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- If you are considering trying out one of the digital voice modes but don't know where to start, WATCH THIS VIDEO before you buy one. We're going to discuss DMR, D-Star and (C4FM) Fusion modes. Which one is best, and which one is best for you.
I'm going to dispel the age old myth of sound quality between the three, look at the radio designs, talk about price. This is what you need to know getting started on your journey into digital voice radio. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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As a new HAM (Saturday 1 August 2020), I am now doing equipment research for handhelds, for automobile, and for my homes. I found that Bob helped me out with his opinion on the Kenwood brand radio. Thank you, sir!!! :-)
You were loads of help. But, I still don’t know which way to go. How deep are my pockets - retired totally.
Studying for ham tech license, thank's Bob for the radio comparison.
I love how honest and up front you are on the subject. I have avoided buying any digital radios because of the confusion from everyone else.
Hi Chris Your absolutely right I have been involved in D-Star since 2006 and its progressed to a really smart system, its very mature and works well. I believe Bobs video is absolutely correct. All three systems are great, its when agendas human nature and blown up brand loyaty gets in the way I love the clearness of All the protocols and enjoy ALL of them Fusion Brandmeister or D-Star they all good Pete Willmott VK3TQ 5053202
I love radios, because you arevreally independent, and talk with ones you feel comfortable to talk (almost everyone there are good persons, smart).
All mobile carriers are goverment approved bussiness "man". HAM altruistic independence, once bought, no monthly payments. And these people are real, no propoganda, simple, nice, ordinary people, with brains and healthy, bright minds.
And digital radios soon will be alternative for internet for HAM guys. And more, there all persons are with knowledge, and these "round tables" replaces or creates alternative for "coworking" rooms, to share ideas, discuss, improve creativity, to do studies etc. And almost for free and with effort for everyone.
Chris, thanks for your comment! I purchased a Yaesu FT70DR handheld, and I have a Rugged Spot hotspot ordered and will be here when it gets here. For me, the learning curve for all this digital, Fusion, etc. etc. is way too much for me overall. So what I am trying to do is since we don't have alot of digital repeaters here in the Corpus Christi, Texas area, I ordered the Rugged Spot from NEX-GEN and understand this can even cross over Fusion to D-Star, etc... What I sure would like, if any of you know, is where is there a TH-cam video that explains how to set all this up? Right now, my FT70-DR handheld is set up on FM repeater use because in our area, FM repeaters are used most often. However, now that I have this money invested, I need to understand all of the pieces and parts that make up the digital puzzle and how to set them up to get them to work like they're supposed to. Any suggestions or videos to watch would be appreciated. This video helps pick a radio, but for me, that's already done. Now help me start with programming it (I have ordered but it's not here yet, the RT systems software and cable) how do you choose rooms, how do you pick another ham, how do you disconnect, yada, yada, yada..... Thanks! Mark G. W5HSJ
Was looking for a comparision vid like this for a long time before I switch to digital. Thank you!
Hey Bob. I had a blast talking with you last night. So glad to meet you. I was itching to see this. Great job!!
Out of all the videos out there on the subject, this one actually got to the point best. Since I had already invested in some yaesu's that were not fusion radios, I went ahead and went all out and went fusion when I decided to dip my toe into the water. So far so good and you're right, fusion is the "cheapest" to get into out of the big manufacturers.
At least the FT70 is. I wasn't impressed with the FT2. At a $400 price tag, I expect a lot out of a handheld and while I was intrigued by functions, display and touch screen, the programming and driver issues killed it for me very quickly.
@@K6UDA I got a FTM 3200DR. Wasn't expensive at all,$135 from gigaparts, plenty of watts out and I move it back and forth between home and pickup. Not too many fusion repeaters in area, but I can hit a few and I'm learning the digital ropes.
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okay, a few weeks ago I made the statement that Hoshnashi was also into air rifles. I'm a dork. I confused him with Hajimoto productions. I can't remember which video it was on, but I found this one. sorry for the confusion. Now, where did that beer go?
Re DMR in the UK. There is a great codeplug that covers the whole UK, and the analogue repeaters too. Moonraker have a dual band DMR and analogue codeplug for their HT500D, which is the same as a Retevis RT 82 and a TYT2017.
It also works on the RT3s.
Thanks for the video!
Appreciate the open and honest format! Thanks
My first exposure to the new digital models and you did just a great job. Very clear, very helpful.
Bob, great video and answered a lot of my questions on going digital. Thanks for the great comparison!!
Bob, extremely helpful for an OM trying to figure out which way to go. Thanks for the straight talk. 73's.
I truly enjoyed the presentation - I have the IC 51 A and still trying to understand it fully ... Your direct and well crafted presentation on the subject was a pleasure to watch ... Thanks 73
For someone like me who is just starting, this is a great, down to earth presentation. Big help.
Much of the choice comes down to what system is favourable in your area. Personally, I like D-Star best, but all of the local repeaters are Wires-x. Makes the point of which I prefer a bit mute.
I found DMR to be frustrating, it's great if you stay home, and a disaster for travel. So many of the repeaters don't have their information listed properly, or only partially listed. Not user friendly at all.
love the videos, trying to get an understanding of all this HAM stuff... very helpful! Thank You
Thank you country cousin for doing a great intro to these digital / analogue radio developments. Very helpful. Stay safe.
Best video on digital voice I've seen. Thank you Bob for a fair assessment of them all. Here in Iowa DMR is prevalent, but for me being in a rural setting, I have all three and use a hotspot for them. It's a hoot to listen to folks all over the world on any of these modes. Thank you for this video... enjoyed the quip about other languages... LOL.
Thanks.
This is a great video, i had to watch it twice a second time after i did a bunch of research on the differences to DMR/dstar/fusion/wiresx even is.
I am radio shopping and Bob's video answered everything for me. Thank you Bob for the info and content.
I'm a new tech and have been diving into SOTA, APRS and just familiarizing myself with connecting to repeaters and making contacts. As a new HAM, I find the information/option overload is the biggest initial hurdle. These types of videos are awesome to help prioritize! I have a Yaesu FT3D, but haven't even tried Fusion yet. I feel less FOMO after watching this. I already have plenty of chat groups. I think my time is best spent exploring different antennas with what I have. Thanks!!!
Thanks for another great video and thanks for the QSO yesterday. I started with D-Star and then bought a DMR radio. Of the two I enjoy D-Star the most. After watching your video. Now I’m tempting to try Fusion. Thanks again.
Billy N5DEA
Great to talk to you yesterday. And I'm always happy to help spend other peoples money.
K6UDA my kids and wife like to spend my money too. I’ll add you to that list. Now I’m waiting for your OpenSpot2 video.
Take it easy73s
Billy N5DEA
Really great job of covering the three digital modes available to hams.. well thought out info on all the aspects of each type, the radios, you covered so much in the 16 min video. I’ve listened to all 3 a lot also and I thought it was just me thinking they sounded so much alike in the quality of the audio.
Thanks for this thorough discussion. Truly excellent and very helpful!
Thank you!! I love the feedback from you guys.
Nicely done Bob. Very informative. Keep the conversation going. Knowledge is the key.
Thank you very much for making this video. I keep learning toward Kenwood... :) Thanks again!
Thanks Bob! i am a new ham and have been investigating which way to go with my first radio-your video certainly cleared that up for me. KI5FRK 73.
One of the best videos in the Internet that brings immense clarity on different radios in the digital platform. I guess now have to first survey the repeaters in my country and then take a final call whether to go for a DMR, DSTAR or a Fusion handy. Really appreciate all your efforts in creating these videos and making it simple to understand.
Greetings from Bangalore, India.
73s
VU3TQT
Great summary!! I've not heard it said that clearly anywhere else! Definitely helped me, along with a search for local digital repeaters, choose the best option for me.
Get the same digital modes as your friends! Someone to talk to. Someone to help with configuration. Well done, Randy
Hi Randy, your absolutely correct....where your friends are Pete Willmott VK3TQ ex Icom Australia PS Really Like your videos too !!
K7AGE friends are world wide are they not? What is the purpose of a system like this if not to connect with the entire world?
Another great video Bob. Since there are no Digital repeaters near me I will wait until your open spot video to show me what all that involves. There is a guy that has his Fusion open that I have gone thru to get to the groups on Wires X. Keep them videos coming
Excellent. Just getting started. It's a great hobby and looking forward to diving in a bit deeper
Thanks and welcome to the hobby.
Nice job on the video Bob and very informative. I've been dabbling in D-Star for a short time and this gives me a great overview of the different digital modes Thanks. Jerry N4oze
Thank you for the detailed video, like you said everyone has their opinions about each. It was nice to hear the good and bad about each mode and their respective radios.
This has been very helpful for me. Very unbiased and answers my questions. I live in Northern Ca and there are little to none of any of these type repeaters. I will stick to Echo link and IRLP.
Very good rundown/comparison, thanks.
Great information! I'm looking at getting an AnyTone 878 due to the fact that I can get almost full state coverage with DMR.
Video wise: I loved the switching scenes. However, I would recommend making sure you level the audio when doing so. I had to constantly mess with my volume levels to ensure I could hear you without waking up my wife.
Please keep them coming!
I first got my license in 1967 but let it lapse in the late 90s. I just got it back and digital amateur radio is new to me. This is the best, cut to the chase video about the subject I have seen. Thank you.; W1RNY
A great video comparison at 10k foot level, Bob ... It should certainly help people on the decision fence on mode or $ to make a good decision. Thumbs up!
That's huge coming from Dr. Balun.
Bob, I enjoyed the relaxed-style video (all of 'em) Just gotta say - You are the sorta guy that makes me just want to sit out there on your Patio and rag-chew ham-radio with you for hours! - but your videos are next best thing - Thanks!
Thank you!!
Informative video. In the market for a mobile rig. Looking into all three digital modes and this video helped with that. Thank you.
Excellent Video !!! You ROCK!!
very clear and concise... I would only add that among those radios shown, only the Kendwood D74 has APRS built in! Thanks, and have fun
Great video. Thanks for the explanation. Locally, I have a Fusion repeater. No D-star. The local ham shop said there's lots of DMR usage in the area. I'm leaning towards the FT-70dr at the point as I want to go analog with it as well. Since you don't like the analog capabilities of the DMR offerings so far, that kind of seals it for me.
K6UDA, this the best explanation of the price, quality and usage of the 3 digital radio systems. Thanks for building an excellent video that helps radio users to make their decision.
Thanks. My goal is to make the most watchable, easy to understand videos in Ham Radio.
Thanks Bob. Great video. I just received my D74A this past week and am learning all about it. Since I do not have a D-STAR repeater in the area, I will have to depend on a hotspot. I can't wait to see your review of the new OpenSpot2. I hope it will have access to the X Reflectors. 73 de Bob, AJ5C
Youll love the open spot, really versatile piece of kit, I have an Openspot 1 for DMR, D-Star ( Have DVAP as well) and Fusion and I use the OpenSpot for DMR cross linl to Fusion via XLX 389D Just amazing Pete VK3TQ
I know this video is a couple years old now, but the info is spot on. I switched careers several years ago and went into communications. Having gotten a first hand look at LTR, NXDN and DMR in a commercial venue it was natural to want to play with DMR as a ham. Your summary of DMR being designed around enterprise application is spot on. It's not like as hams we don't have a habit of using commercial equipment, but for hams that can be limiting,. It doesn't allow agility and adaptation to operating(especially travel, as you noted). The commercial setups are designed to be setup and then given to folks who only need to use the device on only one or just a handful of channels.
The other thing that kept me from getting seriously into DMR is the local DMR group. Yes, they've got a whole huge network of repeaters, but their onerous rule set, operating limits and apparent attitude regarding their system, means you might as well not use it, and I know more guys that've stopped DMR use because of it. I heard such bad reports about the group I stayed away from D-Star and Fusion thinking it had something to do with digital modes all together.
I've finally started playing with D-Star and I'm finding that mode to be much more ham friendly, especially with a new ID4100 in the truck making it so easy! I haven't tried Fusion, but if Yaesu has made it that easy it might be worth a look too.
I think If I had it to do over, I would've left my DMR experience at work and concentrated solely on D-Star or Fusion for my hobby and/or Emcomm use. Yes, the initial cost of some DMR radios is cheap but I think the other modes will have a more longevity for me in the hobby.
Thanks for the vids!
73
KX3A
Which mode is best for SHTF ?
@@goosecouple Depends. Analog for GMRS frequencies that have the best possibility for contact. AMR for the best possibility for digital contact. DMR is the most widely used.
Thanks Bob. Very informative. I went with the Yaesu FT70DR
Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge. I have been a ham since the early 1990's but took a bit of a break from amateur radio in part due to my job. I worked as an EMS Lieutenant and a lot of my time was spent in the communications center...surrounded by radios. Anyway...I have since retired (Jan 2017) and I am getting back into ham radio. I dug through the closet and set up my shack and car with some older equipment. As I started plugging in local repeaters...I was noticing comments/notations in the ARRL repeater directory that I did not recognize. Apparently we have gone digital in a number of places :-) Deciding upon which mode to follow....kinda reminds me of the Beta VS VHS decision a while back and the BluRay Vs...I don't remember...Vs another format....
Anyway...time for me to re-educate myself about amateur radio and your video gave me a great start. Thanks again! Scott N1KMX
Welcome back to the hobby
We each got the FT-70. Haven't been on Fusion yet, but this radio is versatile. Glad we got them. Thank you for the thorough explanation. 73 de KD9NGU
How's the battery life on it? I keep hearing it's bad, which is making me cautious about looking into this radio any further. Thanks!
Thanks Bob, great video. I started out with DMR and wrote my own code plug which was a experience. I then found a used Icom ID 51a and began getting acquainted with D-Star. Then at club last month we had a presentation System Fusion C4FM. So... I bought a Yaesu FT5 dr. Still working on the setup for Fusion but it is exactly as you said they all can do about the same thing at the end point. Glad to hear you explain it is very easy terms for all of us.
73 Jeff KE0KRO.
Just bought the 70Dr fusion ,going to try it out,was messing with frm, n had a Estar, couldn't stand the thing ,to hard to operate!
For me! Thanks for what you do Bob!😎
Great video, Cleared up some of the confusion. NB4T.
Great job Bob.Thanks for all the info.I got a Ft2D and it is up and working.Also have a FDT 400 and need to get it up and working on digital.Using a hot spot no fusion repeater in my area.
Thanks! Best video on the subject I seen. Going to get the FT70 DR.
Check out the FT2DR dual digital dual-band transceivers with full X-wires support, both transceivers have digital capability.
Check out DMR first, just to make sure.
Thanks this is the information I was looking for thanks again
Thanks Bob, Great video and answered all my questions. Very informative!
As a new Ham operator to the Digital world . this was a great presentation.. Thank you...!
I recently picked up a Yaesu FT-70D at a Ham flea market for a hundred bucks. It's my first foray into digital amateur radio of any kind, and I have been pleasantly surprised by System Fusion's ease of use, especially after having attended a DMR presentation at a ham club meeting. Getting on a local WiresX repeater was easier than getting on the local analog repeaters and I was pleased to be able to participate without having to buy a Hotspot. This video seems very well considered - thank you.
A really good overview ... well done.
Just noticed we have the same MFJ clock. I like it a lot.
Ive got two 7100 clock radios, one mobile one shack, the best versatile radios Ive ever had
Really insightful ... Lots of good info. Thanks!
Thank you.
Thanks for the info. Very helpful. Grew up in Auburn to boot.
Excellent video, one of the best about this topic.
Thank you, for this chat. I am totally new to digital. I am mostly working from home, and am in a motorized wheelchair whether home or not. We have multiple repeaters locally, of all flavors. I think I will grab that Yaesu 70, and maybe the Kenwood too.
Very informative, thank you!
Another good explanation video. Will share with club as this topic always comes up
I've seen Dstar audio quality differ from radio to radio. I did an on air simplex test. FM, P25 and Dtsar on IC7100. Performance was in the order listed. However P25 out performs analogue when you have weak signals. When we had weak signals we couldn't hear the P25 when tuned to FM but P25 radios were able to demodulate the audio.
Thanks for the video, suggestion for future videos: run your video through a free program called MP4 Gain for PC, it will equalize your audio volume levels from all of your clips to the same level once you run your finished video through the program. I have noticed when your video clips goes from inside to outside, place to place the volume differs. Thanks again for your effort to make these very helpful videos.
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Good stuff Bob! I look forward to using my FT2DR on my next SOTA and seeing how it works. I totally agree on the DMR and lack of ease to program on the fly as a huge downside. Stay safe, but then again I think you might have already retired? Fellow LEO here.
Great vid, very informative and good pointers
Thanks for explaining all of this.
I just got a zumspot and a yaesu ft-70d. Love both of them already. Was wanting to start to get into the digital side of ham radio. With buying the ht it didnt break the bank and was able to get into digital pretty cheap I think. I'm starting to like it and looking into getting the dmr and d-star side of it as well. Great video Bob 73s
Excellent video, Thanks Bob
Fantastic video, thank you!
Great video. Thx for a good overview
Thanks for the honest feedback very insightful
Your wrap up - if you have a lot of Fusion Dstar or DMR in your area you want to go that route! Right on. Enjoyed your informative video - except for the change in volume between you filming indoors then outdoors. Thanks for the info!
Volume is my nemesis. switching between different cameras, mics and ambient conditions is not an easy task.
@@K6UDA It was fine, hams have AGC. :)
Thank you!!!! This cleared things up very well
The best explanation I’ve heard on TH-cam for a newer ham not familiar with the digital world side of ham radio liked and subbed sir. KG5AUB 73
Thanks! Great summary!
Fusion works well...and the AMS mode is great on fusion. It will let analog or digital contact you
I have the MD380 and a SharkRF Openspot and use my phone and a TP Nano for WiFi, battery pack for portable use.I can do DMR, FCS, and WiresX. The analog part of the MD 380 is great no complaints. Cheap way to go
I think your dmr radio might be part of the experience. I can take my BTECH DMR-6X2 anywhere there is a DMR repeater and program it from the front panel in seconds. Also, it works fine on analog FM.
Agreed, I have the Anytone 878 and one I figured out the menu I can do the same. This was my first ham radio.
Hey Man, Just Curious How It Held Up, Do You Still Think It's As Good As You Did Three Years Ago?
Bob, I have to say this is one of the most honest reviews I have seen on multi brand ham radios! Great review I have a digital mode yaesu mobile really haven't played with it much yet and not sure it is Fusion capable I got it for a offroad vehicle so not the top model. Keep the videos coming great info.
Thanks.
Best honest review on the planet. :)
I agree on sound quality there the same. My poison is DSTAR. I use DMR but it's not my go to and fusion is great but limited to the hotspot do to the lack of repeaters. Great video
Thanks for a great Info video, very well done.
Very clear. Great job.
Thanks for the laydown Bob. Great review. 73, de W4JJ
Idk if I can trust this without seeing an FT2DR 🤔👍
Great video.
I had one... For three days. You got to see my FTM400. Doesn't that excite you?
K6UDA I saw your video where you commented on the ft2dr. I think I’ll post a walkthrough video. It can be a complicated radio.
I have the ft2dr like it
I like my FT2DR. It is pricey but to me it’s well worth it. I also like the APRS functions.
Tks very well and clear explanation. Good job
great video and very informative I always wondered the differences and you cleared it up
also judging by the tattoo if you were in the service thank you for that
A really great video
I got a way to get on DMR in October 2018. Nice one way to get communicated across the world.
You're right about: all 3 modes are simply the same , and user can take him/her choice which way to get connected.
73
Nice video Bob !!
I went out and bought both the Yaesu FT-70D and the Kenwood TH-D74. I have to say after using them both for a year, I love them both. Most of my repeaters around me are YSF/WIRESX or DMR but when I travel to a new area, it is so easy to get on D-Star if they have a repeater. And I use APRS on my Kenwood daily. I just need to get me a hotspot at home for home D-Star use.
Anyways, great video and content.
Solid content.
Good discussion. Thanks!
Love your stuff I would like to get into D-Star but it is way out of my $$$ range so I'll just stick with my second-hand VHF.
Another great video, Bob. Thanks for that. I bought an Anytone 868 and a ZUMspot initially to get my DMR feet wet. But I especially like the Kenwood's ability to seek out D-Star repeaters. Thanks for the recommendation. Will be looking for one of those for my next HT - Alan, W6LAN
The Icom Radios will do that too.
@@K6UDA Good to know.
Thanks for this video and giving us the unvarnished truth. I picked up a DMR handheld a couple of weeks ago to play with. One of the things in the back of my head was using it for travel and you answered that question. My solution is to bring my hotspot along, but it sure would be nice to be able to use it in a strange city without a lot of pre-programing and searching for repeater information. Your information helped there and one of the other modes may also be in my future.
Sorry to be the bearer of that bad news. There's some DMR guys that disagree and say everything can be done from the front panel and done quickly but when pressed for details I'm told "its complicated". I don't understand complicated.
Ailuance hd1. In contacts enter contact ID, group, and it's name. In band a or b set choose your color code , time slot, and select the contact you just made. Done from the front panel. Under 30 seconds.
I travel through 4 states almost every weekend for off roading. Use it all the time on the fly. The HD-1's campaign literally is the dmr radio made for amatures.
And before anyone else chimes in, I have the latest firmware, the volume has been corrected, my tx power isn't off, and yes I only use Ailuance antennas. Overall zero issues with it and I use it almost daily
There's the details.
In Australia we have a national D-Star program for the 51A and the 5100 with ALL analog and Digital repeaters in Australia with their respective GPS location Data programmed in A lot of hours and hours of work to program but its done. Now the "Near Repeater Function works in D-Star AND analog. Really great in a big country like Australia Try and get a crappy TYT to do that, and then export to excel to program other Icom radios, DMR is for Masochists
"If I offended you, too bad". If that isn't already on a T-shirt, it should be. Great stuff, Man. Thank You.