Ferret Nation Cage Review + Modifications, Tips & Tricks
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- I give this cage 4 out of 5 stars. It has a lot of serious flaws, but I still recommend buying it, because it’s still the best thing out there. Just plan on making some modifications.
-The Good-
{1} It has a nice appearance.
{2} There’s storage space underneath.
{3} The owner has easy access via large detachable doors.
{4} Despite being a tall cage, it doesn’t have any fall risks inside.
{5} The top and bottom cages can be joined or separated.
{6} The cage walls are quiet because they’re welded.
-The Bad-
{-1} Assembly can be difficult if the parts don’t fit together properly.
{-2} The floor grates are noisy.
{-3} To get good pans, you have to buy them separately, from another company.
{-4} The mid-level shelves are unsafe without modification.
More details:
{-1} The cage is designed to fit together easily, and in theory, it does... but I had to work around several manufacturing flaws. In one case, a rock-hard paint drip inside of a screw hole kept two pieces from fitting together. I had to file it down and break it off with a screwdriver. (I also had to file a paint drip off of one of the door handles.) I also encountered a bent door frame, which needed to be bent back into shape, and a side wall that would not slide into place without the use of a rubber mallet. (Suggestion: Leave the wheels off while you’re assembling the cage, because you might have to push down on a few of the pieces REALLY hard.)
{-2} The floor grates are not rigidly anchored; they just rest in place between the sides of the frame. Unfortunately, this causes them to clang when the animal jumps around. To avoid this, you can buy #8 screw protectors (small rubber caps) and put them on the tips of the grating before you assemble the cage. Truthfully, the manufacturer should include these with the cage already... but they don’t.
{-3} The included pans are woefully inadequate for anyone who uses wood or paper bedding, and the official Ferret Nation scatter guards seem poorly designed. (I’ve never owned any, but I’ve read reviews and seen pictures.) That leaves you in the bizarre situation of spending $200 for this cage and then spending another $150 on pans and scatter guards from a completely different company, Bass Equipment. I do recommend the Bass pans, but you should know that they’re noisy unless you modify them (which is covered in my video). The same goes for Bass’s urine guards.
{-4} The mid-level shelves are held in place by their own weight using tension on two hooks. It’s a really bad - and dangerous - setup because the shelf can fall if it’s hit from below, either by a human arm or a jumping animal. You can fix this with a few washers and screws (see my video for details), but it’s really upsetting. You shouldn’t have to modify a $200 cage just to make it safe.
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holy shit, only 5 min in and you've already done a more thorough review than every single review i've seen. wonderful attention to detail, so this is incredibly helpful. i'm subbing just out of appreciation for this one video. thank you so much for taking the time to walk through this stuff. i'm in the process of trying to find the right cage for my rats, and it is difficult to figure out the finer details. love how direct you are, and great solutions. thank you
Hehe. I think my other content will disappoint you... but I'm flattered by the comment.
Thank you for your review. I've had my cage for 2 years and you pointed things out that I thought I just had to deal with. Appreciate it!!
Okay. Holy cow ive had my cage for 2 years.... did not even think about the doors coming off.... that would have made my life so much easier. Will use that feature from not on!!!
You are a genius man, I love the very creative ways to turn the noises off. You rock
Thanks!
I like the purple and blue
Thank bro! I'm saving my money for one of these cages for my ferrets and I got all the answers I needed so thank you
This is probably the most helpful video I've watched on chinchillas!
Thank you so much for taking the time and adding details. I've had my chinchilla for about 11 years and this has helped so much for a better life for him and myself!
Thank you! I have looked at WAY to many videos and this is EXACTLY WHAT I NEED!!!! 👍🤔
super helpful, the quick amount of detail is outstanding. also agree with the coverings, absolute nightmare for such a pretty cage. will be investing in the bass equipment trays for some messy ferrets
Great review! Thank you for all the suggestions! Heading to home depot now! So well spoken as well ;)
Fantastic review, also I use a large tile to cover the ramp opening because it’s easy to wipe clean :)
This review is seriously great. I was trying to find a cage for my 2 rats, and I was considering the critter nation (same thing just less bar spacing). I decided against getting one. For now. They are just too heavy and unwieldy. I needed something light and easier to manage. If someday, I have a better space for a cage like this, I'll at least get one to try out, if only because of how great this review is at suggesting fixes. Those massive doors were practically enough to make me overlook how heavy this thing is. I wish more cages did that.
Thanks again for this great review. I'm not even shopping anymore. I went with a prevue 528 universal small animal cage. Enough for 3 rats, but I'll eventually set a martins cage on top of it to get more space. set up was a breeze and I can break the whole thing down without a sweat, and LIGHT. I actually recommend it for rats, as it seemed to be the best value. Comes with a nice deep pan, has 2 doors, one on front and one on top (making it easy to attach a bottomless cage on top, like a martin), it's light, and the bars are 1/2 inch (best for rats). No safety issues, the platform that comes with it seems to be a sturdy plastic (my boys haven't chewed it up yet). All around, a great cage for 2 rats, and if you want more, a martins cage is a great option for the top.
Hopefully someday I can try the critter nation and see how it compares. Thank you for the great review, it really helped me make my decision. If I get a midwest, I'll name it after you.
*lol* Thank you.
I just got the critter nation, it’s worth it in my opinion. The rats love it!
i uses gorilla tape on the urine guards to keep them from making noise and also allowing the bedding to fall through the gaps making a huge mess in the floor. I placed the gorilla tape along the bottom of the urine guards on the outside of the cage. That help with noise tremendously. Thank you for the idea of cardboard under the pans!! life saver!
You're setup is so efficient and neat. I'll definitely reference your video in the future.
I have a critter nation for my rats and I enjoy the cage. Not fully sure why I’m watching this but a very thorough and overall great in-depth review! Also, you said it about how said that this is the top standard we can get for animals where a high standard of care is rarer. My dream cages are from Europe and will not ship to the U.S. sadly.
lol, thanks
I've found a few UK models listed under different names in the states. It's harder to find them, but it's worth checking to see if you can find the one you want that way.
7:25 found that out the first day as one of my ferret jumped straight up and pinned himself and two other ferrets under it. Good thing I was in the same room still. I zip tied mine.
Ordering this cage and decided to watch a couple videos of what it's like and I'm so glad I did, very dangerous! Hope your little fuzzies are ok 💕
Wow, this is fantastic! I am so glad I saw this before I tossed the Bass box!! Thank you!
Wow, great review, my critter nation should be arriving shortly, thanks for all the great tips and info!!!
This is a great video. We just got it used so we were having some questions about set up and you nailed it! Thanks!
Great video! Followed a lot of your tip when I upgraded my chinchillas to a Ferret Nation. Thanks!
Thank you!
Omg you are amazing.. Thank you so much for all the info i have everything and im so glad i didnt throw away packaging from Bass. I will be sharing and liking this video. Thanks again!
Thanks!
You are so smart! I will definitely follow your advice when I get the cage.
Thanks!
Wow,this dude is really fuckin smart! Lol,why doesnt this have more views or likes? Im saving this to my favorites for future use,thank u!
Wow this video was really helpful
Thanks for the idea for the screw caps! Works beautifully for keeping the noise down. Also have a chinchilla.
Are they 2mm
Thank you for a very helpful and informative review! Brilliant ideas!
Not sure if you're still replying - great video. Also, fabulous tips. I just ordered the pans, and I'll bear in mind to keep the packaging for sound dampening (no chins, but one ferret doing his demon rolls can get loud :D). How long was shipping for your pans?
Thank you! I don't remember the shipping time exactly, but I think it was less than 2 weeks.
Awesome! And thank you as well for the super-quick reply!
amazing! loved this video help soooo much!
U have a good radio voice
Well garsh. Thank you.
Also, I use a piece of 1/8 inch plexiglass under the shelf opening. It's thin enough that it can extend under the shelf since pee always finds its way there, but super easy to clean.
I'm afraid to use plexiglass in any place the chins can access, for fear of them chewing and ingesting it.
I have rats with a cage almost exactly like this except the ramps are plastic instead of wire and I actually really like the pans that came with. I never thought about getting a different type of pan for it because when my rats dirty up the bedding (I use paper bedding) they shove it out of the bars and I have a mat underneath the cage so the soiled paper and a lot of the poop and stuff gets pushed out and I can sweep it up and throw it away and when their bedding gets kind of low or after a week I can clean it all and replace the bedding and as long as I don't put too much bedding they only really push out more of the dirty stuff.
I have the critternation version of this cage (rats) and i have to concur with just about everything... despite it easily correctable shortcomings, it really is the best enclosure out there for your critters.
Just expect to modify it to suit your own animal's needs and you'll be happy with this cage.
Best video around! Thank you!
Did you purchase urine guards for the front of cage?
What about the smaller trays, did you purchase the metal ones or cover the plastic ones?
Thanks!
The set of urine guards I bought included pieces for the front, but I didn't want to attach them if I didn't have to. (I actually ended up using them underneath the cardboard between the top and bottom floors, to stop the downstairs chin from chewing the cardboard.)
I did purchase the smaller metal shelf trays, but I really didn't like them, so I decided to take my chances with the plastic ones. The chins have given them "test nibbles," but not enough to make me very concerned that they'll ingest the plastic.
If I ever did use the metal shelf trays, I would probably make a fleece sleeve to go underneath them (to prevent rattling). The other problem with them is that, with their high lip, they would be hard for the chin to access without a ramp (which I didn't want to use) or a shelf attached to the door (which would be awkward).
Great review addressing the perks and flaws of the best cage on the market. I have rats and I've recently seen people modding the cage by removing the floor on the bottom half of the cage and making a Plexiglas tub to sit on the shelf below to allow for deeper bedding. Do you think removing the floor would be a structural issue with the way the cage is designed?
Thanks! Removing the bottom floor grate wouldn't cause a structural issue because it just "sits in there" (jingling loosely between the two sides of the frame). When you assemble the cage, it would be easy to leave out the floor grate. However, be warned: If you ever change your mind, you'll have to take the cage apart to put the bottom grate back in.
It won't structurally affect the cage but i know my rats would take about half a day to chew through a tub floorboard.
There's a reason the walls are powder-coated metal!
Thanks so much for this detailed video! The hack of putting bolts to prevent the shelf bracket from lifting didn't work for me. I had the door open talking to two of my rats who were on the shelf and it fell. For me, it wasn't the bracket lifting up that caused it to fall, it was the weight pushing down on it which lifted the bracket out of the holes. So I'll move the bolts to be under the bracket instead to give it extra support and see if that helps.
Naturally, it's only half as effective with the door open, since only the rear bolt would be in place.
Also, the bolts must be a hair's breadth above the shelf bracket, or they won't work. They can't allow any upward movement of the shelf whatsoever. But, as long as the shelf is fully inserted, and the bolt is right on top of the shelf bracket, it should not be able to come out and fall; it won't have enough freedom of movement. I can't describe the placement in any more detail than that, but if you look closely at how the shelf would need to move in order to fall, you can place the bolt to prevent that.
If you do move the bolts under the shelf, I suggest putting them at the far end of the shelf (near the center of the cage) instead of near the side, where I put mine.
Hey there, amazing review u’ve done ! Thanks for that! But how do u wash the walls ?! Do u use steam cleaner by karcher ? Or how do u wash the cell lattice? Obviously there’s no chance to wash it under the shower :)
Thank u for answering the question ! Cheers
Thank you! But, uh, I don't wash the walls, personally. Is that a thing people do?
Heh. Thankfully, I've almost never had that problem. And I just spot-cleaned it with a wet paper towel the 2 or 3 times it did.
Excellent video!! What do think of putting plexiglass on the back to prevent urine spray on walls? I currently have a fleece blanket attached with Velcro strips. I was thinking of attaching plexiglass with Velcro. Easy cleanup, just wipe instead of washing so much fleece.
I suggest being careful with plexiglass. I put a piece of plexiglass against my cage once, but I carefully positioned it so that none of the edges could be chewed. (Because of how it's made, I assume plexiglass would be very dangerous for chinchillas to ingest.)
Ashley Guillot hey there , I’ve got an important question :) how do u wash the cage walls? I mean the cell lattice ..? I’ve got rats & after a while it gets pretty dirty & obviously it’s impossible to wash it under the shower as u can do with furat ferplast for example... so what do u do with this cage ? Thanks for the response
I must commend you on ur video,its brilliant!!! I've bn searching for a to-the- point, helpful,informative vid on these "Ferret nation cages" & urs is most definitely the BEST!!! I'm lkng to buy the "Double ferret nation & then a single" on top as an add-on for my 2 chinchillas. So ur vid is abs 'invaluable' to me!....It'll be a massive help when i receive my new cages!!!... Especially as I'm disabled & chronic pain so need quiet-all the rest/ sleep I can get! Ur knowledge & tips in ths vid r exc! I'll b following it every step of the way. May I just ask tho, I've searched for the 'basse comp' online but can't find them,are they still going? If I can't find the deep metal trays,can i use the trays that are inc? But aren't they plastic & thats toxic 4 my chins! I can't understand why Midwest didn't inc metal bases?? Anyway like ya say its still the best out of the bunch for a gd quality spacious chin cage! Huge thanks again,Faye & chinnies
Thank you for your kind comment. (I never expected a video that I made so carelessly to be so popular.) The pans I mentioned are from "Bass Equipment Company." I'm not sure TH-cam will allow a link, but I'll try to paste one below: www.bassequipment.com/Store/SCResult/244/Ferret_Nation_Replacement_Pans
Yep honestly I've searched many "ferret/critter nation" vids & yours is BY FAR the BEST! SO HUGE THANKS AGAIN! That link workd to the tray comp so thanks for that! My gorgeous chinnies r goin to b sooo happy with their new mansion! Ooh just another question....What is the height of JUST the legs/stand part. Cos im also buying the "add-on" fn cage to add more height to my double. Hence I want to calculate the total living space minus the feet/legs of the cage. Thanks,Faye
Thanks again, Faye. The stand adds 1 foot by itself, and 14.5 inches if you include the wheels.
I absolutely love this review! Would you say this cage would be good for rats as is or would further modifications need to be made?
Actually went through the comments and found out the Critter Nation cage is like it just less spacing. Fantastic review!!!
a kaytee chinchiller fits perfectly in the space where the ramp goes
Unfortunately, it doesn't fit when you have a Bass Equipment stainless metal pan.
I love that cage...
Yes the mallet is your best friend even though I went through 2 mallets
ahh I just got this for my 5 rats everything was loud from them jumping and playing !!! and they kept knocking off that level ! this video helped me so much !! thanks ! ( this is the only video I found helpful hhah ) also the wheel I got ages ago for like 60 bucks lmao. would you be able to do an update video on how your chinchilla is going ??
Thank you! I probably won't have time to do an update video, but not much has changed. I ended up bringing the scatter guards a little closer to the cage and bending them outward a bit (tucking shavings in between them and the cage to stop them from clanging), but I think that's the only thing I'm doing differently now.
oh that's good, hope all is good with your lovely pets !
Hi Shelverman. Great video. Perhaps you can help. I can't get ready-made cages in my country. So I resorted to buying high parrot cage. Now I would like three stories, so I will need two/three "floors / pans". Ideally with a bit of a lip around it. Now I can cut some wood to size and cut out a corner opening for them to move up and down. But to get that sort of "pan" meeting the size specs of my cage is a bit of a tall order. I would love to hear if you have suggestions. Thank you. Renier
Are you talking about the metal pan? The best alternative I can think of is a cement mixing tub. I've heard of people buying them at home improvement stores and cutting them down to size. (I'm not really comfortable with it because it's plastic that's not meant for animals... but as long as the chins don't eat it, it should be okay.)
can you close the levels to have two different animal seperate¿?like at top ferret and down chinchilla
yes
Thank you !!!!
I just got a ferret nation today for my 2 ferrets and yeah some parts were bent so my dad hammered them in
“…if you have either chinchillas or high standards…” 4 years later this is still a great burn on Kaytee
I have two guinea pigs, do you think this cage would be a good fit for guinea pigs?
I'm sorry; I don't know anything about guinea pigs.
@@shelverman Thanks for responding!:)
How do you order this pan? I tried on their homepage and the want a "company id". Am I doing something wrong?
Do you know if anyone makes those bedding trays deeper like at least 6 inches deep for rats?
Hi what size bass equipment pan do you have 2.5" or 3"? Do you think one is better than the other?
I definitely recommend the 3". (My chins still make a mess even with the extra half inch.)
@@shelverman Okay, thank you. You're video and comments have helped greatly in setting up a good cage for my gliders thank you.
From where did you bought the version cage coz I’m finding only the grey version
If you can send me the link I’ll appreciated
Thank you
It's gray; it just looks black in the video.
@@shelverman which grey it’s written ?
Platinum grey?
when my chinchilla runs on her chin spin it shakes the whole cage and is really loud. any advice?
Unfortunately, if you're already doing everything recommended in the video, I can't think of anything else to add.
I will say that, if your chinchilla runs at breakneck speed (vs a gentle jog), there's nothing that can stop that from being noisy up close. I definitely recommend not placing the cage next to your bed, or any other area where you need reliable quiet. (One of my boys ran like that when he was young, and it would wake me up fairly often.)
So we have a critter nation, similar to ferret nation...did not even know some of these features lol.
Do u know of any helpful "Instruction/building" TH-cam vids for the double ferret nation? Big thanks,Faye
No, I barely watched any of those, and I don't remember any really helpful ones. I just followed the step-by-step instructions in the manual (with the one change of leaving the wheels off until the end).
This video was posted in 2017. Do you still have the cage? Is it standing the test of time if you still have it?
I still have it, and I'm still happy with it. The only noteworthy change since the video is that I ended up attaching those urine guards closer to the cage and bending them slightly outward. Then I filled the gap with extra pine shavings, which muffles the noise and catches other debris.
@@shelverman I bought one . I am grateful for the observations and instructions for your methods. It is very nice of you to share. I greatly appreciate you. Thank-you!
So is the wire grid flooring 1/2 or 1” spacing?
I'm pretty sure it's 1 inch, just like the walls.
Ok I was just checking you new
Question. How do we find the pans that you used???
I don't have the link handy, but I put the company name in the video description, so you should be able to Google it.
Instead of metal pans, you can get big plastic pans from big box hardware stores
Do you have the galvanized or stainless steel?
I went with the stainless steel. I've heard that the galvanized steel corrodes over time, so I just decided to "invest in the best." (And I'm glad I did, because one of my chinchillas has nuclear pee.)
I don’t have my plastic pieces what can I use as a substitute
Which plastic pieces?
Sorry to bother u again. Plse can u let me know the measurements of ur basseequip trays? Thanks so much,Faye
I bought the 3" deep trays for the base of the cage, but switched to the 2.5" deep trays for the shelves. I never installed the shelf trays, though. (Other dimensions are included on the Bass Equipment web site.)
I noticed that in your video, I was curious to know how the plastic shelving has done since the you posted this video. I just purchased this cage to replace the cage that was given to me with my Chinchilla and he went to town on the plastic shelving in there although he has not done so since I have had him. Not that I can tell anyway. I think he just had a lack of chewable with his previous owner. But still I am a bit concerned. What is your experience?
My chins have chewed the shelves a little bit, but not too badly. I'm nervous about them ingesting the plastic, but it's a very hard plastic, so I'm hoping for the best. (Thankfully, they seem to prefer chewing the wooden shelves I've added, and the wooden/hay chew toys I provide.)
does anyone know if the bass equipment pans have sharp edges as I know he has a chinchilla and they wont do too much grabbing at them but I have gliders so I'm afraid with their small fingers getting sliced by a sharp edge please advise
The metal is folded over at the edge, so the edges aren't sharp. You still have to be careful of blunt force hazards, though:
(1) My chins like to lean over the side, so I have to be careful when closing the cage door that I don't pin their heads between the pan and the door.
(2) My chins like to jump out of my hands as they're being returned to the cage, so I have to be careful they don't jump prematurely and "belly flop" on the edge of the pan.
@@shelverman Thank you that makes my choice easier as to whether or not to order the pans
@@shelverman Do you happen to know if the ferret nation urine guards have enough guards in one order of them to do both sides and the back or should I get three orders this way I can cover the 2 sides and the back?
I'm not sure, but you can email the company. (I always have to email them when I order things, since their catalog is so unclear.)
This image may be helpful to you, though:
www.bassequipment.com/SCResult/Ferret-Nation-Replacement-Pans-244
@@shelverman Thank you :) I will try
The bass equipment ss pans are really not that much more than the replacement plastic pans Midwest sells, and if you keep the plastic pans in, you'll probably have to keep replacing them due to your pet chewing on them. I'm looking forward to the bottom floor ss pans and the urine guards from bass equipment. I'll let you know how they work out. Here's a link to their website with the photos www.bassequipment.com/Store/SCResult/244/Ferret_Nation_Replacement_Pans
what would you estimate the total price of this set up?
The Ferret Nation cage is $230 on Amazon, the two Bass Pans in my video cost about $100 total, and the Chin Spin now sells for $120. (It was $100 when I bought it, and from what I hear, used to cost more like $60. They're getting ridiculous.) That's a total of about $450. If you start including miscellaneous items like bowls and hay racks, you're looking at $500 or more.
Ferret Nation cage:
www.amazon.com/MidWest-182-leak-Proof-Shelves-Measures/dp/B0054U8UGW
Bass pans:
www.bassequipment.com/Store/SCResult/244/Ferret_Nation_Replacement_Pans
Chin Spin wheel:
qualitycage.com/collections/chinchilla-products/products/15-chin-spin
ty sir, i'll have to hope i can afford something like this befpre i get me some new ratties
Dyspayre the critter nation is better for rats because young ratties and females can slip through the spacing on the FN. I have one for my rats and it’s brilliant
Plz tell me where u got ur wheel
qualitycage.com/collections/chinchilla-products/products/15-chin-spin
They're expensive as hell, but good wheel options are extremely limited, and this seems to be the best you can get.
I bought one of mine on a Black Friday sale, which saved me ten or twenty bucks.
shelverman that’s crazy I was looking at making one but finding something that’s not bending outward has been impossible closest thing I seen been a cake pan and 20$ shipping no ty idk wat I’ll do
Which model is this?
Model 182 Double Unit
"You shouldn’t have to modify a $200 cage just to make it safe."
This would be true, if this was a cage that wasn't designed for a specific animal in mind- it's right there on the tin. Ferrets. Those hooks are for hanging hammocks and other things, specifically for ferrets. Similarly, the ramp covers are for ferrets- they're not great climbers and the covers are specifically to assist them by giving them more grip.
Don't get me wrong this review certainly confirmed the low tray problem vis a vis bedding, but do realize you're reviewing a cage designed for ferrets, with the mindset of an animal that is prone to jumping frequently and powerfully. And is a completely different taxonomic species to boot- ferrets aren't rodents, after all. Screw covers are a great idea all the same, didn't know the flooring was loose (although I personally don't mind noise- I've had to live with birds)
Do you imagine that any of my critiques would be untrue of the accompanying "Critter Nation" cage that doesn't have "ferret" in the name?
@@shelverman They'd be truer of the CN cage yeah, and iirc the CN cage is based on this one, and actually looking at it I am surprised the CN one retains those hooks, that's odd o.O
What is bar spacing
It's what you're supposed to do if you go out for a drink during a pandemic.
shelverman I mean on the cage
lmgtfy.com/?q=ferret+nation+bar+spacing
Pet Valu. Must be in Canada.
Isnt this a critter nation cage?
The Ferret Nation cage is the same as the Critter Nation cage, but with wider-spaced bars (for larger critters, like ferrets and chinchillas).
@@shelverman so do these tips work with the ferret nation as well? I have a ferret nation and its a pain to clean so ive been looking for helpful advice 😊
@@uktena8988 This is a Ferret Nation cage.
@@shelverman i meant a Feisty Ferret nation* sorry
most of the time its just fine for ferret but for chinchillas not so much hints the name ferret nation
Genuis T_T
probably because its a FERRET nation cage
Unfortunately there are very few cages that are meant for chinchillas, so chinchilla owners have to use ferret or bird cages
Wheels are really bad for ferrets because it can bend the spine
I have chinchillas.
it’s still bad
The key is to have a wheel large enough that the animal can run without curving their spine. At 15 inches, the Chin Spin is large enough for chinchillas to run safely.
Everything jingles! 🙄
You should never have a wheel for ferrets
I have chinchillas.
GET RID OF THE WEEL
Capital letters do not an argument make.
Why should I get rid of the "WEEL"?
Because the way it makes the ferrets run. it will damage their spin and could even kill them
I have chinchillas.
😂😂😂
The point is valid. The specs are not however.
With smaller round wheels they really do pose a threat to a chin. If they can not reach full extension then it will cause them curl up putting a heavy arch on the spinal column which will cause long term health problems. Some of those type of wheels rotate around on a single bearing that comes out in the center of the wheel meaning not only will the spine be at an arch, but as they go up and down, it smashes into that bar causing more issues. And of course the massive health risks if its a plastic wheel.
However a chin spin is around a 15" diameter. This should allow most chins to reach full extension with out issue. There is no bar coming out in the center. And it is not made of plastic. The chin spin of more of the top two popular designs for chins.