Jack, next time you polish headlights, I recommend putting masking tape on the paint around the lights first, as it's easy to accidentally polish through the paint on the edges of the panels. it lets you see if you're going past the edge of the light too often, and gives the paint a touch of protection before it starts to burn off.
The reason Jag would have quoted £2600 for the subframe will be mainly labour. In this situation you really need to take the subframe out of the car, remove all rust down to bare metal and then paint/waxoyl it while its out of the car. What you've done is basically put a rust proof layer on top of rust. This will stop new moisture getting into the subframes metal, but it won't stop the rust you left from spreading underneath the coating. So it will look all nice and new, but the metal will continue to deteriorate.
@Lookup2Wakeup Fair enough, I got a quote for my 370Z rear subframe in similar condition and they were going to restore instead of replace it, hence the assumption
@Lookup2Wakeupthe quote was for a new subframe, but what he's done will be perfectly fine for years now. I did similar to my Polo 10 years ago and it's still good now, although I did use Hammerite smooth black.
The rear subframe issue is similar to that being experienced by many VH platform era Aston Martins (2004 onwards). I’m afraid clearing off the rust and putting wax will only mask the problem. As the OP has said, the only real treatment is removal, blasting and powder coating. A big job but worth it if you plan to keep the car for more than a couple of years. Otherwise you’ll end up with an MOT failure.
There is absolutely no way any Main-dealer, like Jaguar, would start rubbing or even blasting a rusty subframe down to bare metal and repainting it these days. They may replace it with a completely new part.
Personally I'd have put a neutraliser on the rusty sub-frame to prevent corrosion coming back under the waxoil. I also always put copper ease on wheel bolts and the hub facing surfaces; does make life easier thereafter. Looks like it's turning into a really usable and still gorgeous car.
I like vactan it gives good long lasting results over rust and followed up by paint as it's self priming. And for extra duration lanoguard a couple of months later. I tested vactan on a old rusty shovel and left it outside with a coat of enamel paint as it isn't UV resistant and 12 months later and no rust. It's a summer job as ambient temperature has to be above 18 degrees when treated.
Subframe off the car, and then powdercoat would be my route. This depends on the price of a new subframe tho. The rubbers also need to be replaced at one point, this might be a way of pushing the subframe off job forward for some time. I just rebushed the frame on my e32 beemer and it's a lot of work.. Not a driveway winter job at all
The headlights will need a coat of UV resistant lacquer to last, else you'll need to polish them again in 12-18 months as they will go cloudy again. No biggie, but worth getting them coated in my personal opinion.
Bodyshop would coat them with 2k laquer for not to much money.But after polishing give them a good coat of wax ,keep on top of them and they should last
@@Number27 I have had good results wrapping them with special headlight wrap on a W211 Merc. Clear coat(paint) will distort your beam, i wouldn't do that. Special coating as factory did seems to be hard to find.
@@djpierre4613 I have clearcoated many restored plastic lenses. The key is to use an airbrush rather than a can of spray paint. On a macro level, you can see rattle-can applications are actually larger paint droplets that coat in uneven layers, whereas a good airbrush technique applies the paint as a fine mist. No lens distortion that way. Or at least not in any measurable way.
Jaguar wheel bolts breaking is a common problem because people invariably overtighten them. The correct torque is 125Nm but this feels loose as there is less resistance from the bolts as they have flat seats with a rotating captive washer rather than tapered seats that most people are used to doing up, so they are tempted to give them an extra tweak which causes the bolts to stretch. You could have saved some money calling in the pro's though Jack, as a drill and a 20mm hole saw is all that is needed to cut the flat seat off and release the wheel without damaging it. Also, bad idea to use anti-seizing compound on the stud threads as this also leads to over-torquing as the slip from the compound will cause a torque wrench to under-read and also exacerbate the low-resistance feel of the correct torque setting. I also refurbed a similarly crusty looking Jaguar XF subframe but I did it off the car. Ground-off the worst of the rust with a disk and spinning wire brush then dipped the whole thing in phosphoric acid to neutralise any rust I couldn't see. Then gave it two coats of acid-etch primer followed by two coats of chassis black. The factory coating is just a thin film of black paint straight on to the metal that offers zero protection after 5-6 years and then the deterioration accelerates.
I pretty much agree with everything you say, except regarding the wheel nuts. I have seen this so many times - if no grease of any kind is put on the wheel nut threads, or studs, then, if the wheel is not removed for a long period, it is inevitable that they will corrode, and seize up, due to water ingress. There are different kinds of things you could use, like graphite grease, but I have always used waterproof grease, and then checked my wheel nuts regularly to make sure they are tight. I totally get what you're saying about a lubricant throwing off the torque wrench setting, yes, that's possible, but a small amount of over tightening is a small price to pay to prevent seizure, which is a potential nightmare, if only discovered far from home with a punctured/wrecked tyre. A good torque wrench is worth its weight in gold, and people need to learn to trust the reading. There must surely be another way - some form of Loctite, which is designed to repel moisture, but is easily 'broken' with hand tools. It would do the job of preventing seizure, but without actually being a lubricant. Perhaps this would affect the torquing a bit, but less than something which is actually a grease.
I would've personally put some rust converter on the subframe as all you've done with the wax oil is lock in the rust which will make it worse long term. I see it all the time. You need to get rid of the rust first.
I was going to say that just before I read you comment. I applied just waxoyl to my caravan chassis and the rust just formed underneath it and the coating just dropped off after about a year. I then used kurust followed by hammerite followed by waxoyl and that’s doing fine after four years so far.
You on,y need one hole allowing oxygen in and it continues ,Quie a distance Preperation on any surface is key to a job that lasts and does what it’s meant to do .
In part I agree, but I have to say Jack has some real talent communicating to us the character of a vehicle. He is one of only a very few I'd listen to. I loved hearing his comments and real enjoyment in the Europa and some of the Lancias, Fiats and Alfas. Really got it spot on.
Great result and just shows how much you can save on dealer quotes. However, I think the subframe refurb is a bit misleading, as you've only really (so it would seem) got the crap off and sealed the bits you can physically get to. You would really need to drop it and take off all the ancillary bits to do it properly. Just sayin'.
Jack, it was a good 'temporary' fix on the rear subframe - but on my 1996 XK8 (which rot a lot more than the X150's) I removed my rear subframe and for a piece of steel that had lived under the car for over a quarter of a century it was surprisingly good. However I removed the orignal paint and rust spots, wire wheeled, applied a chemical rust proofer and primer and then two coats of POR15. I also did this to the support brackets and struts. Hopefully it should last another couple decades!
You attempted fixing things, whilst the dealer quoted you to replace faulty items, that's what main dealers do. they quoted mainly replacement not repair or refurbish.
I also had a wheel nut break on me, 2015 jag XE, I saw a youtuber use a hole saw fractionally larger than the stud to cut through the remains of the nut and it worked for me. Nut excess came away, wheel slid over what remains on the stud, using mole grips to unwind the remainder off the stud. 10 minute job.
I’m glad you got the wheel sorted, but this happened to me. Easy fix is to buy a 20mm hole cutter and put it on your drill, it fits over the sheared nut and when you drill it out to the spinning ring collar so won’t damage your wheel. It takes 30 seconds to drill off. Very easy fix. 👍🏻
If you don't already, I suggest only using single hex sockets on those kind of wheel nuts. Double hex ones can damage the this shells and they turn or get stuck in the socket. Found this out the hard way!! Similarly I'd avoid using an impact wrench to undo or tighten them as it will break them with no warning. Use a socket and bar to undo and a torque wrench to tighten.
It's funny over here in the states same thing? I drive a porsche and a Volvo. once warranty is up I rarely ever go to the them the manufacturing dealer. they've priced themselves pretty much out of everybody's pocket. . It's nice when a tech hangs around long enough to get their certification, then starts his own shop for half of what the dealers charge. Love the jag
The subframe/suspension “fix” is very temporary. Not bad to do and it will buy you some time definitely but I would have removed the thing and either wirewheeled it or better sandblasted it. Then painted it properly and coating it after that.
Agreed l too would have removed the sub frame & would have blasted & had it powder coated 😮 ( note you didn't do the frame on the body side so the rust will eat through it 😭😭🙄🙄
Main dealers don't want to fix cars out of warranty, they just want to sell you a new one! Hence the walk past the latest models to the service centres. Great advice for you with the comments you have received.
A good seam sealer is 'Wurth'. You can use an ordinary mastic gun to apply it but there is a gun the uses compressed air. It's a 'wet on wet' product so you can paint spray it when it is tacky. I have to say I think your silicon will be fine but just for reference I would mentioned 'Wurth'. You did a good job on the headlights but personally I would have put masking tape on the bodywork so you don't hit the paint. Anyway none of that is meant as a negative comment. Those wheels were a bit pear shaped so good that they are now straight. We know that a fair part of the Jaguar estimate would be labour costs and they would of course have used new parts so you can see where the money goes. Overall a Great job (or jobs) done Jack and good that you had access to a ramp which made life easier. 👍👍
Hello Again, I had the same very common issue with the wheel nuts on XF, two snaped, cost £40 to remove what was left, the guy who removed them recommended new nuts, I bought a complete set of 20 x M21 solid polished stainless nuts (which better suit the car) for £28 delivered, no more problems. Regards, RichardA.
My wife's Honda Jazz has the same stud and bolt design and I managed to shear two at the same time whilst attempting to fit the winter tyres and rims a few years ago. The first one I did whilst trying to loosen the third of five, the second one when refitting the second bolt I'd originally removed! At that point I had to walk away, count to ten and take few deep breaths!
Problems with a rusty subframe are best fixed by a serious attempt to clean with a power wire brush then apply phosphoric acid liberally to all areas. Next morning wash with soapy water then dry with a heat gun and apply zinc primer as soon as the metal is dry then finish with a heavy coat of a bituminous paint. If you are really clever and plan to keep the car for a while then consider fitting zinc anodes to the underside of the car.
22 mm hole saw will take enough off the broken wheel nut for the wheel to slip off. Just take your time and plenty of lubricant.You can then remove the broken nut with a pair of mole grips. I had to do 3 on my XF a couple of years ago. I used a Starret hole saw. If the cap comes off you need an 18mm socket. It’s now possible to buy nuts that are machined from solid.
Dealing with rusty , seized nuts is part of the pain/satisfaction on working on your own old cars .My sons BMW E46 318i, needed the starter motor replacing, whoever did the job previously totally knackerd the E12 bolts, took us 3 hours to get the starter motor of, very poor access due to the bellhousing. I bought new bolts from the dealer and had the new starter motor fitted in 15 minuets !!
Please do not take this too negatively, until today I'd never heard of the channel and i am now subscribed. But when a channel does a budget build it's relatable. It helps us proles feel like it's something we can achieve. The second someone does something as a gesture of good will that you would've paid for, that relatability is hurt. Although I am glad you still added that money to the list at the end. There's a lot of channels that don't add it in. Still an amazing saving.
Hello, for the rusty rear subframe. Clean all with wire brush and other means as good as it gets. Then usage Unitor Metalbrite, see instructions and follow. Then go with Apexior paint and follow makers recommendations. All the best.
Hello Jack. Great to see you getting your hands dirty again! For the subframe, or just rusty parts in general, a rust converter is a great step before wax oil treatment. In theory, encasing the part in wax oil should inhibit the rusting process, but if/when the wax oil chips away, you're back to square one. A UV clear coat on the headlights will keep them looking clear for longer.
Do you ever use copper grease to stop bolts rusting solid? It's what we use on pushbikes for things like crank nuts which tend to be exposed to a lot of moisture. Great job by the way on a really nice-looking car.
Nooooo! These nuts are meant to be torqued up dry. If you grease the threads then torque them, you run the risk of destroying the threads with hydraulic pressure from the grease. I had a main dealer do that on an engine mount bolt on my VFR. Was a complete pig to sort. Just make sure the threads are clean and dry. If the nuts are a known weak point, replace them every other tyre change. £3 each is only an extra £60 every other year
My late father bought a very similar XK for similar money and I inherited it about a year ago, that car has also had exactly the same issues, broken wheel nuts, bad battery, rear tie rod and water leaks. Like you I managed to do all the repairs myself so kept the costs in check. I also loved the looks and the effortless power but all I could see was a future of chasing problems. I expect an equivalent German car of the same vintage would not be a lot better. Great channel, keep up the excellent content.
I hope you kept your dads Jag... Wish my dad had your dads taste in cars though.. Last thing my dad had was a clapped out Panda... Mind you he did drive it in Syracuse, so that adds points!
I think the Jaguar quote on the subframe was reasonable given the repair they would make and time involved. The 4000 for the headlights is ridiculous though! Especially when you fixed them for 15 quid! Even if they had to put new units in which i suspect they would have given the price thats a crazy amount.
They wanted £2060 for new discs and pads on my Discovery Sport. It didn't really need new discs, they said they just prefer to fit them(done less than 40,000 miles at the time). I did it with top quality pads and discs for £350. I thought since I was saving so much, I'd do the discs as well, but really maybe I shouldn't have.
I had the same wheel nut issue on my XJ8. I used a perfectly sized hole-saw on a drill. It took hours. Also ALL the old wheel nuts need replacing with NEW one-piece wheel nuts. If they are the same as the 2004 XJ8 it’s a fairly standard size, and much cheaper than even used OEM.
1) You should clean basically to bare metal, apply ground paint first, then protective paint, then thin rust protection primer, and only then after all of this, a thick layer of this black goo, to protect against sand & stones from the road. What you have done will not last long and may even make things worse. 2) Did you do the timing chains? It is a time bomb. If you did not, it may ruine the engine in a second, and then, all of your other work does not matter.
2:32 And what about the top of the subframe, which you can't see? You really should've taken it all apart and done the job right, by treating the rust, which you've just hidden under the wax oil and which will continue to rot the metal in secret.
Yes, there are several good anti rust paints that would have been a good first step. Perhaps I should also be concerned about the prep of the upper sides of the subframe that can't be seen. That's where all the mud sits. Lanoguard was mentioned but not seen. Fluid Film is a bit thicker and maybe better for those hidden areas. Do those wheel nuts have to be that complicated? I've never seen anything like those. Alternates?
40/50 years ago it was common for cars to allow water ingress, my old SD1 was always filling up! But I find it hard to believe that in this day and age most manufacturers still haven't eliminated the problem. Great video though Jack, very entertaining 👏🏻 and I'm so pleased that you saved yourself a small fortune.
I learned to brush or spray some rust converter on things like this subframe before putting another material on top. I did not really believe in this stuff before, but is amazingly efficient.
Same experience in the Netherlands: some 15 years ago I had a Daimler Super V8. At around 120k km’s the automatic gearbox broke down. The official Jaguar dealer quoted more than EUR10k for a new gearbox (coming from Mercedes Benz by the way). I turned to a specialist in restoring gearboxes. They repaired the box for EUR 2400 excl VAT. In other words: never ever go to the Jag dealer, unless you enjoy being ripped off!!
Theres a special sealant used by caravan manufacturers . For sealing aluminum panels ... doesn't react with aluminum...can be used with the standard silicone gun
Few years ago we were quoted 2 grand for replacement shock absorbers on a jaguar . The mechanic doing the mot work said they are the same as a Ford mondeo, but irdering them wouldn't be easy as you need a reg number of a mondeo that the same shocks are on , so took some pictures and went hunting at the auctions, found a car , ordered the parts and for 600 all in including labour got it sorted and through the retest.
I had an E39 BMW with "milky" headlamp covers that we polished out.I read somewhere that toothpaste works!! Can,t believe what Jag quoted you;well done for sorting your car for a fraction of that!
Amazing job indeed. Only thing i will do also is to get a can or two of cavity wax spray and go through all the holes of the subframe to make sure al the inside is wet😊
I feel your pain with those wheel nuts! - I had the same on my XJ8. The key is to replace any that have damaged caps (if they don't fall out of the 6-point socket under their own weight they are distorted), lots of copper grease every time they come off and NEVER use impact guns or 12-point sockets on them!
Charge for headlights must have been for a whole new assembly-x2(?). My local detail shop charges $35.00 per for polish and seal. Why is it that every used XK from 98' to 2014 I looked at had battery/electrical issues? Had my heart set on a beautiful XKR convert(I prefer Coupes) with a deposit on it, but, the dealer could never sort the electrical gremlins so had to pass. English rust is a serious problem for vehicles and the environment. We don't use salt in the NW/USA, we prefer sand, which has its own issues, but it isn't a rust problem which can lead to serious structural and suspension problems and devaluation of the vehicle. I once was sent out to pick up a Rambler station wagon(unibody-no frame) and when I lifted the front it broke in half. Only the roof held it together. It was from the eastern U.S states which used salt. A nice feature which wasn't available in the first Gen-XK coupe and available in the 2-Gen-XK coupe is a sun roof👍👍 Both cars are design home runs, pure eye candy. Thanks.. Geoff and Ian.
This is the problem with a lot of luxury car manufacturers. They don't see that these crazy costs hurt their brand. The attitude is if you complain about costs you shouldn't buy the car but they miss the point that you should be trying to hook more people onto your brand. If you have a good experience with a used vehicle you may well buy a new one , or certified one, from the dealer, especially if you are a young driver with more disposable income as you get older. I have the same car as N27 but the convertible (2007) and Jaguar charged $987 for a replacement antenna. I didn't pay the bill as it was damaged by another dealer. The repair was a disaster as Jaguar didn't have the exact replacement and used a modified version that made a mess of the external grommet. Their statement "that's the standard fix for this problem". I repaired the old one for $15 dollars and I have it as a spare in case it happens again. I could have had someone replace the antenna completely and replace with a Shark antenna for significantly less money. My worry from here on in is, will Jaguar exist in the future!
Great video - enjoyed it. Regarding those wheel nuts, those chrome covers over the steel nut will just rust again on the replacement nuts. Get some Toyota/Lexus wheel nuts instead, they're one piece, so you never get a problem with them, and they're exactly the same size. Do get genuine Toyota tho' - cheap Ebay copies will rust externally and look bad, although they still won't cause any problem.
As others have already suggested, the best way to deal with the subframe issues would be to remove it from the car. I would then remove all the loose rust, and treat/convert the remainder. Next I would brush paint it with a rust inhibiting paint - lots of it. The problem I see with products such as Waxoil is that they don’t last, but they do make it impossible to use alternative paint solutions later. But if you’re selling the car, maybe Waxoil is okay. Interesting video. Those leaks are annoying on so many levels, and not something you expect to find on an upmarket production car. Thank you for sharing. Peace
Jack this happened to my XK as well. I drilled out the broken stud then replaced the front wheel bearings which are likely worn anyway. They are 90 bucks and includes new studs..
Great channel Jack! Painting over rust is never a good idea though. Moisture will get underneath the paint and be trapped, which accelerates decay. Just the Lanoguard would be a better idea if you want a quick fix 🤘
Every time that I get a new car I remove all wheel nuts and lubricate the threads. That means that in the unlikely event that I need to remove a wheel when on the road I can do so. Yes I'm aware that Toyota(and maybe others, IDK) specify unlubricated wheel stud threads, but they are wrong. Their excuse is so that a nut doesn't come loose. But if a lubricated wheel nut is at German specs(good'n tight), say 100 NM, it does not self loosen.
Had a 2010 XFR. Had wheel bolts sheer of several times, I took of all the locking nuts off as they are a nightmare to get out if they break, also the screen locking out is common. The battery should sort that. Apart from that was a nice car to own.
I was quoted £6500 by a main dealer to fix an electrical problem on my '99 XKR, I managed to fix it myself with a 2nd hand part from eBay for £27 and bruised knuckles fitting it.
All hatchbacks are prone to boot leaks once the sealant starts to crack where the roof meets the c pillar. Seems to be the last thing people look at and yet it's one of the most common faults. Nice video. Cheers
I never take my car to the dealer. The 1st and last time I went i was quoted over £2000 for an oil leak. I picked up my car, found the leak myself. It was the rear brake vacuum pump (I never knew this at the time). It cost me £29 from Ebay, 5 x T30 and 15 minutes labour. I had only ever changed a wheel on a van before but now I do all my own servicing on my car.
You really need to do more to the headlights for a proper price comparison. The cloudy finish is not the polycarbonate lens, but a coating that protects it from sunlight discolouration. You’ve now polished the coating off, revealing the plastic underneath. You should now reply a protective coating otherwise, they’ll go yellow in the sun. Also I would’ve put masking tape on the mudguard when polishing the headlight, to protect the paint.
You are lucky you’re in the UK. Jags are relatively common. Here in the US cars like yours are somewhat rare and parts,new or used are pricy. You have a gem there. Enjoy it.
“get someone else to do it” is a good plan as you seem to be like me, every job, which seems so simple and straightforward, always ends up being a complicated nightmare!!
Subframe needed derusting both sides, you only did the bottom. I would have used a rust converter on everytging and a wand to get inside sections and behind stuff, then pint the waxoyl underneath.
Jack, I feel your pain with the wheel nuts. I managed to muller the locking key on my Volvo XC90 so I ended up getting a garage to chisel out the wheel bolts and I replaced them with ordinary wheel bolts from the dealer for a fiver each. I was in a similar situation with my 2009 Mercedes C200. It went to a local dealer to have the rear subframe replaced under warranty (a common problem with the W204 C-Class) and when they inspected the entire car they found quite a few other issues. I fixed most of those other issues myself and come MoT time it passed with only 3 advisories. Really, you should've applied some rust treatment to the subframe but what you did is better than nothing.
My goodness this is getting interesting. Not trying to nitpick your hard work on top of filming. Was the top of the rear suspension as nasty as the bottom? Being here in the states, your products used to do repairs was interesting. As for our use it may have been POR-15 in a kit with all the needed treatments included. Not cheap but works like a charm. Anti size would have been useful, when used sparingly. Keeping wet and dry torques in mind. Having a car with 1 year only wheels you're getting the wheels trued is so much better than throwing on some wild aftermarket wheel. I wish I had a wheel repair that was at those prices. Mine were 250.00 each. But worth every penny when done right the first time. I'm looking forward to your further adventures with this car, not to mention when the Pantera unveiling after being set free from customs. Keep em coming and THANKS for sharing. CHEERS
I may have used rust converter on the subframe before the wax oil. All you've done is uncover bare steal and sealed oxygen with it short term is OK but 4 or 5 years will need attention again
I had same wheels Senta on my XF-S and same issue with nuts. Unfortunately the guys that "knew what they were doing" did not knew what they were doing. They cut through my alloys and had to get a new ones. Now my XF-S is sitting on Selena's and I replaced the nuts with some Toyota's ones.
Jack, there's a product out of Canada called Krown rust proofing, Mike, on Britannia Restorations TH-cam channel has done tests on metal parts left out in the elements for years and it is spot on for places where you cannot clean rust right off. It has excellent "wick in" qualities and soaks into the surface to hold rusting at its current stage. Sprays on easily and once the surface stuff is dry it doesn't run off. Fish oil will provide similar protection to already rusty surfaces, (and your cat will love it).😂 You've done a good job saving all that loot, the Jag looks really nice and I should say, "your cat also looks good on the Cat".😊
yep, we've been using Krown on our Canadian cars for many years and it does a truly marvelous job - $150CDN per year on my RAV4, less 10% CAA discount, adds thousands of kms and trade-in value to the car.
A while ago I couldn't get the locking wheel nut off, it had rounded over. I called the RAC, they came out and removed it. I had to wait a couple of hours, but it didn't cost a penny. Of course, gave him a drink.
Seized wheel nuts are a common problem, mainly caused by garages who use rattle guns to tighten them. This is bad practice, especially when using the gun on the locking nut. My suggestion is tell the garage you want the wheels torqued and if they don't, go around the car at home removing one nut at a time, add a tiny touch of copper ease to the thread and re-tighten, preferably with a torque wrench. The tendency is to over tighten wheel nuts but in actual fact they don't need excessive force.
Well done on this one Jack. great car by the looks of it and what a fabulous saving on the main dealer quote, hopefully a lot of Jag owners will see this and get an independent to do their work even if the owners are unable or unwilling to carry out the work themselves.
Self spannering on cars is what I recommend to everyone. The main dealers wont help customers to save money. The flakes is typically the old powder coat. The corrosion isnt necessarily all that deep -- same with my 50 year old Mustangs, some people see that level of corrosion thinking the whole car is rotten.
My Range Rover P38 had similar bolts. They could swell under the outer cover. Fortunately I never broke one! You have a great result on those repairs - lots of reasons to feel good about it.
Your enthusiasm really is apparent in this video. No doubt that whopping saving might have something to do with it but now in theory you have a well sorted car for reasonable money.
I had the same issues with my 997.1 Porsche I owned new from 11/2005 till 9/2016. Main dealers have lost the concept (or the ability/skill) of "Repair" and its all about replace whether its engine, gearbox, suspension or headlights. Fine if you have paid £1100 pa for a full Porsche warranty but when you let don't renew the warranty & take it for its service & they give you a list of "recommended" items for replacement running to thousands of pounds when the car has covered 43k in 13 years they are taking the P155.
Great Job Jack! I'm not sure if it's true with the 4.2 cars, but with the 5.0 cars you need to have the new battery programed to the car so that it will charge correctly. Battery issues can cause endless headaches with these beauties, so just make sure that new battery will last. Cheers
I really enjoy this sort of video. It's what got me hooked back in the Ferrari repair days. The craziest estimate you quoted from Jag has the be the headlamp work. So easy (and cheap) to just routinely buff out the headlamp housing. Keep it coming!
Jack, next time you polish headlights, I recommend putting masking tape on the paint around the lights first, as it's easy to accidentally polish through the paint on the edges of the panels. it lets you see if you're going past the edge of the light too often, and gives the paint a touch of protection before it starts to burn off.
he's also better spraying them with a few coats of clear coat to seal in the hard work, if he doesn't he will be buffing them on a yearly basis
@@g.d2450 Exactly. If you do not put a UV resistent clear on the "glass," the lamps wil look blind again after a short while.
100% correct
He'll need to polish them every few months they dull up again very quickly.
@@g.d2450 or buy a headlight polish , every time you clean the car use that .
The reason Jag would have quoted £2600 for the subframe will be mainly labour. In this situation you really need to take the subframe out of the car, remove all rust down to bare metal and then paint/waxoyl it while its out of the car. What you've done is basically put a rust proof layer on top of rust. This will stop new moisture getting into the subframes metal, but it won't stop the rust you left from spreading underneath the coating. So it will look all nice and new, but the metal will continue to deteriorate.
@Lookup2Wakeup Fair enough, I got a quote for my 370Z rear subframe in similar condition and they were going to restore instead of replace it, hence the assumption
@@SuicidalHAMMERx Probably depends if the part is available in a reasonable time and at a reasonable cost if they offer to repair it or not.
@Lookup2Wakeupthe quote was for a new subframe, but what he's done will be perfectly fine for years now. I did similar to my Polo 10 years ago and it's still good now, although I did use Hammerite smooth black.
The rear subframe issue is similar to that being experienced by many VH platform era Aston Martins (2004 onwards). I’m afraid clearing off the rust and putting wax will only mask the problem. As the OP has said, the only real treatment is removal, blasting and powder coating. A big job but worth it if you plan to keep the car for more than a couple of years. Otherwise you’ll end up with an MOT failure.
There is absolutely no way any Main-dealer, like Jaguar, would start rubbing or even blasting a rusty subframe down to bare metal and repainting it these days. They may replace it with a completely new part.
Personally I'd have put a neutraliser on the rusty sub-frame to prevent corrosion coming back under the waxoil. I also always put copper ease on wheel bolts and the hub facing surfaces; does make life easier thereafter. Looks like it's turning into a really usable and still gorgeous car.
Yes… wasted opportunity to paint on some Jenolite or Kurust…. would have preserved the metalwork much better…
I like vactan it gives good long lasting results over rust and followed up by paint as it's self priming. And for extra duration lanoguard a couple of months later. I tested vactan on a old rusty shovel and left it outside with a coat of enamel paint as it isn't UV resistant and 12 months later and no rust. It's a summer job as ambient temperature has to be above 18 degrees when treated.
Subframe off the car, and then powdercoat would be my route. This depends on the price of a new subframe tho. The rubbers also need to be replaced at one point, this might be a way of pushing the subframe off job forward for some time. I just rebushed the frame on my e32 beemer and it's a lot of work.. Not a driveway winter job at all
Be careful putting copper ease on bolts that need torquing up,can lead to over tightening the fasteners,better to use normal lubricant
Yes, anti-seize on the lug nuts, judiciously! Can you obtain POR-15 there?
The headlights will need a coat of UV resistant lacquer to last, else you'll need to polish them again in 12-18 months as they will go cloudy again. No biggie, but worth getting them coated in my personal opinion.
Great advice and was looking into exactly this kind of option!
Bodyshop would coat them with 2k laquer for not to much money.But after polishing give them a good coat of wax ,keep on top of them and they should last
2pac or 2K? Could be brought in a tin and done yourself@@LOTPOR0402
@@Number27 I have had good results wrapping them with special headlight wrap on a W211 Merc. Clear coat(paint) will distort your beam, i wouldn't do that. Special coating as factory did seems to be hard to find.
@@djpierre4613 I have clearcoated many restored plastic lenses. The key is to use an airbrush rather than a can of spray paint. On a macro level, you can see rattle-can applications are actually larger paint droplets that coat in uneven layers, whereas a good airbrush technique applies the paint as a fine mist. No lens distortion that way. Or at least not in any measurable way.
Jaguar wheel bolts breaking is a common problem because people invariably overtighten them. The correct torque is 125Nm but this feels loose as there is less resistance from the bolts as they have flat seats with a rotating captive washer rather than tapered seats that most people are used to doing up, so they are tempted to give them an extra tweak which causes the bolts to stretch. You could have saved some money calling in the pro's though Jack, as a drill and a 20mm hole saw is all that is needed to cut the flat seat off and release the wheel without damaging it. Also, bad idea to use anti-seizing compound on the stud threads as this also leads to over-torquing as the slip from the compound will cause a torque wrench to under-read and also exacerbate the low-resistance feel of the correct torque setting.
I also refurbed a similarly crusty looking Jaguar XF subframe but I did it off the car. Ground-off the worst of the rust with a disk and spinning wire brush then dipped the whole thing in phosphoric acid to neutralise any rust I couldn't see. Then gave it two coats of acid-etch primer followed by two coats of chassis black. The factory coating is just a thin film of black paint straight on to the metal that offers zero protection after 5-6 years and then the deterioration accelerates.
I pretty much agree with everything you say, except regarding the wheel nuts. I have seen this so many times - if no grease of any kind is put on the wheel nut threads, or studs, then, if the wheel is not removed for a long period, it is inevitable that they will corrode, and seize up, due to water ingress. There are different kinds of things you could use, like graphite grease, but I have always used waterproof grease, and then checked my wheel nuts regularly to make sure they are tight. I totally get what you're saying about a lubricant throwing off the torque wrench setting, yes, that's possible, but a small amount of over tightening is a small price to pay to prevent seizure, which is a potential nightmare, if only discovered far from home with a punctured/wrecked tyre.
A good torque wrench is worth its weight in gold, and people need to learn to trust the reading.
There must surely be another way - some form of Loctite, which is designed to repel moisture, but is easily 'broken' with hand tools. It would do the job of preventing seizure, but without actually being a lubricant. Perhaps this would affect the torquing a bit, but less than something which is actually a grease.
Take it from an old man who knows from experience, don't pull the wheel brace up to loosen or tighten. Lean down on it or you'll bugger your back.
I would've personally put some rust converter on the subframe as all you've done with the wax oil is lock in the rust which will make it worse long term. I see it all the time. You need to get rid of the rust first.
I was going to say that just before I read you comment. I applied just waxoyl to my caravan chassis and the rust just formed underneath it and the coating just dropped off after about a year. I then used kurust followed by hammerite followed by waxoyl and that’s doing fine after four years so far.
Waxoyl has built in rust inhibitors
@@user-rf9me7xm1w yeah it makes a right mess. I never understand why people put this straight over rust.
@@jimmyjt16 thats how its designed, it has rust inhibitors in it
You on,y need one hole allowing oxygen in and it continues ,Quie a distance Preperation on any surface is key to a job that lasts and does what it’s meant to do .
It's great to see you back on the spanners, Jack! As much as I love your reviews, this content is what it's all about 👍
Agreed👍
Also agreed
In part I agree, but I have to say Jack has some real talent communicating to us the character of a vehicle. He is one of only a very few I'd listen to. I loved hearing his comments and real enjoyment in the Europa and some of the Lancias, Fiats and Alfas. Really got it spot on.
yup quality VID !!
Great result and just shows how much you can save on dealer quotes. However, I think the subframe refurb is a bit misleading, as you've only really (so it would seem) got the crap off and sealed the bits you can physically get to. You would really need to drop it and take off all the ancillary bits to do it properly. Just sayin'.
If you have to attack the lights again, please use tape around the surrounding bodywork.
Jack, it was a good 'temporary' fix on the rear subframe - but on my 1996 XK8 (which rot a lot more than the X150's) I removed my rear subframe and for a piece of steel that had lived under the car for over a quarter of a century it was surprisingly good. However I removed the orignal paint and rust spots, wire wheeled, applied a chemical rust proofer and primer and then two coats of POR15. I also did this to the support brackets and struts. Hopefully it should last another couple decades!
You attempted fixing things, whilst the dealer quoted you to replace faulty items, that's what main dealers do. they quoted mainly replacement not repair or refurbish.
I also had a wheel nut break on me, 2015 jag XE, I saw a youtuber use a hole saw fractionally larger than the stud to cut through the remains of the nut and it worked for me. Nut excess came away, wheel slid over what remains on the stud, using mole grips to unwind the remainder off the stud. 10 minute job.
I’m glad you got the wheel sorted, but this happened to me. Easy fix is to buy a 20mm hole cutter and put it on your drill, it fits over the sheared nut and when you drill it out to the spinning ring collar so won’t damage your wheel. It takes 30 seconds to drill off. Very easy fix. 👍🏻
If you don't already, I suggest only using single hex sockets on those kind of wheel nuts. Double hex ones can damage the this shells and they turn or get stuck in the socket.
Found this out the hard way!!
Similarly I'd avoid using an impact wrench to undo or tighten them as it will break them with no warning. Use a socket and bar to undo and a torque wrench to tighten.
The air gun - what a horrible thing to do to your wheel-nuts!
It was a strong arm and socket snapped mine. I'd have thought the gun would sit on nut better but I'm no pro 🤷♂️
It's exactly what all tyre replacement companies use!
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It's funny over here in the states same thing? I drive a porsche and a Volvo. once warranty is up I rarely ever go to the them the manufacturing dealer. they've priced themselves pretty much out of everybody's pocket. . It's nice when a tech hangs around long enough to get their certification, then starts his own shop for half of what the dealers charge. Love the jag
The subframe/suspension “fix” is very temporary.
Not bad to do and it will buy you some time definitely but I would have removed the thing and either wirewheeled it or better sandblasted it. Then painted it properly and coating it after that.
Agreed l too would have removed the sub frame
& would have blasted &
had it powder coated 😮
( note you didn't do the
frame on the body side
so the rust will eat through it 😭😭🙄🙄
Wire wheel on a rotary should knock down all the flaky rust. Quicker and cleaner too!
Main dealers don't want to fix cars out of warranty, they just want to sell you a new one! Hence the walk past the latest models to the service centres. Great advice for you with the comments you have received.
A good seam sealer is 'Wurth'. You can use an ordinary mastic gun to apply it but there is a gun the uses compressed air. It's a 'wet on wet' product so you can paint spray it when it is tacky. I have to say I think your silicon will be fine but just for reference I would mentioned 'Wurth'. You did a good job on the headlights but personally I would have put masking tape on the bodywork so you don't hit the paint. Anyway none of that is meant as a negative comment. Those wheels were a bit pear shaped so good that they are now straight. We know that a fair part of the Jaguar estimate would be labour costs and they would of course have used new parts so you can see where the money goes. Overall a Great job (or jobs) done Jack and good that you had access to a ramp which made life easier. 👍👍
Hello Again, I had the same very common issue with the wheel nuts on XF, two snaped, cost £40 to remove what was left, the guy who removed them recommended new nuts, I bought a complete set of 20 x M21 solid polished stainless nuts (which better suit the car) for £28 delivered, no more problems. Regards, RichardA.
My wife's Honda Jazz has the same stud and bolt design and I managed to shear two at the same time whilst attempting to fit the winter tyres and rims a few years ago. The first one I did whilst trying to loosen the third of five, the second one when refitting the second bolt I'd originally removed! At that point I had to walk away, count to ten and take few deep breaths!
"They wanted £2600 for sorting out the subframe so I saved £2600 by not sorting out the subframe." Thanks Jack, nice one 😂
That " bolt" you were holding in your hand is actually a nut,the bit you sheared on the car is called a stud.
Problems with a rusty subframe are best fixed by a serious attempt to clean with a power wire brush then apply phosphoric acid liberally to all areas. Next morning wash with soapy water then dry with a heat gun and apply zinc primer as soon as the metal is dry then finish with a heavy coat of a bituminous paint. If you are really clever and plan to keep the car for a while then consider fitting zinc anodes to the underside of the car.
22 mm hole saw will take enough off the broken wheel nut for the wheel to slip off. Just take your time and plenty of lubricant.You can then remove the broken nut with a pair of mole grips. I had to do 3 on my XF a couple of years ago. I used a Starret hole saw. If the cap comes off you need an 18mm socket. It’s now possible to buy nuts that are machined from solid.
Dealing with rusty , seized nuts is part of the pain/satisfaction on working on your own old cars .My sons BMW E46 318i, needed the starter motor replacing, whoever did the job previously totally knackerd the E12 bolts, took us 3 hours to get the starter motor of, very poor access due to the bellhousing. I bought new bolts from the dealer and had the new starter motor fitted in 15 minuets !!
Please do not take this too negatively, until today I'd never heard of the channel and i am now subscribed.
But when a channel does a budget build it's relatable. It helps us proles feel like it's something we can achieve.
The second someone does something as a gesture of good will that you would've paid for, that relatability is hurt.
Although I am glad you still added that money to the list at the end. There's a lot of channels that don't add it in. Still an amazing saving.
Hello, for the rusty rear subframe. Clean all with wire brush and other means as good as it gets. Then usage Unitor Metalbrite, see instructions and follow. Then go with Apexior paint and follow makers recommendations. All the best.
Hello Jack. Great to see you getting your hands dirty again! For the subframe, or just rusty parts in general, a rust converter is a great step before wax oil treatment. In theory, encasing the part in wax oil should inhibit the rusting process, but if/when the wax oil chips away, you're back to square one. A UV clear coat on the headlights will keep them looking clear for longer.
Do you ever use copper grease to stop bolts rusting solid? It's what we use on pushbikes for things like crank nuts which tend to be exposed to a lot of moisture. Great job by the way on a really nice-looking car.
I did exactly that when I put all the bolts back on.. bit of copaslip!
Nooooo! These nuts are meant to be torqued up dry. If you grease the threads then torque them, you run the risk of destroying the threads with hydraulic pressure from the grease.
I had a main dealer do that on an engine mount bolt on my VFR. Was a complete pig to sort.
Just make sure the threads are clean and dry. If the nuts are a known weak point, replace them every other tyre change. £3 each is only an extra £60 every other year
@@MacBobthat's not correct, you just need to torque to a lower figure than dry, roughly 30% less torque.
@@Low760 on wheel nuts??? I'd personally rather know that they were properly done up and replace them every so often
My late father bought a very similar XK for similar money and I inherited it about a year ago, that car has also had exactly the same issues, broken wheel nuts, bad battery, rear tie rod and water leaks. Like you I managed to do all the repairs myself so kept the costs in check. I also loved the looks and the effortless power but all I could see was a future of chasing problems. I expect an equivalent German car of the same vintage would not be a lot better. Great channel, keep up the excellent content.
a german car of the same vintage would be no better id prefer the jag but hey ho!!
I hope you kept your dads Jag... Wish my dad had your dads taste in cars though.. Last thing my dad had was a clapped out Panda... Mind you he did drive it in Syracuse, so that adds points!
I think the Jaguar quote on the subframe was reasonable given the repair they would make and time involved. The 4000 for the headlights is ridiculous though! Especially when you fixed them for 15 quid! Even if they had to put new units in which i suspect they would have given the price thats a crazy amount.
Thing is it helps if you know someone with a lift ,working underneath these cars on axle stands in december Is no party
I agree absolutely 👍
They wanted £2060 for new discs and pads on my Discovery Sport.
It didn't really need new discs, they said they just prefer to fit them(done less than 40,000 miles at the time).
I did it with top quality pads and discs for £350. I thought since I was saving so much, I'd do the discs as well, but really maybe I shouldn't have.
As a proud, Canadian, owner of an '07 XKR, I appreciate your content, Jack! Looking forward to more! Thank you!
I had the same wheel nut issue on my XJ8. I used a perfectly sized hole-saw on a drill. It took hours.
Also ALL the old wheel nuts need replacing with NEW one-piece wheel nuts. If they are the same as the 2004 XJ8 it’s a fairly standard size, and much cheaper than even used OEM.
1) You should clean basically to bare metal, apply ground paint first, then protective paint, then thin rust protection primer, and only then after all of this, a thick layer of this black goo, to protect against sand & stones from the road. What you have done will not last long and may even make things worse.
2) Did you do the timing chains? It is a time bomb. If you did not, it may ruine the engine in a second, and then, all of your other work does not matter.
2:32 And what about the top of the subframe, which you can't see? You really should've taken it all apart and done the job right, by treating the rust, which you've just hidden under the wax oil and which will continue to rot the metal in secret.
I'm a panel beater and painter, but I quite enjoy mopping up headlights aswell. Quick n easy, and the results are satisfying.
imo only seal the outside of panel joints,. allows any moisture to come out rather than be sealed in, lets you see if the outside seal has worked,
Probably should have used kurust first to turn the rust to good metal then underseal or wax oyl. Good vid though.
Yes, there are several good anti rust paints that would have been a good first step. Perhaps I should also be concerned about the prep of the upper sides of the subframe that can't be seen. That's where all the mud sits. Lanoguard was mentioned but not seen. Fluid Film is a bit thicker and maybe better for those hidden areas. Do those wheel nuts have to be that complicated? I've never seen anything like those. Alternates?
Love this channel but surely it's a wheel nut that broke, the 'bolt' is the threaded bit that comes out from the hub to put the nuts onto........
40/50 years ago it was common for cars to allow water ingress, my old SD1 was always filling up! But I find it hard to believe that in this day and age most manufacturers still haven't eliminated the problem. Great video though Jack, very entertaining 👏🏻 and I'm so pleased that you saved yourself a small fortune.
They don’t want them to last
Some brands are better than others. It proves to me how shoddy executive brands are. They're all flash and marketing.
I learned to brush or spray some rust converter on things like this subframe before putting another material on top. I did not really believe in this stuff before, but is amazingly efficient.
Seam sealer very good at fixing gaps between panels when you have leaks in boot.
Imo you should have dropped the subframe and prepped both sides properly and not used that black gunk but it’s only my opinion
A real pain with the wheel bolt, but it's still better to happen on your driveway than on the hard shoulder of a motorway at 11pm in sub-zero sleet.
Mind you, 1 missing wheel nut doesn't mean to say the wheel will drop off immediately, not ideal obviously, but safe enough to get home.
Same experience in the Netherlands: some 15 years ago I had a Daimler Super V8. At around 120k km’s the automatic gearbox broke down. The official Jaguar dealer quoted more than EUR10k for a new gearbox (coming from Mercedes Benz by the way). I turned to a specialist in restoring gearboxes. They repaired the box for EUR 2400 excl VAT.
In other words: never ever go to the Jag dealer, unless you enjoy being ripped off!!
Theres a special sealant used by caravan manufacturers . For sealing aluminum panels ... doesn't react with aluminum...can be used with the standard silicone gun
This is what you do best Jack. I do like the reviews but this is your real strength. Very entertaining and informative content.
I would have liked to have seen how Smart Rims straighten out the wheels for you.
Unfortunately we didn’t have the time for me to stick around and film that. Perhaps for a future episode?
Few years ago we were quoted 2 grand for replacement shock absorbers on a jaguar . The mechanic doing the mot work said they are the same as a Ford mondeo, but irdering them wouldn't be easy as you need a reg number of a mondeo that the same shocks are on , so took some pictures and went hunting at the auctions, found a car , ordered the parts and for 600 all in including labour got it sorted and through the retest.
I had an E39 BMW with "milky" headlamp covers that we polished out.I read somewhere that toothpaste works!! Can,t believe what Jag quoted you;well done for sorting your car for a fraction of that!
Amazing job indeed. Only thing i will do also is to get a can or two of cavity wax spray and go through all the holes of the subframe to make sure al the inside is wet😊
I feel your pain with those wheel nuts! - I had the same on my XJ8. The key is to replace any that have damaged caps (if they don't fall out of the 6-point socket under their own weight they are distorted), lots of copper grease every time they come off and NEVER use impact guns or 12-point sockets on them!
On my Jag XJ I replaced them all with Toyota wheel nuts. They are significantly stronger and fit perfectly.
Nice work, congrats. You might want to lacquer the headlights with Meguiar's headlight protection or whatever they have in the UK to protect them.
Can also vouch for tanya batterys. Next day delivery and normally cheapest great service.
Charge for headlights must have been for a whole new assembly-x2(?). My local detail shop charges $35.00 per for polish and seal.
Why is it that every used XK from 98' to 2014 I looked at had battery/electrical issues? Had my heart set on a beautiful XKR convert(I prefer Coupes) with a deposit on it, but, the dealer could never sort the electrical gremlins so had to pass.
English rust is a serious problem for vehicles and the environment. We don't use salt in the NW/USA, we prefer sand, which has its own issues, but it isn't a rust problem which can lead to serious structural and suspension problems and devaluation of the vehicle.
I once was sent out to pick up a Rambler station wagon(unibody-no frame) and when I lifted the front it broke in half. Only the roof held it together. It was from the eastern U.S states which used salt.
A nice feature which wasn't available in the first Gen-XK coupe and available in the 2-Gen-XK coupe is a sun roof👍👍 Both cars are design home runs, pure eye candy. Thanks.. Geoff and Ian.
Use a 20mm hole cutter in a drill for the broken wheel nuts, takes about 1 min a nut.
This is the problem with a lot of luxury car manufacturers. They don't see that these crazy costs hurt their brand. The attitude is if you complain about costs you shouldn't buy the car but they miss the point that you should be trying to hook more people onto your brand. If you have a good experience with a used vehicle you may well buy a new one , or certified one, from the dealer, especially if you are a young driver with more disposable income as you get older. I have the same car as N27 but the convertible (2007) and Jaguar charged $987 for a replacement antenna. I didn't pay the bill as it was damaged by another dealer. The repair was a disaster as Jaguar didn't have the exact replacement and used a modified version that made a mess of the external grommet. Their statement "that's the standard fix for this problem". I repaired the old one for $15 dollars and I have it as a spare in case it happens again. I could have had someone replace the antenna completely and replace with a Shark antenna for significantly less money. My worry from here on in is, will Jaguar exist in the future!
Great video - enjoyed it. Regarding those wheel nuts, those chrome covers over the steel nut will just rust again on the replacement nuts. Get some Toyota/Lexus wheel nuts instead, they're one piece, so you never get a problem with them, and they're exactly the same size. Do get genuine Toyota tho' - cheap Ebay copies will rust externally and look bad, although they still won't cause any problem.
As others have already suggested, the best way to deal with the subframe issues would be to remove it from the car. I would then remove all the loose rust, and treat/convert the remainder. Next I would brush paint it with a rust inhibiting paint - lots of it.
The problem I see with products such as Waxoil is that they don’t last, but they do make it impossible to use alternative paint solutions later. But if you’re selling the car, maybe Waxoil is okay.
Interesting video. Those leaks are annoying on so many levels, and not something you expect to find on an upmarket production car.
Thank you for sharing.
Peace
Jack this happened to my XK as well. I drilled out the broken stud then replaced the front wheel bearings which are likely worn anyway. They are 90 bucks and includes new studs..
Great channel Jack! Painting over rust is never a good idea though. Moisture will get underneath the paint and be trapped, which accelerates decay. Just the Lanoguard would be a better idea if you want a quick fix 🤘
Every time that I get a new car I remove all wheel nuts and lubricate the threads. That means that in the unlikely event that I need to remove a wheel when on the road I can do so. Yes I'm aware that Toyota(and maybe others, IDK) specify unlubricated wheel stud threads, but they are wrong. Their excuse is so that a nut doesn't come loose. But if a lubricated wheel nut is at German specs(good'n tight), say 100 NM, it does not self loosen.
Had a 2010 XFR. Had wheel bolts sheer of several times, I took of all the locking nuts off as they are a nightmare to get out if they break, also the screen locking out is common. The battery should sort that. Apart from that was a nice car to own.
I was quoted £6500 by a main dealer to fix an electrical problem on my '99 XKR, I managed to fix it myself with a 2nd hand part from eBay for £27 and bruised knuckles fitting it.
All hatchbacks are prone to boot leaks once the sealant starts to crack where the roof meets the c pillar. Seems to be the last thing people look at and yet it's one of the most common faults. Nice video. Cheers
I had those bolts on my Discovery. I changed them all for solid stainless steel ones I would definitely recommend.
I never take my car to the dealer. The 1st and last time I went i was quoted over £2000 for an oil leak. I picked up my car, found the leak myself. It was the rear brake vacuum pump (I never knew this at the time). It cost me £29 from Ebay, 5 x T30 and 15 minutes labour. I had only ever changed a wheel on a van before but now I do all my own servicing on my car.
You really need to do more to the headlights for a proper price comparison. The cloudy finish is not the polycarbonate lens, but a coating that protects it from sunlight discolouration. You’ve now polished the coating off, revealing the plastic underneath. You should now reply a protective coating otherwise, they’ll go yellow in the sun. Also I would’ve put masking tape on the mudguard when polishing the headlight, to protect the paint.
Hey! Yes I’m looking into the best way to continue to protect them.. will apply a laquer.
You are lucky you’re in the UK. Jags are relatively common. Here in the US cars like yours are somewhat rare and parts,new or used are pricy. You have a gem there. Enjoy it.
“get someone else to do it” is a good plan as you seem to be like me, every job, which seems so simple and straightforward, always ends up being a complicated nightmare!!
a needlegun is great for taking loose rust off undersides of cars. really loud, but inexpensive and nothing works better.
I replaced all of my XK wheel nuts with Toyota oem factory chrome mag single piece lug nuts size 12X1.5 for $26.
Subframe needed derusting both sides, you only did the bottom. I would have used a rust converter on everytging and a wand to get inside sections and behind stuff, then pint the waxoyl underneath.
I just finished watching Ed China using a CRC rust removing product, that would have worked a treat on the subframe.
Jack, I feel your pain with the wheel nuts. I managed to muller the locking key on my Volvo XC90 so I ended up getting a garage to chisel out the wheel bolts and I replaced them with ordinary wheel bolts from the dealer for a fiver each. I was in a similar situation with my 2009 Mercedes C200. It went to a local dealer to have the rear subframe replaced under warranty (a common problem with the W204 C-Class) and when they inspected the entire car they found quite a few other issues. I fixed most of those other issues myself and come MoT time it passed with only 3 advisories. Really, you should've applied some rust treatment to the subframe but what you did is better than nothing.
My goodness this is getting interesting. Not trying to nitpick your hard work on top of filming. Was the top of the rear suspension as nasty as the bottom? Being here in the states, your products used to do repairs was interesting. As for our use it may have been POR-15 in a kit with all the needed treatments included. Not cheap but works like a charm. Anti size would have been useful, when used sparingly. Keeping wet and dry torques in mind. Having a car with 1 year only wheels you're getting the wheels trued is so much better than throwing on some wild aftermarket wheel. I wish I had a wheel repair that was at those prices. Mine were 250.00 each. But worth every penny when done right the first time. I'm looking forward to your further adventures with this car, not to mention when the Pantera unveiling after being set free from customs. Keep em coming and THANKS for sharing. CHEERS
I may have used rust converter on the subframe before the wax oil. All you've done is uncover bare steal and sealed oxygen with it short term is OK but 4 or 5 years will need attention again
Suggest rust converter on the subframe after wire brushing, but it’s too late now. Good luck.
I used Neutrarust 661 on my T5 subframe and it provides excellent aesthetic improvements before applying Lanoguard
I had same wheels Senta on my XF-S and same issue with nuts. Unfortunately the guys that "knew what they were doing" did not knew what they were doing. They cut through my alloys and had to get a new ones. Now my XF-S is sitting on Selena's and I replaced the nuts with some Toyota's ones.
Jack, there's a product out of Canada called Krown rust proofing, Mike, on Britannia Restorations TH-cam channel has done tests on metal parts left out in the elements for years and it is spot on for places where you cannot clean rust right off. It has excellent "wick in" qualities and soaks into the surface to hold rusting at its current stage. Sprays on easily and once the surface stuff is dry it doesn't run off. Fish oil will provide similar protection to already rusty surfaces, (and your cat will love it).😂
You've done a good job saving all that loot, the Jag looks really nice and I should say, "your cat also looks good on the Cat".😊
yep, we've been using Krown on our Canadian cars for many years and it does a truly marvelous job - $150CDN per year on my RAV4, less 10% CAA discount, adds thousands of kms and trade-in value to the car.
A while ago I couldn't get the locking wheel nut off, it had rounded over. I called the RAC, they came out and removed it. I had to wait a couple of hours, but it didn't cost a penny. Of course, gave him a drink.
Seized wheel nuts are a common problem, mainly caused by garages who use rattle guns to tighten them. This is bad practice, especially when using the gun on the locking nut. My suggestion is tell the garage you want the wheels torqued and if they don't, go around the car at home removing one nut at a time, add a tiny touch of copper ease to the thread and re-tighten, preferably with a torque wrench. The tendency is to over tighten wheel nuts but in actual fact they don't need excessive force.
Well done on this one Jack. great car by the looks of it and what a fabulous saving on the main dealer quote, hopefully a lot of Jag owners will see this and get an independent to do their work even if the owners are unable or unwilling to carry out the work themselves.
Self spannering on cars is what I recommend to everyone. The main dealers wont help customers to save money. The flakes is typically the old powder coat. The corrosion isnt necessarily all that deep -- same with my 50 year old Mustangs, some people see that level of corrosion thinking the whole car is rotten.
My Range Rover P38 had similar bolts. They could swell under the outer cover. Fortunately I never broke one! You have a great result on those repairs - lots of reasons to feel good about it.
Thanks chap!! Yes.. the RRs are infamous for it too!
You have to rip on those bolts if you feel like they are stuck on rather than just brute force push or pull
Use a wire brush attachment for a drill on the sub frame will bring it up a treat
Great video. Love the look of that car. I've fond memories of driving around in my fathers Jaguars.. every trip felt like an event.
Had a few jags over the years first job has always been to replace all wheel nuts .
Well done Jack! I love seeing the economy minded approach to repairs!
Jack, close up of the fix for leaking boot. I have exactly the same issue, any chance of some close up pics please
Your enthusiasm really is apparent in this video.
No doubt that whopping saving might have something to do with it but now in theory you have a well sorted car for reasonable money.
I had the same issues with my 997.1 Porsche I owned new from 11/2005 till 9/2016. Main dealers have lost the concept (or the ability/skill) of "Repair" and its all about replace whether its engine, gearbox, suspension or headlights. Fine if you have paid £1100 pa for a full Porsche warranty but when you let don't renew the warranty & take it for its service & they give you a list of "recommended" items for replacement running to thousands of pounds when the car has covered 43k in 13 years they are taking the P155.
Great Job Jack! I'm not sure if it's true with the 4.2 cars, but with the 5.0 cars you need to have the new battery programed to the car so that it will charge correctly. Battery issues can cause endless headaches with these beauties, so just make sure that new battery will last. Cheers
Great job! My London Bus route was the No 27, out of Stamford Brook garage (V) Chalk Farm to Richmond
Cool! Thanks for watching 🙏
I really enjoy this sort of video. It's what got me hooked back in the Ferrari repair days. The craziest estimate you quoted from Jag has the be the headlamp work. So easy (and cheap) to just routinely buff out the headlamp housing. Keep it coming!