Fun fact, the *code* written specifically for Madaline's movement/player input/state of being is about *5,400 lines* . Many indie games don't have that many lines in their entirety.
@@kenpe8295 Well. Say was this coded by one person? Because I honestly don't see any other way *that* could have been made. Even if it was something I'd written myself I'd probably end up spending more time trying to find what I need than actually writing code. Just looking through some of the variables there's code for movement, camera, hitboxes, cutscene animation, environmental changes. It's insane.
Celeste is a clear example that narrative of a game can greatly enhance the experience of the gameplay. While I love Mario there is no denying that its narrative of "save the princess" is now kind of bare and doesnt add much for what you do in the game as a platformer, while in Celeste the narrative of "overcome and improve your self" fits so well with the player overcoming obstacles through mastery of the mechanics and levels.
I've never been a fan of these types of comments. Just because one game is great doesn't mean you have to tear another one down just to make your argument look better. Good games are good on their own, not because its compared to another
@@JettPistol Yeah but in Celeste the music represents something, it's nice to listen to sure but as you progress through the game the music is an integral part. Not only does it make the death heavy gameplay more bearable but it moulds the feelings of the player so that we can empathise with Madeline and her battle with depression, anxiety and her struggle up the mountain. In Mario it's more like " wow this is a sand level so it has funky desert music ." I would probably say that Mario music is overall better as Celeste is just an indie game and Mario is well Mario but I still stick with my original comment.
For the Crystal Heart name "Eye of the Storm" it's a reference to how the warp whistle makes a tornado to warp Mario to other worlds. It's a really neat reference!
OwO It’s a term that can be used to refer to anxiety. Which Madeline has and is shown in chapter 4. I really believe that this game has nothing to do with mario and much less this comparison.
I think what I enjoyed most about Celeste was the area of the game where they bring back all of the mechanics but with an additional power in the mix. I won't spoil what it is but that entire sequence feels incredible, putting all your skills to the test by taking the unique elements of previous levels and ramping them up even further. Of course the B and C sides do this as well but that level in the story was really where the game shined for me. I really felt like I had accomplished the goal Madeline set out to do.
Afrohawk It really does. That level is my favourite "final-exam" type level of all time, followed closly by the completely unrelated Rhythm Heaven Fever's final level. Don't know if I'll ever be able to finish the C-side though. I haven't been able to finish the mirror-temple C-side yet.
To me the beat blocks kind of reminds me of Music Madness from Donkey Kong Country Returns. Where you have to follow the beat to the drums, platforms and jets to make it through the level. I just got Steam so I'm putting Celeste on my wishlist.
One thing with Celeste that it doesn't borrow but is still really innovative is the concept of the bside. You can really see in Celeste that the bside and csides really allowed for Celeste to have really interesting stage gimmicks and go really dark with then
My favorite part of Celeste is when you've already beaten the game and it decides to through new game mechanics at you in the bonus levels. Like jumping off a wall as you boost up to it, that one through me off guard.
The M U S I C in this game is outstanding. it made the difficult parts not so bad cause I get to keep listening to the amazing tracks. Especially the b side remixes.
Having a new Nitro video on Celeste, that discusses elements of the game that hasn't been already discussed before is great way for me to enjoy my B-Day. Thank you truly.
On the topic of the Shadow Mario-style enemies, N++ has a really great implementation of them using both physical stage hazards and the unique movement system to its advantage.
Wait a minute the chapter that uses the directional input blocks from Mario 3 is the same chapter that has a block from that same game that you have to fall through for a crystal heart Well played
Celeste is by far one of my favorite games of the year so far and is quickly becoming one of my favorites of all time. Very nice video comparing it to Mario’s mechanics!
I got this game on a whim and I loved it! Its challenging but I just could not stop playing till I beat the main story. Got all the strawberries with the beat ending. Although I'm still having trouble with the last 2 b sides. Are we going to get a full video of celeste? I would love to see you do one. Your videos are the best!
Those floating blue relics that knock madeline in any direction always reminded me of the mines that blew ash around in the acceptance world of The End is nigh.
I have to say, I love your game reviews, you don't just throw your opinion on the audience by saying if it's "The Best Game of All Time" or "This game is hot ass" You dont give an explination of what the game provides and how it affects the gameplay and let your audience decide whether or not it sounds intriguing to them. You're definately a very unique game reviewer and I love you for that. I hope you make it up to the greats like Pro Jared and Peanut Butter gamer, because honestly, you put x2 the work into your videos.
You can also jump on particular enemies' heads to bounce upwards for example: Mr.Oshiro Snowball at golden ridge During badeline bossfight(no,not the chase)the one eyed monster in mirror temple,and even the spaces without ground (where if u hit them you die,you must turn on assist mode and enable immortality)and lastly,lava and water in the core/core b side where you again need immortality to bounce off of.
Surprised no one's mentioned Shadows of the Colossus with the grip. I watched the vid before playing Celeste and just hearing you could "lose grip" on the walls immediately made me think that, and after playing the game, it does carry a similar type of "of god, I hope I dont run out of Grip, I got to find some place to land" when holding onto walls for long periods of time
I'd strongly recommend N++ if you're into unique 2D platformers. Most people remember N, the freeware flash game, and N+ from Xbox Arcade, but N++ is basically the refined, perfected version of the previous games. Instead of the typical movement you're used to with classic platformers, the game has unique physics to it where you accelerate and use your momentum to platform. People generally label the game as having "floaty" platforming, but it works in the games favour, and learning how to use it to your advantage is what the game is all about. Between the minimalist style of the visuals, the music and sound design, and the perfect controls, playing through the game just feels great. The difficulty goes from blatantly simple, to probably the toughest platforming challenges in video game history. But considering how fair the controls are, it's hard to blame the game for your mistakes. It's like pure platforming zen. The game doesn't get nearly enough attention than it deserves. (Also on the note of discussing thing Celeste does well, that evil clone tangent applies perfectly to N++ as well. There's an enemy called Evil Ninjas similar the the evil Rayman/Mario cosmic clone thing, but the way they're used in different levels becomes more and more of an obstacle and requires careful planning.) tl;dr: is great game. play. :) store.steampowered.com/app/230270/N_NPLUSPLUS/
Ohmygod i remember playing the DS version of N+ a fuckton years ago. It gets kinda hard in some chapters like using the bouncing blocks to move between places filled with mines or walljumping between very narrow spaces
The way Madeline's dash can interact with everything around her at once (i.e the moving gear tread platforms) honestly reminds me of WarioLand: Shake Dimension, or even his ass slam from earlier Warioland games, having something imperative to your toolset that can potentially rearrange the level or at least shuffle its elements to a disadvantage if used recklessly
Nitro Rad Really? That’s a shame man. Canadian accent or not the analysis would still be spot on. I’d say that’s what really matters. Ya know, aside from letting you know about how Chargin’ Chucks are in 3D World again. And again. And again. And again.
@@NitroRad Hello Nitro Rad, Please ignore them. It is a shame that you should feel you should hide your Canadian accents because of people. On the contrary, I'd like you to remain the dude you actually are, don't force yourself to be otherwise. Also, there is a ludicrous amount of videos in American English on the internet, so listening to another accent is overwhelmingly refreshing; that accent is not missed... at all. Actually, that is quite unfortunate that the American accent seems to be the norm in videos and in English courses at schools. Please, keep up the good work!
I work on becoming a game developer and what I want to focus on is programming and the aesthetic. What you described is what I have been saying for years. Take a concept, but build on it and change it or use it in more fun ways. Tf2 did this when Quake had rocket jumping and Tf2 expanded on this by making it much more fun and a core part of the class's ability. But then Overwatch did it backwards. Instead of Celeste improving on Rayman's mechanic it's instead was Rayman degrading Celeste's mechanic. They made Pharah launch with a button and just float in the air or shoot down. Tf2 added this later with the parachute but the core is still there to maneuver and Overwatch just dumbed it down for kiddies in a sense. I would rather take an element like meelee and improving that for fps. Press meelee then either left or right mosue to attack or block, duck to swipe kick or jump while ducking to knock them up in the air. The enemy can block with their weapon, if they block they simply gets knocked back a little and take damage but if they don't then they get either knocked down or stunned a little. This means that range must keep a distance while meelee isn't about hitting them enough before they start shooting and makes meelee a viable option in a shooter along with more free movement, I actually managed to take the wall jumping from Shane Beck's tutorial and implement it well into my fps script. I want to see more variety and creative use of abilities and mechanics to add on to a game. Like when sequels take the old, but add more and improve the old like Red Alert 2 adding new units and upgrading the old by making them unique for each faction
Y'know, I think a lot of what you said about the Badeline levels can apply to the evil ninjas in N++. A few levels are typical chase scenes with only one or two, but a lot of them have you go through an endless number of them while trying to hit switches and navigate mines and such.
I'd agree with you except for the white block. I love SMB3 and grew up with it, but nobody today is going to figure that out without a guide or background mario knowledge and the fact that it's required in order to unlock the final B-Side and all the C-sides is absolutely appalling. I love Celeste as a game, story and experience but the cryptic blue hearts were retarded. Good easter eggs, great mind-bending out-of-the-box puzzles that play with the mechanics of the game, but locking legit great platform challenges behind cryptic shit is stupid and I don't support it.
Yeah I can see that. Since I also grew up with SMB3 this one in particular registered as a cute surprise, I enter this room and it's almost like I'm greeted by an old friend. But since it's a very binary case of either you get the reference or there's nothing to help you, it'd feel kinda shitty to be in the latter category. The puzzle-based blue hearts weren't great in general, tbh. Chapter 1 stumped me for 20 minutes before I gave up, and I later came back after talking to a friend who told me one of the things I'd already tried (in fact, the very first thing) was the correct solution. So clearly I had made a mistake in executing that solution, but since the game doesn't respond to anything but the exact correct input, I had no way to identify the mistake or reason to suspect that was any less wrong than all the other ideas I tossed at the wall. Chapter 6 exacerbated this problem by obscuring the symbol representing the last sequence. I stumbled into that one by testing an interpretation of the visible symbols that later turned out to be wrong, which only reinforced an incorrect idea of how the puzzle worked, and the room proceeded to suck all joy out of me until I caved and looked up the answer. Yeah, you can look up a walkthrough to skip all of these and get to the good stuff they're hiding, and if you're already indifferent to cryptic puzzles it's not a big deal. But if you're someone who generally likes figuring out this kind of thing, exhausting yourself and giving up because the puzzle is poorly designed feels like a really condescending gut punch (ironic given the game's encouraging attitude). And even disregarding the UX angle, if the response to a game design gripe is "you can just look up how to bypass it", that is sort of admitting the element is bad. & just to pre-empt a common form of response (not directed at anyone already in this thread but I see this happen all the time): I LOVE Celeste, it's my fav. game of 2018 so far. Explaining in detail why I didn't like one part does not equal to hating the whole. OK and thanks.
The platforms that either appear or disappear after jumping/dashing are also borrowed from mario. I'm not sure where they orriginated, but i saw them first in 3d land.
I recently really wanted to replay Celeste but before I started, I learned Mario is actually a cited inspiration for the devs, so just for fun I decided to play Mario 3 before replaying Celeste and one thing I realized from that experience is that the boss fight with Mr Oshiro is probably inspired by the angry Sun from Mario 3! The Sun in Mario 3’s whole thing was that you had to run in a level constantly worried of getting suddenly attacked and constantly had to decide whether you should keep going or wait for an attack so you could have a few seconds of level uninterrupted, Mr Oshiro’s chase is exactly that pumped up to 11!
I said my last comment into a search engine it Search for Metroid The NES version in particular but the audio was about a movie called girls girls girls wtf
The bubbles you enter that shoot you out in different directions are definitely inspired from Kirby, and absolutely does them better in a platforming sense, whereas in Kirby they just functioned like cannons pretty much and shot you from one place to the next, Celeste has you launch out with the need to make split-second decisions right after, as well as choosing the firing direction
Jack's Stache i personally didn't play it but it looks a bit too grindy and time consuming for me. I like games that are actually fun to play and move around and i doubt that monster hunter world will be an enjoyable experience for me. It looks good but not the kind of game for me :3
I know this video is a year old, but I wanted to mention that N++ does something very similar with the idea of clones following your movements. Because N++ creates non linear environments like Celeste, the idea of an obstacle course created by you is also present in that game.
I love how Badeline laughs when she kills you. Speaking of which, I don't think she actually kills you. I think when your fears and anxiety (Badeline) catch up with you, you give up, thus ending the game. That's why you have to keep moving, not dwelling on the same thoughts and ground or you'll give up. Just my little interpretation of it anyway, dunno if anyone agrees.
hey James, i was wondering are you ever going to review lost odyssey for the xbox 360? its such a good game and no one ever talks about it. i hope you see this!
WOW! That jacket in the thumbnail looks cool! I should wear jackets more often... Why don't I do that? *Looks at everlasting rain outside his window Oh... Because of that...
That white block in Celeste was a dick. I had never played the original Mario game nor even heard of the secret, and you have to crouch on it for longer than any interaction with anything else. Needless to say, I had no idea how to get that heart until I asked someone else.
Honestly celeste for me was more similar to the end is nigh than super meat boy, but they are both hard platformers made by the same person so i guess it makes sense xd
Hey nitro! I have been watching you for a long time and all of your videos, they are so great! Keep em coming :) I recommend you playing Enter the gungeon and slay the spire and do a review, those are very great games.
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Interesting to see Celeste taking inspiration from both SMB and SMB. ;)
Look what you did!! X3
you cheeky lil frick
Technically, Super Meat Boy took inspiration from Matt's games first, lol.
Arkatox The circle came to an end
this took me a sec but damn
Fun fact, the *code* written specifically for Madaline's movement/player input/state of being is about *5,400 lines* .
Many indie games don't have that many lines in their entirety.
Bat the code for Madeline's movement was recently made public, I think this was the link: github.com/NoelFB/Celeste/blob/master/Source/Player.cs
"Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight." (Bill Gates)
Qbe Root No Fun Allowed in a Fun Fact
Hemang Chauhan that would not necessarily have to be a good thing
@@kenpe8295
Well. Say was this coded by one person? Because I honestly don't see any other way *that* could have been made. Even if it was something I'd written myself I'd probably end up spending more time trying to find what I need than actually writing code.
Just looking through some of the variables there's code for movement, camera, hitboxes, cutscene animation, environmental changes. It's insane.
Celeste is a clear example that narrative of a game can greatly enhance the experience of the gameplay. While I love Mario there is no denying that its narrative of "save the princess" is now kind of bare and doesnt add much for what you do in the game as a platformer, while in Celeste the narrative of "overcome and improve your self" fits so well with the player overcoming obstacles through mastery of the mechanics and levels.
And the music enhances the experience in my opinion more than Mario.
I've never been a fan of these types of comments. Just because one game is great doesn't mean you have to tear another one down just to make your argument look better. Good games are good on their own, not because its compared to another
@@pervertpenguinproductions2425 Mario has actually much more immersive music and incredibly catchy tunes, especially in the 3D games
@@JettPistol Yeah but in Celeste the music represents something, it's nice to listen to sure but as you progress through the game the music is an integral part. Not only does it make the death heavy gameplay more bearable but it moulds the feelings of the player so that we can empathise with Madeline and her battle with depression, anxiety and her struggle up the mountain. In Mario it's more like " wow this is a sand level so it has funky desert music ." I would probably say that Mario music is overall better as Celeste is just an indie game and Mario is well Mario but I still stick with my original comment.
For the Crystal Heart name "Eye of the Storm" it's a reference to how the warp whistle makes a tornado to warp Mario to other worlds. It's a really neat reference!
OwO hi Anna
The Golden Ridge is also based heavily around wind, so the comparison could go either way.
OwO It’s a term that can be used to refer to anxiety. Which Madeline has and is shown in chapter 4. I really believe that this game has nothing to do with mario and much less this comparison.
I think what I enjoyed most about Celeste was the area of the game where they bring back all of the mechanics but with an additional power in the mix. I won't spoil what it is but that entire sequence feels incredible, putting all your skills to the test by taking the unique elements of previous levels and ramping them up even further. Of course the B and C sides do this as well but that level in the story was really where the game shined for me. I really felt like I had accomplished the goal Madeline set out to do.
Afrohawk It really does. That level is my favourite "final-exam" type level of all time, followed closly by the completely unrelated Rhythm Heaven Fever's final level. Don't know if I'll ever be able to finish the C-side though. I haven't been able to finish the mirror-temple C-side yet.
Don't forget that level in B/C-side where it takes you through every mechanic in a single screen, one after the other.
So does this make Celeste the queen of platformers?
Pretty much
This is not the queen of platformers. This is peak perfection of a video game.
I agree with Ryan...
Ryan... Yes it is
Did Ryan's reply get deleted?
To me the beat blocks kind of reminds me of Music Madness from Donkey Kong Country Returns. Where you have to follow the beat to the drums, platforms and jets to make it through the level. I just got Steam so I'm putting Celeste on my wishlist.
Everything borrows from DKCR and DKTR, whether they realize it or not.
Beat Blocks reminds me more of the AWFUL "Switcheroo" level from DKCR, this level used to HAUNT me back when I played the game for the first time
Switcheroo is closer to the flip-swap panels and flip-out walls from Galaxy 2. A better beat blocks comparison is 9-5 from the 3DS port.
One thing with Celeste that it doesn't borrow but is still really innovative is the concept of the bside. You can really see in Celeste that the bside and csides really allowed for Celeste to have really interesting stage gimmicks and go really dark with then
*them
My favorite part of Celeste is when you've already beaten the game and it decides to through new game mechanics at you in the bonus levels. Like jumping off a wall as you boost up to it, that one through me off guard.
The M U S I C in this game is outstanding. it made the difficult parts not so bad cause I get to keep listening to the amazing tracks. Especially the b side remixes.
The Chapter 6 remix kept me sane my first time through that hell of a B-Side. (Which I've now beaten several times. :3)
But does the "thing" go skrra?
LMAO
Matt maybe
Matt pa pa pa pa ka, skibiki pa pa and a kumkumkurrumkum. SKIA!
Having a new Nitro video on Celeste, that discusses elements of the game that hasn't been already discussed before is great way for me to enjoy my B-Day. Thank you truly.
Regular Random Person Happy very late birthday.
Nyanadventurer the second I'm truly grateful (and truly late) thank you
You forgot that you can stomp at Mr Oshiro when he chases Madeline and at the one eyed tentacle enemies
Yo Celeste is good but have you tried playing Celeste yet?
if celeste is so good why isn't there a celeste 2
R/facepalm Games take a lot of time
@@viribpie r/woooosh r/foundthemobileuser
r/facepalm, Bro that’s not how whooshes work,
@@viribpie
r/woooosh
Dude look over the comments again you got double wooshed
1:51
missed opportunity for
" hold my beer "
Just the other day, I found the white Super Mario 3 block. I instantly recognized it. I jumped on it and held down... and I LOST IT when it worked!!!
On the topic of the Shadow Mario-style enemies, N++ has a really great implementation of them using both physical stage hazards and the unique movement system to its advantage.
nitro really should play the game celeste its really good
Hey Nitro Rad have you heard of a game called Celeste you might like it
Yeah nitro rad, celeste is really good, you should play it some time
What are you guys talking about, he's already played it.
yeah nitro never played it
So you're saying he only watched others play it for this video?
When he showed the b-side of the chapter 4 ...the horror flashback came back ...pain
Wait a minute the chapter that uses the directional input blocks from Mario 3 is the same chapter that has a block from that same game that you have to fall through for a crystal heart
Well played
Your channel is pure gold, my friend! Keep it up!
Celeste is by far one of my favorite games of the year so far and is quickly becoming one of my favorites of all time. Very nice video comparing it to Mario’s mechanics!
HOLY MOTHER OF INTROS
The video starts at 2:27
I got this game on a whim and I loved it! Its challenging but I just could not stop playing till I beat the main story. Got all the strawberries with the beat ending. Although I'm still having trouble with the last 2 b sides.
Are we going to get a full video of celeste? I would love to see you do one. Your videos are the best!
OH BOY DO I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU!
C-sides... its the C-sides
You can quite literally make a 30 minute video on how good the music In this game is- that’s mainly why it’s my favorite game of all time.
Did you play Blackhole and/or Shantae?
Those floating blue relics that knock madeline in any direction always reminded me of the mines that blew ash around in the acceptance world of The End is nigh.
The intro sounds like it's saying "Knife-throw Fred"
I have to say, I love your game reviews, you don't just throw your opinion on the audience by saying if it's "The Best Game of All Time" or "This game is hot ass" You dont give an explination of what the game provides and how it affects the gameplay and let your audience decide whether or not it sounds intriguing to them. You're definately a very unique game reviewer and I love you for that. I hope you make it up to the greats like Pro Jared and Peanut Butter gamer, because honestly, you put x2 the work into your videos.
I like your vids because you actually know what your talking about
4:07 me: *WAIT YOU CAN DO THAT* *starts boss fight
You can also jump on particular enemies' heads to bounce upwards for example:
Mr.Oshiro
Snowball at golden ridge
During badeline bossfight(no,not the chase)the one eyed monster in mirror temple,and even the spaces without ground (where if u hit them you die,you must turn on assist mode and enable immortality)and lastly,lava and water in the core/core b side where you again need immortality to bounce off of.
Awesome, glad to see you back with a video after all the random stuff you've been posting lately.
Surprised no one's mentioned Shadows of the Colossus with the grip. I watched the vid before playing Celeste and just hearing you could "lose grip" on the walls immediately made me think that, and after playing the game, it does carry a similar type of "of god, I hope I dont run out of Grip, I got to find some place to land" when holding onto walls for long periods of time
I was looking for that one "shadows of colossus" fanboy.
Everytime some game has stamina mechanic its a SOC copy right??
I'd strongly recommend N++ if you're into unique 2D platformers. Most people remember N, the freeware flash game, and N+ from Xbox Arcade, but N++ is basically the refined, perfected version of the previous games. Instead of the typical movement you're used to with classic platformers, the game has unique physics to it where you accelerate and use your momentum to platform. People generally label the game as having "floaty" platforming, but it works in the games favour, and learning how to use it to your advantage is what the game is all about.
Between the minimalist style of the visuals, the music and sound design, and the perfect controls, playing through the game just feels great. The difficulty goes from blatantly simple, to probably the toughest platforming challenges in video game history. But considering how fair the controls are, it's hard to blame the game for your mistakes. It's like pure platforming zen. The game doesn't get nearly enough attention than it deserves.
(Also on the note of discussing thing Celeste does well, that evil clone tangent applies perfectly to N++ as well. There's an enemy called Evil Ninjas similar the the evil Rayman/Mario cosmic clone thing, but the way they're used in different levels becomes more and more of an obstacle and requires careful planning.)
tl;dr: is great game. play. :) store.steampowered.com/app/230270/N_NPLUSPLUS/
Ohmygod i remember playing the DS version of N+ a fuckton years ago.
It gets kinda hard in some chapters like using the bouncing blocks to move between places filled with mines or walljumping between very narrow spaces
I wd love to play n++...but i passed after watching that ecotistical trailer on youtube.
The way Madeline's dash can interact with everything around her at once (i.e the moving gear tread platforms) honestly reminds me of WarioLand: Shake Dimension, or even his ass slam from earlier Warioland games, having something imperative to your toolset that can potentially rearrange the level or at least shuffle its elements to a disadvantage if used recklessly
*Listens to how he says borrows.*
Oh yeah, keep on forgetting he’s Canadian.
I do at least try really hard to pronounce things the american way because i get a lot of people commenting about how they hate my Canadian accent.
Nitro Rad Really? That’s a shame man. Canadian accent or not the analysis would still be spot on. I’d say that’s what really matters.
Ya know, aside from letting you know about how Chargin’ Chucks are in 3D World again. And again. And again. And again.
@@NitroRad Hello Nitro Rad,
Please ignore them. It is a shame that you should feel you should hide your Canadian accents because of people. On the contrary, I'd like you to remain the dude you actually are, don't force yourself to be otherwise. Also, there is a ludicrous amount of videos in American English on the internet, so listening to another accent is overwhelmingly refreshing; that accent is not missed... at all. Actually, that is quite unfortunate that the American accent seems to be the norm in videos and in English courses at schools.
Please, keep up the good work!
This vid make me buy this game on switch. Currently going for 200%. Thank you for introducing me to this masterpiece
You're very good anaylising things, James (NR). Keep up the good work =D !
1:38 *RAMP* ing it up
I work on becoming a game developer and what I want to focus on is programming and the aesthetic. What you described is what I have been saying for years. Take a concept, but build on it and change it or use it in more fun ways. Tf2 did this when Quake had rocket jumping and Tf2 expanded on this by making it much more fun and a core part of the class's ability.
But then Overwatch did it backwards. Instead of Celeste improving on Rayman's mechanic it's instead was Rayman degrading Celeste's mechanic. They made Pharah launch with a button and just float in the air or shoot down. Tf2 added this later with the parachute but the core is still there to maneuver and Overwatch just dumbed it down for kiddies in a sense.
I would rather take an element like meelee and improving that for fps.
Press meelee then either left or right mosue to attack or block, duck to swipe kick or jump while ducking to knock them up in the air.
The enemy can block with their weapon, if they block they simply gets knocked back a little and take damage but if they don't then they get either knocked down or stunned a little.
This means that range must keep a distance while meelee isn't about hitting them enough before they start shooting and makes meelee a viable option in a shooter along with more free movement, I actually managed to take the wall jumping from Shane Beck's tutorial and implement it well into my fps script.
I want to see more variety and creative use of abilities and mechanics to add on to a game. Like when sequels take the old, but add more and improve the old like Red Alert 2 adding new units and upgrading the old by making them unique for each faction
Y'know, I think a lot of what you said about the Badeline levels can apply to the evil ninjas in N++. A few levels are typical chase scenes with only one or two, but a lot of them have you go through an endless number of them while trying to hit switches and navigate mines and such.
I'd agree with you except for the white block.
I love SMB3 and grew up with it, but nobody today is going to figure that out without a guide or background mario knowledge and the fact that it's required in order to unlock the final B-Side and all the C-sides is absolutely appalling.
I love Celeste as a game, story and experience but the cryptic blue hearts were retarded. Good easter eggs, great mind-bending out-of-the-box puzzles that play with the mechanics of the game, but locking legit great platform challenges behind cryptic shit is stupid and I don't support it.
you could just look up a walkthrough
Nitro Rad doesn't make it any better
i had a huge problem with this as i wanted to find all the secrets myself - this was super annoying to do.
Yeah I can see that. Since I also grew up with SMB3 this one in particular registered as a cute surprise, I enter this room and it's almost like I'm greeted by an old friend. But since it's a very binary case of either you get the reference or there's nothing to help you, it'd feel kinda shitty to be in the latter category.
The puzzle-based blue hearts weren't great in general, tbh. Chapter 1 stumped me for 20 minutes before I gave up, and I later came back after talking to a friend who told me one of the things I'd already tried (in fact, the very first thing) was the correct solution. So clearly I had made a mistake in executing that solution, but since the game doesn't respond to anything but the exact correct input, I had no way to identify the mistake or reason to suspect that was any less wrong than all the other ideas I tossed at the wall. Chapter 6 exacerbated this problem by obscuring the symbol representing the last sequence. I stumbled into that one by testing an interpretation of the visible symbols that later turned out to be wrong, which only reinforced an incorrect idea of how the puzzle worked, and the room proceeded to suck all joy out of me until I caved and looked up the answer.
Yeah, you can look up a walkthrough to skip all of these and get to the good stuff they're hiding, and if you're already indifferent to cryptic puzzles it's not a big deal. But if you're someone who generally likes figuring out this kind of thing, exhausting yourself and giving up because the puzzle is poorly designed feels like a really condescending gut punch (ironic given the game's encouraging attitude). And even disregarding the UX angle, if the response to a game design gripe is "you can just look up how to bypass it", that is sort of admitting the element is bad.
& just to pre-empt a common form of response (not directed at anyone already in this thread but I see this happen all the time): I LOVE Celeste, it's my fav. game of 2018 so far. Explaining in detail why I didn't like one part does not equal to hating the whole. OK and thanks.
ModeSeven I agree literally the only blue heart that was good was the old site one
Just bought Celeste yesterday and I'm very impressed so far
Celeste also has wavedashing, an infamous exploit from Melee. And in chapter 9 it makes good use of it.
By the way, have you played Chapter 9 yet (a new chapter came out recently) it is super amazing but also very challenging. It's great
New Nitro Rad video? Y U M
pls do not eat me
The platforms that either appear or disappear after jumping/dashing are also borrowed from mario. I'm not sure where they orriginated, but i saw them first in 3d land.
I recently really wanted to replay Celeste but before I started, I learned Mario is actually a cited inspiration for the devs, so just for fun I decided to play Mario 3 before replaying Celeste and one thing I realized from that experience is that the boss fight with Mr Oshiro is probably inspired by the angry Sun from Mario 3! The Sun in Mario 3’s whole thing was that you had to run in a level constantly worried of getting suddenly attacked and constantly had to decide whether you should keep going or wait for an attack so you could have a few seconds of level uninterrupted, Mr Oshiro’s chase is exactly that pumped up to 11!
Awesome and original video !!! Great JOB !!!!
It's a small thing but you can totally hear hints of the temple of darkness theme from A Link to the Past in the mirror temple
Any plans to make more in depth review or do you think that everything that could be said about this game have been already told?
here i am still hoping nitrorad does camera obscura
Celeste really takes a lot of cues from mario.
Man, I would love to see you do some Persona reviews
Is there a reason in tendo put this fi Next to each other I want to buy them both at the same time if they are related ?
Also wanna get a hat in time but apparently they've only released 5 out of the 7 level
I said my last comment into a search engine it Search for Metroid The NES version in particular but the audio was about a movie called girls girls girls wtf
not to mention the kevin blocks being very thwomp like, but repurposed to be a platforming tool rather than obstacle
The bubbles you enter that shoot you out in different directions are definitely inspired from Kirby, and absolutely does them better in a platforming sense, whereas in Kirby they just functioned like cannons pretty much and shot you from one place to the next, Celeste has you launch out with the need to make split-second decisions right after, as well as choosing the firing direction
Man you should make a legit Celeste video
The red bubbles reminds me of the donkey kong country barrel stages, and the floating, multi-legged purple guys remind me of the boos in mario.
Yesss, finally!
Can't wait to watch it, Celeste is my current top game of 2018 by faaaar
SolarWind what about Monster Hunter world?
Jack's Stache i personally didn't play it but it looks a bit too grindy and time consuming for me.
I like games that are actually fun to play and move around and i doubt that monster hunter world will be an enjoyable experience for me. It looks good but not the kind of game for me :3
Jack's Stache
Monster Hunter World could be a 10/10 and still be topped by Celeste. :)
A solid half of the footage used in this video gave me black and white ptsd flashbacks of the b side stages.
I know this video is a year old, but I wanted to mention that N++ does something very similar with the idea of clones following your movements. Because N++ creates non linear environments like Celeste, the idea of an obstacle course created by you is also present in that game.
Had no idea you made a vid about this already
When celeste is being chased by shadow celeste, it was like in mario which was stolen by sonic which was stolen from link.
"stolen", not really, facing your evil self it's a common trope with older roots than videogames.
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I have many favorite video games, but this one is definetly my personal favorite, because it reminds me so much of myself.
Internet:Did you steal this from MARIO?
Celeste:well yes, but actually no.
I love how Badeline laughs when she kills you. Speaking of which, I don't think she actually kills you. I think when your fears and anxiety (Badeline) catch up with you, you give up, thus ending the game. That's why you have to keep moving, not dwelling on the same thoughts and ground or you'll give up. Just my little interpretation of it anyway, dunno if anyone agrees.
hey James, i was wondering are you ever going to review lost odyssey for the xbox 360? its such a good game and no one ever talks about it. i hope you see this!
WOW! That jacket in the thumbnail looks cool!
I should wear jackets more often... Why don't I do that?
*Looks at everlasting rain outside his window
Oh... Because of that...
im calling this my favorite game of all time.
Shoutouts to Simpleflips
Celeste borrowed this idea from SMO:
Being the best Platformers ever
You should try Mighty switch force, a really good game using the same block mechanic you talked about but in an inventive and original way.
That white block in Celeste was a dick. I had never played the original Mario game nor even heard of the secret, and you have to crouch on it for longer than any interaction with anything else. Needless to say, I had no idea how to get that heart until I asked someone else.
Honestly celeste for me was more similar to the end is nigh than super meat boy, but they are both hard platformers made by the same person so i guess it makes sense xd
How about The Witch's House for your next RPG Maker Horror Game review?
The disappearing blocks were popularized by Megaman.
I know im late here, but another connection to mario i noticed are some of the later stages almost seem kaizo style rom-hack inspired
Just picked this up for only $5 on Switch, and man is it perfect!
honestly why it's my favorite game this year (except Axiom Verge, i've gotten addicted to it and won't stop until I beat it)
Ive gotten really into it, it is a heavily improved version of super meat boy yet so different in its own way!
Hey nitro! I have been watching you for a long time and all of your videos, they are so great! Keep em coming :) I recommend you playing Enter the gungeon and slay the spire and do a review, those are very great games.
Without a doubt, the SMB3 easter egg was LIT
Hey, this isn't one of Celeste®'s authentic heavenly Italian pizzas for one that microwaves in 2 minutes!
Celeste®. Pizza for one™.
Nitro rad really be contemplating his existence in the thumbnail though.
Just like me when I played celeste.
This video made me get Celeste, and now it’s one of my favorite games!
im really sad you did not make a "does what nintenDONT" reference at the end
Celeste definitely took inspiration from DKC with its level design philosophy which is amazing.
The level design also represents the metaphor of the games story
bro i had no idea the white block actually served a purpose in celeste, i just thought it was a cool nod !
And most important this game gives you this fun with less price! in my country celeste is 7 tl with discount and last mario games are 600 tl ://
like, utterly off topic. but where are you from? because the way you say borrow, just curious.
Middens video, pls?
The one-up strawberry in celeste is a reference to Mario (duh).
If you like Celeste, I think you will also like Blackhole, its similar but also have its unique dynamic :)
The only game I can compare this to (aside from Mario bros 3 and meat boy) is Aban Hawkins & the 1000 Spikes?
loook so hard!! thanks for the review bro
You should review
Lone survivor or Diablo!