Now *THIS* is how to review a system! If you look up the word "thorough" in the dictionary, you'll find HTWingNut's picture. I think the only thing you didn't cover was how these Mini PC's smell :-) Seriously though, the only thing I can think that was missing was the dimensions of the cases, although that's easily looked up and the BeeLink machine's looked to be about the same, and the same for the Trigkey machine. You should be very proud of this work and I'd like to say Thank you for the time and effort you put into this video. Liked & Subscribed.
Love the way you review. Now heading over to find your gaming benchmarks as you forgoit to add the link in the description as you said you would. Thanks for your efforts. Keep doing what you're doing.
Thank you for this comparison, very complete and very useful. We see in particular that the PCIe 3 interface (to connect the SSD) is 1 x 8GT/s, therefore limited to speeds of 985 MB/s, regardless of the speed of the SSD. Some critical components are therefore too old to take full advantage of system performance. Too bad...
Thanks for the great review! Really appreciate how thorough you were. I was curious how the dual-channel memory with the 5105 stacked up against the N100, and this video definitely answered that question.
I have a Trigkey G4. Was on offer at Amazon before Xmas for £149.99. It runs and performs very well. I find that on load I can bearly hear the fan. I have a 1gb ssd installed as well and do very large photo transfers and video editing it runs much quieter than my i7 12700 with 64gb ram. Very handy having 2 hdmi and was cheaper than adding another video card to the i7. ATB. regards from the UK
This was an amazing expertly done video. I live offgrid, so every watt counts. Based on your video I was able to determine that for $60 CAD extra and about 5watts extra on light duty, the G5 beats hands down a Rpi5. that was key for me to understand. I ordered two of the G5; one will be a server with debian + CasaOS and the other will be my pc. thanks a million for this video!
Very informative, good quality video that will get you more viewers, subscribed for more. Many review are too simple to show the different faces of a device, you show many faces of them, i'll go for the Trigkey G4 for my Home assistant device to replace my NUC 7100U => More power and lesss power consumption (i'm off grid and each Watt count). Advice : try to keep things in the same place (i know you already tried too) for example the CrystalDiskMark display 35:00, TrigKeys are now on the bottom while devices were presnted at the top.
Thanks for the detailed information. I have a 5195 which is great and i run on a battery bank like a laptop. Makes sense now why it drains the battery if i leave it plugged in, max load is below 30w with monitor though. I think ill upgrade to n95 for better power use and the newer model isnt fanless, which is a nice novelty but gets way to hot
Very useful and informative. Thank you indeed for putting so much work into this review! I guess I'll take G4 for office and web use mainly. Seems the best buy for the money.
Good video. I am not sure if someone told you but all DDR5 is duel channel in the chip itself. Kind of visualize DDR5 is 2 banks on 1 die. Running them in pairs puts in quad channel which not all CPU's support.
Very thorough and helpful video. Thank you! Quick question though, with the trigkey devices they mention they only suppport up to 2tb m.2 nvme drives. Even though it is not supported, would a 4tb m.2 drive work? I don't see why it wouldn't work but I'd like your opinion on this please
I can't guarantee, but I don't know why it wouldn't work. Unfortunately I don't have any of these devices anymore nor do I have a 4TB NVMe drive to try it out, otherwise I would!
Very good! I have a g5 and the beelink one here, checks it both but not as well as you have done. good job! One question, what software do you use for creating these comparison charts?
So maybe I missed it, but can you answer two questions please? For the Trigkey G5, 1. does the NVMe run at Gen3x2 or Gen3x4 (or 😱 less)? and 2. what is the thermal paste situation? I've noticed on the GMKTec G3, replacing the thermal grease with a thin layer of Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut brought the temps down significantly to like 73 deg C (down from 90+ deg C) under load.
Trigkey G5 M.2 slot is PCIe 3.0 x1 speed. I didn't repaste these devices and I no longer have them so I don't know for sure. But I have found repasting can help by 5-10C typically if it's something you want to risk doing. Glad to see you got yours down to 73C. The one thing about many of these pastes is that they dry out or "pump out" quickly and lose their thermal advantage. So you need to look for ones that are designed for laptops like SYY 157.
@@htwingnut thanks very much for your work here! It's frustrating that any NVMe you get will lose out on most of its performance by throwing it in these machines. One of the only ones I've found that doesn't do it is the geekom air 12, since that runs at Gen3x4. Anyway, thanks for the reply!
@@briandowdell358 It all depends on the ports available. These CPU's only have 9 total PCIe lanes. If four are used for NVMe then you limit other options like 2.5G or 10G ethernet ports, multiple NVMe slots, or other I/O options. In my opinion, PCIe 3x2 is more than fast enough in most scenarios for these kinds of PC's. 10Gbps USB 3 is nearly as fast as PCIe 3.0x1, so you can't transfer any faster than that, and even 10G network is no faster than that either. And I don't think internally a faster NVMe will be that noticeable whether PCIe 3.0 x1 or x2 vs x4. Plus the CPU will be the limiting factor if you are reading the data, processing it in someway and writing it back to the SSD.
@@htwingnut you know, that would be a great video: comparing different mini PCs to see which ones make best use of their hardware without any bottlenecks per the N100. That way, there'd be something to aim at. That's literally all I would like in a mini PC: efficient, good power saving CPU, great use of all the lanes available (that makes sense for a homelab PC or a DIY friendly tinkering machine)... Know anything like that?
@@briandowdell358 Good idea. I don't know of any mini PC's, but there are several mini ITX motherboards with N100, N5105, N97, N305 on them that do. Your best bet is to go with an AMD chip because even their lower end chips have 20 Gen4 PCIe lanes, and the integrated GPU is so much better.
I like your video and I'm very interested in these minis and their processes. But you missed out on other use cases for these machines. Madia playback (Plex) and local game streaming. I'd like to see: 4k hdr 5.1 and audio processing passthrough. Lpcm, Dolby etc. specs and performance.
Good suggestion. I'll look into how I can accomplish this. I am working on another video with a couple other newer mini PC models and a couple suggestions for things you can do with them. I'll see if I can make this work out.
Great comparison! The only thing I'd like to see added is LatencyMon figures, since this important for media work. A note about pricing for Europe. Amazon Germany is a good place to buy as there are often discount coupons. Trigkey Green G4 is €170 but the G5 jumps to €250 as I write (but this is highly variable). The Trigkey Speed S5 is only a bit more at €280, which seems to be an obvious best choice... depending on how it reviews. So it would be great to see the Speed S5 given the same treatment. It should double performance with the Ryzen 5. But I wonder about cooling and noise figures.
Thank you for the feedback. I will look to add LatencyMon in future comparisons. Also, in the US, the S5 is about $100 more than the G5 at the moment. 16G/500G S5 is about $285USD vs $184USD for the G5. If I can get my hands on an S5 I'll give it a go.
@@htwingnut Came back here after obtaining the Trigkey Green G4 N100. I tested the DPC latency and it was all in the green. For video, playing back two 1080p video streams almost maxed out the CPU and produced some audio crackling. Even after optimising Windows as much as reasonable. This result is disappointing for a unit marketed for the ability to support multiple video outputs. I guess that Alder Lake N100 is simply not fast enough. I found the fan noise objectionable when the unit was sitting on the desktop, but if mounted behind a monitor or if there is any sound playing at all, this masks the fans. I should say that I am very critical when it comes to sound, so others might care less. Tested Trigkey support and the result was quite incredible. Instant email back with correct solution to my problem. All basic daily computer tasks worked perfectly. Smooth operation.
Nice review. Pity the ddr5 system was throttling. I would have liked to see how much faster this alder lake-N cpu is when not ram bottlenecked (single channel only).
Any idea how the pci lanes are set out on these guys, in particular the wifi slot. Seems like they shoukd have enough lames to wire the wifi slot to 2 lanes which would be awesome for thr coral dual edge tpus
The audio sounds like either something is not setup properly, or you've got a mic designed for talking next to instead of into. Wish I could be more helpful.
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I've changed mic's with later videos. Working on a better setup overall, but don't have much budget. Problem is I need a wireless lapel mic, and good ones don't come cheap.
An excellent breakdown worth every one of the 57 minutes. Beforehand I would have predicted that the G5 would have been a clear winner in all categories with the faster RAM but was surprised at how the G4 not only held it's own but was even better in some instances. But then it occurred to me that the superior cooling in the G4, despite the added noise may well have contributed towards it's performance. Which made me wonder whether the fans were interchangeable and if installed in the G5, might yield better performance because of increased cooling. The tests were closer between the 4 than I would have anticipated.
Thanks for the response and taking the time to watch! The fans were all a bit different, but even if you could swap them, I think it comes down to the fan profile in the BIOS, which from my experience, was not user adjustable despite being able to be changed in the BIOS.
watching on this beelink S12 Mini PRO N100 and it is everything I hoped for!!! I do not do much gaming but for the games I do play occasionally like Black Ops 2 plutonium run great!
5105 video card 800Mhz / N95 video card 1200Mhz / and Ryzen 7 5800h video card 2000Mhz. N95 is great but for small distance price take a ryzen. ( i have 5105 and N95 and better )
No doubt, for gaming ryzen all the way. But if you just want a budget mini PC, these Intel machines are great devices, if the price is right. These were all about $150-160 at time I acquired them. Considering you can get a Ryzen 5500u machine for ~ $250 it's a great deal especially for gaming. I got my hands on a Ryzen 5500U Beelink SER5 that I am putting through its paces.
@@htwingnutagreed. Intel doing some work again! It's amazing that these N100 CPU's at 6W are now basically the equivalent of a sandy bridge i5 2500. We've come some way in terms of efficiency. Edit: if super efficiency and ultra low power draw isn't what you're after, or you just need far better iGPU performance, picking up something like a ryzen 2200G or 3200G is probably a better bet, plus those old ryzens are dirt cheap now
Again, DDR5 is dual channel with one stick of RAM (controller ON the RAM). You can not run DDR5 at single channel. By definition, DDR5 is dual channel, but it only requires one stick of RAM.
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Now *THIS* is how to review a system! If you look up the word "thorough" in the dictionary, you'll find HTWingNut's picture. I think the only thing you didn't cover was how these Mini PC's smell :-) Seriously though, the only thing I can think that was missing was the dimensions of the cases, although that's easily looked up and the BeeLink machine's looked to be about the same, and the same for the Trigkey machine. You should be very proud of this work and I'd like to say Thank you for the time and effort you put into this video. Liked & Subscribed.
Love the way you review. Now heading over to find your gaming benchmarks as you forgoit to add the link in the description as you said you would. Thanks for your efforts. Keep doing what you're doing.
Oh, sorry, here it is: th-cam.com/video/dilQ--EQNbo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HaCijHhCg3mp24F4
Really comprehensive and useful, thanks for the great video.
Great comparison review! Thank you for including the Handbrake results. Keep up the excellent work.
Thanks for the feedback and watching. If there's anything else you'd like to see on any of these feel free to ask.
Wow no BS, no sales pitch just, a deep dive into system capabilities, excellent review.👍
Thank you for the information in the video. You really went in depth and I really appreciate it. Excellent quality 👌🏾. You got a sub
Great comparison! 🙂
Thank you.
Thank you for this comparison, very complete and very useful. We see in particular that the PCIe 3 interface (to connect the SSD) is 1 x 8GT/s, therefore limited to speeds of 985 MB/s, regardless of the speed of the SSD. Some critical components are therefore too old to take full advantage of system performance. Too bad...
Excellent review, worth every minute!
Incredibly well done and thorough! ❤
What a nice work you did there....! Thanks a lot.
Thanks for the great review! Really appreciate how thorough you were. I was curious how the dual-channel memory with the 5105 stacked up against the N100, and this video definitely answered that question.
I have a Trigkey G4. Was on offer at Amazon before Xmas for £149.99. It runs and performs very well. I find that on load I can bearly hear the fan. I have a 1gb ssd installed as well and do very large photo transfers and video editing it runs much quieter than my i7 12700 with 64gb ram. Very handy having 2 hdmi and was cheaper than adding another video card to the i7. ATB. regards from the UK
This was an amazing expertly done video. I live offgrid, so every watt counts. Based on your video I was able to determine that for $60 CAD extra and about 5watts extra on light duty, the G5 beats hands down a Rpi5. that was key for me to understand. I ordered two of the G5; one will be a server with debian + CasaOS and the other will be my pc. thanks a million for this video!
Thanks for the kind words! I hope this works out for you!
Nice work. Thanks!
Thank u, great test!
Great job on the comparison.
I was surprised by the performance of the G4 compared to the G5 😮
Very informative, good quality video that will get you more viewers, subscribed for more.
Many review are too simple to show the different faces of a device, you show many faces of them, i'll go for the Trigkey G4 for my Home assistant device to replace my NUC 7100U => More power and lesss power consumption (i'm off grid and each Watt count).
Advice : try to keep things in the same place (i know you already tried too) for example the CrystalDiskMark display 35:00, TrigKeys are now on the bottom while devices were presnted at the top.
Thanks for the suggestions, I will be a bit more careful with that placement.
Thanks for the detailed information. I have a 5195 which is great and i run on a battery bank like a laptop. Makes sense now why it drains the battery if i leave it plugged in, max load is below 30w with monitor though. I think ill upgrade to n95 for better power use and the newer model isnt fanless, which is a nice novelty but gets way to hot
Very useful and informative. Thank you indeed for putting so much work into this review! I guess I'll take G4 for office and web use mainly. Seems the best buy for the money.
Excelent review! Well done! 👏👏👏👏
Good video. I am not sure if someone told you but all DDR5 is duel channel in the chip itself. Kind of visualize DDR5 is 2 banks on 1 die. Running them in pairs puts in quad channel which not all CPU's support.
Thank you. I did end up finding this out recently. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Very thorough and helpful video. Thank you!
Quick question though, with the trigkey devices they mention they only suppport up to 2tb m.2 nvme drives. Even though it is not supported, would a 4tb m.2 drive work? I don't see why it wouldn't work but I'd like your opinion on this please
I can't guarantee, but I don't know why it wouldn't work. Unfortunately I don't have any of these devices anymore nor do I have a 4TB NVMe drive to try it out, otherwise I would!
@@htwingnut Thanks for this, I'm thinking of using the g4 as a mini NAS creating a RAID 1 array with a M.2 NVMe drive and a SATA drive.
Very good! I have a g5 and the beelink one here, checks it both but not as well as you have done. good job!
One question, what software do you use for creating these comparison charts?
So maybe I missed it, but can you answer two questions please? For the Trigkey G5, 1. does the NVMe run at Gen3x2 or Gen3x4 (or 😱 less)? and 2. what is the thermal paste situation? I've noticed on the GMKTec G3, replacing the thermal grease with a thin layer of Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut brought the temps down significantly to like 73 deg C (down from 90+ deg C) under load.
Trigkey G5 M.2 slot is PCIe 3.0 x1 speed. I didn't repaste these devices and I no longer have them so I don't know for sure. But I have found repasting can help by 5-10C typically if it's something you want to risk doing. Glad to see you got yours down to 73C.
The one thing about many of these pastes is that they dry out or "pump out" quickly and lose their thermal advantage. So you need to look for ones that are designed for laptops like SYY 157.
@@htwingnut thanks very much for your work here! It's frustrating that any NVMe you get will lose out on most of its performance by throwing it in these machines. One of the only ones I've found that doesn't do it is the geekom air 12, since that runs at Gen3x4. Anyway, thanks for the reply!
@@briandowdell358 It all depends on the ports available. These CPU's only have 9 total PCIe lanes. If four are used for NVMe then you limit other options like 2.5G or 10G ethernet ports, multiple NVMe slots, or other I/O options.
In my opinion, PCIe 3x2 is more than fast enough in most scenarios for these kinds of PC's. 10Gbps USB 3 is nearly as fast as PCIe 3.0x1, so you can't transfer any faster than that, and even 10G network is no faster than that either.
And I don't think internally a faster NVMe will be that noticeable whether PCIe 3.0 x1 or x2 vs x4. Plus the CPU will be the limiting factor if you are reading the data, processing it in someway and writing it back to the SSD.
@@htwingnut you know, that would be a great video: comparing different mini PCs to see which ones make best use of their hardware without any bottlenecks per the N100. That way, there'd be something to aim at. That's literally all I would like in a mini PC: efficient, good power saving CPU, great use of all the lanes available (that makes sense for a homelab PC or a DIY friendly tinkering machine)... Know anything like that?
@@briandowdell358 Good idea. I don't know of any mini PC's, but there are several mini ITX motherboards with N100, N5105, N97, N305 on them that do. Your best bet is to go with an AMD chip because even their lower end chips have 20 Gen4 PCIe lanes, and the integrated GPU is so much better.
I like your video and I'm very interested in these minis and their processes. But you missed out on other use cases for these machines.
Madia playback (Plex) and local game streaming.
I'd like to see:
4k hdr 5.1 and audio processing passthrough. Lpcm, Dolby etc. specs and performance.
Good suggestion. I'll look into how I can accomplish this. I am working on another video with a couple other newer mini PC models and a couple suggestions for things you can do with them. I'll see if I can make this work out.
Great comparison! The only thing I'd like to see added is LatencyMon figures, since this important for media work.
A note about pricing for Europe. Amazon Germany is a good place to buy as there are often discount coupons. Trigkey Green G4 is €170 but the G5 jumps to €250 as I write (but this is highly variable). The Trigkey Speed S5 is only a bit more at €280, which seems to be an obvious best choice... depending on how it reviews.
So it would be great to see the Speed S5 given the same treatment. It should double performance with the Ryzen 5. But I wonder about cooling and noise figures.
Thank you for the feedback. I will look to add LatencyMon in future comparisons.
Also, in the US, the S5 is about $100 more than the G5 at the moment. 16G/500G S5 is about $285USD vs $184USD for the G5.
If I can get my hands on an S5 I'll give it a go.
@@htwingnut Came back here after obtaining the Trigkey Green G4 N100. I tested the DPC latency and it was all in the green.
For video, playing back two 1080p video streams almost maxed out the CPU and produced some audio crackling. Even after optimising Windows as much as reasonable. This result is disappointing for a unit marketed for the ability to support multiple video outputs. I guess that Alder Lake N100 is simply not fast enough.
I found the fan noise objectionable when the unit was sitting on the desktop, but if mounted behind a monitor or if there is any sound playing at all, this masks the fans. I should say that I am very critical when it comes to sound, so others might care less.
Tested Trigkey support and the result was quite incredible. Instant email back with correct solution to my problem.
All basic daily computer tasks worked perfectly. Smooth operation.
Wonderful thank you! Probably going to pull the trigger on a G5 for those 2.5g nics
Nice review. Pity the ddr5 system was throttling. I would have liked to see how much faster this alder lake-N cpu is when not ram bottlenecked (single channel only).
hi, great review, can you let me know what is the max storage for an add-on to the SATA? is it 1TB or 2TV?
Any idea how the pci lanes are set out on these guys, in particular the wifi slot. Seems like they shoukd have enough lames to wire the wifi slot to 2 lanes which would be awesome for thr coral dual edge tpus
The audio sounds like either something is not setup properly, or you've got a mic designed for talking next to instead of into. Wish I could be more helpful.
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I've changed mic's with later videos.
Working on a better setup overall, but don't have much budget. Problem is I need a wireless lapel mic, and good ones don't come cheap.
An excellent breakdown worth every one of the 57 minutes. Beforehand I would have predicted that the G5 would have been a clear winner in all categories with the faster RAM but was surprised at how the G4 not only held it's own but was even better in some instances. But then it occurred to me that the superior cooling in the G4, despite the added noise may well have contributed towards it's performance. Which made me wonder whether the fans were interchangeable and if installed in the G5, might yield better performance because of increased cooling. The tests were closer between the 4 than I would have anticipated.
Thanks for the response and taking the time to watch!
The fans were all a bit different, but even if you could swap them, I think it comes down to the fan profile in the BIOS, which from my experience, was not user adjustable despite being able to be changed in the BIOS.
@@htwingnut Perhaps try re-pasting the G5 and see if that helps?
watching on this beelink S12 Mini PRO N100 and it is everything I hoped for!!!
I do not do much gaming but for the games I do play occasionally like Black Ops 2 plutonium run great!
Really good video, thank you! Which would you pick. Trigkey G4 or G5 for around $30 more?
I'd get the G5 if it's just $30 more. The DDR5 ram is a solid upgrade over DDR4
I have problems with bluetooth in all linux disitrbuições. The adapter of my s12 pro is the intel AX 201. Any solutions?
There are no good Linux Intel AX drivers available yet as far as I know.
5105 video card 800Mhz / N95 video card 1200Mhz / and Ryzen 7 5800h video card 2000Mhz. N95 is great but for small distance price take a ryzen. ( i have 5105 and N95 and better )
No doubt, for gaming ryzen all the way. But if you just want a budget mini PC, these Intel machines are great devices, if the price is right. These were all about $150-160 at time I acquired them. Considering you can get a Ryzen 5500u machine for ~ $250 it's a great deal especially for gaming. I got my hands on a Ryzen 5500U Beelink SER5 that I am putting through its paces.
@@htwingnutagreed. Intel doing some work again! It's amazing that these N100 CPU's at 6W are now basically the equivalent of a sandy bridge i5 2500.
We've come some way in terms of efficiency.
Edit: if super efficiency and ultra low power draw isn't what you're after, or you just need far better iGPU performance, picking up something like a ryzen 2200G or 3200G is probably a better bet, plus those old ryzens are dirt cheap now
the n100 is significantly faster than a i5 2500@@scroopynooperz9051
its more similar to a i5 6500 lol@@scroopynooperz9051
can anyone get functioning HDMI audio output to a TV/monitor with Linux using a C5105? (I've tried Ubuntu 23.10, Mint 22.1 Edge, Fedora, all no dice!)
G4 looked the winner until the sound tests 😊
Again, DDR5 is dual channel with one stick of RAM (controller ON the RAM). You can not run DDR5 at single channel. By definition, DDR5 is dual channel, but it only requires one stick of RAM.
Sadly intel 7 is 10nm not 7 nm.
1h video? Seriously?
Великолепный обзор!