Take It Easy on Yu-Gi-Oh Newbies
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"Jimmy can't read, but his spright combo bout to go OFF"
Lmao that comment took me out
Lost it lol
Lmao 😂😂😂
this was my fav line too
🤣😂
This literally happened at our locals last week. We had a newbie, like cards in tin, paper Playmat new, he unfortunately got paired against the one runick stun floodgate player at our locals (who everyone DESPISES playing against) he floodgated him out of the game and banished all his cards and stopped him from doing anything. The newbie left immediately after and will probably not come back. The Runick player literally says ‘it’s Konami’s fault for printing the deck’
But like, it’s locals??? Let people play.
That's literally harsh af, but it's reality.
Back when I was playing, I had ABC adventurer deck when it was meta. Went to locals with a buddy of mine and played against a new player running old style blue eyes. I saw he was running flute of summoning dragon and other old cards, which prompted me to purposely not use any adventure cards or pot of prosperities and limited myself to using ABC buster dragon. He won, but thanked me for going really easy on him as it wasn’t his first time fighting adventurer ABCs full powered at that time.
That's depressing af. Some people just have no heart.
@@unknownposter2075 Props you to man. We need more people like this in the community.
That's just tragic it's called HOLDING BACK a bit. It isn't Konami's fault its players like him that keep wanting everything to be faster and more powerful.
This happened to a friend of mine. He went to a locals, and was very new at Yu-Gi-Oh. He has a very casual deck he liked to play with (I think it was a bare bones Blue-Eyes deck), and of course was stomped in his first duel. He was expecting this, I had prepared him before hand that he likely wasn't going to win with his deck, and he was fine with that. He just wanted to meet new people who like Yu-Gi-Oh and have fun with the game. What got to him though was the person he was playing against, who nitpicked his every move telling him what he did wrong, and even straight up told him his deck sucked and he should stop playing with it. This person apparently soured his feeling on Yu-Gi-Oh so much that he has refused to go to another locals since. He hasn't quit Yu-Gi-Oh, but says he'd rather duel me than "a bunch of try hards" in his words. I really wish that people would respect others playstyles in Yu-Gi-Oh, both casuals and competitive players. Not everyone plays Yu-Gi-Oh for the same reasons, and people shouldn't be told to "stop playing casual trash" or "stop being a meta sheep". People should just be able to come together and enjoy the game we all love.
this is exactly why I don't go to locals. I play Yu-Gi-Oh because I love the anime and only build decks from the anime. None of them are meta. And I'm afraid if I go to my local shop I'll have the same experience. I just wanna play my funny Frightfur deck with demonic toys.
Speak for yourself buddy
You make an important point about how today's kids have no chance to experience playground Yugioh like we did. Thinking back on it, we were honestly blessed to have ever experienced it!
Goat format exists though
@@6210classick not everyone knows what goat format is. Not everyone is lives yugioh content 24/7. Goat is not even supported for Konami anyways.
@@6210classick There are very advanced goat format decks that can feel like modern combo decks. If you are unprepared, you probably can get your ass blasted in turn 7. There are also pretty sacky cards like Duo and Trap Dustshoot that feel unfair to play around. Even BLS can ruin the mood due to how game warping that singular card is. Goat format today feels pretty fast, but there is sometimes back and forth depending on the decks. But Goat format isn't the solution to every old yugioh players' problems, and I'm tired of pretending it is.
Yugioh is kind of a broken game. If you aren't willing to not play 70% of the time, don't pick up any cards.
Those where dope times
Kaiba would call this weakness, yugi would call this heart.
That was dope bro
I’m an old player talking back since blue eyes set released. I played for years and always took it easy on kids and acted it out like in the anime for them and taught them how to play. In appreciation. The owner gave me ten packs a week and held a side tournament for all the newer players and had me show them the way. OFC it wasn’t official but it made it fun for them and when it felt like they were good enough they went to the big boy area. Some still play today.
I'm sorry to hear Alec's experience with Magic was like that. I think he met the very competitive Magic players who act in similar ways to competitive Yugioh players that want to play their deck to shut out their opponents. I hope that if Alec gives Magic another chance, he'll meet more reasonable and understanding players who will have fun playing the game with him.
Yeah, sounds like he encountered people who forgot to have the Rule Zero conversation.
It legit sounds like je met cEDH players, which are highly in the minority. Almost every player I've met with cEDH decks have non-cEDH decks in case they can't find games at that level.
As a magic player I'm sad that Alec had that experience. I can tell you that commander is NOT the place to go if you want to learn the game. Commander is a high power format and you do win in the way that those players describe.
You need to have balanced games for new players. You could both play precons. I like sealed games for new players since they get the chance to design a deck that is probably fair against another sealed deck.
Cedh is bad stay away from that.
I agree with Team APS. I myself have found myself playing competitively at the wrong times. Once I noticed most of the players at my locals were new I wanted to help teach them how to play the game. That is why I have had several decks for different styles. I hated being that sweaty player and thus I gave up the competitive style and only play casual. I have had more fun with the switch.
Me too.
I realized that this concept spans a lot of our lives. Bear with me and my thought train here:
These days, so many hobbies are completely sporterized. People learn every little stat in a video game and every overpowered combo in a card game cause to them, winning is the only way to feel good about what they're doing. But straight up, if our goal is to just do the thing that we like, we'll have fun and we'll get better at it naturally as we do it.
Like, I'd rather have a back and forth, super long duel in MasterDuel and lose than have someone surrender on their first turn. And this applies to so many things in life. Let's not make our hobbies into nothing but stats and results. They're supposed to be FUN. It's okay to just do things you like regardless of the result
I agree with you
Amen
That's why I play a deck nobody plays so that no one can backseat me
Me playing time thieves.
@@Fringewonder pretty popular bc of redoer in master duel, I use to have it as well
*me who plays gimmick puppet*
I play jinzo lol
I do something similar, like a blues and branded mix. It kinda meta but isn't
As someone who has recently come back to the game (after 15 years), I've met some great player that help me out and showed me many of the new things (still can't beleive how fast monsters can be summoned now). I've had other players hover over me and call me out on every single little mistake. Its really annoying when I have Yu-Gi-Oh cards that are older then some of these people.
I'm glad that they are so few of them in comparison the amount of great players I've met.
respect for those player who help you o7
Dude tell me about it. I started playing Master Duel late last year and built a Red Eyes deck. Imagine my surprise running into Branded and some of the new Blue Eyes stuff, seeing all those monsters pop up in one turn against my single Red Eyes summoned from an egg lol
@@Kintaku When I went to a local shop with my son to play, I brought my Fiend Control Deck that I ran 15 years ago. I manage to set 2 cards LOL. After that they told me we could go and buy 3 of the same structure deck and "smash" them together (they helped out a lot) to have a deck that could compete with the current Meta. I went Albaz and my son went Crystal Beast. My wife got back into it as well recently and she went with the Traptrix.
The one thing I do like about the "judgy players" is that, they are willing to spend a lot of money on 20 year old cardboard for the G.O.A.T Cards. I don't care about that format because I was there playing when that deck came into existence.
@@KuzumiyaRiku 100%. I've actually had 2 of them over to play cards and have dinner with my family. Its a thing my wife and I did back when we played at a local shop. After the event was over, we would invite our friend over for cards at our place and my wife would make dinner. We would be 4-5 of us playing Yugioh and eating Lasagna.
@@CanadianGameDad that's so nice and wholesome bro 👍🏻
If you go against someone new or someone who doesn't know what they are doing you should go to them after and try to encourage them and maybe give them some tips on how to get better
After u beat their ass.💀
This!! I’m a new player running cyber dragons atm and played a dude using labyrinth and he sat with me for like an hour after the tourney finished teaching me different interactions with my cards that will catch people out. Good dude
Yeah. Even when I was a kid, I took it easy on new players. I remember my first time going to the comic book shop in 1999. I got stomped out in Pokemon TCG game. She said it's cool, it's your first time, and gave me her deck. She taught me how to use it and for that I am thankful. It was a really good memory and pushed me to be a better player and eventually got into Yu-Gi-Oh and other card games.
Yeah like even if you get stomped, it can be encouraging for someone to help you understand where you went wrong at least.
I had someone tell me that I could have beat them if I would have used my ash at a better time, which I was completely oblivious to.
This video is MEGA IMPORTANT.
Treat newbies like gold. They're few and far between and bring a tonne of joy to us veterans when one is a part of your gaming group.
Shout out to my homie Lloyd who started playing and competed at YCS in the same year. You're a killer!
I wish that people would play just to have fun in most TCG games. Because the games are really fun. What ruins it is when people are attempting to end the game the second it starts. What's the point of even playing the game if you want it to end immediately.
You guys are mindset right now
I love Yu-Gi-Oh. Been playing since the early days.
I fell out of real life playing around when XYZ came out but I always kept up with the video games because it was easier to get the cards I wanted lol
Came back to it to while I was deployed for 8 months
I recently introduced my friend to the game and he loves it but he is so green as grass that sometimes it is frustrating that he slow plays, doesn't understand card rarity and doesn't understand the meta but it's still nice to have someone to go to locals with.
Also I feel bad that I beat him all the time because I know so much more.
need this video for Magic also. Long time players love to stomp on new players... but it hurts the game.
I was lucky. I got into MTG when I moved to a different state and I got walked through my first commander game. Yugioh was just getting beaten down and told my deck was bad. At least I can enjoy and afford master duel.
Komoney new policy hurt the game more
You ain't wrong I got into commander and 3 high level deck players came over and chose to play now im the kind of idiot who tries anyway and I was kept alive till second place ish cos I wasn't a threat then I hit me really annoying almost quit comander day 1
I kind of relate this to my experience with Smash Bros. tournaments. I participated in a local one at a brewery years ago. Really strong local Smash community, and I had no idea what I was walking into.
My only 2 out of 3 match before being eliminated I picked Pichu one round. My opponent asked me multiple times if I was sure about my choice. Until he told me, I didn’t know Pichu hurt himself. He won easily, but he definitely didn’t try winning in less than one minute.
This is so important lmao. I just got back into Yugioh and went to my first locals 2 weeks ago. I was nervous as hell, and all the guys helped me. They let me know when I made mistakes, let me undo moves when I forgot certain actions, etc. I know they coulda easily won, but the fact they let me take extra time to learn their cards, get my combos off, etc. made everything so much easier. If I got beat badly in all my games, I might not have the urge to go back to locals cuz my first experience woulda been terrible. They went easy on me, and even now if I go back and they do demolish me, it won't be as bad, because my first experience of having fun is way more emphasized in my brain. Yugioh is a very intimidating game to get into, but is one that is very rewarding long-term. This is why whenever I face new players, I will always go easy on em and help them whenever I can. Great video to make, and hopefully people gain a similar mindset to you guys. Also, locals is just as much about making friends than it is to play, and I doubt anyone wants to be friends with that guy who just stomps on the newbies, let em have fun to, and make locals enjoyable for everybody :)
My mindset behind new players or returning players is this. When I first started out, I remember distinctly losing every round, but after one round a very experienced player sat down helped me figure out my deck better and told me choke points for different decks. I don’t think people should go easy on new players ,but people need to have compassion and empathy for new players.
Paul and Alec seem like they’re doing a good cop, bad cop routine over the last couple episodes 😂
I had the exact same experience that Alec had with Magic but I was trying to get back into YGO with a few Albaz Strike structure decks that I put together.
That day I understood that nobody from the YGO community at my lgs understands the idea of just having fun playing the game without destroying their opponent as quickly as possible. After that I decided to quit YGO and focus on One Piece and that game has given me all the fun that I couldn't get from YGO
There are shitty players but way more great players. Im so sorry that was your exp, i hope one day you will try again, maybe even w speed duel... in the right company ofc
@@theunchosenone6807 Yeah or 'goat format' in which a beginner gets to play more
There's a reason so many magic players now play Flesh & Blood. Wotc bullshit mixed with lame metas. Replace "Wotc" with Konami and you get the same result.
Can't be the big dog forever, someone was going to come for their crowns eventually.
This!!! As a returning player after 11 years, it takes time to learn how all of the different summons work and there is a lot of text on the cards
I think a podcast would be great! I enjoy this content in between the actual gameplay videos. Thanks for the upload!
This is why I play rogue decks. Even when I go full power, it's around half the strength of what full power meta decks do
I've been playing Heroes for years for this reason. If meta changes then I just update the deck and rarely does anything I run get banned.
The idea of "letting their deck do its thing" is exactly why competitive YGO sometimes just isn't fun; one person's deck often just completely fails to function because the opponent just has so many interruptions or floodgates. It's sometimes less of a competition between two decks, more about which deck gets to actually work at all. It leads to complete non-games.
This is so important I remember I was that 11/12 year old kid just starting out in yugioh with nothing but crappy hand me down cards I got from my uncle once in 2005 showing up to locals because my friends from school told me they go and play all the time and some people were really nice even offering to give me less valuable cards that would work with what I had out of pure kindness but I also remember dueling against the try hards a lot of whom were fully grown adults just pulling out these crazy combos I’d never seen before mean while I’m sitting there with a swords of revealing light and a dust tornado it made me feel really bad luckily most of the people at that specific locals were really nice and I learned a lot it ended up taking my skill level in yugioh up a whole bunch because prior to that I would just duel my uncle who would take it easy on me because I didn’t have a lot of cards I remember going from using crappy old school cards to pulling out agent and six sam combos almost overnight ofc this was back in 2012/2013 when it wasn’t so crazy like it is today but still I learned about synchro and xyz monsters and was actually able to go home and duel my uncle and surprise him to the point that he got back into the game and started learning the new techniques and stuff he stopped playing for a while after he graduated hs in 05 so he had some catching up to do with me which was a surprise to both of us because he used to always beat me but that just goes to show what can happen when the right people are at locals and when we just help each other out like there’s no reason to go hard on a newbie or a kid
I have had a similar experience in both Yugioh and Magic the Gathering. Even in commander format. At the end of the day it depends on the community in general and knowing who you are playing against to ensure everyone has fun. Both TCG's have their toxic competitive side, but despite that inherent flaw it is still a game. How you play should never be ridiculed, because a persons goal is to have fun in general. I am sorry one of you guys had a bad experience, and hopefully a friendly group of mtg players will come around so everyone can have fun.
When I started out, everyone at my locals was so nice. Gave me tips, encouraged my jank combos (that still lost hard lol), and even gave me a couple free cards here and there
It's not just about going easy on new players, but also it's important sometimes to "take their hand" and help them improve, cause at sometime they will need to improve or the sentiment in the store starts to get like "argh that person again". I'm not saying that people should just stomp them for days, no, but that at some point it's more valuable to help them getting better and that can be either showing them how to play better their deck, or showing them a new deck even if it's one that in a larger tournament scene would not be very viable but it's viable at a local level do to the store's meta. Also making the place accessible to newcomers is very good, like try to make them feel comfortable even outside of a game, make them feel like they belong cause sometimes a person might not be new to the game and play well but have a bad experience feeling like they are not really welcomed there.
Would love to see statistics on the retention rates of new players
@@KevinM88TR11 That isn't true. If that was the case the game would be dead by now.
the way i do it is i ask
"Do you want me to play honest? Or do you want me to let you have a few turns"
Because there are people who will take offense to you going easy on them when they saw you a round or two ago going ham on a more experienced player
I've never been to a locals but I did get to experience the "scrapping duels" with my friends as a kid and it was definitely more enjoyable as a kid to do that vs the modern stuff imo
Ive convinced my wife to play some yugioh with me. There have been multiple games where i had to monsters on the field to end the game but i have passed 3- 4 turns to allow her to keep playing and enjoy the game. Sometimes she ends up winning to from this and a couple times she has beat me honestly. I just love watching her enjoy this game ive played since i was a child.
I think the core of this issue is that Yugioh is structured in a way where being competitive is the way to have a chance at winning the game. Yugioh feels like it sets its game's purpose to win rather than to have fun. The only way you'll have fun experimenting and doing what you want more freely is to find other players that also want to experience Yugioh that way.
What I believe Yugioh needs is a format that is not meant to be competitive but to be fun. A lot people say that it's supposed to be GOAT format but I believe that is just putting current Yugioh's competitive philosophy and turning back the clock. I think Yugioh can use a supported draft format like with battle packs or making regular Yugioh sets draftable. If most commons and rares are useless in a competitive scene, then I think they should make them playable for a draft format. Making more generic cards that can work in multiple decks like old sets did would not only boost a lot of archetypes but create another fun format for the Yugioh community to enjoy!
I don't go easy on newbies. However I will:
-Have an inviting attitude
-offer gameplay advice, help correct mistakes, etc.
-if I see a play they can make to put them at an advantage that they missed, I will explain what they could have done and give them the opportunity to make it if they wish.
-give them a cheap card or two to improve their strategy
-give them the win so they can get an extra pack
I did this in pokemon which is way different from Yugioh since it's much slower but that's just how I personally help newbies out.
8:26 The difference is that he'll remember the nice experience he had against you, maybe find your deck more fun than their own and pursue cards in order to get better, or generally remember the whole event in a better way, come better to the game again to play, because of that nice experience
I agree with you there. I was there when the blue eyes packs were released. I think I actually competed in one tourney and made top 4. My deck was never the best but I enjoyed playing back then. Years have passed and thanks to master duel I got back into the game. So much has changed with link, pendulums, xyzs.
I don't play that much in person but when I do I rarely go easy on my opponent in the sense of not going for the win if I can (not that I'm playing meta decks in the first place), however what I do all the time is to allow take backs. For example, when my opponent tries to destroy one of my monsters that has protection I remind them that it does and let him take that back, same goes for if they try to negate a non once per turn effect.
I had a very weird experience in my locals. I found players willing to help out with my deck, show me good combos, guide me towards cards that do better a better job at what I'm want to do etc etc. But then those same people didn't want to play with me and got all snooty about my cards not being max rarity.
So on one hand I did get help and tips on what to do with my branded deck, but then also got told branded sucks anyway, you should be playing tear (before ban) and didn't want to play against my deck without even giving a reason. Just no without elaborating. What's the point in improving my deck if I'm going to have to hear every 3-4 minutes that branded sucks and after improving it there's nobody to play with.
Kind of makes me wonder what thje point of going to the local card shop even is.
Basically you got some smoothbrains that focused too much on X is bad and you should play better. When really they know they're souring their own scene by acting like that.
I like the insight Paul! I actually started a year ago, and coming from the smash community, I knew what I was going to be getting into going to a local and wanted people to be sweating as hard as they can vs me, but it’s good to remember that not everyone going to their locals for the first time is as competitive as I am.
FACTS. I always go easy on newbies. Got to help spread the game!!!
This somewhat hits personal for me as a trains player because OTK is definitely my main and most of times, only play. Yes, i did this because of PTSD to sparing 1 backrow that was mirror force and got reversed
But well i got the taste too in gold. Getting BM'd by branded and DM players to keep summoning eventho my field's empty 😢
This is why I don't like negates. Effects that trigger when your opponent does something, I think, is way more fair. Like, imagine if every card that said "negate that effect" instead said "if your opponent {instead trigger here}, destroy 1 card once per turn." That way, you're still punishing the opponent, but you're also not stopping them from doing anything entirely. Like, imagine if you tried to search with a body on field, you activate, and then get the search, but your opponent still destroys the body you were going to combo with. That seems much more fair- and more importantly, enjoyable- to me.
I do the same thing in Magic where as alot of the people I play with go balls to the wall all the time. I'm actually getting ready to start getting back into physical yugioh
This is why timewizard format should be promoted more with pre-build decks or structure decks for it, new players will have a bit more fun with it (Goat or Edison format)
I had a similar experience with Master duel
I got one of my discord friends to play and were a returning player.
I called myself trying to go easy on em so i played using non archetype decks.
But then i slowly realized what Modern or Masterduel has done to my deckbuilding.
Every deck i had was used to having to worry about getting negated or constantly getting banished
It lost the fun in the duels because my friend couldnt win or barely cause damage, was super obvious when i was trying to go easy
Made em feel like i was be condesending.
Imagine feeling helpless versus Kuribohs
Love the long form videos With Paul and Alec! Cant agree more on the topic, there was a kid was 7 years old who came in with a 2 special edition boxes (remember when that was a thing) and he made a deck from those 6 packs and the promos. I just let him normal summon. Not about that life, he was so happy and that just matters more 🎉
I had a bad experience with a card shop while getting into modern yugioh after not playing for 14 years. Match 1 the guy is berating me for not knowing the lingo and literally refused to say what his cards do every time he activated a new card. “Just read it” he said. Match 2 the guy barely even spoke to me, like I’d ask him a question and he’d completely ignore me. First game of match 3 I get OTK’d and the guy called me a scrub. Throughout the match he commented on my cards, saying “that cards lame” “that cards so bad, you shouldn’t play it. Just play (insert meta deck).” Idk if it was a joke or not but after the other 2 matches it was enough for me to get up and leave. I was done and left the shop. Never went back to them, but I do have a local shop I go to now that’s new player friendly and also has a decent competitive scene, and above all good players. Not just win more games good but also good people.
Lately I’ve been playing Branded Gaia or Branded Buster Blader. It’s a lot easier to scale back because I don’t have to push for it on my first turn. It helps slow things down for newbies and I walk them through their cards as well as what to look for to play against. There’s been a lot more engagement and in return, they teach me how to play commander in MTG. Gotta remember we’re still playing card games for fun.
Not necessarily in Yugioh, but the other day I made a mental note to “take it easy” because I was facing against new players. I wondered how many other people share the sentiment, that there are more important things than winning, for me it was that those players would have a better time not losing so fast. Sometimes I’ll handicap myself with “bad” items as a challenge and some people get angry or confused, like why would you ever play like that? Really, they don’t even question why indeed would you want to handicap yourself.
I agree with giving wins like Paul said. I have done that a lot with new players at locals for Digimon. I keep the game really close but allow them to just barely beat me. I walk away knowing that I could have won but instead made someone else’s day.
And it is definitely annoying when other people are standing over you as you do that. It surprises me how they don’t seem to understand why I would intentionally lose that particular game.
I got paired up with a child at locals once. This kid had absolutely 0 idea how to actually play, like he was literally making up effects like they would in the anime (which is partially to blame for people not knowing how to actually play, but I digress).
Anyway, I was playing some Gadget Stun Control deck that would’ve been absolutely no fun for him but instead I spiced things up and started playing with him like he was. Once I had all the gadgets in play I merged them to create the “Gadget Stop Light Formation”, whatever gadget was on top dictated its effect. Red negated something, I forget what yellow did, and green just let everything go. I cycled through the colors after every card was played.
Was this incredibly dumb? Sure. But the kid had a blast. The judge, someone I hung out with, came over and gave me this look like “What the f are you doin?”, and after the match pulled me to the side and said “Gadget Stop Light Formation….?”
Please make a podcast hahah. On a serious note, as someone just coming back into the game, the locals scene is definitely intimidating. I still haven't pulled myself to go to one because I don't wanna be that one dude that doesn't play optimally or make a bunch of misplays. I think knowing there were gonna people there willing to help and be understanding, it would be much easier and more inviting to test the local scene.
Awesome perspective
Will be going for the first time to locals this sunday with Branded Despia with a list similar to last year. Already went a couple of times to check and buy some products and there were for sure a mix between sweaty, decent players and newcomers that jumped back post covid and some with Master Duel.
Yes, a podcast would be fantastic. This is a crucial social aspect of yugioh to bring up. if my friends I play with didn't understand this concept, I would not have completely gotten back into yugioh. My one bud always brings several decks, sometimes 8, and whenever fighting someone with much less experience than he, he always makes them choose the deck he plays, and the fun for him is figuring out the puzzle of winning that matchup while I learn my deck and feel cool about it.
This is the reason i got out of tournaments for the big three. While there is a lot of nice people, there is zero fun happening and more people i saw were stressed and sometimes even angry. I play for fun. Even at local card shops there are people who think winning is everything and mistakes can't happen. I just realize it isn't for me and just collect the cards now. I miss making the friends, but what can you do.
This is a great thing to put out there. I used to play YuGiOh a lot with friends back when it wasnt near this complicated. Then I took a break because all my friends got out of it. I came back about 5 years ago to try and get back into it. I got online and built the deck i had used IRL and got bashed enough for how bad my cards were every single game enough that I just said forget it. havent tried since. Game got way to convoluted for me unfortunately
Alec is looking more and more like a dad every video. Paul starting to look less like a friend and more like his oldest child 😂😂😂
My younger brother and I are just getting back into YGO after taking a break for over a decade. We found a box of old cards in the garage, there were some McDonald's promo cards and a couple of the first starter decks mixed in there. We decided to go buy a couple new packs and structure decks and give it a try. I dont think I want to get into the competitive scene, it's nice just playing with my bro like we did back in the early days. Some folks at the shop seem nice, but they are all playing meta decks so I dont think I'd have a very good time. So great getting back into the game this year when they are bringing back some old nostalgic cards and giving them some support for the anniversary. Playing my revamped Insect deck and Dark World has been so much fun!
@5:34 not everyone plays Commander super competitively. I'm sorry you had a bad experience!
It’s so important to have fun with the game my personal fav deck is aromages I got into them during late 2019 early 2020 duel links and have had so much fun playing them I currently don’t have a physical deck but I hope to make the one I’ve used in master duel one day
The free to play games help make the learning curve and "shock to the system" of newbies (like myself) more manageable.
I played schoolyard Yu Gi Oh when the OG cartoon was still running and man eater bug was considered OP. Forgot about it until lockdown, when a pal got me into Duel Links. Duel Links having a more limited and less insane card-list and meta made it easier to get used to some of the new concepts in the game (synchro, link, XYZ etc.).
This made the transition to master duel more manageable. For the first few months, messed about in the lower tiers with fun but non-meta "nostalgia" decks like Blue Eyes, Egyptian Gods and Gaia before gaining the courage to try out more meta builds. This helped massively in build confidence and knowledge of the current mechanics of Yugioh (if not the meta given the different ban-lists) and when I did decide to try out the "IRL" game, it was a much easier move.
What is more annoying to me about the real game is less the learning curve and more how quickly the banlists are updated. Modern Yu-Gi-Oh is expensive and when you do invest in building a deck, you would hope that you can count on being able to get your money's worth out of the deck. Instead, things get banned left and right and given how meta cards hold value based on utility rather than rarity, you are often left with a massive hole in your wallet without getting much play from your deck.
Another thing that newbies have to deal with at locals are predatory traders. I remember the first couple months, these two or three duelists who would immediately flock to me as soon as I walked in the door to ask if I had trades. They would also just pull out lots of my cards and then try and direct my attention to cards they probably didn't really care for but sold them as being potentially meta-defining. It wasn't until someone noticed I got a cheap Branded core in exchange for some fairly expensive secret rares that they pulled me aside and told me I was being scammed.
I’m an old school YGO player and I’m happy to say that lol so for me when playing master duel for E.g I always have more fun when playing an old school deck (maybe with a few newer cards that support said old school deck) like last night I was playing Amazon’s against a Red Eyes I can’t even remember who won lol but I remember having fun and that’s what matters when playing a game too 3 things for me would be 1) have fun 2) winning and this 3rd applies to trying to get friends into the game in person or on a game would be helping them out with what cards do or how they have built the deck but like I say I’m mostly old school than modern YGO player but I do use some newer cards
My only problem with this mentality is, even "bad" casual budget deck usually have a winning condition of some sort of negation, lock or stun state. Even my janky synchron deck tries to end on as much negation as possible.
Please make a podcast! I would love to listen to it while working! You guys are the best! keep up the good work!
This definitely happened to me. Came in with my Crimson King Structure deck. The guy straight up said in response to me saying I was new after he noted he’s never seen me, “Cool I can show you what I got for YCS Indy”. Guy proceeded to stomp me.
And this is why one piece game is more popular at my locals now. It’s very fair and back and forth for noobs and experienced players. When I played a noob at locals with my Kashtira I did destroy him bad but I also showed him afterwards how to beat the deck. I told him lava golems book of moon etc. he thanked me for that 🤷
Sadly this happened at my locals all the time before they moved shop especially to the new young players. Some just don't get to play at all and a few haven't come back since we re opened which really sucks because I really want the local scene to work but there are too many try hard players who wont teach modern or go easy and just shrug it off as "get good". I do my best to look at what they are running after duels to teach strategy/combos ect and see what they can side but just not enough support from others
Would love a podcast from you guys!
As a new player trying to get into yugioh it's nice to see experienced players with this perspecitve.I found online has been an unplesant experience because I get thrashed almost every time, and just feel overwhelmed, though im going to try going to enter some locals soon since some people ive met there seem nice . It's not losing that bothers me (as a new player I expect I'm going to lose alot at the beginning since I suck). I don't need nor expect other players to go easy on me to the point of handing me a win, but at the same time getting thrased and feeling like I don't have the oppurtunity to breath or try anything is kind of unfun, and does feel unfair.
I get that modern Yugioh is insane and crazy, and new players will have to face that one way or another, but I don't think you need to throw us in the deep end. I think alot of the experienced players got into it as kids, so some take for granted the fact that they got into yugioh when it was far simpler, and got to see it gradually complexify organically overtime. New players don't have that luxury so they have to process and learn 20 years of evolution and powercreep from the get go, which is a tall order.
I am loving this type of content lately, a podcast style series would be awesome!
We've actually been doing one! Have you seen the last few uploads?
I recently started to balance my 2 decks for fun noob friendly but still competent matches against each other. I got my personal deck, and I made a second deck for a "player 2" that I could lend to a friend to play a match. While both decks are competitive on their own, I started to re-balance them together, so that they would be a lot more fun and interactive, instead of just a win by turn 2 or 3 if you go first. That meant countering the other deck really well while also giving enough of a chance and having fun techs instead of the most competitive ones. I'm hoping this is a good way to introduce friends to yugioh, especially because they would not have a yugioh deck themselves and this second one of mine would be a way for them to still experience the game. Basically a VS with good tension, competitiveness, but fun interactive moves, giving a really even and fair experience.
I play Branded Blue-Eyes atm. When I get paired with a kid or new player I'll pretty much ignore the branded part of the deck and just relax with the Blue-Eyes part. Ive thrown a game or 2 doing that specially when a kid showed up playing Crystal beasts. But, I dont usually top anyway so its not a big deal to me. Plus, when its a kid they love seeing a single Blue-Eyes White Dragon hit the board.
I feel just the word "tournament" insinuates that it's going to be competitive.
I recently came back into the game and at the ycs in LA people were very nice and helped me out and explained effects and ruiling i lost but they were nice about it very cool people i'm all for going easy on newer players
I did my first locals recently and greatly appreciated my second opponent. Thinking back he totally could have wrecked me quickly, but he let me play up until I nearly FTKd him. He immediately went for the throat after that shock. After talking to him for a bit, that was clearly his weakest deck he used against me.
Same story, totally agree. Thing is, people always complaining and screaming bout how the game is dying, although that totally isnt true at all since there are more players now probably than there ever were. But it's usually the same guys that are crying like this, that will also crush newbies totally with a misplaced sense of superiority, while not realising or not caring in doing so, that they are actually minimizing the playerbase theirselves
I made a terrible mistake during the first couple of duels against my partner who I was trying to teach the game to. They were coming from no experience whatsoever with card games, and I was dumb and forgot to slow down and not go for game as quick as I should. So please take the advice given in this video, it's not only knowledge testing for you and the newcomer, but also can create just better games period.
Appreciate the video. I'm a new comer to yugioh tcg I'm learning with a friend I'm starting with structure decks just to learn and have casual fun. But still enjoying the game
My first local tournament experience was against Sprights + Frogs. I ran a Branded + Utopia deck and could hardly play, it didn’t denture me, it made me wanna get my real deck up and running to come back and take a win. I’m still yet to come back with my fully built Utopia deck, waiting for that day hopefully this weekend.
happened to me when I started playing a year ago. I bought a single cyber strike constructed deck and got stomped by some meta decks. This did make me want to win, so next week I came back with a new deck with ghostrick which I ordered cards for, however the people were super impatient, getting frustrated at me for taking too long and I lost all my games, I then gave it 1 more chance and bought 3 crystal beast structure decks and once again was shown no mercy so I just stopped going.
I started playing again a few weeks ago at a new shop and it was certainly better as the people there thankfully showed a lot of patience and went easy on me when I was playing my garbage decks
I’ll never forget the first locals I ever went to. Back in 2017 and I had the worst deck imaginable. It was a crumby blue eyes deck that I pieced together with zero idea about the meta. And my first opponent was a really nice guy (who I sadly never saw there again after this night) playing the meta Dark Magician deck during that time and he didn’t know I was a complete noob at first. Probabaly because I at least knew I needed sleeves, deck box, and play mat lol. He went first and you know did the classic DM opening with Rod and set two back row and a circle. Then my first turn happened and I had no idea what to do. He then noticed and ended up helping me and telling what cards I should consider getting to improve my blue eyes deck and how the archetypes work in general. It was really cool of him and it’s a memory I’ll never forget. He still whooped my ass obviously. Not just gonna let me win, but he taught me so much during our round. So then I went back a couple weeks later after improving my deck and doing research and buying the cards I needed and practicing the combos, I felt like a different person going my second time. And played so much better. It was a magical time in my life and I’ll always cherish it. Haven’t been to a locals since 2019 though so it’s been a while haha
I have someone looking for my locals who's relatively new to the game so when I do duel him a match or in freeplay I go a lot easier and take the games more slowly help him comprehend the game explain what my cards do. At my last local he was playing branded so mid-match I'll give them tips about the deck and how it works and what are some good combos.
I remember an OTS tournament at our store where round 3 a guy was going against a kid who literally just built a Marincess deck from a box of deep we gave him for entry. The guy wanted to throw because he was leaving but wanted the kid to learn combos, which the kid didn’t know many and he didn’t want to coach him. Just kept asking him “are you sure you can’t summon another monster from anywhere”. Needless to say he was running tearlament and was the first time most of us noticed they had 1800 Atk and another with 2000 or 2100 def. And that was hard for the kid who wouldnt link summon to get over.
I think you missed one important piece about locals. Now I know not everyone has this option, but if you do, consider going to more than one local card shop. Sometimes the Spikes (competitive players) only play at the biggest store at your area. Sometimes the types of players are drastically different on a store to store basis. You might be pleasantly surprised by experimenting.
This video brings me back to when I was introduced to YuGiOh. The person who was teaching me helped me make a Cyber Dragon deck that was really bad, but it was ok for someone starting out. He would play nothing but meta stuff like Thunder Dragons (this was pre ban) and overall did a really poor job at teaching me. Didn’t even explain the concept of a negate, and did a horrible job at explaining other things. All the crushing defeats made me drop the game for a few years instantly until I decided to try again. There’s still things I really hate about YuGiOh today though, and I feel like I’m slowly losing interest in the game again because of people looking at it from pure competitive play
let new players combo on you so they can understand how exciting it is to rock a good board or summon a big bad boss. Seeing that excitement in a new player is worth so so much. Probably the best feeling in the whole card game imo
I was able to teach my little brother how to play and it is very easy as long as you modify your play style to allow them to use their strats
For me getting back into the game last after not playing since a child it was nice just playing casual at locals before playing a local tournament, I got to learn modern cards and rulings. I took a few ass whoopings but the players I played against helped me so much with how the game works. If it wasn't for those guys and I came against someone really competitive I would probably be richer 😂😂
Digimon is my main competitive game, I was facing a newer player on webcam games on stream. I went easy on him game one. I think a little too easy honestly, he would make mistakes and I would explain optimal play and let him figure stuff out. He was super grateful afterwards and that really made me happy.
I played a newbie last week. Had 3 structures of saga of blue eyes 60 card deck, incomplete extra deck. I was running pure dark magician w/o illusion of chaos and destroyed him. I kept thinking why is this the one time I get the godly first hand smh. But I kinda went easier game 2 however I had a op hand once again. I hope to see him again. Someone gave him a crap ton of blue eyes support cards and I told him to cut his deck down to 40.
I stopped playing YuGiOh for like 6-7 years but started back up less than a month ago.
I had heard about the meta decks but never actually knew what they did until I went to the locals about 3 weeks ago after I heard about Gate Guardians making a return.
My friend had all the new support and gave it to me to use at Locals and I had a guy my friend was worried about me facing immediately in the first round.
I shook hands with him and the guy had asked me if I was new.
I told him I hadn't played since somewhere in the Pendulum era and he switched out his deck, telling me he'd use a deck that should be a bit more my speed if I wasn't up to date with the current meta.
Pretty sure you're not allowed to completely switch decks in a competitive scene, but a fun duel with Red-Eyes and Gate Guardians took place, and I had a blast with him.
I won the best of three, but the next guy basically OTK'd me the first round with Branded but I managed to make it go to game 3.
In all, seeing someone willing to make a competitive duel event feel more friendly for someone starting new or returning after not playing for a while certainly makes it a bit easier to return to play.
and as usual, yes on longer videos and a podcast sort of thing
I play Branded and I consciously do hold back when playing against someone that's clearly new or is playing a less powerfull deck, it is very easy to keep my plays simple, and it can still be a fun interactive game that allows them to still learn about things higher tier decks can do.
I wish I could have some form of organized system where we could fit decks in different power levels so people could match eachother in a casual envoironment without worrying about what they're facing against
You should definitely do a podcast, I would listen to it for sure!
I think the most important thing we as seasoned players can do with new/returning players can do is encourage them to ask to read cards and to not be scared to call a judge if you do not understand something. A lot of new players sometimes just get to intimated to do that.
I actually played a couple of rounds with a newbie a few weeks ago. I think he was legitimately intimidated by me (because his friend walked up to him before the match and tried to give him a pep talk, where he told him to not get intimidated by me, lol). He seemed like a good kid and was trying to play Cubics. I played my Springans Deck, but I did quite a few misplays, all of which I let roll and we had fun. I still ended up winning, butI encouraged him to keep going and asked him why he picked the deck, what plays he thinks he could have done. What possible tech he could choose for next round and so on. I haven't seen him since (he looked a bit too young to be driving), but I hope to see him again.
Sweats who bring YCS level decks to locals is partly why the card shop they were held in separated them into "junior" and "senior" leagues.
That, and some of the older players were ripping off the younger ones.
I run a competitive deck that is full floodgate-control with hand traps and anti meta strategies. When I do my remote duels with less competitive players, I enjoy having a good duel so I have 3 other decks that are still competitive but it’s less hand trap heavy and less floodgate, more aggressive attacks. That way they can stand a chance with whatever deck they run but they can still lose if I pull off the right combos. They’re decks I enjoy playing so I hope to get better with them, I’d never take them to tournaments (with the exception of maybe one) but I played against a guy who played blue eyes and a guy who played crystal beasts and I play Buster Blader so their boss monsters were completely shut down when my Fusion hit the board and none of their dragon monsters could activate effects. I felt bad. I won but I made the gym very unenjoyable for them. I usually play with my lower tier decks when I duel people like that. But if I Duel a new guy and he’s wiping the floor with me, I request a rematch with my competitive deck and when it’s neck and neck with power, it’s fun.