To see it all written out as well as listening, just helps to confirm it as the masterpiece it is. Complex, yet accessible. A beautiful clean jazz tone that suits the musical mood perfectly. Fantastic video, thanks.
Glad you enjoy it. My transcriptions are all done by ear - I listen along, usually many times, slowing sections down when needed, and I write it in MuseScore
are those notes (on the tab) in the right actual playing positions that pat used or are they just your guessings' if so..!? but if they, they are tracing paper bang on the button, why no left hand fingerings or pick direction indicators on the Traditional notation stave to show the direction of the legato, it would help to know which finger starts the legato and whether the pick is going up or down on certain stave notes this transcription would be quite useless if you took away the tablature as there are no real position markings to tell or hints so nothing can be accurately played, why not write in the header play these notes in the style of Pat Metheny if you can.. looks nice and neat though must have been a bitch to get the scrolling page just so so that they nearly correspond with tune.. but a waste as stopping and starting really ruined yours great effort as guessing where a note was to the tab was really hard work, pointless in the end, spent more time on this moan letter. so not a real help.. maybe better to just pick a interesting section and break it down all the possible ways it could have been played in the tab format with no stupid scrolling's just the section and the lick played at various speed's like they do in the guitar techniques magazine.
I see no point in commenting such a letter of moaning on something which is provided to you for free without any obligations (it's not that he offers this transcription for sale, thus turning it on a product and turning you in a consumer of the product). He is providing the video, do what you want with it. If it is not of use move on and feel free to put in all the effort yourself and do it better according to your own standard. To me, this is already more than I'd need to study this and honestly, if you need that much guidance than I think this song just isn't for you to play to begin with. The tabs are probably auto-generated and I don't see the issue with that (it's the case most of the time). The point is: how you translate the notes to the fretboard positions is completely personal preference. Nobody is going to figure out the actual positions Metheny used for studio recordings. I doubt Metheny would even be able to do that himself when confronted with this score because it's all just made up in the heat of the moment. And frankly, it is completely irrelevant because in the end it is about the improvisational ideas that make Metheny him and what represents the value in this transcription. The value for you should be in discovering the ways how you can play and approach this. That is just you studying music and practicing your instrument you know…
@@santibanks it's not free when its time consuming and it's my time I'm wasting could be figuring out other tunes or bits from other tunes...not free at all that said I agree on most of what you brought up in your letter ..i think the hint in mine was it was supposed to be some sort of a lesson the tab and the notation a help to understand and a how too get the style into muscle memory but it wasn't it was as you said. just generated and a total waste. and I was hoping it wasn't hoping some cleaver guitarist had done the heavy lifting. and was spilling the beans on Pat's technique and for (real) free.. it's like this stupid machine that change my words but but if you don't check the script and ok it..yes it put another BUT..the machine is a low algorithm AI and the one that deciphered the tune is just the same. you know the guy is no musician or he would have noticed it was gibberish the tab and the stave useless..i know I can't play guitar like Metheny but give me some time and I'll get a little taste of him there was a piece I learned years ago by Patrick figured out by guitar techniques magazine took me an age to get just bits that I abandoned in the end still got the damn magazine somewhere I visit it now and again that tab oh the tune is A Map of the World now that is a real tablature
@@oldbladderhorn Nobody is forcing you to focus on this song nor on this particular video. It is your own choice. Just from the thumbnail alone you would be able to see what the transcription includes and doesn't. Now imagine how time consuming it is to just rant and how you are wasting your time here in the comment section. You could have figured out a few bars of a different tune (or even figured out how to play the first few bars of this tune) the time you've spent here…
@@oldbladderhorn Having played through some of it by now, I just don't agree that this tab is completely unusable and a waste of time. As with any tab of a solo, you might pick phrases in a different way as described but again, that is totally personal preference and personal playing style. I totally found phrases I would pick differently myself because it would work better for me personally (due to lack of technique or whatever) but if you play it as it is tabbed out here, it will work. Tabs are a guide for that group of guitarists who have no clue how to actually read music (and truth is, many guitarists and bass players indeed can't). This tab will get you there from what I see, having played through some of it. What you are looking for doesn't really exist for the reasons I mentioned earlier, but again ask yourself the question why you would want to adopt the technique idiosyncrasies of a certain player. In the case of Pat, he has admitted himself that his technique is horrible. He just does what he needs to do to get the notes out and that might not always the most "efficient" way to play or phrase something on the fretboard. Copying his playing technique does not allow you to phrase or generate ideas like he does. Again, it is in the notes he plays, not on which places on the fretboard he picks them. Or to phrase it differently: it seems that his phrasing is not affected or informed by his technique as it does for some players where the choice of notes is the result of the technical abilities they have (certainly true for beginners). He just makes it work, probably because he could play anything anyways. The only general guide when it comes to Metheny is that he is less of a "boxed position" player, he appears to move more vertically. Over the years (compare his early years to his playing here or how he plays now) it seems he also picks his notes more instead of hammering. And what he has mentioned is that the choices he makes regarding positions on the neck is that he basically wants to play as much above the 12th as possible because it gives more string length to vibrate and (in his opinion) thus more sustain. If you notice him playing on the GR300 guitar synth (like in Are you going with me?), he taps that octave switch on the synth a lot so that the synth plays an octave higher but he can still remain in the above 12th fret register. In the end, he is about the sound and he practices an inhuman amount of hours to get what he wants. His standard is insanely high, the solo here represent his experiences up till the point of recording somewhere in 1991/1992 (which is already vastly more experience than any of us will ever have in our lifetimes). As a sidenote, I doubt AI plays a part here in the tab generation. Many programs offer it for over two decades now. MLM wasn't around at the time. As a different sidenote, I think the value of studying Metheny's solos is not really the ability to play his solos. They of course represent some level of proficiency so you'll get that out of them anyways (but any high caliber player offers that). The real magic is understanding his melodic development and how he makes the ideas he generate work. The magic in Metheny's playing is a source for study for any kind of instrument. Horn players, synth players have as much to take from this as guitarists do. It is also fairly well known that Metheny's influences are mostly horn players (Parker, Coltrane, Coleman, Davis). His lines have a lot in common with them.
@@santibanks yes I agree with what you've said .. this type of sound is impossible to really tab.. pat's phrasing is very hard to get right just by ear and the tab is a distraction from the figuring out the trying to get just the essence of his technique I don't even bother to learn the tune. there's so much to try figure to find that common thread that flavour.. maybe it is a sax thing as you said and Allen Holdsworth said the same (Parker, Coltrane, Coleman, Davis). maybe. I've abandoned it, pat' style for now..yeah will have a listen to the Byrd or is it bird? yes go to the source.
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That song has such enchanting chords. I know a lot of jazz musicians aren’t heavy on the titles, but the title is so appropriate for this.
100% agree on both points
To see it all written out as well as listening, just helps to confirm it as the masterpiece it is. Complex, yet accessible. A beautiful clean jazz tone that suits the musical mood perfectly.
Fantastic video, thanks.
Thanks for including the tab. Might use this for an ensemble audition at Berklee this semester.
Man that's awesome, hope it goes well 🙏
Incredible work! Always thankful for any Pat Metheny transcriptions!
Thank you!
Oh wow! Thank you for this.
God bless you for this ❤
Brilliant!
Textbook Metheny lines.
Even better ! Sublime playing !
Sweet solo that is, thanks so much!
And thank you for coming by - for sure it's an awesome solo
To the end of the world synth solo? My fav
I’m a beginner and this is amazing to me. Both the playing and the transcription. Is this done by ear/hand or does a computer program assist?
Glad you enjoy it. My transcriptions are all done by ear - I listen along, usually many times, slowing sections down when needed, and I write it in MuseScore
@@JazzWithYourHead I luv you for this!
pdf?nice job
Thank you! Drop me an email at jazzwithyourhead@gmail.com for a pdf
Good job man - Thanks! But who the hell (besides Pat) is going to play that?
😂
Me.
are those notes (on the tab) in the right actual playing positions
that pat used or are they just your guessings'
if so..!? but if they, they are tracing paper bang on the button,
why no left hand fingerings or pick direction indicators on
the Traditional notation stave
to show the direction of the legato, it would help to know which finger starts the legato
and whether the pick is going up or down on certain stave notes
this transcription would be quite useless if you took away the tablature
as there are no real position markings to tell or hints so nothing can be
accurately played, why not write in the header play these notes in the
style of Pat Metheny if you can.. looks nice and neat though
must have been a bitch to get the scrolling page just so so that they
nearly correspond with tune.. but a waste as stopping and starting
really ruined yours great effort as guessing where a note was to the tab
was really hard work, pointless in the end, spent more time on this moan letter.
so not a real help.. maybe better to just pick a interesting section
and break it down all the possible ways it could have been played in
the tab format with no stupid scrolling's just the section and the lick
played at various speed's like they do in the guitar techniques magazine.
I see no point in commenting such a letter of moaning on something which is provided to you for free without any obligations (it's not that he offers this transcription for sale, thus turning it on a product and turning you in a consumer of the product). He is providing the video, do what you want with it. If it is not of use move on and feel free to put in all the effort yourself and do it better according to your own standard.
To me, this is already more than I'd need to study this and honestly, if you need that much guidance than I think this song just isn't for you to play to begin with.
The tabs are probably auto-generated and I don't see the issue with that (it's the case most of the time). The point is: how you translate the notes to the fretboard positions is completely personal preference. Nobody is going to figure out the actual positions Metheny used for studio recordings. I doubt Metheny would even be able to do that himself when confronted with this score because it's all just made up in the heat of the moment. And frankly, it is completely irrelevant because in the end it is about the improvisational ideas that make Metheny him and what represents the value in this transcription. The value for you should be in discovering the ways how you can play and approach this. That is just you studying music and practicing your instrument you know…
@@santibanks it's not free when its time consuming and it's my time I'm wasting
could be figuring out other tunes or
bits from other tunes...not free at all
that said I agree on most of what you
brought up in your letter ..i think the
hint in mine was it was supposed to
be some sort of a lesson the tab and
the notation a help to understand
and a how too get the style into muscle
memory but it wasn't it was as you said.
just generated and a total waste.
and I was hoping it wasn't
hoping some cleaver guitarist
had done the heavy lifting.
and was spilling the beans
on Pat's technique and for
(real) free..
it's like this stupid machine
that change my words
but but if you don't check the
script and ok it..yes it put another
BUT..the machine is a low algorithm
AI and the one that deciphered the
tune is just the same.
you know the guy is no musician
or he would have noticed it was
gibberish the tab and the stave
useless..i know I can't play guitar
like Metheny but give me some
time and I'll get a little taste of him
there was a piece I learned years ago
by Patrick figured out by guitar techniques
magazine took me an age to get just bits
that I abandoned in the end still got the damn
magazine somewhere I visit it now and again
that tab oh the tune is A Map of the World
now that is a real tablature
@@oldbladderhorn Nobody is forcing you to focus on this song nor on this particular video. It is your own choice. Just from the thumbnail alone you would be able to see what the transcription includes and doesn't. Now imagine how time consuming it is to just rant and how you are wasting your time here in the comment section. You could have figured out a few bars of a different tune (or even figured out how to play the first few bars of this tune) the time you've spent here…
@@oldbladderhorn Having played through some of it by now, I just don't agree that this tab is completely unusable and a waste of time. As with any tab of a solo, you might pick phrases in a different way as described but again, that is totally personal preference and personal playing style. I totally found phrases I would pick differently myself because it would work better for me personally (due to lack of technique or whatever) but if you play it as it is tabbed out here, it will work. Tabs are a guide for that group of guitarists who have no clue how to actually read music (and truth is, many guitarists and bass players indeed can't). This tab will get you there from what I see, having played through some of it.
What you are looking for doesn't really exist for the reasons I mentioned earlier, but again ask yourself the question why you would want to adopt the technique idiosyncrasies of a certain player. In the case of Pat, he has admitted himself that his technique is horrible. He just does what he needs to do to get the notes out and that might not always the most "efficient" way to play or phrase something on the fretboard. Copying his playing technique does not allow you to phrase or generate ideas like he does. Again, it is in the notes he plays, not on which places on the fretboard he picks them. Or to phrase it differently: it seems that his phrasing is not affected or informed by his technique as it does for some players where the choice of notes is the result of the technical abilities they have (certainly true for beginners). He just makes it work, probably because he could play anything anyways. The only general guide when it comes to Metheny is that he is less of a "boxed position" player, he appears to move more vertically. Over the years (compare his early years to his playing here or how he plays now) it seems he also picks his notes more instead of hammering. And what he has mentioned is that the choices he makes regarding positions on the neck is that he basically wants to play as much above the 12th as possible because it gives more string length to vibrate and (in his opinion) thus more sustain. If you notice him playing on the GR300 guitar synth (like in Are you going with me?), he taps that octave switch on the synth a lot so that the synth plays an octave higher but he can still remain in the above 12th fret register. In the end, he is about the sound and he practices an inhuman amount of hours to get what he wants. His standard is insanely high, the solo here represent his experiences up till the point of recording somewhere in 1991/1992 (which is already vastly more experience than any of us will ever have in our lifetimes).
As a sidenote, I doubt AI plays a part here in the tab generation. Many programs offer it for over two decades now. MLM wasn't around at the time. As a different sidenote, I think the value of studying Metheny's solos is not really the ability to play his solos. They of course represent some level of proficiency so you'll get that out of them anyways (but any high caliber player offers that). The real magic is understanding his melodic development and how he makes the ideas he generate work. The magic in Metheny's playing is a source for study for any kind of instrument. Horn players, synth players have as much to take from this as guitarists do. It is also fairly well known that Metheny's influences are mostly horn players (Parker, Coltrane, Coleman, Davis). His lines have a lot in common with them.
@@santibanks
yes I agree with what you've said .. this type of sound is impossible to really tab..
pat's phrasing is very hard to get right
just by ear and the tab is a distraction
from the figuring out the trying to get
just the essence of his technique
I don't even bother to learn the tune.
there's so much to try figure to find
that common thread that flavour..
maybe it is a sax thing as you said
and Allen Holdsworth said the same
(Parker, Coltrane, Coleman, Davis).
maybe. I've abandoned it, pat' style
for now..yeah will have a listen to the
Byrd or is it bird? yes go to the source.
Pat Metheny must be one of the most boring jazz guitarists of all time, what a dull and boring solo
yeah man hate that guy
:( I liked it 😞
Hahahahahaha ! Sad !
jealousy... envy... LOL!
Might take you the 355 hours or more to play it like he does. And a multitude of that to come up with it