Thank God for being the only youtube channel to present the information at at least 80% comprehension speed. The number of channels reducing narration speed by 25 to 50% is bonkers...thanks for doing it right.
Doesn't matter which country or nationality. If you give engineers unlimited funding and a good supply of alcohol or crack, they do amazing and unhinged things like this lmao.
We lucked out. What if they had listened to him? The man was ahead of his time like Kelly Johnson. I worked on the SR-71 at 19. What a thrill and what security.
They would have used so much funding that only a handful would have been operational at a given time. Just due trying to keep it running in the ocean! Soviets were weird. I beleive that engine had a life expectancy of 150 hours on land! It was probably too ahead of its time. I really don't know why America stopped making bad ass sea planes when we have two freaken oceans. This is a Soviet Valkryrie sea jet bomber carrier. Love it.
I thought the same thing! When I saw the design of the A-57, the decade in which he designed it (1950s), and then the part about how he designed an extremely fuel efficient twin-engine airplane that set a world record for distance in the 1930s, I was like: "This MF was the Slavic/Mediterranean version of Kelly Johnson!" Too bad he was in Soviet Russia, I think Lockheed and the Skunk Works would have immediately snatched him up and let him name his salary.
@@r.b.ratieta6111 In many ways, the Air Force and CIA were betting on this very sort of thing happening. While authoritarian regimes might-at least in theory-have an advantage in terms of ground espionage and counter-intelligence, they are very stifling when it comes to the sort of "free thinkers" that often propel innovation. With aerospace and computers evolving rapidly, if western millitaries and intelligence agencies played the R&D game, they could begin to pull ahead as paranoia, class stratification, nepotism, and brain-drain did their job in the eastern bloc, not to mention some of the financial and economic issues innate to socialism/communism specifically. Give it enough time, and your technology could wind up decades ahead of the other side, even if they tried to copy it. It took a while, but their plan worked, and the tragic story of Robert Bartini is a sample of how this happened.
I enjoy these Cold War megaprojects with their wild designs and crazy plans. Also, what a sad life story. Put in jail for no good reason at all, just an idle suspicion based on his parentage and despite his actions. In that context why not design cutting edge or odd aircraft, it’s not like there’s a lot to do in prison.
“Komrade I don’t know about this. Maybe our detection systems found a bird or something” “Unacceptable! You are traitor to ze Soviet state! *explosion” Komrade fighter pilot would be awarded the hero of the Soviet Union for preventing a nuclear war
Hahaha good spot! 😂 That is a genuinely bizarre subtitle/closed-caption though I gotta say... Like, Simon very clearly said "maze" yet it had that ("BS") instead 🤷 Does anybody who is TH-cam-tech savvy know why that would happen? Genuinely curious now 😅 I always assumed/thought that the subtitles/closed-captions were generated on like "TH-cam's video streaming/playback" side, like a sort of Audio-to-text conversion/translation kind of deal.. But maybe it is something that the creator's (eg; Simon's editors) can dictate by uploading their own transcripts for the subtitles/closed-captions? Anyway, no clue but would love to know!
Comparing the A-57 to the B-47 is insane. Much more appropriate is a comparison to the XB-70, which was in planning stages at a similar time and was notably faster, and much more close in comparison in all aspects of the program.
@@paulblase3955 Indeed! It says that the Russians were much wiser in spending their money and working on a tight budget as they reached the very same conclusion as their American counterparts without wasting hundreds of millions on a project that wouldn't go anywhere... 😜
I was surprised that there was no mention that anyone piloting the fighter would had been on a suicide mission, since once launched, it'd never be able to "land" back on the mother ship and would lack the range to return on its own.
I was wondering about this, too: It'd be a terrifying and stupendously risky process, but if we can connect a fuel line between a fighter and a tanker mid-flight (first done in the 1920s, standard practice from the 1970s), then *theoretically* - which is all this thing ever was, theory - they could recouple mid-flight. I wonder if this is one of the other reasons why the idea stayed on paper.
Maybe not then but we can sure as hell do it now. Have the means and tech to link 🖇️ up to the space station among other things. Heck considering this was the SU they could have made a extremely strong lock in mechanism < ° and then just hold and drag the small plane away with it 🤔 Would not have been the first time they did something so stupidly simple and hamfisted... Where you just look at it and shrug and be all like I don't see way this simple cheap solution won't work... then just run with it.
parasite systems often have a recovery mechanism for the planes to re-attach... but if not... it would have been a choice between getting intercepted and shot down, or having a fighting chance and ditching/ejecting at a place of your choosing. At the time, most of these nuclear armed bombing runs would have been one way, as NATO/US would have had interceptors/missiles to shoot them down. It's one of the reasons both sides built massive bomber fleets, they knew most would not reach their targets/return... also why they focused on ICBM and long range standoff delivery methods. The designs of those days were something amazing. They'd have been laughed at today... but damn, they had imagination. And the technical know how to actually make those imagined concepts happen. We've lost some of that in the years.
I love how this looked futuristic for the time and also being sort of futuristic looking even today, tell me that the Bartini wouldn't be a head turner if it was cooked up in 2024? Also I do love the idea that Bartini himself was both raised by a nobleman AND was a communist at the same time.
77 years ago, in February 1938, the NKVD arrested aircraft designer Robert Bartini, known by the nickname "red Baron". Stalin personally saved him from being shot. In Taganrog, where Bartini worked, there is a street named after him, but little is known to the general public about this man. - As a student at the Kharkov Aviation Institute, I heard from a teacher the following phrase: "If you meet a man named Bartini in your life, consider yourself lucky: this is a real genius," recalls Taganrog aircraft designer Leonid Fortinov. - The professor couldn't say more. Back then, everything related to Bartini was classified. Subsequently, Leonid Fortinov managed not only to get to know, but also to make friends with Bartini. One day, he turned to the management of the Design Bureau with an innovation proposal. The young designer was advised to talk "first with that man behind the closet," without mentioning either the stranger's first or last name.
I knew about the Martin P6M Seamaster. It was at least a high subsonic speed flying boat nuclear bomber. Squadrons were actually working up with early models for service when the program was cancelled circa 1960. But this? A cross between the P6M; a Concorde; and an SR-71 (with D21 drone). Astonishing.
I personally think that both the A55 and the A57 planes are both beautiful in their conceptional designs and over design. This coming from someone who looks for beauty in various planes.
Bartini was also involved in the analysis of the dimensions of physical quantities, an applied discipline that was initiated at the beginning of the 20th century by N.A.Morozov. One of his most famous works is "The Multiplicity of Geometries and the multiplicity of Physics", written by him in collaboration with P.G. Kuznetsov. Working with the dimensions of physical quantities, Bartini constructed a matrix of all physical phenomena based on only two parameters: L - space, and T -time. This allowed him to see the laws of physics as cells in a matrix. Just as Dmitry Ivanovich Mendeleev discovered the Periodic Table of Elements in chemistry, Bartini discovered the periodic table of laws in physics. When he discovered that the known fundamental conservation laws were arranged diagonally in this matrix, he predicted and then discovered a new conservation law, the law of conservation of mobility. This discovery ranks Bartini among such names as Johannes Kepler (two conservation laws), Isaac Newton (law of conservation of momentum), Julius Robert von Mayer (law of conservation of energy), James Clerk Maxwell (law of conservation of power), etc. The method of invention developed by Bartini was named "I-I" from the principle of combining mutually exclusive requirements: "Both." He argued "that it is possible to mathematize the birth of ideas." After the war, applied dialectical logic was rediscovered by the Baku naval engineer Heinrich Saulovich Altshuller, and again applied to invention. The method is called TRIZ, the theory of inventive problem solving. According to another version, G. Altshuller was a student of Bartini at the secret school "Aton", where he became acquainted with the "I-I" method. Unlike the classified "I-I" method, TRIZ was completely open to the public. In 1945, physicist Rumer and aircraft designer Bartini submitted to the Academy of Sciences a joint paper entitled Optical Analogy in Relativistic Mechanics and Nonlinear Electrodynamics
This was absolutely a fantastic video as always! It’d be really cool if you could compare this aircraft to the SR 71 maybe in a brief synopsis video of comparing the two.
Many colleagues noted Robert's amazing ability to solve unsolvable problems. His design ideas were ahead of their time. Moreover, they were so far ahead that it was not always obvious to the country's top leadership that they should be implemented. "Such people are called "out of this world" because they are brilliant. He worked on something that the environment could not work on and did not even understand some of his ideas," Gennady Panatov (General Designer and CEO of TANTK) is convinced. Beriev in the 1990s and 2000s). Aircraft designer Oleg Antonov echoed his colleague: "The misunderstood genius of Soviet aviation." Sergei Ilyushin, another legend of the Soviet aircraft industry, once told his students: "The fate of Bartini will allow, when it is studied, to formulate some of the most important patterns of identifying and developing design talent." And Stalin's favorite, aircraft designer Alexander Yakovlev, even exclaimed at one of the meetings: "What are we making noise here? We have Bartini, so we'll leave the problem to him! If he doesn't solve it, then it's fundamentally unsolvable."
This guy's five rules for making an _optimal_ strategic bomber weren't wrong. The fact that the people who _have_ strategic bombers completely ignored all five rules is an indication of how difficult they are to achieve, not that they aren't true!
This is a perfect example of the dichotomy of human creativity. Beauty and destruction, aesthetics and brute force. As always, cool video! But I don't like the new outro music. I know that it's unlikely you'll go back to the old one, even if it was pretty good, but do you think you guys could pick something else?
One of his colleagues described his condition at the time as follows: "Bartini, deep in himself, sat at the punch line and gave the impression of some kind of exotic bird in a cage." His clothes were untidy, but around his neck was a white kerchief pinned with a transparent stone. There were legends about this stone too. Some believed that this was a magic crystal, with the help of which the mysterious Italian "invents" (and in fact - there is no doubt - copies his planes from samples from the future). Others believed that through this pin Bartini communicates with his space brothers, because he himself is an alien from outer space. Still others argued: no, it's a tool for telepathy, absolutely! It's not for nothing that Bartini often answers a question before it's even asked.… There were many, many oddities behind the genius. Designer Sergey Ilyushin recalled: "For some reason, Bartini never felt hungry, did not feel time, despite the fact that at home he always had food and a clock on the table. I didn't even feel thirsty. I fainted at work one day. The doctor who arrived determined that the body was dehydrated."
The autobiographical novel "The Chain" ends with these words: "Centuries will pass, in the silver fog of oblivion, no one will even remember my name anymore.… Then I'll come back."
- My father knew Russian better than many of us and was fluent in foreign languages. He could sing an aria from an opera or quote Cicero in Latin. He even showed me how the meetings in the Roman Senate were held. His father made a diatribe like an ancient Roman orator, depicting the full range of emotions on his face, but at the same time he kept his body motionless so that, as he put it, "even the edge of the toga would not move," says the son of an aircraft designer. "He really lived in a world of ideas that were not always accessible to ordinary people," agrees Leonid Fortinov. - One day Bartini showed me his calculations, which showed that we are surrounded by a world in which there are not four dimensions - length, height, width and time - but six. Bartini believed that each of the three dimensions of space is influenced by different time laws, that is, length has its own time, width has its own time, and height has its own time.
I think it's kind of odd that for some reason people believe if you harm this civilian population you'll decrease morale, yet in America if you hurt the civilian population you're going to piss off that much more and at the same time give us more reason to knock on the door of whoever thought it was a good idea to mess with us.
it's a fine line... History tells us that u need to make the civilians unhappy to continue, so they start to resist the steps their govt are taking, but if u go to far, u encourage a screw you attitude. Lots of examples out there. The UK in the Blitz is a good example of failing to cow a population. you're better off interfering with their food supplies.
An amazing design. Its a shame it never even made it to the prototype stage. Actually reminds me a lot of one of the aircraft from the animated series Battle of the Planets.
Was Gerry Anderson familiar with these designs? The VVA-14, with its VTOL capabilities looks a bit like Thunderbird 2 (in profile, at least), while the A-57 looks like a scaled-up Angel Interceptor from Captain Scarlet.
The A-57 looks a lot like a fat version of the XB-70 Valkyrie built by the the US, North American Aviation, who after merging with Rockwell, built the B-1A & B-1B Lancer... now Boeing.
One day I talked to Bartini about his transfer to the USSR. He didn't say anything about it himself, and I could only speculate. "Perhaps the Soviet Union needed you as a second Sorge, that's why they sent you across the border?" I asked. "Genius!" he replied, smiling mysteriously. And then he added: "Only Richard Sorge knew four languages, and I knew seven." Then I asked another question: "But how did you manage to get through all the cordons if you were being hunted by Mussolini's agents? You must have been secretly transported with a diplomatic cargo." Bartini smiled again.
I always thought that the Cobra Night Raven from GI Joe was very silly with the plane on top of a plane and now I see that it is just a cross between this "real" plane, the Bartini A-57, and the one fictional M-31 Firefox from the same eponymous Cline Eastwood move. The more you know, I suppose.
An Italian aristocrat and self-taught designer, Bartini created more than 60 completed aircraft designs for the USSR. However, he saw only one of his production models in the sky. Were the others unsuccessful? No, not at all. Some of the disgraced foreigner's developments ended up in the projects of colleagues and students; his other works were so fantastic that they found application only after many years. "We all owe Bartini a lot. Without him, there would be no satellite," these are the words of Sergei Korolev. The life of the "red baron" himself, as he was called in Russia, is no less fantastic than his flying machines.
He could have got a job working for Gerry Anderson in that time period. I'm thinking of Andersons flying aircraft carrier (Skybase 1) that carried the Angels interceptor aircraft! Captain Scarlet for those too young enough to remember.
Supersonic designs are tricky to judge until tested in a supersonic wind tunnel, or these days I guess modeled on a supercomputer. But looks to me like the A-57 ignores the "area rule". I expect the Soviets would have been disappointed, like the US was with our F-102 Delta Dagger.
In 1965, the article "Some relations between physical constants" was published, which caused… The mixed reaction of the scientific community (some even considered it a hoax). In 1974, another article "The Multiplicity of Geometries and the multiplicity of Physics" was published by Robert Bartini and Pobisk Georgievich Kuznetsov, in which the authors express the idea of a six-dimensional world and propose a table that establishes the connection of systems of physical quantities through space-time. For some, this is a new future physics, akin to "string theory", for some reason underestimated.
His entire life and work wasted on people who never appreciated him, never trusted him, and never respected him. He wasted away behind bars incessantly working his whole life trying to get their approval.
"Dad, how do I draw the border? What color is it? "The border?" It has no color. Rivers, lakes, seas are blue, plains are green, glaciers are white. And the border in nature does not exist at all. It is only people, settled tribes, their states and rulers who have established dividing lines, interfering with communication, blocking movement, freedom and brotherhood to the general harm and the greatest shame of our kind. But there will certainly come a time when reason will overcome limitations and boundaries, it will not be soon, but it will come inevitably."
One of the key factors that separated NATO from the Warsaw Pact was NATO took air refueling seriously. A-57s with the ability to refuel midair would be a much different story.
a great illustration of how not to treat your geniuses. by jailing him they eliminated the cross fertilization of ideas in Soviet aerospace. "steel sharpens steel" as they say. i'm surprised there hasn't been a more modern take on Ekranoplans, as composite materials and newer jet engines could make them very useful to the Coast Guard.
The Germans : *Invented sexy uniforms* The Russians : *Invented sexy planes* Edit : so, which is better? A shirt or a literal flying mechanic and a weaponized bird? You decide
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Please Google „Saenger (spacecraft)“. There was a comparable project before.
In chinese 5-7 is Wu Chi -> The entire plane is A-'Witch'
Thank God for being the only youtube channel to present the information at at least 80% comprehension speed. The number of channels reducing narration speed by 25 to 50% is bonkers...thanks for doing it right.
Doesn't matter which country or nationality.
If you give engineers unlimited funding and a good supply of alcohol or crack, they do amazing and unhinged things like this lmao.
The Cold War got so stupid that it would've been hilarious if the implications weren't so horrifying. Both sides had plans to _nuke the moon._
this explains Scottish inventors,, they have whisky, and are trapped in sheds by the weather
I love the concept that was a submarine and aircraft
😂 fair point
Toilet wine is a hell of a drug
"This is either madness, or brilliance."
"It's remarkable how often those two terms coincide."
We lucked out. What if they had listened to him? The man was ahead of his time like Kelly Johnson. I worked on the SR-71 at 19. What a thrill and what security.
They would have used so much funding that only a handful would have been operational at a given time. Just due trying to keep it running in the ocean!
Soviets were weird. I beleive that engine had a life expectancy of 150 hours on land!
It was probably too ahead of its time. I really don't know why America stopped making bad ass sea planes when we have two freaken oceans.
This is a Soviet Valkryrie sea jet bomber carrier. Love it.
I thought the same thing! When I saw the design of the A-57, the decade in which he designed it (1950s), and then the part about how he designed an extremely fuel efficient twin-engine airplane that set a world record for distance in the 1930s, I was like:
"This MF was the Slavic/Mediterranean version of Kelly Johnson!"
Too bad he was in Soviet Russia, I think Lockheed and the Skunk Works would have immediately snatched him up and let him name his salary.
@@r.b.ratieta6111 In many ways, the Air Force and CIA were betting on this very sort of thing happening. While authoritarian regimes might-at least in theory-have an advantage in terms of ground espionage and counter-intelligence, they are very stifling when it comes to the sort of "free thinkers" that often propel innovation. With aerospace and computers evolving rapidly, if western millitaries and intelligence agencies played the R&D game, they could begin to pull ahead as paranoia, class stratification, nepotism, and brain-drain did their job in the eastern bloc, not to mention some of the financial and economic issues innate to socialism/communism specifically. Give it enough time, and your technology could wind up decades ahead of the other side, even if they tried to copy it.
It took a while, but their plan worked, and the tragic story of Robert Bartini is a sample of how this happened.
What'd you do on the SR program?
bullshit
I enjoy these Cold War megaprojects with their wild designs and crazy plans.
Also, what a sad life story. Put in jail for no good reason at all, just an idle suspicion based on his parentage and despite his actions. In that context why not design cutting edge or odd aircraft, it’s not like there’s a lot to do in prison.
Bartini was hardly the only Soviet weapons designer to get on the bad side of Stalin.
Sounds like the UK today
@Refusenik-Four lol, accurate :)
It looks like it just flew off the set of THUNDERBIRDS, the old British TV show.
Russian version of team America f yeah
F.A.B!
I was about to say that it looked like something from one of Gerry Anderson's sketchbooks!
@@AtheistOrphan Definitely not the Film Actor's Guild.
They were so worried about defection, that they included a built-in fighter to destroy the bomber at the slightest sign of displeasing Stalin.
“Komrade I don’t know about this. Maybe our detection systems found a bird or something”
“Unacceptable! You are traitor to ze Soviet state! *explosion”
Komrade fighter pilot would be awarded the hero of the Soviet Union for preventing a nuclear war
Well, I guess the build in fighter was manned by a political commissar, ready to destroy traitors, spies, xenos and heretics that befell the bomber.
Thats stupid.
@@shaun469 and you clearly don’t know when you are presented with an obvious joke
@@solarflare623 there's obvious. Then there's stupid.
9:00: LOL Simon says "the bureaucratic maze," while the machine generated subtitles say "the bureaucratic BS."
Hahaha good spot! 😂
That is a genuinely bizarre subtitle/closed-caption though I gotta say... Like, Simon very clearly said "maze" yet it had that ("BS") instead 🤷
Does anybody who is TH-cam-tech savvy know why that would happen?
Genuinely curious now 😅
I always assumed/thought that the subtitles/closed-captions were generated on like "TH-cam's video streaming/playback" side, like a sort of Audio-to-text conversion/translation kind of deal..
But maybe it is something that the creator's (eg; Simon's editors) can dictate by uploading their own transcripts for the subtitles/closed-captions?
Anyway, no clue but would love to know!
It's not wrong. :D
@@samiraperi467 no, but it's a weird editorial comment from the AI
Machine is right
1:00 - Chapter 1 - Big bird , little bird
2:45 - Mid roll ads
4:20 - Chapter 2 - Shaken & stirred
7:00 - Chapter 3 - 1st try ; the A55
9:15 - Chapter 4 - 5 rules for the perfect bomber
12:30 - Chapter 5 - Some impressive specs
15:40 - Chapter 6 - Bartini vs boeing
17:35 - Chapter 7 - A tearful goodbye
@@ignitionfrn2223 I wish your comment get pinned
A “bartini” sounds like a martini but they used the entire stock in one massive drink.
With an olive.
Comparing the A-57 to the B-47 is insane. Much more appropriate is a comparison to the XB-70, which was in planning stages at a similar time and was notably faster, and much more close in comparison in all aspects of the program.
The fact that the Soviets didn’t build the A-57 while we did build the XB-70 says something.
@@paulblase3955 Indeed!
It says that the Russians were much wiser in spending their money and working on a tight budget as they reached the very same conclusion as their American counterparts without wasting hundreds of millions on a project that wouldn't go anywhere... 😜
@@mariusmioc3045 We learned a lot from flying the XP-70 that went into other programs. The experience wasn't wasted.
This plane looks so cool! And the idea of it carrying its own little piggy-back buddy is almost Star Wars--love it!
Man, Russians are always never building the coolest things.
Bully 🎉
They have a problem with over promising and under delivering
Americans are really only unusual in that we actually build the ridiculous nonsense.
I think we absorbed too many Nazis and love of WuWa.
SU-47
@@shirazzmatazbut I like the crazy ambition
The Russian Aurora meets the XB-70. Why wasn't I able to build this as a kid? Damn it!
I was surprised that there was no mention that anyone piloting the fighter would had been on a suicide mission, since once launched, it'd never be able to "land" back on the mother ship and would lack the range to return on its own.
It was part boat with a ski so it could land in or near Siberia
I was wondering about this, too: It'd be a terrifying and stupendously risky process, but if we can connect a fuel line between a fighter and a tanker mid-flight (first done in the 1920s, standard practice from the 1970s), then *theoretically* - which is all this thing ever was, theory - they could recouple mid-flight.
I wonder if this is one of the other reasons why the idea stayed on paper.
Maybe not then but we can sure as hell do it now. Have the means and tech to link 🖇️ up to the space station among other things. Heck considering this was the SU they could have made a extremely strong lock in mechanism < ° and then just hold and drag the small plane away with it 🤔
Would not have been the first time they did something so stupidly simple and hamfisted... Where you just look at it and shrug and be all like I don't see way this simple cheap solution won't work... then just run with it.
parasite systems often have a recovery mechanism for the planes to re-attach... but if not... it would have been a choice between getting intercepted and shot down, or having a fighting chance and ditching/ejecting at a place of your choosing. At the time, most of these nuclear armed bombing runs would have been one way, as NATO/US would have had interceptors/missiles to shoot them down. It's one of the reasons both sides built massive bomber fleets, they knew most would not reach their targets/return... also why they focused on ICBM and long range standoff delivery methods.
The designs of those days were something amazing. They'd have been laughed at today... but damn, they had imagination. And the technical know how to actually make those imagined concepts happen. We've lost some of that in the years.
If that fighter had to launch there probably wasn't going to be a homeland to go back to.
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I love how this looked futuristic for the time and also being sort of futuristic looking even today, tell me that the Bartini wouldn't be a head turner if it was cooked up in 2024? Also I do love the idea that Bartini himself was both raised by a nobleman AND was a communist at the same time.
@@Kaltagstar96 Your mom is a head Turner.
@@jeffdroogis this some kind of new compliment lol
Still looks futuristic, not kinda, to me :)
"Something out of a space opera" my eye. Holy Thunderbirds, Batman! 😂
77 years ago, in February 1938, the NKVD arrested aircraft designer Robert Bartini, known by the nickname "red Baron". Stalin personally saved him from being shot. In Taganrog, where Bartini worked, there is a street named after him, but little is known to the general public about this man.
- As a student at the Kharkov Aviation Institute, I heard from a teacher the following phrase: "If you meet a man named Bartini in your life, consider yourself lucky: this is a real genius," recalls Taganrog aircraft designer Leonid Fortinov. - The professor couldn't say more. Back then, everything related to Bartini was classified.
Subsequently, Leonid Fortinov managed not only to get to know, but also to make friends with Bartini. One day, he turned to the management of the Design Bureau with an innovation proposal. The young designer was advised to talk "first with that man behind the closet," without mentioning either the stranger's first or last name.
I knew about the Martin P6M Seamaster. It was at least a high subsonic speed flying boat nuclear bomber. Squadrons were actually working up with early models for service when the program was cancelled circa 1960.
But this? A cross between the P6M; a Concorde; and an SR-71 (with D21 drone). Astonishing.
What a cool project. Just wanna take this time to say thank you for all the amazing content.
you do so much but video chapters would be amazing for those of us who are more interested in the history or specifications of the aircraft
Land on icebergs and supplied by submarine. I believe we've seen this movie
Am I the only one getting Firefox vibes off this? (The Clint Eastwood movie, not the web browser LOL) 🤔
It seemed like every super secret Soviet design back in the 80s was of that general shape
"Think in Russian"
I personally think that both the A55 and the A57 planes are both beautiful in their conceptional designs and over design. This coming from someone who looks for beauty in various planes.
The plane looks like somthing the "Red skull" would commission.
@grahamfahlman ...Or people who were real,and actually worse lol What are you? 5?
4:32 -- great pun, Simon!
Bartini was also involved in the analysis of the dimensions of physical quantities, an applied discipline that was initiated at the beginning of the 20th century by N.A.Morozov. One of his most famous works is "The Multiplicity of Geometries and the multiplicity of Physics", written by him in collaboration with P.G. Kuznetsov. Working with the dimensions of physical quantities, Bartini constructed a matrix of all physical phenomena based on only two parameters: L - space, and T -time.
This allowed him to see the laws of physics as cells in a matrix. Just as Dmitry Ivanovich Mendeleev discovered the Periodic Table of Elements in chemistry, Bartini discovered the periodic table of laws in physics. When he discovered that the known fundamental conservation laws were arranged diagonally in this matrix, he predicted and then discovered a new conservation law, the law of conservation of mobility. This discovery ranks Bartini among such names as Johannes Kepler (two conservation laws), Isaac Newton (law of conservation of momentum), Julius Robert von Mayer (law of conservation of energy), James Clerk Maxwell (law of conservation of power), etc.
The method of invention developed by Bartini was named "I-I" from the principle of combining mutually exclusive requirements: "Both." He argued "that it is possible to mathematize the birth of ideas."
After the war, applied dialectical logic was rediscovered by the Baku naval engineer Heinrich Saulovich Altshuller, and again applied to invention. The method is called TRIZ, the theory of inventive problem solving. According to another version, G. Altshuller was a student of Bartini at the secret school "Aton", where he became acquainted with the "I-I" method. Unlike the classified "I-I" method, TRIZ was completely open to the public.
In 1945, physicist Rumer and aircraft designer Bartini submitted to the Academy of Sciences a joint paper entitled Optical Analogy in Relativistic Mechanics and Nonlinear Electrodynamics
I can not stop wondering if the Bartini A-57 was the reason for the design/necessity of the Lockheed YF-12 design/capabilities.
This was absolutely a fantastic video as always! It’d be really cool if you could compare this aircraft to the SR 71 maybe in a brief synopsis video of comparing the two.
Many colleagues noted Robert's amazing ability to solve unsolvable problems. His design ideas were ahead of their time. Moreover, they were so far ahead that it was not always obvious to the country's top leadership that they should be implemented.
"Such people are called "out of this world" because they are brilliant. He worked on something that the environment could not work on and did not even understand some of his ideas," Gennady Panatov (General Designer and CEO of TANTK) is convinced. Beriev in the 1990s and 2000s). Aircraft designer Oleg Antonov echoed his colleague: "The misunderstood genius of Soviet aviation."
Sergei Ilyushin, another legend of the Soviet aircraft industry, once told his students: "The fate of Bartini will allow, when it is studied, to formulate some of the most important patterns of identifying and developing design talent." And Stalin's favorite, aircraft designer Alexander Yakovlev, even exclaimed at one of the meetings: "What are we making noise here? We have Bartini, so we'll leave the problem to him! If he doesn't solve it, then it's fundamentally unsolvable."
Mega project on Panavia Tornado 💥💥💥 The European variable-sweep wing strike fighter!
This would be right at home in a Gerry Anderson series.
This guy's five rules for making an _optimal_ strategic bomber weren't wrong.
The fact that the people who _have_ strategic bombers completely ignored all five rules is an indication of how difficult they are to achieve, not that they aren't true!
This is a perfect example of the dichotomy of human creativity. Beauty and destruction, aesthetics and brute force.
As always, cool video! But I don't like the new outro music. I know that it's unlikely you'll go back to the old one, even if it was pretty good, but do you think you guys could pick something else?
Bartini A-57 + Lockheed SR-71 = Cobra Night Raven S³P
Alot of GiJoe toys resembled prototypes . Even the forward swept wing fighter x 29
It's not about design, it's about efficiency for the user.
Thank you, Simon!!
Looks like something out of Thunderbirds.
Veru cool report. Thanks for this
How cute, its like a mother goose carrying a baby goose
Of death
Studio Ghibli and fighter jets. My 2 fav things😄
One of his colleagues described his condition at the time as follows: "Bartini, deep in himself, sat at the punch line and gave the impression of some kind of exotic bird in a cage."
His clothes were untidy, but around his neck was a white kerchief pinned with a transparent stone.
There were legends about this stone too. Some believed that this was a magic crystal, with the help of which the mysterious Italian "invents" (and in fact - there is no doubt - copies his planes from samples from the future). Others believed that through this pin Bartini communicates with his space brothers, because he himself is an alien from outer space. Still others argued: no, it's a tool for telepathy, absolutely! It's not for nothing that Bartini often answers a question before it's even asked.…
There were many, many oddities behind the genius. Designer Sergey Ilyushin recalled: "For some reason, Bartini never felt hungry, did not feel time, despite the fact that at home he always had food and a clock on the table. I didn't even feel thirsty. I fainted at work one day. The doctor who arrived determined that the body was dehydrated."
“Siberian Research Institute of Aviation” is an agency I never thought I’d hear about.
Pretty cool episode, amazing what was being designed back then. Shame he never got to see them all come to fruition
I mean the concept is ingenious... even if insane on some level.
Great video
Wait a minute, Simon Sensei!
Did Uncle Nikita get his hands on the blueprint from the Science Ninja Team Gatchaman (G-Force) jet fighter? 😂😂
It/They look like a beautiful craft(s). An interesting concept as well.
Bartini and Richard Vogt seems as if it had been a match made in heaven
The autobiographical novel "The Chain" ends with these words: "Centuries will pass, in the silver fog of oblivion, no one will even remember my name anymore.… Then I'll come back."
- My father knew Russian better than many of us and was fluent in foreign languages. He could sing an aria from an opera or quote Cicero in Latin. He even showed me how the meetings in the Roman Senate were held. His father made a diatribe like an ancient Roman orator, depicting the full range of emotions on his face, but at the same time he kept his body motionless so that, as he put it, "even the edge of the toga would not move," says the son of an aircraft designer.
"He really lived in a world of ideas that were not always accessible to ordinary people," agrees Leonid Fortinov. - One day Bartini showed me his calculations, which showed that we are surrounded by a world in which there are not four dimensions - length, height, width and time - but six. Bartini believed that each of the three dimensions of space is influenced by different time laws, that is, length has its own time, width has its own time, and height has its own time.
Always love a good Teodarani script
1:15 “increasingly phallic shapes and proportions” lol
Also look like the XB-70 Valkyrie
One of my all-time favorite non-existant planes! I even made it a setpiece in my 1960s superhero novel
I think it's kind of odd that for some reason people believe if you harm this civilian population you'll decrease morale, yet in America if you hurt the civilian population you're going to piss off that much more and at the same time give us more reason to knock on the door of whoever thought it was a good idea to mess with us.
it's a fine line... History tells us that u need to make the civilians unhappy to continue, so they start to resist the steps their govt are taking, but if u go to far, u encourage a screw you attitude. Lots of examples out there. The UK in the Blitz is a good example of failing to cow a population. you're better off interfering with their food supplies.
The US is certainly a lousy example as the Us never knew what war means on its own soil.
An amazing design. Its a shame it never even made it to the prototype stage.
Actually reminds me a lot of one of the aircraft from the animated series Battle of the Planets.
One of the coolest planes ever
Paper can bear anything
Specifications can be impressive, but are they attainable?
Awwww, Russian Nesting Jets
ABSOLUTELY INSANE OVERKILI
That's some glorious design
Was Gerry Anderson familiar with these designs? The VVA-14, with its VTOL capabilities looks a bit like Thunderbird 2 (in profile, at least), while the A-57 looks like a scaled-up Angel Interceptor from Captain Scarlet.
The A-57 looks a lot like a fat version of the XB-70 Valkyrie built by the the US, North American Aviation, who after merging with Rockwell, built the B-1A & B-1B Lancer... now Boeing.
I thought XB-70 immediately, specifically the tail section.
One day I talked to Bartini about his transfer to the USSR. He didn't say anything about it himself, and I could only speculate. "Perhaps the Soviet Union needed you as a second Sorge, that's why they sent you across the border?" I asked. "Genius!" he replied, smiling mysteriously. And then he added: "Only Richard Sorge knew four languages, and I knew seven." Then I asked another question: "But how did you manage to get through all the cordons if you were being hunted by Mussolini's agents? You must have been secretly transported with a diplomatic cargo." Bartini smiled again.
The worlds most useful globe is behind Simon
The world at night
"Let's consider the creator of this beauty, or monstrosity depending on your taste.... SQUARESPACE!!!" 😂😅
Blended wing is the correct term
Had he been born into different circumstances, this guy would have made a great car designer.
I always thought that the Cobra Night Raven from GI Joe was very silly with the plane on top of a plane and now I see that it is just a cross between this "real" plane, the Bartini A-57, and the one fictional M-31 Firefox from the same eponymous Cline Eastwood move.
The more you know, I suppose.
Commence the altered Ludivigo!
Having lettuce for a brother would be weird.
I got my youtube gaming recap the other day. Congrats to Megaprojects and Warfronts for somehow being in my top 2 gaming channels...🤣
Good looking aircraft
Imagine what Bartini could have done if he'd been able to work freely, and had the resources and the technology to make the most of his ingenuity.
The Convair Sea Dart had a different purpose, but a similar operational concept. It's the only seaplane to achieve supersonic flight.
Looks like a Gerry Anderson design.
If he would’ve been working for Lockheed some of his concepts might have actually gotten working prototyped
Stal-7? Don't name your airplanes stall xD
It means "stееl" in russian. "Stall" in Russian sounds like "shtopor".
what a crazy projects :)
An Italian aristocrat and self-taught designer, Bartini created more than 60 completed aircraft designs for the USSR. However, he saw only one of his production models in the sky. Were the others unsuccessful? No, not at all. Some of the disgraced foreigner's developments ended up in the projects of colleagues and students; his other works were so fantastic that they found application only after many years.
"We all owe Bartini a lot. Without him, there would be no satellite," these are the words of Sergei Korolev.
The life of the "red baron" himself, as he was called in Russia, is no less fantastic than his flying machines.
Man,squarespace was older then I thought, you said let's talk about who built it... SQUARESPACE!? wow
Simon, I have a confession to make. I fast forward trough sponsored content 😅
He could have got a job working for Gerry Anderson in that time period. I'm thinking of Andersons flying aircraft carrier (Skybase 1) that carried the Angels interceptor aircraft! Captain Scarlet for those too young enough to remember.
Supersonic designs are tricky to judge until tested in a supersonic wind tunnel, or these days I guess modeled on a supercomputer. But looks to me like the A-57 ignores the "area rule". I expect the Soviets would have been disappointed, like the US was with our F-102 Delta Dagger.
Whenever the soviet anthem plays, it always makes me laugh because of the memes
In 1965, the article "Some relations between physical constants" was published, which caused… The mixed reaction of the scientific community (some even considered it a hoax).
In 1974, another article "The Multiplicity of Geometries and the multiplicity of Physics" was published by Robert Bartini and Pobisk Georgievich Kuznetsov, in which the authors express the idea of a six-dimensional world and propose a table that establishes the connection of systems of physical quantities through space-time. For some, this is a new future physics, akin to "string theory", for some reason underestimated.
I could not listen to Simon as I tried to figure out whats in that other room he let the door open to…😂
2:09 what is the name of this background track?
Soviet Union: look at our doomsday machine!
United States: hold my beer (creates project Pluto)
Russki XB-70 crossed with the Blackbird with Erkanoplane type ground effects. Could've been legendary.
His entire life and work wasted on people who never appreciated him, never trusted him, and never respected him. He wasted away behind bars incessantly working his whole life trying to get their approval.
"Dad, how do I draw the border? What color is it?
"The border?" It has no color. Rivers, lakes, seas are blue, plains are green, glaciers are white. And the border in nature does not exist at all. It is only people, settled tribes, their states and rulers who have established dividing lines, interfering with communication, blocking movement, freedom and brotherhood to the general harm and the greatest shame of our kind. But there will certainly come a time when reason will overcome limitations and boundaries, it will not be soon, but it will come inevitably."
You're doing it right when they cancel your project because you died and nobody else had a clue about how to complete it.
One of the key factors that separated NATO from the Warsaw Pact was NATO took air refueling seriously. A-57s with the ability to refuel midair would be a much different story.
That’s the cobra night raven from gi Joe
I remember the documentary about Clint Eastwood stealing this. It was amazing.
a great illustration of how not to treat your geniuses. by jailing him they eliminated the cross fertilization of ideas in Soviet aerospace. "steel sharpens steel" as they say. i'm surprised there hasn't been a more modern take on Ekranoplans, as composite materials and newer jet engines could make them very useful to the Coast Guard.
The Germans : *Invented sexy uniforms*
The Russians : *Invented sexy planes*
Edit : so, which is better? A shirt or a literal flying mechanic and a weaponized bird? You decide
Just curious. Did you borrow from "Found AND Explained's" video on this aircraft, or is that sourced from somwhere else?