Mormonism vs. Christianity: Do You Know the Difference? (Ep. 124)
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- Do you know who are you following on social media? There's a growing trend of Mormon influencers on many platforms - especially Instagram. Their family values, conservative dress and love for family is inspiring. Many people might actually think the Church of Latter Day Saints is a different denomination of Christianity because they believe in Jesus. But sometimes we see people that seem to have similar values and beliefs only to find out their backgrounds are actually much different than what meets the eye.
Today, J. Warner Wallace joins me to discuss his experience with the Mormonism and, as he says, how he “became a Christian at the same time he became not-Mormon.” At a time when so many are looking for fulfillment in their lives, it’s easy to be deceived into believing what’s false. J. Warner Wallace encourages us to look at everything from an investigative viewpoint to discover what’s actually true, and to know the distinct differences between Christianity and Mormonism.
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By their fruit you shall know a true follower of Christ I'm a Mormon and I know my savior is Jesus Christ.
The Jesus you were taught is not the biblical Jesus that is taught in Christian Churches. I know because I was a Mormon for decades but found real Christianity. Seek out videos of Mormons who left the LDS Church and are Christians now. Listen to their stories. They love the Mormon people.
@debsnyder8437 you were never a Mormon. Jesus from the new testament is the Jesus of the church of Jesus christ of Latter Day Saints.
@@sherigraham3873 The Jesus in the New Testament was never brothers with Satan in a pre-existence. He never lived on Kolob. You can’t find that in the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible was eternal , without beginning or end. Your Mormon Jesus was a created being that was made by a Heavenly Father and mother. Your Heavenly Father is not the God of the Bible either. The God of the Bible was eternal without begin in or end. Your God the father was once a man. The Mormon so called prophets made it up. I could go on and on. It’s was very rude of you to call me a liar. I grew up going to Primary and Church every week. I was the first person baptized in our new church building. I wasted decades of my life believing in those false teachings. You need to learn the “differences” between Mormonism and Christianity like the thousands of other ex- Mormons who found the biblical Jesus.
Me too.
Turing this off in the first 3 minutes... He isn't prepared, nor has he done his homework relative to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...
Why do you state that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are not Christian?
@lesgraham7722.
The more their history and "doctrine" are exposed (uncovered) the more it DECLARES and PROVES ITSELF not just blasphemy, but also the most perfidious
HERESY.
It is a politically intentioned THEOCRACY, holding - from
its beginnings -
intentions,
aspirations,
and immense fortunes by which to attain to RULING this country, for it is their claim that America is
THEIR MANIFEST DESTINY!
One does not learn this when one first becomes much too quickly baptized. It takes YEARS to realize IT IS NOT WHAT it presents itself to be.
AND. THE. LAST THING IT IS
is Christian. In ANY way.
B. E. W. A. R. E.
And pay attention to the sub-texts of EVERY politician, government official,
especially government
AGENCY,
and real estate concerns.
Q 20 I guess you believes that Jesus will force man to heaven?
“under Christianity Jesus doesn't give you a ladder he drops down on a rope and while you're kicking and screaming he pulls you up anyway that is the grace that's offered under Christianity”
That’s what satan would do. Jesus knocks at the door, we turn the handle and let him in. Jesus will force no man to heaven, we accept his free gift. Force is not a gift.
Q 10 Are witnesses evidence of the plates, or do you just ignore them when it suits you?
What about lots of records found on plates since then, or do you think Joseph Smith plant those around the world?
“so we don't have any evidence of the Golden Plates”
Just to let you know we do believe we are saved, only through the Grace of Jesus. We also believe we are changed by him. That change in us is how we become like him. As we keep his commandments we become more like him until he makes us Joint Heirs with him. A concept you do not understand. This is his blessing upon us to bring us into the presence of the Father.
Ironically, you just made the exact prayer the hypocrites made in the book of Mormon, word by word. Read it here: Alma 31:15-19
15 Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, and we believe that thou art holy, and that thou wast a spirit, and that thou art a spirit, and that thou wilt be a spirit forever.
16 Holy God, we believe that thou hast separated us from our brethren; and we do not believe in the tradition of our brethren, which was handed down to them by the childishness of their fathers; but we believe that thou hast elected us to be thy holy children; and also thou hast made it known unto us that there shall be no Christ.
17 But thou art the same yesterday, today, and forever; and thou hast elected us that we shall be saved, whilst all around us are elected to be cast by thy wrath down to hell; for the which holiness, O God, we thank thee; and we also thank thee that thou hast elected us, that we may not be led away after the foolish traditions of our brethren, which doth bind them down to a belief of Christ, which doth lead their hearts to wander far from thee, our God. 18 And again we thank thee, O God, that we are a chosen and a holy people. Amen. 19 Now it came to pass that after Alma and his brethren and his sons had heard these prayers, they were astonished beyond all measure.
I find it interesting that a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints isn't a part of this conversation. If I want to "be ready to give an answer," I might engage with a member of that church. I believe this whole conversation would be a lot more unbiased, genuine, and fair if the "person" you were speaking about was present. It's not like they wouldn't be willing, as you say. For example, if I want to understand a Republican, I don't think a Democrat would be the best resource. If I wanted to understand a woman, I wouldn't interview a man. This guest isn't a member of their church. He claims all sorts of things that require us to trust his words and discount an entire religion. I believe going to the source is wisest. It's fine for you both as family friends having a chat, but your intent is to dissuade other Christians from listening to members of the Mormon faith and to arm them with responses to potential conversations. Wouldn't it be more affirming to seek more knowledge and conviction of one's own faith by study and prayer rather than to speculate and cast judgement on others' beliefs? If someone truly is kindly curious about another's beliefs, why not ask them, not their foe? Are we seeking truth or simply trying to feel comfortable about what we ourselves believe? Food for thought.
Exactly, well said. Whenever evangelicals make these videos on Mormonism, I NEVER see them being an actual Latter-day Saint on.
The Mormon religion was what was being spoken about, a person was NOT spoken about.
@@michellegarside6301 Okay, but when speaking on a subject, don’t you think it’s wise to consult the people who are directly involved with, and are much more expert on, the subject? And who wouldn’t have any motivation to lie about or misrepresent their own beliefs?
It’s called getting your news straight from the horse’s mouth, it’s a pretty common sense principle.
@@KnuttyEntertainment
By including a Mormon in their conversation will not help their conversation in fact I think it will hinder the conversation and prevent the the reason for the conversation in the first place, making Christian listeners aware of the huge differences between Christianity and Mormonism and also to make Christians listeners aware of the false beliefs Mormons have.
@@michellegarside6301 Except they misrepresent Latter-day beliefs in this video. People will watch this and go up to Latter-day Saints and say “you’re not Christians, you’re way out of line with Christianity and believe X, Y, and Z false teaching.”
And then the Latter-day Saint will just respond “What? Where did you hear that? I don’t believe any of that.”
It’s a standard straw man fallacy that helps no one. If they brought an actual Latter-day Saint on to explain and steel man their position, then you could actually have a productive discussion responding to the best the other side has to offer.
Another Lie Spotted. We are not Polytheists and don't believe there is more than one God in the sense of God the Father, but there are three God's in the sense of God the father, his Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost, and there are gods in the sense of there are many gods in this world.
Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, ... And all of you are sons of the Most High
But come to think if it, the temptation was that if Adam and Eve partook of the forbidden fruit, they'd be as God knowing good from Evil (Genesis 3:5), so did they partake of thr fruit? YES. Did they become like God? Yes (Genesis 3:22)
I will continue to refute every lie you tell here.
You don’t know the Bible then. Its truth is given when you believe and have the Holy Spirit, which opens your eyes to the truth within the Bible. Matthew 7:14 tells us that “narrow is the gate and difficult is the way that leads to life, and there are few who find it.” Paul also told us in Galatians 1:9 “As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.” Pretty strong words. I believe them.✝️🕊️🙏🏼
@@jsshay01 So using the Old testament to show you truths and point out lies is "preaching another gospel" while you didn't care to use the same scriptures to correct, reproof, or instruct me (2 Timothy 3:16). Now, between me and you, who is preaching another gospel. I that used the Bible, or you that didn't.
The truth is that the Bible does not support a single point of your Nicean/athanacian creeds that you've built your faith on. Yet, I am the one preaching false gospel.
Let God be the final judge.
You do know their beliefs on racism?
@@jsshay01 Can you interpret exactly what Paul meant in Galatians regarding 'another gospel'? I'm genuinely not looking to catch you but I don't we have the exact context, meaning, audience, etc. that Paul stated this in. Also, The LDS church seeks to promote love in this world (John 13:34-35) and to improve other people's lives (Matthew 34:31-46). These are the hallmarks of a Christian. To love God, family, others and to seek for a better world. The LDS church strives for this. These are His words.
Q2 Are you saying by their fruits ye shall know them? = It's their Central Family Values their conservative dress their love for family is very inspiring and something to even strive for.
Q19 Are you confusing two different Qs?
“When we say heaven we're thinking about being in the presence of Jesus the minute we close our eyes.”
I would say that you are going to get your wish. You will be with Jesus as a Protestant good Christian. If you really understood our doctrine, you would know that. You have demonstrated that you do not know the doctrine as much as you think that you do.
Relying on the arm of flesh to understand the “truth” will never lead to eternal life.
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These kinds of discussions are more accurately described as Mormonism versus the creeds that popped up post-Christ's resurrection.
The reason every term you use or the larger Christiandom uses is different from what it means for Latter Day Saints, like Salvation, Jesus, Faith, Grace, or even Church is becaue your own explanation has been watered down in the Ecumenical councils and the demonic creeds that followed.
We should be explaning these terms with the scriptures but you think the Bible supports your explanation, but no, it does not.
@The_Man_Chidi.
The LOST child.
Easy words @@sheliabryant3997
Have you read that by their fruits ye shall know them? - Their family values, conservative dress and love for family is inspiring.
you cant just look at the good fruits, does the LDS church have bad fruits? Yes, they absolutely do. Have you ever read "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit" We have dozens and dozens of examples of the LDS church being dishonest and corrupt. If you know your church history there is no denying this.
@@jessea2871 Who compiles that history? People who hate the church and those who have fallen away and have an axe to grind against it. Would you go to a Chevy dealership to find out what is good about a Ford car?
@@michaelnicholas5587 The people who I have learned church history from, the full story, are the brave ones who sacrificed so much as they went outside the church to find it. For example, before 2014 not too many people knew there are several first vision accounts. Joseph Fielding Smith tore Joseph Smiths first writing of the first vision out of Josephs journal and hid it away in his safe. Why? because its seriously contradicts the story told by the church. Him doing that is very dishonest, trying to hid the truth, and as we all know, the devil is the father of all lies. Thanks to the internet (and the Tanners), the church could no longer hid this information and thats the inception of the Gospel Topic Essays. The church knew all along but only recently has disclosed this info. People who "hate the church and have an axe to grind" knew Joseph Smith married girls as young as 14 and told people about it. were they lying? if you heard that before 2014 you would say yes they are, thats anti mormon crap. Come to find out, its true, confirmed by the church via Gospel Topic Essays. I could go on and on, Michael. The church has been seriously dishonest about its history and need to be held accountable for it. To use your analogy, if you go to a Ford dealership wondering whats wrong with the new model F-150 and they said nothing is wrong with it, its perfect, would you believe them?
@@jessea2871according to that, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is neither a good, nor corrupt tree because apparently it has both good and bad fruits. So what does that mean?
@@jGeothro That means the church is just like any other organization, having the ability to do both good and bad, therefore nothing special and definitely not what the leaders of the church claim it to be. Whats unique about the church isnt good and whats good about the church isnt unique.
"It is it is not for us to judge who, in the deepest sense, is or is not close to the spirit of Christ. We do not see into men's hearts. We cannot judge, and are indeed forbidden to judge. It would be wicked arrogance for us to say that any man is, or is not, a Christian in this refined sense... When a man who accepts the Christian doctrine lives unworthy of it, it is much clearer to say he is a bad Christian than to say he is not a christian." - C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity, pp. 10-11.
Q17 Who says we don't believe that polygamy is ordained by God? There were a few OT followers of God who were polygamists, Abraham being the most famous I guess.
The notion that “God is not really like us is evidence that...Christians have appropriated Plato...Take away Plato from Christianity, and...you will end up with something very much
like the Mormon conception of the divine.” Stephen H Webb.
Very true.
The LDS church seeks to promote love in this world (John 13:34-35) and to improve other people's lives (Matthew 34:31-46). These are the hallmarks of a Christian. To love God, family, others and to seek for a better world. The LDS church strives for this. These are His words.
Do your Jesus and apostles teach that baptism is necessary for salvation in the Kingdom of God? 13 New Testament verses that either directly state that baptism is essential for salvation or indirectly point that it is. Mine do.
Do your Jesus and apostles teach that you need to obey commandments if you want to be with them? I find 12 New Testament verses (there may be more), that indicate that you do. Mine teach these things.
If your church doesn't even teach proper doctrine, and I know you don't, who are you to tell someone they are not Christian.
Fortunately for you, by the grace of Heavenly Father and His beloved Son, Jesus Christ, who was sacrificed and resurrected so that ALL will be resurrected (the just and unjust), you will have some degree of glory in the life to come. What do you think we are doing here? If the gospel was just believe and be saved, the Bible could be condensed to a 2-page pamphlet. There is so much more to the gospel than you give credence to and you seem to have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof.
TH-cam algorithm brought you here too? 😂
Have you read the SEC Report? Just google "SEC Ensign Peak"
C 21 But we are still saved in and only through the Grace of Jesus Christ. No one else could have broken the bonds of "Death and Hell" free to every earthling, otherwise we would belong to satan. Protestants do not understand the difference between salvation and exaltation. We do not get saved by our works of the law of Moses, which is the dead law that Jesus completed. They believe they are saved by Grace, but we also believe we are changed by grace and become more life Jesus, because we love him. He then blesses us with greater gospel understanding to see the path to follow. These works just change us more until Christ makes us Joint Heirs. Because they cant even follow baptism, they cant change enough to enter the Kingdom of God.
We don't believe in the trinity because God does not believe in the trinity.
He basically shattered the comcept of trinity even before it was concieved in the counsel at Nicea in Jesus's baptism when a voice spoke from heaven (God the Father), and Jesus was in the water (God the son), and the Holy Ghost ( in the form of a dove). Three distinct personalities, we believe in the "God head" and not Trinity which says God the Father is Jesus, and Jesus is the holyghost, and thr holy ghost is .... Yet Jesus Prayed for the cup to be removed from him when he supposedly has the power to remove the cup.
What is the difference between “the Godhead” and referring it to “the trinity”? Three Gods all in one and all are equal.
@@jsshay01 The difference is in the nature. Trinity says God is one tangible being, so Jesus Christ is God (the father) and the Holy Ghost at the same time.
The God head describes them as three distinct beings, that is, God the Father, Elohim. His son Jesus Christ, Jehovah of the old testament, and the Holy Ghost.
For context, look at how Psalms uses the LORD and Lord in Psalm 110:1-7 this is because this part of translation was not lost from translation and maintains the Hebraic meaning.
For context on wether the "Lord" with small letters refers to Jesus Christ, or. Jehovah of the old testament study Colossians 1:15-16.
This is the best I can do. Thanks.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true. I know by the power of the Holy Ghost. Many of the things said here are inaccurate as well as uncharitable.
The power of the Holy Ghost has told millions of people that their own Religion is the ONE and ONLY True One. Your experience is NOT the only witness of a particular organization being the ONE and ONLY True One. When did you last watch the video "Follow the Spirit" ?
are you sure it wasn;t your emotions
@@raysalmon6566 Yes, the Holy Ghost is needed to gain spiritual insight. Read first Corinthians chapter 2. Also, I’ve seen that the Holy Ghost is real in how it has helped me in school and when I was a missionary. I would get a prompting to go to a persons house and I found out that they were praying for us to be there. Also in college I was taking a differential equations class. The Holy Ghost helped me through a difficult test. Through the power of the Holy Ghost you can know the truth of all things.
@@eclipse-sh1qmZ3mOtcua Other religions contain a lot of light and truth. I’m sure the Holy Ghost has testified to them of the truth that they do have.
@@vincentorr507 The Holy Ghost testified to them that their own religion is the ONE and ONLY True One (just like I said in my earlier comment). You still haven't watched the video "Follow the Spirit" th-cam.com/video/ycUvC9s4VYA/w-d-xo.html
There are three degrees of Glory, and Apostle Paul clearly taught this simple truth in 1 Corinthians 15:39-42. The Glory of thr Sun is the highest and brightest Glory where God dwells.
For us being Gods, John taught 1 John 3:1-10 and Jesus himself did not refute it but affirmed it in John 10:34, so what is this your neighbor spewing here?
There is no evidence for 3 degrees of Glory. The scripture you quote mentions earthly versus Heavenly. And there's no mention of 3 degrees of Glory. There are not even names for 3 degrees of glory.
And, the meaning of John 10:34 is "gods" with a small "g" meaning human judges who make decrees; it does NOT mean "divine beings."
(I'm sure it's a real ego trip for most LDS men, however)
@@eclipse-sh1qmZ3mOtcua Did you read 1 Corinthians 15:40-42? That is where the degrees of glory are mentioned and tied to the resurrection, not earthly bodies.
@@michaelnicholas5587 There are no THREE DEgrees of Glory taught. Neither does it say that "the Glory of the Sun is the highest and brightest Glory where God dwells." Doesn't say that in those verses. YOu made that up.
No degrees of glory says you. It can easily be inferred from the scriptures and has a basis in a loving Heavenly Father that would not just send 90% of His children to Hell for not comprehending what they were supposed to do here. Every one of us has a degree of divinity within us as we are created in his express image and likeness as His spirit children. What do you think we are doing here, where do you think we came from, and where do you think we are going?
You folks don't understand earthly things, like the necessity of baptism, accountability for our works, and enduring to the end. How would you possibly understand what is going to happen on the other side in the eternities?
@@michaelnicholas5587 So you believe God has a body of flesh and that all humans on earth are literally the offspring of God?
Ex-Mormon here. There is a LOT of biased negativity in the comments that I dont think the OP deserves. My journey (so far) is Mormon to Athethist to Gnostic. If anybody wants to slam the OP for her opinion, take a beat and consider Jim's experience with the topic and the fact that he is laregly deferred to. The majority of my experiences with Mormonism have been based on 'listen to and align with people who agree with you.' That brings about zero moral evolution, and lets face it; mormonism has evolved a LOT, and its leaders STATE THAT repeatedly and without shame (which I find agreeable). If you can't listen to people you disagree with, and you cant question your foundations now and again, your convictions are skin-deep (and LDS leaders have made similar statements, so don't go flaming me). I surround myself with people I disagree with, but I especially respect those who decided to believe (if only for a while) that what they were taught as absolute foundational truth might actually be wrong, no matter where they wound up in the end. 'Faith' is a decision not to doubt something, and if you havent questioned the ground beneath your feet at least once, then your faith may be 'a mile wide and an inch deep'.
My niece became a Jehova’s Witness. The sense of community and commitment to their faith sounds very much the same. It’s sad that we don’t give the same commitment to our biological and Christian families.
When you say, Mormons are unsaved and not closer to Jesus, I wonder if Jesus Spoke to you and told you that Latter day Saints won't be saved, or you are the new advocate with the Father 😂😂
There is a very big difference between Christianity and Mormonism and that is what they were talking about, and a Mormon did not have to be a part of the conversation for that
Q3 Whan are you going to become a true Christian and join them? = the Church of Jesus Christ of latterday saints is the fastest growing Faith group in American history, afterall when the Lord comes you will have a choice to join his church and kingdom or go to the other camp.
My loving god has made my children start talking to him, im so blessed to have jesus in my life ❤
My husband and I were just discussing this subject the other night. Thankful for this episode and all the information. I also was curious as I noticed a lot of the people I was following on Instagram were Mormon. This was helpful thanks!
The LDS church seeks to promote love in this world (John 13:34-35) and to improve other people's lives (Matthew 34:31-46). These are the hallmarks of a Christian. To love God, family, others and to seek for a better world. The LDS church strives for this. These are His words.
Thank you for this! I trust the Gospel authors myself. Grew up with Mormons, their beliefs are so different than mine as a Christian. And they are different, 60 years have passed. The devil doesn’t care what we believe, as long as we do NOT believe the Bible. Frightening!
The LDS church seeks to promote love in this world (John 13:34-35) and to improve other people's lives (Matthew 34:31-46). These are the hallmarks of a Christian. To love God, family, others and to seek for a better world. The LDS church strives for this. These are His words.
The Bible is core doctrine of the mormon church. So is the book of Mormon. (Another testament of Christ)
I want to talk a little about Grace by pointimg you to the Bible where Grace and work is clearly taught to be a requirement for Salvation (we say exaltation because Salvation is a free gift since Jesus died for all)
First consider the parable in which Jesus Christ compared thr kingdom of heaven to talents Mathew 25:14-24
But the most interesting scripture for me on the importance of good works as a requirement for Salvation along side grace (of course, we are saved by grace after all we can do, or no matter what we do.) is Philippians 2:12-13 but then you'll give a lot of explanation to refute this, and then you look at the detialed explanation given by Paul in thr next chapter of his own efforts when he said "not as though I have already attained" (3:12) "reaching forth unto those things which are before," (3:13) "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus" (3:14). Of course, "Faith without work is dead."
I hate it when people spew lies against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. The greatest confirmation of truth is to experience it yourself, I have experienced it and I know it to be true.
Millions of people are absolutely certain their own religion is the One and ONLY True Religion, just the same as you are. We create our own "spiritual witness" when we desire something so very much. All these people have had a spiritual witness that they're certain is from God telling them their own Faith is the correct one. It's terribly lacking in wisdom for you to claim that YOURS is the correct one. *Have you not watched the video* "Follow the Spirit" ?
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Serious question. I think 2 of the biggest differences between Christians and LDS people is the trinity and Sola Scriptura. Can you show me as a LDS person where to find this in the scriptures without jumping all over over the place taking scripture out of context?
Q 16 Can you share your evidence for this?
Faith plus salvation equals Works under Mormonism
Q 22 How old is the reformation? Who was the prophet who gave the revelation that the Catholics were not Christian and that the Protestants were now in authority? Didn't God say he would only give such revelation to a prophet? So if the Catholics are not Christians, how would they be able to know who and what God is? Seems like they haven't really got any foundation of authority or truth to stand on.
I love your podcast.! And this topic was really interesting . And i thank you for being so informative in so many ways .
❤ Angela in California 😊
Q12 Was Abraham a polygamist and a prophet?
We believe (members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) in the Jesus who died for our sins and rose from the dead 3 days later. Why did Jim not mention this? What other Jesus claims to have done these things? Only one!
The LDS church seeks to promote love in this world (John 13:34-35) and to improve other people's lives (Matthew 34:31-46). These are the hallmarks of a Christian. To love God, family, others and to seek for a better world. The LDS church strives for this. These are His words.
Those are good qualities but that is not what the Bible says makes you a Christian. If you read your Bible you will learn all your good works will not cleanse your sin and get you to heaven. I was raised in the Mormon Church but became a Christian as an adult. Please search and find videos of Mormons who became Christians. Give them a chance and listen to their stories. Ex-Mormons who are now Christian’s care very deeply about the Mormon people.
@@debsnyder8437 Please share your verses that say how one becomes a question. A disciple is someone who genuinely loves another. John 13:34-35. If you genuinely love another, you are Christian.
@@rugby4lifenone615 Good question. One of the most valuable lessons I was taught after becoming a Christian and studying the Bible was “let scripture interpret scripture”. In other words don’t use just 1 or 2 verses to define something. Use many versus to get a more complete and accurate definition of a subject. If you do a search for Bible verses on salvation or how to become a Christian you’ll get hundreds of verses. I’ll share with you some of the verses that were told to me that led to me becoming a Christian while I was still a practicing Mormon. Before I do I must give the definition of the word “grace” in the Bible. It means unmerited or unearned favor. In other words something given to you that you didn’t deserve nor can you earn it. I didn’t understand this when I was a Mormon.
Ephesians 2:8-9. This verse taught me I could not earn my salvation thru good works that it was given by grace thru faith in Jesus.
Romans 6:23. This verse taught me the wages of sin is death. Our sin separates us from a Holy God and condemns us.
Romans 3:23. This verse taught me that ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. I’m a sinner, you’re a sinner, we’re all sinners, but the FREE gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus.
John 14:6. In this verse Jesus says I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except thru me.
John 3:16. For God so loved the world that he gave his ONE and ONLY son that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:3 Jesus said unless you are born again you will not see the kingdom of God.
When I understood that I was a sinner I realized I was in need of a savior. When I understood what Jesus did on that cross I knew I needed the grace he offered me. Jesus took the punishment on that cross for my sins so I could be forgiven. As a Mormon I had as shallow understanding of sin. Jesus said if you look with lust at someone you’ve committed adultery, or if you had hate in your heart you’re guilty of murder. None of us are capable of keeping all of Gods Laws in thought, word, and deed 24 hrs a day, 365 days a year. Just one sin will keep you out of the presence of our holy perfect God. When I prayed and asked Jesus to forgive my sins and asked Him to help me trust Him as my Lord and Savior, and that I needed Him, I received His Holy Spirit and was born again. I’ve never doubted my salvation since that day. After being taught a different Jesus in the LDS Church, I am so glad I came to the saving grace of the Jesus in the Bible.
Q8 What were the tests used on the Bible and how did you determine their value? Which Bible did you apply them to? Why did you select your version of the Bible and not one of the other various translations? --- “applied the same test that I applied toward the Christian scriptures”
Q 14 Do you follow Paul or Jesus? Who has more authority?
Q 13 Has Christ saved all mankind by his Grace, or just Protestants?
"important differences in Christianity and Mormonism especially maybe when it comes to Grace"
I did not realize you had the same experience..... I became a follower of Christ as I was investigating the claims of the visiting missionaries. I was someone who went digging also.... I did not find that the book of Mormon was convincing but that was not enough for me..... but the fact that blacks were not allowed to be part of the priesthood (of all faithful men) and be in the temple until 1978 caused me HUGE distress. If that was false... then the prophet was false... and then everything falls apart. The missionaries talked to their bishop and then came back and said pray to know. I did and met the true God and immediately gave my life to Jesus. :)
Did it ever occur to you that there may have been a plausible reason why blacks were not allowed the priesthood until 1978? Could it have been wisdom in God that allowing them the priesthood in times of racial unrest might have created a schism in the church? This did not happen on a whim; it was something that the church leaders had prayed over at length. When the revelation came, it was time. Also of note, at no time were blacks ever deprived of the gospel, and had access to all things pertaining to exaltation in the Celestial Kingdom.
Q 9 Why? Did your tests fail with the Book of Mormon?
“applied the same test that I applied toward the Christian scriptures” "I think as I applied that I realized really quickly this is not going to hold up"
Who made you the Gospel Sheriff?
Q6 Do you recognise Catholics as Christian?
What you say about trusting Joseph Smith at 34:37 is true. If you don't have a testimony of Joseph Smith as prophet, particularly his account of the First Vision, then the narrative falls apart.
This "not Christian" business is just so terrible. If you want to know what is not Christian, it is that exact thing. I am a born again Christian, raised in a faithful evangelical household and churches. I turned my life over to Jesus long before I had ever even heard of Mormonism, and when I did hear of it, it was in a book on cults. But when in my adult years, I actually encountered the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I discovered how much of the criticism, even condemnation, are lies. Lying is a sin, you know. So is unfairness, so is unrighteous judgment. So, too, is dogmatism and refusal to consider the actual meaning of the scriptures we have.
Q11 Where is your evidence that “all of whom were consummated sexually”?
Q 15 How can you be sure that you are the ones who have the true Jesus?
“he's got the name Jesus but if his identity is not the identity of the Jesus of scripture”
Great interview. We all need to study the Word of God, and to know the truth. When you know the truth you can identify a fake.
You cant just say you are a Cristian and accept him. You have to follow him. Crist said to do as ye have seen me do. I think there will be a lot of dissapointed so called Cristians come judgement day.
as an ex Mormon I think it is important to at least give more accurate truth. Joseph Smith's relationships were not all sexual. While all were not good, Some were just about collecting wives. This conversation would have been better with an actual Mormon or someone who had lived Mormonism for a long time. .Mormons still believe in Grace for salvation. Their interpretation of what heaven looks like is where the works come in. Works about getting to the highest level.
also comparisons are not a Mormon thing. Christians judge and compare all the time. For my 40 plus years as a Mormon we always claimed to be Christians.
I dont like this guy saying mormons are unsaved. He cannot make that claim. He isn't Jesus.
There is a lot wrong with Mormonism but this guy really doesn't know. He is not the expert he is making himself out to be. I Find this podcast disappointing.
The Church is not perfect but what this man came here to do is tell lies.
Who cares if only “some” of Joseph Smiths relationships were sexual. It’s irrelevant. The fact that any besides one wife are, and the fact he’s “collecting” wives is unChristian & problematic. God condemns polygamy in the Old Testament, and Jesus condemns it in the New Testament
@@jarueb Oh I am not defending Polygamy. What I am saying is this discussion would be better with someone who lived mormonism. Who actually understands it and gets the history right. If we are going to talk about something it should be correct.
@@jarueb Its not irrelevant, if your gonna talk trash on a religious organization you should at least have your facts straight. Jim deprecated his argument by not know all of what he thinks he knows about Mormonism. If a member was sitting next to him he would have been corrected multiple times. here we even have an exmormon who opposes the church correcting him.
@@katem6673 I agree 100%. I hate it when people go on podcasts to talk trash on the church and get most of the criticisms wrong. It does nothing but hurt our case against the church and gives the church defenders ammunition against "anti-mormons".
Q5 Who do you define as mainstream Christians?
Mormons often have the same vocabulary as mainstream Christians, but have very radically different definitions.
Q7 What are your historical truths of Christianity?
(while we can learn from other families it is very dangerous not to know the differences between historical truths of Christianity)
what you should be doing is listening ... because ...
here's the big problem for you, and all so-called christian churches, that you refuse to acknowledge ... and you cannot get around it.
jesus founded his church on prophets and apostles.
the scriptures clearly tell us that, many times.
there is only one church today that has prophets and apostles.
the restored church of jesus christ.
"the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints" which you refer to as mormons.
not any of yours.
and the fact that you call them "mormons" instead of their true name;
"the church of jesus christ, of latter-day saints,"
proves your unchristian dishonesty.
consider yourself schooled.
the church of god in the time of the prophets, (the old testament) was built on the foundation of the prophets, i. e. upon those doctrines and doctrinal truths delivered by them.
the church of god under the new testament, is built not only on the foundation of the prophets, but of the apostles, Rev. 21:14.
this is precisely what paul affirms in ephesians 2:20 where he says that the church is “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, christ jesus himself being the cornerstone” (cf. rev. 21:14; also 1cor. 3:10-11 in context).
the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints is the ONLY church today built on a foundation of apostles and prophets.
the "bible thumper" is teaching a false gospel (just like all protestants).
for that matter, catholics as well.
and YOU for that matter.
Q21 What does Jesus mean when he says that he will makes us Joint Heirs with him? What is a Joint Heir? What is it that Jesus is heir to?
I can refute this episode with where two or three are gathered in my name there I am also !! Jesus.
Thats a pretty small argument. Muslims gather and speak of Jesus, does that make them Christian and on the correct path? Sharpen your pencil bro.
Matthew 18:20
A very biased conversation that defines Latter-day Saints teachings incorrectly and falsely by giving half-truths. An honest discussion would include a latter-day saint. What they say is not my knowledge or experience of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is not “demonstrably false”, but more in tune with the Bible than any other “Christian” sect.
Q1 I'm like are they Christian and then something will happen and I realize they're not Christian - can you explain what you mean?
You have a good channel. Keep the content coming
Christ himself made it quite clear that Mormonism is not of God.
Matt 24:34
"Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened"
Adam to Noah
Noah to Abraham
Abraham to Moses
Moses to Christ
Christ to the end.
Those are the generations of Gods children. Which is why your granddad is your brother in Christ...
They may live their church culture pretty strictly. But they aren’t actually about God. They depend on their leaders to tell them all the physical things to do to be righteous. And this is always changing. Such as in 1973 I made different covenants in the temple than they do now. Most of these things have nothing really to do with the real Jesus, except they put his name in here and there. Such as, baptism is when you become a member of that church. The temple is about your own advancement. And on and on.
I received my endowment in 1973 too. The covenants have not changed, only the presentation. The reason we are encouraged to keep going back is because we learn line up on line. In school we first learned our ABC's, then writing. Reclaim your testimony and keep going to the temple. With love, Wanda
Q18 Who says we don't believe in a plurality of Gods?
You believe in a plurality of Gods too, you just use some post biblical non sensical mumbo jumbo trinitarian explanation to cover up the fact you believe the same but can claim it means one God.
One last thing Cissie, still love your channel despite this 1 episode I loved watching your grandfather on television as a very young man. God bless you and your family.
How would you be interviewing a non Latter Day Saint to talk about Latter Day Saints. I would prefer you interview a Primary Child from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, he/she will do a better job than your family friend.
I wouldn’t be surprised.
You don’t need to be a member of the Mormon church to know what they teach or how the religion was founded
@@jarueb Sure, but a member doesn’t have any motivation to misrepresent their own history.
I used to think the same: ask a Mormon if you have a question but having been a missionary I know Mormons believe based on on feeling alone. They will not entertain questions about Joseph Smith. Dude was a nut job but no Mormon will hear it or look at it.
@@KnuttyEntertainment Are you for real???? a member has _ALL_ the motivation to misrepresent their own history! When a Church claims to be the ONE and ONLY True Church personally run by Jesus Christ, they have to engage in not only misrepresentations, but also HUGE Cover Ups of all kinds of things.
Didn't you read the SEC Report? just google "SEC Ensign Peak" and read the 9-page pdf.
This is one of the best episodes I’ve ever seen! Great job Cissy!
Neither of you two really know what you’re talking about. You call yourself “fearless”??? Why don’t you actually have an active member or one authorized in the church to answer your questions and give an accurate account of doctrines and history. If I want to know about the brain I’ll talk to neurologist or brain surgeon, not a third tier chiropractor. If I wanted to know about your faith, I’d ask you, not a Muslim.
I was raised in the Mormon Church and totally believed all of it for decades. I became a Christian as an adult. The most important thing Mormons can do is listen to Mormons who left the LDS Church because they became Christians. Seek out their videos. Have the courage to listen to their stories. Us former Mormons who became Christians still love our Mormon friends.
You were never a "mormon". Christ is King in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Plainly, you are a fake.
@@sherigraham3873Once again I’ll defend myself against your false accusations. I was 3rd generation Mormon. I was the first person baptized in the new Church building we have here, when I was 8 yrs old in my white dress and socks. My uncle did the baptism. I come from a very large extended family who at one time were all Mormon. Some of my family have left the LDS and become Christians now.. You need to understand that former Mormons who are now Christians still care about their Mormon friends and family.
They may live their church culture pretty strictly. But they aren’t actually about God. They depend on their leaders to tell them all the physical things to do to be righteous. And this is always changing. Such as in 1973 I made different covenants in the temple than they do now. Most of these things have nothing really to do with the real Jesus, except they put his name in here and there. Such as, baptism is when you become a member of that church. The temple is about your own advancement. And on and on. And wards and families are not so united anymore if at all. You don’t know what others believe about abortion or LGBT stuff anymore. The church has gone left. We stood for traditional family values and Christ through these last 2 decades and our Utah Valley ward/neighborhood of 40 yrs pretty much shunned us. Finally saw the full truth and left. Love the little Bible church we go to now. Learning soooooo much! Saved!
Read the story of Micah Wilder. It’s only Jesus Christ to get to Heaven, nothing else. He learned this.
What he learned was that he didn't want to obey Christ's commandments and finds it much easier to just do what he wants and accept Christ's forgiveness. That is not the gospel.
@@michaelnicholas5587 Wrong, so wrong. what he came to realize is that the church put up roadblocks between him and God. He got rid of those roadblocks and now knows the true gospel and feels a real relationship with Christ. Christs commandments that you know are man made and not of God. Time and time again the brethren have proven themselves to be dishonest and corrupt.
@@jessea2871 Nonsense. Listen to any General Conference talk and tell me how corrupt the message or the messenger is. What commandments are man-made?
@@michaelnicholas5587 Easy. here a corrupt message. Oct 2023 GC talk think celestial Pres. Nelson said "“in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.” Thank you Pres. Nelson for telling my family that, now that I've left the church I give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of the devil. He doesn't know me and therefore can't make that statement, he's corrupting my family and turning them against me. During that same talk he said “Never take counsel from those who do not believe.” Great, now Im no one that can be trusted. Thanks Pres. Nelson. April 2022 Pres. Nelson said “tithing will keep your name enrolled among the people of God and protect you in ‘the day of vengeance and burning’”. That corruption right there, telling people that if they dont tithe to the Mormon church their name will not be welcomed in heaven and they will burn. Its a corrupt teaching and the messenger is evil.
Galatians 1:8-11
8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, a curse be on him![a] 9 As we have said before, I now say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, a curse be on him!
10 For am I now trying to persuade people,[b] or God? Or am I striving to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.
Having ebtertained some Mormon young ladies for three home visits, I listened to their story of Mormon,they grew up in a Mormon home& live all together in Utah( Im in Pa.) They go out on missionary trips for a year in different areas. They gave me thie story their teachings,who everyone isI asked do you believe in Jesusoh yesdo you believe he has been crucifieddied& is the Risen Christ,Son of God.Thats were it broke down,they hemmed& hawed around not answering me so I had my answer.Already being a devout Christian & a decent woman I had them inserved water& a cake a few times as we explored each others beliefs.Though they were sweet young women,definitely deep in thier beliefs because its been indoctrinated into them.After the third visit realizing my deep faith in the Bible& its teachings they said goodbye,we hugged& they went away.
BS. Of course we believe Crist is the son of God. He was crucified and rose on the third day. He is our Savior.
Latter-day Saints definitely believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that he was born of the Virgin Mary, died for our sins, and was resurrected. He is the Savior and Redeemer of the world.
The LDS church is true
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The Apostle John tells us in 2 John 10-11 what to do when a Mormon or JW comes to your door.
Are you sure you have the right gospel? And what is that gospel?
What a crock of lies. You do not know what you are talking about.
well not really, I agree Jim does have all the information correct he is telling a much more honest version than the one the LDS church has been teaching for almost 200 years. The church has controlled the narrative and whitewashed it and now with the internet and wide spread information they have lost the control and are back peddling like crazy. ie the Gospel Topic Essays which clearly show that yesterday's anti mormon lies are actually true. Thanks internet!
If you want the ttuth about Joseph Smith you should go watch Michelle Stone. Her show is called 132 problems.
The Mormons have to be "more" because they are working hard to get to heaven. So, every good deed they donis with a heart motive to climb another rung on the ladder. That's not really admirable. Thanks for this podcast.
Polytheism is no longer taught in the LDS church !!!!
LDS are henothiests
The church gives members a long leash to believe what they wish, really the only things a Latter-day Saint must believe are the things laid out in the articles of faith and temple recommend questions, but even disagreeing with some of those won’t automatically get you excommunicated for heresy.
Its still doctrine, they just try to keep it quiet
@@katem6673 What do you mean by "keep quiet"? Latter-day Saints have been teaching the same things for over a century, you don't have to look very hard to find out what the doctrine on the matter is.
Even in this thread we came right out and said that the church teaches henotheism.
@@KnuttyEntertainment meaning its not something that they actively teach. But it is still doctrine. Sorry poor choice of words.