I came upon this video by accident, but it interested me because I was the Hercules Type AAR Instructor in the mid-90s, and I’d been refuelling from all of the RAF’s large tankers since 1982 - including through the Falklands war. Those aircraft include the Victor, Vulcan, Hercules, VC10 and Tristar. The Victor should not have all three hoses deployed. For large receivers, only the centre hose should be out. The approach technique is up the line of the hose, not level with the drogue. The references are painted on the Victor’s underside. In contact, the hose should have the 40ft marker (the ‘ideal’ position indicator) just entering the HDU. Lastly, the Victor and Vulcan are very similar in size; the Vulcan is not ‘huge’ in comparison.
Well, that set a lot of it straight! Thanks! I’ll on the comment so others see it. Much appreciated 👍🏻 Perhaps the developers will also see it and make some adjustments 👍🏻
@@cgaviator I may have some instructional photographs that demonstrate the correct reference position using the Victor’s markings. If I don’t, they can probably be found online.
So two small receivers from pods hoses, or large one from center hose. I got ya. Hose markers on the way, it's just matter of technical implementation of the geometry with dynamic length in the sim engine.
@@TouchingCloud are you the developer? I’m happy to talk about it in more detail if you like. It’s perfectly ok for a fast-jet receiver to use the centre hose too, but not normally at the same time as the wing hoses are being used - there must always be an escape route. But for a large receiver, the proximity of the wingtips to the tanker’s tail, and the effects of the tanker’s asymmetric airflow make receiving from the wing hoses very dangerous and thus not allowed.
My late uncle was an Air Electronics Officer on the Vulcan during the Black Buck missions, then later on the RAF's Vulcan Display Flight and the Vulcan to the Sky Trust. He did the same role on the Victor tankers for over a decade, including the First Gulf War, before he retired in the '90s.
the speed with which he is updating airshow assistant is amazing. rare to actually feel good about buying something from the marketplace. kudos to touching cloud
Crazy thing is I bought it when it was 90% off, when they released it advertising air refueling and there was no air refueling, only air show stuff I didn't care for... It's worth so much more!
@@cgaviator heh I assume they're referring to the one where they went to Argentina and the argies got all offended because the number plate of a car they were driving had "82" and "FKL" on it (H982 FKL in full) and thought it was a joke about the falklands war. There were protests and serious threats to the top gear guys safety and their crew. And it turned out it wasn't even put on the car deliberately, that just happened to be the plate already on one of the cars they bought for filming. They're still quite touchy about their failed invasion :D
Chris ... big thank you for fulfilling my request. Great video, one of your absolute best in my humblest of opinions - very entertaining and informative (as ever). Going to have to get Airshow Assistant now and give that a bash.
First Aircraft, I worked on out of training as ground crew was the Victor on 55 , I feel privileged. The last refuel Vulcan was just about to be taken apart as well
They also hadn’t done air to air refuelling on the Vulcan for years, they had to relearn the skill and the Vulcans had to have probes and systems refitted.
@@cgaviator Sure, the Vulcan was built with air-to-air refueling in mind...but one of the older pilots at the time of the raid was asked by one of the younger ones and he said "We tried it...once. And it was bloody awful." So they took it out of the doctrine, and never trained any of the new pilots on it. Then they were being asked to learn it in a couple of weeks, and to do it dozens of times, at night, with no radio comms. The refueling nozzle for one of the Vulcans was actually being used as an ashtray in the crew room, because they'd taken it off the aircraft. If you haven't seen it, punch in "First Strike of The Falklands War(full documentary)HD-MilitaryN" into TH-cam search and find the 45 minute documentary on the raid. Absolutely, brilliantly, stupidly the best of British. Sandwich packets. Ten pound pocket calculators. A bomber that was six months from retirement. Chariots of Fire.
You make it look easier than I find it to do. I'm all over the place before I find the sweet spot. I need more practice. If you click on the circled A on the request tanker tab it allows you to bind a hotkey from a small pre-set selection, I use the water rudder.
@@cgaviator That would be a great gate guard! If you fly up to Carlise in the sim, there's a static Vulcan. The standard scenery has a Vulcan-shaped building which looks mad 😄 Third-party scenery addresses this and puts a proper Vulcan there (Solway Aviation Museum), which is a nice poi 👍
Good video. I did what you mentioned with the trim.... 100 times easier now so thank you. I posted my video with the B-2 making a connection to the KC-46. It's not easy with the probe connection behind the cockpit and not being a full canopy but I got it to work after days of practice.
Great video!! I’m trying to improve my refueling skills in the Heatblur/IFE Tomcat, very difficult. The Hornet, no problem at all, being a fly-by-wire I guess.
Just subscribed, this is becoming one of my new favourite channels. Do you have any videos of intercepting a bomber or airline like a combat sortie? Like your channel banner
i know the bombs are only on the Just flight version shop not marketplace? But I thought even they were cosmetic - do they animate drops now or is that some mod?
How these guys managed this at night is worth a moment’s wonder. Nice one as always, Chris - the usual fun, engaging watch that’s also deceptively instructive. How did you do with the stick of bombs?
I’ve done my fair share of night tanking and it’s something to behold. Very surreal indeed! The bombs come with the Vulcan model. Only if bought outside of MSFS. They don’t fall the whole way unfortunately.
Hi cgaviator, thanks for the video. Very cool. At the end, you show a bomb drop. How do you get bombs on the Vulcan? Is there an addon that I can download to add this capability? Purchased on MArketplace and can't seem to find a patch for weapons as many developpers offer for a similar situation. Thx!
@@cgaviatorThe grass. And then I turned on the computer to have a flight sim time, and the bloody machine crashed. Time to put my focus back on business! Have really enjoyed your content by the way, but genuinely something is telling me my focus is needed somewhere else for a season. All good. Cheers from this Scotsman in Canada.
@@cgaviator The much promised low level navex T Mk1 flights sorties still haven't happened. Old school but still great exercise fun for the brain to figure out
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I came upon this video by accident, but it interested me because I was the Hercules Type AAR Instructor in the mid-90s, and I’d been refuelling from all of the RAF’s large tankers since 1982 - including through the Falklands war. Those aircraft include the Victor, Vulcan, Hercules, VC10 and Tristar. The Victor should not have all three hoses deployed. For large receivers, only the centre hose should be out. The approach technique is up the line of the hose, not level with the drogue. The references are painted on the Victor’s underside. In contact, the hose should have the 40ft marker (the ‘ideal’ position indicator) just entering the HDU. Lastly, the Victor and Vulcan are very similar in size; the Vulcan is not ‘huge’ in comparison.
Well, that set a lot of it straight! Thanks! I’ll on the comment so others see it. Much appreciated 👍🏻 Perhaps the developers will also see it and make some adjustments 👍🏻
@@cgaviator I may have some instructional photographs that demonstrate the correct reference position using the Victor’s markings. If I don’t, they can probably be found online.
So two small receivers from pods hoses, or large one from center hose. I got ya.
Hose markers on the way, it's just matter of technical implementation of the geometry with dynamic length in the sim engine.
@@TouchingCloud are you the developer? I’m happy to talk about it in more detail if you like. It’s perfectly ok for a fast-jet receiver to use the centre hose too, but not normally at the same time as the wing hoses are being used - there must always be an escape route. But for a large receiver, the proximity of the wingtips to the tanker’s tail, and the effects of the tanker’s asymmetric airflow make receiving from the wing hoses very dangerous and thus not allowed.
I asked TouchingCloud for the Victor model and he did, coolest msfs Dev by miles 🙏
Definitely at the top!
We love werdies too
@@TouchingCloud I’m not sure what a werdy is but I’m in! 😂
My late uncle was an Air Electronics Officer on the Vulcan during the Black Buck missions, then later on the RAF's Vulcan Display Flight and the Vulcan to the Sky Trust.
He did the same role on the Victor tankers for over a decade, including the First Gulf War, before he retired in the '90s.
Just awesome seeing these two grand old ladies in the sim, what a sight.
Yup, fitting tribute!
The victor is my favourite of the V Bombers, so futuristic looking even now.
That one they’ve fully restored at IWM Duxford is gorgeous
Used to be one sat at Marham. Sadly moved somewhere else now.
There is one at Elvington
the speed with which he is updating airshow assistant is amazing. rare to actually feel good about buying something from the marketplace. kudos to touching cloud
Agreed! They are listening to requests and making it happen! Much kudos!
Crazy thing is I bought it when it was 90% off, when they released it advertising air refueling and there was no air refueling, only air show stuff I didn't care for... It's worth so much more!
@@marionetteworks Bought it the same time. Glad I did.
You see some cool MSFS stuff on TH-cam, but that is next level! And that Victor looks pdg too . . . Next on the tanker wish list - VC-10
Oh yeah, and Tristar! I’d be right at home!
Just when you thought it couldn't get any more awesome 🙂
Better and better, so much potential!
@@cgaviator You were refuelling in good weather .. I can't imagine how terrifying this must be at night in bad weather ..
@@marekpaul6110 I don't think they generally refuel inside storm clouds.
We're currently testing even more cool stuff, it's about to get even more awesome very soon 😉
@@TopAirspace excited muchly!
I love these cold war warbirds especially these two. This era is right up my street, keep 'em coming Chris 😎
Old school… absolutely! 👍🏻
When the title said Falklands, it reminded me of that one Top Gear special.
May have to search that one, don’t remember it
@@cgaviator heh I assume they're referring to the one where they went to Argentina and the argies got all offended because the number plate of a car they were driving had "82" and "FKL" on it (H982 FKL in full) and thought it was a joke about the falklands war. There were protests and serious threats to the top gear guys safety and their crew. And it turned out it wasn't even put on the car deliberately, that just happened to be the plate already on one of the cars they bought for filming. They're still quite touchy about their failed invasion :D
@@Roger__Wilco That's exactly it lol. I love that special, despite the ending.
@@SN57ONE ah yes, I do remember that! 😂
Awesome , the Vulcan and Victor are really great looking airplanes, my favourite of the two is the Victor, I really love the shape of that airplane.
It’s certainly iconic! But I’m a sucker for a delta wing!
British aviation , the greatest EVER, Thanks for the video,,,
Too true! Apart from the comet with square windows. But we won't talk about that!
@@cgaviator That was a learning curve that other manufactures with more financial backing learned from ,
@@cgaviator It was leading edge technology. Even today, with all the computer processing power, mistakes are made.
@@edwardsp1916 very true
Chris ... big thank you for fulfilling my request. Great video, one of your absolute best in my humblest of opinions - very entertaining and informative (as ever). Going to have to get Airshow Assistant now and give that a bash.
My pleasure! Let me know how it goes!
Brilliant Chris thank you
@@RingwayManchester my pleasure! 🙏🏻
Such a great video!. Neat new features for the refueling too. Look forward to seeing the other bits they added!
Thanks 🙏🏻
Perfect start to the weekend! Awesome!
🤘🏻
Great video of two of my favourite planes. Many thanks.
My pleasure 🙏🏻
First Aircraft, I worked on out of training as ground crew was the Victor on 55 , I feel privileged. The last refuel Vulcan was just about to be taken apart as well
refueling is hard enough but getting and holding that external camera shot aswell is an art in itself 🤘
Takes some careful key binding for sure! 😅
Ey, your videos are so much fun. Absolutely brilliant.
Thanks, really appreciate it 🙏🏻
And to think the real Black Buck crews did that multiple times per flight, in crap weather, at night & with next to no recent training...
I think 6600nm and 18 refuels across the jets that made the journey. Incredible effort!
They also hadn’t done air to air refuelling on the Vulcan for years, they had to relearn the skill and the Vulcans had to have probes and systems refitted.
I've recently read a book about this operation. Àbsolutely incredible!
@@cgaviator Sure, the Vulcan was built with air-to-air refueling in mind...but one of the older pilots at the time of the raid was asked by one of the younger ones and he said "We tried it...once. And it was bloody awful." So they took it out of the doctrine, and never trained any of the new pilots on it. Then they were being asked to learn it in a couple of weeks, and to do it dozens of times, at night, with no radio comms.
The refueling nozzle for one of the Vulcans was actually being used as an ashtray in the crew room, because they'd taken it off the aircraft.
If you haven't seen it, punch in "First Strike of The Falklands War(full documentary)HD-MilitaryN" into TH-cam search and find the 45 minute documentary on the raid. Absolutely, brilliantly, stupidly the best of British.
Sandwich packets. Ten pound pocket calculators. A bomber that was six months from retirement. Chariots of Fire.
As I saw the thumbnail I started thinking "he better be headed to the Falkl----ah, yeah".
😂🇬🇧 Can’t disappoint!
You make it look easier than I find it to do. I'm all over the place before I find the sweet spot. I need more practice.
If you click on the circled A on the request tanker tab it allows you to bind a hotkey from a small pre-set selection, I use the water rudder.
Good idea! Though water rudder is used by many models for other things.
This is terrific! I must try this in VR cheers mate.
VR would be epic! Sadly my Question 3 visuals aren’t worth it at the moment.
The Victors were at Marham when we went there on Air Cadet camp in the '70s. An impressive bird 👍
There was one outside of SHQ til a couple of years back. Shame it went.
@@cgaviator That would be a great gate guard!
If you fly up to Carlise in the sim, there's a static Vulcan. The standard scenery has a Vulcan-shaped building which looks mad 😄
Third-party scenery addresses this and puts a proper Vulcan there (Solway Aviation Museum), which is a nice poi 👍
@@redcap282 awesome!
Fascinating as always Chris, great skills , makes up for your ILS landing recently 😂
🤣
Very good Chris, you made it look easy.
Thank you, is more simple without the pressure of a live op! 😅
OK, did you hit the target Chris..... Fabulous work, well done and thanks.
Sadly the bombs disappear much too quick!
@@cgaviator surely this would bring in a Buccaneer type of raid, with the Vulcan..........
Imagine the poor person playing 'Airport Simulator: Port Stanley', when bombs start suddenly falling on his airfield out of nowhere.
Operation Black Buck. Very impressive!
Yup, amazing feat of planning and flying
Good video. I did what you mentioned with the trim.... 100 times easier now so thank you. I posted my video with the B-2 making a connection to the KC-46. It's not easy with the probe connection behind the cockpit and not being a full canopy but I got it to work after days of practice.
Mine was a bit buggy with B2 and refuel. Not sure what wasn’t playing nice.
@cgaviator hmmm I don't kno if you watched mine but I didn't have any issues.
@@StevesSimStation just had a peak, nice one
@@cgaviator I greatly appreciate it
Very awesome, but the Cold War RAF plane bore in me is eye twitching... 'that's not right, only the centre HDU should be deployed!'
True, but it’s good to have options! 😂
@@cgaviator Or some thirsty Lightnings!
Absolutely awesome, I guess at some point you will be doing a Victor to tonka tanker top up
Maybe! Don’t want to over egg the omelette though. Maybe a montage! 😅
Is there nothing you’re not good at Chris ??
Amazing skill 👍👍
Thanks, I’d like to think I’ve learnt the trade well after almost 20 years 👍🏻
XH534 Vulcan 2 (MRR) ex 27 sqn and had options for wing pods , also had gloss camo with subdued roundals
Just very knowledgable or did you work on them?
Great video!!
I’m trying to improve my refueling skills in the Heatblur/IFE Tomcat, very difficult. The Hornet, no problem at all, being a fly-by-wire I guess.
@@McFreddie22 the Hornet flight dynamics are much less twitchy (and more realistic in some respects) to a lot of other model.
the Victor is something to look at though isnt it
that is lovely.. two V-planes
Need a full set!
Great video!
I just need a Buccaneer to do some tanking with the Victor.
I have the old FSX Bucc' - but cannot get it to work with MSFS2020
That would be ace. Jaguar should be out soon-ish! Will be excellent!
My mate’s dad was a Vulcan pilot, don’t think he was part of black buck but I’ve sent this to him
Oh no! He’ll spot all my errors!
Wow, seeing a Victor refuelling a Vulcan is about as good as TH-cam can get!
🤘🏻
In the last 5 days, I have brought: Tornado, Typhoon, F35, Vulcan and a smattering of airports. This is very dangerous for your wallet :D
Not a cheap hobby, but could be worse! 😅
All great choices though.
And to think that the Vulcan was the replacement for the Lancaster. So different in its time.
Yeah, incredible leap forward!
Just subscribed, this is becoming one of my new favourite channels. Do you have any videos of intercepting a bomber or airline like a combat sortie? Like your channel banner
I had intended to do one. Need to figure the best way. Tricky without proper radar.
@@cgaviator ahh, could use the power of editing? But it'd be less legit
@@sackthing986 yeah, little nav map works ok for that, it’s on the todo list 👍🏻
i know the bombs are only on the Just flight version shop not marketplace?
But I thought even they were cosmetic - do they animate drops now or is that some mod?
That does it, I'm getting Airshow Assistant.
😂
How these guys managed this at night is worth a moment’s wonder. Nice one as always, Chris - the usual fun, engaging watch that’s also deceptively instructive. How did you do with the stick of bombs?
I’ve done my fair share of night tanking and it’s something to behold. Very surreal indeed! The bombs come with the Vulcan model. Only if bought outside of MSFS. They don’t fall the whole way unfortunately.
Love your videos👍 cheeky question but how much was your PC to play the game at this standard?
Lost track of cost through lots of upgrades. But it’s an i7 10700 with RTX 4080 Super.
Awesome stuff. What size drive do I realistically need for MSFS? Would a 2TB external SSD be enough?
Depends how much extra stuff you wanna buy! 2TB should be enough. And there are easy methods to expand to a different drive later if necessary.
@@cgaviator I want it all. 😀 What are you running?
@@BigDuke6ixx 😂 Then 2Tb it is! That’s what I’ve got 👍🏻
looks amazing i play dcs world with my thrustmaster 1600m and quest 2 does this game also do no hud vr full click cockpits etc
Yup
Hi cgaviator, thanks for the video. Very cool. At the end, you show a bomb drop. How do you get bombs on the Vulcan? Is there an addon that I can download to add this capability? Purchased on MArketplace and can't seem to find a patch for weapons as many developpers offer for a similar situation. Thx!
Worth asking Just Flight if they’ve done a patch. I’m not sure they have. I got it from Just Flight direct.
@@cgaviator Emailed them. Thx
Hi Chris! Are you using VR or head tracking?
TrackIR 👍🏻
Somebody needs to do the whole flight with 18 refuels
🫣 As long as the victor was navigating for me! 😂
you should use the ace mode, stops it from moving onto you're probe
@@rocket_1235 true, I should really be more confident lol!
Don't forget to break the refuelling probe off if you get a moment.😁
🫣
Missed opportunity to use the XM607 livery for this.... 🙃
You aren’t wrong! My apologies! 🤦🏼♂️
Where do you get all your Addons for MSFS?
All over!
I bet you missed the runway with the bombs.
Never! 😂
Such a great mod
Absolutely agree!
Tried the Tower Bridge loop yet? I think it may have to be a sausage shape from my limited experience...........................................
😂 not yet, got distracted!
*cough* I heard in the crew room that if you couldn’t do it inverted, it’s not tanking. Just saying 😉
😂
OMG you can hear the howl haha
Love the howl!
Oh dear…. I Was going to cut the grass in the yard after morning coffee. Hmm… tanking off a Victor or cutting the grass…. So many choices…. Lol.
This is the most british sounding thing I've read all day.
What won!? 😂
@@cgaviatorThe grass. And then I turned on the computer to have a flight sim time, and the bloody machine crashed. Time to put my focus back on business! Have really enjoyed your content by the way, but genuinely something is telling me my focus is needed somewhere else for a season. All good. Cheers from this Scotsman in Canada.
also its the latest update. you almost always have to punch request 2 3 times for it to show. before was on first go. im sure it will be sorted
Yeah, no great shakes 👍🏻
We're aware 😊
Are you user track IR?
Yup
@@cgaviator ye think imma try get one it’s not that much fun when you have to use a mouse to look around or try use a hat switch
Is Avro Vulcan Free with game or do you have buy it
We wish! It’s an addon by just flight.
I would be impressed if you could tank from a T Mk1....
😂
@@cgaviator The much promised low level navex T Mk1 flights sorties still haven't happened. Old school but still great exercise fun for the brain to figure out
Epic
🙏🏻
Does it howl?
@@YT159YT it does!
If you couldn't, you would have to land in Rio de Janeiro!
I’m sure they wouldn’t mind! 🫣
Now do it at night like they did it😉
Yeah! Did it for my old DCS video. And in real life. But I’m not sure the lighting is good enough on the models.
bro the aircraft from england just dont look like they should exist, they remind me of the alien ships from halo lol
Agreed! Then you get the B2 😁
Wrong Roundals and tail flash on the vulcan. Should only be Red & Blue.
Good knowledge!
@@cgaviator The tail is wrong as well as its missing the RWR.
We shall never surrender 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
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I think I made a mess of my pants…..
You should watch my inverted tanking video! 😂
@@cgaviator my next purchase is the airshow assistant… and possibly the Vulcan. If not I’m going to use the tornado with AA refueling
This area is not called Falklands, This area is called "Malvinas". 😉😉😉😉😉😉
@@Thesroth 😳😂
So sad for Britain.
Sad?
MALVINAS
@@marcelobaggini5016 yeah yeah yeah 😅
Malvinas Argentinas
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