This scene is such a vivid portrait of absolute power. Heydrich makes it starkly clear that he *will* get what he wants from Stuckart or Stukart will die- horribly- and simply be replaced with someone who will deliver. Stukart's life is utterly meaningless outside of his usefulness to The Third Reich. Kneel or be crushed and forgotten...
Surely Heydrich understood the value of proper administrative practices. Even though the Final Solution was an ugly business, the logistics of it ran fairly smooth. The issue was, as this film portrays the difference in opinion on what to do with the people. Kill them outright. Or put them to work. As head of an organization such as the SD, having competent people occupy executive positions was surely instrumental to the functioning of the apparatus.
“Ok, I would like you to work Saturday mornings. You and I can do so much together, and I won’t be distracted by administrative difficulties. I would hate it for the bullies in HR to take too much of an interest in you”
I love the fact that this is the one moment where Heydrich lets his mask drop and directly threatens someone. It really hammers home that underneath his pleasant facade, Heydrich is a cold-blooded sociopath.
"asses will sting, there will be no shortage of meat hooks, putting black marks against those who are uncooperative, you have a choice to make" Ha! What a polite way to threaten someone.
This scene really depicts as to how ruthless and hell bent heydrich really was and how he really lived up the name of " the man of iron heart ". He prettty much said refusal to cooperate will be met with execution. Also love the small scene with Tom Hiddleston.
The scene is nonsense; it is inserted purely for drama. Heydrich would not have so blatantly threatened anybody with death at the meeting; nor would there have been fundamental opposition. The documented disagreements between Stuckart and Heydrich solely concerned the "half-Jews". Even in Stuckart's own testimony after the war, when he tried to paint himself favorably to Allied judges, he never claimed to have offered any resistance to the killing of the Jews in general; nor to have suggested sterilization as an alternative. Again, this only concerned the relatively small group of German "half-Jews". Heydrich's reference to "meathooks" is ahistorical. This painful and humiliating method of execution was first used almost a year later to execute members of the "Red Orchestra"; there is no record of it being used any earlier for the execution of "traitors".
@@Koshiro2k3 First, there were quite a number of half, and quarter Jews in Germany and Austria. Read Riggs book, "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers". Second meat hooks have been used by every despot through time immemorial. I think you are being too literal in your historical interpretation. He could very well have been using the meathooks reference as a metaphor. Third, There were members of the nazi apparatus who for many different reasons wanted to simply sterilize or deport the Jews.The Madagascar Plan was an early attempt.
Kenneth Branagh amazing actor. He's even a bigger director, some people don't know that he directed the first Marvel Thor movie! His voice and presence in any character he plays is remarkable.
Branagh was spot on playing heirdrich, I can let him off for being about a foot to short . It was a fantastic bit of film and I especially liked the end story about the man and the death of his father, pretty much sumbed it up to me
Kenneth should have played the lead in 'Michael Collins'. Branagh is almost exactly the same height as Collins, having almost identical features. ....coming from an Ulster Unionist background would have been a sticking point though!
I don't think he looks all that much like him, but he embodies how people say Heydrich actually was so well that I completely buy him as the man. Even with a British accent.
So well scripted, directed, and acted. But a bit of history adds to its snap. Heydrich was known to all those men as the mastermind behind the Night of the Long Knives in 1934 when Nazis killed Nazis to consolidate power. Branagh's "meat hooks" line would have been terrifying and Firth reacts with barely swallowed fear. Then wearily charming, Branagh offers to save Stuckart from that fate if only Stuckart, an evil man in his own right, will let him. It's hard to watch without feeling the cold of the winter that surrounds the two men.
No one can actually describe these conversations accurately and for the most part it is fictionalized for the purposes of the movie. However, I believe this part of the dialogue is historically inaccurate. Dr. Stuckart himself also held rank in the SS, at the time he was actually a Brigadeführer (Brigadier General) in the SS organization. So for Heydrich to have a conversation with Stukart that appears that it was an Interior Ministry turf war versus the SS was mostly likely not true. They certainly may have had a difference in opinion in the way the orders were to be implemented and what legal issues were involved, but there definitely should not have been any political tensions from an SS point of view, because both of them were high ranking SS officers in their own right. In fact, both Klopfer and Neumann both were both high ranking SS officers as well even if they did not wear SS uniforms or represented the SS for that infamous meeting.
This movie is a series of lessons in politics. How wolves operate and dominate and how the "less than cooperative" among the pack concede under their own cowardice; or idealists who later find themselves at the caprices of those they empowered through their designs. It's not just a reflection and remembrance of Nazi war crimes, but warnings to those with political aspirations. The higher you go, the more unpleasant knowledge is revealed, and the more choices you're faced with compromising your obligation to lawfulness and justice. Warnings to us all. Of course, Stuckart was committed to oppression from the beginning. Whether his portrayal is accurate or poeticized, he shows where his designs landed him - at the caprices of the police state he helped to engineer. So much at their mercy, Stuckart like Kritzinger comes off as a tribune of human rights compared to his deep state opponents, vehemently protesting against their proposal of hard genocide in favor of what - sterilization, i.e. soft genocide.
@@Nethanel773 And as importantly the film is showing us how legal structures are bent and eventually broken so that they enable the mass exterminations that took place in Nazi Germany. We didn't need to see another SS officer, but showing us a legal scholar and his participation in what happens is how this movie shows us how German political and legal structures were complicit.
I visited this house on a cold November day i was pretty much on my own there,its a beautiful setting on the banks of the wanssee lake nothing at all to indicate the horrors that were decided and finalised there
Branagh brings home the intimidation /power factor that Heydrich had ...however by all accounts the real Heydrich had no charm ..and really had no need for it .by this time ..he was on fast track to even ' bigger" things career wise .possibly to become Reich Protector in France ...still this a good performance
For heydrich men such as: Hoffman Langa Schorngarth Muller Eichmann Klopfer Luther Freisler Leibrandt Meyer Buller These men would follow orders without issue Stukarrt Kritzinger Neumann We're a worry so they needed to be threatened to fall in line
Hollywood artistic licence, Stugart was a brigadarfuher(general)in the SS at the time of this meeting. Only the writers/director/producers will understand why they portrayed him as a civilian in this movie. Good scene regardless!
They wanted to draw a distinction between the desk job types who hadn't picked up a rifle outside of training and the ones who actually could be expected to be in combat. They do state that he was in the interior ministry which anyone knows that at the time was militarised. But again they wanted to distinguish between the SS men with actual power like Muller or Heydrich obviously and the men who held rank but were mostly desk job types. Its not uncommon for someone to hold rank in a military but their actual expertise in military matters to be limited but they're commissioned in certain specific fields. That's why not everyone is in uniform. They wanted to differentiate between the ones who genuinely held power in the SS and the ones who were expendable. Say what you will about Heydrich he still died in combat. The moment they tried to kill him he didn't do the automatic take cover but tried to engage his assailants. Arrogance or bravery it makes no difference. Someone like Stuckart would probably have ducked(and survived). This is the reason to make it easier to see who is what in practice not in theory. This is a highly militarised era and it can be confusing for modern audiences as to who was a professional long service military type and the militarised civilian types who today would not hold any rank in an equivalent institution.
Don´t worry, I know is was a kind of hard to see Ken. Actually the last time many people saw him was as Lockhart in Harry Potter, that´s a fact even for me (In movies I mean) And not all of them know him as something else but Lockhart and thats too much to say.
To have everyone on board. Didn't wanna have a difference of opinion among the bureaucrats/administrative officials and the SS which would only delay their work.
If you were loyal and did what he asked, you were treated well and rewarded with a lot of money and other treats. If you disobeyed him or did not carry out his orders the way he wanted them, you were crushed and killed.
Ohh, LOL, I do love both books, Harry Potter´s and Tolkien´s. Great books, especially Tolkien´s, a great piece of work ;) I love all those fantasy stuff. I must say: books are looong way better than movies, Tolkien´s ones are. Sometimes movies can give a wrong feeling. I think Brian Blessed is alive!! And he´s the favorite actor to be Thorin in "The Hobbit", hopefully, but maybe Ken will cast him as Odin or something in "Thor".
@Gaaramaru I fully agree with you, the german one is way better. IMO, movies about the germans should be made with german actors who are speaking german. For example, i think the movie "Stauffenberg" is way better than "Valkyrie".
Well I don't speak German, and while your reading the sub-titles you miss the facial expression or the movements, so you miss a lot, therefore, English is just fine.
@Gaaramaru No he don't, Heydrich's uniform is correct. This is the first pattern SS Obergruppenführer collar tabs. They look like Gruppenführer since there's only one rank button, but the rank of these collar tabs are Obergruppenführer. You will notice them on many photographs of Heydrich from this period. Heydrich died a few months later so he only wore the second pattern for a short time.
This scene is 100% fictional (it should be noted). As is almost all of the dialog in the film. The Wanssee minutes from the meeting were altered (by Heydrich) and only general in nature. Plus, they covered none of the discussions that might have taken place once the minutes were not being kept. Heydrich was clearly a disgusting monster. And this is a great scene from a powerful and haunting film. But there is no way to know if this scene represents his personality in any way. ☮
This is a piece of television drama, not an historical record. This version has taken a lot of dramatic license to convey certain points. For example in reality Gerhard Klopfer of the Party Chancellery was not obese. He was a very thin man, and a man who would have never worn that uniform we see him wearing here. He would have worn an SS uniform, which if you look at photos of him, you will see him wear. These changes were done for dramatic effect.
He was worse. When he arrived in Prague on his first day as deputy Reich protector of Bohemia and Moravia he was quoted as saying "there is a lot of good to be done here" and ordered 400 citizens to be rounded up and executed on his first day there. Does that tell you what kind of man he was?
Let's put it this way...... Hitler viewed him as cold blooded. If Hitler thinks you're extra, you're probably an unimaginable monster. It's a beautiful thing it took him a week to die from sepsis.
My gosh, what a coincidence indeed, Valkyrie and Thor! LOL But Valkyrie, Op Valkyrie, is not exactly about the Celtic goddess, but anyway what a coincidences. I love coincidences LOL
Generally Americans don't like to be seen as the bad guys, they prefer to be the cavalry. So the brits are the baddies. The Chinese now have Americans doing terrible things with the heroic Chinese coming in and sorting them out.
@@freebornjohn2687 lol I've noticed that too. Watching a Chinese film and a white guy shows up my first thought is "he'll be a bad guy or at least working for the bad guys"
The scene is nonsense; it is inserted purely for drama. Heydrich would not have so blatantly threatened anybody with death at the meeting; nor would there have been fundamental opposition. The documented disagreements between Stuckart and Heydrich solely concerned the "half-Jews". Even in Stuckart's own testimony after the war, when he tried to paint himself favorably to Allied judges, he never claimed to have offered any resistance to the killing of the Jews in general; nor to have suggested sterilization as an alternative. Again, this only concerned the relatively small group of German "half-Jews". Heydrich's reference to "meathooks" is ahistorical. This painful and humiliating method of execution was first used almost a year later to execute members of the "Red Orchestra"; there is no record of it being used any earlier for the execution of "traitors".
You want a HBO/BBC film which is to be viewed by an English speaking audience, to have German actors come in, who no one knows, and do this drama, instead of some of the best British, Irish and American actors we have do it?
@TheReichskommissar Yes, you are right: thanks for correction^^ I looked on an older (wrong) scheme of Uniforms and rank signs. But I don't like this film, it's to commercial. the german film from 1984 is much better and closer to the protokoll from Luther.
Exactly, now look up the definition of a psychopath. What defines them is their ability to appear charming and normal, despite being a raging lunatic on the inside.
Found him good. Compared with the rumors about Heidrich, that he wants to play in a concert in Prague the violin. And he arrested or killed. Not quite sure. The violinist from the concert to obtain his place. So he seems nice but is a monster.
Rainier7777 debateable. He had an ideological cause; psychopaths are generally concerned with personal gain at any costs and would not care about their 'own' people. Of course, he harboured some psychopathic traits. I'd describe Hitler as a neurotic megalomaniac.
Heydrich may have been an evil man but outwardly he was charming, sociable, and very family oriented. When one studies his upbringing, his education, and his family life, it's difficult to imagine that beneath of all that he was a vicious killer bent on the annihilation of an entire race of people.
Imagine suddenly finding yourself trapped by the gears of the machine you helped build.
Well said.
☮
This scene is such a vivid portrait of absolute power. Heydrich makes it starkly clear that he *will* get what he wants from Stuckart or Stukart will die- horribly- and simply be replaced with someone who will deliver. Stukart's life is utterly meaningless outside of his usefulness to The Third Reich. Kneel or be crushed and forgotten...
It really is a powerful scene.
Surely Heydrich understood the value of proper administrative practices. Even though the Final Solution was an ugly business, the logistics of it ran fairly smooth. The issue was, as this film portrays the difference in opinion on what to do with the people. Kill them outright. Or put them to work. As head of an organization such as the SD, having competent people occupy executive positions was surely instrumental to the functioning of the apparatus.
@@IudiciumInfernalumThose exemptions for part Jews were indeed given for awhile.
the nature of fascism. They also murdered their own soldiers who became disabled from fighting
“Ok, I would like you to work Saturday mornings. You and I can do so much together, and I won’t be distracted by administrative difficulties. I would hate it for the bullies in HR to take too much of an interest in you”
"Yeahhhh....I'm gonna have to ask you to go ahead and support my plans for genocide..."
@@Holdit66 "...that'd be great"
“All I want in this meeting is unanimity.” What a humble request
Unanimity- euphorisim for accomplices.
Unanimity as long as it's everyone agreeing with him.
Lot of that going around.
@@samhall3821 No kidding
That's only half the sentence. The rest is, "otherwise I will shoot you and have your family sent to Auschwitz...Herr Doktor".
Kenneth Branagh did a damn good job.
It's hard for me to think of a role he played badly.
Bismarck Titanic he sure did
"I admit, we have more than our share of them..." The power of understatement.
I love the fact that this is the one moment where Heydrich lets his mask drop and directly threatens someone. It really hammers home that underneath his pleasant facade, Heydrich is a cold-blooded sociopath.
And a real bastard who, if there is a hell, is most likely burning in the hottest part of it with a pitchfork up his keester!
Branaugh was ice cold in this movie, Emmy deserved
Ydn Nahmir I agree. He was fantastic.
@@5inthehole he done his duty for his people and fatherland, he will be on a throne next to God
Liam Pinkham Ya
"asses will sting, there will be no shortage of meat hooks, putting black marks against those who are uncooperative, you have a choice to make" Ha! What a polite way to threaten someone.
It's not "black marks". He says they will put "Marx" into the names of those who are uncooperative.
No, he says marks.
Nevertheless, ABSOLUTE POWER
This scene really depicts as to how ruthless and hell bent heydrich really was and how he really lived up the name of " the man of iron heart ". He prettty much said refusal to cooperate will be met with execution. Also love the small scene with Tom Hiddleston.
The scene is nonsense; it is inserted purely for drama. Heydrich would not have so blatantly threatened anybody with death at the meeting; nor would there have been fundamental opposition. The documented disagreements between Stuckart and Heydrich solely concerned the "half-Jews".
Even in Stuckart's own testimony after the war, when he tried to paint himself favorably to Allied judges, he never claimed to have offered any resistance to the killing of the Jews in general; nor to have suggested sterilization as an alternative. Again, this only concerned the relatively small group of German "half-Jews".
Heydrich's reference to "meathooks" is ahistorical. This painful and humiliating method of execution was first used almost a year later to execute members of the "Red Orchestra"; there is no record of it being used any earlier for the execution of "traitors".
It's a good example of what is sometimes called middle-class thuggery.
@@Koshiro2k3 First, there were quite a number of half, and quarter Jews in Germany and Austria. Read Riggs book, "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers". Second meat hooks have been used by every despot through time immemorial. I think you are being too literal in your historical interpretation. He could very well have been using the meathooks reference as a metaphor. Third, There were members of the nazi apparatus who for many different reasons wanted to simply sterilize or deport the Jews.The Madagascar Plan was an early attempt.
Kenneth Branagh always delivers.
Help me or else ...and did I forget to mention meat hooks?
Kenneth Branagh amazing actor. He's even a bigger director, some people don't know that he directed the first Marvel Thor movie! His voice and presence in any character he plays is remarkable.
Branagh was spot on playing heirdrich, I can let him off for being about a foot to short . It was a fantastic bit of film and I especially liked the end story about the man and the death of his father, pretty much sumbed it up to me
Kenneth should have played the lead in 'Michael Collins'. Branagh is almost exactly the same height as Collins, having almost identical features.
....coming from an Ulster Unionist background would have been a sticking point though!
I don't think he looks all that much like him, but he embodies how people say Heydrich actually was so well that I completely buy him as the man. Even with a British accent.
Acting masterclass from Branagh!
So well scripted, directed, and acted. But a bit of history adds to its snap. Heydrich was known to all those men as the mastermind behind the Night of the Long Knives in 1934 when Nazis killed Nazis to consolidate power. Branagh's "meat hooks" line would have been terrifying and Firth reacts with barely swallowed fear. Then wearily charming, Branagh offers to save Stuckart from that fate if only Stuckart, an evil man in his own right, will let him. It's hard to watch without feeling the cold of the winter that surrounds the two men.
thanks for the extra context, well said. the actors were given so much opportunity to flex in this movie
Great movie, great cast...
The most sterling cast of /and performers that might ever assemble, IMO.
No one can actually describe these conversations accurately and for the most part it is fictionalized for the purposes of the movie. However, I believe this part of the dialogue is historically inaccurate. Dr. Stuckart himself also held rank in the SS, at the time he was actually a Brigadeführer (Brigadier General) in the SS organization. So for Heydrich to have a conversation with Stukart that appears that it was an Interior Ministry turf war versus the SS was mostly likely not true. They certainly may have had a difference in opinion in the way the orders were to be implemented and what legal issues were involved, but there definitely should not have been any political tensions from an SS point of view, because both of them were high ranking SS officers in their own right. In fact, both Klopfer and Neumann both were both high ranking SS officers as well even if they did not wear SS uniforms or represented the SS for that infamous meeting.
@KVDC2008
Was Dr. Stuckart's SS rank honorific or did he actually have the authority of a Brigadeführer?
You have no idea what your saying.. ⚡️⚡️
This movie is a series of lessons in politics. How wolves operate and dominate and how the "less than cooperative" among the pack concede under their own cowardice; or idealists who later find themselves at the caprices of those they empowered through their designs. It's not just a reflection and remembrance of Nazi war crimes, but warnings to those with political aspirations. The higher you go, the more unpleasant knowledge is revealed, and the more choices you're faced with compromising your obligation to lawfulness and justice. Warnings to us all.
Of course, Stuckart was committed to oppression from the beginning. Whether his portrayal is accurate or poeticized, he shows where his designs landed him - at the caprices of the police state he helped to engineer. So much at their mercy, Stuckart like Kritzinger comes off as a tribune of human rights compared to his deep state opponents, vehemently protesting against their proposal of hard genocide in favor of what - sterilization, i.e. soft genocide.
@@Nethanel773 And as importantly the film is showing us how legal structures are bent and eventually broken so that they enable the mass exterminations that took place in Nazi Germany. We didn't need to see another SS officer, but showing us a legal scholar and his participation in what happens is how this movie shows us how German political and legal structures were complicit.
@crassgop Precisely
I visited this house on a cold November day i was pretty much on my own there,its a beautiful setting on the banks of the wanssee lake nothing at all to indicate the horrors that were decided and finalised there
Great acting job by the fellow playing Dr. Stutgaard (The co author of the Nuremberg Laws).
Branagh brings home the intimidation /power factor that Heydrich had ...however by all accounts the real Heydrich had no charm ..and really had no need for it .by this time ..he was on fast track to even ' bigger" things career wise .possibly to become Reich Protector in France ...still this a good performance
For heydrich men such as:
Hoffman
Langa
Schorngarth
Muller
Eichmann
Klopfer
Luther
Freisler
Leibrandt
Meyer
Buller
These men would follow orders without issue
Stukarrt
Kritzinger
Neumann
We're a worry so they needed to be threatened to fall in line
Pure brilliance.
Hollywood artistic licence, Stugart was a brigadarfuher(general)in the SS at the time of this meeting. Only the writers/director/producers will understand why they portrayed him as a civilian in this movie. Good scene regardless!
They wanted to draw a distinction between the desk job types who hadn't picked up a rifle outside of training and the ones who actually could be expected to be in combat. They do state that he was in the interior ministry which anyone knows that at the time was militarised. But again they wanted to distinguish between the SS men with actual power like Muller or Heydrich obviously and the men who held rank but were mostly desk job types. Its not uncommon for someone to hold rank in a military but their actual expertise in military matters to be limited but they're commissioned in certain specific fields. That's why not everyone is in uniform. They wanted to differentiate between the ones who genuinely held power in the SS and the ones who were expendable. Say what you will about Heydrich he still died in combat. The moment they tried to kill him he didn't do the automatic take cover but tried to engage his assailants. Arrogance or bravery it makes no difference. Someone like Stuckart would probably have ducked(and survived). This is the reason to make it easier to see who is what in practice not in theory. This is a highly militarised era and it can be confusing for modern audiences as to who was a professional long service military type and the militarised civilian types who today would not hold any rank in an equivalent institution.
@@florinivan6907 It was because Stuckart was there representing the Interior Ministry. He was not there to represent any office of the SS.
That would be an iron fist in a mailed glove.
Hard to believe that Dr Stuckart is played by the same actor who plays Frank Gallagher in Shameless.
Kritzinger is the one you're thinking of
Don´t worry, I know is was a kind of hard to see Ken.
Actually the last time many people saw him was as Lockhart in Harry Potter, that´s a fact even for me (In movies I mean) And not all of them know him as something else but Lockhart and thats too much to say.
If Heydrich wants everything goes his way... what is the purpose of the meeting again?
To make them follow his orders
You just described it.
To have everyone on board. Didn't wanna have a difference of opinion among the bureaucrats/administrative officials and the SS which would only delay their work.
Ensure that they are clear on the objective, make sure there is "unanimity" and then they can begin planning for the objective.
Heydrich was scary to people who worked for him.
If you were loyal and did what he asked, you were treated well and rewarded with a lot of money and other treats. If you disobeyed him or did not carry out his orders the way he wanted them, you were crushed and killed.
Chivalry makes this decision easy.
First the iron fist then the velvet glove!
Brilliant actor.
Ohh, LOL, I do love both books, Harry Potter´s and Tolkien´s. Great books, especially Tolkien´s, a great piece of work ;) I love all those fantasy stuff.
I must say: books are looong way better than movies, Tolkien´s ones are. Sometimes movies can give a wrong feeling.
I think Brian Blessed is alive!! And he´s the favorite actor to be Thorin in "The Hobbit", hopefully, but maybe Ken will cast him as Odin or something in "Thor".
@Gaaramaru I fully agree with you, the german one is way better. IMO, movies about the germans should be made with german actors who are speaking german. For example, i think the movie "Stauffenberg" is way better than "Valkyrie".
Well I don't speak German, and while your reading the sub-titles you miss the facial expression or the movements, so you miss a lot, therefore, English is just fine.
I'll bet you don't speak fluent German and I dare you to sit through any German movie without sub titles for more than 2 minutes!
@@sandrawinkler8965 ang Ioids seem to be imbeciles
@Gaaramaru No he don't, Heydrich's uniform is correct. This is the first pattern SS Obergruppenführer collar tabs. They look like Gruppenführer since there's only one rank button, but the rank of these collar tabs are Obergruppenführer. You will notice them on many photographs of Heydrich from this period. Heydrich died a few months later so he only wore the second pattern for a short time.
This scene is 100% fictional (it should be noted).
As is almost all of the dialog in the film.
The Wanssee minutes from the meeting were altered (by Heydrich) and only general in nature.
Plus, they covered none of the discussions that might have taken place once the minutes were not being kept.
Heydrich was clearly a disgusting monster.
And this is a great scene from a powerful and haunting film.
But there is no way to know if this scene represents his personality in any way.
☮
This is a piece of television drama, not an historical record. This version has taken a lot of dramatic license to convey certain points. For example in reality Gerhard Klopfer of the Party Chancellery was not obese. He was a very thin man, and a man who would have never worn that uniform we see him wearing here. He would have worn an SS uniform, which if you look at photos of him, you will see him wear. These changes were done for dramatic effect.
I would like to see the whole film
"Conspiracy" is available on DVD from Amazon.
I wonder if Heydrich was really the way he was portrayed here.
He was worse. When he arrived in Prague on his first day as deputy Reich protector of Bohemia and Moravia he was quoted as saying "there is a lot of good to be done here" and ordered 400 citizens to be rounded up and executed on his first day there. Does that tell you what kind of man he was?
Far worse
Let's put it this way...... Hitler viewed him as cold blooded. If Hitler thinks you're extra, you're probably an unimaginable monster. It's a beautiful thing it took him a week to die from sepsis.
Colin Firth and Kenneth Branagh!
LOL I really don´t know.
Love this movie by the way.
Yes, as ilovemuchado said, The Boat will rock with Ken there.
Heydrich was EVIL and Sadistic
UNANIMITY
Kenneth Branagh and Colin Firth worked so well together in this scene.
My gosh, what a coincidence indeed, Valkyrie and Thor! LOL
But Valkyrie, Op Valkyrie, is not exactly about the Celtic goddess, but anyway what a coincidences. I love coincidences LOL
Nordic.
Dude, don´t you know hes acting and directing? he will appear in "Valkyrie" and other movie, and he´ll be directing "Thor"
XDDDDDDD
You were right. He did well. 2020.
Meat hooks?!! Ugh!
Gerhard Klopfer was a slim built man, in the movie they used Ian McNeice English actor of 500lbs to personify Klopfer, big mistake or propaganda.
It was intententional because they wanted to show the personality of Borrman, who was known to be vulgar, crude and egotistical.
I always find it interesting how in English language films about NAZIs, they always us British actors.
And you speak fluent German?
Without subtitles you are as lost as most of us!
Generally Americans don't like to be seen as the bad guys, they prefer to be the cavalry. So the brits are the baddies. The Chinese now have Americans doing terrible things with the heroic Chinese coming in and sorting them out.
@@freebornjohn2687 lol I've noticed that too. Watching a Chinese film and a white guy shows up my first thought is "he'll be a bad guy or at least working for the bad guys"
The scene is nonsense; it is inserted purely for drama. Heydrich would not have so blatantly threatened anybody with death at the meeting; nor would there have been fundamental opposition. The documented disagreements between Stuckart and Heydrich solely concerned the "half-Jews".
Even in Stuckart's own testimony after the war, when he tried to paint himself favorably to Allied judges, he never claimed to have offered any resistance to the killing of the Jews in general; nor to have suggested sterilization as an alternative. Again, this only concerned the relatively small group of German "half-Jews".
Heydrich's reference to "meathooks" is ahistorical. This painful and humiliating method of execution was first used almost a year later to execute members of the "Red Orchestra"; there is no record of it being used any earlier for the execution of "traitors".
Why do Germans have English and American accents?
You want a HBO/BBC film which is to be viewed by an English speaking audience, to have German actors come in, who no one knows, and do this drama, instead of some of the best British, Irish and American actors we have do it?
@@johnking5174 😊
Evil Sadistic Monster's
Surely only a god fearing Tigersbay proddie could carry off a megalomaniac , Jew hating Psychopathic Catholic so precisely.
No one cares
@TheReichskommissar Yes, you are right: thanks for correction^^ I looked on an older (wrong) scheme of Uniforms and rank signs. But I don't like this film, it's to commercial. the german film from 1984 is much better and closer to the protokoll from Luther.
Agree. The German film style was more like documentary and less like soap opera.
A film briliánsan bemutatja ezt a szörnyű kort.
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Kenneth Branagh is really not sinister for this part. Heydrich was a psycopath.
Exactly, now look up the definition of a psychopath. What defines them is their ability to appear charming and normal, despite being a raging lunatic on the inside.
Rainier7777 he was excellent as the evil heydrich
Found him good. Compared with the rumors about Heidrich, that he wants to play in a concert in Prague the violin. And he arrested or killed. Not quite sure. The violinist from the concert to obtain his place. So he seems nice but is a monster.
Rainier7777 debateable. He had an ideological cause; psychopaths are generally concerned with personal gain at any costs and would not care about their 'own' people. Of course, he harboured some psychopathic traits. I'd describe Hitler as a neurotic megalomaniac.
Heydrich may have been an evil man but outwardly he was charming, sociable, and very family oriented. When one studies his upbringing, his education, and his family life, it's difficult to imagine that beneath of all that he was a vicious killer bent on the annihilation of an entire race of people.
All meetings in Britain generally:
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Heydrich wears a wrong uniform... He was Obergruppenführer no Gruppenführer
Well who cares, when your not German you don't know the difference, and the acting should tell us who's in charge.
Agree, yoi have a pair of sharp eyes sir
Too English for the part.
Kinda the point
English is a Teutonic language. So is German.
when men were men
Sounds like a DNC convention...
Yes, the Democrats are clearly the most nationalistic party in the country
Totally Evil and Inhuman Sadistic Monster
Heydrich was Evil and Inhuman
German efficiency genius.
I love them all!