TONE in Drive Pedals - It's In The CIRCUIT! | Too Afraid To Ask
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What are the TONE controls on Drive Pedals doing? Reducing Treble? Boosting Bass? Or something else entirely?
Let's look at 4 iconic dirt boxes that each do tone circuits differently.
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ProCo RAT - 00:54
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What are the TONE controls on Drive Pedals doing? Reducing Treble? Boosting Bass? Or something else entirely?
Let's look at 4 iconic dirt boxes that each do tone circuits differently.
Featured pedals:
ProCo RAT - imp.i114863.net/QMLM3
EHX Little Big Muff -www.thomann.de/gb/electro_harmonix_little_bigmuff.htm?offid=1&affid=367
RYRA 'The Klone' - reverb.grsm.io/ryraklone
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#tone #distortion #overdrive
Timecodes:
Intro - 00:00
ProCo RAT - 00:54
Little Big Muff - 02:46
Skillshare Ad - 04:49
RYRA Klone - 06:19
Tube Screamer - 08:19
Conclusion - 10:09
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It feels so good to see someone _knowing_ their stuff instead of just feeding you sales pitch bullshit of mystic mumbo jumbo mojo myths. Refreshing to watch a professional at work.
Could you design an amp or pedal from scratch and explain all of your component choices, what everything does, etc? it's a bit of a big ask but it's something i'd love to see
I'd also love to see this.
I think alot of us would love to see that. Hell, I'd love to have an amp he built. Imagine having an amp he built and you got to not only watch but hear the what, the why and the how of what he did. That would just be amazing. Only trouble is, he's far too busy and it would cost so much it probably couldn't be worth it to him or anyone who would buy it.
he did, it was called the target mids and was a mid-focused parametric EQ. it didnt sell well and was discontinued. he mentions it in his boss eq200 video.l
This would be legendary
This is a FABULOUS IDEA, you could do a series on it...
Brilliant video, at last somebody explains tone with reference to Hendrik Bode. As an electronics engineer I really liked how you explained the difference in the circuits, it is not an easy thing to get across in a short space of time., so well done! Classic pedal circuits are not 'state of the art', just simple, tried and tested, 20th century electronics; and yes, nothing mythical in the at all. Great vid, loved it!
I cracked up the first time I saw the Muff tone circuit on a schematic - it's pretty much the most "naive" implementation of a tone control you could possibly come up with - just crossfading between passive lowpass and highpass filters with a pot. I still think about it every time I'm designing a circuit and find myself wondering if my solution is too dumb and simplistic.
Always ask - could I be doing this any dumber than I am right now? ;)
It's worth noting that the filter on the Rat and the two filter sections in the Big Muff (as well as SOOOO many other pedals that use an identical form of tone control), and to some extent the TS-9, are fairly shallow. The "sculpting" of frequencies removed occurs at a slope of 6db-per-octave. That is, if the filter is cutting highs, 1000hz will be 6db less/"quieter" than 500db, and 2000hz will be 6db even softer than that. In other words, few tone controls are any sort of brick wall; *some* of the filtered-out content WILL get through, albeit it at a much lower volume level.
In the case of the Big Muff, the two filter sections of the tone control begin their respective rolloffs somewhat apart. Depending on HOW far apart (or close together), this can result in a "scoop" produced by the zone between them, or alternatively a bit of a bump up, if they are close together and the common frequency content on each path sums together. Although there is certainly a bit more to it than that, many of the audible differences between various issues of the Big Muff are a result of differences in component values in the tone control that produce wider or narrower "scoops" a little higher up or lower down in the spectrum. I recently modded a friend's NYC Big Muff to conform to the Tone control properties of the Black Russian, and found it a more pleasing sound; enough that I went and modded my own big-box Big Muff to be the same.
I have been hoping to see an explanation of this for literally decades. Learned the math for this in uni but it was never applied to audio. Thank you!!
I always appreciate it when you get the oscilloscope out - helps with my own decision making when picking the right pedal to dial in a tone
I think you might have missed the point then
That klon tone control circuit is both genius and ridiculously over the top, I love it!
It's just the treble side of a Baxandall circuit really, fairly textbook stuff.
It’s meth, magic and mojo.
Incidentally on big muffs with a tone bypass you get a huge volume boost from taking the passive circuits out
These videos make me very, very happy. I really appreciate the graphics and explanations. I develop software as a career, but I went to college for a BSEE. I love to exercise that EE part of the brain that I just don't use much anymore. 👍🏻
Oh, these explanations explain a lot. Thank you for this concise and extremely clear clarification.
Once again you go beyond many other channels and offer up data and facts followed by a simple demo to make the point. Well done.
Really great vid as always Colin. I love that whenever you put out new vid like this I end up learning something new
Love these videos on guitar electronics. Keep it up!
Amazing videos, love your visuals and describing in a simple way. Please keep them coming! 🙏
Great presentation here, the tone prints and circuit diagrams (and even the scary maths) really shoved more information about pedals into my brain
Excellent description. Well done video.
Freaking awesome, Colin! Large parts of it were over my head, but I love what you're doing with the scope, it really helps visualize what's going on. Keep up the awesome work!
What a great video! Clearly a lot of work went into this!
Super well explained, man!! I wish I could teach my students like you do with those subjects! Great video!
Excellent! I learned a lot.
Your videos are awesome, and extremely helpful and informative. Thanks a million.
This show is getting better everyday! Keep it up!
Was really great to see the bode plots! Thank you
Fantastic analysis. Thanks
Excellent presentation on this topic! I most appreciated your pairing of the visual presentation of the waveform with the audio. The circuit diagrams mostly go over my head, and the math, well ... we just won't talk about that.
Great channel! I’ve just discovered your channel today and love it! Great explanations and demonstration.
Thanks Colin! Something about this video... just completely hit me in the sweet spot of where I am on my guitar pedal journey. I can't explain better.... but trust me it was magical.
Great video man! Was nice see how these drives work. Hope we could see more overdrives covered like the nobles odr1 or the timmy.
So that's why there are narrow sweet spots in the pedals that have 2 knob controls that aren't quite just low and high pass filters.
Colin shows us the circuit and the waveform! You are so good to us.
Damn, thank you. I needed this knowledge, as I'm always interested in getting a variety of staple circuits into my pedal repertoire.
Great great video. Perfect explanation of this 😍, thank you
Loved the out-take!
this one came out on my b-day!! gotta appreciate Colin's effort and mastery
Awesome video! I'm currently teaching myself the basics of pedal circuitry and having these formulas available to work out the values to attenuate certain frequencies is super useful. I'm sure this would be a fairly large scope project, but I would LOVE to see a series that goes in depth about what *exactly* every capacitor, resistor, potentiometer, diode, etc is going in a variety of simple pedal and amp circuits from an electronic standpoint and how it affects the signal going through the circuit. There are surprisingly few good resources out there that delve into this stuff (at least that aren't in the form of long walls of text on 20 year old websites with ancient formatting) and there's a definite gap in the market there for some quality content.
That was really interesting. Thank you for that.
That was very transparent! Thanks
I have all the pedals demonstrated (except the Klon thing), and this explains plenty about how they are behaving and why.
Also your electronics explanations really work well!
Brilliant! Cheers!
Thanks, this was great! Really well explained and helpful! :)
This was a fantastic video. Thanks for all the effort.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice scope :D I love this technical/scientific approach.
Hi Colin, you probably won't find this comment among all the others but I want to say thank you for creating the content that you do. I have been watching your content on and off for years now and, while I haven't been the most consistent viewer, I noticed your content has stayed the same in terms of presentation and only improved technically. I've been producing and performing music for just under a decade now and your content reminds me of a simpler time back then - it's almost become a comfort zone for me because of the fantastic consistency. Keep it up and big love as always.
👏🏻 Very instructive, thank you !
This is an awesome way of graphically; for the first time ever someone explains what frequency/frequencies are altered!
man, now I'm wishing my drive pedals came with a frequency graph on the low, mid, and high settings instead of just "low" and "high" or the other ways tone knobs are usually labeled
Exactly, I just can't understand why they just don't show the audiograph in the manual
Awesome video!
Thank you for again teaching me something I didn't know!
Great video! Subbed
Great video!
I really appreciate this one, thank you Colin!
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Excellent thanks so much 👍
7:44 me singing at full lungs LIVING AFTER MIDNIGHT! ROCKING TILL THE DAWN! LOVING TILL THE MORNING THEN I`M DONE!
Great video 👍
Great video! Reminds me of a very good article by Electric Druid about his distortion schematic called the hard bargain, which uses some very clever eq controls.
Excellent explanation! Its so great that you now use the potentiometer and graphs, makes it much easier to understand whats going on. I suppose then any form of "boost" would require an active component, but do implementations vary similar to the tone knob as well? My bands lead guitarist uses a Metal Muff and the boost is pushing the hights beyond barable, I wonder if there would be better options available.
Wow, thank you. A fantastic explanation, both diagrammatic and dynamic - so easy to understand even for technical idiots like myself.
Cool stuff 👍
*me only passively paying attention*
Collin: "METH, MAGIC, AND MOJO"
Love the way you use an oscilloscope to demonstrate in these types of videos!
thanks for this video
Brilliant video, Colin!
I've mainly used Fuzz Faces and Treble Booster pedals, so EQ on pedals is something I haven't dived into, yet.
Even if you use just a single boost pedal, the frequencies it boosts is really important to make it work with the amp, at any given setting, as a whole.
Recently I acquired an Effectrode Tube Drive Pedal, which has a Baxandall Active tone control. I get the "active" part, but what is so special about Baxandall EQ, so many players swear by?
Loving the more technical explanations, and the teeth
Another TH-cam of yours takes the unknown out of music technology for us.
I love this video!
Those weird little outro clips at the very end are the cherry on top of your videos. Also, obligatory comment for the algorithm.
This is a useful video 👍
Great video. You should have used a JPTR Warlow for this. It's a Big Muff with a switch inside that swaps it's Muff tone stack for a RAT's tone stack.
Livin after midnight! Rockin' til the dawn!🤘🏻
This is a great question
I have the Rat, and a Big Muff pedal. I also have the little Ibanez amp built around the Tube Screamer. Thank you for explaining these buddy!
I have a better understanding of them now. I always just turnef the knob until it sounded good to my ear!😄😎👍✨
Turning it until it sounds good is basically all you need, bit knowing the specifics might get you there faster.
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What do you get when you mix a Wizard and a Genius? Hell if I know... but I do know him as Collin!
Thanks buddy!☺
Aye, good video! You mixed up the power rails on the Klon op amp 🤫.
That Rat pedal sounds so good! I wonder if it would sound good with my rig… 🤔
Rats sound great
Phenomenal.
Great video and your advertisement skills are excellent. You should look into marketing. You're a natural.
I love the too afraid to ask series. Even if I kinda understood before I come away with a much better understanding. Please do one to explain what the hell they're talking about when they say "sag" in an amplifier. I want to hear the difference
Sag is a momentary drop in supply voltage which prevents the loudest transients - typically in the attack of notes - from being amplified to full volume.
It's a dynamic response you'll really only get from valve rectified amplifiers being driven to the extremes of their volume.
If such an amplifier is amplifying with all of its power and you suddenly demand more from it, even just for a moment, the rectifier simply will not be able to keep up - its voltage will sag and the power valves won't have the voltage they need to amplify fully. It makes playing feel 'spongy'.
It's a very difficult thing to communicate in an video with compressed audio being streamed across the Internet, dynamic responses don't translate all that well to this medium. Being the one playing the loud amp is the most apparent way to experience it.
Would love to see in this list the evh 5150 overdrive! This was great!
I really hope I wasn't the only person who had to pause the video briefly to die laughing after the phrase 'iconic dirt boxes'... （great vid ofc）
This explains as graphic as a GE-7 displays on its faders!!
I could be awesome if you can show the Bluesbreaker!
To understand what transparent means; in terms of its tone knob cut/let-through/attenuated/boosted frequencies 🙏🙏
A suggestion for a next video of too afraid to ask : Playing through a computer plugin : how and where to start
The Op amp Big Muff having the ability to bypass the tone control makes sense now, because the tone control's cutting some mids wherever you set it
This vid makes me WANT to live after midnight!
Discord notification squad!
RIP Egg.
excellent ! thank you thank you thank you :-)
Colin -- Why are the DS-1 and Big Muff quite similar? If you look at the schematics (and yes, I realize that Big Muff has had at least 10 different versions), why do they seem to follow very similar ideas in terms of the layout.
For instance, one part of the circuit on both seems to almost be a mirror of the next portion. If you look at Electro Smash's Big Muff schematic, it is the section labeled "Clipping Amplifier." Between "Sustain" and the Tone Stage, the two sections are basically identical.
If we look at ES's DS-1 schematic, those two sections that are repeated are replaced here with two Op-Amp stages that would almost be identical if the second stage didn't go to the distortion clipping circuit. Was Boss trying to either turn the Big Muff into a distortion pedal, or alternatively, were Boss influenced by the Muff?
Overall big muff and little big muff are my fav of pedals....it's Its just a fun pedal to play around with.
F=1/(2Π*R1*C1)
R in ohms and C in uF
Oh man the breadboards are coming out!!
This video made me sad, because I can only give it a single upvote. Awesome video - more like this please.
Your thumbnail makes me laugh. “It’s not all in the fingers!!”
I remember people telling me that tone was all in the fingers when I was learning. It makes me think of my buddy who thought that the way you get a distortion sound was you had to “be a good player.” He was playing through a clean amp the whole time. But tone is in the fingers. I use fuzz and reverse delays and modulated reverbs, but clearly that’s because I have magic fingers. My guitar and amp and everything else don’t have anything to do with it.
There is another very common tone control you didn't bring up in the video - the fixed frequency, variable intensity low pass filter. A single RC filter, like in the RAT, but with the potentiometer placed in series with the capacitor to ground (or some other configuration that bypasses the filter). So essentially, the lower half of the Big Muff tone control. This version is used in the Fulltone OCD, and many others.
Here's one that my brain has been trying to get a grip on lately, although unsuccessfully....
Pickups wired in 'series' or 'parallel' - How, why, and probably more important, how do they sound side by side?
I can't be the only guitarist who's flummoxed by this TATA question 😆👍
Excelent video!
I hava a TATA, as I understand, IR is a very complex EQ that simulates the response of a given speaker+cabinet+mic. If I have the IR curve of my cabinet and want it to sound like another, is it possible to make IR (wanted) -IR (current cabinet) = IR (differece) to obtain a certain IR curve that will make my cabinet sound like another?
Interesting to know how gain tone controls work
But I wanna apply a passive RC 2-band EQ in a bass with the pots only attenuating the volume of the bass and treble band
But I have a few questions that need to be answered in order to plan ahead:
What is the best cutoff frequency for both bands?
Can I apply treble bleed circuits on the volume knobs of the bands' volume knobs without creating problems?
And what pot resistance is ideal for the bands' volumes? (given that it's a humbucker bass and the pots don't have the exact same function your average tone control has)
Hi Colin! Can you consider doing a video about octavers? I want to make a metal duo (bass + drums) but I'm struggling to find a good octaver to split the bass signal. I would love to see an engineer's take on why octave tracking is so difficult and what would be the best solution.
would you ever do an updated version of your "restringing a floyd rose" video? i still can't get the hang of mine and am curious if you've learned anything over time that you would add to that video that would help
Good info Colin... I thought all tone circuits worked the same!
Sorry Colin, but I need to be monstrously pedantic about your statement at 7:00 - the Tone knob on the BMP doesn't shift the frequency at which attenuation begins as both RC filters are fixed. That said, it shifts the spectrum of the output, which probable renders your statement "Close Enough" for non-electronics-geeks.
Very interesting video though so please don't take my whinging too seriously - the BMP is the only one of these pedals I have any experience with, and it was nice to see how the others do it.
Very cool, how would I go about learning what pedals do what?