The Mysterious Massacre at Pleasance, Re-Visited - Red Dead Redemption 2
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- In today's video we re-visit & investigate the mystery of Pleasance.
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4:13 “killing an entire town requires more than one person”
Tell Arthur with a repeater that
Yup. When Arthur broke Micha out of jail they killed everyone in Strawberry.
@@Steely_Fran I would say "well that was 2" but Micah isn't a person, he's a rat
Tell that to my Arthur with a repeater shotgun
Tell my Arthur that, while spawning two different kinds of Gatling Guns in Valentine.
Or a revolver. Personally, I far prefer to shoot someone 6 times rather than once before reloading
"Killing an entire town, which appears to have been accomplished here, would require more than one person."
Unless you're the protagonist of the game, of course.
RDR3, Pleasance is the very beginning and ends with Blackwater
Roland Deschain has entered the chat
@@LainVics Now that would be a great setting for an Old West game!
@@antoniojm1873 Ikr, having a game where either you play as another gunslinger before the fall or as Roland in-between the fall and the first book would be lit
@@LainVics Yeah maybe you're playing the period of time right up to the battle of Jericho Hill. That'd be fken tight.
I love how open ended this little town is. Like in real life, not everything has a clear answer and gets lost to time.
Well yeah but that doesn’t usually happen just within 6 years
@@soruvfrancis6210 1883 and 1899 is not 6 years bro
@@harryman5618 oh my bad 💀
@@soruvfrancis6210 nw bro 💀
My theory is that Pleasance was a religious community separate from the local area aside from buying and selling with outsiders. They get hit with some sort of illness. People crowd around religion in bad times so anyone healthy goes to church as much as possible. Desperate for explanation and safety, religious leaders convince everyone over time that those who are ill are somehow impure and need to be dealt with. It works to a fervor on one particular day and everyone goes home and murders their own sick kin in one big bloody night. The dead where loved in spite of what happened and where thus buried with Christian kindness by their families. Remaining people scatter or move elsewhere as a group to avoid arrests or questions.
Oooh that's a great theory
You’re a fool if you believe this
Agreed 👍
I like dis. Yes, good.
The only problem with this is if they were the ones who killed and buried them I doubt they would put the cause of death on the headstone. They’d just say passed due to illness or something along those lines. Not horrible violent causes of death
If Pleasance was a similar deal to Limpany, since it took place 16 years prior, it’s possible that it was done before Cornwall had enough resources and experience to be more thorough. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cornwall had used moonshine or oil to set Pleasance on fire then left the containers there because nobody was going to go after him. I don’t think he would be the only culprit, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he passed through there because he was considering laying track through the town, but later decided to change course.
As for the lack of crosses on the church, with abandoned old churches, sometimes you’ll find them missing because people like taking them as souvenirs. Crosses at the top of churches tend to be the biggest targets. That was a popular thing to do in my area (along with taking headstones) back in the 1940s-1960s.
Yeah, my personal theory is that the town was stricken with plague, then attacked by a mob. The associations with Satanism are a bit too strong to shrug off IMO, but it doesn't ultimately matter whether they actually were doing anything or not. I think everyone thought they were, since they were a very small, new town, and saw the plague as a sign from god proving their suspicions. This, along with the general negative sentiment to outsiders in lemoyne, ultimately led a mob to destroy the town. Whether the mob was townspeople, the Raiders, or some other group, it doesn't really matter.
But, I think the Cornwall had some small hand in it, whether by providing fuel for the fires, posting the law to look the other way, or stirring up the people, he probably was involved. But it doesn't seem like he would ultimately care enough to make his goons dig graves or cover it up that well. But, I bet that if a mob had done it, they would be more likely to bury the children and a few victims, since this would have been a subwoofer religious mob.
We all know that Cornwall pays others to do his dirty work for him.
yeah and he couldve put the plague thing and buried them to cover his tracks
Wdym by “16 years prior”?
I don't think Cornwall's oil drums are strong evidence of his guilt. There were probably only oil drums from his company in the area because he had long had a monopoly.
I always had a bit of a theory that the Pleasance "plague" may have caused the Nite Folk.
That makes a lot of sense 🤔
Go on…
That's what I was thinking it was either that or the giant snake or maybe both 🤷♂️
"nite folk" lol
@@fandral92 its called the nite folk, not night folk, several times in-game
8:59 that absolutely scared me 😆
Love how you didn't miss a beat
I got a more than justified jumpscare there holy shit 🤣
I jumped to that part and nearly shat my pants
It’s 4 am and I didn’t expect to jump like that
He sounds like he is still reading a script there. Like he set that upxD
I’m just doing Radom stuff in rdr2 and I saw that lol
I love that you still do the Red Dead videos, They are very well done
Ubisoft stole his job as an Assassin's Creed TH-camr with their latest entries into the franchise. So he became a Red Dead Redemption 2 TH-camr
Facts I’m glad I found this video
It’s such an amazing game
No shortage of ideas in rdr2
Yeah I just played for the first time maybe 2 weeks ago, so it's cool to see recent videos.
I always theorized the people stricken with the plague were zombies, and the reason they all died on the same day was because they were “put down” by remaining members of the community. Then buried and remembered as the people they were, not the sinnin’ zombies they died as
I still believe this would've been undead nightmare related. it's open ended enough were I could easily see it being a main location or even the origin of a zombie virus or something
I think it was a town for now free black slaves but that gang that still thinks the civil war is going on killed them, that’s honestly what I thought, would explain why everything shows “sin” and “plague” because that’s what the times thought abt black people during the civil war
I always thought it was just content for UN as well. We'll probably never get to know
It clearly is a UN nod. The barn thing was for new players to instantly associate it with zombies via the walking dead. The church is a reference to all the spawn locations in UN. The stabbing and shooting deaths are references to how they died after they turned. The snake is literally just a Legendary animal kind of near by that they couldnt work out, and threw the model near the spawn location. The snake isnt even in Pleasence, its in the woods near Pleasence, its as far away as the pig farm.. The sin stuff is a reference to how Holy Water literally semi cured the zombies in UN. Come on people. This is clear.@@user-zl6ey8zz9o
@@user-zl6ey8zz9o yeah, can't you hear zombie moans if you go up to it?
I love that you drew several connections to Cornwall, as I do not hear people reference this enough. The game is littered with details at many places that point back to him. If there was an opportunity to gain, sabotage his competition, or cover up his environmental/humanitarian crimes, he 100% would do it.
I wish I could replay this game again without knowing anything. I remember the first time I played this game and came across Pleasance, I was genuinely terrified. I was going to Lagras to get an alligator skin for one of the camp upgrades. It was night time and the GPS route took me through Pleasance. I remember just going slowly on my horse through the abandoned town and expecting something to jump scare me but nothing happened. It took me a long time before I felt brave enough to even explore the buildings.
Thank you Fizhy for keeping the RDR community and content alive and well especially in the midst of its current state being constantly bombarded with washed out low effort content. Your passion for this game reaching 4 years old is awesome, and does justice to a game that deserves well more than the half assedness of others that dilute the true tour de force of storytelling depth and mysticism of the series. You and the Strange Man, great channels that's kept me going for 1200 hours of RDR2 story mode alone from when I first started to the present. Prior to RDR2 I wasn't even a gamer. So cheers mate 'av a good one 🍻
I found a random grave yard a little bit north of there when I was setting up camp. Suddenly Arthur is by the camp fire, and it is rainy and dark. Then I see there are gravestones everywhere. Freaked me out.
This happened to me when I camped in the swamps outside Saint Denis. Only the graves were Lennys and Hosea’s. Bugged me out.
Why would you camp in the marshes?! That’s like the most crazy place to camp at!
@@jaden36001 Safe as houses!
@inobi30 I never even knew that you could visit their graves... I mean everything happened so fast I would've never thought anyone from the gang had time or the means to bury them. Gonna have to visit them in my current playthrough.
@craigsovilla6578 if you pay attention to the cutscenes in chapter 6, Tilly mentions that she snuck into Saint Denis to steal the bodies. All the bodies of all the gang that die have grave sites you can visit in game.
I bought this game on release date. Played a week or so and set it aside (as I do with many games) knowing one day I would come back and dive in. I did a few months ago and I’m so hooked. Where can I see my game hours in the menu? I now believe this is the greatest single player story of all time and rockstar should be ashamed for how they’ve handled the additional content.
I don't think you can see your game hours in game.
I think only things like steam on pc shows the hours
You can go to the rockstar website and sign in and see your current runs hours
I got 3,000 hours on mine
Late to the party but I'd rather people experience it late than not at all. Anyone who decided to never pick it up or played 29 minutes to never come back have missed out.
Helltown is a crazy theory that I’ve never heard, and the snake thing def feels a little too obscure for that NOT to be true, but i liked to believe that it was a nod to Undead Nightmare- and all the buried “people” actually went all zombie mode and it was the people of pleasance who were forced to kill them.
Perhaps the most admirable part of your videos is the fact that you admit when you've been biased or didn't do enough research in your own opinion. The fact you can do that, and then put out revisited videos, I'm living for it. I've always loved your videos and I look forward to every single future RDR2 lore video.
Not everything is going to be perfect, gotta be honest about that because even if you don't want to admit it, it's obvious.
Red dead is a timeless classic with endless things to find
i like to think that those graves occupy those who were killed by other members of Pleasance due to illness; since some of them are kids, it could be seen as trying to spare them from sickness, while adults were boarded up in the church and the house.
I agree with the idea Plesence had the misfortune of an outbreak of some kind which drew the attention of Cornwall who used it to cover up a massacre
Fizhy and StrangeMan, my two favorite channels for deep RDR2 dives.
An ohioan here, i actually visited Helltown quite a few times and spent a lot of time around Boston. My grandpa always told me about the ghost bus and called it the "ghoul bus." Love hearing about one of my favorite spooky roaming grounds from one of my favorite youtubers.
9:00 "however there's a giant snak... Ahh fu..."
Really took me off guard lol
That random animal attack made me drop my phone 🤣 Another entertaining video, thank you.
Could you do some videos about the backstory and major events of the towns in rdr2? Also, about Lagras and why the inhabitants live there even though they show such fear of the night folk as well as the crocodiles. Also, I think the backstory of Colter would be pretty interesting
Theory: what if the "plague" was rabies? The town has a potluck for some reason.... first birth in the town, wedding, birthday, whatever. And someone accidentally brought a tainted dish that the majority of the town ate. The rabies would sweep through like a plague and because at that time it wasn't treatable the townspeople that *didn't* get sick had to mercy kill those that did in self-defense. That would help explain why some were shot and others stabbed. The house with the "unclean sinners" and "ill with sin" signs could have been the ones that brought the dish and the barn was where they were stashing the infected until they could be dealt with or just left to die however.
but that’s not how rabies spreads 😅
Maybe they enjoyed really really fresh deer toungues? Anyway yeah not how rabies spreads and even if it was humans typically get "dumb" rabies not violent rabies, which doesn't actually make you violent it-
You know what never mind.
what a fun unique twist on how getting rabies works
I think something to keep in mind is that multiple theories can be true at the same time. For example, Pleasance could be modelled after Helltown aesthetic-wise, and be the story a plague wiping out a small town lore-wise.
Personally, I think that's the case here, and I think the multiple deaths on one day are the result of people driven mad by grief and fear killing their loved ones out of desperation.
I literally starting watching your rdr2 videos again yesterday and been falling down the rabbit hole of watching a lot of them. So this is actually a suprise to see just now
It's great you are revisiting RDR2. I actually am replying story mode for the first time in over a year so these are really good to refresh myself with this huge world.
So the barn having the words "Stay out, Plague" on it is most definetly a reference to TWD. Mostly for two reasons. The first being that in hte very first episode, when Rick wakes up from his coma, he see's a door in the hospital that says "Stay out, dead inside." The second, and probably the more well known one, is that in the second season. A character named Herschel doesn't think that the zombies are truly dead. He at first thinks they are curable and simply sick, like with a plague. He and his farmhands find zombies, or walkers, and throw them in the barn and try to find a cure for the zombies. Of course, the group finds out about the barn and kills all the zombies, though it is a cool reference.
I had this theory since I started playing! Glad I’m
Not the only one thinking about the TWD reference. 🫶🏽
Don't dead, open inside
I love that you keep revisiting things, keep up the fantastic work your videos have brought me back to red dead several times
Another amazing video 👍
I love that you've started doing Red Dead material right as I'm replaying RDR2.
These videos are really well done. I honestly enjoy retreading old locations with new info we may have now especially since red dead is going through a dry spell content wise
Please keep making red dead lore videos I’ve watched all of em a few times now! Top shelf content my dude appreciate it
Like always good job can't imagine how long it takes to do research and get info on things. Ready for the next one
I'm so glad you referenced the strange man in this video his video on this topic was so good and I couldn't wait to see if you were going to touch on his theory... both of your channels are great
One mystery I always found quite odd was what happened to the wapiti tribe. And the relationship between Molly and Dutch. It's obvious she loved him but Dutch wasn't interested. I wanna know what was her driving force into telling on him and why she did it
She didn't tell on him
She didn't snich she was drunk and upset so she said that to annoy him mad not knowing the consequences
And the wapiti tribe wre pushed out of America into Canada like all native tribes
@@harris510. no they met her a few times
She lied while drunk in the heat of the moment to try and get some sort of reaction out of Dutch, but didn't consider how people would react.
9:00 I love it when as soon as you say that a panther just attacks you lol
Thank you for the red dead content; I’m super late to the party because I only started playing a few months ago and it’s cool that people still talk about it
Fantastic and enjoyable content as always mate!
Please never stop the red dead videos you’re the man Fizhy!
Thank you for re visiting this one Fizhy! As my comment when I said strange man did a full version I wasn't trying to say your channel was a bad one! A few years back.
I think the Cornwall kerosene and tar barrels weren't left out of laziness or a lack of belief people would come after him for his crimes- I think they were left as calling cards, I think he is absolutely undeterred by the thought of people coming after him for vengeance. I think he's proud and wants people to know how ruthless he is (as shown by the very public shootout against the gang in the story of the game)
Really enjoying these revisit rdr2 videos! Brings me back to when I first found your channel and binged all your rdr2 videos
@@Fizhy moar rdr2 >:)
I remember watching the original video and I'll tell you this one makes me excited for the possibility of a whole revisited series
Please keep revisiting old subjects!
I'll do so if the topic's previous coverage permits, from my angle - if I think I handled it well the first time I'd rather not confuse that, however if some aren't as good as I wanted them to be they'll be on the list.
years old game yet still so many easter eggs thanks for covering this again
gta v was released on september 17th 2013, the graves are all marked with sept 17th 1883. coincidence?
I think not
Considering that the Strange Man (in game Strange Man) basically lives almost on the other side of the swampy lake. And the the word plague is written, SM has over looked the town and made a judgement of some sort. Think about it, which town is in RDR2 plagued and connected to SM, yes Armadillo.
I think that Strange Man had offered some of the same offerings he offers to Herbert Moon, to the a family of Pleasance. But they refused the offer and got the plague, further more after the family’s plague death, the people started to targeting the strange man, who then made his accountants, and suddenly horsemen of apocalypse arrives, murdering the rest of the townsmen.
I really hope you continue to make red dead videos, they are part of the reason I love your channel and subbed in the first place.
Great video. Loving these mysteries revisited.
I feel like the writing on the building might have a been a callback by Rockstar to Blackwater in Undead Nightmare with building being boarded up with hate filled or hopeless messages on the walls.
This man just always delivers!
Another great video . I always come back for your RdR videos. They are the best .
Great job on this video! I truly appreciate all your hard work that went into it.
4:11 *Arthur controlled by a player who's doing an evil playthrough laughs maniacally*
I’m here for these red dead videos. I kinda don’t want them to end even though I know they have to.
Thank you so much for covering this 😭👌🏼
I love that fizhy is revisiting these video topics about a game that’s nearly (red) dead
What if it were skinner brothers?
In RDO you can encounter some of them in Pleasance.
And it’s mentioned by Charles that the Skinners move around.
Maybe in 1883 they were in Lemoyne and saw a easy target in a small town, would explain the deaths as they use various weapons, and the way they look is disgusting
we need more red dead high quality content creators, keep it up even if it’s just a silly lil play through… i love you british boy 🙏🏾
"However there is a giant snake- aH-"
Cool as a pickle man lmao
God that cougar scared me @8:55 “however there is a giant snake AHHHHH” 😂
Working on my 3rd play through & I never noted the gravestone markings & have never seen the dead python. You come out with some great stuff, Fizhy. Always entertaining, except when your runnin' your horse into trees & fences or shooting chickens. 😆
this was a really well made video Fizhy, thank you for filling the RDR community with amazing content and keep up the great work! i hope you are well
I love these videos. Made me restart the story for a more I’m depth play experience.
I JUST picked up red dead again knowing that nothing new will be coming (RIP) but these are really nice to listen to now that ive been playing again. Thank you for your hard work!
It was Gavin
That God damn bastard
Fact
I think it's a weathervane, but the metal pole on the Pleasance church roof has a design that to my mind resembles the Pagan symbology you touched on in your recent video on The Night Folk. Since there's a Pagan symbol painted on a tree nearby in the swamplands, maybe they practiced Paganism and that was seen as Satanism by other surrounding Christian communities. Maybe Pleasance is linked to the Night Folk & Paganism theory you had. Who knows.
love ur videos man, they’re always too quality :))
I love your videos, so comforting
Hey fizhy there is a mystery I have wondered about but haven’t seen anyone make a video on before. The diary in Compton’s stead mentions a runaway slave and escaped past Rhodes. There is a shack south of Rhodes that contains chains, a hidden photo of a black family and I think a capture request for a slave issued by the ascension plantation (Shady Belle). And there can be found a dead slave with neck brace along one of the beaches. I think these 3 things are related, that a slave of Shady Belle escaped and I think Compson was requested to capture the slave by the owner of shady belle. I think compson held the escaped slave in the shack and the slave hid his family photo there, eventually I think that slave escaped again and died along the beach
9:02 Am I the only person who was freaked out??!??
Im so glad you mentioned strange man. His videos are absolutely brilliant and underrated
Haven't actually played this game in a couple years, love these videos though. Completed the story when it came out.. Feeling like starting again!
So many mysteries gotta love em
More points that reinforce the Helltown theory: one of the most famous buildings from Helltown (and one of the few left standing today) is the barn, which looks fairly similar to the one in game. It was closed up for the longest time but has recently been opened. Also, the government purposefully burned down a few of the buildings in order to demolish them
Fr? Been wanting to visit for awhile but I feel like it'll be all gone by the time I get the chance
@@lullaby.for.arsonists7329 They took down the rest of the houses and whatnot in 2016, and the school bus has been gone for a while. Iirc, all that remains of note is the abandoned barn and church (which isn’t even the upside down cross church, that one is still in use.) There’s not much to see anymore. Little known fact: as it turns out, the government actually didn’t legally use eminent domain, and the residents were allowed to buy back their properties, but at that point they were already burned down. So basically, the government illegally kicked them out, burned their shit down, and told them they could buy their land back.
as long as you make rdr videos ima stay watching u do it like no other
Although I subscribed due to your amazing red dead videos, I’ll still be subscribed no matter what content as you’re a creator that deserves it! 🤠❤️ wishing you the best my man
I'm so glad you're re-visiting a bunch of these mysteries, the older videos were good but felt rushed.
love the RDR2 deep dives.
also, fun fact about Cholera, it's treated by giving the patient rest & clean drinking water if Pleasance was a Cholera camp everyone who died there would have had to contract the disease in the same day that patient zero did for them to all die at the same time. good theory but Idk how accurate it is.
Look up Cholera, rest and good drinking water was moot.
Cholera was a death sentence.
I think it was a bit of a Jonestown situation. Super religious, isolated, lots dying in one year. Maybe some drank the *1883 equivalent* of flavour aid?
True, but what is flavour aid? Wasn't it Kool-Aid??
@@caledonianamerican41 Nope, it cyanide laced Flavor Aid which is a knock off brand of Kool-Aid
@@christopherholt6930 Oh alright
The Aberdeen Pig Farm mass grave was probably the residents of Pleasance buried by the people living at the Aberdeen Pig Farm
Your videos are the reason I started replaying Red Dead Redemption 2
Fizhy, you’ve been on a damn good roll for the last few weeks dude!!! Thanks for putting in the hard work so we can get great content all the time dude; I really mean that. Also there’s this insanely creepy glitch that occurs when you encounter Agnes Dowd. If you haven’t heard about it I can post some videos and posts, but I’m guessing you already know about it lool. It’s really really creepy and maybe you could look into it and find out how to trigger it and what exactly is happening.
So this one is out of left field but hear me out. Lemoyne is in the Deep South, post civil war, with the klan and the Lemoyne raiders roving. The klan is basically inept so that leaves the raiders. Perhaps klan or raider activity forced a community of blacks out and into the area. In real life, the klan did use terror tactics for various reasons on anyone who wasn’t WASP after the civil war.
What if this is why Pleasance was founded? To get away from those guys and have a pleasant life away from them, hence the relative remoteness near the bayou. But as we see in the game, the klan is totally inept. But the lemoyne raiders aren’t (totally). Being it’s post civil war south and the raiders are either ex-confederate soldiers, or people duped into believing their cause, they could have attacked during the plague. It’s not the best theory, I know. But there are those facts, and the fact that we don’t know who settled Pleasance. Maybe it was settled for religious reasons, or perhaps to avoid racial persecution. But given the setting and the existence of the raiders, along with the idea of a plague or cholera epidemic, there is a probability this could have happened. But given that, the Cromwell theory you put up is really solid too. I just wanted to look at the idea of it being a local group that’s known to terrorize people in 1899 and has been around for the past 30 years or so in game.
You for real made me jump with that first little "However, there is a giant snake... Ahh!!!" Fakeout lmfaooooo!!! 🤣🤣🤣🐍
My theory is that a plague came to Pleasance and the plague turned them into the night folk. And they soon expanded into the army of night folk we know today. And the ones that died either killed each other with the influence of the plague.
RDR2 holds up so well, I'd say arguably it has more impact on the standard of stories in video games in particular then any other game in its' generation. Too bad the multiplayer never met the same potential as the single player did.
RDR 2010 had a fun multi-player. Maybe standards have changed since then? Don't know if it would hold up today.
To find out more about it you actually need to go Google Hell's town Ohio pleasance is actually based off it it's One of the most haunted places in America
Sometimes I forget youre talking about a game and get afraid 🙃 good videos ❤️
I love how strange man is a mostly reliable source when it comes to red dead redemption 2 and red dead redemption 1 mysteries and theories
In addition, IIRC, the Aberdeens preyed on visitors to their home, drugging them and then killing them. I don't see either of them leaving their home to kill others in another town, and risk getting the plague that destroyed Pleasance.
aged 10 & 8
Fizhy I doubt your see this but I want to thank you for pointing out the difference between satanists and devil worshippers a lot of people don't know it but there's a massive difference as a Satanist myself I greatly appreciate that love you video man I can't wait to see more
Peace and love brother. I'm a Pagan, but I've got respect for satanists and their ways. Hell, I know a few satanists that are all around nicer people than some Christians.
9:00 I just had a heart attack D:
Great vid, though, thanks for putting in the work!
Love your videos Fizhy! I don’t care if you re-visit the same topic 5 times again and again. Just keep pumping them out and I’ll keep watching!
I wonder if the survivors of pleasance (and their children) became the night folk.
Also the strange man used cholera in Armadillo, right? It wouldn't surprise me if he had something to do with the town's demise.
Ooh I like this theory!
I love these videos, they highlight how alive the worlds rockstar creates are
great explaination!
Another fantastic video mate👍👍👍