Why the Rank 1 Shen Always Takes Heal
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To add to what others are already saying, yes, this is me. Yes, i stream some of my games on Twitch.
The video got a lot of things right, but let me add some context:
-That example of me roaming cross the map from Top to Bot pre-lvl-6 was an outlier and not something i generally recommend, even if the points about scaling is true. I think i did it that specific game because a combination of 1) team was losing early 2) I had a bigger than normal crash while being healthy 3) I didn't see my Ally champs coming back from a deficit or staying safe until i could R. Anyway, it's generally better to play for yourself and take necessarily resets for Ruby crystals in the downtime, especially if you don't have TP early.
-For when I'm Mid lane I'd say the 'being a second jungler early on' is accurate, but for toplane my ultimate goal in early lane if I'm winning early (preferably with a solokill already) and got myself a good crash into reset is actually not to roam pre-6, but to create a freeze and zone enemy top from XP. Not necessarily to get myself ahead for later, but to make it into a 5v4 with enemy top 3 lvls behind the curve. Ofc I'm not looking to freeze forever since I eventually need to play for team (duh), but lvls 4-7 is primetime for this, and if you got a perfect freeze it can be more worth for the game to keep the enemy on 0 XP than to save botlane. Then you'd let someone die in bot while prioritsing R's mid and top jgl (unless your bot has Shutdown)
-The point about staying around for a 2nd play after already having R'd bot for example, before heading back top is very very true, and the reason for that is that you usually already commited to losing some plates/waves top, and while it stings to lose another by staying a bit, the difference isn't actually as big as the initial decision whether to R or not. If you got the chance to stick around with your jungler or ad/supp and dive the enemy ADC when they come back into lane after the 1st death on a dive (or catch them between towers) it's gonna completely warp the game. And even if it doesn't kill them, just chunking them and zoning them off for an extra wave of gold/xp (while you're losing the same top) is super worth it.
-As for Redemption use, you mentioned a lot of the small upsides like Vision and Using while dead, but the MAIN reason Redemption is so good on Shen is that Shen makes up for redemptions biggest weakness, namely that the ally might die so the heal doesn't have time to come in or they might flash/dash out of it. By always knowing you still got a huge shield, you can wait until very late (unless the enemy has obscene amounts of dmg available) in the fight where your carry has already flashed/dashed and enemy is truly commited before using Redemption, knowing your R will keep them alive for the heal to come in.
Closing comment about support items/heal in general:
The main ways I think about Shen is in terms of his strengths/weaknesses. Strengths: lvl 1-5 laning (using dragthrough Q's) and making any fight into a man advantage and winning it before enemy all joins. Shen's weakness lies in his scaling with gold (since he lacks AD scaling and doesn't have a kit like Ornn or Sion to frontline as a tank even with the same items), and his waveclear. This means he's fundamentally a weak splitpusher, even with his R in mind, since he can't push up waves if an enemy is there to match you, and you often won't be able to kill them at 2+ items even from ahead. So if that's the case, why not play lane well and build your individual lead as much as possible early on, but then switch buildpath (from bami, which is lane focused) into supportive items so you transition to the most useful role just as your champ would normally slowly start falling off. These items both synergize with what you're trying to do AND have a base value that's not linked to your terrible scaling.
Quick correction:
In the build-section, I saw Unending despair listed, and i never build that item, since it falls in the category of items that gets stronger the longer you're in a fight. I think items that give instavalue the first couple seconds of the fight makes a lot more sense, since Shen is all about making the fight into a 3v2, 4v3, 5v4 and winning before the last enemy joins, so the first couple seconds are key (items like: Redemp, Locket, Vow, Randuin, Moonstone (not 100% sure about this one but seems to work), Kaenic).
"So Shending, is it troll to build more aggro? I get bored of supporting"
-Rushing titanic from ahead still makes sense, because then you'll have 5-10 minutes of being rly strong with amazing waveclear to impact the game before enemies start scaling properly, but the longer the game goes, the worse carry items are gonna work for you, so at some point it's simply optimal to start building stuff like Randuin's (or redemp :p ). And don't go the Titanic route unless you're already ahead, because if not then you won't have that long window to carry with it before the other champs catch up and pass you scalingwise.
This need to be pinned
love you dude
The legends recognize shending and petu anywhere. Also lord shending, the Google doc you made on matchups is outdated but I still treat it as my bible ❤
Long time no see captain
@@rorschac009oo8 still on my browser 's favorites tab
Finally Shending Help is getting the recoginition he deserves. His methodological approach and commitment to RedempShen for multiple years has lead to the pristine gameplay Dobby highlights in this video. I would say Shending's biggest strength is the ability to always play towards his team's win condition, which is very rare compared to most Challengers who focus on playing to their personal win condition. Some of this is a result of our champion, but Shending takes it to another level.
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Oh here comes another legend ! I'm fan of your mid shen !
I love how you show respect to Shending🥰
wow
@@LoLDobbywow seeing all these legends in your comments!
Two legends, giving respect to each other 😌
River Shen!
rip petu beaten by 4 lp.
inc petu start taking heal exhaust with support build and go challenger in 3 week
Yeah but 21 games less
4 LP but a massive WR diff
More like Fck Petu 🤘
4 LP lower on a lower wr and less games means that petu is playing higher MMR games so assuming that's a newer account it was based on winstreaking through low elo which can give easier wins
Dobby : Don't try it on a whim
Me : Straight to ranked we go
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You just like me fr
He's not new. That is Shending Help
I know this person Xpetu mentioned them
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This is ShendingHelp who along with Xpetu are the best shen players in the world
Nice
I funnily enough stumbled upon this account when looking for builds Shens do nowadays, after seeing Xpetu's fav build. Really cool the way this guy uses Shen and how quickly his spikes are due to the build
Ps. Notice that when going mid vs a mage is better to go HOB since u'll obv not get much grasp value. Against meele mids u can ofc take Grasp as usual c:
Indeed
xPetu: idc, I'm going Grasp anyway 😂.
Edit: Nvm, Shending Help also goes Grasp into mages as seen at 4:14.
WHAT DID TWITCH SAY? @3:29
I'm here! haha
"nigga whats up?"
M T F K hahaha 😂
it's fine he has the N word pass
Shending Help goated
Indeed
Weekend is coming, a new lol dobby video - love it!
The name of this shen is just hilarious 😂
Thank you so much, waiting video about Shen for so longggg !!!
Glad to see videos of EUW players too, hope more come in the future
Excuse me, what did Twitch say at 3:30??
DOUBLE ADAPTIVE KRAFT
I came across a Shen player doing this in my D1/Master game. It was actually insane how much the shield was when he ult'd mid to late game. You could do it on an adc and they would survive a full burst combo.
I can imagine
That's just basic Shen things though 🤔. Level 16 R is huge unless you're playing full AD. Full tank shield is huge and full AP shield would allow to survive a whole teamfight if it could stay even after Shen TPs 😂.
Amazing stuff. I hope we will have a video on Shen mid technology as well.
Petu is the best button >>
If you ask petu im pretty sure he wouldn't call himself better
He always does shotouts to Shending, pretty sure they are good friends.
least selfless Shen main
Great Shen players like Shending Help (this guy) and xPetu aren't 100% selfless. They actually think before ulting. If they think ulting will result in a deficit of resources, they might not use it.
WHAT DID TWITCH SAY AT 3:30!
Very nice clips showing of redemption how it's not working xD
Hell yeah new loldobby
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How many games of a specific champ/player do you review for one video?
I love when my favorite character is on the big pictures.
Another toplane incident BigBrother
Shending Help and xPetu the goats
When I played shen I used to bring heal too. It just felt right, considering my main objective is to assist my teammates
the level of gameplay in this video is insane 7:34 great example
0:26 but how good did he play that one wow
Seeing this guy playing i wish so much that shen had the same feature as the mobile LoL, where he can target his allies with W and the sword go straight to them, making him a damn good sup
If we're gonna rely on heals and shields, Shouldn't we use Revitalize instead of Overgrowth to maximize its heal/shield value?
no lie, saw the title and thought it read "why the best shen takes halal"
great
Have you seen @segdal ‘s Lee sin top style?
Please do one about a crazy support main.
why bamii's cinder though when you don't build sunfire of of it ?
It might be a good idea to try and contact the players for example by sending them a friend request, then you might be able to get some of their input for the video
How do you find replays?
Shen.
I was a main a main shen in diamond but abandoned it for playing adc and i fall in gold elo... With this clip i will play shen again
Hail petu
Good video nice
Blue yuumi fr
His strat is to ult - redemption - locket - heal - and knight's vow the adc..
So much for climbing up from anywhere below emerald...
You don't know how happy I am to see a Vayne top player lose to a Shen player.
oh this is the video why i found a top shen with this build....
ik petu smilin rn
Glorified support champ
2:30 That minion Hard carry that kill
Wouldn't this work with Shen support?
You seem to have misspelled xPetu there :D
Doesn't dobby only do KR server videos? Am I missing something?
As a Shen main, I hate that I can't abuse this on lower ranks as teammates will continue to run away when you're ulting them.. and so I build a not selfless Shen every damn time
Shending Help the goat
"protects the president"... secs before leaving jhin lol
So this tech on babus stream and he was completely shocked.
7:31 the pantheon is Spear Shot !! :) (look kill anouncement)
0:19 I just noticed that 880LP in EUW is GM but 792LP in NA is Challenger 💀.
I swear Shen mains are like immovable statues in League community.
Counters: anything that can get a tower in the 20 secs your out of your lane: Trundle, Yorick, Fiora, Garen, Trynda...
bro what did Twitch said????
3:31 cmonBruh
Im surprised Xpetu is also consistently high rank on shen. Most ytbers spend more time on videos than grinding but he's serious!
no joke i almost forgot shen existed
anyone runnin garen rn? interestign to see some high elo try to make hi mwork. good vid btw
shen gaming
3:31 TWITCH CALM DOWN
I don't see Dorian's blade
Not entertained
Suggestion: 최현우 #KR1
Master ap Sejuani OTP
Thank you !
So this is the same style as janna top some time ago
This guy: beats xPetu by 4 LP
xPetu: 3:31
BROOOO 💀💀💀
Probably a set up queue with his mates till Challenger. You won’t ever climb solo playing support tank for some random SoloQ ADC. At challenger, teammates get more reliable.
3:30 What did just twich say? O_O
Well Peru wasn’t joking he is actually good on shen.
If he just kept on attacking Vayne instead of CSing or trying to space her, he would've won that fight easily. Genius my ass.
may work in korea/china where people have hands
Heal to dodge Q3, but Q flash auto...
Try finger, but whole 😏
He is petu's second secret account
Meh, imagine what he can do with Blade instead. Shen Dorans Blade Diff? Double Adaptive Power, Stack Grasp, Shield Bash, Cheap Shot. BOOM. 1 auto attack.
Crazy how Fiora absolutely destroys shen
Next video: Why riven shen
this only works when your adc is challenger and not a low elo feeder
Nah, I'd look really stupid doing this in my elo. Although it's a cool mechanics, just not on my games lol.
Never ask what twitch said at 3:30
3:00 he's basically a supp top and that's it. Not my type of gameplay.
DORANS BLADE
What the twitch say? 😳3:28
his name is 'whyShentakesheal' as well 😂
redempshen
Pls dobby kekseres euw katarina 80% wr in 600 lps, and yedaoshen talon
Remember kids, this wouldn't be possible without the help of overtuned tank dmg. :D
DORAN BLADE DIFF I CAN HEAR IT!!!!!!
must be nice to have a team with fingers and a working brain...
euw chall lobby is a nightmare , everyone starts feedmachine and never stop.
Usually 50+- kills in a every single game. Garbage region with clown playstyle. So yep this strategy can be good
You got a call from 2020, they want his video back.
Shendinghelp, he is a main shen top with heal and support items, nothing new.
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why not play support shen at that point
when are u going to make a video about the talon otp that dominates the korean server with 71% win rate tiii#iiii(I don t know he s real name)
Then you ADC kindly goes 0/5 by 10 mins
This is chemical