OTL Jason Collins Discussion Becomes Christianity Debate
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- Chris Broussard and LZ Granderson came on Outside the Lines to Discuss Collins' historic coming out today, but ended up debating the finer points of sin and what it means to be a "Christian."
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Chris Broussard is correct.
Daniel Parker it says in the bible to love and accept everyone and as far as criticism is concerned let God handle that instead Broussard does the one thing God specifically said not to do and you won't be in the kingdom of God until Jason Collins gets his opportunity first
blackstar15 Broussard also called out those who took part in premarital sex
Zechariah Cameron again your not supposed to do that because that's not you worry about you and your family don't worry about some nba player or some person having sex with some random chick it seems fitting for Chris Broussard to be employed by fox it seems fitting for skip bayless to be employed by fox because they love their god loving employees but trust me by saying this anyone who goes that far in any subject has something horrible in his closet ex Roy Moore has the ten commandments in his court steps it comes out that he is a child molester another example Donald Trump says Hillary Clinton messed with the Russians something that fox news still pushes for some ungodly reason it turns out he's in a middle of a shit storm with the Muller investigation do I agree with Jason Collins lifestyle no but do I understand him and want him to be loved and happy absolutely
ESPN knew what they where doing with this interview. Baited question. Broussard handled it cleanly. I like that he and LZ had an intellectual conversation on the subject. Something others on TH-cam are not able to handle. Though I agree with Mr Broussard, I am not angry, or bothered with LZ. They both have the right to their opinion, and that is ok.
Great job Chris
The Bible calls for EVERYONE TO REPENT of their sins first and foremost.(Matthew 3:2)(Acts 2: 38)
Amen- The Gospel Is Good News To sinners that are dead in their sins & need a way out
They wanted Chris Broussard's opinion and they got it. His only sin was giving his honest response. And no, I'm not a Christian.
I like that, repentance has to be a daily act, a lifestyle for the salvation of your soul. Amen
Broussard, good argument
The Bible is for all times, all seasons and all days. It never dies, it's God's Word!
Lol
People speak with reverence about the importance of the first amendment; but when you actually tell them the truth as you see it, they go bananas.
LZ said a whole lot of nothing
tell me you're homophobic without telling me you're homophobic
@@TheFiachralynch tell me you don’t have an original statement without telling me you don’t have an original statement
@@TheFiachralynch Lol ''homophobic'' we just throwing out terms now? LOL,hes right LZ said a whole lot of nothing.
Wus articulate and made sounds points...intelligent guy
Good job Chris standing your ground. You made God smile!
Fikru Ashenafi yeah I very seriously doubt that you can’t judge a soul according to the Bible and if you don’t believe me read your scriptures it will tell you so yea god wouldn’t be proud of Chris Broussard or anyone who thinks gays are less than them it will be him at the end of the day that will judge us
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@@Aokoebor you sound stupid and wrong
@@Aokoebor he never said gays were less than
you cant be a practicing homosexual and be a christian at the same time, its like oil and water they dont mix
..what about mayonnaise, that's a mixture of water and oil. Can gay and christianity mix like mayonnaise then?!
According to what culture? Current southern christian culture yes that is what it is generally viewed there
correct. It is a sin in the bible.
Shut the fuck up, bigot. If your fucking God actually did exist he would accept anyone how they were. God you people infuriate me
If you don't believe then , why does it bother you ? Thank you for being fould
1 Corinthians 6:9 NIV version Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor Idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
The old saying its tight but its right..
Thanks man been looking for this verse since forever
Chris B is a boss
LZ Granderson, even if the government recognizes gay marriage and gives you the same rights as heterosexuals in this country does not make it "right" in God's eyes. Our government doesn't define what marriage is, God does, and he clearly defines it in the bible as between a Man and a Woman There's no denying that. If you have sexual relations with a man it is still classified as a sin. Look, I'm not denying people having desires for their same gender, but just because it makes you feel good doesn't justify it as "right." LZ's last comments about faith are totally mis interpreted to justify HIS views. The Bible DOES paint a broad brush because it decrees us as moral creatures to live by a standard. Without the bible there is no way to justify morality.. This is what I believe, I hope you can respect that in love and we can find a way to work together to discover the Truth..
Brandon Well said...... You cant truly claim to be a christian and disagree with something like homosexuality (other sins etc.) it makes no sense, LZ is basically disagreeing with God. Now if LZ was living this lifestyle and openly admitting it is wrong and trying to repent that's different. But he's basically saying sorry God I interpret the bible differently than 90% of other christians and i think my lifestyle is right but i still believe in everything else you say lol makes no sense.
Exactly the government allows us to kill baby's that surely is not ok.
When all of you critics can tell us the point in your lives when you had to choose between being gay or straight, and us how you made that decision, please share. This never happens , and neither does our choice. If the choice was so easy to make ,don't you think that gay people would choose to be straight, rather than live a life that they know will be the hardest struggle in their life because of the pain , ridicule, and ostracism that goes along with that choice. Religion should never be used to judge us for our choice, there isn't one.And you only cherry pick the sins that affect others lifestyles, but leave out all the others sins like they mean any less. The bible and god is your belief system, but is not and never will be everyones.
Exactly
amen !!
thanks for the Sympathy.
When this was advised, the didn't know how to properly cook the shell fish/how to remove the internals etc. The clothes of different fabrics were more a of a status symbol, so clothes of the same fabric would be of higher quality, as well as fit/wash the same way after wear.
I just wish that all those people that hide behind the Bible actually read in depth, the Old Testament.
Amen chris
Live a bless life, conversation over.
That is a very good point.
How is he a christian and gay?
!!! Wow! Where do you teach?
That is a good observation... Although we should behave differently, you are right , in most cases Christians don't act much different than the rest of the world, and that is to our shame. We are all sinners, only Christ is sinless, the only difference is that he is in our corner.
Christians are different than everyone else in what we stand for, and who we believe in. Every other worldview says that heaven can be earned by living a good enough life (or no heaven at all).
....and there in lies the hypocrisy and the problem of organized religion.
I do a lot of reading which helps open your mind the world around us. Picking up a science book can do wonders.
Neither party is wrong. LZ and Chris said it best about engaging in meaningful, deep conversation. And you don't have to accept either viewpoint. Tolerance means just that. Being able to disagree, respectfully of course, with someone's differing veiw. Any hate speech in either direction is flat out wrong. The world we live in today needs more love.
Lz is wrong
I agree with Chris Broussard 100%. Coming out as gay in 2013/14 is not even remotely brave. Saying you're against gay marriage? Now that's brave.
True
That's dumb.
EXACTLY AMEN BROTHER
thanks for showing me that you could not directly debate with me using facts. It shows me that my opposition is not ready.
I hear you, couldn't agree with you more. I was a Christian myself for many years until I started to question the bible which lead me on a long road of hard research of bible history, science, and philosophy. Keep doing what you're doing. Peace.
I hope you sought the true answers instead of asking questions and giving yourself an answer that allows you to dismiss the Bible
People ask questions and pretend they’ve found some ideas that the Bible cannot answer without reading any commentaries and only using themselves as the standard
I wish you the best, but friend be careful because if you’re wrong then you’ve just rejected a God whom you knew of and His sacrifice as the gentle Lamb.
Be careful and be vigilant, look for THE truth not your truth,
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@@nicolo7507 wild
Well isn't that convenient? You get to pick and choose which parts of the Bible you follow and which ones you don't.
Hats off to Chris for not backing down to liberal pressure to be "politically correct"
How far we’ve come in 8 years, imagine Mike Wallace tweeting that now!
I was just thinking that. Even Broussards comments is shocking compared to what you hear today.
Crazy !!
I agree that we have to serve God even though we are all sinners and we need to understand God's law and God's power that he gives us everyday and we as a country need to stop making our own laws that aren't right. And on a side note I have a you tube channel type in Russell Mills May 22, 2017.
It's not that it's not for them. It's something that requires us to be changing every day. Anybody trying to stay wallowing in their sin each and every day and celebrate it needs to re-evaluate their relationship with the Lord.
Nutin wrong wit having ya own faith but everybody dnt believe wut u believe
It thoroughly grinds my gears that that community tries to base everything around their sexuality and belief system!
So true. They are going to the wrong Source if they want a stamp on sin. I can't believe someone can say they believe the Bible yet be an open homosexual. It does leave one shaking their head.
Why do Christians call it "forcing one's beliefs on society." As Christians, IF we truly believe that the Gospel is THE TRUTH, and we truly love people, (as we say we do) then we would BOLDLY proclaim the truth so that individuals can be saved. NO ONE gets saved by a forced message, but a BOLD TRUTHFUL presentation of the grace and saving/sanctifying power of Jesus Christ MUST be preached, lest we as Christians just become another USELESS religion.
"I gotta do what a brotha needs to do" Ew. we all know what he was talking about
That was funny ASF low-key
@@yolonzachambers5734 no, it really wasn't.
@@doc8013 it was funny to me
@@yolonzachambers5734 tell me why. I bet you can't...
@@doc8013 His delivery of the statement, basically saying he can't get married but that's not going to prevent him from having relations which I understand.
amen
I like and agree with the truth that Chris Broussard shared. It is not easy to hear the truth but we are all accountable to the Lord and even those that dont agree are and will see come the day of judgement. May more know and accept the truth of Jesus Christ.
Agree.
Chris speaking all facts
If someone openly and repeatedly works on the Sabbath would you consider them to be a Christian?
Romans 14
Absolutely not
Good question
@@mikekendrick4586 here's some more clarity on this topic, when you get a chance read Romans 14 and Mark 2:27
@@andyedouard2888 try mat.12:8
Lk.6:5 more clarity
Look this interviews represents the debate you're going to hear until JESUS Himself put an end to it. I agree with Chris Bro on his stance on what The Bible says on the matter. LZ need to get a check up from the neck up cause JESUS ain't tellin him that he is a Christian living like he is. JESUS said "male and female", "man and wife" in regards gender relationship.
jesus isn't real, even if he was, he didn't write the bible. 4 "Disciples" did. People who blindly follow the bible need to do some serious research. Why is your religion so special and important and the hundreds of other religions are not?
@@TheFiachralynch the mere fact that you say He isn’t real proves in fact that He IS real. Read John 10:10 and Acts 2:19….repent and give your life to Christ
@@DoronBond What? hahah there is literally no logic to that. The person may have been real but he is not the son of God. Please answer me this though, why is your religion correct and every other religion is not??
@@TheFiachralynch Read John 14:6.
@@TheFiachralynchalot of other religions dont accept homosexuality either so what the are you talking about
LZ made the point of not being able to have premarital sex with his partner as impossible to prevent therefore he sins but he completely disregards the fact that be homosexual is also a sin. You cannot pick and choose which commandments you want to follow and call yourself a Christian
it is 100% circumstantial
That is true. Yet he was Savior. What is it he came to save sinners from??
I agree
That was kind of the point I was trying to make. Read my comment in the context of the comment I was replying to.
I heard a lot of LZ said is what he wanted vice what God wants.
Why should anyone care about what any of the proposed gods supposedly wants. How about proving the god exist, then we can talk about what it wants.
God has created us and wants us to show faith in like a respect for him himself, why wouldn’t u care what the person wanted who created us in a world that is getting more evil
@@joshstrudwick4337 You weren't created by some super being who "loves you." You are here because your parents had sex.
Right, so the act of properly deshelling and preparing an oyster and then eating the thing would no longer be in conflict with Leviticus 11:9-12 which calls it an abomination 4 times?
Jesus prophicied that in the last days people man will say they follow him and are of him, but they aren't. Case in point, Jason Collins and LZ Granderson.
It's crazy cus both of them are stand up good pple...and most of these so called religious pple stealing from they congregations and having sex wit kids smh damn shame
What are you talking about? I'm right here baby!
1Corinthians 6:9-11 sums it up nicely! No matter what UN-repentant sin you are involved in!
Yahshua walked and broke bread with sinners
Chris B was never asked about his opinion about Lebrons' home situation. He was specifically asked how he felt about Jason Collins' "coming out of the closet"
That's right stand on GOD'S word💯💯💯💯
@7:37 some ain’t right bout that smile 🤣
In fact the opposite is often true. The Bible (and its God) in fact states exactly what we prideful humans do NOT want to hear and that which we do NOT want to be true. We don't want to be told that anything we are doing is wrong and has consequences.
Facts
I dnt think pple mind being held accountable...jus not from an imaginary story and a man written fantasy book
@@michaelshelton7196 Oh, but we DO mind being held accountable. But about being so held from a fictional creation, I certainly agree. Fortunately the Bible is the opposite of what you describe.
@Hop righttt cus u were there 1000 years ago wen them white men wrote It so u know Lol smh... if i Wana read fiction will get a graphic novel Lol
@@michaelshelton7196 No, because it has the ring of truth, is authenticated by predictive prophecy, and has changed millions of lives from purposeless despair to truthful hope. If Jewish people are "white", ok. Am I? I don't dock them for that at all. But "was blind, but now I see". Cheers.
it's not confusion it's the way they were born.
We are ALL Born in SIN.
Amen! @Ben Ten
Mike Wallace had nothing to apologize for
Who created Energy?? LOL
The term Atheist in the original greek is Atheos.
A=without
Theos=God
Atheos=without God
Over the years people have slightly changed the terminology to mean different things.
I wish Jason was around when I was in high school.
What?
The bible also talks about talking bushes and pi equaling 3.
how can lz say his a christian and not accept what his constitution which is the Bible says i don't understand
Except he didn't say it isn't right for him. He said it wasn't right for Jason Collins. That is standing in judgement of another human being, an action that Jesus (not Paul or Leviticus) explicitly forbids.
Faith is belief without evidence.
Remember how Jesus described the road to heaven and how many people will get in? Yeah.
Ok I see.
The dude on the phone is very deceived. What he and many people don't realize is that when reading and interpreting the Bible, individuals are to do so within the context of what the bible and culture are saying. We are not to interpret it how we choose and then run with it. We are to interpret it how it is meant to be interpreted and either accept and apply it to our lives or reject it. In Matthew 16:24-26, it reads, "... Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?..." We are to DAILY die to ourselves, our will, our wants, and our desires, pick up our cross, and put God's will, desires, wants and HIS purpose for our lives in its place. (Notice it doesn't say if we feel like it?!) We were bought at a price. That price was Jesus on the cross. When you interpret the bible based on your feelings, how it suits you, and your needs, well, this is how we get so many crazy insane religions and cults. In Jeremiah 17:9-10, it says,
"The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? "I the Lord search the heart and examine the mind, to reward each person according to their conduct, according to what their deeds deserve."
I watch so many people make it about whether an individual is sexually attracted to the opposite sex or same-sex, and it is so much more than that. The heart of the issue is every one of us wants to be our own god, and we want to do things our way, and how dare anyone (especially God) tell us anything. So, we deceive ourselves and suppress the Truth to do Evil. We church it up and make it sound good, and we make it sound innocent, but in reality, we are headed right towards the cliff.
Long live the S.E.C.
I don't know?
If you stole something that would make you a Christian who steals.
A Christian is a person that believes in The Christ.
So you do and agree with all that the bible says. Wow you are one strong person. The Christ I serve give me something that man can't. Grace.
Faith without work is dead you have to do more than just believe… anyone who does wrong in Christianity is required to repent if he going to walk with God’s approval and seek salvation … and that’s with any sin whether it’s homosexuality or stealing etc.,, You much repent by means of acknowledging your wrong doing and try to correct your life style … not ignore wrong and continue to do the wrong act over and over as if it’s right and you don’t care to change it nor act as if it’s wrong
If you are a juror on a trial you are not deciding between guilty and innocent. If you feel the trial provided sufficient evidence to show the defendant guilty you vote guilty. If the trial failed to convince you they are guilty you vote not guilty.
An atheist is someone who does not believe there is sufficient evidence to prove the existence of any god or gods, nothing more, nothing less.
I usually am not a fan of Chris but I absolutely agree with him. If you are openly rebelling against what the bible says, which is the basic instructions before leaving earth, then how can you be a Christian. Falling short of the standard is different than openly saying 'hey, i'm going to do what i want or i feel is right and i'm still a christian and God is still going to give me my inheritance. Remember Moses didn't make it to the promise land because of disobedience..We're not different.
Just believing is not going to save you. The Bible says that even the demons believe and they tremble with fear. So believing is good but faith without obedience isn't going to get you to the promise land. Like I said, we all fall short but there is a DISTINCT difference between making a mistake and perpetually making mistakes and then believing it's not even a mistake anymore. That's the issue with homosexuality and any other sin that we identify ourselves with. This life is not about us but
O I didn't see what you were responding to, he brought up the civil war...so I guess I can see your point. But I would still say, that just because there is not much written evidence doesn't mean much...it was so long ago that writing was rare, and of those written records most would have been destroyed by now.
You're right. You can't pick and choose, and some people do only focus on one sin. But what Christianity really teaches is that all those things that you listed are wrong, and that all of us are guilty of sin punishable by death. That is where Jesus comes in. He died for everyones sins. You have to accept it and repent of your sins though. Just as Chris Broussard said, if you live in unrepented sin, then you are not really a Christian.
That does not determine whether someone is a Christian or not. The only way to be a Christian is to ask Jesus to save you from your sins. Period. Keeping the sabbath was part of the "old" law before Jesus Rose from the dead and ascended into Heaven. At that moment the "old" law had been fulfilled and is no longer needed to be kept to be saved. As I said the only way to be saved is to call on the Lord and ask him to forgive you from your sins and save you.
Granderson is moving the goalposts. He knows 100% that Broussard was not talking about it’s a sin for gay men to have sex outside of gay marriage.
His point is, a man having sex with a man is a sin, and if a man married a man that is an abomination. Sun is sin, and there are no gay Christians.
The only other religion that believes Jesus existed is Islam, and that's because they'd heard tales of it from Christian missionaries.
How can anyone read 1 Corinthians 6:9 and Romans 1 and say you are a Homosexual and claim to be a believer in Christ? I wonder how any Christians can accept that and see these scriptures unless you ignore them totally or just outright be in rebellion?
Help help I'm being oppressed!
Well that's what getting your hands nailed on the cross would do to somebody.
nor those who cut their sideburns, nor those playing football with pigskin, nor those who pull out/masturbate, nor those who get tattoos, nor those who wear blended fabrics, nor those who divorce, nor those who eat shellfish...
wait, we live in a modern society and those laws are null and void? matthew 5:17-20... please; if you want to claim something, claim all of it.
If the God of heaven doesn't tolerate the sin of homosexuality then why should Christians except it. God is not trying to make you comfortable in your sin.
When some one seeking and building a relationship with the, HEAVENLY FATHER;he will reveal what's not like of him,GOD has rules and regulations,that MAN and WOMAN must abide by if they regni with the HEAVENLY FATHER one day So GOD gives humans a choice
lol wow him saying hes Christian is like me saying I do meth but I still follow jesus.
@Broussard🙏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿🔥💣🔥🎤🎤🎤
God love the sinners but not the sin,God is love and love all of us and repentance is the key ,remember you cannot outsmart God.repent from your heart and your sins daily . One more thing, either you are with God and follow him or against him there is nothing in the middle.
What is wrong with loving the other sex? We all find different people attractive, the fact to use religion to dehumanize someone and steal their dignity is appalling. Love all people and peace on earth~♡
O okay, I can respect that.
I want you to know I am a Christian, but I do not try to force my beliefs on society, I do have my beliefs though. I would also like to mention I have actually had way more atheists try to force their beliefs on me then Christians (that might seem weird since I am a Christian, but remember there are different types). Also I would like mention that certain types of Christians are worse than others. So don't think we are all bad :)
Hope you have a good day!
God said there is none that is God. Read the bible
Exactly just disagree people don't do them wrong like most people.
Just wait till CP3 comes out...it will be huge news!
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If you're going against something that the Bible teaches, than you're not a Christian. If I said I was a Christian, but stole from people and wasn't sorry, would I really be a Christian? No.
Other than the multitude of bible books that all talk about him?
I know there were many books out there that were rejected as bible books that mention him, but here is a site (atheistapologist, it won't let me type in full page) that says even most atheist believe he was a real man, also a simple wikipedia search will say most scholars believe he was a real person (I know wikipedia can be edited, but it has sources down botton to back it up).
Never said there is no God. I consider myself a Deist/Pantheist. I believe God gave us logic and reason unlike revealed religions such as Christianity that relies on faith (belief). God to me is the energy all around us. Without this energy we wouldn't be alive. Christianity is based on ancient myths similar to the Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Babylonian myths of it's time. Do your research, read the bible and other ancient books and you will see for yourself.