, too high arousal, unless in an immediate threat) and listen to yourself from a compassionate, kind, loving perspective toward self or other. The way forward is then effortless, however we need reminded often to stay intentional, conscious, which I guess is ritual.
Self and other
Inspirational speaker!
For me it was "deus vult!!" memes. I don't even believe in god, but I recognize that living this life as if I was a crusader is the way to go.
This is the most important video of the Century!
I just initiated into Santeria. Although I like with what the philosophers had to say religion has really quenched my souls thirst.
Thanks!
Man, I love listening to you, you big brainy beautiful bstd.
Steph the Bard
Uberboyo, in exploring Integral Theory via Ken Wilber, you could start with one of his books: ‘Sex, Ecology & Spirituality’.
Man you are something....You words are sharp
Hey bro.
You should really do a podcast.
I’m 200% sure you would absolutely kill it.
I was rewatching your interview with Andrew Tate and you were really fucking good there.
I can really see you reaching Joe Rogan heights.
Just a friendly advice.
Amazing!
Order out of chaos.
When things start to get uncertain a structure system is what people will look for.
We've certainly had a lot of extra help in despising ourselves and in encouraging a lust or fascination with "the other" (in the case of the west) what with the infiltration of our system by the desconstructionists and critical theorists
They’re not. The western world is rapidly becoming atheistic.
One example of someone turning to religion, i.e. Tate, is not indicative of the majority of people in general becoming religious.
I’m unsure where you’re finding any data for this statement, if you’d like to show it.
Atheism is like a red giant star which is expanding while it’s core is collapsing in that it really provides next to no benefit for the individual or the community.
Right now the conditions for a change or a collapse are being configured under your nose - the mainstream western religions are being stripped down of the dross and being taken over by hard core types.
What is going to happen to European welfare when the pension crisis hits in the next year. The states will fail - that is certain . The religions may well rise again - they have a good chance
"rapidly becoming" well they've been for the last 200 years, now the numbers are more stable, this allows for small revivals
@@Gm-ce5kg i don’t think so man…the numbers are still increasing. Of course it isn’t going to be within just a few generations, however, with the new ability to transfer information instantaneously via the internet, people are asking questions and receiving answers. They are no longer locked into a religious echochamber.
@@Aisatsana1971 y know i think you took the quote in the wrong sense, he never said EVERYONE gets more religious, he said "pepole", i understand it can be interpreted as "everyone" but saying lots of pepole become religious just means that, lads, folks, persons, so it also states the possible decrease of religion overall is not a purely downwards diagram
Great job mate
Nice! Just about 50-100 very pertinent points about western modernity.
The first Man who forged the first empire was Sargon King of Akkad worshiper of Innana the Goddess...
Bravo boyo
LOL! RETURNING to Religion was the plan all along Boyo! It's a Pendulum Swing back into the arms of Mother Church. Bringing in the sheaves, bringing in the sheaves, We shall come rejoicing, bringing in the sheaves.
Markets tell us important things about the real world. And markets are telling us that religion is pretty worthless, considering the poor earnings prospects for people who graduate from college with degrees in theology, religious studies, biblical languages and other wastes of time. You would do better by majoring in business, because at least you could become employable right out of college at a decent wage.
Uberwench. You’re the best 😂
I think you got really close to noticing the parallels between the decadent culture and the horror, and the religious culture and the virgin. Ultimately New Life comes from outside, it comes from the other, but if you let in the outside without wisdom and without remembering your origin you will receive death instead of life.
Thank you Reverend UBoyo.
I haven't watched you in like 6 months and I notice a huge difference in your appearance! You look SOOOO HEALTHY? Are you lifting again?
Yes! I had a terrible injury last year, so was at my worst sadly - couldn't lift for 9 months :(
I would love to see you interview jason reza jorjani
actually, planned to do it soon on a channel called break the rules!
@Uberboyo while im at it, i would also recommend paul wallis and neil douglas klotz. Not quite as relevant as jorjanis work, but they both have very interesting perspectives on christianity that i would love to see you get into
I'm at a strange point in my life and I don't know what to do. I despised Christianity all the way up until I was 18 years old (Because Christians annoyed TF outta me and I hate the concept of hell) but over the past few years it's been drawing me in heavily. It started when I read the Narnia books and then when I read the 4 gospels, they had a big impact on my heart. But I am fighting with all my might to resist it, because I suspect that if I became a Christian it would be a massive cope and side-effect of loneliness, helplessness and desperation (and of course some of the dark reasons Nietzche pointed out). And my Christianity would be very heretical anyway, so I wouldn't have a big community of people. Any advice? I could really use it. Thanks!
Participate in Life - see what is around in your local area, check out the churches! Check out other social institutions! Gyms, sports - everything
I had the same impression growing up around American protestantism, but I have found the Catholic Church, at least in my area, to be filled with beautiful, wholesome, strong Chad families. And none of that cringey confrontationalism.
Brother, I would say, give It a try. Ironically, i think It would be a greater Cope to resist what you perceive to be true Just because you are afraid It might be Cope. Were u drawn to faith by the promisse of community i might agree with you, but you have been touched by its truth, That is a much deeper calling, one o believe you should answer.
May God be with you either way Man, i wish you well.