Why Are There So Few Black Football Managers?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2023
- More than 43% of Premier League footballers are black, yet at the end of last season, there wasn't a single black manager in the division.
At the start of next season, Burnley boss Vincent Kompany will become just the eleventh black manager in the history of the Premier League.
These are staggering statistics, and they are consistent - if not even worse - throughout the Championship, EFL, La Liga, Bundesliga, and almost all of European football.
So in this video, HITC Sevens takes a deep dive into the lack of black managers, the real reasons behind it, and what can be done to fix it. - กีฬา
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Naturally, as a black man, I loved this video. But more importantly (as always with Alfie), I found it be a totally balanced discussion. Eluding to unconscious bias as opposed to out and out racism (amongst other points raised) was spot on, for me.
Alfie, maybe you could follow this up with one on the complete absence of black referees. The only black referee in the Premier League that I can recall is Uriah Rennie, and he retired nearly 20 years ago. I understand that it's easier to research football players and clubs but I have sneaking suspicion that the old boys club that is the FA has a lot to answer for in this respect. Or is it simply that few black people are willing to face the levels of abuse prevalent towards referees in non-league and the lower leagues which, in their case, is aggravated by racist abuse on top of the usual?
So we've actually gone backwards with the amount of black referees....
After Rennie retired, there were no black referees in the English professional leagues for over ten years when Sam Allison was promoted in 2020. The following year Sunny Gill became the first Asian referee in the EFL.
I assume it's going to be similar to this video though, because of the stereotype that refereeing needs "brains" like goalkeepers/holding midfielders etc.
Although, on top of that, referees already are constantly under attack no matter what they do. Now imagine adding racial abuse on top of that... I feel like that would be a reason why black referees, even if they wouldn't be discouraged from going into refereeing (which, going off this video, they most likely are), they possibly wouldn't want to deal with all that. But hopefully we will get one who can stand up to the insults at some point and be a role model for those facing similar issues
@@thameslinkrail4038 Gill was not the first Asian referee; he's the second, after Jarnail Singh retired in 2010
@@maciejbala477 Didn’t Rennie stand up to insults & become a role model?
"You may be able to tell by my tone of voice"
I didn't realise you had more than one tone.
Lol honestly he has like 2 at most 😂😂
Admittedly he never managed in British football, but Frank Rijkaard was manager of Barcelona for 5 years. In that time they won la liga twice, finished 2nd twice and 3rd once, and of course won the champions league in 2006. Rijkaard also became the first ever Barcelona manager to have won twice against Real Madrid away at the Bernabeu.
I know he had an excellent squad at Barcelona but he's really not talked about enough for his achievements as a manager.
Also Alfie if you're reading this, I would recommend looking up the "crafty vs sneaky" study of American sports broadcasting if you haven't already. It has very similar conclusions to the study you mentioned regarding which players commentators will call athletic, fast, powerful, skillful, intelligent etc., and also highlights the use of different words to describe the same types of play or behaviours. The notable example being where when college basketball players would play help defence and steal the ball from the attacking player's blindside, and they found that overwhelmingly the commentators would say that the white players doing this were crafty, and the black players doing this were sneaky.
You're spot on with he parallels to American sport - Lamar Jackson kept coming to mind while I was listening to this
Very interesting observation very insightful
This guy is actually a breath of fresh air. Just to hear reasonable balanced takes in the football world it’s rare nowadays man
I’ve always felt bad for Darren Moore. He has been a class manager at all 3 clubs he has managed and as far as i’m aware he’s always got respect from his players but his only stint in the prem was trying to save a West Brom team that was almost mathematically relegated yet he almost saved them anyway
Yes Darren Moore has been hard done by.
Again though, after getting Sheffield Wednesday they sacked him and brought in a Spanish manager NOT a white English guy!
ALL English managers are in the same boat, no matter what their skin colour they're losing jobs to foreign managers - Even in the Championship now!
For me Darren Moore is a better manager than Scott Parker or Frank Lampard but he didn't have the playing career of Scott Parker or Frank Lampard therefore he doesn't get a quick or straightforward route to management in the top flight.
Since Rio Ferdinand retired I'm wracking my brain for a single top class English Black Player retirement and we all know Ferdinand chose to go into TV work over management.
Let's see what happens with Kyle Walker, will he try his hand at management in a couple years time?
@@franohmsford7548 Big Dave was brilliant and well loved by us Baggies. You're right, about what he did at Albion.
If he had been appointed a month earlier, we would have probably stayed up.
He instilled a unity at the club that had disappeared, if we had kept him, he may have taken us up through the play-offs.
He is a fine man manager and is astute tactically.
I had the pleasure of meeting him and speaking to him, he is a truly humble and lovely man.
@@franohmsford7548sol Campbell and Ashley Cole are not known for their brains. Someone like Garth Crooks fits the profile. Then again Wayne Rooney is a manager, so maybe brains don't really matter.
I rate Xisco as a manager but I absolutely miss Darren moore- yes if the pay demands chansiri spoke about were true then I see why we parted ways with him- but I still highly highly rate him and he'll definitely be missed at Hillsborough
@@franohmsford7548let's be honest Rio did well to avoid football management
You've outgrown HITC mate, this video was exceptional, I salute you sir.
Benni McCarthy is doing a great job as a coach at old trafford. Not sure if hes tried managing before, but hopefully he gets the chance one day.
He was a manager for Cape Town City and Amazulu FC, here in South Africa, before taking a coaching role at Manchester United.
@@jcnjolomba nice, how did he do there?
@@meldrew69 he won the MTN8 with Cape Town City (the equivalent of the English league cup but slightly different) & finished second with AmaZulu FC helping them to the CAF Champions League. He's a capable manager. At least at the level in our country so far.
In my FM save he went on to be Bayern manager after 10 very successful years in Belgium as manager of my great rivals. Hope he can be that star irl
@@harleyt-l8977 Club Brugge or Anderlecht?
You had mentioned Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank's spell at QPR not being a success. He had joined QPR after a year at Burton Albion; Burton were 5th in League 2 at the time of his appointment in November 2014, leading Burton to the League 2 title that season, before leaving Burton for QPR in December 2015 with Burton top of League 1, with 41 points from 20 matches.
I too was thinking of the Hasselbank's huge successful spells at Burton.
But alfie wants the agenda of race baiting
There was also his second spell in charge of Burton where he took over around Christmas in 20/21 with us firmly bottom of the league before guiding us to a midtable finish. He lost a bit of that magic this season in fairness though
@@tomsanderson9111 Hasselbank has proved himself at Burton Albion. It may not have worked out at QPR, but at Burton it did. It's the general point that not every manager can be a success at every club, but can be a success if everything comes together
@@jonnybyrne989idiot
Superb video on a touchy topic. As a black male, I understand this would’ve been difficult for you to shed light on, but presenting the facts as you have highlights the issue
there's no issue. Black ex players have largely chosen not to go into management. That's all there is to it.
@@kevinb9830 I take it you didn't watch the video?
@kevinb9830 so going by your comment it's only ex players that go into management then....which of course is completely false
@@kevinb9830 But why is that? The video gives some clues but you have to watch it first of course.
@@F1Krazy I don't need to. I already know the talking points by commies like Alfie. He will have nothing to say about the even bigger underrepresentation of whites in the English game, because that doesn't suit the agenda.
One thing I have often wondered is how did Frank rijkaard a two time la liga champion and a champions league winning manager never got a top Job again
He’s the only black manager to win the champions league.
He never really showed the desire to continue his coaching career at the highest level? Burnout and he's a private guy.
Barcelona in that sense has been a weird outlier. Before Barça, he got relegated with Sparta Rotterdam. And after Barça, there were failed stints at Galatasaray and the Saudi Arabia national team.
So maybe Rijkaard simply got really lucky that he landed that job at Barcelona, and there happened to be a good connection between him and an already very talented group of players that may have won La Liga and the Champions League regardless of who was in charge?
Can also remember Rijkaard really needed that sabbatical after he had quit at Barcelona. Maybe when he came back available for a manager's job, a lot of clubs had simply forgotten about him? Rijkaard isn't really the kind of guy you'll see in the media a lot, he lives a relatively secluded life, then it's easy enough to not have him high on your wish list.
Thought Rijkaard has also always been notoriously picky about the manager's jobs he takes, maybe a lot of clubs therefore just can't be bothered giving him a call to see if he's interested with the risk of him snubbing them?
Not to exclude potential systemic racism, by the way. Sadly that too could be a very realistic possibility. But unfortunately everything we could possibly say on this is mere speculation. All we know for sure, is that Rijkaard himself has said he's not interested in a manager's job anymore.
He retired. Could still get a job easily!
Because he isn't any good.
We don't even appreciate our own black managers here in Africa 😂 😂 😂
We always look to employ foreigners for club and national teams
Depends what country, some african countries who are christian have inferiority complex, just like the filipinos in asia. But for muslim african contries like somalia, mali, senegal etc. europeans are just kuffar infidels, unbelievers. They all have african coaches. And sudan has a ghanaian coach
In Africa, many of our countries hire white European managers to take care of our national teams 😬 it’s embarrassing for us really
because blax cant lead
This is why I am so happy that Aliou Cisse has been successful with Senegal.
Your coaches aren't good enough.
@@cannibalsanonymous2321slave mentality right their
@@nn8742No true. Football isn't as developed as it is in Europe. I believe next generation will see more Non - white managers
I learned about this problem in the NFL several months ago and I've been wondering if European football had a similar issue with underrepresentation of minorities in leadership positions. Of course this channel comes through for me to show that is very much the case. Thank you for the great video as always!
Sadly even with the Rooney Rule there has been head-scratchingly bad hires, and Black coaches often get worse jobs and less patience from owners. If I recall the Washington Post did a very good statistical analysis a few months ago, and it was depressing reading.
It actually is interesting to compare to the NFL - coded language ("Class act" is almost code for Black, "scrappy/hard-working" for white), positional expectations (the stereotype of Black players not being "good enough" to play QB being the most prominent), and retread hires of the same old boys' network when jobs become open. Seems all too familiar.
@@gollygeep You're completely right, and I believe a lot of it comes from the top down like how there are virtually no owners from minority backgrounds.
Frank Rijkaard and Antoine Kombouaré had great success as Managers at FC Barcelona and PSG-Paris respectively.
In the Netherlands we have plenty from surinam/antilles descent. Rijkaard, ten Cate, Fräser. Reiziger was coaching at Ajax but his career got sidelined when Overmars left sadly (not just he left, many did).
@@daarom3472 Seedorf and Gullit as well.
@@Benny_000 werent very successful though
What has this to do with britain?
00:00 Introduction
01:12 Percentage of black players in the Premier League
01:39 The only black manager in the Premier League
02:01 Two opposing views on the lack of black managers
03:00 Exploring the actual reasons for the lack of black managers
04:00 The importance of representation
04:45 Historical perceptions and misconceptions about black footballers
06:02 Racial prejudice in English football
07:20 Shift in perceptions about black footballers
08:48 Racially coded language used to describe black players
24:40 Black coaches face challenges in getting top jobs
25:29 Black coaches also struggle to start from the bottom
26:09 Black managers have had success in the Premier League and FL
27:17 Rooney Rule and NBA's approach to diversity
28:02 Lack of diversity in English football
29:10 Trailblazers and increasing representation in management
less than 5% of the UK is black. What is 5% of 20?
I remember when people said BLM wasn't saying only black lives matter... Yet here we are 6 years later and nobody gives a shit about any ethnicity or minority that isn't black.
Thanks.
honestly we need this for nearly every video from HITC sevens, they just go on and on without any actual content at times, so thank you!
One black manager you could have mentioned is Pitso Mosimane, one of the most successful coaches out there.
Greatest South African coach of all time in my opinion
43 percent players an no managers . 95 percent white supporters at games. To many black players representing 5 percent of crowd.
But he is african, and not from a minority with slave background like gypsies in Eastern Europe. Totally different context
These stereotypes will never go away because people are lazy. It's easier to judge people by stereotypes than look at what they do, say, and believe.
In my experience, if someone puts you in a box and you prove them wrong, they'll try hard to prove themselves right rather than actually accepting what they see.
Crazy talk.
💯
@@cannibalsanonymous2321 The username says it all.
But it's good to separate stereotypes from observations. Broadly any 100m Olympic final will show black athletes will get described more often as powerful and quick. That's my issue with the Danish study that was referenced outcomes. It would be more valuable to see if quick black players are described as quick more than equally quick white players over a period of time. Are creative black players described differently to their white counter parts etc?
Yep. And especially if those people are not very bright and fail to think critically
I had this on my mind before. Well done for unpacking this Alfie 👏🏾
Man this is the best video you have ever done. The research and analysis is top tier.
You forgot to mention Jean Tigana who did a great job at Fulham and took them to the premier league from the third tier
I have to mention Kevin Keegan took Fulham out of what was Division Two, then Paul Bracewell failed to get them to the Premier League then Tigana takes over
nonsense
A starting point has to be that here in the UK black people make up a grand total of 3% of the population. That's a very small amount.
Now obviously managers come from other countries to as do players but black people are equally a very small percentage of other European countries where football is played at the highest level.
Black footballers are actually over represented however not exactly, because they usually don't come from that country but from African countries and relocate. A starting question may be why those players very rarely choose to go into management because it is far less likely that an African manager starting in an African country would have scope to prove themselves.
Realistically this is not really a question of discrimination or racism. It's a question of choices made and simply where football is played.
This kind of truth doesn’t fit well with the kind of bs agenda orientated crap this video is trying to spout
Exactly. How can say more of our own need a chance but then try to do that by misrepresenting your actual population. In every country, whatever the job, nationals should be given priority regardless of race. However, the best will rise to the top.
In America, black men represent 13% of the population. Does that mean that they shouldn’t represent the majority in football and basketball particularly? No. If just means that they are the best. Yea, there’s nepotism and racism. However, to say that it’s racism, is nonsense. Otherwise, they wouldn’t make those players really rich. Bottom line this is a matter of making money and nothing else for the most part.
Cracking video as always Alfie, keep on fighting the good fight mate and UTT! 🐅
Why are there so few black goalkeepers is an interesting topic.
There are more today than there ever have been (mendy, onana, Maignon) but still waaaay fewer than I would expect given the number of black outfield players.
If I said “name as many black GKs as you can” I reckon most people couldn’t name 10, past or present, which is crazy if you think about it.
Edit: you just kinda touched on the GK position in this video but it’s still an interesting subject for deeper analysis.
Because they play basketball because black people are tall
@@romannavrro6330but being tall has nothing to do with race,tallest and the smallest ethnic group are consider black
@@romannavrro6330But Black people are not the tallest people on average, that doesn't make sense.(I'm Black)
@@fadhil2831The tallest ethnic group is Black, but on average Black people are not the tallest in the world.
@@weirdo4653 the tutsi are some of the tallest
Not sure if this is valid, but even with Kante, discussion almost always seems to revolve around his stamina and how much he runs, and not how he reads the game or his intelligence
I wouldn't personally say so alot of people in the defensive mold but his main attribute is him running about making it appear he's 3 people. People tend to mention the main attributes of many players like Kane's goal scoring ability and what have you.
It’s even more pernicious than that, by only calling them through the view of their physical ability they literally cancel the subtlety of their game. For years and even now Mbappe has been called a sprinter, I never heard that for Overmars, but he was the most splendid 16yrs I have ever seen, his medium-range passing absolutely told me that I was seeing something special in Monaco, so mature and so clever.
'but even with Kante, discussion almost always seems to revolve around his stamina and how much he runs'
Because that's what he is best at. Just get over it ffs. They said the same about Jordan Henderson. Because it's true. If you want racism to exist everywhere it will.
@@ndjimifeumba1708 'I never heard that for Overmars'
Are you having a laugh? His pace was ALWAYS mentioned. Always.
You are either trying to have a laugh or… You have never heard anyone “diminishing” his talent because of his pace, he was praised for being a great winger, that’s it. No one was coming saying things like, you know that Overmars guy, I don’t think he is such a good player, he can only run along the line and that’s it, if he couldn’t (I barely paraphrasing what is regularly written) he would be nothing.@@kevinb9830
There are many black football managers, and they are mostly in countries with a high black population. In countries where black people are a minority, you wouldn't expect many black football managers.
But the question should be, why does Africa not produce many great football managers that go on to manage top European clubs? The answer to that is more in line with why Africa fails to put up good performances at world cups, nor produce great players at the rate of other football obsessed continents such as Europe and South America. Corruption and incompetence in leadership in the African nations has everything to do with it.
So why in countries where black people are in the minority are there so many black players?
Surely there would be a significant percentage, say 10-20%, who would want to progress into management- yet do not get the opportunity.
@archstanton6102 That's because today's society is quite different from 40 years ago. Let's use England as an example. Today's England squad is packed with talented black youngsters who went through various youth development programs in the country. What we are witnessing in the England squad and in the prem is not a result of today's changes, but changes in society that occurred more than 2 decades ago. Now players who played in the 90s and 2000s would have been born in the 80s, 70s and 60s. That's an Era when Europe was really white, and so the chances of a black man making it in the sport were slim, and only extremely talented individuals got a sniff. The average age of football managers in the prem is 47yrs give or take, which means most of them were born in the 70s. They never stood a chance really. But 10-20 Years from now it will be a different story. Society took time to change, and those changes will have an impact on these things but some will take more years than others.
Think about it this way. When black people were first allowed to compete in the 100m race they would only be coached by white people since those were the only people with the experience, and it would remain that way for quite some time. But today you can get a coach of any color of your choosing.
A very good point well made. Unfortunately your common sense is greatly lacking in most people. People who just want a pat on the back from certain people & a well done you ignore the facts & truth.
God i mean you just keep surprising me with your maturity and intelligence. You’re seriously becoming an all-time great commentator in my view, not just about football, but an incredible amount of related content!
Been watching every single video this calendar yeah, and I plan to keep going, because the quality keeps increasing!
Love your stuff
And this is why I love your Chanel Alfie best Football TH-cam Chanel hands down. Always asking the tough questions and producing great videos
Videos like this make me wish Alfie could be free home the shackles of HITC and give this topic the full documentary treatment. I’d kill to hear him interview and directly engage with the stakeholders in issues like these. Love the videos but I just know there’s so much more Alfie could be producing if he wasn’t contractually obligated to pump out videos like mormons pump out babies.
I’d love Alfie to branch out on his own, I think he’s ready. Irish Guy is making videos in the same style but you can tell there’s a lot more freedom there. Would love Alfie to be able to do that.
@@scpjack7856 financial security outweighs creativity in times like these
Do you have any idea on what those contract obligations are? I'm also curious why he hasn't gone his own way yet considering his fanbase would follow him to his new channel. Maybe his current deal is not that bad after all?
@@soundscape26he probably doesn’t feel he needs to
@@soundscape26 He's probably earning decent money right now and doesn't want to take the risk of a solo TH-cam career.
Plus from what I've seen he has quite a bit of creative freedom given the kinds of topics that he covers
#thepeopleschannel a video on the Bangladesh premier league and the rise of Bashundhara kings would be good
A team who went into the top flight after promotion and won the last four league titles now!
Are they the next Newcastle? Are they a team to keep a eye on next few years? Thanks Alfie 😊
I think it’s because there were so few Black players in the best (i.e. European) leagues until recent generations. I think in the next 20 years we’ll have the same diversity in the dugout that we do on the pitch because players will transition.
Also because in the past they were managed by sub par managers themselves. At least in England. That's about to change now as there is a generation of players retiring who have been managed by excellent managers, even if they only played in the EPL. Take Kompany for instance. There's no shortage of mentors as in former managers of his, he could call if he needs help. In management having a mentor is a huge.
partially, but it's foolish to say it's just because of one reason. There's certainly a lot of racism in football, and it's also a factor. But yes, it's definitely important to see other sides of the picture too like you say
That's what I used to think too, but if that was the case, we should be seeing it in action right now, not in 20 years' time. I don't think the proportion of black footballers in the Premier League now is much higher than it was 20 years ago.
'diversity'? So does that mean we will have whites massively under-represented as we do in football in general? Oh terrific, we won't talk about that, though.
Great video. Not completely related, but I played for an academy team growing up in Canada that has since gone on to produce players playing this past season in La Liga, the Belgian top flight as well as MLS. My age group was mostly comprised of Black players and there were countless times when we travelled down south for some of the bigger academy tournaments/showcases that we would go out to eat in restaurants and locals would presume we were a basketball team. Keep in mind our tallest player was 6'2, which even as teenagers, would make us by far the shortest "basketball" team in the country. They would literally just see the colour of my teammates' skin and assumed that we must've played basketball. We were young and this was a while back, so I think most of my teammates were able to laugh it off at first, but after the third, fourth, fifth time... it got incredibly tiresome, and I could tell it was starting to aggravate my teammates as we got older.
Obviously the MLS has grown popularity for the game massively in North America (especially the USA) since then, but it was telling to hear how archaic some people's perception of what constituted a soccer player/footballer.
Best German players in the premier league of all time. (Day 522)
I will not give up until the video is made or Alfie himself tells me to stop. Everyone else telling me that will be ignored.
If you don't believe my number, just go back to the previous videos. I'm at the bottom most of the time, but I'm there.
You are at the bottom, you've got that right.
@@Bale4Bond ??
I will always have to say Klinsmann as the best 😁
Someone I’d highlight is Samson Tovide, a young star for Colchester United. He has created and managed his own Sunday league team to a league title despite being only 19 years old and breaking through and playing a key role for col u this season, showing his passion for managing a group of players. I honestly never acknowledged with ethnicity whilst keeping up with his story as i kept with it because i’m a col u fan but this video highlighted the lack of representation of managers from the BAME background. Players like him should be praised for this no matter what background or age and I hope that a great career at colchester is followed by a great career is management and his achievements show that he has the capabilities to do so
But he is african. I thought its about people with a history of enslavement, like irish or gypsies.
I cant believe its about looks
A good report, very informative, well done...
Wow, this was one of your best vids so far. Very in depth on such a complicated issue. Brilliant.
In France back in the 80s 90s it was common to find black people in defense Arabs in midfield and white up top, it was like build in the academy structure to have that type of profile, if you were black you were “better suited “ in defense because of physicialuty.the Arabs were seen as “agile and quick” so they were put in midfield
This is like how American football for a long time was de facto divided by race lol Offensive lineman (white) Defence lineman, linebackers, cornerbacks, and safetys (black). Wide recievers and running backs (black). Quarterbacks (white).
Now we have exciting black players at quarterback like Justin Fields, Lamar Jackson, and of course Patrick Mahomes. And standout white players at running back like Christian McCaffrey lol ALl due to the breaking of stereotypes at who can play what position
@@kiroolioneaver8532 mahomes is white, even in ghana or nigeria he isnt even perceived half caste.
As far as i know all french footbsll stars were non french. From platini to Cantona who is catalan.
So was there also grouping. Armenians in defense, italians in striking position and poles in midfield?
@@kiroolioneaver8532 not really. Because defense and midfield are the strategic positions. Top and striker would mean the american black position. So its not the same.
Because the likes of micah Richards and Ian Wright would rather be black pundits laughing every 5 minutes on TV. Don't blame them in a way
You genuinely believe Micah would be a manager?😂😂😂 You could just argue the likes of Henry failed but fr every Henry, there's 5 lampards. The issue is there isn't much exposure for black players or black professionals to become managers. These are things that take time to build, so it's not gonna happen over night but conversations like this are important.
This is one YT'er that knows how to get value out them stock photo deals 😂
Love the puns!
Great vid as always Sir.
Next level football topic videos. Amazing job
WHAT A VIDEO! YOU'VE GOT SOME SERIOUS BALLS TO TACKLE SUCH A TOPIC ON A MONETISED PLATFORM BROTHER. KEEP DOING THE GOOD WORK.....I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT U LOOK LIKE LOL BUT YOUR CONTENT IS LEGEND!!!!!
Serious balls? He knows 90% of people will be fawning all over him.
- 40 years ago there were barely any black players in the top flight of English Football.
- A footballer's career as a player is approximately 18 years, and that fits with Paul Ince becoming the first Black Manager of a Premier League Club in 2008 given that those Black players who preceded him incl. the likes of Viv Anderson and Cyrille Regis and John Fashanu had to fight just to become recognised as top class players never mind managers.
- With more and more Black players playing in the Premier League each season we are seeing more Black managers get chances BUT another problem has reared its head in that English managers as a whole don't get chances in the Premier League {No matter what their skin colour!} and clubs are more and more looking to foreign managers who've done well in the big European Leagues like Italy, Spain and Germany {And where are the Black managers in those Leagues? Heck even Ligue Un in France only had one Black manager in 2022 and France has I believe the largest Black population in Europe}.
- With even Championship Clubs choosing foreign managers today it makes it even harder for Black-British Ex-Players to get on the management ladder and it might need a Marcus Rashford or Tyrone Mings to choose management over TV before Black Ex-players further down the ladder {those who haven't played for England} start looking at management as a realistic proposition over just being an assistant coach, under 17s coach etc.
- Kompany is NOT English, He's Belgian and had already served an apprenticeship at Anderlecht {where he didn't actually do that well but still got the Burnley job}.
- Patrick Viera and Thierry Henry are getting management jobs even though Henry hasn't yet managed in England and seems happy with the assistant position with Belgium right now.
- Sol Campbell's well-known mental issues made it much much harder for him to get chances at the top level as a manager.
- Rio Ferdinand went into TV as did Ian Wright before him.
- Jermaine Pennant, Aaron Lennon, Sean Wright Phillips were never management material.
- Dwight Yorke didn't get a coaching job anywhere till 2022 so it's not like he's put himself out there.
- Paul Ince, Lee Clark and Sol Campbell have all given Andrew Cole coaching positions which haven't led to anything.
- Even Paul Ince had to start at Milton Keynes.
- Kompany started at Anderlecht though which proves that a black manager can start at a respectable European club competing in Europe
@@oskarlisinski8807 He started at an Anderlecht that had fallen on hard times and weren't even competing in Europe that season.
An Anderlecht who had finished 4th in the regular season in 2018-19 only to fall to 6th {outside of the European places} after the Championship Play-Off round.
Anderlecht haven't got past the group stage of the Champions League since 2001 and have only competed in the Europa League last 16 four times since 2003 {yes they reached the Quarter Finals in 2017 before losing to Man U - Their best performance in Europe since 1997 when they also went out in the UEFA Cup Qtr Finals; that time to Inter}.
And most importantly the Belgian Pro League is NOT one of the European Big 5 Leagues even if you discount the EPL, Heck the Dutch and Portuguese top flights are both stronger than the Belgian Pro League.
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Anderlecht was literally the best position Kompany could get - The biggest club in Belgium yes but in a rebuilding phase whilst Club Brugge and KRC Genk were far ahead of them.
Also Anderlecht were Kompany's first club, he was there from 14-20 years old and went back as Player-Manager aged 33 to his childhood club.
@@oskarlisinski8807 kompany isnt black, so that doesent count. It makes no improvement for someone who is really black when some mixed race people are hired.
Its the same in latin america. Where is the imorovement for indigenous people when mesticos are hired. None. Are you american?
Its intersting that 30 years ago noone mixed race in europe was called black etc. Is there a american racial conspiracy going on, leading to one drop rule
@@oskarlisinski8807 Do you also count felix magath whose father is puerto rican. Lol
Fascinating video, thanks!
Thank you for the picture of Jon Gruden, Alfie. Sometimes I wish you did ‘what on earth is going on at’ videos for American football.
Post #7: Alfie you should really consider doing a video on the Bosnian men's national team, from being ranked 13 in the world in 2014 and qualifying for the World Cup in Brazil, to not qualifying for a single tournament since, yet managing to win their uefa nation leagues group, but genuinely hitting our lowest point with a 2-0 defeat to Luxembourg. Aging players, players who represent other national teams that are eligible to play for Bosnia but aren't seeming interested, just the genuine geopolitical mess that Bosnia is with how the Dayton agreement was meant to simply end the Bosnian war yet became the country's de facto constitution. I think it would make for a very interesting video, and could even span additional videos like how Velez Mostar are forced to play away from their original stadium in Mostar as it is on the Croatian side of the river, with their old stadium being taken over by Zrinjski Mostar. A club that was actually banned in Yugoslavia because of their nationalistic origin
I truly hope Alfie makes a video about Benjamin Mendy and Mason Greenwood and other such players/cases. The internet is an absolute shambles right now and we need Alfie to clear things up. He seems to be one of the only voices of reason in the online football-sphere.
Does voice of reason mean he considers him guilty based on charges only even though it has been proven some of the things said by the supposed victims don't line up with evidence like one girl hugging Mendy day after she was supposedly r*ped?
@@oskarlisinski8807 yes, I'm sure a guy who claimed in court that he'd slept with 10k women isn't a sexual predator or a danger to society, and should be completely exonerated because he wasn't convicted for something that is incredibly hard to convict for
@@ethandalton6480 sleeping with a lot of women doesn't make him a 'predator'. It takes two to tango, and it's just the case that a lot of women are sluts who will sleep with rich and famous men. Obviously.
@@oskarlisinski8807Tell me you have no idea what you’re talking about more brazenly please. One might hug someone after being a victim of rape, if they are afraid of the consequences, or don’t want to upset them. Often women won’t fight an attacker in fear of being beaten or killed. Someone’s the least objectionable option is to just grin and bear it, that does not in any way mean it was consensual. I expect he will do a video on it, and it’s important a respected person in football journalism clears this stuff up, as people need it spelled out until they realise how little they actually know, much like the Hakimi nonsense.
@@hennersucks He won't clear jack shit, he'll be throwing accusations around just like monkey does poo at the zoo. Vizeh has done a very fair and unbiased video on the topic, where he didn't take any sides, but Alfie is so full of this social justice crap he won't even accept the slightest possibility of an actual human woman being in the wrong, let alone 9 of them.
A stranger anomaly, is the massive lack of asian footballers, (indian/Bangladesh/Pakistani), despite the uk having a sizeable demographic.
Brilliant video Alfie, this could have easily been vitriolic, cringey or misinformed but was none of these things and was in fact excellent
This makes no sense, its abo😢ut 5% of managers are black and the black population of the country is also under 5% so its about right. If anything the number of black player is massively overrepresented. I hate this type of thing. Its so racist to only look at somebody's skin colour and decide if thay should or shouldn't get a job based on that. Its crazy.
As a black person who love football, thank you for making this video 🙌🏿
Great vid!
Did you just use an Atalanta pic, well done Alfie!
I would love to see a video on players who have been signed by a club just because of ther Ethnicity, like the score of chinese players signs by various clubs because of their new owners.
This is nonesense. Clubs want the best manegers in the world and they dont care what colour they are
NEXT TOPIC why are there no black chefs in chinese restaurant ?
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Meaning football is a white people's game?
People of West- and Central- African ancestry are more likely to be explosive and powerful (at the expense of endurance) while the opposite is the case for people of East-African ancestry.
The former group is much more prevalent in global football, and I think comments that are disproportionately about their power and athleticism are often merited, but the way in which other traits certain players may have are often ignored in commentary and discussion is flat-out wrong.
I suggest doing a video on 7 pairs of clubs with the best transfer relationships (I.e clubs that buy and sell players to each other semi-regularly) like Man City and Dortmund/Barca, Man Utd and Real Madrid, even Liverpool and Bayern to an extent as well
Really enjoyed the video. Nice insight into black players not forming closer relationships with management and the coaching staff. Hopefully the players will begin to look at that as an opportunity to learn more about the business of running a football club. Taking the initiative could open pathways they never considered before and they may find that people are eager to help.
#ThePeoplesChannel Please do a video about Church Boys United, who won consecutive Nepalese league titles… in the third, second and first division.
U touched a topic that is often ignored 👍👍👍
Great video I do wonder how many Asian mangers there are in the Top 5 leagues or in England overall?
I'm a mixed race man from the uk and i live out in essex, i grew up through the 80's and 90's in newham and racism still exists amongst white uk society i still witness to this day do i think that it's causing there to be a lack of black managers? i think there will be instances amongst owners or within the FA where racial prejudice occurs, however i think these cases are probably very rare, i think that the case you brought up about the old palace owner is probably more or less likely to be the case of old racial stereotypes still hanging around, especially in old institutions like the FA, we've all seen what's happened in cricket and we all know the same thing is happening in football for sure, As a man of colour what i do not wanna see is things like the rooney rule brought in i don't think personally people should get interviews because of there skin colour and i think that it's a terrible gesture and makes you feel as if you're a token gesture aka box ticking, and we all know it goes on, what i will say is this, if any person feels as if they cannot get a top FA job or club job because of who they are or where they are from then questions need to be asked of the FA and governing bodys to why people from ANY background ie black chinese indian whatever feels that they cannot get employment especially when they have the experience, it's not just about black managers it's about everybody being treated like human being and everybody having equal opportunity's not just black managers
I know you put a lot of work on these videos, but this was hyperbolic at best
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Agreed.
great video, another connected video could be about the lack of black and Asian descendent referees in the EFL and the prem
We all know there are no English managers in Europe,or at any of the top 5 English clubs,we are here talking about black managers hopefully next week we can talk about the rise and request from clubs for Black goal keepers,watching 2 black goal keepers at EUEFA finals and Semi finals was exciting but got no recognition
If people think this is solely a race issue they should consider why there are so few European head coaches in the National Hockey League (none in the past two decades) and only one European general manager (of the Columbus Blue Jackets) despite many European players serving as captains of their teams. There's a lot of biases as to who can make a good coach, who the players will listen to, and who will get along best with management. The NHL in particular has a huge revolving door where the same coaches keep getting hired and fired without giving some fresh blood (regardless of background) a chance. Sometimes, it only takes one or two innovators/risk takers and then the flood gates open up lol
I actually think Major League Baseball is a great example where you have a lot of former Latino players (like Alex Cora and Dane Martinez) and African-American managers (Dave Roberts and Dusty Baker Jr.) who were given a chacne to manage (with all four of having led their teams to World Series victories in the last five years).
In fact, you can argue because of the 162-game season, they spend more time with their players than managers in any other sport). Particularly with the growth of players from Latin America in recent years even managers like Tony La Russa (who allegedly learned Spanish) have to adapt to learning new cultural mores in order to better manage their teams.
Also (don't know if you've done the video) it would be interesting to explore the lack of footballers of Asian descent from western countries despite teams like Japan and Korea routinely sending players to some of the top leagues in the world.
One thing I have to pick you up on mate, that rule in America (Rooney rule I think you said): I'm not white and I would never want affirmative action happening in my favour as that means I wasn't the best person for the job. I can only presume and hope everyone else feels the same tbh.
Affirmative action doesn't mean that the person picked for the job wasn't the best lol. Neanderthal. The Rooney Rule only requires a minority coaching candidate to be INTERVIEWED not hired. The reason the Rooney Rule was created was because you'd have elite Black coordinators in the NFL who had 15-20 years in the league under their belt who would never even get consideration for head coaching jobs despite the fact the NFL is something like 90% Black and coaches in the NFL are almost exclusively former NFL players.
A slight misconception on the Rooney rule. The Rooney rule just requires POCs to be interviewed at the same rate is white people, not appointed. Also affirmative action means that black people and other minorities have less obstacles and give businesses more pressure to employ them if they have the right merits, rather than based simply on the colour of their skins. Both actions are greatly misunderstood thanks to grift from politicians who deliberately misstate the actual concepts at hand for their own delusions.
Agreed. It is as humiliating as being given a participation trophy for not winning. Everybody knows the truth.
It's also very unfair to the person who is hired only due to quota because they've basically been set up to fail - placing an underqualified person in a job, especially in a managerial position, almost ensures they will not be successful; and they will have great difficulty in earning the respect of colleagues, and subordinates.
The ironic, heartbreaking effect is that the stereotypes the people who invented these policies seek to debunk are actually reinforced: "'Quota Hire A' proves exactly why no people of color or women have had this job before. They're just not cut out for it. They may be a very nice person with a good work ethic, but this job just is not for them."
I've seen this happen firsthand when the manager started getting bullied by her subordinates because all of them were better qualified than she was, and she tried to assert her authority to compensate. As this was in a high-risk work environment, having an unqualified supervisor (or workers) can easily turn dangerous and even fatal.
Edit: The Supreme Court Justice who upheld affirmative action in the early 2000s said it should only be a temporary measure, and she hopes that within two decades [meaning 2023], it will no longer be necessary because the numbers should have balanced themselves out naturally. I believe it was a case of admission into the University of Michigan.
The Rooney Rule isn't affirmative action though. It doesn't force teams to hire minority candidates just give them an interview because many of them were being overlooked for positions despite having the same or better qualifications than other candidates (hell, the Indianapolis Colts hired a coach last year who had never coach above high school and his contract was not renewed; bet they were a lot of white, black, latino, and asian head and assitant coaches at the NFL and college ranks who rightfully thought they were better candidates for the job lol especially in American football where the coach has such an influence on playcalling).
Great video - very Intresting
Great video as usual Alfie
Great video (as always with HITC Sevens vids) Couple of things I'd point out
1. Managers tend to be older, so the fact 43% of players are currently black or ME means it would take time for that to be reflected in management, as I imagine numbers were smaller in the 90's for example.
2. The fact there are so many black players would point to the fact there is little barrier to entry to the game for black people (Maybe more for British asians though?)
I don't necessarily think it's good to see managers through a racial lens (I consider Kompany as Belgian rather than black for example), but I can see it's a debate worth having. I think Kompany could be a really good coach - but would a belgian inspire, say a British black player to want to be a manager? who knows.
Love all your vids alfie.
I agree. There's a bit of a lazy assumption in these diversity talks that Black inspires black. Africans tend not to like to support West Indians. Nigerians and Ghanaians are famously uninspired by each other to put it politely. Which ironically in itself is a huge racial bias.
@@danielebowman It's not just about direct support, but showing that someone similar to you can achieve the thing you'd like to achieve. To give an example, someone who is 5'7 would be more likely to aim to become a professional basketball player if there were many 5'7 players compared to the current situation.
"I think Kompany could be a really good coach - but would a belgian inspire, say a British black player to want to be a manager?"
Yes, because when the numbers are so few, the specifics (i.e. that he is Belgian and you're British) don't matter as much. For instance, the fact that Jessie Marsch as an American or Bob Bradley as an American managed Premier League teams inspires a lot of Canadians because they're are simply not a lot of North Americans coaching in Europe. If over time, however a Canadian (or someone who came up through Canada Soccer like a John Herdman) got a job managing in Europe, then Canadians would start to be more inspired by the Canadian than in North Americans as a whole lol This is the same with Canadian soccer players. They'd look at Americans who played overseas but now that you have your Alphonso Davies and Jonathan David's those are the players who provide more inspiration.
A lot of African-American ice hockey players are inspired by African-Canadian ice hockey players. But as the number of African-American ice hockey players (like K'Andre Miller) and others increases, they will start to look at their own countries guys for inspiration.
@@kiroolioneaver8532 Your post only illustrates your ignorance of the European cultural differences of ethnic minorities. For example a Black Brit wouldn't be inspired by a black coach in France. Black North Americans are mostly similar in history and background, hence why they may share some identity. European Blacks are very different and anyone in London will know that Nigerians and Gharians are antogistic to ecah otehr and would reject one being a poster child for the other group for the most part.
Because 5 percent of the UK population is Black or Mix race. One in 20 of the population. So there should be on those stats 4 or 5 black managers in all 4 divisions.
That would work as an argument if all Premier League managers were from the U.K., which, obviously, they're not. Not remotely, in fact. There are more Spanish managers in the Premier League than English managers.
I think you are looking for a problem that isn’t there.I can’t see a problem
A formidable response. You've stumped me.
@@lucaschapman2188you seem to playing devils advocate as point of deflection. And it’s not working
Obviously you want to have an over representation of the Black population which is fine.personally I want the best man or woman for the job not just a box ticker. Remember Hope Powell ? Stayed in the England 🏴 job far too long!. Do you want to get rid of Sarina Weigman ?positive discrimination is still discrimination.
Thank you for addressing this relevant topic. This very obvious observation is indeed quite distinctive and deserves a more in-depth look at it.
I can assure you that the misaligned attributed features of a player (~ Asian: Good at dribbling; Black: Fast and strong; White: good passing) are still present today, at least for the lower leagues I am aware of), while at the top level football we currenty experience more healthy statistical descriptions of player roles, rather than based on appearance. I guess the huge competetion there just leads to the need of diversified profiles and you simply cannot "afford" to make assumptions on something vague as a gut feeling.
That being said, I think the kind of argumentation you use at some parts of your video does not provide additional insight and even orient the tone of this topic to get back to player/coaches assessement based on appearance. What I mean is when you list some bad managers that are white and some good managers that are black and before that you list some players that play "counterintuitively to their skin color". This left me with the impression that skin color somehow matters, which I think is not what you intended to say.
I think though, the most important part for a reasonable explanation lies in the comparison between the highly fluctuative global transfer market for players in comparison to the market for coaches. Add path dependancy and you get a good understanding.
Coaches can stay relevant much longer than players (~40 years vs. ~20 years). However, the number of jobs for coaches in the game is much lower than players (say 25 to 1). Clubs often want coaches that have already worked in a similar environment. As a consequence, there is always this "shadow army" of currently available coaches (you know, those names that pop up as soon as some manager gets fired) and I think it is tough to get into this pack of available coaches, since they are well connected with several clubs and established in the business. Furthermore, due to the long "lifetime" of a coach, this group is everything, but fluctuative or innovative, which makes it even harder to get a job. Since in the past these coaches had primarily been white, this group transforms slower compared to the player base. So the real questions, in my opinion, are:
1) How (actively?) exclusive is the shadow army of currently available managers?
2) Why were there predominantly white coaches in the past (now we have path dependancy)?
1) needs more data analysis and insight into the agencies that manage those coaches and I cannot provide that (video idea for you?).
For 2) I have an immediate explanation, but I'm unsure how valid this is: The assumptions for the carreer lifetime for coaches are the same for staff members, board members, everyone involved in the organisation of football club, but with one exception: They don't change the club. That means that the decision-makers in football clubs tend to have the highest job security and the longest lifetime (among those positions that fluctuate - players, coaches, managers, executives, board members) in the football business, allowing views from the past to stick around very long - just as the apperance based assessements of players and coaches. Now add to the equation that the most successful football clubs are located in Europe, where the majority of people belongs to the group of white people and consider that those clubs have a long history, rooted in times, where the majority of white people were even larger, you can explain the high share of white people that work in the most successful football clubs. Now it is narrowed down to the hiring process of new coaches. Again a comparison to the players market: Players are much more analysed than coaches. Just look at xvalue.ai, fbref and all the other statistics tools available. For coaches you can barely find the preferred system they utilize and that's basically it. With so little data to support such an important decision I assume that the decision-makers in a football club tend to overestimate their hiring skills, get exploited by the agencies of coaches and consequently more than reasonably often go with someone of that shadow army, which is statistically a white coach . That is what I would (now) identify as the main problem.
Another great video Alfie, I recommend a read of Ricky Hill’s book, it covers this subject, and reinforces the belief of racism, especially at owner level, a huge talent, making a living in the states and the Caribbean, unable to get a break in Europe.
I think this was a brilliant and important video. Still, I think you've missed one of the main reasons in this case. You talked in length about chairmen, pundits and fans having biases against black players, but you didn't mention the players playing for them at all. I think most chairmen actually consider this topic a lot more than this video is showing, but in the end they have the success of the club in mind, and if black managers who has not proved anything in the sport already (like Kompany and Vieira) cannot get the respect from the players, the team will suffer as a consequence, which make the decision to appoint unknown black managers harder. I think that due to racial bias among the players (especially, as you say, in the lower leagues) and the consequential lack of respect is a major reason for the lack of black managers in football.
On the other hand there are lots of successful black players. And sometimes players just "slip seamlessly" from playing into coaching. Actually Vincent Kompany is a good example.
good point. I'd have loved to heard more about this issue too
Ashley Williams can't even behave himself at a kids game so his opinion doesn't count in my eyes 🙄
Alfie. This same topic was looked at by Martin Samuel in the Daily Mail a couple of years ago and made several points you have missed. Firstly, you say no black players get straight into big jobs straight after playing. Then you put up pictures of Ruud Gullit (straight to Chelsea with no experience) and Vincent Kompany (straight to the biggest club in Belgium with no experience - where he won nothing in two years). You also point to the lack of opportunity for Sol Campbell & Ashley Cole, without touching on the fact they had reputations within football of being difficult people - something owners will take into account. While the point on Lampard may be fair, Gerrard won the Scottish League breaking a long Celtic stranglehold which got him the Villa job, very much the same as Tottenham & Leicester employing recent managers on the back of winning the Scottish League. The one stat that had no explanation was that 47% of players have non white backgrounds. This was not broken down into background as there are very few players of Asian background (certainly British Asian) while the country's make up is 4.2% black and 9.7% British Asian. Also 81% white. Why therefore are black people taking ten times the amount of positions in the playing side compared with their actual statistical makeup?
Back when this subject first reared its head, 10 or so years ago, people like Sol Campbell were complaining that black players never got a chance. It turned out that only two black players actually had their coaching badges, while 1000 white people had them but couldn't get manager jobs, many with years of experience behind them. There are only a small number of jobs to go round. You've got to start at the bottom, get experience and get your badges. Then compete with the thousands of other candidates. if they're any good they'll get chances.
This is a bit of a stretch
You might be part of the problem
English managers are in general mediocre and that makes black managers that much more mediocre at least in England.
But there are suprisingly few African national teams that have black coaches, is that because the federations prefer Europeans or just there not enough good African coaches.
It's also a little weird that France have that many black good black players and so few black managers.
And it is probably some clasism also.
Can you do a video next about the rivalry between Tony Bloom and Matthew Bentham. Brighton and Brentford.
As an American, this video is both so relatable to our more common sports, as well as so well done. Thank you for this excellent analysis.
Because it comes from america...
The importance of role models:
Black americans/europeans often dont grow up with black teachers/coaches/police/etc.
As a result, we become less likely to take these occupations as adults.
If people think this is a hard concept to understand because of the racial angle, they should look at the experience of Canadians in both the NBA and international football. 20 years ago, our top football players played on Championship teams or lower level Premier League teams at best and lower European leagues if that and Steve Nash was virtually the only star Canadian basketball player.
Fast forward to now, and kids have seen Jaamal Murray and Andrew Wiggins win chips in the past two years and Shai Gigerous-Alexander light up the NBA which inspires Canadians. Also you have Jonathan David and Alphonso Davies and a squad that qualified for the World Cup for the first time in almost 40 years. If you can see it, you can believe it, you can achieve it lol
There are no black europeans.
In europe there are only chinese. Nigerian, ghanaian, indian, somali, iranian etc
They dont identify with a colour but only tribal. And they dont need any role model of their own colour because they dont see themselves inferior.
@@gratefuldead3750 What are you trying to imply with that last sentence? Say it you wont you know you would get banned lol.
Quite a bit of this video reminded me of something similar in the MLB, in particular, Al Kompanis and his controversial statements while he was in the offices at the LA Dodgers.
Jon Gruden would've been one of the last people I would've ever expected to see a photo of on a HITC Sevens video.
Need a Ben Mendy video if one isn’t out already
Trust me, you don't, all you'll hear is that he's guilty based either on far-fetched assumptions or evidence that Alfie conciously decided not to share
@@oskarlisinski8807considering some of your other comments on this video, I'd have been surprised if you weren't here defending Mendy
@@ethandalton6480 I'm defending his right to be considered not guilty, idiots like Alfie are treating him like it is dead certain he r*ped those girls even though it hasn't been proven.
@@ethandalton6480 Mendy was cleared of all charges. If you have an issue with our legal system that's another thing but there is nothing wrong in defending a man, especially when he was found to be innocent.
@@sithvsjedi9696 he wasn't found innocent, he was found not guilty.
If a bloke is accused by 13 different women, and boasts in court that he slept with 10,000 women, he's not innocent.
Would it be possible if you made a video on why there are so few footballers with disabilities? By that, I mean that for most with a disability, they are usually shunned from playing professional football. And like sexuality, a lot of footballers hide their disability to pursue a career in football, which is just wrong. A lot of minorities have to hide who they are because a wider audience won't accept them. It's great that you highlight issues like these in your videos to a high level of detail, and hope you would consider a video idea like this in the future.
What kind of disablity tho?because amputee football exist and there even amputee fifa world cup
@@fadhil2831 There are a few different types to choose from. From Garrincha's unmatching legs to Tim Howard's Tourettes or a number of players with a missing arm (Jimmy Hasty is an especially interesting one).
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Depends on what those disabilities are because some of them will impact the quality of their game.
Excellent video
Alfie puts out another banger
There is a general lack of transparency in the appointment of coaches within the game. Especially when it seems like a manager can get sacked and another is appointed a few hours later.
In the 90's and 00's it felt like there was a specific old boys network you had to be part of to get a job at a PL club. How else would people like Alan Pardew, Iain Dowie, and Steve McClaren keep getting jobs? Also, pundits would (and still do) put their mates forwards as possible candidates whenever a job becomes available. This also applies to Assistant mangers and senior coaching level.
This may have shifted in the last decade but it is still seems like a narrow pool of coaches that clubs will pick from. Now coaches who have had success across Europe willing to join midtable PL teams (with Allardyce, Lampard and Gerrard still clinging on to the old ways).
Well said
Well done Alfie..... Spot on. I thought Phil Brown might get a mention too, absolute permatan that fella. In all seriousness though....this is an important message.
I'm sure Liam will excel, and I hope that's with the Tigers this season. HailHail, East Yorkshire Celtic fan.
it's not an important issue. The race of the person is irrelevant.
Great video
Don’t know if you talk about this but what are the stats around coaching generally; ie how many black people do their coaching badges, how many go on to work in coaching at any form cos it’s the whole ecosystem that needs to be addressed
Just listened. You do. Great video.
In Africa, you get national teams who hire European plumbers instead of trusting their own regional coaches
More teams should take a look at Senegal hiring Aliou Cisse
@@oskarlisinski8807 why should muslims hire european kuffars.
Ok sudan hired a kuffar from ghana
10 minutes into the video and the focus on management had gone and it was all about players in general. Questions to actually answer are simple, would you employ Guardiola or Terry Conner? How many white coaches compared to black are in the professional game and what are the percentage of those that actually apply for management positions and actually want to be managers. Your question is irrelevant, colour is only relevant when someone wants to make an unneccessary controversy. At the end of the day someone is employed on their ability more often than not, owners wouldn't be stupid enough to employ the worst person for the job in football, that would be suicidal. There is only one controversy and that is the racial subject being brought up time and time again rather then the fact it's just another person of many not getting a job, colour is irrelevant.
Who is guardiola?
Thanks for this one, Alfie. I recognise it's such a complex topic and I'm not well placed to comment - but I'm absolutely convinced that opportunity needs to come before any level of measurable success. White coaches clearly get more opportunity, and so it seems natural there are more white managers. This needs to change, and I hope it will!
Thanks also for your unwavering approach to your craft. Your voice is extremely valuable and necessary at a time when football fandom and society seems to be increasingly polarised and hard-line.
People should get jobs based on their skill and experience, not just be hired because of their nationality or skin colour
Yes they should. And if you were to conduct a study on whether or not this is actually the case today I think you may find some surprising results lol (see the Indianapolis Colt's hiring of Jeff Saturday last season as one example lol or the Montreal Canadiens recent hiring a few years back of Martin St. Louis when they were many other coaches, regardless of racial background or country of origin, who had much better resumes)
There is no issue, but you make 30 minutes video about it. Good job! I uderstand, you have to pay your bills.
Great vid
Great to see this layered take. It is so rare to see somebody from Black/Asian/Minority representing job in football on any level other than as players
This video will be… interesting 😂😂😂
Bit of a down play on Gerard's achievements with rangers manager to win the league for the first time in 10 years and against a Celtic team who had won the domestic treble 3 or 4 years on the run and got over 100 point think. And Pep had been managing Barcelona B for a year and it's not an uncommon thing for Barcelona to hire old players as manager
They hired a black manager off the back of relegation from Eredivisie in 2003, but that doesn't fit the narrative.
@@oskarlisinski8807 Stop being purposefully obtuse
Alfie wasn't saying that there aren't ANY black managers in the UK or Europe, he was talking about how few they were relative the number of black players and black people in general in the UK/Europe.
So Barcelona hiring a black manager doesn't take away from the point of the video or contradict the "narrative".
@@mike.n.n.7723 He was making up reasons for a pretty obvious observation.
@@oskarlisinski8807or every Thierry Henry, there's 12 lampards. Now, that's a good observation. Let's start there.