Was Itachi Actually EVIL?!?
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My headcanon is that Hiruzen suffers from Dementia and just forgot everything Itachi was telling him.
😂👌🏾
And then Tsunade coincidentally also has Dementia, and forgets everything Itachi tells her.
@@Kiroana ah mean she’s like 50+ as well
@@Kiroana or Itachi got fed up with Hiruzen disregarding or forgetting his reports and quit sending them!
Sleepy Hiruzen
Realistic reason: Itachi being a good guy was a retcon. He behaves like an Akatsuki member because he was one.
But he isn't a good guy 😭 he killed his entire clan good guys don't do that no matter the reason he's a terrible person and has a god complex
@@samanthaedwards6154I mean that’s your opinion
@@samanthaedwards6154he was the turning point of the war arc
@@dman5849 yea he was he also admitted he went about it the wrong way and should of trusted Sasuke , orochimaru also helped
Obito killed the defenseless, like the women, children, and elderly. So that makes it a little better for Itachi lol
not to mention the fact that itachi can easily control what happens in the tsukuyomi world, including how much time passes in there, to literally put anyone under that genjutsu and tell them straight up all the information in a split second.
holy lord i never thought of that .and by the fact that he made izumi live her whole lie in tsukuyomi he could easily do that and nobody would know
@@nah_mate6914ayo ayo i actually never thought about that
Bro mindblown you've thought of that. Literally no excuse why he hadn't passed more info to other ninjas
@@Jawn009 well he could of had a fear lf it going around, but its still stupid, he can day it to the hokage or jiraya
He did the tsukyomi to Kakashi, who he had no reason not to trust. That would have been a great time to divulge all of the secrets he had instead of torturing Kakashi.
I have a strong belief that Itachi was retconned when Kishimeto was writing Shipudden. I don’t think Kishimeto intended for Itachi to be a spy when he first wrote his character
I agree.
1. " have a strong believe that Itachi was retconned when Kishimeto was writing Shipudden."
where tf was he retconned a retcon would be perhaps stating that itachi didnr commit the crimes or is extremely broken from the sins he has commited or something like that . but itachi remains a comically bad person to the end the guy killed Uchiha oldies and babies alike has "no regrets" and says that the fate was deserved until the uchiha didnt "change" - and how 8 y/o sasuke couldve changed them?
he does say he is a failure - and thats because he is
but the "failure" is about him not being able to turn sasuke into a konoha bootlicker , he says "you ended up a terrorist"
i mean for a second lets assume that itachi actually didnt regret killing uchiha babies but alteast had a soft spot for sasuke how tf could he not regret torturing his baby brother to the point where he goes into coma (at ages 8 and 13 ) and inflicting so puch pain on him , or think of brainwashing him.
2. "I don’t think Kishimeto intended for Itachi to be a spy when he first wrote his character"
I doubt , he is shown to be an Anbu - the anbu special militia used for purposes like this only , although he is a pathetic spy who got to the anbu position simply because he provided valuable info. on the uchiha ( for which i dont think he had much work to do since he was the chiefs son and future heir and probably got first row seats in meetings ) and he is so comically bad at it that he almost blows his own cover by hitting the uchiha cops who came to enquire him .lulz . since the anbu are handpicked by the hokage his pathetic skills dont bar him from joining the anbu .
and gosh i hate his retconning bs soooo much its so infuriating first wankers' worhsip the ground itachi walks on and then when itachi comes out as incosistent from their POV they start blaming the author who created the charehcter himself !!
@@hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh236 Itachi only kills the combatants of the uchiha village. Obito killed the non-combatants (children, women, etc.).
@@mag51284 where tf do u wankers get this info.? Definitely not given in the manga , not said by obito not said by itachi or anyone so Definitely NOT canon .
Shinden ? In itachi shinden book of darkness it's explicitly mentioned how itachi killed killed yashiro uchihas entire family ( which consisted of his parents - oldies, his wife- woman ? , a child not older than sasuke ) before cruelly torturing yashiro ( yes cruel even by itachi standards) .so its curious to me how u have not only invented an itachi who never existed but also given him attributes that directly contradict canon and then u sit and wonder why his charechter comes off as inconsistent
@@mag51284 Obito killed the Uchiha police force. In the anime at least
It actually surprises me that like every single shinobi in every village and their children didn't know about Samehada and it's abilities. Those are the same swords that all notorious 7 best swordsmen of the Mist have wielded. Why only Kakashi knew? And yeah, I would have to imagine that at the very minimum Itachi would've reported who are the members of Akatsuki, since nearly all of them were listed in bingo book and were legendary level.
I would like to think in the bingo book it mentions he owns one of the swords but everyone who has ever saw it died.
Usually Samehada drains their chakra so no one's left alive to report about it- and if your in the ninja world, no chakra = death
@@andreimaxwell4455Swords in general and especially Samehada is not exactly ideal for concealed carry. So it's not like you see it, you're dead.
@@atklm1most of the 7 ninja swordsmen were killed by Might Dai and all of their abilities were recorded, and sometime after the Mist recovered all the fallen swordsmen's blades. Maybe the Samehada user survived and escaped thus his abilities weren't recorded. But This Is All Headcanon.
@@scargreatness8457 I don't really buy it. Kakashi knew it, the whole Leaf should've known it.
When Itachi said "everything was a part of my plan", I felt that. Truly an Itachi moment of all time.
What ep?
@@Sixth_god_of_heaven :clueless:
aizen?
@@Sixth_god_of_heaven it's a joke itachi never said that 😂
@@user-monke_D_goofy 💀 I
It would be interesting if it was revealed that the Akatsuki rings were given to the individual members to act as a sealing jutsu to restrict the wearer from letting non-Akatsuki members know information about the Akatsuki, their inner workings and their plans.
That would be a legitimate and clever way to give Itachi an out about not giving Konoha any information about the literal only reason why he joined the Akatsuki.
If the rings were made out of Pains Chakra Rods and was a sealing jutsu, it would be linked to the ring bearers Chakra network and connected to Pain. So Nagato would be able to tell if it was a clone wearing the ring, their whereabouts at all times and if it is the legitimate Akatsuki member wearing the ring.
But nope, the Akatsuki rings were just forgotten and didn't result in anything. Just a cool little accessory like a class ring. Smh.
That's so smart, it would literally solve so many plot holes surrounding the akatsuki
That's smart. Nice.
This needs more up votes because kitsmoto had a plan for them but the editors told to not do it to not make naruto as long
Sad fact: Itachi and Jiraiya died on the same day.
Dark 💀
Oh... Whatever day that is should be an international day of mourning. We lost 2 of the most wholesome ninja from the leaf that day ;-; (feel free to debate me on Itachi being wholesome)
YOU FUCKING LIE! Right? Like is that canon?
Kishimoto 🗿
We got a date?
All true bro, except for one main fact. The only thing Itachi helps out with is preventing the Ataksuki from destroying Konoha. When he dies first thing Óbito does is send Nagato to destroy Konoha. “Our little eye sore is gone” - Tobi to Zetsu
Then why didn't Obito tip off the Akatsuki that Itachi was a spy.
No😂
@@Hosanki Dumb question.
@@Hosanki because he was fine with going aIong with the deaI du
Konoha got destroyed tho...
Jiraiya: *teaches Naruto the Rasengan & Summonings*
Itachi: *Talk no Jutsu'd Naruto*
And shoves a mangekyou sharingan down his throat. Naruto could’ve potentially awaken rinnegan maybe
@@dman5849I was thinking the same thing.
@@dman5849what's the process to awaken it?
@@scargreatness8457 Basically, having a Sharingan and Hashirama cells.
@@igorporfiirio4915 right. Thanks
Omg I been saying this, something else that make absolutely no sense. He hit Kakashi with Tsukiyomi, a realm where he has complete control of, why didn’t at any point he didn’t just tell Kakashi what was going on? Kakashi knows how to keep a secret and he should trust him as well seeing that they were in the ROOT together… bruh
Because it was a personal secret. He wanted to die with the secret without only him and Obito knowing. His only reason for living was for Sasuke to kill him thinking he’s a villain so why tell Kakashi who is one of the closest people to Sasuke. He wanted to die a villain more than anything he even put Amaterasu in Sasukes eye because he knew Obito knew his secret and might tell Sasuke.
@Beanz356 You saying that makes Itachi sound like a selfish, manipulative sociopath.
He severely underestimated Sasuke's intelligence and ability to find out what really happened.
So he didn't even achieve his goal. Naruto fixed everything for him.
@@She_namedme_DJ yes, Itachi admits that he treated Sasuke as a kid all the way up to his death during the war arc when he goes after Kabuto and Sasuke pursues him
@@TheWarmaker01So what was the point? He could've at least killed some Akatsuki members and kill himself that way.
This would've made it safer for Sasuke and the world in general.
@@She_namedme_DJdidn't itachi say that he even tried to manipulate him with the kotoamatsukami he even said dont say he was perfect he knows he fucked up but his only regret was telling sauske nothing
Fun fact: Itachi and Jiraiya were tied in the popularity poll.
Is that fun?
@@daltonbuchholz5061It’s an absolute rave
No they weren’t wtf. Minato was first. Itachi got second, Sakura got 3rd. Jiraiya wasn’t even top 10. Why lie?
@@henryriasco5857 you're talking about that poll on which character should get a spinoff. I'm talking about a much earlier character popularity poll.
Pretty sure Itachi keeping obito from attacking konoha and getting the 9 tails went alot further than you're giving it credit for. Obito flat out stated now that eye sore itachi is gone, konoha is no longer off limits. Nothing was keeping obito from walking in at any moment and grabbing Naruto aside from itachi being alive.
No Obito and Itachi made a deal. So Itachi death was contract void
@@godserena6059right but he waited YEARS based on what. A deal? He knew the consequences if he crossed itachi. He was a deceiver, a liar, a manipulator but he did not want to cross that man
@@huckleberrydew5079 Nope Obito made a deal with Itachi and he waited until that contract was voided. Until you give me precise manga chapter and page number that clearly states that he was terrified of Itachi I’m going to take the novel interpretation between the two relationships
@@godserena6059 so your saying a man that had no problem betraying anyone he wanted just suddenly became a man of his word? Seems a bit far fetched. That being said I don’t the he was ever terrified of itachi. I think it was more along the lines of obito knew he could beat itachi but it wouldn’t be without cost, and I don’t think obito wanted to pay the price.
@@godserena6059like the deal he made with madara that he never planned to fulfill
I would say the main reason no one else could be given the information because Itachi wanted the truth about him to stay secret especially from Sasuke. He didn’t even trust Obito to not tell Sasuke and tried to kill him. He wouldn’t want Jiraiya who is close to Naruto who is close to Sasuke to know the truth about the Uchiha.
Lol, so maybe he only ever gave any details to the third so when the third died all of his spy work died with him and because the third didn't tell anyone for some dumb reason Konoha was left totally unprepared as if they never even had a spy in the Akatsuki 😂
The thing is he could have just gave them information from while being anonymous. He doesnt have to say its him. He is a master of genjutsu he could figure out a way to to tell them without giving up its him. Doesnt even have to be anything about the Uchiha just give info on other members powers at least.
It's a huge plothole by Kishimoto tbh.
@@nearthe2nd Exactly 😂
He should and could have told Kakashi at least some. Kakashi kept Naruto’s secret, Itachi knew him well, and all he had to do was tell him while under a genjutsu
I wouldn't be surprised if Jiraiya knew that Itachi was a spy.
I’d assume he figured it out in the shippuden timeline
@@andrizzle5887itachi was never a spy kishi just put things in manga and anime to brainwash us if itachi was a spy hiruzen would know kakashi and others would know how to beat akatsuki members instead shikamaru and asuma had to learn about hiding when asuma was already cursed bad writing kishi on itachi as a spy
I would suspect that. The way he confronted Itachi in OG Naruto, I don't think that he knew that Itachi was even a half good guy.
@@joelramnarine, Sasuke said Itachi was crying that night near the beginning of the series.
@@Shark-hn4mv what series og naruto or shippuden
Imagine if Itachi secretly left Jiraiya a note saying that Pain was in the Rain village.
Wouldn’t really make that much of a difference
Lol Jiraiya would be like “what’s pain?”
Years of infiltration... one note. Yeah, itachi failed at everything
@@donovan4222 Oh a guy wit rinngeanan and girl named Konan, who loves origami? Totally does not remind me of some people I trained for 3 years.
I've always liked to believe that Itachi was controlling the woman under genjutsu to pass Jiraiya information. But, you would think a spy would be able to pass on information more than just that one time.
Nick.... This is my favorite video yet ... It really made me think about Itachi's actual role. These are all crazy fails in communication....WOW. still one of the best characters in the show
This is perfectly in character for Itachi though as he told Naruto, he tried to do everything himself so he probably didn't take the responsibility of informing Konoha of what he knows seriously.
Yeah, he was truly an idiot.
There is a good possibility that Obito might have had Sasuke's head over Itachi - To the point where he implanted amateratsu on Sasuke's eye, as a precaution
If konoha got information about akatsuki member's it would be extremely easy to deduce that Itachi, a Konoha's ex-member, would be the one to leak the information - And Sasuke's head is always on the pyke, since it was common knowledge that he kept his brother alive (Kisame knowledge) and broadly known about the Uchiha Massacre
This still makes him not a good spy, since he isn't able to relay any information and his ability to sabotage Akatsuki is also very limited.
But wait a minute, the akatsuki didn’t even really begin kidnapping jinchuriki until 3 years later when shippudden started so it’s actually smart and prudent of itachi to reveal that to Jiraiya before any of the jinchuriki had even been captured.
Kisame joined the Akatsuki because he valued loyalty to a degree that his village was too deeply corrupted to appreciate, and you mention here he was more loyal to Itachi than the Akatsuki as a whole... I bet if Itachi had been an effective spy and Kisame discovered him and confronted him about it, he'd have massive respect for Itachi's backstory and probably even help keep his secret.
Nah lol. Kisame would've fought him or told. He was almost certainly a [ineffective] stopgate for itachi being a double agent.
we cant say for sure tho
and akatsuki would be suspicious of itachi if they found kisame dead
The “Itachi is actually a ‘good’ guy” plot point feels more and more like a retcon with nearly every action Itachi takes.
He stopped the reanimation tho. Could’ve just sat and watch Nagato rape Naruto and killer bee. He gave Naruto the ultimate defense against sasuke and possibly Tobi too. Could’ve killed kakashi. Kakashi literally asks himself in the anime and manga as he lays on the ground after surviving tsukoyomi why doesn’t itachi just kill him now
@@dman5849He almost did kill Kakashi. Kakashi only survived because Tsunade was there. And for that last part is because he was evil and enjoyed doing evil things before he was retconed.
@@dman5849 I get that by the end of the series, he’s written to be “heroic,” I’m talking about how many things he did earlier on that make no sense with how we’re expected to believe he always was. Things like abducting the Three-Tails and torturing his kid brother.
@@MothsAudioandVideos I’m saying it makes no sense that he didn’t kill kakashi. It made no sense to kakashi himself. If he were truly evil he would’ve killed him asuma and kurenai. Asuma and kureani were literally standing there with their eyes closed. He was acting evil but wasn’t cold blooded at all
@@dman5849yea no cold blooded guy like itachi murders his whole clan you are right. Lol
Hirozen while dying: *reaches up and grabs Tsunade* "We have a little boy. He's very sick, and he can't write letters."
Tsunade leaning over him: *let's him back down* (under her breath) "Its so sad. He's delirious as he's dying."
According to my theory, Itachi was providing information to Hiruzen, who kept it to himself because he couldn't tell anybody else as Itachi is considered a criminal by the Hidden Leaf. Following his passing, Itachi considered it dangerous to relay information to someone he didn't trust. Itachi is also surprised with how kakashi got to know about the akutski and its objectives thus he wanted to take kakashi with him, I think he was avoid a situation like these where he will be regarded as a spy.
Bingo
your theory is so absurd that i dont even know where to begain 😷
1. "Itachi was providing information to Hiruzen, who kept it to himself because he couldn't tell anybody else as Itachi is considered a criminal by the Hidden Leaf."
why , why couldnt hiruzen tell inofrmation to anybody else ? what does this habe to do with itachi being a spy , i mean hiruzen is not getting any plagiarism warrants for not naming the shinobi who passed the info. to him , he a hokage he is absolutely not obliged to tell anyone who passed certain info. to him .
i mean i understand hiruzen is an extremely incompetent hokage but the thing with hiruzen is that he formed the council and he consults things with the council and that has nothing to do with his reluctance for taking action , i mean he shares matters of grave bulnerability like the uchiha situation w danzo even though danzo attempted to kill him, if hiruzen knew something about the aktauski definately the council would and the info. wouldve been passed to the next hokage i.e Tsunade and guess what ! - Jiraiya would be alive
2. " Itachi considered it dangerous to relay information to someone he didn't trust."
wtf but why though what is so dangerous about conveying information about aktauski i mean the worst a person can do about the "dangerous info." on aktauski mebers is to kill them (all the akautski meebers are S ranked criminals who have distrubed the shinobi system ) so what is so dangrous about informing anyone anything about the aktasuki , i dont think itachi knew anything about the akautsaki himsekf he is a pretty shit spy nothing compared to kabuto i mean we got. a glimpse of how shit a spy he was when he almost blows his cover of being a double agent BY HIMSELF when the uchiha cops come to interrogate him , the only spyign business he had done succesful prior is the uchiha one (in which he probably would have gotten first hand seats to council meetings since his father was a chief and as the heri to clan not to mention the uchiha had a goodwill for itachi and trusted him the uchiha granny calling him "the pride of the clan".
4. "Itachi is also surprised with how kakashi got to know about the akutski and its objectives thus he wanted to take kakashi with him, I think he was avoid a situation like these where he will be regarded as a spy."
yeah and asked kisame to "finish off" the rest 2 jonin😬who thanks to gai survived , but anyways i dont get the big deal w him wanting to take kakashi w him and what does that have to do w him not wanted to be regarded as a spy i mean say he takes kakahshi as a hostage of sorts what does that have to do w his level as a spy or reluctance of people finding out he is one . i mean kakshi unlikely knows that itachi is behind this its evident in the manner he talks and heck he is even playing his speculation game-he asks itachi if he has come for sasuke ? but then its he is the who says hes after the legacy of the 4th hokage
I mean... if people receiving information from spies couldn't tell anybody because their spies are "bad people", well... there's no reason to have spies in the first place. The point of a spy is to lie and hide their true identity to transfer information, they HAVE to keep their identity a secret - so of course Hiruzen wouldn't tell anyone the identity of his spy.
I talked about this before. I think he had no real way to do more than he did. After joining the Akatsuki, he probably didnt expect how isolated from his only allies he would be. Obito knew everything about him and his intentions and danzo was still probably so adamant about using anything he could against Itachi. It's not like he could free roam very much and it didnt help that he had to be in a two man team at all times, so he had very few ways to do anything without being outed. I dont think he knew how difficult it would be. On top of this, itachi may have just recently recieved this info about the plan for the Akatsuki in full and before this, they were still just doing jobs for money and status. He may have told hiruzen everything he could about the Akatsuki, but mostly it was just the mercenary work, so it may not have been that bad at first and hiruzen may nit have thought much of it until maybe a few months before he died. I dont know. Just spit balling.
I''d like to imagine at the very start of Itachi & Kisame being on the same team etc, they had no trust.
But, after really diving into Kisame's character, I always thought he really didn't belong with them. I mean, sure, at the very beginning, yes. Just rogue ninja's doing mercenary work, and posing as a threat to the villages etc etc., but when the plans were fully revealed about capturing the Bijuu and stuff like that, I could imagine he was just there because well... there was really no place for him.
So with this thinking, in my own headcanon (because we see how loyal he is with Itachi and how close they really were), he was probably the only person that Itachi could truly relay anything to.
Honestly wish this was true though, lol. Imagine. Like, Kisame could just send sharks to relay intel etc.
@@ryanbarber6481 well kisame was Itachi's partner to observe him and kill him in case he betried them. Kisame was loyal to Obito and it was Obito who recruited kisame. Ofc I believe he considers himself Itachi's friend. Nevertheless still his mission was to observe Itachi.
@@adamkowalski6061I think so. Your Mission is more Important than Your Comrades. So, He wouldn't be hesitating to kill Itachi. Also, the fact that Obito never trusted Itachi and had his eye over him, does explain his inability to leak Infos.
@@FactClipZ its revealed in the Manga that Kisame does indeed value mission priority over comrades, in a flashback, Kisame when he was still a Mist Ninja did in fact kill his entire team off before Leaf shinobi caught up to them in a battle the Leaf and Mist were in, and also, Kisame technically wasn't a Rogue Shinobi, since he viewed Obito as the Mizukage of the Mist
This would be true if Itachi didn't have his Tsukuyomi, he can use that to relay any info he wants to his target and since he can fully control everything there no one could suspect him of anything.
Itachi did not know that Jiraiya was gonna go to the Rain Village.
Really that changes little over what he should have still been saying. Someone was almost certainly going to the Rain at some point
Jiraya would not have needed to go to the rain or he would have gone with plenty of info if Itachi did his job.
I wouldn't say Itachi was reporting to Danzo, I'd say Danzo was intercepting the reports from Itachi. I think you even mentioned that in another video, giving precedence, for Danzo hiding information meant for Hiruzen.
This 100%
And Hiruzen was gullible enough to not question it.
Itachi is that stupid?
Damn that danzo!! Lol
@@Pain-106 Are you asking me or the guy who did a 30 minute video saying Itachi is stupid?
@@kluv5052 😅
Man your videos make my day every day I can wait for you videos they pulled me out of my depression
His ‘awful spy-work’ is explained in such a manner : he relayed info only to Hiruzen , whom might’ve informed Danzo. The latter would’ve been thrilled by Akatsuki’s plan since it would mean other nations’ Jinchuriki being neutralized whilst their being left out for last and even then Konoha could just give Naruto away without risking a conflict ; and the former kept all that he knows for himself regardless of the information’s fashion.
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Juraiya was getting a lot of intelligence on the akatsuki maybe itachi was the one providing all that Intel.
nO
Pretty sure Itachi mentioned how he tried to basically shoulder everything himself and how that was a mistake. Also, can't really pretend the Leaf is all that competent in dealing with major issues going off Naruto's childhood.
my theory is Itachi just choose the most unreliable crow to deliver the message, and the crow just buried it somewhere and pretended to deliver it so they could just take a nap. Casting illusions for him constantly in battle is rough 😂
you mean the crow casts illusions for him constantly?
That genjutsu didn't have a ten year cooldown it was just the crow slacking.
I always subscribed to Itachi not being a good guy spy and just using that as an excuse to get out of the village without being chased down by Hiruzen and the Anbu, and actually only caring about Sasuke and literally nobody else from the leaf. He didn't share any information because he hated what the leaf became. He executed his missions for the Akatsuki because he wanted to be cast under infinite tsukiomi, he just wanted to protect his brother and see his brother become stronger than him more than that, so he did stuff for his brother and didn't care what risk that'd leave the rest of Konoha at. He wanted his brother to be safe and strong, and he wanted to otherwise fulfill his missions as an Akatsuki member
I laughed so hard at Hiruzen telling Tsunade about Itachi on his death bed
I love how you think out the box, on you're content. Best you tuber on naruto.
Itachi was supposed to report to Hiruzen not only because he was the Hokage but because he trusted him. I assume he doesn't want to report to others without knowing their true colors. He also might have given information to Hiruzen but Hiruzen didn't tell anybody because he died before the Akatsuki was a problem to konoha. Giving information about the Akatsuki to Jonins would make the Akatsuki realize they have a spy and that would obviously be Itachi. Also, why would he sabotage the Akatsuki? If he didn't do his part he would get jumped by Nagato and Obito
If Itachi had enough leverage to say that Jiraya is too much for his team, why it wouldn't work for spying? Just say hey its Jiraya, the legendary sanin, he has his ways of spying.
@@8ferarry8 What would those ways be? You need to have a mole and both Nagato and Obito aren't stupid, they would do 1+1=2=Itachi
Hiruzen would've told pervy sage tho
@@will_1470 I'm not Hiruzen so I don't know if he did or not. Either way Jiraya lost to Nagato and I don't think Itachi knew how the six paths worked, at least we never saw him with anyone other than the Deva path, both in canon and filler and other than Nagato and Itachi he fought Konan and Kisame and he obviously knew konan's attacks. Regarding Kisame he seemed pretty confident of his own ability and nothing caught him of guard. I don't know if that happened because he had that information already or because he was just stronger than Kisame so he didn't even need to worry about him
@@priestmarmore6750are you stupid or you didnt watch the video??!?! You tell thar to TSUNANDE, THE HOKAGE, i think 1+1=2= tsunande WANTS TO PEOTECT THE VILLAGE. ITACHI COULD HAVE SAID IT TO HER, she could have condirmed it and told jiraya. And then they can tell TRUST WORTYY SHINOBIS, WHY WOULD NAGATO AND OBITO EVEN SUPECT ITACHI?!?! NOTHING WOULD BE ABLE TO PIN POINT TO ITACHI BEING A SPY.
This man could convince me to sell my soul to raid shadow legends
To be fair, the partner system is a decent anti spy policy. And we see in the show that pairs going off and doing their own thing is fairly rare. Kisame would most likely find out if Itachi was writing letters and sending em off. The method of relaying orders through the Akatski is done via Jutsu. And itachi is supposed to be a super edgy cold clan killer with no family left besides Sauske. So who would he be writing letters to? Kisame would likely report this or confront Itachi directly. Both Scenario's would likely end with Itachi being considered a traitor. Even if he did hide it or Kisame didn't care. Obito would pretty quickly put together that the leaf is the only village that somehow has Akatski intel. Wonder who's Responsible for that?
Problem is obito wasn’t capable of just outright killing Itachi . Obito was well aware Itachi was a spy
Obito with help will end itachi though. Itachi was either sick or on mission, the whole time. He is evil via complacency.
What's really crazy is that he could've used Tsukiyomi to pass information.
He controls the time in his genjutsu, he couldve told Kakashi everything when he was stabbing him.
You give the guy who wrote the Naruto franchise way too much credit for clearly planning all of that out. Some of the village plans looked sewn together at the last second while others seemed to be based on how different events occurred which is why the story has so many weird storylines. If Itachi was only supposed to answer to Hiruzen then there would be no reason to report to the others after that hokage died.
Yeah, the whole "Itachi making his younger brother relive the most traumatic day of his life for 48 hours" thing is why I try to keep telling people that, no matter what excuses you try to give him, the man was NOT a good older brother. And yet, I've seen people try to claim he's a better brother than people like Edward Elric or Tanjiro.
These people are absolutely insane. Or they need family counseling.
Theory time, Itachi acts strangely because he was under Kotoamatsukami to "protect Konowa" the same way he programed the eye to do to Sasuke. This would explain his crazy level of self sacrifice for most of his life that doesnt seem to make rational sense. Also explained why he didnt just use Kotoamatsukami to deal with the Coup. Performing sabotage vs every other village would fit "protect Konowa" programming. Also more crazy idea the women who he uses to "seduce" Jiraiya had all the information to tell Jiraiya just Jiraiya knocked her out because she was under genjutsu and didnt listen to the info hence the Oh shit he might actually kill us running away.
When you were talking about being a designated hitter for the boston red sox....I was thinking about something entirely different...😅
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omg that point with jiraiya and nagato hit hard
This just confirms to me what I had suspected all along, that Itachi was suppposed to be full-on evil from the start, but Kishimoto changed his mind mid-Shippuden.
where tf was he retconned a retcon would be perhaps stating that itachi didn't commit the crimes or is extremely broken from the sins he has commited or something like that . but itachi remains a comically bad person to the end the guy killed Uchiha oldies and babies alike has "no regrets" and says that the fate was deserved until the uchiha didnt "change" - and how 8 y/o sasuke couldve changed them?
he does say he is a failure - and thats because he is
but the "failure" is about him not being able to turn sasuke into a konoha bootlicker , he says "you ended up a terrorist"
i mean for a second lets assume that itachi actually didnt regret killing uchiha babies but alteast had a soft spot for sasuke how tf could he not regret torturing his baby brother to the point where he goes into coma (at ages 8 and 13 ) and inflicting so puch pain on him , or think of brainwashing him.
gosh i hate his retconning BS soooo much its so infuriating to see wankers' worhsip the ground itachi walks on and then when itachi comes out as incosistent from their POV they start blaming the author who created the charehcter himself !!
@@rishisaaptacha well i think i said that all of the parts of his story make sense , and didnt comment on liking or disliking the charechter . this person says itachi was "full on evil" but then retconned i say he was "never retconned " he still the same bs he did but just w the villages approval this time. (goes to show how shitty the village is along with some shadow on the villages' shitness by naagato just prior to this )
You make a lot of good points. Kishimoto just slapped the word "spy" on Itachi and we all just accepted the obvious retcon without realizing that it made little to no sense.
When it comes to Naruto's plot it's best not to think about it too hard I realized xD
For example: the whole Uchiha massacre. Itachi is still somehow shown as the tragic good guy at the end of it. The second Hokage, who's philosophy was the root cause of it, and Danzo's philosophical predecessor, still shown as a good guy.
What if itachi was sending intel but it was being intercepted by Danzo and his goons out of fear that the hokage and others will look into why itachi is helping
I think Nick may be the one stuck in a Genjutsu
I always thought the itachi stuff in part 2 was fan service. I figured because of his popularity part way through part 2 he changed itachis roll and literally forgot what he wrote previously. It’s like a lot of other things he did in the manga. He just changed his mind on what he wanted and just went in a completely different direction and didn’t care if it contradicted anything before it
“He wasn’t criminally insane he was actually just method acting” is such a fucking stupid idea. If itachi decided to kill Danzo not only would there be less trouble for Naruto later but it would also increase his reputation with the Akatsuki
Enjoy your content Nick. Keeping doing you🙌
Both Jiraiya and Itachi got a lot more screentime than Tenten.
It turns out that Itachi sent detailed letters regularly, he just had terrible handwriting and Hiruzen felt awkward about mentioning it after the whole Uchiha Massacre thing.
He only wrote about Akatsukis fashion sense.
NO HE WAS NOT
YES HE WAS
Why I love nicks videos is he says itachi’s one of his favorite characters but keeps it real and doesn’t jump on the he’s perfect bandwagon
My theory is that Itachi was the spy in akatsuki Juriya refers to, and either Jiriya never knew his spy's identity has this connection was made to him by Hiruzen. And the reason for the lack of info was partially Jiriya's fault. When Jiriya was discovered roaming the village by some Jounin, it was mentioned to him that "lord third has been trying to locate you" or get ahold of him, something to that effect, and Jiriya was avoiding meeting the third for reasons... Jiriya was hyper focused on Orochimaru and only returned to the village because he was there.
From that perspective many theories could come up, like hiruzen may have been aware he was approaching the end of his life and wanted to make him the next hokage candidate. And with that reveal to Jiriya his network of spys as the hokage. And maybe information hes received as hokage that he has yet to release as it was on a need to know basis.
Or another possibility is Jiriya did onow itachi was a spy, and that was the reason he tried to capture them, or at least made it seem like he was attempting to, as he still needed itachi to maintain his post. I dony know, maybe when i have time i will type out this elaborate theory on the reasons for the apparent lack of information, and the seemingly abundant info released about itachi to other villages that seem farfetched for a kid who let the village in his early to mid teens
Nah it's Kishi's fault for being hyperbiased in favor of Uchihas. I bet he just made those up as he writes the story causing a lot of loopholes.
Thank you, Nick! Thank you! I've been debating this point to my boys for the longest while.
I have a weird theory, probably not possible. We know that Hiruzen was VERY sad about the massacre happening in the first place almost right under his nose, and we know he felt guilty that Danzo made Itachi do it. What if Hiruzen, in all his emotionally charged thinking, told Itachi not to report to the village so Itachi wouldn't have to be reminded of that night... Which is countered easily by simply sending letters instead of reporting in person, but it seems like spies in the Naruto verse tend to approach reporting as making a physical appearance.
I mean it's a plot hole regardless. Itachi basically didn't do anything until the war, besides cause problems. He literally would have been better off just abandoning the lead with Sasuke than what he chose.
@@jacobhayes8324 a guy already wrote this. People forget Itachi was always in a 2 Man team so never alone to leak info. If they received knews probably Zetsu and Obito would go for Sasuke... and on the other hand his presence at the ataktsuki alone prevented Konoha from being attacked
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Remember. Itachi and Kisame fled from Jiraiya, not because they were scared. It was because Jiraiya wasn't ready for the smoke Itachi and Kisame was packing.
A thought occurred to me. Itachi could have relayed information to Kakashi when he used the Tsukiyomi. Untraceable, and with a high time ratio to the outside world.
would have been smart. Didn't happen.
@@8ferarry8 yeah exactly, "could have" means he chose NOT to do that. Itachi really is a bad spy.
u guys are wrong here,he couldn't have risked the truth being found out
@@xxxtimeghostxxx how would it? If the information is given under Tsukiyomi, it’s Undetectable, and he could still torture Kakashi to make it seem believable to Kisame.
Itachi had the perfect opportunity to hand over information without compromising his cover and he didn't take it.
what if kakashi told somebody itachi didn't trust,what if somebody interrogated kakashi and got it out
Today is my birthday, and Itachi is my favorite Naruto character. Thanks for the accidental gift Nick!
Well... Itachi was retconned. In Naruto, Itachi was a bad guy. In Shippuden, he was retconned to be a more nuanced and sympathetic character. Kishimoto didn't originally intend on making Itachi a spy for Konoha.
Wait Jiraiya wasn't surprised when Konan had the dance of the shikigami, he saw it back when she was a child and he was raising them in the rain village. They had a whole sparring match and she threw paper shurikens at him
IMO the main reason is if the leaf village specifically knew too much about members & abilities, the newest member that happens to share a village with the only other shinobi that betrayed you would’ve been extremely suspicious.
Even if it lead to the death of whatever duo the leaf came across it’s not far fetched that obito or BZ would’ve been watching battles and able to sus it out
Itachi was able to retreat without battle against Jiraya duo to his legendary status, just play on that, hey its a legendary sanin spying, no wonder he knows stuff...
Absolute facts, I can’t understand how so many can say that Itachi did his best when he so very much did.
Hell, Kakazu was a better asset against the Akatsuki since at least he killed a partner!
Itachi even has the perfect backstabbing kit. Genjutsu and Amaturasu, he could so easily have killed any partner or teammate even without Zetsu knowing!
Like when he recruited Deidara: He could and should have used genjutsu to make sure he was the only one making it out
For a guy who looks eerily similar to Daniel Radcliffe (Harry Potter), I find it interesting that you’ve never watched a full movie
I think this is more of a kishimoto being kinda bad at continuity and less about the fact that itachi was a bad spy lol.
I think this is solid evidence that Itach was written to be evil, but was eventually changed because he was so well liked.
I would say that this theory hinges on that Kisame wouldn’t report to Konan or Nagato the minute Itachi wrote a report to send.
Though he said he’s loyal to Itachi, that’s what you would want someone to think if you were spying on them
Kisame known for killing his comrades for sake of the mission. no doubt he would have turned against Itachi, even if he would not have liked it
3:15 I just remembered something... he can give info through genjutsu 😂
He could have given information to idk *Kakashi* and ex-Ambu member who probably had a lot of experience with that kind of work, and keeping secrets, acting, etc.
I usually put on your videos to listen to in the background and iv never noticed your tattoos before fuckin nice tats bro
Ngl Nick getting so fucking mad during this video was mad entertaining😂😂😂but the video itself was really good frfr
Itachi cared more about sasuke than he did the village. obito told us that and itachi did once revivied. if he was busted leaking intel, hed defeinitely have to fight the akatsuki. and he cant go back to hidden leaf, but he and obito had an unwritten agreement of itachi can do what he wants as long as he doesnt hurt the akatsuki and in return itachi will be allowed to watch over sasuke from the shadows til their fight (While having extra protection with the akatsuki members).
I think it makes sense when you consider white zestsu I don’t think itachi knew about him when he said he was gonna be a spy, and he does present quote the obstacle for giving information to others, he could pop up at any time
Thank you! This video goes over exactly the part of Naruto that has bugged me the most!! Itachi as an inside man seemed completely pointless since he really did nothing helpful it that role yet no one every brings that up!
Itachi probably cannot even send a single message since the rest of the akatsuki might caught him. Also, Tobi knows from the beginning that he is a spy and wont be hard to tell who is the spy.
I believe that kishi originally wrote Itachi to be evil but pivoted later into the story
With the amount of ways to obtain information
Hiruzen being the only one to know would've been more vital then having a Sanin need to Know of a additional spy
If he indeed never truly figured it out
Itachi was a loyal Akatski member that greatly contributed to the organization. He did absolutely zero spying for konoha. On the contrary he gives pain and konan intel on konoha’s barriers. Also jiraiya’s and asuma’s deaths can arguably be blamed on itachi.
“Squid ink spaghetti man” is just crazy😂😂
I believe that itachi being a spy in the Akatsuki was something Kishimoto came up with half way in shippuden
The tricky think about spying on a guy who can teleport anywhere without a trace and is your biggest threat and runs the criminal empire that could level all the villages, is that he is strong and if he ever catches you passing notes, will crush you
PERFECT TIMING I literally got done with the jiriya fight and Itachi fights
Well he wasn't surprised to see nagato when he was revived so he must have known something about him maybe he did send jiriya to the hidden rain
My assumption was that itachi didnt want to blow his cover until he understood the real plan. He knew about the 10 tails and members, but not what it would be used for. He knew white zetsu was watching everything and needed a valid reason to blow cover. Revealing members and powers wasnt goid enough. Keep in mind, 'tobi' pretended to be madara in the village, so it was multiple covers deep, zetsu was near invisible and could be anyhere, and pain was a puppet but maybe could see nagato. Deep cover is different than spy work.
This actually makes sense.
@@dirisiri1267itachi didnt want to blow his cover because he wish he was evil didnt want to be sick fight someone and make all of us happy
i think the main reason itachi didn’t tell anyone these things is because he couldn’t. the members of the akatsuki aren’t stupid, if every jonin they fought ONLY from the leaf village knew their abilities, motives, and wants they would start to think a spy is in the midst. however he probably could have told jiraiya, and had jiraiya tell no one else.
Hidan is stupid but the others especially Pain and Obito would've caught on
Then what was the point of Itachi being a spy in the first place if they were "too smart."
If it was Itachi's plan to die anyway, he could've taken a few members down with him.
Obito literally called him a pain, they already hated that mother fucker
@@She_namedme_DJhe wanted to get killed by sasuke
@kapplq8271 That literally accomplished nothing.
Not only that, it was a selfish decision. It did nothing to make Konoha safer.
He wanted to die by Sasuke's hands so that Sasuke would be seen as a hero. But he never counted on Sasuke finding out the truth, and he continued being a terrorist.
Itachi graduated so early from ninja academy that he never learned to write
Bro your sarcasm is so hilarious 😂
So regarding the rumormill about Jinchuriki vanishing, I don't believe the villages were sharing the info that they lost their Jinchuriki because they are in fact nukes used to either aid in war or prevent them.
For example, two countries never fought against each other because the walking bombs kept each other in line due to the possible loss of mass death, then all of a sudden one country finds out that the other lost their walking bomb, what's to stop that country from immediately invading.
The loss of the a village's jinchuriki would be highly classified info until it absolutely had to be known by all (like in the 5 kage summit).
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Preach Nick preach I have been saying this since I seen the show years ago😂
If Koshimoto did change his mind from originally having Itachi being evil he had changed it at least as early as the Kazekage Rescue mission arc back at the beginning of Shippuden. There’s a scene where Naruto uses his upgraded Rasengan against Itachi and Itachi smiles at Naruto’s performance. He’s literally proud at how far Naruto has come. He must have been watching Naruto and Sasuke for a long time because Itachi seems to have a bond with Naruto. Every time they meet he looks at Naruto as a younger brother. It is actually very touching. But Itachi is a hard MF. I mean he slaughtered his family, good or evil. So he’s not going to hold back in going against his hidden allies, even if he hurts them. Because he wants to push them to greatness. And that takes going up against strength. But now knowing who Itachi is it really is amazing to see how he cares for Naruto. It’s one of my favorite parts of this entire series. I recently watched Edo Tensi Itachi team up with Naruto to face down Edo Tensi Nagato. In that scene Itachi gives Naruto so much advice. He saves Naruto numerous times. He really shows his love for Naruto in that scene. It’s amazing because at that point they both share a bond with Sasuke and Naruto inherits Itachi’s will in saving Sasuke. He even says, “I’ll leave Sasuke to you” to Naruto. I could go on about this forever because to see this bond that’s been formed from a distance is amazing. So in scenes like the Kazekage Rescue arc where Itachi smiles at Naruto’s growth is just about the best thing ever. It has literally made my day.
nice red socks drop, i literally laughed quite a few times from this video lol thank you
They say lying to yourself is the greatest deception to who you are.
I've been saying he was just an Akatsuki member for literal years. I'm vindicated
The actual reason: Plot. The reason he doesn’t write letters is the same reason vegito never gets any wins plot stops them. Like you said if Itachi tells them the abilities a bunch of people live and that doesn’t make a good story.
Good job. This is a really solid plot hole.
I'd say he kind of explained it when he was talking to Naruto.
"No matter how strong you become, don't try to shoulder everything by yourself. If you do that, you will surely fail. I tried to do everything myself... and failed."