Faith without works is dead. I’ve always been in agreement with that one. It makes sense, we can talk all we want about lifestyle change, but without taking action, nothing changes. Gabe, I think you’re doing good. You said No! to hash. That’s a Huge Victory! Keep going! Things are going to get Better! Life is general in hard. Add post acute withdrawal syndrome to it, and it feels even worse, but Spring Time is Coming!!! Everything Will Get Better.🌼🌟🌻🌸🌺🌷
Gabe, you’re doing amazing! I’m back on frikken .25 mg a day. It’s soooo stupid and seemingly pointless to take. But I couldn’t handle the heart flutters and anxiety. I’m going to try again for sure on Summer Break and sweat it out in the sun at the pool. I’m sooooo close. Ugh!
Anony mous micro dosing helps give your brain time to adjust plus keeps you clean so better to be that low and clean as it’s such an insignificant amount that it reduces side effects and helps your brain to slowly adjust to nothing as your receptors adjust as at 2 mg your brains receptors are about half covered so at .2 well you are barely activating the receptors also I hear DLPA supplement is amazing for anxiety paws and helping your brain start producing endorphins again best of luck I’m at .4 slow and low exercise diet are key You’ve done amazing
Anony mous -Summer break would be a good time to get off. I know you were off for 20 plus days recently?... I’m I correct? And teaching, it’s very tough. Just plan it out and put all the eggs into the next basket and you can do it! It can and will be done! Don’t be to hard on yourself. It’s all part of the game.
Anony mous u r only taking .25 Dailey... I jumped when I was at that point and on day 49 clean and doing just fine buddy... U can do it if u want. It feels good being this clean with no crutches. God Bless you
Thanks for the video. I'm on day 135 right now I jumped off 10mg (I was on them for 10-11 years) and I feel like sh*t. Your videos help me out a lot. Much appreciated
Joe M -Good for you! Keep pushing my friend! There are people who don’t think it’s possible to jump like u did and stay clean! Prove em wrong!!! Keep it up brother! Congrats on 135! We will beat this together! God bless
I had a real good two week stretch. Then I got off work on Wednesday and I could feel the bottom drop out mentally. I went on to feel extremely lethargic, depressed almost to a point of despair as you said. And even physical symtoms. This around day 100. It has been 5 days and I finally feel myself coming out of it a little bit. It is definitely a bipolar ride. You are the first person that I have heard talk about this bipolar stuff deep into paws and it definitely is the case for me. I thought I would be mostly out of the woods by this point but whatever it takes.
Bark -Prepare for that kinda stuff to happen for the next few months. Don’t fear it. Just be ready for it. I got a video called manic depression during opiate WD. I’ve talked to so many people who have gotten diagnosed with being bi-polar during the post acute withdrawals. The mental stuff can be hard but just keep moving forward. Appreciate you watching
Good video man, you're right about fearing the acute withdrawal. The acute withdrawal is nothing. Does not matter how much you taper you eventually have to pay the piper. Don't use any drugs though man, you will get there. I always looked at paws as doing time in the prison of the mind, it did lift for me though and it will for you. I have not had paws symptoms in a few years now.
fraggle rock -Amen brother! Using any drugs isn’t the answer and it can be the beginning of the end a lot of times. Appreciate you watching and your comment my friend.
@@gabemccall3523 no problem man, just keep reminding yourself of all the reasons you are doing this. Play the tape through as they say in NA. I'm sure you will have a positive update for us sooner rather then later. It's the nature of this roller coaster of mental health problems spawned by our addictions.
Well said Gabe! Thank you for making this video I’ve been on .8 far too long. And you’re right I feel bipolar, which made me take more about four times since I’ve been on .8. I really can’t handle the agitation. If I go down in dose which I’m waiting on Friday to do that when I get 2 milligrams strips. After watching this video honestly I don’t know if I can make it. Anxiety is going to kill me. Right now I feel stable without anxiety but once I drop again ??? I wish I never found out about Suboxone. Your ideas of videos are great this one especially. You talk about the long-haul, you talk about the fear of continuous tapering. I needed to hear that!
Laurie P -Once u get your new strips. Give the drop in mg a try?.. if you can’t do it then u can’t. It doesn’t mean you can’t get off Suboxone for good by any means. Just dip your toes in the water. The taper can be really difficult! Cause it takes a mental toughness that can be hard to overcome bc we have extra subs or we know in the back of our mind it’s not full on relapse so it’s easier to justify. I did the very same stuff. You can do it! Don’t let that anxiety get to strong. But I know it’s hard and it’s human nature.
I'm 9 months off 14 years of methadone and still cant work full time, i literally have to do odd jobs and ubers on my good days, its got alot better but months 3-8 were brutal for me
Allan Cooney -You are right there my friend. Set that date if u can and taper as low as u can before that date. But regardless jump on that date u set. That would be my advice “if” your ready. If you’re not ready don’t even waste your time yet. Ultimately you do it when YOU r ready. God bless
Allan Cooney I was on Subs also after around 8 yrs on hard opioids. Subs fm around Oct 2018- Jan 2020. I tapered to .5 most days of the wk and about every 3rd day thru-out was .5 every 12 hrs. So it was .5 and 1mg daily for 14 months. Today I'm 49 days clean off Subs and kicking this things ass one day at a time also you can do this to Allen. Like Gabe says you gotta be ready and want this though! When you jump ---Jump with all your might. Good Luck for you. It can be done!! God Bless
Glad you got sleep the last two days. After about 3 days of 2-3 hrs a night, I actually got 5-6 hrs straight last night. Your prob doing better than you think right now. We'll have these.. "not so good days" so really not bad, right... positive thinking:) I thought about smoking a joint too last wk cause I was so tired and miserable but didn't... prob cause I didn't have any haha! No I can't and won't and will hang in here.... Another day Clean good freind. Thanks for sharing again:) Peace n love God Bless. Btw, remember the weight you've lost and how good you feel cause of it. I'm still struggling to lose about 20 lbs cause I'm a borderline dietetic and Don't want to become one so I know when I get close to weighing 200lbs I start getting headaches and really down on myself. Then I'll go out and run extra just to get back down under 200. Nway this compounded with paws for me makes me have ..."not so good days" most days of the wk:) but one hr one day another Victory right!!!:)
Tod Harper -Glad you got some better sleep to my friend! R u about 50 days clean now??? Getting clean right? Appreciate your comment as always too brother!
Laughing my a** off at the beginning 🤣🤣yesterday and the day before were really bad for me .I literally had to pray all day just to feel ok .I hate PAWS!
Kristin robertson -Lol! Glad you can have a laugh there! I guess it’s technically a “natural flavor” lol! Praying had gotten me through stuff day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute throughout this whole thing. It’s all we got at times for sure. But it’s a Big thing to have!
Hey day 6 off Heroin. Feeling pretty good. Made it through a full day at work. I’d rather do a heroin kick then suboxone kick. actually I’d rather not do any kick Lol. That’s what I’m going for - making this the last time I have to detox anything. I think heroin is harder but a lot shorter- I’ve done both multiple times. OMG. Hash- haven’t seen that in a while!! Thanks for another video.
How you doing Gabe? Over 3 weeks now so I can't complain it's getting better. But the weird shit lingers. Get nervous sometimes. Emotional, waves of remorse. I just accept that i am not gonna sleep. It feels good to know I will never take soboxone again.
I am beginning to think suboxone should not be rx’d for long periods of time. Had I known the severity of the long term PAWS effects on my brain and body I would have never ever taken it for 10 yrs. I was never educated by any of the doctors I saw about PAWS My Hope is for people to learn this side to suboxone.
@Lab Girl The doctors aren’t educating anyone about paws symptoms. They’re just saying that if you decide to stop taking it, you’ll need to taper. They are not telling anyone about the horrible after effects of using it long term. In fact, they are encouraging it long term use. I hope that y’all will be feeling Better Soon! Stay Strong.
Lab Girl-Very true, I wanna make a video on my real thoughts on Suboxone after getting off this stuff. Suboxone and Subutex should either be prescribed for life... or a week or 2 while getting off H, Morphine.... something intense. It’s not something you wanna take for a decade and then get off. Well, neither is any opiate now that I’m typing this. But you get what I’m saying. We are in the day and age of doing our own research. We can’t rely on drs to give us the true information. And for so many it’s too late. I have to admit I knew what I had gotten myself into... but more like 80%?... it’s a bit longer than I originally thought.
@Gabe McCall I totally agree, Gabe. We have to do our own research. Another thing that is greatly helpful is when people like you, make channels and give us your real experience. Your Truth is Priceless. Thank you for sharing with the rest of us!!!
My first response was very toned down ultra respectful response to how I really feel about suboxone. Why not rx people vivitrol instead of suboxone??????? I don’t know the answer to that. Does anyone happen to know??
Lab Girl -Well most people would say heck no. Naltrexone isn’t a narcotic and it’s not gonna keep u from getting door sick. It’s actually gonna make u sicker. U should only take it once you have been clean for at least 2 to 3 weeks. Suboxone and Naltrexone are not even in the same class. People will more than likely just go back to getting crap on the streets and refuse vivtrol. I know I would have. Or got another DR., basically... getting physically dependent on opiates is just a terrible decision with no easy way out... u can go the quicker intense way or the long drawn out way like Suboxone or Methadone. It’s all S***! Every opiate is crap and I hate em all. But no matter what.., we t here and we gotta do something about it. The biggest F you we can give to these Drs and pharmacy companies is best it and show the world they can too!
It’s about getting used to the low amounts and allowing your brain to start producing endorphins by micro dosing I’ve had heaps of paws being so low so long and jumping off high dose is easy for a few months however show me that they’re clean in a year ! Acute is nothing to me that’s why I’m staying low for long not to avoid acute but to succeed forever !!! DLPA is the thing that is supposed to help big time for helping with paws it’s a supplement I’m getting ASAP
Gods Elect Atlantis rael -Good deal. DLPA is definitely a good supplement. But unfortunately it doesn’t make all the bad go away. I do know people who have more clean time than myself that jumped off at 2 to 4mg. I definitely remember feeling the PAWS during the taper. But dude just preparing you... it gets to another level with nothing. But keep doing all the right things brother! God bless you and thanks for watching! Still thinking about you and praying for ya mate!
Allan Cooney -I do take that some. But I’ve been on that long enough and bern going through the paws long enough to differentiate how each make me feel. This is definitely paws. And I’m not the only one. I’m talking to people who have more clean time than me who are still battling stuff. Ugh... but it is what it is? I got a life to get back!
nicholas the coolplayer -I personally haven’t used Kratom during this whole detox/withdrawal. It just hits the same receptors and doesn’t get your brain right. It’s just delaying the healing of your brain.
@@gabemccall3523 I haven't I recently started doing the injection. On my 3 Rd month but I'm going to go back to strips because something tells me the injection will be tougher to come off of.
b a -Yesh id totally get on the strips. The injection is definitely something that wound extremely hard to taper from. It’s kinda a life long thing with the injections. Good deal! God bless you.
Faith without works is dead. I’ve always been in agreement with that one. It makes sense, we can talk all we want about lifestyle change, but without taking action, nothing changes.
Gabe, I think you’re doing good. You said No! to hash. That’s a Huge Victory! Keep going! Things are going to get Better! Life is general in hard. Add post acute withdrawal syndrome to it, and it feels even worse, but Spring Time is Coming!!! Everything Will Get Better.🌼🌟🌻🌸🌺🌷
Cindy’s Journey -Thanks so much Cindy! Always love your encouragement!
Gabe, you’re doing amazing!
I’m back on frikken .25 mg a day. It’s soooo stupid and seemingly pointless to take. But I couldn’t handle the heart flutters and anxiety. I’m going to try again for sure on Summer Break and sweat it out in the sun at the pool. I’m sooooo close. Ugh!
Anony mous micro dosing helps give your brain time to adjust plus keeps you clean so better to be that low and clean as it’s such an insignificant amount that it reduces side effects and helps your brain to slowly adjust to nothing as your receptors adjust as at 2 mg your brains receptors are about half covered so at .2 well you are barely activating the receptors also I hear DLPA supplement is amazing for anxiety paws and helping your brain start producing endorphins again best of luck I’m at .4 slow and low exercise diet are key
You’ve done amazing
Anony mous -Summer break would be a good time to get off. I know you were off for 20 plus days recently?... I’m I correct? And teaching, it’s very tough. Just plan it out and put all the eggs into the next basket and you can do it! It can and will be done! Don’t be to hard on yourself. It’s all part of the game.
Anony mous u r only taking .25 Dailey... I jumped when I was at that point and on day 49 clean and doing just fine buddy... U can do it if u want. It feels good being this clean with no crutches. God Bless you
Thanks for the video. I'm on day 135 right now I jumped off 10mg (I was on them for 10-11 years) and I feel like sh*t. Your videos help me out a lot. Much appreciated
Joe M -Good for you! Keep pushing my friend! There are people who don’t think it’s possible to jump like u did and stay clean! Prove em wrong!!! Keep it up brother! Congrats on 135! We will beat this together! God bless
I had a real good two week stretch. Then I got off work on Wednesday and I could feel the bottom drop out mentally. I went on to feel extremely lethargic, depressed almost to a point of despair as you said. And even physical symtoms. This around day 100. It has been 5 days and I finally feel myself coming out of it a little bit. It is definitely a bipolar ride. You are the first person that I have heard talk about this bipolar stuff deep into paws and it definitely is the case for me. I thought I would be mostly out of the woods by this point but whatever it takes.
Bark -Prepare for that kinda stuff to happen for the next few months. Don’t fear it. Just be ready for it. I got a video called manic depression during opiate WD. I’ve talked to so many people who have gotten diagnosed with being bi-polar during the post acute withdrawals. The mental stuff can be hard but just keep moving forward. Appreciate you watching
Gabe McCall Yea that was a great catch. I bet most addiction counselors don’t even realize this is what’s going on.
Gabe McCall I will watch that video
Hahaha! No shit!
Good video man, you're right about fearing the acute withdrawal. The acute withdrawal is nothing. Does not matter how much you taper you eventually have to pay the piper. Don't use any drugs though man, you will get there. I always looked at paws as doing time in the prison of the mind, it did lift for me though and it will for you. I have not had paws symptoms in a few years now.
fraggle rock -Amen brother! Using any drugs isn’t the answer and it can be the beginning of the end a lot of times. Appreciate you watching and your comment my friend.
@@gabemccall3523 no problem man, just keep reminding yourself of all the reasons you are doing this. Play the tape through as they say in NA. I'm sure you will have a positive update for us sooner rather then later. It's the nature of this roller coaster of mental health problems spawned by our addictions.
Well said Gabe! Thank you for making this video I’ve been on .8 far too long. And you’re right I feel bipolar, which made me take more about four times since I’ve been on .8. I really can’t handle the agitation. If I go down in dose which I’m waiting on Friday to do that when I get 2 milligrams strips. After watching this video honestly I don’t know if I can make it. Anxiety is going to kill me. Right now I feel stable without anxiety but once I drop again ??? I wish I never found out about Suboxone.
Your ideas of videos are great this one especially. You talk about the long-haul, you talk about the fear of continuous tapering. I needed to hear that!
Laurie P -Once u get your new strips. Give the drop in mg a try?.. if you can’t do it then u can’t. It doesn’t mean you can’t get off Suboxone for good by any means. Just dip your toes in the water. The taper can be really difficult! Cause it takes a mental toughness that can be hard to overcome bc we have extra subs or we know in the back of our mind it’s not full on relapse so it’s easier to justify. I did the very same stuff. You can do it! Don’t let that anxiety get to strong. But I know it’s hard and it’s human nature.
I'm 9 months off 14 years of methadone and still cant work full time, i literally have to do odd jobs and ubers on my good days, its got alot better but months 3-8 were brutal for me
Man I'm going through the same. Can't get below .75. waiting to get a bed. I was on from 11/2018-11/2019 and have been tapering since November.
Allan Cooney -You are right there my friend. Set that date if u can and taper as low as u can before that date. But regardless jump on that date u set. That would be my advice “if” your ready. If you’re not ready don’t even waste your time yet. Ultimately you do it when YOU r ready. God bless
Allan Cooney I was on Subs also after around 8 yrs on hard opioids. Subs fm around Oct 2018- Jan 2020. I tapered to .5 most days of the wk and about every 3rd day thru-out was .5 every 12 hrs. So it was .5 and 1mg daily for 14 months. Today I'm 49 days clean off Subs and kicking this things ass one day at a time also you can do this to Allen. Like Gabe says you gotta be ready and want this though! When you jump ---Jump with all your might. Good Luck for you. It can be done!! God Bless
Glad you got sleep the last two days. After about 3 days of 2-3 hrs a night, I actually got 5-6 hrs straight last night. Your prob doing better than you think right now. We'll have these.. "not so good days" so really not bad, right... positive thinking:) I thought about smoking a joint too last wk cause I was so tired and miserable but didn't... prob cause I didn't have any haha! No I can't and won't and will hang in here.... Another day Clean good freind. Thanks for sharing again:) Peace n love God Bless. Btw, remember the weight you've lost and how good you feel cause of it. I'm still struggling to lose about 20 lbs cause I'm a borderline dietetic and Don't want to become one so I know when I get close to weighing 200lbs I start getting headaches and really down on myself. Then I'll go out and run extra just to get back down under 200. Nway this compounded with paws for me makes me have ..."not so good days" most days of the wk:) but one hr one day another Victory right!!!:)
Tod Harper -Glad you got some better sleep to my friend! R u about 50 days clean now??? Getting clean right? Appreciate your comment as always too brother!
Gabe McCall y'all broth, its 50 days today!
Laughing my a** off at the beginning 🤣🤣yesterday and the day before were really bad for me .I literally had to pray all day just to feel ok .I hate PAWS!
Kristin robertson -Lol! Glad you can have a laugh there! I guess it’s technically a “natural flavor” lol! Praying had gotten me through stuff day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute throughout this whole thing. It’s all we got at times for sure. But it’s a Big thing to have!
Hey day 6 off Heroin. Feeling pretty good. Made it through a full day at work. I’d rather do a heroin kick then suboxone kick. actually I’d rather not do any kick Lol. That’s what I’m going for - making this the last time I have to detox anything. I think heroin is harder but a lot shorter- I’ve done both multiple times. OMG. Hash- haven’t seen that in a while!! Thanks for another video.
Lori Waggoner -Good for you! Sorry I didn’t realize i didn’t get back to you. Hope your doing good!
How you doing Gabe? Over 3 weeks now so I can't complain it's getting better. But the weird shit lingers. Get nervous sometimes. Emotional, waves of remorse. I just accept that i am not gonna sleep. It feels good to know I will never take soboxone again.
DA S -I just saw this comment. TH-cam hasn’t been good at getting me all my.
DA S -Comments
I am beginning to think suboxone should not be rx’d for long periods of time. Had I known the severity of the long term PAWS effects on my brain and body I would have never ever taken it for 10 yrs. I was never educated by any of the doctors I saw about PAWS My Hope is for people to learn this side to suboxone.
@Lab Girl The doctors aren’t educating anyone about paws symptoms. They’re just saying that if you decide to stop taking it, you’ll need to taper. They are not telling anyone about the horrible after effects of using it long term. In fact, they are encouraging it long term use.
I hope that y’all will be feeling Better Soon! Stay Strong.
Lab Girl-Very true, I wanna make a video on my real thoughts on Suboxone after getting off this stuff. Suboxone and Subutex should either be prescribed for life... or a week or 2 while getting off H, Morphine.... something intense. It’s not something you wanna take for a decade and then get off. Well, neither is any opiate now that I’m typing this. But you get what I’m saying. We are in the day and age of doing our own research. We can’t rely on drs to give us the true information. And for so many it’s too late. I have to admit I knew what I had gotten myself into... but more like 80%?... it’s a bit longer than I originally thought.
@Gabe McCall I totally agree, Gabe. We have to do our own research. Another thing that is greatly helpful is when people like you, make channels and give us your real experience. Your Truth is Priceless. Thank you for sharing with the rest of us!!!
My first response was very toned down ultra respectful response to how I really feel about suboxone. Why not rx people vivitrol instead of suboxone??????? I don’t know the answer to that. Does anyone happen to know??
Lab Girl -Well most people would say heck no. Naltrexone isn’t a narcotic and it’s not gonna keep u from getting door sick. It’s actually gonna make u sicker. U should only take it once you have been clean for at least 2 to 3 weeks. Suboxone and Naltrexone are not even in the same class. People will more than likely just go back to getting crap on the streets and refuse vivtrol. I know I would have. Or got another DR., basically... getting physically dependent on opiates is just a terrible decision with no easy way out... u can go the quicker intense way or the long drawn out way like Suboxone or Methadone. It’s all S***! Every opiate is crap and I hate em all. But no matter what.., we t here and we gotta do something about it. The biggest F you we can give to these Drs and pharmacy companies is best it and show the world they can too!
It’s about getting used to the low amounts and allowing your brain to start producing endorphins by micro dosing I’ve had heaps of paws being so low so long and jumping off high dose is easy for a few months however show me that they’re clean in a year !
Acute is nothing to me that’s why I’m staying low for long not to avoid acute but to succeed forever !!!
DLPA is the thing that is supposed to help big time for helping with paws it’s a supplement I’m getting ASAP
Gods Elect Atlantis rael -Good deal. DLPA is definitely a good supplement. But unfortunately it doesn’t make all the bad go away. I do know people who have more clean time than myself that jumped off at 2 to 4mg. I definitely remember feeling the PAWS during the taper. But dude just preparing you... it gets to another level with nothing. But keep doing all the right things brother! God bless you and thanks for watching! Still thinking about you and praying for ya mate!
Gabe McCall I feel joyless already even so Gods will be done ! You are nearly there as I hear first year is hard and then it improves drastically
I think you are awesome I love your videos
Terry Shepard -Thank you very much! Glad you enjoy them.
Day 38 still going day by day.
@Knox Mateo Congratulations to You!!!
@@CMoore8539 Thanks
You’ll make it! I did. You will!
Knox Mateo -Your doing great my friend! Keep enduring.
@@gabemccall3523 I'm fighting but it's not easy right now.Thanks
Bro, are you still taking the vivitrol pill? Doesn't that mess with your mood? U try cbd?.. I'm sure you know it's not psychoactive. Stay strooong.
Allan Cooney -I do take that some. But I’ve been on that long enough and bern going through the paws long enough to differentiate how each make me feel. This is definitely paws. And I’m not the only one. I’m talking to people who have more clean time than me who are still battling stuff. Ugh... but it is what it is? I got a life to get back!
I was wondering if you are still using kratom when you feel the paws
If you use Kratom your brain will not heal. You are activating the same receptors that opiates do.
nicholas the coolplayer -I personally haven’t used Kratom during this whole detox/withdrawal. It just hits the same receptors and doesn’t get your brain right. It’s just delaying the healing of your brain.
I think it's probably better to taper off dope
b a -Suboxone or dope? And I’d disagree if the “taper” never leads to actually jumping. How long u been off suboxone?
@@gabemccall3523 I haven't I recently started doing the injection. On my 3 Rd month but I'm going to go back to strips because something tells me the injection will be tougher to come off of.
b a -Yesh id totally get on the strips. The injection is definitely something that wound extremely hard to taper from. It’s kinda a life long thing with the injections. Good deal! God bless you.