Grateful for your knowledge sharing and Sarabeth for the media support and patience while helping her Dad to bring such good information to us all 🙏🏻 blessings 💐🧁☕️ a small aside have watched the day off shorts several times, my goodness they make my heart happy and to hear you both giggle and laugh at the mules antics is a true blessing, thank you and may those you all care for be blessed also 🙏🏻👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you so much! It truly means a whole lot to me. I will tell Sarabeth 💜 for you also. I really appreciate the kind encouraging words. Thank you so much for being here and taking time to watch and comment. I appreciate your dedication to my channel. Take care and do come again, please! God bless.
Dear Zach Happy Thanksgiving to you and Sarabeth, thank you for letting me see how beautiful everything is there, God bless you all there and your animals too Take care my friend
Hello Steve! Thank you, my friend. I sure appreciate it and you are most welcome. I’m glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for taking time to watch and comment. Take care and do come again, please! God bless.
Thank you, sir! I’m glad you enjoyed it. And thank you for taking time to watch and comment. I surely appreciate it! Take care and do come again, please. God bless.
Thank you ma’am for the kind words! And yes ma’am, I think Sarabeth 💜 did a fine job as well. I’m so proud of her! Thank you again for the kind words! And thank you for taking time to watch and comment. I appreciate your dedication to my channel. Take care and do come again, please! God bless.
Yes, sir Mr. Dale! She did a wonderful job huh? Thank you so much for the kind words my friend and we had a great time together. Thank you for taking time to always watch and comment on my videos. I appreciate your dedication to my channel. Take care my friend and do come again, please
Zach enjoyed the the content today, hopefully this wood market will make a turn in 2025. Railroads inventory on crossties is still high but a lot of winter would help tremendously up north and south regions.
Yes sir I agree with you! And thank you very kindly… Also, thank you for taking time to watch and comment. I surely appreciate it! Take care and do come again, please. God bless.
Love your videos we built a logging cart after yours in the videos we really are starting to get used to it and like it a lot we are also going to have a mini horse progress day here at the farm in May
That is very cool! And I’m glad the login cart plans worked out for you. It is a good set of plans… Thank you so much for being here and also taking time to watch and comment. I truly appreciate it! Take care and do come again, please. God bless
You are giving a good education here, Zach. I had some of this in high school ag class, but not in this depth and detail. I keep sharing your videos into home school groups. Following you is a decent business and forestry class.
Thank you, Man! That truly means a lot to me. And I’m glad you enjoy the videos and see some use of them. That makes it work doing. Thank you for being here and also taking time to watch and comment. Take care and do come again, please! God bless
Yes, sir, we had a great Thanksgiving! How about you? Thank you for taking time to watch and comment on my video as always. I appreciate your dedication to my channel. Take care and do come again, please. God bless.
That is very cool! I’m glad you enjoyed the videos. Thank you so much for being here; and take time to watch and comment. I appreciate that! Take care my friend and do come again, please! God bless.
Thank you, my friend! I’m glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for taking time to watch and comment. Yes, we had a great Thanksgiving. Thank you for asking! I appreciate it. Take care and do come again, please! God bless.
Thank you, sir! I’m glad you enjoyed the video and thank you very much for taking time to watch and comment. We love you all too. Take care my friend and do come again, please. God bless.
Nice to see Sarabeth! I was a meat cutter for 49 years, there's grades of meat, prime, choice, select, and noroll! I understand the grading of logs, worked at it for a few years!
Hey Mr Grady! It’s good to hear from you buddy. I hope you all are doing well and had a good Thanksgiving. Yessir, same concept on the different cuts. Thanks for being here my friend and taking time to watch and comment. Take care and do come again, please
Yes ma’am for sure. One needs to know what to take and what to leave to let grow some more. Thanks for being here and taking time to watch and comment. I appreciate it. Take care and do come again, please
Hello Billy! Thank you buddy. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. And I hope you had a happy Thanksgiving?! Thank you for taking time to always watch and comment on my video brother. I appreciate you! Take care and do come again, please. God bless
Thank you, sir! And it is good to hear from you. I hope you are well! I’m glad you enjoyed the video. That makes it work doing. Thank you for being here taking time to watch and come. Take care my friend come again, please. God bless.
You bet! Thank you for taking time to watch and comment. I surely appreciate it. Kate Alice definitely got more feed… They do a wonderful job for me. I am so proud of them. Take care my friend and do come again, please! God bless.
Yes, sir, Hickory is a very common tree here in Tennessee. Have you ever heard the term “Tennessee Hickory?“ However, there is not much market nowadays for Hickory lumber. Every now and then we will get a market for “Hickory handle.“ But most of the time it is just made into crossties. We have a ton of Hickory trees here and particularly on this job. But they are just not worth a whole lot nowadays. Take for example… If you go to Lowe’s, most of the axes and hammers there will have a plastic handle instead of wood. It has gotten hard to even get a good wood handled hammer anymore. You know what I mean? Although I agree with you, it does make very good handles. Anyway, thank you very much for being here as always. And taking time to watch and comment! I appreciate your dedication to my channel. Take care and do come again, please! God bless.
Zach, judging by that climate there and the tree rings that one needs for those prime grades, . . I'm just thinking. Cedar's are the only kinds of timbers that I've seen grow fairly well in moderate climates, decent soils and if pruned and managed in right way, might give one that prime lumber. It's not a native wood no doubt, I don't know what peoples' attitudes to evergreen types of trees are there either. I grew up with Dad always planting different species around, and that Cedar specimen he obtained years ago has superior type of wood in it, to anything I've ever seen. It may not be my own favorite type of tree either, I lean in preference towards timbers that I can utilize for my own selfish purposes. Mainly making door, window frames or something for rudimentary agricultural building repairs. I definitely like the oaks and I've seen them do well (when they become established they can really begin to take off in terms of growth rate). The Poplar and the 2,500 board feet I had laid out on my yard (really only a shelter belt plantation), has been my main focus. And I've personally ripped lumber out of half of that stock so far. What has interested me most, is out of that 2,500 board feet stock, there is quite an amount of variety in the lumber quality and characteristics. Even though I recall as a kid putting down all of the saplings from one supplier. A government sponsored tree growing program. And I've a definite sense that the best Poplar lumber came out of more marginal and wet peaty soils. The worst of the Poplar came from type of soil where Cedar or Oaks might thrive in (dryer soils on top of sandstones or shale rocks). It wasn't only height of growth of Poplar in more moist conditions, but trunk diameter was significantly larger (that wetter ground was also less exposed to weather, a bit of a low lying micro-climate situation). Hickory I'd imagine is like the Elm's we have here, and again the Elm seemed to favor dry soil, where it could get it. Again, trunk diameter and growth rate increased where it could find it's best micro climate too. The oddest, small things are difference between 'prime' and just okay with timber growing. That's my only 'odd' conclusion.
The motivation to myself to look at ways to obtain supplies of lumber, that I know I can work on with my basic carpentry skills and tools, is I like to have sufficient quantities of it staged in advance. The odd time I get to wanting to set up and do a concrete poured construction project of some kind. And apart from concrete itself just being one of those materials that is nasty and labour intensive to deal with, what can really hurt you cost wise on those (small even) concrete poured projects, is your formwork construction. To use the expression 'the big dog', the big dog in concrete is going to have all of the system made formwork systems, the mechanoo sets to use. It's possible to create some really fine projects using concrete, no doubt. But if there's one thing that can help the little guy with concrete, it's having lumber that can be treated as single-use almost, . . . and from that point it's mainly a carpentry skill and determination that is the constraint in what one can do. Whenever I have had a supply of real grade lumber available, the thought of using it for formwork has been too hard a pill to swallow. And the other thing about formwork timber, is I'm not too concerned about kiln drying. I can 'mix and match' species, grades of lumber. The knotty stuff can come in just as handy. And as long as one can stage enough of it, and organize one's pours well enough, one can reduce 'costs of such projects' a lot, and end up with some durable, useful end results. For all kinds of aspects of construction, manholes, to fenses, foundations, slabs, walls, doorways or even outdoor garden spaces and furniture. The big concrete contractors 'need' to re-use their formwork. But the little guy on the little concrete poured project, is never going to 'buy in' to a formwork system. And his or her needs in terms of design might be too particular, too 'once off'. Does any small scale contractor want to waste plywood on formwork now, if they can help it? I've heard horror stories on it, from the concrete guys. Almost to a point now, where I think some would go back to rough sawn lumber for concrete pours if they had a choice. It's not that much more awkward to use rough sawn lumber in a lot of cases. It's just that we had plywood for ever, and we programmed ourselves to do everything with it. I've definitely snapped out of that, especially when I discovered things like Poplar for it's light weight, where you didn't need huge strength, and you can strengthen it up with some oak or similar. If I have enough seasoned Poplar now I can use it instead of plywood, and just get by with fatter sized boards than half or three quarter inch ply.
One tool I had to become more familiar with though was the larger scaled hand planes (and as a consequence of that I learned 'how far' back into the antiquity that these different, task- specific hand plane tools go). Thousands of years of human civilization is my understanding that human beings have been planing timber by hand tools. And of course, then it sort of dawned on me. Those Roman engineers and builders had figured out concrete and how to work with it, in ways that modern engineers haven't understood just until lately. We lost a lot of that buuilding knowledge it seems post the Roman empire. All that we do have left now of that construction system of the Romans are some projects. But I do know they weren't dumb when it came to resource utilization. That last thing one wants for formwork timber is a timber that's hard to saw and work with. Which is why some builders literally use 'sytrofoam' as formwork for concrete. For engineering projects I'm pretty certain Romans did not transport heavy timber over hundreds of miles. And you wanted the material to be lightweight for workers to lift on the job. Then, when one is finished a timber like Poplar can be left out in the weather to disintegrate, and all you're left with is a small residual of hard concrete spatter that settles into the ground and disappears. No one nowadays is looking 'beyond' expensive plywoods for formwork systems, but maybe we ought to be. My hunch is that, Romans didn't have plywood either. Yet there construction is still around.
That is pretty interesting to hear! I’m always intrigued by how others do it in other countries. And what materials work best for sales situations. We have quite a bit of prime and prime plus grade timber here although near is a little more scarce. It has to be absolutely perfect with low mineral deposit and it also. So that makes a big deal as well. Anyway, thank you so much for taking time to share your experience with me and also taking time to watch and comment. I appreciate it! Take care and do come again, please! God bless.
Great info indeed. In my area, Central NC their is a fair amount of hardwood but there is a large amount of yellow pine which I'm sure does not fetch nearly as much money. Do have any amount of pine worth harvesting their in Eastern Tennessee and if so, will you harvest it if some becomes available? Do they even use pine for cross ties? Also, do you leave the limbs laying in place on the properties you cut? A special thank you to your little helper Sara Beth, she did a fine job with her camera work.
Thank you so much for the kind words and I do agree. Also that Sarabeth 💜 did a fine job helping me. I really appreciate her and she is a lot of fun to have with me. As far as Pine is concerned… We do not have a market here for it. And there is not a whole lot of pine around here. If we do cut any… We have to haul it down into Georgia in Alabama to sell it. Which is too far for what it pays. It does not pay as good as hardwood does. And no, pine will not make cross ties. They only want hardwood. I suppose it will last longer. As far as the tops are concerned, I leave them laying in place most of the time. However, I do get them out of the roads and keep the roads open for the land owners… I have found that you will cause less damage. If you would just leave the tops where they lay. Because if you try to clean them up where they machine most of the time you would do more damage to other young timber rather than just leaving them in place. Does that make sense? Thank you for the questions and I hope I have answered. Also, thank you for taking time to always watch and comment. I surely appreciate it. Take care of my friend and do come again, please. God bless.
Not knowing how to cut a tree up into logs can break a fellow, The last lot we cleared up here for a house had some really good timber on it that I let my helper cut up wrong by getting to busy and not watching, And pine no matter how good it is still ain't worth messing with up here
Yes, sir, I agree with you. And yes, you are right… A person can really mess up depending on how he cuts his timber into logs. Anyway, thank you so much for always being here and taking time to watch and comment. It is good to hear from you! Take care my friend and do come again please! God bless.
🤣🤣🤣 yes, lol. Thank you for being here and taking time to watch and comment. As always! I appreciate your dedication to my channel. Take care and do come again, please. God bless.
Sure, is many different grade levels when grading logs in America, in Australia we primarily have 3 grades. Compulsory logs are for structural timber, Optional logs are for Landscape and fencing and what you guys call Cross Ties but we call them here Railway sleepers and another grade for Specialty timber markets, which is for some Veneer and Bridge Girder markets. I am not sure where the Red Oak got it's name from over in your part of the world coz the wood color is actually cream not red?
Yes, there are several different categories of law and species. Then there is soft wood and hardwood. And a whole other level of categories such as Chipwood or as we call it, pulpwood. It is grown into wood chips and use paper products. Red Oak is actually really rich red color in the wood green when it is cut. After it sits out a little while it will turn that cream color on the end. But whenever you saw into the log, it will still be red… Anyway, thank you for taking time to watch and comment! I truly appreciate your dedication to my channel. Take care and do come again, please.
We want to know, how much the trees will be worth to the land owner. In otherwords, what would you pay me per tree, if they were just like that first white oak tree.
Well, for starters…… A person would have to scale that standing tree to know exactly how much board footage is in that tree. If I remember that, I believe that tree was 19 inches at breast high. And it would make five or six logs the first two or three logs would be prime and prime plus grade guessing. The last few logs would be cross tie material. With that being said…the butt cut would be about 169 bd-ft at $2.325 per foot ($393.92). Second and third cut would be 218 bd-ft at $2.175 per foot ($474.15). Then the last three would be tie logs at 204 bd-ft at $0.55 per foot ($112.20). So…total value of the tree would be about $980.27 or maybe a little less. If the butt cuts veneered, it would be a good bit more. But like I said in the video, it’s hard to get veneer. The buyers are pretty hard on the veneer grade stuff. Anyway, so the tree would be worth $980.27 roughly total. The land owner would keep $392.11 and I would get $588.16. Be nice to have several of those types of trees. They’re rare tho..anyway, hope this answers your question. Thanks for asking! And thanks for taking time to watch and comment. Take care and do come again, please
@zachodommulelogging just curious, here in SC, almost no independent loggers, basically company buys the timber, and pays logging crew to haul it. The buyers are always taking advantage of people. Plus they only want large tracts. They would try to convince land owners that tree was worth less than $100.00 you would be excited to cut on my place, my biggest white oak, you wouldn't be able to move the but cut, way over 3 feet in diameter. Several over 2.5 feet. Have several beech which are rare in this area. Also sweet gum, tupelo, and red maple.
I'm a horse logger here in Canada. Price totally depends on local mills. When I cruise a bush I'm looking at all the topics presented here, species, heights, diameters, defects, terrain, plus what is the market like at the time. On small jobs I measure the dbh and estimate the height of each tree and I have a chart that estimates the board feet in that tree, on big jobs I count and measure representative samples then multiply accordingly. I work out a price per board foot for the whole job, based on all the above, and make an offer. They either accept it or reject it. Trees don't come with SKU numbers or price stickers in the wild... at least not around here.
@@Thoreau-e4lsome companies do well buying timber on the stump. And some don’t. It just depends on the area and the markets as to what timber is worth. Here where I am, hardwood does pretty well. Down further south in Georgia and Alabama, it’s basically pulp wood country. And pulpwood doesn’t pay worth a crap. It’s not even worth my time really. I don’t buy timber on the stump, because there are way to many variables. And if you did buy it on the stump, you’d have to be mighty conservative to cover your hind end! There’s too many things you can’t see such as hollow trees. Doing it on percentage, the more money I make, the more money the landowner makes. So it’s a win win!! He gets 40% of every single load that comes off the place. No matter what the grade or species. Anyway, thanks again for watching.
![[LIVE] : ONE ลุมพินี 89 | คู่เอก "ยอดไอคิว vs คิริลล์"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z3vYkHJ_5Ig/mqdefault.jpg)
Grateful for your knowledge sharing and Sarabeth for the media support and patience while helping her Dad to bring such good information to us all 🙏🏻 blessings 💐🧁☕️ a small aside have watched the day off shorts several times, my goodness they make my heart happy and to hear you both giggle and laugh at the mules antics is a true blessing, thank you and may those you all care for be blessed also 🙏🏻👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you so much! It truly means a whole lot to me. I will tell Sarabeth 💜 for you also. I really appreciate the kind encouraging words. Thank you so much for being here and taking time to watch and comment. I appreciate your dedication to my channel. Take care and do come again, please! God bless.
Dear Zach Happy Thanksgiving to you and Sarabeth, thank you for letting me see how beautiful everything is there, God bless you all there and your animals too
Take care my friend
Hello Steve! Thank you, my friend. I sure appreciate it and you are most welcome. I’m glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for taking time to watch and comment. Take care and do come again, please! God bless.
Another very interesting video. Thank you!
Thank you, sir! I’m glad you enjoyed it. And thank you for taking time to watch and comment. I surely appreciate it! Take care and do come again, please. God bless.
The truth means everything. Great explanation. Very interesting on how it works. Sarabeth did a fine job! God bless.
Thank you ma’am for the kind words! And yes ma’am, I think Sarabeth 💜 did a fine job as well. I’m so proud of her! Thank you again for the kind words! And thank you for taking time to watch and comment. I appreciate your dedication to my channel. Take care and do come again, please! God bless.
Your camera gal did an outstanding job!! Great you 2 got to spend quality time in the woods. God bless.
Yes, sir Mr. Dale! She did a wonderful job huh? Thank you so much for the kind words my friend and we had a great time together. Thank you for taking time to always watch and comment on my videos. I appreciate your dedication to my channel. Take care my friend and do come again, please
Zach enjoyed the the content today, hopefully this wood market will make a turn in 2025. Railroads inventory on crossties is still high but a lot of winter would help tremendously up north and south regions.
Yes sir I agree with you! And thank you very kindly… Also, thank you for taking time to watch and comment. I surely appreciate it! Take care and do come again, please. God bless.
Love your videos we built a logging cart after yours in the videos we really are starting to get used to it and like it a lot we are also going to have a mini horse progress day here at the farm in May
That is very cool! And I’m glad the login cart plans worked out for you. It is a good set of plans… Thank you so much for being here and also taking time to watch and comment. I truly appreciate it! Take care and do come again, please. God bless
You are giving a good education here, Zach. I had some of this in high school ag class, but not in this depth and detail. I keep sharing your videos into home school groups. Following you is a decent business and forestry class.
Thank you, Man! That truly means a lot to me. And I’m glad you enjoy the videos and see some use of them. That makes it work doing. Thank you for being here and also taking time to watch and comment. Take care and do come again, please! God bless
Zach...I trust you and your family had a wonderful Thanksgiving....Blessings.
Yes, sir, we had a great Thanksgiving! How about you? Thank you for taking time to watch and comment on my video as always. I appreciate your dedication to my channel. Take care and do come again, please. God bless.
Your videos are a treasure. Grew up in East Tennessee and love that area. Thank you!
That is very cool! I’m glad you enjoyed the videos. Thank you so much for being here; and take time to watch and comment. I appreciate that! Take care my friend and do come again, please! God bless.
Hello Zach
Interesting information
I always enjoy
I hope you had a good thanksgiving
God bless
Thank you, my friend! I’m glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for taking time to watch and comment. Yes, we had a great Thanksgiving. Thank you for asking! I appreciate it. Take care and do come again, please! God bless.
Thanks lots of good info. Love you a lot Zach And Sara Beth
Thank you, sir! I’m glad you enjoyed the video and thank you very much for taking time to watch and comment. We love you all too. Take care my friend and do come again, please. God bless.
Nice to see Sarabeth! I was a meat cutter for 49 years, there's grades of meat, prime, choice, select, and noroll! I understand the grading of logs, worked at it for a few years!
Hey Mr Grady! It’s good to hear from you buddy. I hope you all are doing well and had a good Thanksgiving. Yessir, same concept on the different cuts. Thanks for being here my friend and taking time to watch and comment. Take care and do come again, please
Thank you for this information Zach.
You are very welcome. I am glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for taking time to watch and comment: take care and do come again, please
This is very interesting how you can choose the tree and know what grade it is before you cut it. Thank you for sharing.
Yes ma’am for sure. One needs to know what to take and what to leave to let grow some more. Thanks for being here and taking time to watch and comment. I appreciate it. Take care and do come again, please
Zach thank you for your video be safe be careful God bless your friend Billy
Hello Billy! Thank you buddy. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. And I hope you had a happy Thanksgiving?! Thank you for taking time to always watch and comment on my video brother. I appreciate you! Take care and do come again, please. God bless
Always enjoy learning how the logging business work. God bless
Thank you, sir! And it is good to hear from you. I hope you are well! I’m glad you enjoyed the video. That makes it work doing. Thank you for being here taking time to watch and come. Take care my friend come again, please. God bless.
Thanks for explaining the pricing on your logs!
And Kate and Alice get 25% more oats for working hard that day 😁
You bet! Thank you for taking time to watch and comment. I surely appreciate it. Kate Alice definitely got more feed… They do a wonderful job for me. I am so proud of them. Take care my friend and do come again, please! God bless.
The pricing and grade sheet is quite interesting. Is Hickory not available in your area? It's so valuable for so many tools and horse-related items.
Yes, sir, Hickory is a very common tree here in Tennessee. Have you ever heard the term “Tennessee Hickory?“ However, there is not much market nowadays for Hickory lumber. Every now and then we will get a market for “Hickory handle.“ But most of the time it is just made into crossties. We have a ton of Hickory trees here and particularly on this job. But they are just not worth a whole lot nowadays. Take for example… If you go to Lowe’s, most of the axes and hammers there will have a plastic handle instead of wood. It has gotten hard to even get a good wood handled hammer anymore. You know what I mean? Although I agree with you, it does make very good handles. Anyway, thank you very much for being here as always. And taking time to watch and comment! I appreciate your dedication to my channel. Take care and do come again, please! God bless.
great job sara beth
Thank you sir, I will tell her!
Zach, judging by that climate there and the tree rings that one needs for those prime grades, . . I'm just thinking. Cedar's are the only kinds of timbers that I've seen grow fairly well in moderate climates, decent soils and if pruned and managed in right way, might give one that prime lumber. It's not a native wood no doubt, I don't know what peoples' attitudes to evergreen types of trees are there either. I grew up with Dad always planting different species around, and that Cedar specimen he obtained years ago has superior type of wood in it, to anything I've ever seen. It may not be my own favorite type of tree either, I lean in preference towards timbers that I can utilize for my own selfish purposes. Mainly making door, window frames or something for rudimentary agricultural building repairs. I definitely like the oaks and I've seen them do well (when they become established they can really begin to take off in terms of growth rate). The Poplar and the 2,500 board feet I had laid out on my yard (really only a shelter belt plantation), has been my main focus. And I've personally ripped lumber out of half of that stock so far. What has interested me most, is out of that 2,500 board feet stock, there is quite an amount of variety in the lumber quality and characteristics. Even though I recall as a kid putting down all of the saplings from one supplier. A government sponsored tree growing program. And I've a definite sense that the best Poplar lumber came out of more marginal and wet peaty soils. The worst of the Poplar came from type of soil where Cedar or Oaks might thrive in (dryer soils on top of sandstones or shale rocks). It wasn't only height of growth of Poplar in more moist conditions, but trunk diameter was significantly larger (that wetter ground was also less exposed to weather, a bit of a low lying micro-climate situation). Hickory I'd imagine is like the Elm's we have here, and again the Elm seemed to favor dry soil, where it could get it. Again, trunk diameter and growth rate increased where it could find it's best micro climate too. The oddest, small things are difference between 'prime' and just okay with timber growing. That's my only 'odd' conclusion.
The motivation to myself to look at ways to obtain supplies of lumber, that I know I can work on with my basic carpentry skills and tools, is I like to have sufficient quantities of it staged in advance. The odd time I get to wanting to set up and do a concrete poured construction project of some kind. And apart from concrete itself just being one of those materials that is nasty and labour intensive to deal with, what can really hurt you cost wise on those (small even) concrete poured projects, is your formwork construction. To use the expression 'the big dog', the big dog in concrete is going to have all of the system made formwork systems, the mechanoo sets to use. It's possible to create some really fine projects using concrete, no doubt. But if there's one thing that can help the little guy with concrete, it's having lumber that can be treated as single-use almost, . . . and from that point it's mainly a carpentry skill and determination that is the constraint in what one can do. Whenever I have had a supply of real grade lumber available, the thought of using it for formwork has been too hard a pill to swallow. And the other thing about formwork timber, is I'm not too concerned about kiln drying. I can 'mix and match' species, grades of lumber. The knotty stuff can come in just as handy. And as long as one can stage enough of it, and organize one's pours well enough, one can reduce 'costs of such projects' a lot, and end up with some durable, useful end results. For all kinds of aspects of construction, manholes, to fenses, foundations, slabs, walls, doorways or even outdoor garden spaces and furniture. The big concrete contractors 'need' to re-use their formwork. But the little guy on the little concrete poured project, is never going to 'buy in' to a formwork system. And his or her needs in terms of design might be too particular, too 'once off'. Does any small scale contractor want to waste plywood on formwork now, if they can help it? I've heard horror stories on it, from the concrete guys. Almost to a point now, where I think some would go back to rough sawn lumber for concrete pours if they had a choice. It's not that much more awkward to use rough sawn lumber in a lot of cases. It's just that we had plywood for ever, and we programmed ourselves to do everything with it. I've definitely snapped out of that, especially when I discovered things like Poplar for it's light weight, where you didn't need huge strength, and you can strengthen it up with some oak or similar. If I have enough seasoned Poplar now I can use it instead of plywood, and just get by with fatter sized boards than half or three quarter inch ply.
One tool I had to become more familiar with though was the larger scaled hand planes (and as a consequence of that I learned 'how far' back into the antiquity that these different, task- specific hand plane tools go). Thousands of years of human civilization is my understanding that human beings have been planing timber by hand tools. And of course, then it sort of dawned on me. Those Roman engineers and builders had figured out concrete and how to work with it, in ways that modern engineers haven't understood just until lately. We lost a lot of that buuilding knowledge it seems post the Roman empire. All that we do have left now of that construction system of the Romans are some projects. But I do know they weren't dumb when it came to resource utilization. That last thing one wants for formwork timber is a timber that's hard to saw and work with. Which is why some builders literally use 'sytrofoam' as formwork for concrete. For engineering projects I'm pretty certain Romans did not transport heavy timber over hundreds of miles. And you wanted the material to be lightweight for workers to lift on the job. Then, when one is finished a timber like Poplar can be left out in the weather to disintegrate, and all you're left with is a small residual of hard concrete spatter that settles into the ground and disappears. No one nowadays is looking 'beyond' expensive plywoods for formwork systems, but maybe we ought to be. My hunch is that, Romans didn't have plywood either. Yet there construction is still around.
That is pretty interesting to hear! I’m always intrigued by how others do it in other countries. And what materials work best for sales situations. We have quite a bit of prime and prime plus grade timber here although near is a little more scarce. It has to be absolutely perfect with low mineral deposit and it also. So that makes a big deal as well. Anyway, thank you so much for taking time to share your experience with me and also taking time to watch and comment. I appreciate it! Take care and do come again, please! God bless.
Great info indeed. In my area, Central NC their is a fair amount of hardwood but there is a large amount of yellow pine which I'm sure does not fetch nearly as much money. Do have any amount of pine worth harvesting their in Eastern Tennessee and if so, will you harvest it if some becomes available? Do they even use pine for cross ties? Also, do you leave the limbs laying in place on the properties you cut? A special thank you to your little helper Sara Beth, she did a fine job with her camera work.
Thank you so much for the kind words and I do agree. Also that Sarabeth 💜 did a fine job helping me. I really appreciate her and she is a lot of fun to have with me. As far as Pine is concerned… We do not have a market here for it. And there is not a whole lot of pine around here. If we do cut any… We have to haul it down into Georgia in Alabama to sell it. Which is too far for what it pays. It does not pay as good as hardwood does. And no, pine will not make cross ties. They only want hardwood. I suppose it will last longer. As far as the tops are concerned, I leave them laying in place most of the time. However, I do get them out of the roads and keep the roads open for the land owners… I have found that you will cause less damage. If you would just leave the tops where they lay. Because if you try to clean them up where they machine most of the time you would do more damage to other young timber rather than just leaving them in place. Does that make sense? Thank you for the questions and I hope I have answered. Also, thank you for taking time to always watch and comment. I surely appreciate it. Take care of my friend and do come again, please. God bless.
@@zachodommuleloggingZach, thanks so much for taking your time to answer my questions. I really do appreciate it.
@@bain5872you’re most welcome
great video always wondered how theyfigured out the logs
Thank you sir! Glad you enjoyed it. Thx for taking time to watch and comment. Thx for the kind words also. Take care and do come again..God bless!
Not knowing how to cut a tree up into logs can break a fellow, The last lot we cleared up here for a house had some really good timber on it that I let my helper cut up wrong by getting to busy and not watching,
And pine no matter how good it is still ain't worth messing with up here
Yes, sir, I agree with you. And yes, you are right… A person can really mess up depending on how he cuts his timber into logs. Anyway, thank you so much for always being here and taking time to watch and comment. It is good to hear from you! Take care my friend and do come again please! God bless.
back in school again ha ha ha.
🤣🤣🤣 yes, lol. Thank you for being here and taking time to watch and comment. As always! I appreciate your dedication to my channel. Take care and do come again, please. God bless.
Sure, is many different grade levels when grading logs in America, in Australia we primarily have 3 grades. Compulsory logs are for structural timber, Optional logs are for Landscape and fencing and what you guys call Cross Ties but we call them here Railway sleepers and another grade for Specialty timber markets, which is for some Veneer and Bridge Girder markets. I am not sure where the Red Oak got it's name from over in your part of the world coz the wood color is actually cream not red?
Yes, there are several different categories of law and species. Then there is soft wood and hardwood. And a whole other level of categories such as Chipwood or as we call it, pulpwood. It is grown into wood chips and use paper products. Red Oak is actually really rich red color in the wood green when it is cut. After it sits out a little while it will turn that cream color on the end. But whenever you saw into the log, it will still be red… Anyway, thank you for taking time to watch and comment! I truly appreciate your dedication to my channel. Take care and do come again, please.
We want to know, how much the trees will be worth to the land owner. In otherwords, what would you pay me per tree, if they were just like that first white oak tree.
Well, for starters…… A person would have to scale that standing tree to know exactly how much board footage is in that tree. If I remember that, I believe that tree was 19 inches at breast high. And it would make five or six logs the first two or three logs would be prime and prime plus grade guessing. The last few logs would be cross tie material. With that being said…the butt cut would be about 169 bd-ft at $2.325 per foot ($393.92). Second and third cut would be 218 bd-ft at $2.175 per foot ($474.15). Then the last three would be tie logs at 204 bd-ft at $0.55 per foot ($112.20). So…total value of the tree would be about $980.27 or maybe a little less. If the butt cuts veneered, it would be a good bit more. But like I said in the video, it’s hard to get veneer. The buyers are pretty hard on the veneer grade stuff. Anyway, so the tree would be worth $980.27 roughly total. The land owner would keep $392.11 and I would get $588.16. Be nice to have several of those types of trees. They’re rare tho..anyway, hope this answers your question. Thanks for asking! And thanks for taking time to watch and comment. Take care and do come again, please
@zachodommulelogging just curious, here in SC, almost no independent loggers, basically company buys the timber, and pays logging crew to haul it. The buyers are always taking advantage of people. Plus they only want large tracts. They would try to convince land owners that tree was worth less than $100.00 you would be excited to cut on my place, my biggest white oak, you wouldn't be able to move the but cut, way over 3 feet in diameter. Several over 2.5 feet. Have several beech which are rare in this area. Also sweet gum, tupelo, and red maple.
I'm a horse logger here in Canada. Price totally depends on local mills. When I cruise a bush I'm looking at all the topics presented here, species, heights, diameters, defects, terrain, plus what is the market like at the time. On small jobs I measure the dbh and estimate the height of each tree and I have a chart that estimates the board feet in that tree, on big jobs I count and measure representative samples then multiply accordingly. I work out a price per board foot for the whole job, based on all the above, and make an offer. They either accept it or reject it. Trees don't come with SKU numbers or price stickers in the wild... at least not around here.
@@Thoreau-e4lsome companies do well buying timber on the stump. And some don’t. It just depends on the area and the markets as to what timber is worth. Here where I am, hardwood does pretty well. Down further south in Georgia and Alabama, it’s basically pulp wood country. And pulpwood doesn’t pay worth a crap. It’s not even worth my time really. I don’t buy timber on the stump, because there are way to many variables. And if you did buy it on the stump, you’d have to be mighty conservative to cover your hind end! There’s too many things you can’t see such as hollow trees. Doing it on percentage, the more money I make, the more money the landowner makes. So it’s a win win!! He gets 40% of every single load that comes off the place. No matter what the grade or species. Anyway, thanks again for watching.
@@gentlegiants1974I agree 😊