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  • @Sensorgrafie
    @Sensorgrafie ปีที่แล้ว

    The most interesting interpretation of the game I found so far. Many thanks!

  • @gruberjens4354
    @gruberjens4354 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We just recieved our first senet board and have tried out some sets of rules... Yours are the best :-) It feels just right and streamlined. So its much more fun than the "offical" rules. Thanks for your insight in it and sharing your set of rules. We will try to spread them, as widely as possible

    • @antaine1916
      @antaine1916  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! Also, if you really want to add another dimension, try it with the different-sized sticks (the ancient sets had sticks distinguished by size or two sticks and a special die). You can add a little sticker to the flat side of two of the ones you have if you just want to distinguish them without actually altering them by cutting or painting. Once I'd tested that out, I made a new set of sticks by getting a piece of fancy, rounded molding and just cutting them to the right lengths.
      Here's a link to my 3 minute video explaining how that variant works: th-cam.com/video/hde6yjr4j7k/w-d-xo.html

    • @gruberjens4354
      @gruberjens4354 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the tip. We actually planed to try the different sized sticks next. I will let you know our thoughts :-)

  • @KarenSDR
    @KarenSDR 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I read your post on boardgamegeek and my immediate reaction was that it felt right. Thanks for making the video!

    • @antaine1916
      @antaine1916  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the commendation, and you're welcome for the video!

  • @jpacitto
    @jpacitto 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So having just discovering Senet (right after discovering Ur) I was at first disappointed to see conflicting rules for Senet, but then reading your post and now (luckily, as the post links don't work) finding your videos I'm once again elated. The similarities to Ur make much more sense as I'd assume some coincidental invention or inspiration. I can understand people wanting to find a different game in and of itself, but I think your interpretation is much closer to how it would have been played, as it works thematically as well.

  • @ignaciodl9016
    @ignaciodl9016 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like your version. Your insight is much appreciated and thank you for taking some of your time to share it :)

    • @antaine1916
      @antaine1916  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Much thanks. Check out my other short video where I explain something else that I realized about the sticks after making this first set of videos. It's about 3 1/2 minutes long: th-cam.com/video/hde6yjr4j7k/w-d-xo.html

  • @MrArthoz
    @MrArthoz 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What you said really makes sense....because I've read that this game also played like a solitaire game where a living player plays against the soul of the dead. Repeating moves from bonus throws and other modern rules seemed to make it quite hard to play it like so.

    • @antaine1916
      @antaine1916  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +MrArthoz I've also hit upon another aspect of the modern game that doesn't go with the ancient sets. The ancient boards had five sticks of different sizes (three short and two long) or two sticks and a knucklebone. It seems that they were designed to give you a divided result (much like the two dice used in modern Backgammon). The two long sticks would yield a result of 0, 1, or 2 while the three short sticks would yield 0, 1, 2, or 3. A knucklebone had four functioning sides, so that would also yield 0, 1, 2, or 3. It would seem that the two numbers could be grouped together to move one pawn or divided between two pawns. I discovered that and made new sticks after shooting this video. It does improve the game's flow quite a bit.

    • @MrArthoz
      @MrArthoz 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Antaine Ó hÓgáin I've just playtested today using simple sets of printed board and coins to replace the pawns and throwing sticks. I've even marked two of the coin to represent the longer sticks. Playing it solitaire is possible and I've added a few rules to make it interesting and to avoid unfair manipulation.
      1. There must be no more than three pawns in a row....this give better chance to capture pawns and it increases the risk of forcing the player to move their pawns into the Waters of Chaos. This rule also prevent choke points especially on the first five counters before going through the House of Rebirth. This would also creates a blind spot where no pawn could be captured if it causes pawns to form more than three pawns in a row.
      Also the logic for this because only the last three spaces could be filled and the fourth is the Waters of Chaos....so its somewhat makes sense.
      2. Splitting number of moves....if player chooses to divide the moves, two pawns must be able to make a valid move (one pawn cannot move twice from a single throw), if not possible then only one pawn move either the maximum number of steps or any one of the divided results. This could make the the game easier or harder.
      Also allowing one pawn to move out the House of Rebirth/House of Happiness and another to move in from one throw of sticks....repeating the free throw until all pawns have moved gives opportunity for players to catch up...speed things up and makes sure no player being ahead could be sure of victory....anything could happen, this what I learned from my trial game.
      3. I ignored this in my trial game....but some rules I've read mentioned that the pawn in the House of Happiness must move out whenever possible or exit the game with a throw of 5. So I guess this would force a move into the Waters of Chaos.
      Btw, I was thinking of replacing the sticks with a simple system of 4 sided sticks so you only need two of them....one for the 0-1-2-3 and the other for 0-0-1-2 results. But I did a quick calculation, five sticks will result with 32 permutations where there is 1-in-32 chance for a 5 move throw but with four-sided dice it will result with 1-in-16 so the probability will vary between using dice and throwing sticks.
      The common number of moves is 2 and 3 but....the ability to divide the moves makes it more flexible and allows players to plan ahead. Player who are ahead could easily find themselves defeated if not careful....it'll be like chess but with a random chance added to it. The option to make risky move where the luck of the throw could change the fate of who is the winner is very refreshing. Players could gloat at being ahead only to find themselves losing the race.
      Good time to spend my weekends doing the calculation and test play...but being able to play Senet solitaire would give options for things to do in my free times when I'll be doing my work in the jungle in a few more months to come. It's easy to make the board scratching the ground and using sticks & stones.
      I've read the memoir of an engineer who played cricket in his head by counting the number of bird hoots...those were the days before random numbers generators. When working in the jungle without any electronics, internet, let alone a proper place to set up the game to play...you'll do anything to keep away the insanity of boredom.
      Thanks again for your version of Senet rules. I'd like to post my findings on the boardgamegeek forum but I think you'd better verify my variation to the rules....see if it works for two players. My method is just to adapt for solitaire play. Hope to see more updates from you.
      Edit: also I think there is no need to make two longer sticks, just the usual five sticks but the other two marked just to show the difference. But using coins are good too though I need something else to mark the sides....my sharpie pens just don't to stay permanent on coins surface.

    • @antaine1916
      @antaine1916  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, you could mark them instead of making them different sizes. I just didn't want to alter the original sticks that came with the game. I did buy blank dice and drilled them to make dice that yield the same statistics as the sticks (one six sided die and one eight sided die -- I forget exactly what the faces were as I don't have the game at hand, but it's the same as the sticks).
      You do suggest some interesting variations, but I have to say I was also trying to eliminate rules that would not be readily apparent from the old pictures and boards. Creating traffic jams or sitting on the HoR can be used for strategy. They also can't be done for too long, as the jamming player still needs to pass through that square and to move his other pieces. I have found that when someone creates a logjam, while his opponent has a bit of trouble for awhile, the breakout is typically fierce and I don't recall but one game where it really worked to someone's advantage. For instance, sitting on the HoR may prevent the other guy from advancing four of his pawns (he's usually got one out by then, but when he finally gets to move, he can use almost every result he rolls, while the jammer with just one pawn left gets stuck with bad moves of the Waters more often because he has fewer options.

    • @antaine1916
      @antaine1916  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just checked; my dice are sided like so:
      0-1-1-2-2-3 (6-sided)
      0-0-1-1-1-1-2-2 (8-sided)

    • @MrArthoz
      @MrArthoz 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Antaine Ó hÓgáin Ok, first I'm going to make a proper Senet board of my own...going to look for scraps in the timber lab, got some nice hardwood that could make good throwing sticks. I think there is not much need to force a move since the rule for moving any valid move will require the pawn to leave marked spot, one time in test play a pawn had to jump into WoC because of this. Like you said, less pawn meant less choice and also crowding an area also could be dangerous especially near the WoC. Lets continue this discussion on bordgamegeek forum, I'll try to document some move pattern and post them there.

  • @ash0nly770
    @ash0nly770 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should do some Senet strategy videos! 👍

    • @antaine1916
      @antaine1916  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I may, but since I'm 99% sure that sticks of two different sizes should be used, that changes the strategy a bit. I have yet to do a video demonstrating that method of play.

    • @ash0nly770
      @ash0nly770 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Antaine Ó hÓgáin thanks for your time 👍

  • @thepardoner2059
    @thepardoner2059 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You seem to have employed some of the rules generally associated with the Royal Game of Ur. This is not a bad or "incorrect" approach, of course, but since I enjoy both Senet and Ur, I prefer to keep these already similar games as dissimilar as possible. I particularly miss the "dancing" capture rules usually applied to landing on an opponent's piece.

  • @TheVenusGenetrix
    @TheVenusGenetrix 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you add the horus to your board? I have the same one but is missing eye of horus on last space?

    • @DocHollidayGames
      @DocHollidayGames 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He said he did in the comments three years ago

  • @ash0nly770
    @ash0nly770 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where did you get the board?

    • @antaine1916
      @antaine1916  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amazon, but I did make some modifications to it afterward. I've shortened three of the sticks (after this video) so that it conforms to ancient versions (also, there is a backgammon-esque rule that then makes a lot more sense allowing you to split the throw between two pawns if you wish), and I added the eye on the bottom right square. Here's a link to the board:
      amazon.com/WE-Games-Wood-Senet-Game/dp/B00005TNHI/

    • @ash0nly770
      @ash0nly770 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, how did you add the eye?

    • @antaine1916
      @antaine1916  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I printed it out on a full-sheet inkjet label page and cut it exactly the size of the inside of the square. Then, I gave it a few coats of clear nailpolish to seal the ink and disguise any air or "fogginess" made from air trapped in the grain of the wood.

    • @ash0nly770
      @ash0nly770 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Antaine Ó hÓgáin could you send me a link where you got the label page

    • @antaine1916
      @antaine1916  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was just a pack of printable labels from an office supply store. I think Avery was the brand.

  • @robertf5307
    @robertf5307 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you’re gonna make up rules...