How Popular Was Hitler? - WW2 Documentary
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- In the summer of 1940, Hitler was at the peak of his popularity as he conquered Germany’s enemies seemingly at will. But just how quickly did this approval decline as the war turned further and further against Germany? What did the Germans think of him by the end of the war? Is there any love left for Hitler in postwar Germany? Today Spartacus answers these questions.
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Very good episode!! Thank you for your hard work and I wish all the best to all of you here at WW2!!
In my opinion, one of the best West German chancellors in the post war era was Willy Brandt. His policy of Ostpolitik did a lot to help ease tensions between the West and the Eastern Bloc, leading to period of relaxed tensions between East and West known as Detente. The highlight of this was the famous kneefall gesture he made at the Warsaw Ghetto Memorial in 1970, in which he kneeled in honour of the Jewish fighters of the Warsaw Ghetto. It's even more interesting that he pursued this, despite the fierce opposition of the Nixon and Kissinger administration, and their escalations in Vietnam. He should be remembered as a true agent for peace.
Just donated $10.00 to y'all. Wish I could give you more ! PLEASE follow this video up with the same for Japan regarding "Tojo & Showa". Such is much more nuanced regarding Showa (Hirohito) but, not Tojo or his Kwatung Army Ultra Nationalists. Who haunt Modern Day Japan much like American, British, & German White Nationalists do today.
Dieses Video war Ausgezeichnet Spartacus!
Why Germany didn't use V2s in the Eastern front, to attack the Red Army instead of British civilians? Would that partially make up for the lack of Germans planes in battlefield?
They had a saying at the end of the war, "enjoy the war, the peace will be terrible!"
"Be practical, give a coffin"- Popular german joke concerning christmas gifts for 1944
I'm very glad that the the WW2 team decided to continue the stories. Some of the best content on the internet.
Thank you, we all have plenty more we want to cover here on the WW2 channel! Stay tuned.
"My party is so popular that it's the only party on the ballot!"
Did the Nazi have elections?
~Kim Jong Un
@@pocketmarcy6990 And Saddam Hussein
A common phrase at the time was "Wenn DAS der Führer wüsste..." (If the Führer knew about THIS...) People would use this phrase when they ran into trouble with incompetent officials. It shows how people disconnected their image of Hitler from the reality of the party. The belief was that Hitler was benevolent and competent and would surely deal with these idiots if he only knew about them. Them still being around can only mean that he doesn't know what they're doing.
During the last stages of the war and afterwards, the phrase was used ironically. People sometimes jokingly use it today.
literally the same was happening in the USSR! "If only Comrade Stalin knew about this..."
Seems like it really is just how authoritarian regimes operate
And the Tsar before that. "If only Father Tsar knew" comes from Russian peasants under the tsarist regime.
Today it seems to be the sentiment in Russia as well. Seen a lot of videos where citizens call on Putin to do something about their stupid local official or officers im the army.
My neighbor growing up was drafted in 1944, sent to Europe in 1945, thankfully saw only limited combat during the drive into Germany, and then served as part of the American occupation force until 1947.
He always stressed the frequency of Germans claiming up and down that they never really supported Hitler. He claimed that if you took all of their word at face value, you could fit all of the supposedly actual Nazis in Darmstadt into a single small room given that everyone else denied ever supporting them.
Or, as he put it, "a load of bull."
It's not that surprising. Based on the Milgram obedience study ~65% of average people would kill someone if instructed to do so by an authority figure.
See my post about the 60 year old teacher
The Japanese despite their own collective forgetfulness on War Atrocities would still openly admit they MISGUIDEDLY TRUSTED Hideki Tojo and followed him into hell for doing such.
What did you expect them to say. 😂
@@nicholausbuthmann1421 why wouldn't they be misguided lol? thats before personal computers let alone internet
I found the diary entry of Lore Walb darkly humorous, though I can only imagine what he and many other germans had been thinking at that time.
But I imagine Walb sitting in his ruined city as enemy troops close in from every direction, as the economy disintegrates into nothinness, as millions of young men are fed into the meatgrinder of war to never return, and thinking to himself "I think I disagree with Hitler's foreign policy"
As for the love of Hitler: my mom was born on the day after the Stauffenberg plot. Readily my grandma gave her the middle name Adolfine - I think my mom was glad, that it did not become her first name.
Uff
His popularity only declined as his actions impacted them personally they couldnt care less about the millions killed in the holocaust or in the war in other countries.
Sounds like Ruzzia right now. When you hear the civilians in liberated Kursk speak they (generally) don’t even talk of, never mind condemn, the evils done to Ukraine, they just talk of freedom from their oppression…
Exactly! Stauffernberg and all the other supporters that turned on him only did so once Germany started losing the war.
@@kjyost Sounds like the US right now.
@@kjyost Ukraine has made a state religion out of the cult of mass murderers of Jews and Poles from the OUN-UPA during World War II. I don't feel sorry for them.
That’s every country and every people that has the opportunity to do so, idiot
I would love to see a similar video about post-war Japan. I seems that even today nobody there asks the same sort of questions.
A great book to read about this is "Hiroshima Diary" by Dr. Michihiko Hachiya. He experienced the Hiroshima bombing and described the confusion that happened after whatever that bomb was that fell on his city. The most surprising thing is that how people were shocked by the surrender because they *assumed* that there had to be a reward after their years of sacrifice during the war. The Japanese simply had no understanding of what it meant to "lose a war".
In the mid 1990's I was a soldier stationed in Franconia, Germany. I lived with my wife and her two kids in a converted apartment over an old carriage house, owned by a a farmer and his family near the river Main. The family was always friendly with me and helped me out by towing my broken down car off the street with their tractor until I could get money to fix it. Once they invited me into their house and up on the third floor of the house was a framed picture of Adolf Hitler. They were nervous when they saw I had seen it, but I just nodded and said nothing.
You should know though that I am a Jew, and that family never did know of that. I figured at the time that being outraged or saying something about it would not matter in the slightest and soon I was divorced and had to move back to the barracks anyway. So for those that say Nazism is dead, I say no, it just has morphed and gone underground. Its still there, ready to rise again should the circumstances in the world allow it to rise again in one form or another. As the years go by, and I see stupid people labeling others who don't agree with them as 'Nazis' I simply know that someday, the fight against Fascist people will have to be fought again. The next time against others who label themselves something else, but still espouse the same ideals of racism and totalitarian ideology.
Never forget!
At worst those people amount to about 15% of any population.
The unfortunate reality is those 15% can usually charm another 15%--and then with some positive circumstance can garner another 15%, that in a split vote is more than enough to snag power. Hell we know from German history, 37% was enough to swing the Nazi's into power, and then after slipping to 33% they started meddling in the voting process.
People can move the goal posts on Nazism and Fascism. But the simplest reality is individuals that subscribe to it are extreme populists, usually praying on nativist/xenophobic tendencies and often do everything in their power to accumulate power and avert all forms of democratization. It almost always culminates in "I am the only one that can fix it" and "if I didn't win the election, it was stolen."
This just means there is a wide swath of actions that can foment fears of Nazism and Fascism. The keys to it being, promoting xenophobia and casting doubt on free and fair elections. Something that is quite apparent in one party of American elections today.
I'm German (living for 26 years in Canada, though). But during my time in Germany, for the first 38 years so to say, I never saw or heard about something like that. I think that would be very rare. But I too mistrust the current peaceful atmosphere in Germany. Lots of what we nowadays see as Nazi- ideas had been circulating in Germany long before the days of the Nazi party and I agree that there is a certain potential for it to show up again. At least parts of the AFD is infected with that and so are parts of there voters!
I was an exchange student in the 1980's in California, the family who hosted me were Austrian immigrants after WWII, my limited English at the time, I remember they said Hitler was a good person.
We as humans are destined to make the same mistakes as our grandparents as the next generation forgets and does not read history.
Lots of German Families would have pictures of IRWIN ROMMEL which is something many Americans & British do as well and is more than acceptable but, yes your experience is a kick in the crotch. In my attempt to sound like My Hero DON RICKLES. RICKLES to his credit never held anything against Japan or The Japanese despite being a 20 MM Oerliken Anti-Aircraft Gunner aboard a Liberty Ship getting dived on constantly by Kamikaze's while supplying PT Boats.
After the war William Shirer spoke to many Germans and overheard their conversations in public places. He said in his "End of Berlin Diary" that Hitler was unpopular after the war simply because he lost the war, nothing else. He heard Germans complaining that if Hitler had listened to his generals then they surely would have defeated the Soviet Union and won the war. He did speak to people who had been against the war and they were also disappointed that there seemed to be no real regret about the war other than having lost it.
He is so popular that he is probably the guy with most parodies.....
He is in his bunker trying to find Berlin while Jodl objects to his plans while Fegelein pulls his antics
@@stranger299a He is still in his bunker
@@stranger299a And he's still upset at Steiner.
Mein Failure......Steiner.....Steiner wasn't able to find the PS5 at Reichmart.....Fegelein apparently bought all of them in advance....
Germany was my first duty station in 1991 as a newly-minted US Air Force officer. I had occasion to visit a German civilian cemetery (which was quite lovely). I noted small stone markers on several of the monuments for married couples. I asked my German friend Werner about these markers. He shook his head sadly and said, "This one says that the couple's 18 year-old son, "Fritz," died in Czechoslovakia in 1944."
My parents never talked to us about our family history. My dad was three when Winter War started. When war finally ended he was eight. Only thing told me once how he was with group of his friends crossing a bridge. Soviet fighter attacked and strafed them. Thankfully no one got hurt, but it left bad memory in my dad. My mom was born month after Winter War started and she can’t stand sirens or war movies. My greater family kept to themselves even though we had lots of aunts and uncles. Now they’re all passed away. Few photos that I have of my dad’s side my grandfather. I noticed my grandfather sporting silly butterfly, or toothbrush mustache. It was in style. Finnish people Hitler was well liked because he was fighting commie Russians. When my dad passed away. To my surprise and displeasure my dad had saved hitler picture and wartime far right Finnish propaganda magazines.
Finnish army and government sent hundreds of its best soldiers to Germany for training . They were part of SS. These men took part of operation Barbarossa. We were led to believe our soldiers were well behaved and didn’t take part of war crimes. All the ss veteran’s records were kept secret. Till 2018 one historian was able to get them after a court battle. Finnish SS took part all of the criminal activity as other German soldiers. - following orders.
The crazy train was pretty full for a while. Seats became gradually available as the years went by, until the Allies derailed the train entirely. Even as it lay on it's side, off the rails, there were still some that clung to their seats. Crazy at the core level is hard to get over.
When people believe in lies for so long, they accepted it as truth.
@@BHuang92 name the lie
the americans and the british betrayed europe
@@BHuang92 The danger is when they make that crazy their identity. If you question the crazy, you question THEM as a person. If you try to take it from them, you are stealing who they are, they have nothing else, so removing it will empty them. It has to be replaced, displaced slowly over time, but many will still cling to this core crazy they push away anything that might threaten it and deny reality so they may cling to it.
@@BHuang92 The worst lies are the ones you earnestly believe to be true.
"Well, I did not ask for Total War!" -Residents of Hamburg and other western German cities, as they cleaned up after the bombings of the previous night, 1944.
They are civilians
@@js1423 German civilians of that era cannot claim to be truly innocent. The “blitz” bombing of London beginning in 1940 was freely reported and even boasted about in the German press - there was no public outcry against it.
And yet they cheered when the Luftwaffe bombed Rotterdam and Coventry.
@@natekaufman1982 And?
@@js1423 I think they're trying to say that if a civilian population cheers for their military's attacks on other people's civilian centres, it has to expect/accept reversals and military attacks against their own civilian centres. "What's good for the goose is good for the gander" situation.
Although the killing of civilians and destruction of civilian infrastructures is inevitable in war, personally I still think that the deliberate targeting of civilians, even in the context of a total war, is reprehensible and never justified.
Never forget! Thank you all for your ongoing work
IN 1980, I was in the US Army Stationed in Bavaria. We shared a table with an older German couple. We were in Armor units; he was a tank commander on the Eastern Front. So, we had something to talk about.
Later, he told us that all the problems in Europe were due to the Juden. We just shook our heads and smiled.
Later, while walking the way back to the barracks, we had a deep discussion amongst ourselves that it was not THAT long ago. Added to that reality was the .50 cal. ammunition we used for training was made in 1943 and 1944. It had been sitting in storage all those years only to be used in late 1970's and early 1980's by 18 year old sons of the men who fought the war.
Its interesting that these days we have a far clearer picture of the failures of denazification and the lenient treatment of many Nazi officials and German soldiers, which likely fed into the general feeling that "If they were so bad, why weren't they punished for it" of the German populace. Speer was alive and well in 1980, having been free for 14 years and living large in London, his release having been supported by useful idiots like De Gaulle, despite having been directly responsible for the deaths of millions of slave workers.
Under such circumstances, is it so surprising that the average German family looked back on mass genocide with rose tinted spectacles?
My brother was stationed in Germany in the late 70s; he observed that the Germans could be divided into 3 groups based on age: the old, who had supported the war and resented the Americans; the middle-aged, who were afraid of the Russians and welcomed the Americans; and the young, who were afraid of nuclear annihilation and resented the Americans.
US Army intelligence investigators did in depth interviews of a substantial percentage of party members to determine how deeply committed the members were. The conclusion was there were several million Germans still committed to the party ideals and its deceased leader even after total defeat.
That is not a surprise for immediately after the war. We all have a world view (a way we frame the world, or what some call a "reality tunnel") defining good and bad, explaining how things work. Nazi propaganda was brilliant at establishing their particularly nasty frame -- and it does not disappear overnight. Might it might be possible to displace with something new. A more interesting and probably much more difficult study would be what they believed 10 years after, when they had a basis to believe something else.
The German people gave up their winter coats and suffered.
The irony is that those coats never made it to the troops in the field.
The Nazis said that the army had all the winter gear they needed.
So, everyone suffered except the Nazi elite who picked out the best coats for themselves.
That is how it work in all societies. The elite at the top live in luxury even if those at the bottom suffer
That is 100% not true. You just made that up, and you know it. The donated coats absolutely reached the troops on the Eastern front. This is easily proven in the logistical & supply manifests. There's also multiple diary entries from frontline soldiers expressing thanks for the winter clothes they just received. Besides, there was nothing an average citizen had that anyone in the Nazi elite coveted. They were all stinking rich from plundering the continent. They had the money and access to the finest things available. They didn't want the public's hand-me-downs
This answered a question I've had for a long time.
Thanks for the great work.
With total media control, its not hard to see how they could convince people. Especially in the early days of radio and cinema. Its bad enough now with all the untruths on the internet.
While that is helpful, the Germans really did take over France, the Benelux, Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg, and Poland in less than a year and had gained the support of Romania, Hungary, and Italy, and had previously taken over Czechia and Austria with Slovakia as a puppet state as well, and had begun to cozy up to the diplomacy of Finland, and Switzerland and Sweden were neutral. That seemed like a pretty good achievement to many Germans at the time, especially given what they had done in 1914-1918 and how they weren't even able to get to Paris. It is hardly a surprise that Hitler's domestic popularity soared then.
I think hitler popularity peak was before the defeat at Stalingrad, after this big defeat it went slowly downhill. It is easier to support leader who does not fight in your country.
Nope they are right, just before the Battle of Britain in 1940 was Hitlers peak, Britain hadn't even started bombing Germany yet, everyone seriously thought the war was over, by late 42 bombing of Germany was growing.
No, the Germans already realized that the war was not going smoothly when the Wehrmacht failed to defeat the Red Army in December 1941. Sparty was right - Hitler's popularity peaked after France surrendered.
He had the same popularity as a successful football manager.
It was quite obvious that the mood soured after the war started to be lost. You primarily talked about this largely, I suspect, to avoid having to deal with the more uncomfortable question of his popularity before that point.
From my own family history - the family of my grandfather were social democrats with the oldest son however being quite a fan of Hitler.
He said the mood was confused and worried when Poland was attacked, then quite well when Poland was defeated (most Germans certainly were against Poland) anf then great after France was defeated. However, the war declaration on Russia completely soured the mood and never recovered. It did however turn into defiance in late 44 hours hence Germany itself was threatened.
I'm here to watch before youtube decides it must be censored.
Thanks, Sparty. Perfect take.
Great account of this important aspect of the years after the war Spartacus!
Why do I keep hearing strains of the "I was not a nazi polka"?
Interesting episode!! Keep up the good work!! ❤
I think this was one of the best episodes you have ever done. Thank you!
My dad was a GI in Europe through VE Day. He didn't talk about it much, but I clearly remember him saying how every German he met said he hated Hitler. Don't believe it, he said, they loved him.
Yeah, I heard similar accounts , all the GIs I talked to all said the Germans claimed that to prevent getting mistreated. Didn’t stop the GIs from taking their treasures here and there, the populace knew well what was going on.
This is one the best episodes of the whole WW2 series. Great work Indy and Spartacus and the whole staff. Never forget … absolutely right.
Isn't that the typical journey of the followers of any false messiah? The former willing and enthusiastic acolyte now blame everything on the dead leader and exonerated themselves.
I'm 64 now, and in my youth I knew several people of German extraction, two whose parents were hitler youth.
One of the parents still thought the German position and actions in the 30's was acceptable.
The other was a wary participant in the German "machine" was a " important worker " during the war and never got caught up in the fighting.
The only other had made it as an elite pilot and managed to escape to Switzerland late in the war.
Not a Nazi, I think.
Once again, excellent content, thanks Sparty.
The bombings are the big difference from the First World War. During the Second World War, everyone in the civilian population saw how the war was going because they were right in the middle of it. And at the latest when a British or American tank drove through the village, everyone knew that the war was over. The First World War, on the other hand, was far, far away and you never noticed anything
BS. The British starvation blocade affected millions of ordinary Germans continuing into 1919.
@@browngreen933 That's not a bullshit at all, German cities were completely unharmed during World War I (with the exception of a few cities in East Prussia). Hunger was a major problem for every country in Europe (of course, it was worse for the Germans than the British), but the Germans were not alone.
My friends dad whom was a radio operator in the Luftwaffe during the war years younger brother was murdered by the SD for refusing to fight in the last days of the Reich.
Another banger. Thanks Sparty and Time Ghost. Appreciate the insightful and informative content.
Have you ever heard of the book "They Thought They Were Free" by Milton Mayer? He was an American Jew who , after the war did a stint as a visiting professor at Frankfurt University. The book is about 10 different German men that he interviewed extensively after the war. In the interviews he didn't disclose to them that he was Jewish. Basically, the title says it all -- they had fond memories of the Nazi era, didn't see Hitler as evil, and perceived themselves to have had a high degree of personal freedom during Nazi rule. On the Holocaust, none thought that the mass murder of Jews was right, but to varying degrees were in denial that it had happened. Some denied that it had happened at all, and others, perhaps thinking of the German soldier as being inherently disciplined and noble, could not accept that they would mass murder innocent people... that those that had been killed must have been doing things that warranted being killed.
Thank you, I will be reading this
If they felt like they were free have you ever considered that they actually were?
Masterfully done, Sparty. I especially like how you touched on the present day at the end.
Never Forget. Truer words have never been spoken.
Maybe "The war against humanity" should continue into the Cold War before and beyond Korea. It's the best and especially innovative of the series.
A great and required reading on this is They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer...
Thank you. Never Forget!
The German Word "Lebenslüge" comes to mind when watching this Episode. Similarities can be drawn to the "Lost Cause" in former confederate states after the end of the american civilwar. I would also point out the Austrian position as self declared "first victim" of Nazi Germany because of the Anschluss. A classical myth, used to change a general view on history.
Anyway, great Job Spartacus,
I hope for a similar Episode with focus on the Showa Tenno (Hirohito) and Japan.
Thank you for your comment and interesting comparisons.
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Always wondered what the ordinary Germans were thinking during all of this especially at the mid war point of 1942. Great stuff Sparty!
All of a sudden, there were no nazis.... lol
Thank you for the lesson.
You remind me of my first competent history teacher, who had very harsh and measured words for the few assholes who thought it was a joke
To get into power they only needed to convince the people the alternative of a left leaning government was worse, once there that dissent is pointless, dangerous and ineffective so the majority keep heads down hoping not to be noticed. Their example should always be remembered whenever anyone tries to persuade the public that some minority or other is the cause of their problems and not a convenient distraction.
We have a lot of that here in Brazil by bot sides!
The methods are very similar only the phrase different or dont with the Jews since they are already the evil greedy capitalist stereotype. Also noticeable IS that the Nazis only Had that much Power the longer the war went ON before the Wehrmacht could have overthrown the Nazis but they were handsomely bribes by Hitler
Also never forget..
Hey, it's that Mr. Hilter who lost North Minehead elections by a small margin! Word is he didn't have much fun in Stalingrad also.
YES.. Yes yes yes... so many people need to hear the last 2 minutes of this episode.
Congrats on 1 million subs. Since I saw the last video. It was less than that.
Victor Klemperer did not write about "love," but about "belief." Even at the end of the war, when many were disillusioned, there was still a fanatical core who believed in "Him."
anxiously waiting
What I've always wanted to know is this....
Was Hitler aware of his crashing popularity? Did he know his subjects had turned on him?
Thanks!
Thank you for the superchat!
So glad to hear you name drop Stargardt!
Gerb was half right about one thing. "There will only be the living & the dead"...
There are many many around the world who still dearly loved and still idolized Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.
"Adolf who?"
"Hitler? I never met 'er!"
et cetera.
Fascinating Insights!!!!!
Thank you for this very interesting video and for your very just/wise words in conclusion ❤
Once again a well delivered program. I absolutely agree, we DO owe it to the world to... never forget!
Sparty always gets to the core.
Great video. My only real amusement is how TH-cam puts in an explanation from Wikipedia at the bottom which they feel is more acurate I guess. It's like saying the US history channel was better. Neither are good source material. The former might give a basic understanding or be bogus.
Why are you not making more very long yearly episodes? You made 1939/1940 and then 1940/1941 and then you stopped. I think you could do every year until the end.
Another spiffy suit there Spartacus! ❤
Holy what an amazing Video!
How incredible insightfull of a facette of this terrible war thats is usually left unexplored.
It saddens me to find out that in the end many nazies lived their life fully and without facing justice for all the pain they brought upon this world.
Never forget!
Seemed pretty popular when when the Germans were winning the war.... and afterwards... No, No, No, I was just doing my job.
There IS more to IT of course you are the Most popular Dude when you improsing and assaniate every single one WHO disagree
Yes, please keep posting on this channel sometimes.
Out of curiosity I have just looked back at Episode 1 of War Against Humanity and I see Sparty looking so much younger.
Without doubt the horrors that he has had to study and bring to our attention with the cry 'Never Again!' has aged him in ways beyond the mere passage of time.
Sir, I am humbled by the sacrifice you have made on behalf of all those victims of this war's terror, who had to face and succumb or endure horrors perpetrated by fellow humans. Victims who's only fault was to be different.
Were it in my gift I would award you and your Timeghost team members the Nobel Peace Prize, for you have laboured far beyond the efforts of The League of Nations, The United Nations and The International Red Cross and done more to try and secure a future of peace.
As it is, the biggest honour that I can bestow is my promise that I Will Never Forget!
COVID-19 ages a man.
The complicity of the German people, their support for Nazism from the early 1930s on, and their total lack of self-reflection or willingness to admit their role in the war and its atrocities, are starkly and effectively illustrated in the book "Stones From the River." If there's one book I've read that so effectively conveys the lives and attitudes of Germans in the interwar and war years, it's this one.
explains why Soviets claim they did not ask for bombing of Dresden
I really enjoyed this episode. It's interesting how we humans can refer to star-struck adulation as a form of love.
A book which is perfect for the Collapse of Germany is : The End: Germany, 1944-45
By Ian Kershaw
Aftermath by Harald Jahner covers the years between 1945 and 1955. It's excellent.
you really bring the german pronounciation across very accuratley
Sparty is a great orator.
I have a follow up question in regards to this I know that the timeghost team won’t answer but maybe the people here can. Spartacus mentioned a popularity and enthusiasm for the regime at the height of its power. In 1941. My question is did Germans feel emboldened by the fact that they had allies such as Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria, Japan etc
I remember, If i'm not wrong, Hitler saying something about Japan like "finaly we have a people who never Lost one War as allies!" or something like that. Sorry If i butchered It, i'm not a Native english speaker.
Hitler and most Germans felt that the Italians and Japanese were great allies. They thought the Hungarians were decent allies based upon the performance of Hungarian units in WW1, which had done well in the Austro-Hungarian Army from 1914-1918. They also viewed the Romanians as decent until the fall of Stalingrad which the Germans blamed on the Romanians because they thought the Romanians didn't properly cover their flanks despite Romanian requests for more armor and anti-armor assets in their area of control. They viewed the Bulgarians as junk allies largely because Bulgarian units in WW1 had been poor performing units. It wasn't until after 1942 that the Germans viewed the Italians as second rate allies. Even then though, many of the RSI (Italian Puppet Government in North Italy) units won grudgingly-given German respect in 1943-1945. There's a lot more on all of this in the Between Two Wars and early WW2 episodes. I do hope this helps answer your questions though.
German state propaganda sold it as a success and confirmation of being righteous with anti bolshevik crusade.
I would asume that it was important for the propaganda to have some allies in the war but on the other hand these were not the most valuable allies either... so im really curious about your question as well.
No. The Japanese were most respected but also on the other side of the world. Jokes about the Italians were rife at street level, even though in official propaganda they were treated respectfully until Mussolini's overthrow, and the Romanians and Hungarians were not considered to be much better. The Third Reich was xenophobic - basically non-Germans were suspect. Even formal allies.
Without referring to any comments here in particular we should be very careful about analogizing any 2024 or subsequent politics to that of the 1930s and 1940s. Despite any superficial similarities across the political spectrum the facts on the ground and the concerns and political issues people face are very different now from then and will continue to evolve. We shouldn't forget the Nazi holocaust for obvious reasons but in this century the political players will be pushing different agendas from those pushed by political factions in the 1930s and 1940s. And the political issues will have to be judged by their particular present day facts, not by analogies to Hitler or Stalin. Even over on the Korean War channel we will see that despite sharing some things in common the U.S. in 1950 was not the ROK and even the KPA in 1950 differed from the PLA in some important respects. Never forget the past but never take analogies to the past too far.
Absolutely. AND when political parties build a cult of personality while advocating for the “leader”-prinzip (that the leader is above the law), it is entirely proper to point out how this rhymes with behaviors of Eldar Days.
I agree with you. This is why the constant Holodomorizing of post-2004 Ukraine (2004, not 2014) by the MSM does not make sense.
The desire of some Ukrainians after 2004 to align with the West was mainly for economic reasons, not veneration of Stepan Bandera. Stalin was Georgian, not ethnic Russian. Khrushchev from Donbas was the effective leader of Ukraine, not just controlling 1-2 provinces.
I could go on with more false comparisons. Since 24 Feb 2022, unfortunately the MSM had put aside basic facts in favor of emotional propaganda.
I still want a video about the persecutions of the Jews post-WWII... Please!!!
79 years later I can proudly say that I hate him and his regime.
Correct about the attitude of Germans in the western areas being relieved at being occupied by the Anglo-Amaerican forces. I once met a former German soldier who surrendered immediately on D-Day when it was quite obvious that, once the D-Day landings had been successful, that would be the end of Hitler.
General von Rundstedt, in response to a request from Field Marshall Keitel about what to do after (yet another) failed panzer attack on the British forces, replied: "Make peace, you fools, what else!".
The choice of having to surrender either to the Western Allies or to the Soviets led to Germans on the West to cooperate with the Western Allies once the Western Allies took over the area.
This contrasted strongly with the aftermath of the Armistice and Versailles.
The revisionists could moan as much as they like but the politically incorrect reality was that if not for the alliance with the Soviets, the Anglo-Americans would have to deal with a much less cooperative Germany in the long run.
The idea that the Western Allies could somehow work things out with Germany and Japan without some support from Russia and China was wishful post Cold War revisionist thinking.
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Question has the ties been auctioned off yet? I haven't seen them yet personally
Have you done anything on Operation Paperclip?
They have, at least a couple of episodes if memory serves
Yes, quite recently under the Spies and Ties series.
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I am mighty skeptical of ANY collective guilt or culpapility to such a regime.
The terror alone would have shook msot familiaes to obediance and perhaps because of the prussian model of education even stockholm syndrome levels of "love".
"Never forget" thank you!
Hey guys,
Have you covered how modernism as a philosophical movement affected the sort of delusional ideas of nazism and fascism as a whole? I know that you and others touched on futurism in the episode about Fiume and its proto-fascist residents. What I mean is in short; how the ideas of a "new man" were to be reborn from the old and stodgy, conservative Europe? As it allowed for the awful measures of eugenics in Europe and North America while on the flip side; contributing to breaking down old societal class barriers. Similarly to how the French revolution brought with it a lot of good ideals about human rights, but at the same time creating the idea of a citizen whom belongs to a nation of Frenchmen were standard French is the only dialect allowed. I would argue that the ideas of nationality later contributed further to the genocidal policies following the Young Turk revolution.
That retrospective analysis can conclude that 60-80% of the Germans did not disapprove leaves out that tiny tidbit of did Germans know what could happen to them if they did disapprove? I think there is always a great amount of tension as on one hand the tiny uber-mustache did represent the German people as their leader. If they did not want him, they could dispose of him. Think the French revolution, but also the Dutch-Spanish 80 years war and the American war of independence. Rising up against leadership brings a great deal of individual risk and it's in the area of danger to the individual that dictators create their support. Emotions and opinions are always fleeting.
The Nazi “police state” is pretty much a myth. The roughshod terror of the Gestapo was mostly reserved for the duped territories, undesirables, and political activists on “the other side.” The average German was hardly ever confronted when any threat, not until the last few months of the war, when as I said, the Nazis _did_ turn on their own. More here: The Myth of the Nazi Police State - WW2 Documentary Special
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Do you have any source, that 60 to 80 % of the population supported the Nazis? I mean, in the elections for the Reichstag in March 1933 the NSDAP had the most votes but still did't manage to get the majority of the votes. They had 'only' 43%. In the following elections, there was no other option than voting for NSDAP. I'm not trying to say that only few people actually supported the Nazis, especially as 43% is still far more than just a few people and not voting for them doesn't necessarily mean, that you disagreed with everything they did. But I'm curious what these numbers of 60 to 80% are based on.
Also, "every German knew". I doubt it very much! My grandparents had no idea whatsoever!
@turrican4d599 I'm German too. I don't know your grandparents and where and how they lived etc. But I think it's totally impossible that many people didn't know at some point what was going on. Jews were arrested and disappeared, businesses of jews were suddenly in the hand of non Jewish people, laws to discriminate jews were put in place, etc. So this part was pretty obvious. When it comes to concentration camps: A lot of people must have been involved in erecting and running the concentration camps, transporting people to the concentration camps, etc. It's impossible to pull all of this off without rumors being spread. So I'm sure most people knew, but some probably didn't want to know. If everyone knew all the details about what the Nazis were up to before they came to power, is another question.
@@turrican4d599there’s been quite a lot of research on this topic. The first and easiest source are the interviews done with millions of Germans during denazification. This showed that 50-55% were supportive of the Nazis during the better part of their reign. Another 10-15% were not specifically supportive, but also did not disapprove. Then there’s the SS security reports from 1933 to 1945. while they don’t provide detailed figures, they provide an enormous amount of detail about popular sentiment. With satisfaction they repeatedly conclude that dissent is in the minority. Most any research into the issue has confirmed these numbers from the time, with some indication that both support and lack of dissent could have been higher adding up to 80%.
As for knowing about the atrocities - just take the simple fact that the German resistance published massive amounts of flyers detailing what was going on - that’s what the Scholl siblings were executed for. Then we have soldier correspondence from the occupied territories, even letters by men in the Einsatzgruppen telling in vivid detail what was going on. Finally, again we have millions of interviews carried out after the war. The “we had no idea” myth only really becomes the narrative after denazification is abandoned. I wouldn’t even call it lies per se - how do you live with accepting that you knew and did nothing? Most of us don’t, so you create a different memory. Anecdotally I’ll quote my late father in law, an officer in the non-combat engineer corps of the Wehrmacht who served on the Eastern Front; “I knew, we all knew, I said nothing, I turned away… I’ll never forgive myself.”
@@turrican4d599 How could they not know Hitler was persecuting jews and other "undesirables"? The racial laws he implemented were informed to the public by the Nazis themselves. And once those "undesirables" started to be taken away, connecting the dots was easier than 1+1=2.
Maybe your granparents knew, but simply won't admit it to the knew generations. That isn't exactly unheard of.
Oh and I forgot, the SS reports also conclude that despite the attempts at secrecy, the genocides become public knowledge very quickly. Again, with satisfaction, they conclude that it does not lead to public outrage or increasing dissent in any meaningful numbers.
Financial cost of war by nation ?
The German economy went from using reichmarks to cigarettes.
Or to bombs Like even today WE find many many bombs from WW2
Due to their unstable politics, ideology, and economy, I doubt that the Nazies could have run a peacetime regime after the Fall of France, but one wonders what their popularity and historical legacy would have been could they have negotiated some peace in 1940 (perhaps abandoning conquests in the west).
You could probably say the same of Napoleon. Could he have made it work if he didn't blunder into Spain and Russia. His regime had better fundamentals too, if some of the same problems (it required looting to operate).
As far as Nazi popularity in 1932/33/34, I think it was reasonably high for a multi party system. Anyone that won 30-40% would be considered pretty good by parliamentary standards.
My most shocking statistic is that most Germans in the late 1940s thought the the Nazies were bad but that national socialism was a "good idea badly implemented". Kind of like how leftists talk of communism today.
Soviets "liberated"
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Popular? This episode on your channel shows his popularity continues into the 21st century.
The more I hear about him, the more I think he was dopey. It’d be like if Pete Best went Gangster Metal and since Brian kicked him out he got the Hell’s to round up people into camps